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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: obsidian on December 20, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/10/18/dna-discoverer-blacks-less-intelligent-than-whites/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
One of the world's most eminent scientists has created a racial firestorm in Britain.
James D. Watson, 79, co-discoverer of the DNA helix and winner of the 1962 Nobel Prize in medicine, told the Sunday Times of London that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really."
He recognized that the prevailing belief was that all human groups are equal, but that "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true."
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In 2007 Watson said "I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system."
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This is from 2007, I think you just proved that you are a lot less intelligent that you want others to believe.
BTW, are you going to tell us that Bush is no longer President?
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He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”
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This is from 2007, I think you just proved that you are a lot less intelligent that you want others to believe.
BTW, are you going to tell us that Bush is no longer President?
So what? Does not mean it is not relevant today. Since when is IQ related to referencing the latest news story? That perhaps indicates a lack of understanding on your part what constitutes intelligence?
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Watson has repeatedly supported genetic screening and genetic engineering in public lectures and interviews, arguing that stupidity is a disease and the "really stupid" bottom 10% of people should be cured.[84] He has also suggested that beauty could be genetically engineered, saying in 2003, "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great."
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Haha I like this Watson guy!!
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Political Correctness isn't scientific. When politics dictates what is scientifically acceptable, you get created myths passing for science in Nazi Germany and Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union.
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So what? Does not mean it is not relevant today. Since when is IQ related to referencing the latest news story? That perhaps indicates a lack of understanding on your part what constitutes intelligence?
Because it's not the latest. This has already been discussed on here. And I believe a poster by the name of woten did far more justice in discussing this than you have or ever could.
Gone are those days. Getbig is a reflection of our society, and it is suffering from what Chris Cormier calls, "a lowered standard of excellence."
Political Correctness isn't scientific. When politics dictates what is scientifically acceptable, you get created myths passing for science in Nazi Germany and Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union.
yep.
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Haha I like this Watson guy!!
Agreed.
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Because it's not the latest. This has already been discussed on here. And I believe a poster by the name of woten did far more justice in discussing this than you have or ever could.
Gone are those days. Getbig is a reflection of our society, and it is suffering from what Chris Cormier calls, "a lowered standard of excellence."
yep.
Lol ok whatever. Are you stomping your foot in disagreement? Let's discuss - I was not part of of the Woten thread. I agree with Watson's assessment. Are you saying this scientist is just plain wrong?
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Lol ok whatever. Are you stomping your foot in disagreement? Let's discuss - I was not part of of the Woten thread. I agree with Watson's assessment. Are you saying this scientist is just plain wrong?
A colleague of Watsons dismissed his claim:
Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University in Britain, was quick to dismiss Watson's comments.
"This is Watson at his most scandalous, " Rose told the Times of London. "If he knew the literature in the subject, he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."
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A colleague of Watsons dismissed his claim:
Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University in Britain, was quick to dismiss Watson's comments.
"This is Watson at his most scandalous, " Rose told the Times of London. "If he knew the literature in the subject, he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."
Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?
Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?
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Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?
Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?
I don't know, Im not Rose.
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I don't know, Im not Rose.
What about you? You're SF1900 - what do you think about Usain Bolt? Why is he so fast? Because of genetics or culture? Is there a white man alive today that can beat him in 100 meters?
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No whites or asians in this race - why? Is it genetics or culture?
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"Culture" is currently vastly overemphasized in academic circles. Typically by those afraid to trace phenomenon to root causes. Easier to pass the buck to "culture". The epochal geniuses in history typically made an impact despite their cultures, not because of them. Notably such figures as Socrates, Hypatia,Bruno, Galileo, even Christ were all persecuted or killed for their genius which achieved in spite of their culture, not because of it.
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Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?
Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?
Brilliantly summarized!! I have to remember that one.
Look at bodybuilding, at all levels there are generally more successful black athletes than there are white, and very few Asians. Black people will happily make comments its "in the genes". Yet for a scientist to suggest intelligence is "in the genes" is akin to blasphemy.
It amazing peoples denial of what is right in front of them. In the liberal left wing view of the world 2 + 2 = 6
One race has some physical advantages = acceptable
One race has some mental advantages = unacceptable
If one race can have a physical advantage because within their genetic makeup they are pre-disposed to carrying more of a specific type of muscle fiber, why cant another race be pre-disposed to have a larger or structurally different brain. To reject that this could be possible is absolute madness from a scientific view.
How many great Africans physicists, chemists, biologists, engineers are there that people can name off the top of their head. None spring to mind. The few that there are that came from the US, were usually far from pure Africans, but usually mixed with European ancestry.
Why is Africa still bumbling around whilst, China, India and South America make progress.
How many successful African car manufacturers are there...none.
Name an African country with a great manufacturing and engineering background...none.
Name a highly renowned center of learning and education in Africa, that the super rich Chinese and Arabs want to send their children to....none.
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In Ghana they are good with computers. The best in Africa. It's like the TECH. Capital.
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Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?
Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?
Brilliantly summarized!! I have to remember that one.
Look at bodybuilding, at all levels there are generally more successful black athletes than there are white, and very few Asians. Black people will happily make comments its "in the genes". Yet for a scientist to suggest intelligence is "in the genes" is akin to blasphemy.
It amazing peoples denial of what is right in front of them. In the liberal left wing view of the world 2 + 2 = 6
One race has some physical advantages = acceptable
One race has some mental advantages = unacceptable
If one race can have a physical advantage because within their genetic makeup they are pre-disposed to carrying more of a specific type of muscle fiber, why cant another race be pre-disposed to have a larger or structurally different brain. To reject that this could be possible is absolute madness from a scientific view.
