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Does anyone train 6-7 days a week? Is it possible to handle it? Or doing something like this is one of the stupid things to do becouse overtraining etc. etc.? :-)
I don't mean for example one day only for biceps, next day only for triceps etc. You know... something like:
P/P/L/Repeat or Legs/Shouders+Triceps/Back/Chest+Biceps/Repeat...
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PED users are fine to do that. Natties will burst into flames and die.
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Mods Please move to training board
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Currently doing 6x a week.
- legs
- arms
- delts/traps
- legs
- back
- chest
So far, it isn't bad. I usually do 6x a week until I feel really beat up and then drop back to 4-5x for a few weeks.
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Mods Please move to training board
Mods are only moving thread 4 to 5 days a week. I think today is a rest day.
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Fullbody 5-6 days per week. No problem as long as you give the body time to adapt to training that way and don't try to destroy yourself in the gym.
Muscles feel constantly pumped and the body feels ready to go all the time. You don't get the same type of stiff feeling as you easily do when training muscle groups once a week.
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to those who think gear is soooo magical, don't forget it does not boost CNS recovery. So... Get off your soap box you skinny ass bitches.
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Fullbody 5-6 days per week. No problem as long as you give the body time to adapt to training that way and don't try to destroy yourself in the gym.
Muscles feel constantly pumped and the body feels ready to go all the time. You don't get the same type of stiff feeling as you easily do when training muscle groups once a week.
FUCKIN A M E N!
It took me long time to realise this, but once I did, my body feel fucking great all the time! 7x week is the shit! U can even make it twice/day as long as you lower the intensity!
Dont even know who the fuck came up with the idea "one muscle once a weak, tear yourself apart feeling sore 4 days after every workout"...stupid shit!
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still training 2-3 times per day everyday
haven't taken a day off since sept 24th . . .
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still training 2-3 times per day everyday
haven't taken a day off since sept 24th . . .
Do you have a job?
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I wish I could but I like to go all out on my workouts so it wouldn't do me any good for my natural self.
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Fullbody 5-6 days per week. No problem as long as you give the body time to adapt to training that way and don't try to destroy yourself in the gym.
Muscles feel constantly pumped and the body feels ready to go all the time. You don't get the same type of stiff feeling as you easily do when training muscle groups once a week.
Ive always liked this approach and i wish more people would try it. I know some guys who have great physiques and work as movers. They are training 5 days a week while at work by moving furniture and mattresses and never even step foot in a gym. Granted, they may not ever be able to build a Phil Heath physique unless they target specific body parts in a gym but in all reality, most of us don't want that anyways. I myself think 4-5 full body workouts a week are just fine and plenty sufficient. The trick is dialing in the diet.
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FUCKIN A M E N!
It took me long time to realise this, but once I did, my body feel fucking great all the time! 7x week is the shit! U can even make it twice/day as long as you lower the intensity!
Dont even know who the fuck came up with the idea "one muscle once a weak, tear yourself apart feeling sore 4 days after every workout"...stupid shit!
Surely you will call me a fag for asking pics, but I wanna see if this reaps anything impressive. So.... Balls in your court to defend this.
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3xdayx7 days a week = 21 times per week is what i recommend.
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still training 2-3 times per day everyday
haven't taken a day off since sept 24th . . .
u look great,,i wonder if u returned to the 'norm'1 workout per day and 5 days maxx...
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when I train legs, they're in no shape whatsoever to go again the next day. Wonder what kind of pussy ass Jane Fonda you jokers do to train them so often.
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Surely you will call me a fag for asking pics, but I wanna see if this reaps anything impressive. So.... Balls in your court to defend this.
It works really well. I have found it's the best way to train as a natural. I owned a gym for many years and that's how I trained a bunch of people. Usually mon-fri fullbody. If they wanted to workout during the weekend we would add another fullbody workout or just focus on lagging muscle groups on the saturday workout.
For people who had time/wanted to get in shape quickly/contest prep etc I would often have them train 2x/day (not necessarily everyday).
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I lift five days a week, and try to do some sort semi-"training" cardio the other two days.
The answer is obviously "yes"; imagine two workouts:
1. One set of 10 reps squats each day, 50% max.
2. 10,000 reps squats each day, 75% max.
Obviously, you probably couldn't even do workout number 2 a single day, let alone seven days a week. Workout one, on the other hand, wouldn't even cause you to break a sweat.
The real question is how all the different parameters work together. People always ask about one parameter at a time (# of days, # of sets / reps, amount of food, rest periods, etc.) but the answer to these "how much" is meaningless without knowing the rest of the equation.
You have to look at the big picture. Unfortunately, this is hard, and even harder to convey over a forum. Hence most training discussion (even irl) is mostly pointless. Your best bet is finding someone who is:
a) similar to you
b) successful
c) willing to answer your questions
and observing them / grilling them for as much info as possible. Otherwise known as a "coach" I guess...
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Mon - Chest/Back/Calves
Tuesday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Chest/Back/Calves
Friday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Saturday - Legs
Sunday - Off
Training a body part once a week is useless.
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Maybe take a look at Dan John's "even easier strength" program:
http://danjohn.net/2011/06/even-easier-strength-perform-better-notes/
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Mon - Chest/Back/Calves
Tuesday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Chest/Back/Calves
Friday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Saturday - Legs
Sunday - Off
Training a body part once a week is useless.
Of COURSE IT IS... And is why the best physiques on the planet were built doing such splits. Lol at that statement faily Mc Fail...
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I find I can hit a muscle hard every 5 days. tried 4 but no too little time. every 5-6 day per muscle works. with enough good rest and food.
with roids and especially gh maybe you could more frequently. not sure if it helps with CNS though like someone mentioned.
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Maybe take a look at Dan John's "even easier strength" program:
http://danjohn.net/2011/06/even-easier-strength-perform-better-notes/
Dan is a strength guy. I think this thread is for bodybuilding purposes. But I like Dan John's stuff.
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Mods Please move to training board
Why not do it yourself?
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Of COURSE IT IS... And is why the best physiques on the planet were built doing such splits. Lol at that statement faily Mc Fail...
If you have the time it's still great split. Morning/Evening
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If you have the time it's still great split. Morning/Evening
I've tried, I really tried to increase my frequency and my cns just rejects it.
AT best, I can sneak in some antagonist training when doing bi's or tri's but even then, I'm very sensitive to it...
But I know many can do good with different splits so I try to keep an open mind. But the op is doing 7 full body's here, hmm.... How is that possible??? Or maybe I'm just a "juiced up pussy" as the natty's love to point out with no guts. Either way, still better than most so I know my way is best for me...
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I like the 7-day split. I actually called up the calendar people and requested they adopt this 7-day thing. It was years back, most of yall probably don't remember the 10 day calendar. That just didn't work for my delts and pecs.
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I like the 7-day split. I actually called up the calendar people and requested they adopt this 7-day thing. It was years back, most of yall probably don't remember the 10 day calendar. That just didn't work for my delts and pecs.
Out of instinct, I had my own 10 day split before but went back to my original as I always do.... I regress when I slip out of it.
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Mon - Chest/Back/Calves
Tuesday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Chest/Back/Calves
Friday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Saturday - Legs
Sunday - Off
Training a body part once a week is useless.
Coach, Do you have a sample workout that you do (or are doing)? Exercises, sets, reps, etc...
(Dont type it up, only if you already have it handy).
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I like the 7-day split. I actually called up the calendar people and requested they adopt this 7-day thing. It was years back, most of yall probably don't remember the 10 day calendar. That just didn't work for my delts and pecs.
Thanks man, I certainly prefer the 7 day week. They can fuck themselves with that 10 day metric calendar.
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Thanks man, I certainly prefer the 7 day week. They can fuck themselves with that 10 day metric calendar.
I was thinking of you when I put in that request. I think of you often, your polite nature and consistent posting charm don't go unnoticed.
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Coach, Do you have a sample workout that you do (or are doing)? Exercises, sets, reps, etc...
(Dont type it up, only if you already have it handy).
Yes, I have a quite a few training templates that I've designed.
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Just a general rule of thumb. If you're training heavy with low sets and relatively low reps once a week will certainly work. There is over lap in any training. An example of this is in any pressing movement the triceps are being worked hard. In any pulling movements the biceps. Leg get worked on back day when you do deads or power cleans. I could go on. Body parts are never truly hit just once a week on a once a week split.
I think if you are training with volume with a lot of sets and reps with moderate weight then twice or three times a week will work since you're working more for muscular endurance.
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That shit's for pussies. I train 8, even 9 days a week sometimes.
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I'm going to start training 49 times a week. Seven times a day, bitches.