How many great Africans physicists, chemists, biologists, engineers are there that people can name off the top of their head. None spring to mind. The few that there are that came from the US, were usually far from pure Africans, but usually mixed with European ancestry.
Why is Africa still bumbling around whilst, China, India and South America make progress.
How many successful African car manufacturers are there...none.
Name an African country with a great manufacturing and engineering background...none.
Name a highly renowned center of learning and education in Africa, that the super rich Chinese and Arabs want to send their children to....none.
Exactly Right.
There are a lot of pre-PC era studies to back up the genetic differences mentally & physically.
Only We are now not supposed to mention the genetic mental differences.
We only have to look around the world to see what parts have progressed in technology
& who haven't.
We can also See the genetic differences in people around the world in terms of hair, height,
Facial, colour, & very much so in Sports.
But we have to pretend the Mentality side of things we are all exactly the Same.
Yeah Right of Course We Are.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/10/18/dna-discoverer-blacks-less-intelligent-than-whites/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html
One of the world's most eminent scientists has created a racial firestorm in Britain.
James D. Watson, 79, co-discoverer of the DNA helix and winner of the 1962 Nobel Prize in medicine, told the Sunday Times of London that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really."
He recognized that the prevailing belief was that all human groups are equal, but that "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true."
Clearly a right wing racist. Show me the science!
Oh wait....
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Exactly Right.
There are a lot of pre-PC era studies to back up the genetic differences mentally & physically.
Only We are now not supposed to mention the genetic mental differences.
We only have to look around the world to see what parts have progressed in technology
& who haven't.
We can also See the genetic differences in people around the world in terms of hair, height,
Facial, colour, & very much so in Sports.
But we have to pretend the Mentality side of things we are all exactly the Same.
Yeah Right of Course We Are.
Here they produce stats on different ethnic groups, how well they perform in school and college. Routinely you see Chinese at the top of the list of academic performance, followed by whites and Indians, Africans are always at the bottom year in year out. No matter what country around the world you pick, almost the same profile is seen every time.
People then say its because they are disadvantaged and because their culture is different, but actually culture is a by-product of a peoples thought processes. Culture is doesn't come first, thinking comes first and culture comes as a by product of the collective minds of a community. The Chinese collectively have a do well at school, make money, work hard mentality, this is then reflected in their culture collectively, hence why their parents pressure their kids to study. Its not the other way round, the culture doesn't make the people, the people make the culture, and its the genes that make the people.
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Play it again, Sam.
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yes we all need scientists to figure this one out for us ::)
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I read recently that Watson is actually selling his Nobel prize that he won for his co-discovery of DNA because he has become a complete pariah and unemployable since these comments. To his credit, he hasn't apologozed of retraced his comments; he stands by them.
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Everyone knows that Ashkenazi Jews are by far the most intelligent human beings on earth. This is not even debatable based on all of the scientific evidence. Of course ethnicity and races have different genetics to say they don`t is just flat out wrong. Steven Pinker has already gone to lengths to show why the liberal Standard Social Science model, where everyone is a "blank slate" at birth is total nonsense. Watson is correct.
For instance, Obsidian is on the less intelligent list as well. Its a fact that he will have to face as well.
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His statement however does not provide GENETIC PROOF of his opinion. He just stated a generalization. It's not like he identified a specific gene that made whites smarter. His statement was very unscientific. As a expert in genetics; he should have named the genes that whites were expressing more than blacks. I would expect more from an ELITE geneticist.
"James D. Watson.... was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really."
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Now if you made trivia a part of a football game or track meet, where they only get credit for the athletics if they can answer 10 trivia questions after the race or game, you would see a totally different racial makeup of sports.
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Everyone who is not of Ashkanazi Jewish descent if going to have to find a way to deal with the fact that they are born, genetically, with less intelligence. There are also drawbacks to this as well because our Ashkanazi heritage does include some unique genetic diseases such as Marfan and sometimes colon cancer. However, there is also evidence that the telomeres in our DNA are longer which could mean a longer overall max lifespan as long as conditions are met to combat these certain genetic diseases specific to Ashkanazi.
In other words, ethnicity has a lot to do with genetics and to say otherwise is wrong.
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Everyone who is not of Ashkanazi Jewish descent if going to have to find a way to deal with the fact that they are born, genetically, with less intelligence. There are also drawbacks to this as well because our Ashkanazi heritage does include some unique genetic diseases such as Marfan and sometimes colon cancer. However, there is also evidence that the telomeres in our DNA are longer which could mean a longer overall max lifespan as long as conditions are met to combat these certain genetic diseases specific to Ashkanazi.
In other words, ethnicity has a lot to do with genetics and to say otherwise is wrong.
As a person who is half Ashkanazi, I fully support TA's thesis here :D
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Everyone who is not of Ashkanazi Jewish descent if going to have to find a way to deal with the fact that they are born, genetically, with less intelligence. There are also drawbacks to this as well because our Ashkanazi heritage does include some unique genetic diseases such as Marfan and sometimes colon cancer. However, there is also evidence that the telomeres in our DNA are longer which could mean a longer overall max lifespan as long as conditions are met to combat these certain genetic diseases specific to Ashkanazi.
In other words, ethnicity has a lot to do with genetics and to say otherwise is wrong.