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I'm going to start training 49 times a week. Seven times a day, bitches.
Gotta start payin' your dues, man.
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Gotta start payin' your dues, man.
I'm not sure if I'll be able to hack it. I trained back and bi's today and now I'm lying in bed.
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Currently training once maybe twice per week and thats basically all I can handle
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Just a general rule of thumb. If you're training heavy with low sets and relatively low reps once a week will certainly work. There is over lap in any training. An example of this is in any pressing movement the triceps are being worked hard. In any pulling movements the biceps. Leg get worked on back day when you do deads or power cleans. I could go on. Body parts are never truly hit just once a week on a once a week split.
I think if you are training with volume with a lot of sets and reps with moderate weight then twice or three times a week will work since you're working more for muscular endurance.
Once a week (per body part) can definitely work and as you say there is usually some overlap in those type of routines.
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why are people so hooked on working everything every 7 days. sure a week is 7 days doesnt mean it's optimal for your muscles
try some new things see what works maybe ::)
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A big part of getting results as a recreational lifter is getting your ass into the gym on consistent basis, training hard enough using a routine that you enjoy and believe in. The exact routine is secondary.
If you are some type of elite athlete then you have to be prepared to do things (at least during specific time periods) that you don't necessarily enjoy.
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why are people so hooked on working everything every 7 days. sure a week is 7 days doesnt mean it's optimal for your muscles
try some new things see what works maybe ::)
Working inside of a seven day week gives me predictability as I have hard commitments several times a week and have to work around them.
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i think nattys should train about 50 times a week and do the whole body everyday,i recommend high inteensity training with that,supersets,drop sets,negatives ect.nattys should do a zero protien diet for best gains and eat alot of sugery and fatty,greasy foods to really get tight. its the only way guys ,trust me i know
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Mike Mentzer consolidation routine. One working set every 2 weeks.
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i think nattys should train about 50 times a week and do the whole body everyday,i recommend high inteensity training with that,supersets,drop sets,negatives ect.nattys should do a zero protien diet for best gains and eat alot of sugery and fatty,greasy foods to really get tight. its the only way guys ,trust me i know
Thanks man. I'll give this a try for a few months and get back to you with my results.
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Mike Mentzer consolidation routine. One working set every 2 weeks.
I did it, and did not lose mass... Got fairly strong. Had several phone conversations with the man actually.
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I did it, and did not lose mass... Got fairly strong. Had several phone conversations with the man actually.
Right, but those early 90s routines where just shit. In the early 80s his recommendations where still reasonable but after he went completely nuts and then came back (and started to train people) his recommendations where shit.
Usually what happened with the super low HIT routines where that initially you get a peaking effect from the lowered volume but as a long term training strategy it's complete shit. Some of the earlier HIT routines where ok but then things got silly.
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The time course for elevated muscle protein synthesis following heavy resistance exercise.
MacDougall JD1, Gibala MJ, Tarnopolsky MA, MacDonald JR, Interisano SA, Yarasheski KE.
Author information
Abstract
It has been shown that muscle protein synthetic rate (MPS) is elevated in humans by 50% at 4 hrs following a bout of heavy resistance training, and by 109% at 24 hrs following training. This study further examined the time course for elevated muscle protein synthesis by examining its rate at 36 hrs following a training session. Six healthy young men performed 12 sets of 6- to 12-RM elbow flexion exercises with one arm while the opposite arm served as a control. MPS was calculated from the in vivo rate of incorporation of L-[1,2-13C2] leucine into biceps brachii of both arms using the primed constant infusion technique over 11 hrs. At an average time of 36 hrs postexercise, MPS in the exercised arm had returned to within 14% of the control arm value, the difference being nonsignificant. It is concluded that following a bout of heavy resistance training, muscle protein synthesis increases rapidly, is more than double at 24 hrs, and thereafter declines rapidly so that at 36 hrs it has almost returned to baseline.
Muscle protein synthesis is nearly back to normal at 36 hours after training.
So every two days training the same body part should be optimal.
The muscle will be in a near constant state of protein synthesis.
If you only train once per week, then 2/3 of the week there's no muscle building occurring, wasting valuable muscle building time.
I believe Ronnie Coleman trained body parts twice per week, but there was a lot of overlapping exercises so some muscles got stimulated 3 or 4 times per week.
Sure it is. Now how about you log off the forum and go see how well that theory works!!!
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monday abs (sit up)
tuesday biceps (preacher curls)
wed quads / harmstrings (leg curl)
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friday
sat back/lats (pull ups)
sunday chest/triceps (dips)
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I did it, and did not lose mass... Got fairly strong. Had several phone conversations with the man actually.
what price did you guys agree upon for you to be his schmoe??
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Why do people think muscle recovery runs on a 7 day cycle? ::)
it says so in Flex magazine. Can't go wrong with that
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I've trained this way many times.
I'm doing it now in fact, half way into the second week.
I did squats this morning, midday I'm doing chest, shoulders, triceps, and in the evening back, biceps. Repeat in two days.
I'm recovering well and making great gains, squat is up 5 kg already. In the first squat workout I did 8 reps with my starting weight. 6 workouts later I did 10 reps with 5 kg added to the bar this morning. In two days I add another 2.5 kg and see how many reps I get.
If your train hard, legs especially, no way you can go hard, back as well. I can see it working for a beginner who can't generate much intensity into sets. Avanded guys do not add weight like that week after week or we'd all be benching 700lbs for reps...
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The old school guys used to do full body workouts 3 times per week.
This was back in the day of no to little steroids, maybe some dianabol if they were lucky.
Supposed natural Leroy Colbert build this body with full body 3 times per week.
(http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/leroy_colbert.jpg)
that guy is not natural though
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The old school guys used to do full body workouts 3 times per week.
This was back in the day of no to little steroids, maybe some dianabol if they were lucky.
Supposed natural Leroy Colbert build this body with full body 3 times per week.
(http://nattyornot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/leroy_colbert.jpg)
guys like Sergio were known to take dbals by the HANDFUL, so depends how you define "a little gear" but you old guys love to defend those guys that it was all hard work and shit and the drugs had no impact on the old school phyisques. Wake the hell up man, making a total fool of yourself...
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I've been training over 15 years.
I'm doing this routine after a 3 month cut so gaining back some lost strength.
I'm doing low volume, only two work sets of squats. In the first week was 1 set. I might increase to 3 sets depending on progress and recovery.
The fact is muscles recover much faster than you think.
Look at how elite olympic weightlifters train. Some teams such as the Bulgarians max out on lifts multiple times per day, every day, 7 days a week, in order to peak for a comp. Why don't you tell them that it's too much.
could care less how they trained as they look like shit. So you been a beginner for 15 years. I see... NO worries, soon you will be generating intensity that warrants more time off...
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guys like Sergio were known to take dbals by the HANDFUL, so depends how you define "a little gear" but you old guys love to defend those guys that it was all hard work and shit and the drugs had no impact on the old school phyisques. Wake the hell up man, making a total fool of yourself...
i agree,guys like steve reeves,bill pearl,sergio ect used steroids(dbol) ,they called them TISSUE DRUGS BACK THEN
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I try to get to within one rep of failure in the main lifts. Sometimes I miscalculate and hit failure. I don't do negatives or forced reps as not really needed when training so frequently. I'm not that into DOMS, walking around like a cripple.
If I trained the squat once per week I estimate it would have taken around a month to make these gains vs 1.5 weeks of more frequent training, hobbling around with DOMS for half a week.
It makes sense, I'm hitting the muscle more often, they are in a constant state of protein synthesis, just need to give it enough calories, protein and 48 hours rest.
With once a week per bodypart, there will be a period of the week where the muscle is not growing.
I only do the once a week per body part style of training to maintain muscle mass, like when cutting.
True. After say 5 days it deflates, lol! But... I did all I could to fit all in a shorter split and it just does not work. I've been very open to trying odd splits but go back to my original love...
All the best in this, hope it brings you gains!!!
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i agree,guys like steve reeves,bill pearl,sergio ect used steroids(dbol) ,they called them TISSUE DRUGS BACK THEN
Gotta be careful droping that name as some real die hard fan boys come to rescue his "innocence of roid usage" lol!!! Oh dear lord...
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a.m. fasted cardio
p.m. fasted training
WFT, when do you eat?
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This thread is dying for the return of Galeniko or no one.
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WFT, when do you eat?
I saw that too, lol...
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This thread is dying for the return of Galeniko or no one.
Wonder what Gal is up to.
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Good thing cartilage has an infinite lifespan otherwise you'd risk being crippled with arthritis from training too hard and too often. ::)
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Yes, I have a quite a few training templates that I've designed.
Can you share your current one? If not wanting to post, you can PM me... Very rare on this board that I would take training tips from anyone (but a few)...
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Gotta be careful droping that name as some real die hard fan boys come to rescue his "innocence of roid usage" lol!!! Oh dear lord...
Still, the compounds were NOTHING compared to what's out there today in terms of potency.
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Still, the compounds were NOTHING compared to what's out there today in terms of potency.
yet people claim ALL THE TIME the drugs were so much better back then and now the UG stuff is crap! Would still have been cool to see those guys geared up with some tren though...
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yet people claim ALL THE TIME the drugs were so much better back then and now the UG stuff is crap! Would still have been cool to see those guys geared up with some tren though...
I agree it would have. Always wondered what type of physique that would create, because I really do believe there was less reliability on the drugs and more on heavy weight lifting movements and diet.
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I agree it would have. Always wondered what type of physique that would create, because I really do believe there was less reliability on the drugs and more on heavy weight lifting movements and diet.
This!!!!
But diet is much more sophisticated now I find. The info is there, but are they applying it is what i wonder or is it just the mega drugs making for such watery physiques now?
Could always argue the food was not full of chemical shit either... GMO galore now... I think they also used less, it's only normal guys use more as long as not too many guys are dropping left and right, seems safe, right?
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While I believe that lifting with a higher frequency can be beneficial, short-term protein synthesis studies don't give the whole picture. You can't necessarily extrapolate that into long-term gains. There are other mechanisms to consider too, for example satellite cell activation.
Also certain people seem to think that just the frequency in itself will be 'magic' but if you are only doing 2-3 sets per bodypart/ FB workout I doubt your gains will be any better (on average) than blasting the muscle once a week with a moderate volume split routine. Because the overall weekly training load won't be much different(in simple terms for example compare 5x2 vs 1x10), if anything the once a week frequency will be superior for growth at that level of weekly volume (strength in specific exercises might be a bit different). To get the most of high(er) frequency your total volume needs to be pushed up (at some point) beyond what you would achieve via a 1-2/week frequency.
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i remember when i was 12 or so,i lifted with the ole 3 days a week/whole body workout till i was 15 or so.once i joined diamond gym i started watching and learning about more advanced type of training methods, i switched to a 3 on and 1 off,
pecs-tris-monday
back-bis-tuesday
legs-delts-wed
off-rest day-thur
repeat mondays workout on friday and so on. it worked great and stayed with that for 2 years or so,then i started experimenting with training 1 bodypart a day and training 5 days in a row before taking a rest day. im a huge believer in the more advanced and bigger a person gets the less he should train and the more he should rest, when he does train its short,brutal and intense though.when a person starts out lifting they will grow pretty much on any routine cause their bodys aint used to the stress on the muscles and will get bigger and stronger regardless,as u get bigger and stronger u must adjust your workouts or else a person will hit a sticking point
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i remember when i was 12 or so,i lifted with the ole 3 days a week/whole body workout till i was 15 or so.once i joined diamond gym i started watching and learning about more advanced type of training methods, i switched to a 3 on and 1 off,
pecs-tris-monday
back-bis-tuesday
legs-delts-wed
off-rest day-thur
repeat mondays workout on friday and so on. it worked great and stayed with that for 2 years or so,then i started experimenting with training 1 bodypart a day and training 5 days in a row before taking a rest day. im a huge believer in the more advanced and bigger a person gets the less he should train and the more he should rest, when he does train its short,brutal and intense though.when a person starts out lifting they will grow pretty much on any routine cause their bodys aint used to the stress on the muscles and will get bigger and stronger regardless,as u get bigger and stronger u must adjust your workouts or else a person will hit a sticking point
this...
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How about listening to your body?
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How about listening to your body?
Fuck that. My body is a crybaby. I have to slap it around.
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Fuck that. My body is a crybaby. I have to slap it around.
same here man,ive all i did was listen to my body in be in bed 24/7 and train 1hr a week :D,my bodys always telling me its tired.thats where the mental side of me understands the difference between needing a rest once in awhile from training and just being pure lazy
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Fuck that. My body is a crybaby. I have to slap it around.
agreed..everyday when I wake up, my brain says "lets go"...my body then answers "fuck you".
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Fuck that. My body is a crybaby. I have to slap it around.
So you hear your body saying "I'm a crybaby" and as a response you 'slap it around'? Well, that's listing to your body as well :D
agreed..everyday when I wake up, my brain says "lets go"...my body then answers "fuck you".
Being black explains that situation very well...
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one big meal in the evening.
used to be every other day. now every day.
Are you a lion? Seriously, if Anabolichalo hadn't lost his mind, he would be all over this "one big meal" thing with his rapturous love of all things feline predator.
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Don't foresee ever going back to doing muscle groups less then twice a week.
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one big meal in the evening.
used to be every other day. now every day.
believe it or not i got lean as hell doing that back in 99,i would eat a huge lunch of 12 meatballs with some grated cheese on them and wouldnt eat again till next day at lunch. after a month or so i lost about 23 or more lbs
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How about listening to your body?
This! Sometimes I can do a lot more in the gym than I might not be able to do on another day, but it all depends on different variables, food, sleep, etc. Screw using those bs "programs" word for word, you have to use what works for you personally because everyone responds differently.
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Alright, party due to this thread I have decided to lift every day until my body tells me I need a rest day. I've finished day 8 in a row and I'm looking forward to shoulders tomorrow.
Four day split: chest/tris, back/bis, legs, shoulders
To the OP, I've talked to Tbombz and as a reward for starting this thread he has agreed to suck your cock.
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Alright, party due to this thread I have decided to lift every day until my body tells me I need a rest day. I've finished day 8 in a row and I'm looking forward to shoulders tomorrow.
Four day split: chest/tris, back/bis, legs, shoulders
To the OP, I've talked to Tbombz and as a reward for starting this thread he has agreed to suck your cock.
you'll be burnt out by next week.....but I'll see how you make out....then i'll try myself...keep us posted every two days or so....let us know how you're feeling, what you're eating and if your motivation is lagging...also give us an idea of your recovery
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Alright, party due to this thread I have decided to lift every day until my body tells me I need a rest day. I've finished day 8 in a row and I'm looking forward to shoulders tomorrow.
Four day split: chest/tris, back/bis, legs, shoulders
To the OP, I've talked to Tbombz and as a reward for starting this thread he has agreed to suck your cock.
I need a rest day just for reading this post.
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you'll be burnt out by next week.....but I'll see how you make out....then i'll try myself...keep us posted every two days or so....let us know how you're feeling, what you're eating and if your motivation is lagging...also give us an idea of your recovery
Part of the reason I'm doing it is I will be away from the weights for a week for Christmas related foolishness and I want to need the recovery time.
When I return I'll get back to the same thing, only take a day off if the thought of lifting seems shitty.
I'll report how it's going.
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Part of the reason I'm doing it is I will be away from the weights for a week for Christmas related foolishness and I want to need the recovery time.
When I return I'll get back to the same thing, only take a day off if the thought of lifting seems shitty.
I'll report how it's going.
cool
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Been applying no one principles for a few months now with minor tweaks, and I am very pleased with the results. I am getting much leaner and have more muscle size.
My routine:
chest, shoulders and tries.
Back, bi, and abs
Legs, traps and cardio
Train each muscle for about 15 sets.
5-10 seconds max rests between sets (it seems like a huge super set)
No rest (been going straight for 3 weeks now). Only take a rest when I really can't move.
Forget the weight shit and ego lifting, you will have much more intensity and remain injury-free.
Ideally I want to squeeze the 3 days split into 2 or maybe 1 (no one method) but I am enjoying this routine so much and I am very satisfied with the gains that I am still giving it a go!
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"CNS recovery" oh brother
"Don't train incorrectly or you'll fry the CNS" oh brother
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"CNS recovery" oh brother
"Don't train incorrectly or you'll fry the CNS" oh brother
Trolling in overdrive I see..
Someone who trains in real life would understand this. NOt some fucktard who just clacks away on a keyboard talking about it...
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Trolling in overdrive I see..
Someone who trains in real life would understand this. NOt some fucktard who just clacks away on a keyboard talking about it...
You must be huge and jacked with all this advanced knowledge :D
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You must be huge and jacked with all this advanced knowledge :D
it's easy to train hard but hard to train smart.
Hope that's not too advanced for you to understand.
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Mon - Chest/Back/Calves
Tuesday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Chest/Back/Calves
Friday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Saturday - Legs
Sunday - Off
Training a body part once a week is useless.