Smart or not, I think that people should strive to be their best mentally & physically. To live honest, decent lives. And to use their skills to be a benefit to the world.
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Post some unleavened bread recipes!! Nothing from Africa, please.
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A persons character is more important than their intelligence.
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Smart or not, I think that people should strive to be their best mentally & physically. To live honest, decent lives. And to use their skills to be a benefit to the world.
I don`t. I think people should do whatever they want as long as they don`t hurt anyone else or violate another person`s rights. If they want to eat themselves and lay in bed all day, then that is fine. If they want to collect wrestling figures from the 80s and build cardboard box forts all day, that is fine too.
Live your life the way you want to as long as you don`t hurt anyone.
"Oh, she says, well, you’re not a poor man. You know, why don’t you go online and buy a hundred envelopes and put them in the closet? And so I pretend not to hear her. And go out to get an envelope because I’m going to have a hell of a good time in the process of buying one envelope. I meet a lot of people. And, see some great looking babes. And a fire engine goes by. And I give them the thumbs up. And, and ask a woman what kind of dog that is. And, and I don’t know. The moral of the story is, is we’re here on Earth to fart around. And, of course, the computers will do us out of that. And, what the computer people don’t realize, or they don’t care, is we’re dancing animals. You know, we love to move around. And, we’re not supposed to dance at all anymore."
— Kurt Vonnegut, on telling his wife he’s going out to buy an envelope
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You see, Kurt Vonnegut and James Watson, both basically came to the same conclusion:
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I don`t. I think people should do whatever they want as long as they don`t hurt anyone else or violate another person`s rights. If they want to eat themselves and lay in bed all day, then that is fine. If they want to collect wrestling figures from the 80s and build cardboard box forts all day, that is fine too.
Live your life the way you want to as long as you don`t hurt anyone.
"Oh, she says, well, you’re not a poor man. You know, why don’t you go online and buy a hundred envelopes and put them in the closet? And so I pretend not to hear her. And go out to get an envelope because I’m going to have a hell of a good time in the process of buying one envelope. I meet a lot of people. And, see some great looking babes. And a fire engine goes by. And I give them the thumbs up. And, and ask a woman what kind of dog that is. And, and I don’t know. The moral of the story is, is we’re here on Earth to fart around. And, of course, the computers will do us out of that. And, what the computer people don’t realize, or they don’t care, is we’re dancing animals. You know, we love to move around. And, we’re not supposed to dance at all anymore."
— Kurt Vonnegut, on telling his wife he’s going out to buy an envelope
Man w/o a Country. Hi.
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A persons character is more important than their intelligence.
Where does that leave someone like me?
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I don't know? Where does it leave you?
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At least I still have my looks.
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Intelligence is overrated, work ethic is what really matters.
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Intelligence is overrated, work ethic is what really matters.
For slaves.
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Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?
Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?
You couldn't even mention this until recently, when Michael Johnson made a documentary specifically addressing that it was in fact genetics that made blacks superior in sprinting.not only that but being black and descendant of slave ancestors was like winning the lottery in sprinting.Documentary is called survival of the fastest if non uk viewers cant watch this YouTube link.
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At least I still have my looks.
Being honest with yourself is a sign of intelligence.
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Everyone knows that Ashkenazi Jews are by far the most intelligent human beings on earth.
Yes, it's true, we are.
So why do you use your intelligence for evil?
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The constitutional precept and guarantee of inalienable rights and the presumption that all men are created equal, has morphed phantasmagorically into a presumption that everyone IS equal- in everything. They are ENTITLED to be. By legal rights, yes, but by REALITY- no. Human attributes such as intelligence, height, etc are distributed over a bell curve. This is what the data shows consistently. I got taken to task by another member here who also is a psychologist in training, because I refuse to just accept what is the prevailing over-emphasis in culture. Mind you I have an MEd in CROSS -CULTURAL teaching. So, because im not doing my PSyD at a State run University- being an mature adult learner, that wasn't a good fit, and am at a private school that specializes in training psychologists, that somehow diminishes my opinion. Never mind what the actual content of my work is. Just because a viewpoint is prevalent, does not mean it is accurate. Many universities are heavily influenced by Marxism and Feminism, both of which I reject on the grounds of their conflicts with evolutionary biology and the history of science.
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I read recently that Watson is actually selling his Nobel prize that he won for his co-discovery of DNA because he has become a complete pariah and unemployable since these comments. To his credit, he hasn't apologozed of retraced his comments; he stands by them.
The Nobel prize has become a joke anyway after obama was given a "peace" prize. He stands by his scientific believes so good for him.
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The Nobel prize has become a joke anyway after obama was given a "peace" prize. He stands by his scientific believes so good for him.
Yeah respect for this dude if that's the case. In academia you can be outcast for speaking the truth, just like in the corporate world. Sometimes even moreso.
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Everyone knows that Ashkenazi Jews are by far the most intelligent human beings on earth. This is not even debatable based on all of the scientific evidence. Of course ethnicity and races have different genetics to say they don`t is just flat out wrong. Steven Pinker has already gone to lengths to show why the liberal Standard Social Science model, where everyone is a "blank slate" at birth is total nonsense. Watson is correct.
For instance, Obsidian is on the less intelligent list as well. Its a fact that he will have to face as well.
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Those jews are smart for sure. That's why they always manage to weasel their way into power positions where the can pull the strings to their favour. Einstein was jew right? not sure if Ashkenazi jew but w/e..
Japanese are also highly intelligent/high IQ people. Looking at their highly evolved societies, cities, industries etc. of today you can clearly see that.