Any suggestions for exercises and sets/reps using free-weights?
Thanks.
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Not ideal. But whatever makes you happy. I don't have the energy, and 10 months out of the year I don't have the time, being in a doctoral program with household responsibilities as well.
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"CNS recovery" oh brother
"Don't train incorrectly or you'll fry the CNS" oh brother
If ever there was a reason for Gal to come out of retirement, this thread is it.
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my new training routine in the winter months is geared towards training hard and holding on to my muscle,then in march change my diet around to very low/zero carbs and focus on training lighter and super strict form and mold/chisel myself.at 50 im smart enough to realize that for me to try to get bigger is not a good move,im prolly gonna get injured training to get get bigger cause im gonna have to go heavier. im not ahuge guy but im not a total wimp either so i figure ill just try to chisel what i have and workout alittle lighter,super strict form and diet really intense to get where i want,and that is a nice,chiseled,hard as a rock build
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"CNS recovery" oh brother
"Don't train incorrectly or you'll fry the CNS" oh brother
"Well, you know, it depends.. everybody is different"
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you'll be burnt out by next week.....but I'll see how you make out....then i'll try myself...keep us posted every two days or so....let us know how you're feeling, what you're eating and if your motivation is lagging...also give us an idea of your recovery
Eh, nonsense. Sometimes I've trained for weeks straight with no breaks. Granted, Ive always had a decent diet. Back in the day people used to train 6x per week all the time. Now all of a sudden if you train more than 5x per week you're over training. Who comes up with this shit? :-\
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Trolling in overdrive I see..
Someone who trains in real life would understand this. NOt some fucktard who just clacks away on a keyboard talking about it...
i did experiance CNS burnout in my younger days,i was training a double split 7 days a week and was natural,after 1 month i was sick all the time,diarrea,just wiped the fuck out 24/7 and my resting heart rate was off the charts it was so high in the morning when i woke up. i didnt even want to train anymore to be honest. a neurologist told me that i burned out my adrenals and needed a break for 3 weeks and relax, he did some test on me to come to that conclusion.i was also doing cardio everyday on top of that,my training was brutal also,im talking forced reps on every set,negatives ect
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my new training routine in the winter months is geared towards training hard and holding on to my muscle,then in march change my diet around to very low/zero carbs and focus on training lighter and super strict form and mold/chisel myself.at 50 im smart enough to realize that for me to try to get bigger is not a good move,im prolly gonna get injured training to get get bigger cause im gonna have to go heavier. im not ahuge guy but im not a total wimp either so i figure ill just try to chisel what i have and workout alittle lighter,super strict form and diet really intense to get where i want,and that is a nice,chiseled,hard as a rock build
this....
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Eh, nonsense. Sometimes I've trained for weeks straight with no breaks. Granted, Ive always had a decent diet. Back in the day people used to train 6x per week all the time. Now all of a sudden if you train more than 5x per week you're over training. Who comes up with this shit? :-\
theres no way you can have a job and train that much...LOL..unless you have a home gym?
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theres no way you can have a job and train that much...LOL..unless you have a home gym?
I have no job and a home gym. Stay at home dad.
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i just got back from my sons school,he wasnt feeling well and i almost lost it on some fat ass teacher who kept telling me he doesnt look sick, i told her mind her own business and leave us alone.hes sneazing and has a tempeture,even the nurse said hes sick. i mumbled(fat ass) as i walked away and she turned around and made a noise with her mouth :D
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I have no job and a home gym. Stay at home dad.
That is awesome my friend....you are living the dream.....when I was laid off for nine months I was in the gym everyday, sometimes twice a day and was able to play with my kids, go pick them up from school and help them with homework....it was the best time of my life!
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Eh, nonsense. Sometimes I've trained for weeks straight with no breaks. Granted, Ive always had a decent diet. Back in the day people used to train 6x per week all the time. Now all of a sudden if you train more than 5x per week you're over training. Who comes up with this shit? :-\
People who make progress. Intensity and frequency are strongly affected by each other. Once you tap into your upper intensity levels, it can drain you like you have no idea. "No idea" being key words, key words that describe you in every post you make in regards to training and real life experience.
Good day to you Mega stupid stinkin' troll.
Ritch
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i just got back from my sons school,he wasnt feeling well and i almost lost it on some fat ass teacher who kept telling me he doesnt look sick, i told her mind her own business and leave us alone.hes sneazing and has a tempeture,even the nurse said hes sick. i mumbled(fat ass) as i walked away and she turned around and made a noise with her mouth :D
Haha :D
Nice job shaming that fat whale gracie
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theres no way you can have a job and train that much...LOL..unless you have a home gym?
I have a home gym and still struggle with the time.
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i did experiance CNS burnout in my younger days,i was training a double split 7 days a week and was natural,after 1 month i was sick all the time,diarrea,just wiped the fuck out 24/7 and my resting heart rate was off the charts it was so high in the morning when i woke up. i didnt even want to train anymore to be honest. a neurologist told me that i burned out my adrenals and needed a break for 3 weeks and relax, he did some test on me to come to that conclusion.i was also doing cardio everyday on top of that,my training was brutal also,im talking forced reps on every set,negatives ect
Many true symptoms here of overtraining. A thread on the topic is overdue. 3 weeks is tough to sit out. I lose a a lb a day when I take time off like clockwork.
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I used to train 7 days a week and even did stretches of 7 days a week twice a day......it didn't last for me. Life happens, priorities change....not everyone opens their own gym or personal trains or sets up a home gym or is passionate about a life of bb preparation and competition. If you are then great.
When family and careers kick into high gear most just do their best to train as regularly as possible. Some weeks it's 5 days, some weeks it's 2 days, some weeks it's no days.
The group of folks that are lifelong, hardcore bbs is so small that as compared to the majority it wouldn't be felt if it suddenly vanished.....might not even be noticed. That's not a slight either....it just is.
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I used to train 7 days a week and even did stretches of 7 days a week twice a day......it didn't last for me. Life happens, priorities change....not everyone opens their own gym or personal trains or sets up a home gym or is passionate about a life of bb preparation and competition. If you are then great.
When family and careers kick into high gear most just do their best to train as regularly as possible. Some weeks it's 5 days, some weeks it's 2 days, some weeks it's no days.
The group of folks that are lifelong, hardcore bbs is so small that as compared to the majority it wouldn't be felt if it suddenly vanished.....might not even be noticed. That's not a slight either....it just is.
very good post,ive been there and know exactly what u mean.thats why when i have the time i try to train as much as possible,6 days a week,this way if i have some busy work weeks and can only make it 2 days it balances out alittle
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very good post,ive been there and know exactly what u mean.thats why when i have the time i try to train as much as possible,6 days a week,this way if i have some busy work weeks and can only make it 2 days it balances out alittle
For the majority of us that's all we can do.
I have stretches today of 5-6 days a week....good solid training.
I have others where I'm lucky to go once or twice a week for a month or two and I just do my best.
If I had my way I'd train all the time, but today there's more than me in my lifestyle.
There are stretches today where I train at 4:30AM and others where it's right after work each day....just depends.
I used to take to heart those that insisted on being all hardcore and would give me the ole, "You find a way....you always make time....it's not easy....if it were easy everyone would do it.....that's what separates us!". ;D ::) Super duper.....been there, done that and preached it.
LOL! Today I've accepted that things are different, but I try to keep training as regular as possible. Some months are great, some are lackluster.....I don't beat myself up....I let bodybuilders do the bodybuilding.
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For the majority of us that's all we can do.
I have stretches today of 5-6 days a week....good solid training.
I have others where I'm lucky to go once or twice a week for a month or two and I just do my best.
If I had my way I'd train all the time, but today there's more than me in my lifestyle.
There are stretches today where I train at 4:30AM and others where it's right after work each day....just depends.
I used to take to heart those that insisted on being all hardcore and would give me the ole, "You find a way....you always make time....it's not easy....if it were easy everyone would do it.....that's what separates us!". ;D ::) Super duper.....been there, done that and preached it.
LOL! Today I've accepted that things are different, but I try to keep training as regular as possible. Some months are great, some are lackluster.....I don't beat myself up....I let bodybuilders do the bodybuilding.
to be honest ive went weeks where i only was able to train 2 times,i dont get bent out of shape,lol,no pun intended,i just realize that im not gonna fall apart and lose all my muscle cause of that,i go with the flow and try not to take it to hard on myself
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Many true symptoms here of overtraining. A thread on the topic is overdue. 3 weeks is tough to sit out. I lose a a lb a day when I take time off like clockwork.
Haha :D Get real you imbecile.
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For the majority of us that's all we can do.