Caucasias are maybe not as high on avg IQ as above mentiened but obviously their creative genious is unsurpassed. 90% of all modern day innovations are from the caucasian man.
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Scandinavians score far higher than AFricans o IQW tests. Scandinavia is a virtual paradise compared to Africa. (NOT weather wise). And there is NO direct correlation???
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Everyone knows that Ashkenazi Jews are by far the most intelligent human beings on earth. This is not even debatable based on all of the scientific evidence. Of course ethnicity and races have different genetics to say they don`t is just flat out wrong. Steven Pinker has already gone to lengths to show why the liberal Standard Social Science model, where everyone is a "blank slate" at birth is total nonsense. Watson is correct.
For instance, Obsidian is on the less intelligent list as well. Its a fact that he will have to face as well.
It's a fact that pseudo (ashkenazi) jews destroy nations and economies. What is the USA debt right now tru anus? What does Detroit look like now? Pseudo jews preach multiculturalism throughout the West and homogeneous nations like China prosper while the West' attention is diverted to the michael browns of the world. Instead of white countries aiming for the stars and beyond we have now been reduced to racial conflict all in the name of multiculturalism and DIEversity that pseudo jews have championed.
That does not sound like a very intelligent move tru anus?!
A few Caucasian geniuses:
Newton, Tesla, Da Vinci, Edison, Bohr, Mozart, Beethoven, Foster, Michelangelo, Galileo, Darwin, Ford etc. etc.
Fact is the world has Caucasians to thank for the majority of modern inventions.
Pseudo (ashkenazi) jews can lay claim to being geniuses when it comes to swindling nations out of their culture and wealth. I'll give you that.
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haha intelligence, oh brother.
thats something weak and ugly people discuss in order to make them selves feel better because they cant perform in the gym and in the bedroom.
watch any video where the nerd gets beaten by the jocks who you rather be?
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haha intelligence, oh brother.
thats something weak and ugly people discuss in order to make them selves feel better because they cant perform in the gym and in the bedroom.
watch any video where the nerd gets beaten by the jocks who you rather be?
Ha ha I can tell this pamphlet shaped your life.
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Everyone who is not of Ashkanazi Jewish descent if going to have to find a way to deal with the fact that they are born, genetically, with less intelligence. There are also drawbacks to this as well because our Ashkanazi heritage does include some unique genetic diseases such as Marfan and sometimes colon cancer. However, there is also evidence that the telomeres in our DNA are longer which could mean a longer overall max lifespan as long as conditions are met to combat these certain genetic diseases specific to Ashkanazi.
In other words, ethnicity has a lot to do with genetics and to say otherwise is wrong.
Maybe the pseudo jews should have been smarter and countered inbreeding more? Pseudo jews preach DIEversity / Miscegenation for all Caucasians and at the same time don't follow their own advices? And now they have weakened their gene pool. Yes, there are some pseudo jews like Ron Perlman that do practice Miscegenation but the majority don't. What's Israel up to these days with their immigration program?
Asperger syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
Gaucher's disease
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucher%27s_disease
More here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_genetics_of_Jews
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Russian-speakers who want to make aliya could need DNA test
Read more: Russian-speakers who want to make aliya could need DNA test | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/#ixzz3MYC5aV4I
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Well naturally, we have to keep the bloodline a pure as possible.
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Well naturally, we have to keep the bloodline a pure as possible.
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Yes, so we can produce more Hitlers. I'm part "jew" myself. Yet I recognize the danger we pose.
New DNA Evidence Shows Hitler Was Jewish
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/new-dna-evidence-shows-hitler-was-jewish/
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We are all part jewish ;D
Askenazi jews are converts to Judaism. If we go back 1500 years the ancestors of Ashkenazis weren't "Jewish".
And we are all related if you go back a few thousand years in Europe. So we could all decide to convert to Judaism today, just like the Ashkenazi ancestors did.
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We are all part jewish ;D
Askenazi jews are converts to Judaism. So if we go back 1500 years the ancestors of Ashkenazis weren't "Jewish".
And we are all related if you go back a few thousand years in Europe. So we could all decide we will convert to Judaism today, just like the Ashkenazi ancestors did.
No we aren't. I have 0% Jewish DNA. By two separate tests.
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No we aren't. I have 0% Jewish DNA. By two separate tests.
You have 50% Banana DNA - are you going to tell me you have 0% Banana DNA?
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/evolution/what-is-the-evidence/morphology/dna-molecules/
The genes of organisms that look very different are surprisingly similar. For example, human DNA sequences are over 95% identical to chimpanzee sequences and around 50% identical to banana sequences.
You have to go back in time a long way to find a common ancestor between humans and bananas, but ultimately they have both emerged from the same family tree, the tree of life, and that is why they share common characteristics.
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You have 50% Banana DNA - are you going to tell me you have 0% Banana DNA?
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/evolution/what-is-the-evidence/morphology/dna-molecules/
The genes of organisms that look very different are surprisingly similar. For example, human DNA sequences are over 95% identical to chimpanzee sequences and around 50% identical to banana sequences.
You have to go back in time a long way to find a common ancestor between humans and bananas, but ultimately they have both emerged from the same family tree, the tree of life, and that is why they share common characteristics.
if you're going that far back you may aswell say we're all n|ggers since we all originate from Africa ::)
typical jew conning and deception tactics ;)
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You couldn't even mention this until recently, when Michael Johnson made a documentary specifically addressing that it was in fact genetics that made blacks superior in sprinting.not only that but being black and descendant of slave ancestors was like winning the lottery in sprinting.Documentary is called survival of the fastest if non uk viewers cant watch this YouTube link.