I have stretches today of 5-6 days a week....good solid training.
I have others where I'm lucky to go once or twice a week for a month or two and I just do my best.
If I had my way I'd train all the time, but today there's more than me in my lifestyle.
There are stretches today where I train at 4:30AM and others where it's right after work each day....just depends.
I used to take to heart those that insisted on being all hardcore and would give me the ole, "You find a way....you always make time....it's not easy....if it were easy everyone would do it.....that's what separates us!". ;D ::) Super duper.....been there, done that and preached it.
LOL! Today I've accepted that things are different, but I try to keep training as regular as possible. Some months are great, some are lackluster.....I don't beat myself up....I let bodybuilders do the bodybuilding.
good post
not being able to exercise in some fashion 5-6 days a week would give me a meltdown at this point in my life, but i'm making progress. moving from the "young gracie bjj" to "wise old man of steel" end of the spectrum, slowly but surely, i guess.
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Haha :D Get real you imbecile.
Real. Like you, you mean?
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Haha :D Get real you imbecile.
I lose 5 pounds every time I take a morning shit.
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theres no way you can have a job and train that much...LOL..unless you have a home gym?
Nope, do not have a home gym. I've trained that much with a job. Though, I have rather flexible hours with my job, depending on the week/day.
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People who make progress. Intensity and frequency are strongly affected by each other. Once you tap into your upper intensity levels, it can drain you like you have no idea. "No idea" being key words, key words that describe you in every post you make in regards to training and real life experience.
Good day to you Mega stupid stinkin' troll.
Ritch
haha, whatever you say, Big Ritch. :D :D
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haha, whatever you say, Big Ritch. :D :D
Words of a punk who has no idea what to say.
Looks like it's time for you to go stand in the corner bud...
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I lift 3 times per week for 30 minutes max.
It's largely enough to build any type of body.
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Words of a punk who has no idea what to say.
Looks like it's time for you to go stand in the corner bud...
haha, whatever you say Big Rich.
And no, it has nothing to do with not knowing what to say. But I am not doing to debate/argue (whatever you want to call it) with someone who has to rely on personal attacks.
I have no problem saying something back when I know the conversation is going to be an actual back-and-forth, instead of just name calling. That gets old, except with goodrum.
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haha, whatever you say Big Rich.
And no, it has nothing to do with not knowing what to say. But I am not doing to debate/argue (whatever you want to call it) with someone who has to rely on personal attacks.
I have no problem saying something back when I know the conversation is going to be an actual back-and-forth, instead of just name calling. That gets old, except with goodrum.
Gotcha. Because you never attack people here, never...
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Gotcha. Because you never attack people here, never...
Rarely. A very select few, like Goodrum or shizzo, who really feed off of that negative attention. I think it actually empowers them.
When I am trying to have a serious conversation, I try to avoid ad hominem attacks.
As for training 6-7x per week, i guess that all depends on a lot of factors. Id be hard pressed to say it could never be done. Even Coach agrees that you can train that much, as long as its done appropriately.
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Rarely. A very select few, like Goodrum or shizzo, who really feed off of that negative attention. I think it actually empowers them.
When I am trying to have a serious conversation, I try to avoid ad hominem attacks.
As for training 6-7x per week, i guess that all depends on a lot of factors. Id be hard pressed to say it could never be done. Even Coach agrees that you can train that much, as long as its done appropriately.
Then how is it I see you being a complete turd in most threads? Your tone here is cool, serious and I can respect that. But in other threads? Not so sure...
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Lately I've been training every other day or every third day doing a full body workout. Works just fine for me. I lift pretty intense and doing 3 sets on each body part I'm done in about an hour and a half. I think way too many people overthink this. Just lift as often as you can and use some intensity. Unless you are competing there's no reason to beat yourself up over this.
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Maxing out on the squat nearly everyday for a month.
I'm sure his CNS is fried. ::)
damn, i saw his CNS through his skin and it was FRIED. Looked like a fried egg. He's going to need to be in the hospital for at least 7 weeks with a totally fried CNS. Not to mention suffering the severe psychological damage of a fried CNS.
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Maxing out on the squat nearly everyday for a month.
I'm sure his CNS is fried. ::)
yet has as much mas as 12 year old girl
STUNNING example, love it...
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yet has as much mas as 12 year old girl
STUNNING example, love it...
I must have missed the link to your 525 squat, can you post it again?
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yet has as much mas as 12 year old girl
STUNNING example, love it...
But the fact that his weight on the bar kept increasing, despite training every day, is impressive. By some people standards, he is overtraining and should not have made any gains.
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I must have missed the link to your 525 squat, can you post it again?
Not training for strength man. The guy is small, could care less about his numbers. Shirmp would not even look big in clothes.
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Currently doing 6x a week.
- legs
- arms
- delts/traps
- legs
- back
- chest
So far, it isn't bad. I usually do 6x a week until I feel really beat up and then drop back to 4-5x for a few weeks.
Ideal once a week per body part routine. Keep pumpin'
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But the fact that his weight on the bar kept increasing, despite training every day, is impressive. By some people standards, he is overtraining and should not have made any gains.
But surely other bodyparts have to be left untouched or very little training during such a phase.
But c'mon... Is that an example??? Something of a crazy extreme that is supposed to prove a point her. I really don't think so.
If you guys believe in it so much, why not give it a whirl.
I await your real life experience from it. Then post how great it is.
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But surely other bodyparts have to be left untouched or very little training during such a phase.
But c'mon... Is that an example??? Something of a crazy extreme that is supposed to prove a point her. I really don't think so.
If you guys believe in it so much, why not give it a whirl.
I await your real life experience from it. Then post how great it is.
Well, who knows if he was training other bodyparts. I don't know.
As stated, I have trained 7 days per weeks for weeks straight, however I did rotate all my bodyparts. According to Coach, you can do this and not overtrain. Dont get me wrong, I do not advocate training the same bodypart every day, but you can train 7 days per week as long as you rotate the muscles you work each day.
Ive never had any negative experiences from training this much.
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Ideal once a week per body part routine. Keep pumpin'
Well, my legs are 2x/week because they suck so bad that I am considering amputating them.
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Well, who knows if he was training other bodyparts. I don't know.
As stated, I have trained 7 days per weeks for weeks straight, however I did rotate all my bodyparts. According to Coach, you can do this and not overtrain. Dont get me wrong, I do not advocate training the same bodypart every day, but you can train 7 days per week as long as you rotate the muscles you work each day.
Ive never had any negative experiences from training this much.
I've tried the 7 day thing, would love for it to work. I think the fact i rely on stimulants too much, it backfires against me. Stims work great when used 4 days and that's my best split. Would like to do 5 day split, but the part where you train 3 days in a row, no matter how easy the 3rd day, just breaks me.
Mike Mentzer had a great saying on this topic. Something along the lines of "One's ability to sustain a 20, 30 or 60 minute workout is like one's ability to stay out in the sun. Some get a sunburn after 20, 30 or 60 minutes. It's about finding out how much time you can spend in the sun without getting burned"
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Well, my legs are 2x/week because they suck so bad that I am considering amputating them.
You can take a given bodypart and specialize on it for a while, but obviously gotta back off others, then try bring it all into balance.
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Mon - Chest/Back/Calves
Tuesday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Wednesday - Legs
Thursday - Chest/Back/Calves
Friday - Shoulders/Arms/Abs
Saturday - Legs
Sunday - Off
Training a body part once a week is useless.
looks like a good split I might try this for my next show. Last show I trained 8 weeks straight. .no rest days except for the last 3 days before the comp.
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Was your CNS burnt to a crisp by the end of 8 weeks?
dont think so..I felt great to be honest..
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But surely other bodyparts have to be left untouched or very little training during such a phase.
But c'mon... Is that an example??? Something of a crazy extreme that is supposed to prove a point her. I really don't think so.
If you guys believe in it so much, why not give it a whirl.
I await your real life experience from it. Then post how great it is.
Did you not watch the video ??? It is in fact someone's real-life experience from it and how great it was for them. There are also numerous people posting about how this approach has worked for them, and we had a giant thread about it just a month or two ago (no one's workout) with numerous success stories.
Nobody is trying to claim it's the "best" way to train but if you want to discredit it, which seems to be your goal for some reason, you need some stronger arguments than "CNS burnout" which is the worst type of broscience nonsense.
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Did you not watch the video ??? It is in fact someone's real-life experience from it and how great it was for them. There are also numerous people posting about how this approach has worked for them, and we had a giant thread about it just a month or two ago (no one's workout) with numerous success stories.