He is dead wrong as well. There never was or could have been a "breeding program" for many, many reasons, too numerous to list really. For one, economically, it would not make sense for starters.
Most slave owners did not own Tons of slaves. The majority just 1-5 (hardly a big gene pool to select from, which they didn`t bother to do anyway). On the bigger plantations you had hundreds (still not a big enough gene pool to select from and they didn`t select anyways), and then the Plantation Owners did not force breed at all. Instead, slaves were permitted to carry on as a normal family would and Plantation Owners always tried to keep families together. Slaves were permitted to marry whoever they wanted and owners recognized these marriages. There is a lot more to this aspect that would take forever to delve into.
Not only that, but the Phenotype does NOT determine a Genotype. Just because James was good with a pitch fork and plow does not automatically mean his son James Jr. would be equally adept. Also, there simply would be no way to identify positive alleles in such a short amount of time. There would be nothing to look for nor any scientific way of doing so.
Hope this helps and like I said, do a search. I have went into great detail on this elsewhere. The smaller and more skilled would be better. Less calories to feed them and they could actually do something.
The main thing any plantation owner looked for was work ethic and skill sets and work history (things you couldn`t breed for anyways). As amusing as that sounds, its true. If Junius was known to be a good cook and his wife Mary a domestic capable of keeping the plantation`s owners children in line, then they were incredibly important and more valuable to keep together which always happened. Same thing with field workers. You can`t get much work out of someone separated from their family and unhappy. Much better to keep families together. Plus, most owners cared what happened to their slaves and their own children grew up side by side with them.
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so because one 'scientist' says something that fits a chosen agenda it becomes the general consensus?
well here's something that's hard to explain if this theory is correct.
"African immigrants have the highest educational attainment rates of all American ethnic groups, with higher levels of completion than the commonly stereotyped Asian American model minority.[37][38] Like most Asian Americans, black Africans migrated to America in the last few decades after the Jim crow/African American Civil Rights Movement era ended. Prior to the mid-1970s."
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if you're going that far back you may aswell say we're all n|ggers since we all originate from Africa ::)
typical jew conning and deception tactics ;)
;D
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so because one 'scientist' says something that fits a chosen agenda it becomes the general consensus?
well here's something that's hard to explain if this theory is correct.
"African immigrants have the highest educational attainment rates of all American ethnic groups, with higher levels of completion than the commonly stereotyped Asian American model minority.[37][38] Like most Asian Americans, black Africans migrated to America in the last few decades after the Jim crow/African American Civil Rights Movement era ended. Prior to the mid-1970s."
You're gonna have to provide a citation for that little gem as it runs contrary to literally the rest of the scientific evidence and my (and your) eyes.
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He is dead wrong as well. There never was or could have been a "breeding program" for many, many reasons, too numerous to list really. For one, economically, it would not make sense for starters.
Most slave owners did not own Tons of slaves. The majority just 1-5 (hardly a big gene pool to select from, which they didn`t bother to do anyway). On the bigger plantations you had hundreds (still not a big enough gene pool to select from and they didn`t select anyways), and then the Plantation Owners did not force breed at all. Instead, slaves were permitted to carry on as a normal family would and Plantation Owners always tried to keep families together. Slaves were permitted to marry whoever they wanted and owners recognized these marriages. There is a lot more to this aspect that would take forever to delve into.
Not only that, but the Phenotype does NOT determine a Genotype. Just because James was good with a pitch fork and plow does not automatically mean his son James Jr. would be equally adept. Also, there simply would be no way to identify positive alleles in such a short amount of time. There would be nothing to look for nor any scientific way of doing so.
Hope this helps and like I said, do a search. I have went into great detail on this elsewhere. The smaller and more skilled would be better. Less calories to feed them and they could actually do something.
The main thing any plantation owner looked for was work ethic and skill sets and work history (things you couldn`t breed for anyways). As amusing as that sounds, its true. If Junius was known to be a good cook and his wife Mary a domestic capable of keeping the plantation`s owners children in line, then they were incredibly important and more valuable to keep together which always happened. Same thing with field workers. You can`t get much work out of someone separated from their family and unhappy. Much better to keep families together. Plus, most owners cared what happened to their slaves and their own children grew up side by side with them.
Blacks were indirectly bred via survival of the fittest. Only the strongest survived the boat trip and subsequent abuse / labor. What did you think he meant they literally had breeding programs? Are you dumb / stupid / moronic?
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Blacks were indirectly bred via survival of the fittest. Only the strongest survived the boat trip and subsequent abuse / labor. What did you think he meant they literally had breeding programs? Are you dumb / stupid / moronic?
Moron. The ability to survive a boat trip has nothing to do with strength or a hardy constitutions. It just means they were able to survive a boat trip. You are dumb as a brick.
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Blacks were indirectly bred via survival of the fittest. Only the strongest survived the boat trip and subsequent abuse / labor. What did you think he meant they literally had breeding programs? Are you dumb / stupid / moronic?
ROFLMAO, "indirectly bred". By that juvenile rationale, everything and everyone is "indirectly bred" for survival. Otherwise you would have (should have) died in the womb or shortly after childbirth (what a shame you missed out).
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Naturalist Intelligence, Musical Intelligence, Logical-Mathematical Intelligence, Existential Intelligence, Interpersonal Intelligence, Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence, Linguistic Intelligence, Intra-personal Intelligence, Spatial Intelligence.
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You're gonna have to provide a citation for that little gem as it runs contrary to literally the rest of the scientific evidence and my (and your) eyes.
just google african immigrants education, i'm sure you will find plenty of sources to back it up.
"contrary to the rest of the scientific evidence"... two words...BULL.... i think you know the other one
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as a whole black people care less and seem more happy tho.
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as a whole black people care less and seem more happy tho.
suggesting that they are less intelligent.
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suggesting that they are less intelligent.
is the goal of life to be more happy or more intelligent? (I mean, ideally it's both, but if you had to choose.)
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You have 50% Banana DNA - are you going to tell me you have 0% Banana DNA?
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/evolution/what-is-the-evidence/morphology/dna-molecules/
The genes of organisms that look very different are surprisingly similar. For example, human DNA sequences are over 95% identical to chimpanzee sequences and around 50% identical to banana sequences.
You have to go back in time a long way to find a common ancestor between humans and bananas, but ultimately they have both emerged from the same family tree, the tree of life, and that is why they share common characteristics.
I'm more of a large banana, the rest of you chumps are part plantain.
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suggesting that they are less intelligent.
They indeed are, but will probably survive longer while the depressed white man slowly but surely disapear. Mankind is in its final days. There will be a new dark age with blacks muslims and chinese fighting over the ruins the exhausted white man who doesnt breed anymore leaves behind him.
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No whites or asians in this race - why? Is it genetics or culture?
(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-UA904_0805bo_G_20120805170407.jpg)
bingo....100%
but try and get anyone to admit it.... good luck with that
we have to all sit around, hold hands and sing that we are the same.....
NONSENSE... nature is NEVER the same
every type of animal has different God given traits yet different humans cant have different traits?
WTF?? ??? ???
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is the goal of life to be more happy or more intelligent? (I mean, ideally it's both, but if you had to choose.)
The more intelligent one is, the happier one can be. People with low intelligence, might be grinning idiots, however they are usual easily depressed and unhappy most of the time, because of their lack of intellect. For stupid people, happiness is fleeting, rather than a sustained satisfaction with one's self and life, that higher intelligence can provide a person.
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The more intelligent one is, the happier one can be. People with low intelligence, might be grinning idiots, however they are usual easily depressed and unhappy most of the time, because of their lack of intellect. For stupid people, happiness is fleeting, rather than a sustained satisfaction with one's self and life, that higher intelligence can provide a person.
no the more stupid you are the happier you are.
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no the more stupid you are the happier you are.
You only believe that because you are stupid.
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You only believe that because you are stupid.
Ignorance is bliss.
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Ignorance is bliss.
An old saying based on lack of intelligence.
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The more intelligent one is, the happier one can be. People with low intelligence, might be grinning idiots, however they are usual easily depressed and unhappy most of the time, because of their lack of intellect. For stupid people, happiness is fleeting, rather than a sustained satisfaction with one's self and life, that higher intelligence can provide a person.
well, how about we eliminate the morons out there, and compare those with average intelligence to the mental giants. wonder whether those who are considered geniuses commit suicide at a higher frequency than say the regular Joe types.
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Watson has repeatedly supported genetic screening and genetic engineering in public lectures and interviews, arguing that stupidity is a disease and the "really stupid" bottom 10% of people should be cured.[84] He has also suggested that beauty could be genetically engineered, saying in 2003, "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great."
Haha, this man has some great ideas :D
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You only believe that because you are stupid.
yes and im happier for it.
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well, how about we eliminate the morons out there, and compare those with average intelligence to the mental giants. wonder whether those who are considered geniuses commit suicide at a higher frequency than say the regular Joe types.
Average Joe's commit suicide much more often than geniuses do, because there are way more Average Joe's, than there are geniuses, in this world.
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yes and im happier for it.
Your lack of intellect, lead you to that false conclusion.
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Average Joe's commit suicide much more often than geniuses do, because there are way more Average Joe's, than there are geniuses, in this world.
what about proportionally, Einstein?
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what about proportionally, Einstein?
Still the same. Intelligent people have more to live for.
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Still the same. Intelligent people have more to live for.
tell that to these folks
http://www.popcrunch.com/15-geniuses-who-killed-themselves/
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ROFLMAO, "indirectly bred". By that juvenile rationale, everything and everyone is "indirectly bred" for survival. Otherwise you would have (should have) died in the womb or shortly after childbirth (what a shame you missed out).
No, you need to be corrected and educated with everything I see. The slaves were forced on to a boat with harsh conditions / poor feeding and only the strongest survived. This is after they survived the womb and childbirth. And the weaker blacks on the boats died off - even though they too survived the womb and childbirth. The strong ones bred and the result are what Michael Johnson referenced.
You're a moron, and foot stomping and temper tantrums will do nothing to change that fact.
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Your lack of intellect, lead you to that false conclusion.
its real to me
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The more intelligent one is, the happier one can be. People with low intelligence, might be grinning idiots, however they are usual easily depressed and unhappy most of the time, because of their lack of intellect. For stupid people, happiness is fleeting, rather than a sustained satisfaction with one's self and life, that higher intelligence can provide a person.
Unfortunately it is the opposite. Highly intelligent individuals suffer from depression and commit suicide more often. Dogs for example are generally very happy as long as they are treated well and their bellies full. They won't lament the hole they dug in the back yard that destroyed the lawn.