Nobody is trying to claim it's the "best" way to train but if you want to discredit it, which seems to be your goal for some reason, you need some stronger arguments than "CNS burnout" which is the worst type of broscience nonsense.
key word why it's just pointless to debate with you.
So... Give it a try as I said if you love it so much, tell us how great it is after!
This one has been beaten enough man, getting overtrained,lol...
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key word why it's just pointless to debate with you.
So... Give it a try as I said if you love it so much, tell us how great it is after!
This one has been beaten enough man, getting overtrained,lol...
Are you dense? At least four people just in the last page or two have already told you this. Someone even posted a video. It is not at all an uncommon training approach around here.
You are not "debating" anyone, you just keep shouting that you're right when it doesn't seem like too many people agree with you.
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Are you dense? At least four people just in the last page or two have already told you this. Someone even posted a video. It is not at all an uncommon training approach around here.
You are not "debating" anyone, you just keep shouting that you're right when it doesn't seem like too many people agree with you.
Lol, you are wasting your time with this fool. Some people do not deserve the knowledge.
Move on!
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i always lift 6-7 days a week..have for years...sometimes twice a day
bench
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I just finished 10 days in a row. Had a good chest/tri workout today. I have allowed longer breaks between sets, I had been doing about 90 seconds, now it's closer to 2 or 3 minutes.
I have decided it isn't a good idea to do a preworkout so many days in a row, think I'll stick with coffee if I'm going to be lifting like this. Two more days then I'll have a little over a week off due to Chrismas stuff.
Right now I think I'll shoot for 6 days a week when I start back up and see how that goes.
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i always lift 6-7 days a week..have for years...sometimes twice a day
bench
same here. ive never felt the ill effects of training this much.
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Lol, you are wasting your time with this fool. Some people do not deserve the knowledge.
Move on!
I know nothing of you guys, if you have a shape that is worthy to post, by all means, otherwise, just some dude clacking on the keyboard...
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I just have never found that this kind of thing works well for recovery. For me. Even 4 days a week- the original Mentzer routine eventually led to over training. The Scott and Arnold routines- overtrained in a week. I was never a fast gainer. But on less frequent training I explode.
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I know nothing of you guys, if you have a shape that is worthy to post, by all means, otherwise, just some dude clacking on the keyboard...
We've all posted pics (most of us anyway). This goes both ways if you want to demand someone's pic to assess their credibility. Where's yours? Why don't you show us what a real bodybuilder who trains so smartly looks like?
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We've all posted pics (most of us anyway). This goes both ways if you want to demand someone's pic to assess their credibility. Where's yours? Why don't you show us what a real bodybuilder who trains so smartly looks like?
my pics are here. YOu think I'd run my mouth if I could not back it up?
I put your names in the search, nothing came up.
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I train 6 days a week, high volume, natty and enhanced, and I'm one of the bigger guys here. I've posted pics to prove it.
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I train 6 days a week, high volume, natty and enhanced, and I'm one of the bigger guys here. I've posted pics to prove it.
I'm not saying that can't work. I'M not a low volume natzi... What we got here are some clowns saying you can max out EVERY FUCKIN' day and make gains. Sure, of course.
Whatever guys...
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Anyway... Done with this thread, I know where I stand, tried to find other guys pics, nothing came up. Yup... Lots of proof!
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Anyway... Done with this thread, I know where I stand, tried to find other guys pics, nothing came up. Yup... Lots of proof!
Outed, Getbig's most homosexual.
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Anyway... Done with this thread, I know where I stand, tried to find other guys pics, nothing came up. Yup... Lots of proof!
Jeez. You didn't try very hard...
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Jeez. You didn't try very hard...
Guess i'm not as gay as people think!
I put in the name of the person+pics, didn't work, no idea what else to do.
I'll let them post if they want, could care less man. I know what works best for me. And odd how the best f'in physiques on the planet train very similar...
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Guess i'm not as gay as people think!
I put in the name of the person+pics, didn't work, no idea what else to do.
I'll let them post if they want, could care less man. I know what works best for me. And odd how the best f'in physiques on the planet train very similar...
I know that I've seen pics of all of these guys, but I am not sure that I could find them with search terms. There's no central repo of pics, they just sorta happen over time in various threads.
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I know that I've seen pics of all of these guys, but I am not sure that I could find them with search terms. There's no central repo of pics, they just sorta happen over time in various threads.
Then I guess I gotta take their word for it!
If you guys see some bloke doing max lifts ed the next few weeks, it may be me...
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Then I guess I gotta take their word for it!
If you guys see some bloke doing max lifts ed the next few weeks, it may be me...
Won't be me. I'm too old for that shit.
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Won't be me. I'm too old for that shit.
I've been doing sets of 12 reps. I assume this is easier on my body.
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Won't be me. I'm too old for that shit.
4 reps is as heavy as i'll go. I need a bit of 4-6 reps done from time to time to wake up dormant muscles. 6-10 is pretty much my ideal range.
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Guess i'm not as gay as people think!
I put in the name of the person+pics, didn't work, no idea what else to do.
I'll let them post if they want, could care less man. I know what works best for me. And odd how the best f'in physiques on the planet train very similar...
There is an issue with that statement:
The people with the best physiques on the planet, also take the largest doses of GH, slin and steroids, as well as other drugs. Thus, when you take all those considerations into play, its really hard to determine if the way they are training is optimal, since they are on a LARGE amount of drugs.
In order to find out the optimum training routine, you need to keep as many factors as constant as possible, then see what routine works the best. When you have people taking drugs to enhance their physique, you cannot say that the way they train is the best, because many of them are on similar drug cycles. The way they train is optimal for them because they are on drugs. That same routine may not work at all for natural people or people on much smaller doses. You can't take the select few people with the best physiques in the world and say, "and odd how the best fucking physiques on the planet train very similar."
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I've been doing sets of 12 reps. I assume this is easier on my body.
Lately, I have been doing 10-15 reps per set and my dodgy shoulder seems to be getting better. I did take a set down to 7 reps in bb curls today. I still like to move the plates from time to time.
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There is an issue with that statement:
The people with the best physiques on the planet, also take the largest doses of GH, slin and steroids, as well as other drugs. Thus, when you take all those considerations into play, its really hard to determine if the way they are training is optimal, since they are on a LARGE amount of drugs.
In order to find out the optimum training routine, you need to keep as many factors as constant as possible, then see what routine works the best. When you have people taking drugs to enhance their physique, you cannot say that the way they train is the best, because many of them are on similar drug cycles. The way they train is optimal for them because they are on drugs. That same routine may not work at all for natural people or people on much smaller doses. You can't take the select few people with the best physiques in the world and say, "and odd how the best fucking physiques on the planet train very similar."
The split is what took most bb'ers to the next level as they were all doing training everything twice a week. Natty's make even better progress as they don't recover as well. It's even more significant for them.
So nowhere am I taking a few examples, talking from a very long time having done this. But surely some get better results doing something different, but from what I've seen, the split is king. Some body parts can get a second spankin' but it has to be strategic, not just "training to train"... I mean if you do arms twice a week, back and chest may be affected. YOu could do bieceps with back but after back, no way am I ready to train them.
So, like all we do here, it's a pick your poison situation. No split allows you to focus and prioritize everything, I've spend countless hours with a piece of paper trying to get in each body part every x amount of days, but overlap is always a problem or having to go too many days in a row.
So.. It comes down to what I'm saying here, most make progress when I help them with similar ideas to what I do and is why I am big on them. To help others out as most are just spinning their wheels... If a guy 6 foot tall cannot fill out an xl shirt and be lean after a lot of years in the gym..
FAIL!!!
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I've never been able to do more than 4 days a week for very long. 5 or 6 days a week burns me out after a few weeks. I train very hard with a respectable amount of volume at a pretty quick pace. One hour or less on the weights usually.
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The split is what took most bb'ers to the next level as they were all doing training everything twice a week. Natty's make even better progress as they don't recover as well. It's even more significant for them.
So nowhere am I taking a few examples, talking from a very long time having done this. But surely some get better results doing something different, but from what I've seen, the split is king. Some body parts can get a second spankin' but it has to be strategic, not just "training to train"... I mean if you do arms twice a week, back and chest may be affected. YOu could do bieceps with back but after back, no way am I ready to train them.
So, like all we do here, it's a pick your poison situation. No split allows you to focus and prioritize everything, I've spend countless hours with a piece of paper trying to get in each body part every x amount of days, but overlap is always a problem or having to go too many days in a row.
So.. It comes down to what I'm saying here, most make progress when I help them with similar ideas to what I do and is why I am big on them. To help others out as most are just spinning their wheels... If a guy 6 foot tall cannot fill out an xl shirt and be lean after a lot of years in the gym..