Maybe nature has a built-in mechanism that will destroy intelligent beings once a certain threshold is reached?
If the white race disappears I can see the human race devolving back to a more primitive state - in harmony with nature perhaps?
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tell that to these folks
http://www.popcrunch.com/15-geniuses-who-killed-themselves/
It is noteworthy when a genius commits suicide. When an Average Joe commits suicide, no one cares. As for your list, Turing was poisoned, and some of the artsy fartsy ones were famous, but not geniuses in my book. Hitler, was hardly a genius, and had little choice, as he was dead meat anyway.
If your assertion the geniuses kill themselves, more often than Average Joe's, was true, then your list of geniuses who committed suicide, would have been so much longer.
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intelligence is nature's way to punish people. its like "oh shit, i got intelligence, fuck!" shortest straw has been pulled for you.
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if Robin Williams wasn't a comedic genius but instead had the brains of say an Andrew Dice Clay, he'd still be alive today.
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intelligence and happiness is incompatible.
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intelligence and happiness is incompatible.
Like Wiggs & "black Jeezuss" :D
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Unfortunately it is the opposite. Highly intelligent individuals suffer from depression and commit suicide more often. Dogs for example are generally very happy as long as they are treated well and their bellies full. They won't lament the hole they dug in the back yard that destroyed the lawn.
Maybe nature has a built-in mechanism that will destroy intelligent beings once a certain threshold is reached?
If the white race disappears I can see the human race devolving back to a more primitive state - in harmony with nature perhaps?
You're wrong. Your lack of intelligence is representative of the primitive state that you mention.
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there is not a single example of a happy intelligent person anywhere. it is as rare as a unicorn.
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You're wrong. Your lack of intelligence is representative of the primitive state that you mention.
Well most people replying in this thread agree less intelligent people are more happy. Look at all the responses. Yes, there are exceptions for everything but in general that seems to be the case. Animals are not unhappy as long as they have food / comfort and able to survive. Intelligent humans on the other hand could have all these things and still be unhappy.
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if Robin Williams wasn't a comedic genius but instead had the brains of say an Andrew Dice Clay, he'd still be alive today.
haha-lmao!
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if we really cared about intelligence we wouldnt spend our time lifting weights, looking at random pictures or discuss ronnie coleman vs dorian yates.
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Well most people replying in this thread agree less intelligent people are more happy. Look at all the responses. Yes, there are exceptions for everything but in general that seems to be the case. Animals are not unhappy as long as they have food / comfort and able to survive. Intelligent humans on the other hand could have all these things and still be unhappy.
intelligent people know mankind is doomed ultimately, that it's just an animal specie that at one point wont be able to cope, adapt anymore or will destroy itself. Of course the average joe doesnt have a clue, he s too busy trying to survive daily. Only when he looses his job and wife leaves with kids does he start to reflect about the absurdity of life.
Also the only point of being intelligent is to fuck other people who are less intelligent.
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Well most people replying in this thread agree less intelligent people are more happy. Look at all the responses. Yes, there are exceptions for everything but in general that seems to be the case. Animals are not unhappy as long as they have food / comfort and able to survive. Intelligent humans on the other hand could have all these things and still be unhappy.
No, only the stupid have everything they need to survive and are unhappy. Look at all the unhappy, angry, malcontent, down right ungrateful, welfare bums, who's basic needs are provided for by a "caring" society.
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intelligent people know mankind is doomed ultimately, that it's just an animal specie that at one point wont be able to cope, adapt anymore or will destroy itself. Of course the average joe doesnt have a clue, he s too busy trying to survive daily. Only when he looses his job and wife leaves with kids does he start to reflect about the absurdity of life.
Also the only point of being intelligent is to fuck other people who are less intelligent.
Yeah, kind of lot of gettbigers. Pushing 40 and looking back on their life. ??? It's a cruel world out there.
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japan has among the highest iq rates in the world and suicide for men 20-44 is the leading cause of death.
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Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?
Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?
A cheetah is an entirely different species to a lion, of course genetics plays a part here. Its like saying does a bird fly instead of swim because of genetics. OF course it does!
However the issue of intelligence between Africans and other ethnic groups is entirely different. Firstly, we are all variations of the same species. One could make the argument of splitting the human species into distinct sub-species but that is not the point. There is no "gene" or group of "genes" that determines intelligence. Intelligence is a product of genetics in combination with specific rearing and learning behaviours and cultural background.
It is very difficult to develop a deep understanding of quantum mechanics when you don't have access to clean water or food and are suffering from malaria or are in the middle of a bloody civil war or a drought. Have some common sense.
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japan has among the highest iq rates in the world and suicide for men 20-44 is the leading cause of death.
I'm calling BS on that. One, Japan doesn't have the highest IQs in the world. and two, suicide isn't the leading cause of death for Japanese men between the ages of 22-44.
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You have 50% Banana DNA - are you going to tell me you have 0% Banana DNA?
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/evolution/what-is-the-evidence/morphology/dna-molecules/
The genes of organisms that look very different are surprisingly similar. For example, human DNA sequences are over 95% identical to chimpanzee sequences and around 50% identical to banana sequences.
You have to go back in time a long way to find a common ancestor between humans and bananas, but ultimately they have both emerged from the same family tree, the tree of life, and that is why they share common characteristics.
Those are two different things and you know it.
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I'm calling BS on that. One, Japan doesn't have the highest IQs in the world. and two, suicide isn't the leading cause of death for Japanese men between the ages of 22-44.
among the highest. google them both.
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I read somewhere that the people in northern regions had to adapt quickly to a very harsh climate which raised their "IQ"s. Looking at northern and southern countries - they are usually miles apart in terms of living quality and crime - illegals/criminal imports aside.
Africa is way behind the curve, not all of it(some regions seem prosperous), but as a whole it can't compare. China will drain it of all its goods - the yellow fever will be worse than Ebola.
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among the highest. google them both.
That invalidates your original post.
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It will be unlikely that we will ever know if Africans could have been as socially and economically advanced as Europeans, with all else being equal.
The facts are however that geographical and ecological conditions were the factors that allowed Europeans (and Eastern Asians to a large extent) to become more rapidly advanced in their technologies, cultures and societies all of which contributed significantly to an increase in "intelligence" as we typically define it in the Western world.
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It is very difficult to develop a deep understanding of quantum mechanics when you don't have access to clean water or food and are suffering from malaria or are in the middle of a bloody civil war or a drought. Have some common sense.
If they can't figure out how to get clean water or food they will never get to quantum mechanics period. You agree with me it is a matter of genetics. Yes, all the human races are part of the same species however each race has evolved over thousands of years with separate traits and attributes. To think otherwise is just plain naive. That's why you can't really expect blacks on average to function properly in a Caucasian society because there is a genetic difference. There are exceptions of course as always but on average no, sorry.
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Those are two different things and you know it.
You said you have zero % Jew DNA yet you have 50% banana DNA? Its not different - DNA is DNA. At the very least you have 99.999% the same DNA as any Pseudo or Real Jew on this planet.
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It will be unlikely that we will ever know if Africans could have been as socially and economically advanced as Europeans, with all else being equal.
The facts are however that geographical and ecological conditions were the factors that allowed Europeans (and Eastern Asians to a large extent) to become more rapidly advanced in their technologies, cultures and societies all of which contributed significantly to an increase in "intelligence" as we typically define it in the Western world.
Correct. The races developed as a function of their environment. Their genetics adapted to the surroundings. Evolution. Many predominant races on the planet are on different evolutionary paths and they are separated by tens of thousands of years. To think that this difference can just be wiped out in 100 years and we can all live happy together is moronic. So either one race yields and goes extinct or the races merge in one mongrel race. In both cases the result is less diversity.
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Correct. The races developed as a function of their environment. Their genetics adapted to the surroundings. Evolution. Many predominant races on the planet are on different evolutionary paths and they are separated by tens of thousands of years. To think that this difference can just be wiped out in 100 years and we can all live happy together is moronic. So either one race yields and goes extinct or the races merge in one mongrel race. In both cases the result is less diversity.
You are the moron who thinks humans were bred and alleles were selected for in less than 100 years which is an impossibility.
You are also not on the most intelligent list as your genetics dictate. I feel sorry for you as a fellow human.
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You are the moron who thinks humans were bred and alleles were selected for in less than 100 years which is an impossibility.
You are also not on the most intelligent list as your genetics dictate. I feel sorry for you as a fellow human.
Who says it was less than 100 years? And I have said before it was not literal breeding as you with your pea brain interpreted it. Only the strongest slaves survived and had children with other strong slaves that survived. It was not a natural selection process as would have occurred in Africa.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3290787/
African Americans (AfA) are residents of the United States with partial recent Sub-Saharan African ancestry. The majority of them are descendents of the Africans, probably 500,000 to 650,000 in number, who were forcibly brought to North America during the Middle Passage (Thomas 1999; Zakharia et al. 2009). However, many of those captive Africans died either during the Atlantic shipment to America due to the severe conditions, or soon upon their arrival in the New World as a result of exposure to foreign pathogens and/or the poor living conditions. Although the exact amount of life lost in this process remains a mystery, it may equal or exceed the actual amount enslaved (Stannard 1993). Therefore, the high mortality of AfA in the whole slavery era could be attributed to the overwhelming environmental challenges. These persistent selection pressures might make the frequencies of “beneficial” alleles increase continually, which should lead to higher population differentiation between African components of ancestry in AfA and indigenous Africans at these loci, in contrast to those evolved neutrally.
Meanwhile, before Africans and Europeans migrated to the New World, their ancestral parental populations had evolved independently in distinct environments for tens of thousands of years (Basu et al. 2008). The completely new environment in the New World constituted a challenge for both populations and the populations of their admixture. Therefore, it is very likely that some genomic regions in AfA show an excess of a particular ancestry as a result of selection pressures after the population admixture (Tang et al. 2007; Basu et al. 2008). For example, there are various studies in detecting signatures of selection in AfA by examining admixture proportion using a small number of available loci (Workman et al. 1963; Reed 1969; Blumberg and Hesser 1971; Adams and Ward 1973; Long 1991). Recently, Bryc et al. (2010) identified three autosomal regions showing excessive or reduced African ancestry (by at least three standard deviations [SD] of the mean) as natural selection candidates based on ∼500K SNPs genotyped in 365 AfA.
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You said you have zero % Jew DNA yet you have 50% banana DNA? Its not different - DNA is DNA. At the very least you have 99.999% the same DNA as any Pseudo or Real Jew on this planet.
That isn't what I said. I said my DNA tests show 0% Jewish. You brought up the absurd banana thing. Basically all life has certain things in common. I do have 3.2% Neanderthal though. 86% Scandinavian, 8% Irish/English, 6% Subsaharan African. No Jewish, No Asian, No Indian.