FAIL!!!
No, its not a fail. Most elite bodybuilders are a VERY select few. Even if you took the pro bodybuilders who were not elite, its still a select few compared to the general population. Furthermore, most professional bodybuilders, elite or not, and even NPC competitors are on massive cycles. Again, your example of a split routine taking most bodybuilders to the next level is a ridiculous statement to make to try to prove its the optimum way to train. The world had over 5 billion people. I would bet that less than 1% are hardcore bodybuilders, even less for elite bodybuilders.
The way to find out what training routine is optimal, is to take an experimental and control group. Take participants who all have similar characteristics (height, weight, diet, supplementation). This will hold all variables constant to ensure that no other factors are intruding on the results. Then have one group use a split training and have the other group use a different style of training. Then measure the outcomes of the training routines.
Using a randomized control trial is the only way to assert with any certainty what is the optimal training routine.
Any other way, like looking at bodybuilder who used a split training routine is absurd and stupid.
You FAIL!
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No, its not a fail. Most elite bodybuilders are a VERY select few. Even if you took the pro bodybuilders who were not elite, its still a select few compared to the general population. Furthermore, most professional bodybuilders, elite or not, and even NPC competitors are on massive cycles. Again, your example of a split routine taking most bodybuilders to the next level is a ridiculous statement to make to try to prove its the optimum way to train. The world had over 5 billion people. I would bet that less than 1% are hardcore bodybuilders, even less for elite bodybuilders.
The way to find out what training routine is optimal, is to take an experimental and control group. Take participants who all have similar characteristics (height, weight, diet, supplementation). This will hold all variables constant to ensure that no other factors are intruding on the results. Then have one group use a split training and have the other group use a different style of training. Then measure the outcomes of the training routines.
Using a randomized control trial is the only way to assert with any certainty what is the optimal training routine.
Any other way, like looking at bodybuilder who used a split training routine is absurd and stupid.
You FAIL!
Never gonna happen and you know it.
Ok, up to the readers to decide which method they think it best.
C'ause this is turning into a mere pissin' contest.
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Never gonna happen and you know it.
Ok, up to the readers to decide which method they think it best.
C'ause this is turning into a mere pissin' contest.
I know its never going to happen. Nonetheless, that is the only way to say with a degree of confidence which is the optimal training routine. Other than that, you have a bunch of anecdotal evidence that supports your position.
Though, the study i am explaining is not out of the realm of possibility. Many scientists have conducted similar experiments to determine which exercises produce the "best" results.
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I know its never going to happen. Nonetheless, that is the only way to say with a degree of confidence which is the optimal training routine. Other than that, you have a bunch of anecdotal evidence that supports your position.
Though, the study i am explaining is not out of the realm of possibility. Many scientists have conducted similar experiments to determine which exercises produce the "best" results.
the studies always have huge flaws!
Electromagnetics showed flyes hit the pecs the most! Best for growth? Not really...
Then did they ever use advanced guys? Always beginers who respond to anything, so anything they study will be shown effective as in a sense... It all is...
We're just being a couple of pricks trying to be right on the internet, lol...
We're winning, we're winning!!!
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6-7 days a week just isnt possible if youre going to argue on getbig too
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the studies always have huge flaws!
Electromagnetics showed flyes hit the pecs the most! Best for growth? Not really...
Then did they ever use advanced guys? Always beginers who respond to anything, so anything they study will be shown effective as in a sense... It all is...
We're just being a couple of pricks trying to be right on the internet, lol...
We're winning, we're winning!!!
All studies have flaws, that is inevitable. Science is not perfect.
However, a randomized control trial does a lot better jobs holding some things constant and verifying results, as opposed to your statement, "This is the best training routine because bodybuilders benefited from it."
At the end of the day, no one method is perfect in deciding the best training routine, but a controlled study is the closest thing we can get to having some sort of consistency. As stated, its much better than just saying, "X is the best training routine because I know bodybuilders who benefited from it."
Ive tried all different routines and I know what works best for me, so that is what I will keep doing.
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I know nothing of you guys, if you have a shape that is worthy to post, by all means, otherwise, just some dude clacking on the keyboard...
I trained 8 weeks straight for my last show, no rest days, 45-90 min cardio a day and trained 1 body part a day, however this was under optimal conditions, I was on vacation and the only thing I had to do was eat/sleep/train.
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I trained 8 weeks straight for my last show, no rest days, 45-90 min cardio a day and trained 1 body part a day, however this was under optimal conditions, I was on vacation and the only thing I had to do was eat/sleep/train.
I think that's enough attention whoring for at least a year. Now please go back to your cruise ship and leave us alone, thanks.
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I think that's enough attention whoring for at least a year. Now please go back to your cruise ship and leave us alone, thanks.
LMAO!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I think that's enough attention whoring for at least a year. Now please go back to your cruise ship and leave us alone, thanks.
Happy Holidays Dropping Plates..the dude was asking for people to back up this type of training with photos. Honestly I think you have to find what works for you and your lifestyle in regards to training. .I've always been paranoid that if im not constantly training I'll lose muscle..I may even be over training its probaly more mental then anything.
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Happy Holidays Dropping Plates..the dude was asking for people to back up this type of training with photos. Honestly I think you have to find what works for you and your lifestyle in regards to training. .I've always been paranoid that if im not constantly training I'll lose muscle..I may even be over training its probaly more mental then anything.
Happy Holidays for you as well, and I mean that because I believe you're a good hombre (sorry, no homo :D)
Something that works starts with something that you believe in. There's nothing wrong with weight training every day, as long as you (i.e. individual muscles AND CNS) have time to recover. Is it required to avoid atrophy? Def not.
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Happy Holidays Dropping Plates..the dude was asking for people to back up this type of training with photos. Honestly I think you have to find what works for you and your lifestyle in regards to training. .I've always been paranoid that if im not constantly training I'll lose muscle..I may even be over training its probaly more mental then anything.
Was more asking proof about maxing out every single training... AS THE ORIGINAL topic was... I've said guys can get good results using different programs as just because it works for me does not mean it's one size fits all as it never is.
Guys I know who need to train all the time as super hard on themselves for nothing. They fear they will lose muscle as you claim I fear I will overtrain.
Guess it's all in the head, huh?
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Was more asking proof about maxing out every single training... AS THE ORIGINAL topic was... I've said guys can get good results using different programs as just because it works for me does not mean it's one size fits all as it never is.
Guys I know who need to train all the time as super hard on themselves for nothing. They fear they will lose muscle as you claim I fear I will overtrain.
Guess it's all in the head, huh?
The last week or two i have been training with more machines and using lighter weights. I keep thinking i will lose muscles but i know that is not the case. its all in my head.
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The last week or two i have been training with more machines and using lighter weights. I keep thinking i will lose muscles but i know that is not the case. its all in my head.
I gave that a try this year with higher volume.
I diped below the 220 mark, not good!
I gave up going to failure, doing faster reps so the TUT would not be too much, faster rests... Just did not work. Absolute last time I ever try volume. Machines are good, not against them at all. Just not all machines. Odd how you feel the muscle working more while doing it, but just does not work the muscle the same. Yet you hear people often claim "the muscle can't tell the difference" funny people...
I gave up squats for a long time as my legs did not need them to match the rest of me. Well that shit catches up with you. 2 sessions of box squats has them looking more like they should, something about moving heavy ass free weights just works! Will science ever prove this? Not holding my breath on it.
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I gave that a try this year with higher volume.
I diped below the 220 mark, not good!
I gave up going to failure, doing faster reps so the TUT would not be too much, faster rests... Just did not work. Absolute last time I ever try volume. Machines are good, not against them at all. Just not all machines. Odd how you feel the muscle working more while doing it, but just does not work the muscle the same. Yet you hear people often claim "the muscle can't tell the difference" funny people...
I gave up squats for a long time as my legs did not need them to match the rest of me. Well that shit catches up with you. 2 sessions of box squats has them looking more like they should, something about moving heavy ass free weights just works! Will science ever prove this? Not holding my breath on it.
Actually, they have done studies where they compared free weight to machine exercises and they have shown a better response from free weights.
http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/new-study-pits-barbell-squats-against-leg-press-machine
Ten healthy men volunteered for the study, each with experience in strength training. On one day they performed six sets of ten reps of leg press, starting with 80% of 1RM. On another day, after plenty of rest, they returned to the lab to perform the squat workout, which was also six sets of ten reps, starting with 80% of 1RM. During each of these workouts, the participants were sporting a catheter inserted into their arms so blood could be sampled quickly.
In a result that surprised no one, barbell squats produced significantly higher levels of testosterone and growth hormone. At the greatest difference, which occurred during the workout, testosterone was about 25% higher when performing full squats versus leg press. But the difference in growth hormone was incredible. Squats produced a full 200% more growth hormone during the workout. Even thirty minutes after the workout, participants who did squats still had 100% more growth hormone as when they performed the leg press. Double your growth hormone, double your fun? Cortisol levels also rose more after the squat workout, further confirming the squat workout was a fundamentally different physiological experience.
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Actually, they have done studies where they compared free weight to machine exercises and they have shown a better response from free weights.
http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/new-study-pits-barbell-squats-against-leg-press-machine
Ten healthy men volunteered for the study, each with experience in strength training. On one day they performed six sets of ten reps of leg press, starting with 80% of 1RM. On another day, after plenty of rest, they returned to the lab to perform the squat workout, which was also six sets of ten reps, starting with 80% of 1RM. During each of these workouts, the participants were sporting a catheter inserted into their arms so blood could be sampled quickly.
In a result that surprised no one, barbell squats produced significantly higher levels of testosterone and growth hormone. At the greatest difference, which occurred during the workout, testosterone was about 25% higher when performing full squats versus leg press. But the difference in growth hormone was incredible. Squats produced a full 200% more growth hormone during the workout. Even thirty minutes after the workout, participants who did squats still had 100% more growth hormone as when they performed the leg press. Double your growth hormone, double your fun? Cortisol levels also rose more after the squat workout, further confirming the squat workout was a fundamentally different physiological experience.
Well, well, gonna read the whole thing later, but awesome post man! Chest machines have me go totally flat it's just unbelievable. I'd guess the same applies to a bench VS some machine chest press...
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https://www.acefitness.org/acefit/expert-insight-article/47/4947/ace-study-reveals-best-biceps-exercises/
To determine which exercise is the most beneficial for activating the biceps brachii, researchers compiled a list of the eight most commonly used exercises for targeting the biceps:
Cable curl
Barbell curl
Concentration curl
Chin-up
EZ Curl (with both wide and narrow grip)
Incline curl
Preacher curl
Next, the researchers recruited 16 healthy, female and male volunteers (eight men and eight women) between the ages of 18 and 24. All of the subjects had some form of weightlifting experience to ensure that during testing the exercises would be performed correctly.
Prior to the actual study, each subject attended one practice session in which researchers made sure that the subjects understood how to perform each of the exercises and were acquainted with the testing procedures. To establish a baseline of fitness, the subjects also completed a one-repetition maximum (1-RM) for each of the eight exercises.
On the first day of testing, researchers affixed electrodes on the biceps brachii (BB), anterior deltoid (AD) and the brachioradialis (BR) of each subject to measure total muscle activity via a wireless electromyography (EMG) machine. Next, subjects began by completing a maximum voluntary contraction (MVC) for the biceps by performing an isometric one-arm cable curl. Following that, researchers randomly assigned four more biceps exercises for the subject to complete. For those lifts that did not use body weight, the subjects used 70 percent of their 1-RM as resistance. A rest period of two minutes was given between each exercise to ensure that subjects were not too tired to complete the required reps. On the second day of testing, subjects were hooked up to the EMG machine again, began with a MVC and then completed each of the four remaining biceps exercises.
THE RESULTS
Immediately following both testing sessions, researchers crunched the numbers. When compared to the other seven exercises, the concentration curl came out on top, eliciting significantly higher muscle activation of the biceps than any other exercise tested (Figure 1).
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Well, well, gonna read the whole thing later, but awesome post man! Chest machines have me go totally flat it's just unbelievable. I'd guess the same applies to a bench VS some machine chest press...
I would guess so, but are you talking about hammer strength machine press or smith machine press?
It would be interesting to compare hammer strength chest press to smith machine chest press. Since both are machine-related type of exercises.
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Quick!!! Send that arm growth info to Dan Hill so he can finally...
But, not saying I agree with that info, but a nice reminder to give them a try.
Been liking cables oddly for biceps using a 3-0-3-2 tempo.
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I would guess so, but are you talking about hammer strength machine press or smith machine press?
It would be interesting to compare hammer strength chest press to smith machine chest press. Since both are machine-related type of exercises.
No hammer stuff at my gym. All Atlantis (giving up my location kinda, but meh, nothing to hide...) Atlantis has some nice stuff.
They got a replica of the unilateral lat pulldown and that just smokes any other movement for me. The pullover (which I do unilateal as well) is stellar. Oddly for back width, I need all machines.
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No hammer stuff at my gym. All Atlantis (giving up my location kinda, but meh, nothing to hide...) Atlantis has some nice stuff.
They got a replica of the unilateral lat pulldown and that just smokes any other movement for me. The pullover (which I do unilateal as well) is stellar. Oddly for back width, I need all machines.
good deal, most of the Atlantis plate loaded stuff is great. I wish we could get more of it here in the US
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https://www.acefitness.org/acefit/expert-insight-article/47/4947/ace-study-reveals-best-biceps-exercises/
To determine which exercise is the most beneficial for activating the biceps brachii, researchers compiled a list of the eight most commonly used exercises for targeting the biceps:
Cable curl
Barbell curl
Concentration curl
Chin-up
EZ Curl (with both wide and narrow grip)
Incline curl
Preacher curl
Next, the researchers recruited 16 healthy, female and male volunteers (eight men and eight women) between the ages of 18 and 24. All of the subjects had some form of weightlifting experience to ensure that during testing the exercises would be performed correctly.
Prior to the actual study, each subject attended one practice session in which researchers made sure that the subjects understood how to perform each of the exercises and were acquainted with the testing procedures. To establish a baseline of fitness, the subjects also completed a one-repetition maximum (1-RM) for each of the eight exercises.
On the first day of testing, researchers affixed electrodes on the biceps brachii (BB), anterior deltoid (AD) and the brachioradialis (BR) of each subject to measure total muscle activity via a wireless electromyography (EMG) machine. Next, subjects began by completing a maximum voluntary contraction (MVC) for the biceps by performing an isometric one-arm cable curl. Following that, researchers randomly assigned four more biceps exercises for the subject to complete. For those lifts that did not use body weight, the subjects used 70 percent of their 1-RM as resistance. A rest period of two minutes was given between each exercise to ensure that subjects were not too tired to complete the required reps. On the second day of testing, subjects were hooked up to the EMG machine again, began with a MVC and then completed each of the four remaining biceps exercises.
THE RESULTS
Immediately following both testing sessions, researchers crunched the numbers. When compared to the other seven exercises, the concentration curl came out on top, eliciting significantly higher muscle activation of the biceps than any other exercise tested (Figure 1).
Makes sense.
The bros in the prison movies were always doing concentration curls in their cells and they all had pretty jacked arms.
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Makes sense.
The bros in the prison movies were always doing concentration curls in their cells and they all had pretty jacked arms.
haha lol. yes!!! im going to do some concentration curls tomorrow so i can get jacked arms!!
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concentration curls are also tits as you can use your free hand to talk on your cell...
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I would guess so, but are you talking about hammer strength machine press or smith machine press?
It would be interesting to compare hammer strength chest press to smith machine chest press. Since both are machine-related type of exercises.
A Hammer would prob win when it comes to % fiber recruitment (harder contraction and unilateral movement)
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So... two things don't allow to train hard 6-7 days a week:
1. CNS burnout
2. "You grow when you rest"
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So... two things don't allow to train hard 6-7 days a week:
1. CNS burnout
2. "You grow when you rest"
It depends on the person. Some folks could probably train every day for years. Other people might only be able to do 3 days a week without overtraining. Just gotta figure out what works for you.
I think I'll stick with 5 to 6 days a week and see how my body likes it. I know 5 days is good, gonna try 6 and see what happens.
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It depends on the person. Some folks could probably train every day for years. Other people might only be able to do 3 days a week without overtraining. Just gotta figure out what works for you.
I think I'll stick with 5 to 6 days a week and see how my body likes it. I know 5 days is good, gonna try 6 and see what happens.
I really like 5-6 as long as my schedule supports it. I vary the volume to keep my CNS ::) from burning out.
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That shit's for pussies. I train 8, even 9 days a week sometimes.
In all 57 states of the USA? ;D
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It depends on the person. Some folks could probably train every day for years. Other people might only be able to do 3 days a week without overtraining. Just gotta figure out what works for you.
I think I'll stick with 5 to 6 days a week and see how my body likes it. I know 5 days is good, gonna try 6 and see what happens.
This, and the type of training split, intensity, volume & frequency.
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Thou shalt lift for six days, and the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest.