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Allegedly pulled a gun on the cops. Hebrews mad and ready to act a fool again.
Suspect dead.
Live stream on ustream.tv user stackizshort
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::)
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Actually in Berkley, Mo. Deceased hebrew's name is alleged to be Antonio Martin
He was 18 but the Press is probably asking his family if they have any pictures of him when he was 9 years old. They need a photo to run on the front page of the paper. Lebron James probably planning to write the name "Antonio" on his sneakers for the Cavs next game.
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::) yeah, cnn will zoom in and out a billion times using baby pics ::) ::)
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Stupid white bitch is the one doing the stream. Sounds like a total moron.
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maybe he should not have pulled a gun on cops.
people in my social feeds are calling this another "i cant breathe" but it's really not. Not at all.
prick pulling gun on cop, pricks gets killed. THis isn't a fat man selling smokes getting choked and it getting covered up in the report. not even close. This isn't a cop shooting mike brown at 150 to 170 feet and telling us it was only 10 or 20 feet. Completely different.
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Antonio falcons :'(
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Pull gun on cop = get shot.
Very simple concept regardless of race..
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maybe he should not have pulled a gun on cops.
people in my social feeds are calling this another "i cant breathe" but it's really not. Not at all.
prick pulling gun on cop, pricks gets killed. THis isn't a fat man selling smokes getting choked and it getting covered up in the report. not even close. This isn't a cop shooting mike brown at 150 to 170 feet and telling us it was only 10 or 20 feet. Completely different.
Shooting Michael Brown at 150 feet? Ever heard of forensics, dumbass?
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The main stream media is trying their best to foment a race/civil war.
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maybe he should not have pulled a gun on cops.
people in my social feeds are calling this another "i cant breathe" but it's really not. Not at all.
prick pulling gun on cop, pricks gets killed. THis isn't a fat man selling smokes getting choked and it getting covered up in the report. not even close. This isn't a cop shooting mike brown at 150 to 170 feet and telling us it was only 10 or 20 feet. Completely different.
You only dabble in the truth.
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Actually in Berkley, Mo. Deceased hebrew's name is alleged to be Antonio Martin
He was 18 but the Press is probably asking his family if they have any pictures of him when he was 9 years old. They need a photo to run on the front page of the paper. Lebron James probably planning to write the name "Antonio" on his sneakers for the Cavs next game.
fuck you, i just spilt coffee on my pants thanks to that ahahahahhahahaah.
not one NBA player wore a NYPD shirt. not happy bout that. Im not even from the US
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If i was in LA and pulled a gun on anyone i would be shocked if no one shot me.
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Shooting Michael Brown at 150 feet? Ever heard of forensics, dumbass?
The cop said he stumbled out of the car, walked 10 to 20 feet, and had to fire upon Brown. That made it seems like more of a continuation of the brutal attack which was justifiable to waste that fckig bully.
In reality, the cop Wilson was 150 feet from his car when he fired his weapon. The shoot was justified, but it was definitely not a part of the car attack incident.
Fudging a little detail like this is a big deal. He "accidentally" left out walking the distance of half a football field before shooting the man. He was either highly disoriented. Or he was bullllshitting to connect the two shoots more. Either way, we have to question a lot about his statement suddenly - including the "radio malfunction" explaining why he never called in the shooting as per procedure.
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The cop said he stumbled out of the car, walked 10 to 20 feet, and had to fire upon Brown. That made it seems like more of a continuation of the brutal attack which was justifiable to waste that fckig bully.
In reality, the cop Wilson was 150 feet from his car when he fired his weapon. The shoot was justified, but it was definitely not a part of the car attack incident.
Fudging a little detail like this is a big deal. He "accidentally" left out walking the distance of half a football field before shooting the man. He was either highly disoriented. Or he was bullllshitting to connect the two shoots more. Either way, we have to question a lot about his statement suddenly - including the "radio malfunction" explaining why he never called in the shooting as per procedure.
Good point. Police officers should let criminals who violently assault store owners and cops avoid arrest by letting them walk away. Or are you still watching The purge?
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I guess your premise is to stir up anger again.....but the fact is I have never seen black peiople become angry when the person attacking a cop was armed......
TRY AGAIN
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It shows that law and order works as intended.
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The cop said he stumbled out of the car, walked 10 to 20 feet, and had to fire upon Brown. That made it seems like more of a continuation of the brutal attack which was justifiable to waste that fckig bully.
In reality, the cop Wilson was 150 feet from his car when he fired his weapon. The shoot was justified, but it was definitely not a part of the car attack incident.
Fudging a little detail like this is a big deal. He "accidentally" left out walking the distance of half a football field before shooting the man. He was either highly disoriented. Or he was bullllshitting to connect the two shoots more. Either way, we have to question a lot about his statement suddenly - including the "radio malfunction" explaining why he never called in the shooting as per procedure.
Fuck you and your idiotic bullshit.
You want to "question a lot", then question the fucking dead beat, crack addict, welfare leaching parents of the fucking thug committing the crimes.
Fuck Michael Brown, fuck Al Sharpton, and fuck you too. Idiots of a fucking feather sticking together.
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Good. Good riddance to another animal. I hope the cops nation wide use NY and kill off hundreds of these criminal animals.
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Of course the protesters will ignore that a gun was pulled on the cop and a gun was recovered...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/24/st-louis-county-police-officer-kills-man-who-pulled-gun-authorities-say/?intcmp=latestnews
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Of course the protesters will ignore that a gun was pulled on the cop and a gun was recovered...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/24/st-louis-county-police-officer-kills-man-who-pulled-gun-authorities-say/?intcmp=latestnews
not true.....the protest is about UNARMED individuals...you're trying to link two different issues to assuage your own racist nonsense
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maybe he should not have pulled a gun on cops.
people in my social feeds are calling this another "i cant breathe" but it's really not. Not at all.
prick pulling gun on cop, pricks gets killed. THis isn't a fat man selling smokes getting choked and it getting covered up in the report. not even close. This isn't a cop shooting mike brown at 150 to 170 feet and telling us it was only 10 or 20 feet. Completely different.
Change your feeds.
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another white cop i presume
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not true.....the protest is about UNARMED individuals...you're trying to link two different issues to assuage your own racist nonsense
Bullshit. They've used every dead black in recent history to arrive at this supposed "outrage," circumstances totally ignored until this Ferguson piece of shit.
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another white cop i presume
asshole pulled a gun...does it matter what the race of the cop is?
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Another nig down for being a thug. Not a loss for society, so why is it even news worthy?
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asshole pulled a gun...does it matter what the race of the cop is?
Of course it does, silly. Why you playing stupid?
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asshole pulled a gun...does it matter what the race of the cop is?
Both shootings were justified.
I already see the Hebrews making excuses for this one as well: "Da cops bwas messin wit him. He just tribed to get up and run and dey darted zshootin at dim fo noe reezun. Dis don`t make no kinda senz. He body bee bleeding 2 hourz in da parking lot now."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-shot-man-missouri-body-cam-activated/story?id=27813137
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Some are claiming it is that ole white trickery again at play -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5opCL8CcAAuuFr.jpg).
I'm also seeing the old saw about tazers, etc.... ::).
And then there's this -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5of3u3CYAAVDVO.jpg).
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I guess your premise is to stir up anger again.....but the fact is I have never seen black peiople become angry when the person attacking a cop was armed......
TRY AGAIN
well add it to your list now dumb fuck
I would think throwing bricks, explosives and fighting with cops would raise to the level of blacks becoming angry, yea?
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maybe he should not have pulled a gun on cops.
people in my social feeds are calling this another "i cant breathe" but it's really not. Not at all.
prick pulling gun on cop, pricks gets killed. THis isn't a fat man selling smokes getting choked and it getting covered up in the report. not even close. This isn't a cop shooting mike brown at 150 to 170 feet and telling us it was only 10 or 20 feet. Completely different.
Says a lot about you bro that the people in your newsfeed are all that type.
Another ghetto worthless Obama son and pos donezo - good
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dude pulled out a 9mm. end of story. why are people protesting this? if he did this in the hood, a dealer would have capped him.
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dude pulled out a 9mm. end of story. why are people protesting this? if he did this in the hood, a dealer would have capped him.
white cop...
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dude pulled out a 9mm. end of story. why are people protesting this? if he did this in the hood, a dealer would have capped him.
Because 95% of the American public is emotional, irrational and cannot think critically.
People are being played by the main stream media. The MSN causes ALL of the racial tension in the US. Divide and conquer has always been the goal, and they do a fine job of it.
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shot dead for pulling a gun on an officer goooooooooood the mother should by slaped behind the head for raising an idiot
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See, I'm all for the cop Wilson wasting mike brown at his car, and I think the shoot at 20 feet away (150 feet from the car) was probably justified too.
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The cop did tell us it was 10 to 20 feet, and it was actually 150 feet. That's a big deal. It becomes two incidents. It becomes an attack at the car - what is essentially a foot chase - and THEN a 2nd attack, where the unarmed wounded Brown was charging the cop. Now, if you want to say the shoot at that spot was justified, I won't argue it. The cop could have used non-deadly options, given the distance, but he didn't, and I've said from minute #1, this was probably a legal shoot.
BUT the shit that everyone is doing - trying to say they were one incident, that it was a justified shoot because Brown was reaching in window, etc. THAT IS BULLSHIT. It was 2 seperate shoots. And unless you're cool with police "merging" events on YOUR ass lol, then you should agree it's bullshit too.
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dude pulled out a 9mm. end of story. why are people protesting this? if he did this in the hood, a dealer would have capped him.
Pulling a gun on a cop=bad
Robbing a store, assaulting a cop by hitting him in the face and hitting him with a car door, then grabbing for his gun= He didn`t do nuffin wrong.
Got it.
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Let's suppose 240 got punched in the face a few times (probably had it coming lol) at the parking lot at SuperWalmart arguing with some prick with a Palin bumper sticker.
Then the guy runs. I chase him. I catch him 150 feet away. I put 6 bullets in his unarmed ass, including TWO headshots.
Now, I can argue he was beating my ass in my car, and yes, that's a legal shoot. BUT once he flees, and I chase him down to finish the job lol...
Well, at the very least, let's separate the two incidents. The attack at the car doesn't justify the shooting taking place 50 freaking yards away.
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Let's suppose 240 got punched in the face a few times (probably had it coming lol) at the parking lot at SuperWalmart arguing with some prick with a Palin bumper sticker.
Then the guy runs. I chase him. I catch him 150 feet away. I put 6 bullets in his unarmed ass, including TWO headshots.
Now, I can argue he was beating my ass in my car, and yes, that's a legal shoot. BUT once he flees, and I chase him down to finish the job lol...
Well, at the very least, let's separate the two incidents. The attack at the car doesn't justify the shooting taking place 50 freaking yards away.
"To finish the job"
These narratives of Robs where these guys have the exact same mindset of a mafia hit man are just straight comedy.
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Internet troll quoted as major source -
http://www.mediaite.com/online/huffpost-duped-by-twitter-prankster-claiming-he-witnessed-antonio-martin-shooting/ .
https://twitter.com/desjuanthethug
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ocEIhCYAEGaDs.jpg:large).
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"To finish the job"
These narratives of Robs where these guys have the exact same mindset of a mafia hit man are just straight comedy.
lol ok, we'll remove that part. But do you see the point I'm making? ALl we heard about was the vicious attack in the car, and dude was already winged and getting life in prison for that attack.
What happened in the car has zero bearing once it becomes a foot chase and moves 150 feet.
ALSO, the fact the cop failed to call in the shooting, used deadly force as the first option on a man that was over 20 feet away and wounded, and either misjudged distance to the point of incompetency/mental incapacitation - or lied about...
Well those things add up. The shoot was legal, but him giving 10 to 20 feet is a dealbreaker to me. He's either injured, incompetent, or lying, and all 3 of them affect his statement. And no radio... yikes?
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Says a lot about you bro that the people in your newsfeed are all that type.
LOL! You spend 1-2 hours a day debating with obama loving liberals on getbig. Says a little about you too lol! :)
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See, I'm all for the cop Wilson wasting mike brown at his car, and I think the shoot at 20 feet away (150 feet from the car) was probably justified too.
BUT
The cop did tell us it was 10 to 20 feet, and it was actually 150 feet. That's a big deal. It becomes two incidents. It becomes an attack at the car - what is essentially a foot chase - and THEN a 2nd attack, where the unarmed wounded Brown was charging the cop. Now, if you want to say the shoot at that spot was justified, I won't argue it. The cop could have used non-deadly options, given the distance, but he didn't, and I've said from minute #1, this was probably a legal shoot.
BUT the shit that everyone is doing - trying to say they were one incident, that it was a justified shoot because Brown was reaching in window, etc. THAT IS BULLSHIT. It was 2 seperate shoots. And unless you're cool with police "merging" events on YOUR ass lol, then you should agree it's bullshit too.
that 150 feet is the body from the suv lets get your facts right
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that 150 feet is the body from the suv lets get your facts right
Link? I thought body was 172 feet, cop was 152 feet? Set me straight, please.
Either way, it was not 10 or 20 feet. Huge exaggeration there to minimize the distance.
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(http://)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Michael_Brown_shooting_scene_diagram.svg/1190px-Michael_Brown_shooting_scene_diagram.svg.png
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Let's suppose 240 got punched in the face a few times (probably had it coming lol) at the parking lot at SuperWalmart arguing with some prick with a Palin bumper sticker.
Then the guy runs. I chase him. I catch him 150 feet away. I put 6 bullets in his unarmed ass, including TWO headshots.
Now, I can argue he was beating my ass in my car, and yes, that's a legal shoot. BUT once he flees, and I chase him down to finish the job lol...
Well, at the very least, let's separate the two incidents. The attack at the car doesn't justify the shooting taking place 50 freaking yards away.
Yes it does and the law supports it. You are also leaving out the part where Michael Brown came running back towards Wilson. Police officers are also automatically authorized, based on training in most states, including Missouri, to use deadly force if a suspect tries to grab the officer’s gun.
Tennessee v. Garner. In the 1985 case, the court concluded that police officers could shoot if they had probable cause to believe the person was a violent felon and posed a significant threat of death or serious harm to the community.
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Link? I thought body was 172 feet, cop was 152 feet? Set me straight, please.
Either way, it was not 10 or 20 feet. Huge exaggeration there to minimize the distance.
It could be 2000 feet and it still would be justified according to law.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/parents-of-antonio-martin-say-his-fatal-shooting-doesn-t/article_fdcc9659-905c-5472-b5dd-66f5d36c6fba.html
The shitbags mom tells the press that despite multiple robbery and assault charges "he a good boy he dindonuttin"
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All this in the last year:
Police say the man shot had a criminal record, with charges including three assaults, armed robbery, armed criminal action and multiple uses of weapons since he was 17.
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It could be 2000 feet and it still would be justified according to law.
Do all policemen have the right to shoot at any person that runs at them, at any time?
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Do all policemen have the right to shoot at any person that runs at them, at any time?
If they pose a threat? Yes.
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Do all policemen have the right to shoot at any person that runs at them, at any time?
Yes since most likely they are Obama voters - so less Obama voters = good. Mow these animals down ;)
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Do all policemen have the right to shoot at any person that runs at them, at any time?
let's just stick to this case
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let's just stick to this case
I think everyone agrees, this new d-bag deserved the bullet. You pull a gun on cop, citizen, whatever, you get blasted. Pretty cut and dry.
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I think everyone agrees, this new d-bag deserved the bullet. You pull a gun on cop, citizen, whatever, you get blasted. Pretty cut and dry.
and so wasn't the brown case
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All this in the last year:
nah mang you got it all wrong, he was just trying to run away
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dude pulled out a 9mm. end of story. why are people protesting this? if he did this in the hood, a dealer would have capped him.
Silliest thing I've read in a while. Because they're irrational, angry, self-deluded thugs and apologists, guy. You seriously didn't understand this before posting?
Not related to latest shooting, but still, this chick gets it:
http://www.surenews.com/controversial/shes-back-this-time-with-a-blistering-tirade-against-sharpton-obama-and-de-blasio/
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he was just a gentle not so giant :D
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Belmar said he spoke to several young people protesting at the scene who questioned why the officer did not use a Taser or Mace pepper spray to incapacitate the suspect, rather than a firearm ::).
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not true.....the protest is about UNARMED individuals...you're trying to link two different issues to assuage your own racist nonsense
Name ONE thing that I said that was racist? I'll be waiting for your left-wing bullshit Sharpton answer.
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Pull gun on cop = get shot.
Very simple concept regardless of race..
You can't get much clearer than this ^^^
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Name ONE thing that I said that was racist? I'll be waiting for your left-wing bullshit Sharpton answer.
Wasting your time, Coach.
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Blurry video, but at 0:55 you can clearly see the Hebrew raise a gun and point it at the cop
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People are so stupid. Don't people realize when the media shows all those pre-teen and child pics a billion times phasing in and out it's to vilify the cop? What does a family video of jr. taking his first steps as a toddler and falling on his butt have to do with anything? Then they will keep repeating some old child video a million times... awww... so cute... and people think in their mind "evil white devil" ::) ::) ::) ::) The media is brain washing people to hate.
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People are so stupid. Don't people realize when the media shows all those pre-teen and child pics a billion times phasing in and out it's to vilify the cop? What does a family video of jr. taking his first steps as a toddler and falling on his butt have to do with anything? Then they will keep repeating some old child video a million times... awww... so cute... and people think in their mind "evil white devil" ::) ::) ::) ::) The media is brain washing people to hate.
It happens on the flip side also when they find the worse pics of kids being kids and use it to vilify them. Internet posters are really good for this. You can't take a couple pictures under which circumstances you don't know they were taken and use them to sum up a persons life. This goes both ways. Yet people fall or it, either way and use the pictures opposing their ideas as ammunition in their argument.
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Why couldn't the cop shoot the gun out of his hand?
If I was that cop, I would have timed my shot as the young man raised his hand. At that moment, I would have shot the weapon out of his hand, then run over to him and put him in an arm bar. I would have subdued him with this arm bar, cuff him, and take him into the station.
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Why couldn't the cop shoot the gun out of his hand?
If I was that cop, I would have timed my shot as the young man raised his hand. At that moment, I would have shot the weapon out of his hand, then run over to him and put him in an arm bar. I would have subdued him with this arm bar, cuff him, and take him into the station.
They are training to shoot to kill.
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It happens on the flip side also when they find the worse pics of kids being kids and use it to vilify them. Internet posters are really good for this. You can't take a couple pictures under which circumstances you don't know they were taken and use them to sum up a persons life. This goes both ways. Yet people fall or it, either way and use the pictures opposing their ideas as ammunition in their argument.
pictures of idiots pointing guns at cameras while drinking and doing drugs are very hard to take out of context wiggs.
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They are training to shoot to kill.
I would have used precision point shooting to shoot him in the tendon that assists in his grip. Once that tendon is ruptured by my shot, he would have let go of the gun.
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Why couldn't the cop shoot the gun out of his hand?
If I was that cop, I would have timed my shot as the young man raised his hand. At that moment, I would have shot the weapon out of his hand, then run over to him and put him in an arm bar. I would have subdued him with this arm bar, cuff him, and take him into the station.
:)
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pictures of idiots pointing guns at cameras while drinking and doing drugs are very hard to take out of context wiggs.
If doing pot is doing drugs, you're wrong. Although I don't agree with it, a teenager or young person and marijuana happens millions of times a year. People taking stupid pictures happens millions of times per day.
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I would have used precision point shooting to shoot him in the tendon that assists in his grip. Once that tendon is ruptured by my shot, he would have let go of the gun.
Not sure if I'm being trolled or not.
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not true.....the protest is about UNARMED individuals...you're trying to link two different issues to assuage your own racist nonsense
Are you saying the savages will side with the cops on this one??
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Not sure if I'm being trolled or not.
Seriously?
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Seriously?
I've seen Getbiggers make bigger claims and believe it.
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They are training to shoot to kill.
Clint Eastwood would have shot the gun out of his hand... thus removing the threat. Then, if said individual went for the gun, Clint would shoot the gun out of harms way. Then, for good measure, Clint would have made said individual dance to teach him a lesson. After he learned his lesson... Clint would tell him to get of of town and not to come around here again. 8)
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Police say the man shot had a criminal record, with charges including three assaults, armed robbery, armed criminal action and multiple uses of weapons since he was 17.
He seemed a decent well round young man.. ::)
Was probably reaching to hand over his gun to the police.
Being the kind considerate person his Mum believes he is.
Live by the Gun Die by the Gun.
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Looks like Santa forgot to take down his stocking lol
I truly don't think these savages realize how every other race laughs at them ;D
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Police say the man shot had a criminal record, with charges including three assaults, armed robbery, armed criminal action and multiple uses of weapons since he was 17.
He seemed a decent well round young man.. ::)
Was probably reaching to hand over his gun to the police.
Being the kind considerate person his Mum believes he is.
Live by the Gun Die by the Gun.
LOL ;D
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I've seen Getbiggers make bigger claims and believe it.
getbiggers can accomplish anything they put their mind to!!
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If doing pot is doing drugs, you're wrong. Although I don't agree with it, a teenager or young person and marijuana happens millions of times a year. People taking stupid pictures happens millions of times per day.
agreed, how many of those millions have a picture of a guy pointing a gun at the camera?
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Looks like Santa forgot to take down his stocking lol
I truly don't think these savages realize how every other race laughs at them ;D
LOL "Black" Santa Claus
Even when I was 5 years old seeing those pictures i knew it was bullshit. :D
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agreed, how many of those millions have a picture of a guy pointing a gun at the camera?
Any young punk trying to act like a badass and there's no shortage of those in this country.
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Wings on Nigs.
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Any young punk trying to act like a badass and there's no shortage of those in this country.
ok so doing drugs is ok, handling guns and acting like a "bad ass" is ok.
When do they cross over from being the "gentle giants" and "good kids" to being shit heads?
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Any young punk trying to act like a badass and there's no shortage of those in this country.
There may be a shortage soon at the Rate they are Getting Killed.
Don't Be a 'Badass' ::) even more so With a gun.
Or you won't BE anything but Dead.
Regardless of race or Colour.
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The very first Santa Clause was Black, Fact! :D
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ok so doing drugs is ok, handling guns and acting like a "bad ass" is ok.
When do they cross over from being the "gentle giants" and "good kids" to being shit heads?
I never said it was ok. I said it happens and it happens in large numbers. Everyone is different. If I'm disprected by a youth of any color, I'll probably deemed them a shit head. But I'm black so they'll treat me different than a white male.
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I never said it was ok. I said it happens and it happens in large numbers. Everyone is different. If I'm disprected by a youth of any color, I'll probably deemed them a shit head. But I'm black so they'll treat me different than a white male.
ok well you have basically said that they shouldnt be villified for those actions, so when should the begin to be villified?
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ok well you have basically said that they shouldnt be villified for those actions, so when should the begin to be villified?
When they commit crimes. Like in this story. If everything is as it is being reported and that video is authentic, then it is ok.
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When they commit crimes. Like in this story. If everything is as it is being reported and that video is authentic, then it is ok.
so up until they pull a gun on a cop they are just kids being kids?
This piece of shit had a long wrap shit, mike brown had just robbed a store, trayvon martin was found with stolen goods on him...
There is a common thread and it goes like this: dumb ass kid commits criminal acts, dumb ass kid puts himself in a situation where he gets killed (99% of the time justifiably so), family comes out and says they were a "good kid", those who point out he wasnt are called racist.
Sorry wiggs, if youre doing drugs and fucking about doing shit you shouldnt be doing like handling guns, stealing, robbing whatever your a dumb ass and you deserved to villified.
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Just to be clear - to make sure we're not all beating the same dead horse...
have ANY getbiggers come fwd and said the cop wasn't 100% right to waste the kid last night?
LOL I haven't seen any quotes yet.
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so up until they pull a gun on a cop they are just kids being kids?
This piece of shit had a long wrap shit, mike brown had just robbed a store, trayvon martin was found with stolen goods on him...
There is a common thread and it goes like this: dumb ass kid commits criminal acts, dumb ass kid puts himself in a situation where he gets killed (99% of the time justifiably so), family comes out and says they were a "good kid", those who point out he wasnt are called racist.
Sorry wiggs, if youre doing drugs and fucking about doing shit you shouldnt be doing like handling guns, stealing, robbing whatever your a dumb ass and you deserved to villified.
You asked me for my opinion as Wiggs, you didn't ask me for my opinion as Officer Wiggins. If I was Officer Wiggins, I wouldn't vilify anyone. You're mixing arguments together. No it's not 99% justified. This is a lie. And your common "theme", is a gross exaggeration. Referencing your last sentence, I disagree with handling guns statement, everything else I agree.
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You asked me for my opinion as Wiggs, you didn't ask me for my opinion as Officer Wiggins. If I was Officer Wiggins, I wouldn't vilify anyone. You're mixing arguments together. No it's not 99% justified. This is a lie. And your common "theme", is a gross exaggeration. Referencing your last sentence, I disagree with handling guns statement, everything else I agree.
It seems like scenarios are being mixed up. Past criminal behavior is not a justification for wasting someone if they are currently not breaking the law. However, past criminal behavior may dictate current actions, as I believe there are high rates of recidivism for people who have committed one crime (people who commit one crime, are at a greater risk of committing another crime).
I think mixing up the issues is not a good way to go about it. What needs to be looked at is the current situation and what went down in that particular scenario.
Discussing past crime and recidivism and current actions of police is a different topic, i.e., cops may be more apt to shoot someone based on perceived past criminal behavior, which may dictate their current action.
Granted, the two topics are overlapping.
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You asked me for my opinion as Wiggs, you didn't ask me for my opinion as Officer Wiggins. If I was Officer Wiggins, I wouldn't vilify anyone. You're mixing arguments together. No it's not 99% justified. This is a lie. And your common "theme", is a gross exaggeration. Referencing your last sentence, I disagree with handling guns statement, everything else I agree.
It happens on the flip side also when they find the worse pics of kids being kids and use it to vilify them. Internet posters are really good for this. You can't take a couple pictures under which circumstances you don't know they were taken and use them to sum up a persons life. This goes both ways. Yet people fall or it, either way and use the pictures opposing their ideas as ammunition in their argument.
This dip shit deserved to be vilified, mike brown deserved to be vilified, trayvon martin deserved to be villified.
Eric Garner was a dumb ass, he shouldnt have died though.
sorry wiggs in this world some people are just fucking trash and not productive members of society and yes those people should be vilifed
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I've seen Getbiggers make bigger claims and believe it.
This is fucking ironic coming from you ;D
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It seems like scenarios are being mixed up. Past criminal behavior is not a justification for wasting someone if they are currently not breaking the law. However, past criminal behavior may dictate current actions, as I believe there are high rates of recidivism for people who have committed one crime (people who commit one crime, are at a greater risk of committing another crime).
I think mixing up the issues is not a good way to go about it. What needs to be looked at is the current situation and what went down in that particular scenario.
Discussing past crime and recidivism and current actions of police is a different topic, i.e., cops may be more apt to shoot someone based on perceived past criminal behavior, which may dictate their current action.
Granted, the two topics are overlapping.
past behavior when taken into account with current behavior is more than enough to get a accurate picture of what type of person they are dealing with.
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I never said it was ok. I said it happens and it happens in large numbers. Everyone is different. If I'm disprected by a youth of any color, I'll probably deemed them a shit head. But I'm black so they'll treat me different than a white male.
Report them to non white Jeezzuss :D
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past behavior when taken into account with current behavior is more than enough to get a accurate picture of what type of person they are dealing with.
Did you read my statement? I stated that recidivism rates are probably higher for first offenders, when compared to someone who never committed a crime. And I stated that past behavior may dictate current behavior. Calm down, breathe, and read my statement again.
The problem occurs when police officers have a specific cognitive schema about past offenders and race, i.e., if they are black and have committed one crime, then this means they will do it again. This can lead to erroneous arrests and abuse of power.
As stated, they are separate issues, but also overlap.
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If I pulled someone over and when I run their name and see 2nd degree murder or assault with intent to kill or assault on a law enforcement, the whole stop would be with my hand on the gun at all times.
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If I pulled someone over and when I run their name and see 2nd degree murder or assault with intent to kill or assault on a law enforcement, the whole stop would be with my hand on the gun at all times.
Obviously.
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Did you read my statement? I stated that recidivism rates are probably higher for first offenders, when compared to someone who never committed a crime. And I stated that past behavior may dictate current behavior. Calm down, breathe, and read my statement again.
The problem occurs when police officers have a specific cognitive schema about past offenders and race, i.e., if they are black and have committed one crime, then this means they will do it again. This can lead to erroneous arrests and abuse of power.
As stated, they are separate issues, but also overlap.
Yes. This is correct. Although, I'd say it does lead to racial profiling, abuse of power, erroneous arrests and unjustifiable murder.
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Did you read my statement? I stated that recidivism rates are probably higher for first offenders, when compared to someone who never committed a crime. And I stated that past behavior may dictate current behavior. Calm down, breathe, and read my statement again.
The problem occurs when police officers have a specific cognitive schema about past offenders and race, i.e., if they are black and have committed one crime, then this means they will do it again. This can lead to erroneous arrests and abuse of power.
As stated, they are separate issues, but also overlap.
my quotation of your post was for wiggs benefit, now take your own advice their junior and breath...
and yes it is a very very very seperate issue. Everyone uses those cognitive processes, they are called stereotyping. i.e. when a black person see's misleading headlines mischaracterizing police justified actions as abuse and then feel they will be abused.
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Yes. This is correct. Although, I'd say it does lead to racial profiling, abuse of power, and erroneous arrests.
Wiggs, do you ever get tired of the way many African Americans respond to situations like these?
They don't care about the circumstances or the facts , they just want to protest/riot and complain that they are always being abused.
It's automatically whitey's or the cops fault, no matter what.
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my quotation of your post was for wiggs benefit, now take your own advice their junior and breath...
and yes it is a very very very seperate issue. Everyone uses those cognitive processes, they are called stereotyping. i.e. when a black person see's misleading headlines mischaracterizing police justified actions as abuse and then feel they will be abused.
The way my joints feel after a workout, i don't feel like a "junior" any more. :-\ :-\
Exactly. And we know that our emotions and cognitions are not always the best representation of reality.
Similarly, a black person may have a cognitive schema about a police officer that is not true (i.e., he is a white officer and will automatically give me problems), which may lead to hostile feelings and inappropriate behavior, resulting in an arrest or other actions.
And the cycle continues.
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If I pulled someone over and when I run their name and see 2nd degree murder or assault with intent to kill or assault on a law enforcement, the whole stop would be with my hand on the gun at all times.
You run the risk of offending them and the community by doing so.
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Why couldn't the cop shoot the gun out of his hand?
If I was that cop, I would have timed my shot as the young man raised his hand. At that moment, I would have shot the weapon out of his hand, then run over to him and put him in an arm bar. I would have subdued him with this arm bar, cuff him, and take him into the station.
This ain't the wild west hoss.
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The way my joints feel after a workout, i don't feel like a "junior" any more. :-\ :-\
Exactly. And we know that our emotions and cognitions are not always the best representation of reality.
Similarly, a black person may have a cognitive schema about a police officer that is not true (i.e., he is a white officer and will automatically give me problems), which may lead to hostile feelings and inappropriate behavior, resulting in an arrest or other actions.
And the cycle continues.
Your endless trolling is a bit too subtle for some of the dimmer bulbs on Getbig.
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Clint Eastwood would have shot the gun out of his hand... thus removing the threat. Then, if said individual went for the gun, Clint would shoot the gun out of harms way. Then, for good measure, Clint would have made said individual dance to teach him a lesson. After he learned his lesson... Clint would tell him to get of of town and not to come around here again. 8)
Clint is no ordinary man...
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It happens on the flip side also when they find the worse pics of kids being kids and use it to vilify them. Internet posters are really good for this. You can't take a couple pictures under which circumstances you don't know they were taken and use them to sum up a persons life. This goes both ways. Yet people fall or it, either way and use the pictures opposing their ideas as ammunition in their argument.
Wiggs, you know the bullshit game the media, Obama, Holder, Sharpton, and liberals are playing. We saw countless interviews with Mike Brown's piece of shit mother screaming about no parent should have to lose their child.
Well screw her, Officer Darren Wilson has a mother too. And she should be able to expect her child won't die doing his job because some thug doesn't want to obey the law.
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Your endless trolling is a bit too subtle for some of the dimmer bulbs on Getbig.
??? ??? ???
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??? ??? ???
I'd pay money to watch you shoot the gun out of Juruth's hand.
Knowuddimsayin?
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Wiggs, you know the bullshit game the media, Obama, Holder, Sharpton, and liberals are playing. We saw countless interviews with Mike Brown's piece of shit mother screaming about no parent should have to lose their child.
Well screw her, Officer Darren Wilson has a mother too. And she should be able to expect her child won't die doing his job because some thug doesn't want to obey the law.
Well said.
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I'd pay money to watch you shoot the gun out of Juruth's hand.
Knowuddimsayin?
After that, I'd frisk Juruth in ways he never imagined possible.
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After that, I'd frisk Juruth in ways he never imagined possible.
I'd caution you on underestimating Juruth's imagination.
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It's Okay, lebron James will wear a "Antonio" shirt before his next game.
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Looks like Santa forgot to take down his stocking lol
I truly don't think these savages realize how every other race laughs at them ;D
yep i work with a bunch of mexicans and they see a group of blacks and laugh and say "look they are from ferguson"... they joke around when someones being lazy, not doing anything and they say "your from ferguson".. quite funny considering they are all mexican
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You run the risk of offending them and the community by doing so.
I think the silent majority from America's bread basket has spoken.
Time to take this country back from this last 6 years of liberal bullshit.
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black people on twitter are not happy.
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black people on twitter are not happy.
Are they asking for reparations for slavery again now?
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black people on twitter are not happy.
They never are.
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Are they asking for reparations for slavery again now?
No, he was a sweet kid with a criminal record linked to guns
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Looks like a perfectly clean shoot yesterday. BUT the cop has to do some shit like this. You're in the national spotlight, a city of riots, danger everywhere, and you don't turn on the new body cams that were brought it to bring clarity to shootings? Reminds me of that other Missouri cop that "accidentally" turned off his camera for 3 shooting incidents lol.
Police Officer Who Shot Man in Missouri Did Not Have Body Cam Activated
Source: ABC News
By MEGHAN KENEALLY and PAUL H.B. SHIN
The police officer who shot and killed a man on Tuesday in Berkeley, Missouri, was given a body camera but it was not activated at the time of the shooting, officials said today.
The shooting sparked new unrest in a region already reeling following an August police shooting a few miles away in Ferguson. About 200 to 300 protesters gathered at the gas station where Tuesday night's shooting happened.
When asked whether he was concerned that the officer's body cam was not activated, Berkeley Mayor Theodore Hoskins said he was "not concerned."
"At this point it's relatively new," Hoskins said of the body cameras. "We only have three , so if it had been six months from today and we had gone through all the training I would have some concerns."
FULL story at link.
Surveillance video: http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/surveillance-video-released-missouri-shooting-27810540
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-shot-man-missouri-body-cam-activated/story?id=27813137
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Dash cam was off because the cop didn't activate the lights to turn it on. Bummer, but it happens. The lack of body cam being activated - that's not cool. You're in the middle of the closest thing to a warzone there is on US soil right now - and you are the target of idiots all over the nation. Now we have to rely upon a scratchy gas station video in the dark now? unreal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/24/antonio-martin-body-camera_n_6377626.html
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Dash cam was off because the cop didn't activate the lights to turn it on. Bummer, but it happens. The lack of body cam being activated - that's not cool. You're in the middle of the closest thing to a warzone there is on US soil right now - and you are the target of idiots all over the nation. Now we have to rely upon a scratchy gas station video in the dark now? unreal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/24/antonio-martin-body-camera_n_6377626.html
So you posting this is really your way of spinning this into another bad cop situation. What you're really trying to say by posting this story is "the cop purposely turned off the camera, shot the innocent victim and placed a 9mm on the ground making it look like the kid was going to shoot the cop but instead shot the kid only because he was black".
You're easier to figure out than obama.
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black people on twitter are not happy.
Stolen phones and phones purchased with stolen credit cards have obviously not been disabled by our current riff with North Korea.
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Stolen phones and phones purchased with stolen credit cards have obviously not been disabled by our current riff with North Korea.
"Free" Obamaphones brother. Paid for with your tax dollars.
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Fortunately, no one of any value to the human race died.
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There is a crystal clear video of him raising a gun... the truth doesn't matter though. Never does.
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I didn't say anything about the shoot being unjustified. I said it looked clear cut.
BUT the cop leaving his camera off is a total dumbass move. Agreed?
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I didn't say anything about the shoot being unjustified. I said it looked clear cut.
BUT the cop leaving his camera off is a total dumbass move. Agreed?
Not really in this case. The department only has a handful of them, and they just started using them. It takes a while for any new product to catch on once it's rolled out.
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Not really in this case. The department only has a handful of them, and they just started using them. It takes a while for any new product to catch on once it's rolled out.
I don't care if the department only has ONE. It should be on.
And they gave one to every cop on the Ferguson force, 3 weeks after the shoot. They've been using them consistently since September.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-cops-get-body-cameras-after-michael-brown-shooting-n193196
I don't buy into "it hasn't caught on". You're in a racial warzone with out of state violent protesters killing cops there, cops killing bad guys - and your camera isn't on? Sorry, I don't buy into it. I think if they think things are getting sticky, they make sure it is off, so THEY control the outcome.
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I don't care if the department only has ONE. It should be on.
And they gave one to every cop on the Ferguson force, 3 weeks after the shoot. They've been using them consistently since September.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/ferguson-cops-get-body-cameras-after-michael-brown-shooting-n193196
I don't buy into "it hasn't caught on". You're in a racial warzone with out of state violent protesters killing cops there, cops killing bad guys - and your camera isn't on? Sorry, I don't buy into it. I think if they think things are getting sticky, they make sure it is off, so THEY control the outcome.
He was off duty. Why would he have to have it on? ???
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He was off duty. Why would he have to have it on? ???
to me, it's even more troubling that an off-duty cop is getting into shootouts.
was he wearing his uniform? If not, was it two dudes raising guns at each other simultaneously because it's two dudes with guns bumping into each other simultaneously?
Would love to hear the background on the shooting - have they released many details yet? Initial reports sounds like the shoot was on the level, justified shoot. Now we hear no camera was on (but it was present)? and now we hear he wasn't even on duty? What is protocol when you're off-duty and see something? Call? Start shooting?
I called the Brown shooting 100% legal - but the cop was a big liar for making 150 feet into 10-20 feet for drama's sake.
I called the Trayvon shooting 100% legal - but zimmerman lied about lots of details, his own lawyer admits.
I hate lying cops/shooters. I have zero love for the dirtbags, they get what they get, but it doesn't excuse cops that break the rules.
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to me, it's even more troubling that an off-duty cop is getting into shootouts.
was he wearing his uniform? If not, was it two dudes raising guns at each other simultaneously because it's two dudes with guns bumping into each other simultaneously?
Would love to hear the background on the shooting - have they released many details yet? Initial reports sounds like the shoot was on the level, justified shoot. Now we hear no camera was on (but it was present)? and now we hear he wasn't even on duty? What is protocol when you're off-duty and see something? Call? Start shooting?
I called the Brown shooting 100% legal - but the cop was a big liar for making 150 feet into 10-20 feet for drama's sake.
I called the Trayvon shooting 100% legal - but zimmerman lied about lots of details, his own lawyer admits.
I hate lying cops/shooters. I have zero love for the dirtbags, they get what they get, but it doesn't excuse cops that break the rules.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/berkeley-officer-kills-suspect-who-pulled-gun-police-say-victim/article_d45db16a-7422-5307-b81d-b45dbdc896ba.html
The news has been updated:
the officer was responding to a report of stealing at a Mobil on the Run station about 11:15 p.m. Tuesday when the deadly shooting happened.
The officer saw two men on the parking lot in the 6800 block of North Hanley Road and began talking with them.
Belmar said one of the men approached the driver's side of the vehicle.
The officer's attorney, Brian Millikan, said one of the men spoke with the officer, while the other kept wandering away despite the officer's commands to stay near him, Millikan said.
One of the individuals "produced a pistol with his arm straight out, pointing it straight at the officer kind of from across the hood," Belmar said. He said the officer, who had a flashlight in his left hand, was near his driver's side door and the armed individual was near the headlights on the passenger side.
At that point, the chief said, the officer got his handgun, "and fired what we think is three shots." Belmar said one round struck the suspect, Antonio D. Martin, 18, and one struck a tire of the police car. Police said they did not immediately know where the third round went.
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to me, it's even more troubling that an off-duty cop is getting into shootouts.
was he wearing his uniform? If not, was it two dudes raising guns at each other simultaneously because it's two dudes with guns bumping into each other simultaneously?
Would love to hear the background on the shooting - have they released many details yet? Initial reports sounds like the shoot was on the level, justified shoot. Now we hear no camera was on (but it was present)? and now we hear he wasn't even on duty? What is protocol when you're off-duty and see something? Call? Start shooting?
I called the Brown shooting 100% legal - but the cop was a big liar for making 150 feet into 10-20 feet for drama's sake.
I called the Trayvon shooting 100% legal - but zimmerman lied about lots of details, his own lawyer admits.
I hate lying cops/shooters. I have zero love for the dirtbags, they get what they get, but it doesn't excuse cops that break the rules.
Berkeley Mayor Theodore Hoskins (who is black) is not troubled by this incident.
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Belmar said the 9 mm gun found on the suspect had five rounds in the magazine and one round in the chamber. He said the gun's serial number had been filed off, which could suggest the gun was stolen.
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Belmar said the 9 mm gun found on the suspect had five rounds in the magazine and one round in the chamber. He said the gun's serial number had been filed off, which could suggest the gun was stolen.
Right. Gun = definitely obtained illegally.
Nobody buys a gun legally and then proceeds to file off the serial number. That would negate the manufacture's warranty on the weapon.
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Berkeley Mayor Theodore Hoskins (who is black) is not troubled by this incident.
I'm not troubled by the shooting. I'm troubled by the fact these 2 cops were rolling up on what they KNEW to be suspects in a crime - and they both had cameras off.
They realized they were on scene, dealing with 2 d-bags chilling in the parking lot... they questioned the suspects/witnesses... no camera.
Why even get the cameras (3-4 months back) if they aren't going to use them when doing parking lot interrogationsat night?
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asshole pulled a gun...does it matter what the race of the cop is?
Actually it does matter cause it's more intense if the cop is white and the criminal Hebrew
White vs black gets attention, people are sheeps, media sees it this way and runs with it
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240 is black was once questioned for 15 minutes by a cop so he uses any excuse possible to pick apart their story. ::)
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240 just shut the fuck up already. You sound like a retard anymore with your nonsense. At least the other cop haters admit they just hate cops... For no good reason. Your bullshit about how "you don't hate cops BUT..." is older then Wes.
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I'm not troubled by the shooting. I'm troubled by the fact these 2 cops were rolling up on what they KNEW to be suspects in a crime - and they both had cameras off.
They realized they were on scene, dealing with 2 d-bags chilling in the parking lot... they questioned the suspects/witnesses... no camera.
Why even get the cameras (3-4 months back) if they aren't going to use them when doing parking lot interrogationsat night?
You keep stating your retarded opinions like there is someone on here that wants to hear them.
We get it, a cop fucked you, your mom, your sister, your dad, in the ass and you have some type of delusional hard on over it.
If you know so godamn much about policing and the proper way to deal with ghetto trash, then join the fucking police force or STFU.
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240 just shut the fuck up already. You sound like a retard anymore with your nonsense. At least the other cop haters admit they just hate cops... For no good reason. Your bullshit about how "you don't hate cops BUT..." is older then Wes.
I respect, admire & support the 99.99% of cops that do the right thing.
I hate shady cops. I hate cops that break rules. I think most of us do. A cop can send any of us away to life in prison - PRISON - by lying on a report. A cop can injure/kill someone, and receive no blame, if he just leaves it out of the report.
The problem isn't cops - it's bad cops and good cops that cover for bad cops.
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I respect, admire & support the 99.99% of cops that do the right thing.
I hate shady cops. I hate cops that break rules. I think most of us do. A cop can send any of us away to life in prison - PRISON - by lying on a report. A cop can injure/kill someone, and receive no blame, if he just leaves it out of the report.
The problem isn't cops - it's bad cops and good cops that cover for bad cops.
We heard you. We get it.
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240 just shut the fuck up already. You sound like a retard anymore with your nonsense. At least the other cop haters admit they just hate cops... For no good reason. Your bullshit about how "you don't hate cops BUT..." is older then Wes.
Nothing is older than Wes. Not even dirt. >:( >:(
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If I am ever in Florida and get to meet 240 I want to repeatly kick him in the balls and then work out with jason Genova after
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No one cares about Whites getting shot. And way more than blacks. At least six or 7 times more >:(
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I respect, admire & support the 99.99% of cops that do the right thing.
I hate shady cops. I hate cops that break rules. I think most of us do. A cop can send any of us away to life in prison - PRISON - by lying on a report. A cop can injure/kill someone, and receive no blame, if he just leaves it out of the report.
The problem isn't cops - it's bad cops and good cops that cover for bad cops.
Can you post some examples of this?
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Can you post some examples of this?
for example, the cops in NYC that HIT the parked car with a man in it. They charged him with a crime. Then video cleared him. He was looking at serious fines/jail time - completely false charges.
Cops have framed people many times. Video clearing people more and more.
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240 is black was once questioned for 15 minutes by a cop so he uses any excuse possible to pick apart their story. ::)
Oh boy ::)
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I don't trust cops(white or black).
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I don't trust cops(white or black).
Shocking.
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Shocking.
You must be a cop
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for example, the cops in NYC that HIT the parked car with a man in it. They charged him with a crime. Then video cleared him. He was looking at serious fines/jail time - completely false charges.
Cops have framed people many times. Video clearing people more and more.
I respect, admire & support the 99.99% of cops that do the right thing.
I hate shady cops. I hate cops that break rules. I think most of us do. A cop can send any of us away to life in prison - PRISON - by lying on a report. A cop can injure/kill someone, and receive no blame, if he just leaves it out of the report.
The problem isn't cops - it's bad cops and good cops that cover for bad cops.
Examples of people in jail for life.
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This cop got ten years for framing over 100 people for serious crimes in major drug crimes. Ten years. :(
Multiple officers working together to frame people.
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Examples of people in jail for life.
here, the LAPD officers admitted framing a man for multiple crimes before shooting him.
http://www.streetgangs.com/police/rampart/091599_inmate_framed#sthash.qy72Jcrn.dpbs
He was to serve 23 years. Police admitted framing him.
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here, the LAPD officers admitted framing a man for multiple crimes before shooting him.
http://www.streetgangs.com/police/rampart/091599_inmate_framed#sthash.qy72Jcrn.dpbs
He was to serve 23 years. Police admitted framing him.
So he didn't even go to jail ???
Examples please?
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So he didn't even go to jail ???
Examples please?
He had spent two years at the Salinas Valley State Prison, where he was sentenced to serve more than 23 years. - See more at: http://www.streetgangs.com/police/rampart/091599_inmate_framed#sthash.qy72Jcrn.jZFoRcM8.dpuf
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#blacklivesmatter
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You keep stating your retarded opinions like there is someone on here that wants to hear them.
We get it, a cop fucked you, your mom, your sister, your dad, in the ass and you have some type of delusional hard on over it.
If you know so godamn much about policing and the proper way to deal with ghetto trash, then join the fucking police force or STFU.
I am a little butthurt... a cop did threaten to give me a false seat belt ticket for $74 if I said another word.
(I was trying to explain the construction zone/scale issue that left me sitting at red light in middle of night for 5+ minutes).
So yeah, I'll admit that plays into it. She should lose her badge for threatening a person like that.
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He had spent two years at the Salinas Valley State Prison, where he was sentenced to serve more than 23 years. - See more at: http://www.streetgangs.com/police/rampart/091599_inmate_framed#sthash.qy72Jcrn.jZFoRcM8.dpuf
2 years ??? ???
Examples of people who have served life in prison from false police reports??
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here, the LAPD officers admitted framing a man for multiple crimes before shooting him.
http://www.streetgangs.com/police/rampart/091599_inmate_framed#sthash.qy72Jcrn.dpbs
He was to serve 23 years. Police admitted framing him.
Javier Francisco Ovando, 31, was arrested about 8:15 p.m. Sunday after leading police on an hour-long chase that reached speeds of up to 90 mph on local streets and freeways, said Sgt. Tom Lorenz of the Glendale Police Department.
In 2001, Ovando pleaded guilty to transporting cocaine to Las Vegas after 50 grams of cocaine and 37 grams of marijuana were found in his Cadillac Escalade and a handgun was found beneath the hood, authorities said. Ovando at the time agreed to undergo drug treatment to avoid prison, and to forfeit $50,000 in cash, a handgun and his expensive sport-utility vehicle, all of which were seized during the arrest.
Ovando appeared at the home on June 22, swearing and threatening the new occupants, who were allowed to move in before the completion of escrow, Royal said. Ovando allegedly demanded that the family move out, Royal said.
This guy is the example you are using ??? ???
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So he didn't even go to jail ???
Examples please?
This kind of stuff is easy to google, ya know:
Clarence Chance and Benny Powell
County: Los Angeles
Convicted of: 1st Degree Murder and Robbery
Year of Conviction: 1975
Sentence: Life without parole
Year Released: 1992
Years Served: 17 years
Wrongful Conviction Factors: Police misconduct; perjured testimony; false informant testimony
On a December night in 1973, Clarence Chance was being held in a county jail. Yet, he was ultimately convicted of robbing a gas station and murdering an off-duty sheriff's deputy in the men's room that same night. Chance and his codefendant, Benny Powell, served 17 years for a crime that they did not and could not have committed.
While in prison, Chance and Powell refused to give up hope and eventually, someone responded to their pleas for help. Jim McCloskey of Centurion Ministries tracked down three witnesses who said that the LAPD had pressured and coerced them into giving their false testimonies. On this discovery, county prosecutors joined the investigation and discovered that police had not revealed the fact that the jailhouse informant who gave key testimony had failed two polygraph tests. After four years of investigation, Los Angeles County District Attorney's office joined defense lawyers in asking that Chance and Powell be freed.
When finally releasing Chance and Powell, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Florence-Marie Cooper gave a judicial apology for the "gross injustice" of the time they spent in prison. "Nothing can be done to return to you the years irretrievably lost," she said. Since their release, each of them has been awarded $3.5 million dollars for their wrongful imprisonment. [/i]
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=407 (http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=407)
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I thought this was gonna be about smoking weed with the cops.
I'm disappointed >:(
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I am a little butthurt... a cop did threaten to give me a false seat belt ticket for $74 if I said another word.
(I was trying to explain the construction zone/scale issue that left me sitting at red light in middle of night for 5+ minutes).
So yeah, I'll admit that plays into it. She should lose her badge for threatening a person like that.
really, you don't say?
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This kind of stuff is easy to google, ya know:
Clarence Chance and Benny Powell
County: Los Angeles
Convicted of: 1st Degree Murder and Robbery
Year of Conviction: 1975
Sentence: Life without parole
Year Released: 1992
Years Served: 17 years
Wrongful Conviction Factors: Police misconduct; perjured testimony; false informant testimony
On a December night in 1973, Clarence Chance was being held in a county jail. Yet, he was ultimately convicted of robbing a gas station and murdering an off-duty sheriff's deputy in the men's room that same night. Chance and his codefendant, Benny Powell, served 17 years for a crime that they did not and could not have committed.
While in prison, Chance and Powell refused to give up hope and eventually, someone responded to their pleas for help. Jim McCloskey of Centurion Ministries tracked down three witnesses who said that the LAPD had pressured and coerced them into giving their false testimonies. On this discovery, county prosecutors joined the investigation and discovered that police had not revealed the fact that the jailhouse informant who gave key testimony had failed two polygraph tests. After four years of investigation, Los Angeles County District Attorney's office joined defense lawyers in asking that Chance and Powell be freed.
When finally releasing Chance and Powell, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Florence-Marie Cooper gave a judicial apology for the "gross injustice" of the time they spent in prison. "Nothing can be done to return to you the years irretrievably lost," she said. Since their release, each of them has been awarded $3.5 million dollars for their wrongful imprisonment. [/i]
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=407 (http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=407)
1975 ::)
Please give me better examples in this day and age.
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You must be a cop
You must be a criminal.
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You must be a criminal.
Nope, you don't have to be a criminal to get treated unfairly by the boys in blue.
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Why couldn't the cop shoot the gun out of his hand?
If I was that cop, I would have timed my shot as the young man raised his hand. At that moment, I would have shot the weapon out of his hand, then run over to him and put him in an arm bar. I would have subdued him with this arm bar, cuff him, and take him into the station.
You watched to many Spaghetti Westerns :D
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#blacklivesmatter
Hard to believe when blacks are perfectly willing to kill or spend their life in jail because of important, life altering things like, "being dissed".
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You watched to many Spaghetti Westerns :D
That would have been me, except I would have shot the gun from his hand in a more precise manner.
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You must be a criminal.
He is black - is thst a trick question there?
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Saved us taxpayers a fortune going out like a thug.
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He is black - is thst a trick question there?
Thst? Learn how to spell stupid white man.
Merry Christmas :D
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Thst? Learn how to spell stupid white man.
Merry Christmas :D
Make sure when walking down the street w the gifts you announce you paid for them so as not to get locked up this year ok? Last year was unfortunate you were mistaken, or were you, for stealing those toys.
;D
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There are 34,000 arrests every day in the US...No system is perfect but ours is pretty damn good...Look at the high crime scum the police have to deal with....Look around the World and tell me who has a better system..
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Nope, you don't have to be a criminal to get treated unfairly by the boys in blue.
And you don't have to be a cop to get sick of listening to punk-ass thugs whining about mistreatment.
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And you don't have to be a cop to get sick of listening to punk-ass thugs whining about mistreatment.
Black people ain't the only ones being mistreated by the police. Do you consider your kind "punk ass thugs"? Are you Archer77? Your post is very similar to him.
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I was questioned by a cop once.
He pulled his car up on the sidewalk when I was walking and ordered me to stop and asked me some questions. I must have resembled a suspect.
Fortunately I didn't run away or open fire on him so everything turned out okay.
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Black people ain't the only ones being mistreated by the police. Do you consider your kind "punk ass thugs"? Are you Archer77? Your post is very similar to him.
Punk-ass thugs come in various hues, whites just don't usually go with the instinctive, knee-jerk defense when it's one of ours.
Not Arch, btw, but we do share a similar distaste for those who won't own their uncivilized bullshit.
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He pulled his car up on the sidewalk when I was walking and ordered me to stop and asked me some questions. I must have resembled a suspect.
More likely, the cop was just stopping people to fish for people up to no good.
"you look like a suspect in a nearby crime" LOL
"you smell like weed, give me your phone" LOL
Look at the cop just making shit up as he goes...
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More likely, the cop was just stopping people to fish for people up to no good.
"you look like a suspect in a nearby crime" LOL
"you smell like weed, give me your phone" LOL
Look at the cop just making shit up as he goes...
This guy is an idiot! Not the cop but the driver that cop has a lot more important things to be doing then fucking with Mr "I wanna make a youtube video" to see how far I can push a cop. It is Ok to ask a cop questions even Ok to refuse signing but this guy is just being a jackass!
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Not sure why people make such a big deal about a ghetto black getting shot.
One less cancer to society.
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Not sure why people make such a big deal about a ghetto black getting shot.
One less cancer to society.
How dare you say that! He was on his was to college and med-school before that racist cop targeted him for being a black man loitering in a gas station!
Besides his momma said he really a good boy all his whole life!
;D
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Not sure why people make such a big deal about a ghetto black getting shot.
One less cancer to society.
+1
Cop should be promoted for doing a service to society
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http://www.ijreview.com/2014/12/222561-protests-continue-st-louis-shooting-armed-black-teen-police-release-two-videos/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_content=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Human
Good
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I was questioned by a cop once.
He pulled his car up on the sidewalk when I was walking and ordered me to stop and asked me some questions. I must have resembled a suspect.
Fortunately I didn't run away or open fire on him so everything turned out okay.
funny how that works eh?
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Only a dumbass takes that "don't F with me " attitude into an encounter with the cops. Great way to get your ass kicked or killed. Had Brown, Garner and this dum dum just STFU and complied with the cops without taking that "F you..leave me alone attitude" they'd still be wasting space on our planet today
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Only a dumbass takes that "don't F with me " attitude into an encounter with the cops. Great way to get your ass kicked or killed. Had Brown, Garner and this dum dum just STFU and complied with the cops without taking that "F you..leave me alone attitude" they'd still be wasting space on our planet today
I think the issue that many people have is the # of times they encounter the police. And the number of times they're doing nothing and are grabbed, frisked, detailed, questioned when they've dont nothing wrong - because they're young, because of their look, etc. As a skinny white kid in Ohio, me and my friends were stopped and questioned by the police quite a few times from age 10 to 14 (when I moved away) - it had nothing to do with race. It was poor kid walking in the projects, and cops just *fishing* for anything incriminating, any info they could get about whatever, etc. Just basic stop/shakedown/questioning and on their way in 5 minutes. It happened a lot.
As an adult, if the cops try this, we grow tired of this shit and we call ACLU, get a lawyer, etc. Some people squirm instead. Some people fight.
There is a point - I'm not saying any of these men were there, but the point exists - when law abiding citizens tell abusive police to fck off. It happens at some point, and rightfully so. I'm not saying Garner was justified to squirm. I'm saying there are points in life where you do tell a cop to piss off, if they're violating rights or breaking law.
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That's all well ad good...but you have to recognize that he cops will win just about every time. Sure ..Mike Brown got a punch or two in. How did that work out for him in the end? Cory Garner sure stood his ground and let those cops know they couldn't f with him. How did that end up working for him?
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I think the issue that many people have is the # of times they encounter the police. And the number of times they're doing nothing and are grabbed, frisked, detailed, questioned when they've dont nothing wrong - because they're young, because of their look, etc. As a skinny white kid in Ohio, me and my friends were stopped and questioned by the police quite a few times from age 10 to 14 (when I moved away) - it had nothing to do with race. It was poor kid walking in the projects, and cops just *fishing* for anything incriminating, any info they could get about whatever, etc. Just basic stop/shakedown/questioning and on their way in 5 minutes. It happened a lot.
As an adult, if the cops try this, we grow tired of this shit and we call ACLU, get a lawyer, etc. Some people squirm instead. Some people fight.
There is a point - I'm not saying any of these men were there, but the point exists - when law abiding citizens tell abusive police to fck off. It happens at some point, and rightfully so. I'm not saying Garner was justified to squirm. I'm saying there are points in life where you do tell a cop to piss off, if they're violating rights or breaking law.
240, the way you have been going off (and on) on here lately. Maybe the cops were trying to frisk you for a brain.
As you were a teacher, you probably have noticed that the kids who always attracted the teacher's attention negatively, and always said that they were not doing anything wrong, and constantly in trouble or in the wrong place at the wrong time, generally were up to something---their behavior. So, have you ever thought that was why the cops were onto you as a kid? And that everybody is picking on them. And usually those people are in positions of authority? And that these kids usually have poor relationships with the adults in their family---father, mother, teachers, etc.
You tend to latch onto things and the thing goes into a rabbit hole of twists and turns and it turns into a "maybe I see this, and maybe that" to the point that a whole brand new "narrative" comes about.
Sometimes, there are no alternate universe theories, no 10 ways of telling a story, no convoluted truth, in which we need to weave and unweave something to make it more (or less) tangible.
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240, the way you have been going off (and on) on here lately. Maybe the cops were trying to frisk you for a brain.
As you were a teacher, you probably have noticed that the kids who always attracted the teacher's attention negatively, and always said that they were not doing anything wrong, and constantly in trouble or in the wrong place at the wrong time, generally were up to something---their behavior. So, have you ever thought that was why the cops were onto you as a kid? And that everybody is picking on them. And usually those people are in positions of authority? And that these kids usually have poor relationships with the adults in their family---father, mother, teachers, etc.
You tend to latch onto things and the thing goes into a rabbit hole of twists and turns and it turns into a "maybe I see this, and maybe that" to the point that a whole brand new "narrative" comes about.
Sometimes, there are no alternate universe theories, no 10 ways of telling a story, no convoluted truth, in which we need to weave and unweave something to make it more (or less) tangible.
Very wise, Parker. Occam's Razor is our friend.
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I understand that COPS exist to protect the population but... in a civil society of grown ups COPS are just as necessary as the criminals they pretend to defend us from.
It's very hard to allege that you are serving and protecting those you shoot and kill because they "look" suspicious.
The very tone of voice they use when dealing with civilians makes me want to vomit.
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I understand that COPS exist to protect the population but... in a civil society of grown ups COPS are just as necessary as the criminals they pretend to defend us from.
It's very hard to allege that you are serving and protecting those you shoot and kill because they "look" suspicious.
The very tone of voice they use when dealing with civilians makes me want to vomit.
What "tone" do you speak of?
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I understand that COPS exist to protect the population but... in a civil society of grown ups COPS are just as necessary as the criminals they pretend to defend us from.
It's very hard to allege that you are serving and protecting those you shoot and kill because they "look" suspicious.
The very tone of voice they use when dealing with civilians makes me want to vomit.
Is voice tone really your main issue when the suspicious "look"ing civilian points his handgun at the COP'S head?
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What "tone" do you speak of?
Mother of God dude, connect the dots! The overly arrogant and condescending tone they use, making it very clear that you MUST be lucky he/she didn't shoot you from the get-go.
Think about it: Another human being has the right to stop you for whatever reason he/she chooses and then make your life a living hell if he/she chooses. Look at the video, the guy in the car is asking some simple questions, and the COP, even though he is there to "serve and protect," feels he does not have to answer his questions and looks visibly irritated. He is, in fact and in gesture language, telling the guy in the car that he is above him.
The only two options you have of coming out unscathed from the encounter is 1) you are a lawyer (which most of us are not) and you inform him/her know the limits of the encounter from the get go or 2) you show a clear overly-submissive and overly-compliant attitude. Option 3 we already know too well.
Fuck COPS.
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Is voice tone really your main issue when the suspicious "look"ing civilian points his handgun at the COP'S head?
I was referring to the video.
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Why are COP assassinations and funerals on TV 24/7, while the people COPS assassinate seem to only be worthy of a 5-second liner?
Are COPS above civilians?
Do we live in a police state??
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Mother of God dude, connect the dots! The overly arrogant and condescending tone they use, making it very clear that you MUST be lucky he/she didn't shoot you from the get-go.
Think about it: Another human being has the right to stop you for whatever reason he/she chooses and then make your life a living hell if he/she chooses. Look at the video, the guy in the car is asking some simple questions, and the COP, even though he is there to "serve and protect," feels he does not have to answer his questions and looks visibly irritated. He is, in fact and in gesture language, telling the guy in the car that he is above him.
The only two options you have of coming out unscathed from the encounter is 1) you are a lawyer (which most of us are not) and you inform him/her know the limits of the encounter from the get go or 2) you show a clear overly-submissive and overly-compliant attitude. Option 3 we already know too well.
Fuck COPS.
Police are a form of authority, and so are judges. So they will speak in an authoritative tone. They are not going to talk to you like you a buddy, a friend or you have a drink with them. They have to maintain that level of authority. Like teachers, professors.
It is not the cops you hate. Otherwise, civilians would not have any respect for them. It is authority that you have a problem with. Because yes, they are above you in terms of authority. They enforce the laws. They are trained to act a certain way. And you don't like. Do you want them to be nice to you and offer you a cup of tea?
Also, just because you are a lawyer, doesn't mean you come unscathed. Plenty of lawyers have been arrested for drugs, DUIs, domestic assaults, etc. Having a JD does not mean things will go smoothly.
Ask yourself, if you were a cop, and had to deal with your attitude, would you go be "buddy buddy", or would maintain an authoritative tone?
Check how this horse cop busted this dude doing a wheelie on his GSX-R. He was chi and maintain authority
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Police are a form of authority, and so are judges. So they will speak in an authoritative tone. They are not going to talk to you like you a buddy, a friend or you have a drink with them. They have to maintain that level of authority. Like teachers, professors.
Do not respond with passive-aggressive BS. I'm not asking that the COP talk to me in colloquial terms, I'm talking about their overly aggressive tone. They can accomplish the same by using a neutral tone of voice and stop using their fake "Sir" over and over again.
It is not the cops you hate.
I never said otherwise.
Otherwise, civilians would not have any respect for them.
That's not true. You see, now you're entering the realm of bull shit to make a point. Plenty of police around the world are as effective, if not more, than the police here in the US without resorting to their usual openly hostile attitude toward those they say are there "to serve and protect".
It is authority that you have a problem with.
AB-SO-FUCK-ING-LU-TE-LY. Me personally, I have no need for COPS, judges or any other "representatives" of the aparatus. I am grown up enough to be able to fix my problems and to mediate my interactions with other human beings without the mediation of a half-assed human being with "daddy issues" and a trigger-happy attitude. In fact, I'd venture to say that most of us are.
There's nothing between me and the stars, that's my motto.
Also, just because you are a lawyer, doesn't mean you come unscathed. Plenty of lawyers have been arrested for drugs, DUIs, domestic assaults, etc. Having a JD does not mean things will go smoothly.
Ask yourself, if you were a cop, and had to deal with your attitude, would you go be "buddy buddy", or would maintain an authoritative tone?
First of all, I would not want to be a COP. Like I've saying all along, there is a huge dichotomy between the "to serve and protect" and what they actually do. I could not do that.
I am strongly suggesting that COPS in the USA need to tone it down, use a neutral tone of voice and to not over react. Simple. I do not need to hear about their authority because I did not give it to him/her. He is an imposed figure as far as I'm concerned. Like a mafiosi or a crack dealer.
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Do not respond with passive-aggressive BS. I'm not asking that the COP talk to me in colloquial terms, I'm talking about their overly aggressive tone. They can accomplish the same by using a neutral tone of voice and stop using their fake "Sir" over and over again.
I never said otherwise.
That's not true. You see, now you're entering the realm of bull shit to make a point. Plenty of police around the world are as effective, if not more, than the police here in the US without resorting to their usual openly hostile attitude toward those they say are there "to serve and protect".
AB-SO-FUCK-ING-LU-TE-LY. Me personally, I have no need for COPS, judges or any other "representatives" of the aparatus. I am grown up enough to be able to fix my problems and to mediate my interactions with other human beings without the mediation of a half-assed human being with "daddy issues" and a trigger-happy attitude. In fact, I'd venture to say that most of us are.
There's nothing between me and the stars, that's my motto.
First of all, I would not want to be a COP. Like I've saying all along, there is a huge dichotomy between the "to serve and protect" and what they actually do. I could not do that.
I am strongly suggesting that COPS in the USA need to tone it down, use a neutral tone of voice and to not over react. Simple. I do not need to hear about their authority because I did not give it to him/her. He is an imposed figure as far as I'm concerned. Like a mafiosi or a crack dealer.
It was not passive aggressive. It is plain speaking. It is what it is.
And if you live in the US, the police and citizens need to tone it down. But, in today's society, where everybody can do what they want, when they want and everybody is a special snowflake. Nobody is going to tone it down. Especially when you have people who have problems with authority.
The first form of authority was/is your parents, and next teachers. Those who tend to have problems with authority, usually have it with their parents and teachers. And guess who is next? The police.
So, if you say that you have a problem with authority. Why is that?
Unfortunately there is someone between you and the stars. And if you say you have no need for the cops or judges, what happens when someone steals your property, effs up your car? And what if they are a minor? What if you are robbed, or someone burglarizes your house? Is this an "oh, well...I have no need for cops or the judges".
What if you are being sued, or sue Someone? Or if you have kids and someone a ducts them? Do you call the cops for them to look for them? Or how about a car accident? Insurance companies say call the police and get a police report. But, you say you have no need for them.
There are a myriad of reasons why you need them. And besides, they represent the executive branch of government. In our society, our three branches of government are needed to keep society a cohesive unit of checks and balances. It ain't perfect, but you benefit from it.
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It was not passive aggressive. It is plain speaking. It is what it is.
And if you live in the US, the police and citizens need to tone it down. But, in today's society, where everybody can do what they want, when they want and everybody is a special snowflake. Nobody is going to tone it down. Especially when you have people who have problems with authority.
The first form of authority was/is your parents, and next teachers. Those who tend to have problems with authority, usually have it with their parents and teachers. And guess who is next? The police.
So, if you say that you have a problem with authority. Why is that?
Unfortunately there is someone between you and the stars. And if you say you have no need for the cops or judges, what happens when someone steals your property, effs up your car? And what if they are a minor? What if you are robbed, or someone burglarizes your house? Is this an "oh, well...I have no need for cops or the judges".
What if you are being sued, or sue Someone? Or if you have kids and someone a ducts them? Do you call the cops for them to look for them? Or how about a car accident? Insurance companies say call the police and get a police report. But, you say you have no need for them.
There are a myriad of reasons why you need them. And besides, they represent the executive branch of government. In our society, our three branches of government are needed to keep society a cohesive unit of checks and balances. It ain't perfect, but you benefit from it.
Are you a cop?
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Why are COP assassinations and funerals on TV 24/7, while the people COPS assassinate seem to only be worthy of a 5-second liner?
Are COPS above civilians?
Do we live in a police state??
Go away, dufus.
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That's fine for you who knows how to behave outside of a cage and on two legs and feet. Same can't be said of certain others like in this thread complaining.
Do not respond with passive-aggressive BS. I'm not asking that the COP talk to me in colloquial terms, I'm talking about their overly aggressive tone. They can accomplish the same by using a neutral tone of voice and stop using their fake "Sir" over and over again.
I never said otherwise.
That's not true. You see, now you're entering the realm of bull shit to make a point. Plenty of police around the world are as effective, if not more, than the police here in the US without resorting to their usual openly hostile attitude toward those they say are there "to serve and protect".
AB-SO-FUCK-ING-LU-TE-LY. Me personally, I have no need for COPS, judges or any other "representatives" of the aparatus. I am grown up enough to be able to fix my problems and to mediate my interactions with other human beings without the mediation of a half-assed human being with "daddy issues" and a trigger-happy attitude. In fact, I'd venture to say that most of us are.
There's nothing between me and the stars, that's my motto.
First of all, I would not want to be a COP. Like I've saying all along, there is a huge dichotomy between the "to serve and protect" and what they actually do. I could not do that.
I am strongly suggesting that COPS in the USA need to tone it down, use a neutral tone of voice and to not over react. Simple. I do not need to hear about their authority because I did not give it to him/her. He is an imposed figure as far as I'm concerned. Like a mafiosi or a crack dealer.
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Are you a cop?
Are you a criminal?
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It was not passive aggressive. It is plain speaking. It is what it is.
Yes you did. You went from my "they need to tone it down" to you saying "they are not going to talk to you like you a buddy". I'm not looking for buddies or hugs, I'm talking about real life interactions between an overly aggressive "state agent" (for lack of a better term) using an overly condescending tone of voice and a civilian who, in most cases, does not know if the over-the-top behavior is going to lead to a shot in the head or a $125 summons. God knows these agents are perfectly capable of doing both with little to no suspicion.
And if you live in the US, the police and citizens need to tone it down. But, in today's society, where everybody can do what they want, when they want and everybody is a special snowflake. Nobody is going to tone it down. Especially when you have people who have problems with authority.
Seems to me "authority" kills more "people" than the other way around. About 1,000-1,350 civilian Americans are killed by COPS in the US every year. About 100-115 COPS are killed by civilian Americans every year. Who needs to come down?
The first form of authority was/is your parents, and next teachers. Those who tend to have problems with authority, usually have it with their parents and teachers. And guess who is next? The police.
So, if you say that you have a problem with authority. Why is that?
Oh, so you're a psychologist now? There are major differences between the authoritative figures you named and a COP. Parents are naturally given authority because of obvious reasons. I can deal with my dad telling me what to do because I know he's got my best interest at heart. I can understand a teacher wanting to exert certain control of the class so that the lesson is delivered effectively. Now, let's go onto COPS, what do COPS do? What benefit do they offer the society they "serve and protect"? You see, my parents EARNED my respect because they were always there (among many other reasons). My teachers EARNED my respect because they helped me become a functional adult. COPS, on the other hand, have done nothing but earn my disrespect by acting like complete out-of-control assholes who demand authority one punch or bullet at a time. There's a name for that: sociopath.
I, for one, would rather have respect for people than respect for authority.
Unfortunately there is someone between you and the stars. And if you say you have no need for the cops or judges, what happens when someone steals your property, effs up your car? And what if they are a minor?
None of those things have ever happened to me.
On the other hand, I was once tackled (teeth broken and all) by a COP who became suspicious of my running and cutting through a park to get to a restaurant. These subhuman species actually drove me to the restaurant to make sure I wasn't lying instead of driving me to the nearest hospital (I was bleeding profusely from the mouth).
What if you are robbed, or someone burglarizes your house? Is this an "oh, well...I have no need for cops or the judges".
What if you are being sued, or sue Someone? Or if you have kids and someone a ducts them? Do you call the cops for them to look for them? Or how about a car accident? Insurance companies say call the police and get a police report.
But, you say you have no need for them.
Wanna know what's funny? That of all the things you listed as functions a COP would actually undertake, all are non-violent (looking for thieves/burglars, abducted kids, take accident reports, et cetera).
No one's actually come into my house to steal anything. My kids have never been abducted. The two accidents I was involved in (in recent memory) were resolved without any interaction with COPS, et cetera. On the other hand, I got my ass whooped by a bunch of COPS years ago, and treated like a criminal when the COPS were the ones behaving criminally.
There are a myriad of reasons why you need them. And besides, they represent the executive branch of government. In our society, our three branches of government are needed to keep society a cohesive unit of checks and balances. It ain't perfect, but you benefit from it.
I'm telling you, I have not.
It's no wonder COPS get shot.
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Are you a criminal?
No, are you? There's no African American getbiggers on here that has an criminal record despite you and your kind constant reminder of how we (negroes) are violent animals that need to be shipped back to Africa. BTW Hi Archer
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No, are you? There's no African American getbiggers on here that has an criminal record despite you and your kind constant reminder of how we (negroes) are violent animals that need to be shipped back to Africa. BTW Hi Archer
How about shipped to Arizona
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No, are you? There's no African American getbiggers on here that has an criminal record despite you and your kind constant reminder of how we (negroes) are violent animals that need to be shipped back to Africa. BTW Hi Archer
He's Archer????
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He's Archer????
Sounds like him. ???
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How about shipped to Arizona
Just look at all the troubled getbiggers that's been on here over the years. None of them looked like me, but if Soulcrusher had a son they would look like you. ;D
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Yes you did. You went from my "they need to tone it down" to you saying "they are not going to talk to you like you a buddy". I'm not looking for buddies or hugs, I'm talking about real life interactions between an overly aggressive "state agent" (for lack of a better term) using an overly condescending tone of voice and a civilian who, in most cases, does not know if the over-the-top behavior is going to lead to a shot in the head or a $125 summons. God knows these agents are perfectly capable of doing both with little to no suspicion.
Seems to me "authority" kills more "people" than the other way around. About 1,000-1,350 civilian Americans are killed by COPS in the US every year. About 100-115 COPS are killed by civilian Americans every year. Who needs to come down?
Oh, so you're a psychologist now? There are major differences between the authoritative figures you named and a COP. Parents are naturally given authority because of obvious reasons. I can deal with my dad telling me what to do because I know he's got my best interest at heart. I can understand a teacher wanting to exert certain control of the class so that the lesson is delivered effectively. Now, let's go onto COPS, what do COPS do? What benefit do they offer the society they "serve and protect"? You see, my parents EARNED my respect because they were always there (among many other reasons). My teachers EARNED my respect because they helped me become a functional adult. COPS, on the other hand, have done nothing but earn my disrespect by acting like complete out-of-control assholes who demand authority one punch or bullet at a time. There's a name for that: sociopath.
I, for one, would rather have respect for people than respect for authority.
None of those things have ever happened to me.
On the other hand, I was once tackled (teeth broken and all) by a COP who became suspicious of my running and cutting through a park to get to a restaurant. These subhuman species actually drove me to the restaurant to make sure I wasn't lying instead of driving me to the nearest hospital (I was bleeding profusely from the mouth).
Wanna know what's funny? That of all the things you listed as functions a COP would actually undertake, all are non-violent (looking for thieves/burglars, abducted kids, take accident reports, et cetera).
No one's actually come into my house to steal anything. My kids have never been abducted. The two accidents I was involved in (in recent memory) were resolved without any interaction with COPS, et cetera. On the other hand, I got my ass whooped by a bunch of COPS years ago, and treated like a criminal when the COPS were the ones behaving criminally.
I'm telling you, I have not.
It's no wonder COPS get shot.
You brought all those troubles on yourself by acting like an asshole.
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Bring this race war spooks.
Me and the Old Man will be holed up in the attic with a .375 side by side and a .358 bolt action.
We'll see how tough you are with your chinese pistols when I can put a bullet up your nostril from 1000'.
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No, are you? There's no African American getbiggers on here that has an criminal record despite you and your kind constant reminder of how we (negroes) are violent animals that need to be shipped back to Africa. BTW Hi Archer
Take a joke, J. Same conversation we already had, remember?
Lighten up a hair; get over your damn pigment already.
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He's Archer????
No. Look at our f'n post histories.
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You brought all those troubles on yourself by acting like an asshole.
No, I was well dressed, my pants were dark blue and held in place by a good looking belt, was also wearing a white shirt, moccasins (no socks) and had a light tan.
Nothing in me denoted the appearance of a black male or an "asshole" (or a white/black asshole).
Yet, I got my ass whooped.
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No. Look at our f'n post histories.
I not only looked, I wrote them!
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I not only looked, I wrote them!
Well played. You, me, and Archer, Getbig's Unholy Trinity.
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Well played. You, me, and Archer, Getbig's Unholy Trinity.
Hey, if you paint yourself into a corner, do not blame it on the paint.
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It was a compliment.
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No, I was well dressed, my pants were dark blue and held in place by a good looking belt, was also wearing a white shirt, moccasins (no socks) and had a light tan.
Nothing in me denoted the appearance of a black male or an "asshole" (or a white/black asshole).
Yet, I got my ass whooped.
For doing nothing more than taking a nice brisk walk across the park before the boogie men police officers came in from out of nowhere and kicked your teeth in for no apparent reason.
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Love the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.surenews.com/crime/concealed-carry-gun-owner-sees-a-man-beating-a-woman-watch-what-he-does-to-the-man-all-caught-on-video/
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Love the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.surenews.com/crime/concealed-carry-gun-owner-sees-a-man-beating-a-woman-watch-what-he-does-to-the-man-all-caught-on-video/
MacMichael Nwaiwu was arrested after an incident on Farm Road 1709 in Southlake Friday afternoon. | Southlake Department of Public Safety
(http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/northeast-tarrant/69cz6q/picture5033946/alternates/FREE_960/MacMichael%20Nwaiwu)
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MacMichael Nwaiwu was arrested after an incident on Farm Road 1709 in Southlake Friday afternoon. | Southlake Department of Public Safety
(http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/northeast-tarrant/69cz6q/picture5033946/alternates/FREE_960/MacMichael%20Nwaiwu)
Hmm. Wasn't expecting that.
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Sounds like him. ???
agreed
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agreed
Busted.
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Just look at all the troubled getbiggers that's been on here over the years. None of them looked like me, but if Soulcrusher had a son they would look like you. ;D
Can't lie - if I had a daughter - she might dos hit like this
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/kan-firefighter-takes-fire-truck-drunken-ride-cops-article-1.2057559?utm_content=buffer833fa&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=NYDN+Facebook
Only because we know bros and sis don't volunteer for shit. ;) :D ;D
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Brown was 150+ feet from the car when shot. Wilson & Police have claimed from the beginning that it was 35 feet. Did they purposefully minimize this distance in order to make us not realize the cop got out of his cruiser - failed to call in a shooting - then ran half a football field, instead of a few dozen feet as he claimed? This is an OBVIOUS lie, and make a big difference. It was a shoot, a fairly long chase, and a shooting. Why did they lie about this (with the video below, you can no longer deny both the police and Wilson claimed 35 feet, you have their own words here)
Police lied for 108 days about the distance.
Here you will see multiple police sources saying, 2 days after the shooting, that brown's body was 35 feet from the car, not the 153 feet, 9 inches or so that it was shown to be.
MAJOR lie from police, and one that media and protesters gripped onto in a MAJOR way - and rightfully so. You don't just fudge facts like that, particularly when you are the police and it's not exactly a rounding error.
HERE you can hear Wilson in his OWN WORDS claim it was 35 feet away - continuing the obvious lie:
And here you can see the actual distance, measured with pictures and video. There is no confusion here - police and Wilson, both LYING about the distance by a huge margin. WHY?
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Brown was 150+ feet from the car when shot. Wilson & Police have claimed from the beginning that it was 35 feet. Did they purposefully minimize this distance in order to make us not realize the cop got out of his cruiser - failed to call in a shooting - then ran half a football field, instead of a few dozen feet as he claimed? This is an OBVIOUS lie, and make a big difference. It was a shoot, a fairly long chase, and a shooting. Why did they lie about this (with the video below, you can no longer deny both the police and Wilson claimed 35 feet, you have their own words here)
Police lied for 108 days about the distance.
Here you will see multiple police sources saying, 2 days after the shooting, that brown's body was 35 feet from the car, not the 153 feet, 9 inches or so that it was shown to be.
MAJOR lie from police, and one that media and protesters gripped onto in a MAJOR way - and rightfully so. You don't just fudge facts like that, particularly when you are the police and it's not exactly a rounding error.
HERE you can hear Wilson in his OWN WORDS claim it was 35 feet away - continuing the obvious lie:
And here you can see the actual distance, measured with pictures and video. There is no confusion here - police and Wilson, both LYING about the distance by a huge margin. WHY?
How many f'n times do we need to hear this from you? You and your 150 ft., despite what witnesses, forensics, and the Grand Jury concluded. Just stop, guy. Thug's dead, cop's exonerated, but fortunately for you his life is completely ruined. You should be happy, no?
Hands Up, Don't Shoot, I Can't Breathe- just join your protesting brethren looting/burning liquor stores and blocking traffic. Everyone's happy, Rob, move on.
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How many f'n times do we need to hear this from you? You and your 150 ft., despite what witnesses, forensics, and the Grand Jury concluded. Just stop, guy. Thug's dead, cop's exonerated, but fortunately for you his life is completely ruined. You should be happy, no?
Hands Up, Don't Shoot, I Can't Breathe- just join your protesting brethren looting/burning liquor stores and blocking traffic. Everyone's happy, Rob, move on.
150 FEET!
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Doesn't matter how far from the car Brown was....Wilson got out and chased Brown..
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Brown was 150+ feet from the car when shot. Wilson & Police have claimed from the beginning that it was 35 feet. Did they purposefully minimize this distance in order to make us not realize the cop got out of his cruiser - failed to call in a shooting - then ran half a football field, instead of a few dozen feet as he claimed? This is an OBVIOUS lie, and make a big difference. It was a shoot, a fairly long chase, and a shooting. Why did they lie about this (with the video below, you can no longer deny both the police and Wilson claimed 35 feet, you have their own words here)
Police lied for 108 days about the distance.
Here you will see multiple police sources saying, 2 days after the shooting, that brown's body was 35 feet from the car, not the 153 feet, 9 inches or so that it was shown to be.
MAJOR lie from police, and one that media and protesters gripped onto in a MAJOR way - and rightfully so. You don't just fudge facts like that, particularly when you are the police and it's not exactly a rounding error.
HERE you can hear Wilson in his OWN WORDS claim it was 35 feet away - continuing the obvious lie:
And here you can see the actual distance, measured with pictures and video. There is no confusion here - police and Wilson, both LYING about the distance by a huge margin. WHY?
you see... this is what happens often in these cases.....the police and especially the officer(s) involved begin to fudge the small facts until they add up to a plausible scenario which vindicates the offending officer(s)......they then fudge it on the police report as well where they leave out certain things and add other things...anyone who doesn't believe this goes on is an absolute fucking idiot
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http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/240276/video-captures-shocking-fight-rock-n-roll-mcdonalds
Police said the fight wasn’t connected to another large fight involving at least 30 people at Navy Pier at about 7:45 p.m. Friday evening. Five people were arrested for reckless conduct and a pregnant female was taken to a hospital with non-life threatening injuries after that fight, according police and fire officials.
LMFAO - wish cops had a gatling gun in there for all these thugs
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Never trust cops.
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Is Rob's 150 feet the new Mayor of Bodybuilding's gimme ten names?
150 feet!!!
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you see... this is what happens often in these cases.....the police and especially the officer(s) involved begin to fudge the small facts until they add up to a plausible scenario which vindicates the offending officer(s)......they then fudge it on the police report as well where they leave out certain things and add other things...anyone who doesn't believe this goes on is an absolute fucking idiot
Yes. These little lies might seem trivial to some people. But the distance is a HUGE thing here, since the Cop was trying to connect the viscious beating in the car (well, he had a bruise, but you stick your hand in ANY car, you get shot legally) with the confrontation in the street.
In the street, it's not good when a cop sees a wounded man running and chooses deadly force as #1 and only option. Not ideal, at all. Especially on a foot chase, when he fails to radio anything in.
BUT wilson was clever enough to know that. He explained away his lack of radio call (radio must not be working, even though it was working a minute earlier. Then he tried to CONNECT the car assault with the shooting by saying he jumped out of the car, and VOILA, there was the bad guy ready to finish the job, and he looked like Godzilla and the cop felt like a little 5 year old. nevermind, the cop was 6foot 4, and the bad guy was also 6 foot 4. Only difference was, the Cop was an 8year veteran with lots of training, and Brown was a fatass just out of high school. Any 28 year old with 8 years of police training - who is 6 foot 4 and cries he was scared of another man to be point of feeling like a child--
Well, the cop is hamming it up. And he hammed up the distance too, so nobody realized he traveled half a football field on foot to shoot someone, without calling it in. that's a LONG way to go with a gun in your hand and zero ability to use your body radio to call someone you've already shot.
I don't look at the victim - he deserved life in prison for the assault to begin with. I look at the cop - and as we see, since then, there have been TWO ferguson shooting where they turned off their body cameras before the gun battle. Shady as fck.
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MAYOR OF BODYBUILDING:
GIVE ME 10 NAMES
240ISBACK:
SHOW ME 150 FEET
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Yes. These little lies might seem trivial to some people. But the distance is a HUGE thing here, since the Cop was trying to connect the viscious beating in the car (well, he had a bruise, but you stick your hand in ANY car, you get shot legally) with the confrontation in the street.
In the street, it's not good when a cop sees a wounded man running and chooses deadly force as #1 and only option. Not ideal, at all. Especially on a foot chase, when he fails to radio anything in.
BUT wilson was clever enough to know that. He explained away his lack of radio call (radio must not be working, even though it was working a minute earlier. Then he tried to CONNECT the car assault with the shooting by saying he jumped out of the car, and VOILA, there was the bad guy ready to finish the job, and he looked like Godzilla and the cop felt like a little 5 year old. nevermind, the cop was 6foot 4, and the bad guy was also 6 foot 4. Only difference was, the Cop was an 8year veteran with lots of training, and Brown was a fatass just out of high school. Any 28 year old with 8 years of police training - who is 6 foot 4 and cries he was scared of another man to be point of feeling like a child--
Well, the cop is hamming it up. And he hammed up the distance too, so nobody realized he traveled half a football field on foot to shoot someone, without calling it in. that's a LONG way to go with a gun in your hand and zero ability to use your body radio to call someone you've already shot.
I don't look at the victim - he deserved life in prison for the assault to begin with. I look at the cop - and as we see, since then, there have been TWO ferguson shooting where they turned off their body cameras before the gun battle. Shady as fck.
EXACTLY.....Wilson presented Brown in court as Godzilla.......saying that he was "grunting" and "charging"....I'm surprised he didn't say Brown was shooting fire out of his mouth as well.... and he even added that old police staple.."he suddenly turned and reached in his waistband"........WOW...every single cop that gets in trouble uses that same line......now why would a guy with NO GUN OR KNIFE suddenly reach in his waistband when confronted by an armed cop who he knows is looking for ANY excuse to shoot him????..that makes absolutely no sense......unless Brown was scratching an itch because his underwear was too tight???
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honestly, anyone who defends lowlifes like Brown must have serious ethical/moral problems....Good versus evil...who picks evil....?
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honestly, anyone who defends lowlifes like Brown must have serious ethical/moral problems....Good versus evil...who picks evil....?
I think brown was a piece of shit and deserved a bullet.
BUT I think cops that lie about details in a shooting shouold be banned from police work and maybe prosecuted. Nobody mistakes 35 feet from 150 feet... the police dept did it from day 2 after the shooting, over and over, saying "35 feet..." for the cameras so the jury pool would hear it. Then Wilson goes on ABC news, after being cleared, and STILL pushed the 35 feet line. I mean, photos and video make it VERY clear the blood starts five times further than that. And wilson had months to prepare his testimony.
Certainly a concerted effort to change the distance, to connect the car fight to the shooting, to make us forget the cop ran half a football field with a gun in his hand without radioing it in... knowing he was running for 45 or 60 seconds into Godzilla, feeling like a 5 year old...
It's possible to say Brown deserved the bullet, but the cop is a lying piece of shit too.
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I think brown was a piece of shit and deserved a bullet.
BUT I think cops that lie about details in a shooting shouold be banned from police work and maybe prosecuted. Nobody mistakes 35 feet from 150 feet... the police dept did it from day 2 after the shooting, over and over, saying "35 feet..." for the cameras so the jury pool would hear it. Then Wilson goes on ABC news, after being cleared, and STILL pushed the 35 feet line. I mean, photos and video make it VERY clear the blood starts five times further than that. And wilson had months to prepare his testimony.
Certainly a concerted effort to change the distance, to connect the car fight to the shooting, to make us forget the cop ran half a football field with a gun in his hand without radioing it in... knowing he was running for 45 or 60 seconds into Godzilla, feeling like a 5 year old...
It's possible to say Brown deserved the bullet, but the cop is a lying piece of shit too.
150 FEET!!!!
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1800 inches!!!!
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LMAO!!!
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240-90=150
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Buck Fifty
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Thirty Nickels
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240 getting shot in the back in this thread.
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honestly, anyone who defends lowlifes like Brown must have serious ethical/moral problems....Good versus evil...who picks evil....?
Has nothing to do with Brown..it has to do with a guy getting killed because he was jaywalking
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Has nothing to do with Brown..it has to do with a guy getting killed because he was jaywalking
He didn't get killed for "jaywalking".
Let's not rewrite reality to fit what we want in our minds. Because it be done both ways.
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He didn't get killed for "jaywalking".
Let's not rewrite reality to fit what we want in our minds. Because it be done both ways.
wait a sec....not re-writing reality..my contention has always been that no jaywalking event should escalate to where a the poliuce has tio kill a guy.......The officer told Brown to stop walking in the street...fine.....keep it moving...both of them.....why get into a confrontation over a VIOLATION...not a crime...or misdemeanor...A VIOLATION
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wait a sec....not re-writing reality..my contention has always been that no jaywalking event should escalate to where a the poliuce has tio kill a guy.......The officer told Brown to stop walking in the street...fine.....keep it moving...both of them.....why get into a confrontation over a VIOLATION...not a crime...or misdemeanor...A VIOLATION
When you say "get shot over jay walking", you are making a statement that the person was shot over said infraction. When it was a confrontation in the police vehicle. And we can even go beyond the jaywalking.
Every action has a reaction, every decision or choice we make creates a new reality.
Which leads us to questions like this: Had Michael Brown paid for his cigars like a normal person would have, would he still be alive? Would there have been a jaywalking infraction?
You see, what you really have done, is try and make a convoluted situation simple. When it is not simple.
And there are bigger issues at play than merely police brutality and black folk. But, people only want to see what they want to see. Dogmas are not good in this instance.
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When you say "get shot over jay walking", you are making a statement that the person was shot over said infraction. When it was a confrontation in the police vehicle. And we can even go beyond the jaywalking.
Every action has a reaction, every decision or choice we make creates a new reality.
Which leads us to questions like this: Had Michael Brown paid for his cigars like a normal person would have, would he still be alive? Would there have been a jaywalking infraction?
You see, what you really have done, is try and make a convoluted situation simple. When it is not simple.
And there are bigger issues at play than merely police brutality and black folk. But, people only want to see what they want to see. Dogmas are not good in this instance.
well this is where opinions vary.....I don't know why you connect Brown stealing cigars with him walking in the street....just a few weeks a go an elderly Chinese man was Jaywalking in NY city....the police grabbed him and the man ended up seriously hurt after being beaten....my contention is how does an incident of Jaywalking escalate into an old man being beaten and winding up hospitalized???...give the guy a warning and keep it movign..if Im a cop no way will I let a small situation like that escalate into where i have to beat up a guy or take out my gun
same with brown.....why confront a guy over JAYWALKING
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well this is where opinions vary.....I don't know why you connect Brown stealing cigars with him walking in the street....just a few weeks a go an elderly Chinese man was Jaywalking in NY city....the police grabbed him and the man ended up seriously hurt after being beaten....my contention is how does an incident of Jaywalking escalate into an old man being beaten and winding up hospitalized???...give the guy a warning and keep it movign..if Im a cop no way will I let a small situation like that escalate into where i have to beat up a guy or take out my gun
same with brown.....why confront a guy over JAYWALKING
Let us not use another incident that we really don't know about?
Let's focus on one issue. And let's ask questions. Was Michael Brown and Dorian holding up traffic when walking? Did the officer ask both of them to hurry up? And what did the officer notice about Brown and Dorian (wearing, carrying etc.). And was there a verbal exchange? Think for a second.
Small situations often times escalate to bigger situations when one or both parties want to assert themselves.
The reason why I connect the robbery (which he could be charged in many states for, the use of force to take something is called robbery or strong arm robbery in many states), is because that incident is what began the series of events, which ultimately led to him being shot dead.
In our society today, a very big issue is that personal responsibility is becoming extinct. Due to people's actions, they often times put themselves behind the 8 ball...
Jay walking is a minor offense, but it can and has created accidents and deaths, of the walker and of motorists.
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Let us not use another incident that we really don't know about?
Let's focus on one issue. And let's ask questions. Was Michael Brown and Dorian holding up traffic when walking? Did the officer ask both of them to hurry up? And what did the officer notice about Brown and Dorian (wearing, carrying etc.). And was there a verbal exchange? Think for a second.
Small situations often times escalate to bigger situations when one or both parties want to assert themselves.
The reason why I connect the robbery (which he could be charged in many states for, the use of force to take something is called robbery or strong arm robbery in many states), is because that incident is what began the series of events, which ultimately led to him being shot dead.
In our society today, a very big issue is that personal responsibility is becoming extinct. Due to people's actions, they often times put themselves behind the 8 ball...
Jay walking is a minor offense, but it can and has created accidents and deaths, of the walker and of motorists.
okay...fair enough
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Speculation on everyone's part as to what really happened. We are never really going to know how things really went down. I suspect that the officer is exaggerating and maybe even lying on some key points but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I personally think that if the officer told the truth on every key point he would still be where he is at today.
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Speculation on everyone's part as to what really happened. We are never really going to know how things really went down. I suspect that the officer is exaggerating and maybe even lying on some key points but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I personally think that if the officer told the truth on every key point he would still be where he is at today.
which is my point,,,,why get involved in an altercation with an asshole and destroy your career OVER JAYWALKING...give the asshole a warning and keep it moving
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which is my point,,,,why get involved in an altercation with an asshole and destroy your career OVER JAYWALKING...give the asshole a warning and keep it moving
Did the officer know that there was a robbery and that Brown fit the description? I would think not since he stopped him for jay walking.
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which is my point,,,,why get involved in an altercation with an asshole and destroy your career OVER JAYWALKING...give the asshole a warning and keep it moving
Nobody knew what was going to happen. No officer is going to think "hey I might lose my job over this jaywalking incident "
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Nobody knew what was going to happen. No officer is going to think "hey I might lose my job over this jaywalking incident "
or that he might have to kill a man.
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Yes, police officers never lie ::)
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Yes, police officers never lie ::)
That's the thing. A society that expects perfection where there is none, is constantly let down.
We expect criminals to lie, but in some fanciful naive way, not the police. And what happens when they do?
A very slippery slope, and we are sliding very fast.
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Yes, police officers never lie ::)
Either do "witnesses."
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That's the thing. A society that expects perfection where there is none, is constantly let down.
We expect criminals to lie, but in some fanciful naive way, not the police. And what happens when they do?
A very slippery slope, and we are sliding very fast.
I feel that when it comes to police reports, we CAN expect them not to omit certain things.
"I did use my hands in a chokehold/submission, right before Garner died" might have been one of those details that SHOULD have been in the report lol. Without the video, we never know he was choked - at all.
And the fact Officer wilson cannot tell 35 feet from 150 feet - even 4 months after the shooting? Yes, I can reasonably expect them not to reduce the distance he chased an unarmed perp by 80%.
I don't expect cops to be perfect in the moment. I've even said, Wilson may have shot him out of anger not fear, and he shouoldn't go to prison cause he did get his bell rung. BUT anytime a cop takes the time to fill out a report - and leaves out crucial details which could mean prison time - that's major fraud. That is what makes people HATE cops.
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I feel that when it comes to police reports, we CAN expect them not to omit certain things.
"I did use my hands in a chokehold/submission, right before Garner died" might have been one of those details that SHOULD have been in the report lol. Without the video, we never know he was choked - at all.
And the fact Officer wilson cannot tell 35 feet from 150 feet - even 4 months after the shooting? Yes, I can reasonably expect them not to reduce the distance he chased an unarmed perp by 80%.
I don't expect cops to be perfect in the moment. I've even said, Wilson may have shot him out of anger not fear, and he shouoldn't go to prison cause he did get his bell rung. BUT anytime a cop takes the time to fill out a report - and leaves out crucial details which could mean prison time - that's major fraud. That is what makes people HATE cops.
Yes, HATE!
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The issue is this:
People are horrible eyewitnesses. Forensic studies have shown this time and time again. They have done countless studies where they showed a handful of people the same exact scenario, then had each person recall it. Each person had their own version of the story. Youre never going to get an accurate representation of any scenario. People's senses deceive them, they process information through a very limited filter, which is often the workings of cognitive biases.
Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts: Eyewitness testimony is fickle and, all too often, shockingly inaccurate
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/
IN 1984 KIRK BLOODSWORTH was convicted of the rape and murder of a nine-year-old girl and sentenced to the gas chamber—an outcome that rested largely on the testimony of five eyewitnesses. After Bloodsworth served nine years in prison, DNA testing proved him to be innocent. Such devastating mistakes by eyewitnesses are not rare, according to a report by the Innocence Project, an organization affiliated with the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University that uses DNA testing to exonerate those wrongfully convicted of crimes. Since the 1990s, when DNA testing was first introduced, Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses. How could so many eyewitnesses be wrong?
Eyewitness identification typically involves selecting the alleged perpetrator from a police lineup, but it can also be based on police sketches and other methods. Soon after selecting a suspect, eyewitnesses are asked to make a formal statement confirming the ID and to try to recall any other details about events surrounding the crime. At the trial, which may be years later, eyewitnesses usually testify in court. Because individuals with certain psychological disorders, such as antisocial personality disorder and substance dependence, are at high risk for criminal involvement, they are also at heightened risk for false identifications by eyewitnesses.
Surveys show that most jurors place heavy weight on eyewitness testimony when deciding whether a suspect is guilty. But although eyewitness reports are sometimes accurate, jurors should not accept them uncritically because of the many factors that can bias such reports. For example, jurors tend to give more weight to the testimony of eyewitnesses who report that they are very sure about their identifications even though most studies indicate that highly confident eyewitnesses are generally only slightly more accurate—and sometimes no more so—than those who are less confident. In addition to educating jurors about the uncertainties surrounding eyewitness testimony, adhering to specific rules for the process of identifying suspects can make that testimony more accurate.
Reconstructing Memories
The uncritical acceptance of eyewitness accounts may stem from a popular misconception of how memory works. Many people believe that human memory works like a video recorder: the mind records events and then, on cue, plays back an exact replica of them. On the contrary, psychologists have found that memories are reconstructed rather than played back each time we recall them. The act of remembering, says eminent memory researcher and psychologist Elizabeth F. Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, is “more akin to putting puzzle pieces together than retrieving a video recording.” Even questioning by a lawyer can alter the witness’s testimony because fragments of the memory may unknowingly be combined with information provided by the questioner, leading to inaccurate recall.
Many researchers have created false memories in normal individuals; what is more, many of these subjects are certain that the memories are real. In one well-known study, Loftus and her colleague Jacqueline Pickrell gave subjects written accounts of four events, three of which they had actually experienced. The fourth story was fiction; it centered on the subject being lost in a mall or another public place when he or she was between four and six years old. A relative provided realistic details for the false story, such as a description of the mall at which the subject’s parents shopped. After reading each story, subjects were asked to write down what else they remembered about the incident or to indicate that they did not remember it at all. Remarkably about one third of the subjects reported partially or fully remembering the false event. In two follow-up interviews, 25 percent still claimed that they remembered the untrue story, a figure consistent with the findings of similar studies.
Given the dangers of mistaken convictions based on faulty eyewitness estimony, how can we minimize such errors? The Innocence Project has proposed legislation to improve the accuracy of eyewitness IDs. These proposals include videotaping the identification procedure so that juries can determine if it was conducted properly, putting individuals in the lineup who resemble the witness’s description of the perpetrator, informing the viewer of the lineup that the perpetrator may or may not be in it, and ensuring that the person administering the lineup or other identification procedure does not know who the suspect is. Although only a few cities and states have adopted laws to improve the accuracy of eyewitness identifications, there seems to be a growing interest in doing so.
Expert Testimony
In addition, allowing experts on eyewitness identification to testify in court could educate juries and perhaps lead to more measured evaluation of the testimony. Most U.S. jurisdictions disallow such experts in courtrooms on the grounds that laboratory-based eyewitness research does not apply to the courtroom and that, in any case, its conclusions are mostly common sense and therefore not very enlightening. Yet psychologist Gary Wells of Iowa State University and his colleague Lisa Hasel have amassed considerable evidence showing that the experimental findings do apply to courtroom testimony and that they are often counterintuitive.
Science can and should inform judicial processes to improve the accuracy and assessment of eyewitness accounts. We are seeing some small steps in this direction, but our courts still have a long way to go to better ensure that innocent people are not punished because of flaws in this very influential type of evidence.
Error-Prone IDs
A number of factors can reduce the accuracy of eyewitness identifications. Here are some of them:
Extreme witness stress at the crime scene or during the identification process.
Presence of weapons at the crime (because they can intensify stress and distract witnesses).
Use of a disguise by the perpetrator such as a mask or wig.
A racial disparity between the witness and the suspect.
Brief viewing times at the lineup or during other identification procedures.
A lack of distinctive characteristics of the suspect such as tattoos or extreme height.
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The issue is this:
People are horrible eyewitnesses. Forensic studies have shown this time and time again. They have done countless studies where they showed a handful of people the same exact scenario, then had each person recall it. Each person had their own version of the story. Youre never going to get an accurate representation of any scenario. People's senses deceive them, they process information through a very limited filter, which is often the workings of cognitive biases.
Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts: Eyewitness testimony is fickle and, all too often, shockingly inaccurate
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/
IN 1984 KIRK BLOODSWORTH was convicted of the rape and murder of a nine-year-old girl and sentenced to the gas chamber—an outcome that rested largely on the testimony of five eyewitnesses. After Bloodsworth served nine years in prison, DNA testing proved him to be innocent. Such devastating mistakes by eyewitnesses are not rare, according to a report by the Innocence Project, an organization affiliated with the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University that uses DNA testing to exonerate those wrongfully convicted of crimes. Since the 1990s, when DNA testing was first introduced, Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses. How could so many eyewitnesses be wrong?
Eyewitness identification typically involves selecting the alleged perpetrator from a police lineup, but it can also be based on police sketches and other methods. Soon after selecting a suspect, eyewitnesses are asked to make a formal statement confirming the ID and to try to recall any other details about events surrounding the crime. At the trial, which may be years later, eyewitnesses usually testify in court. Because individuals with certain psychological disorders, such as antisocial personality disorder and substance dependence, are at high risk for criminal involvement, they are also at heightened risk for false identifications by eyewitnesses.
Surveys show that most jurors place heavy weight on eyewitness testimony when deciding whether a suspect is guilty. But although eyewitness reports are sometimes accurate, jurors should not accept them uncritically because of the many factors that can bias such reports. For example, jurors tend to give more weight to the testimony of eyewitnesses who report that they are very sure about their identifications even though most studies indicate that highly confident eyewitnesses are generally only slightly more accurate—and sometimes no more so—than those who are less confident. In addition to educating jurors about the uncertainties surrounding eyewitness testimony, adhering to specific rules for the process of identifying suspects can make that testimony more accurate.
Reconstructing Memories
The uncritical acceptance of eyewitness accounts may stem from a popular misconception of how memory works. Many people believe that human memory works like a video recorder: the mind records events and then, on cue, plays back an exact replica of them. On the contrary, psychologists have found that memories are reconstructed rather than played back each time we recall them. The act of remembering, says eminent memory researcher and psychologist Elizabeth F. Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, is “more akin to putting puzzle pieces together than retrieving a video recording.” Even questioning by a lawyer can alter the witness’s testimony because fragments of the memory may unknowingly be combined with information provided by the questioner, leading to inaccurate recall.
Many researchers have created false memories in normal individuals; what is more, many of these subjects are certain that the memories are real. In one well-known study, Loftus and her colleague Jacqueline Pickrell gave subjects written accounts of four events, three of which they had actually experienced. The fourth story was fiction; it centered on the subject being lost in a mall or another public place when he or she was between four and six years old. A relative provided realistic details for the false story, such as a description of the mall at which the subject’s parents shopped. After reading each story, subjects were asked to write down what else they remembered about the incident or to indicate that they did not remember it at all. Remarkably about one third of the subjects reported partially or fully remembering the false event. In two follow-up interviews, 25 percent still claimed that they remembered the untrue story, a figure consistent with the findings of similar studies.
Given the dangers of mistaken convictions based on faulty eyewitness estimony, how can we minimize such errors? The Innocence Project has proposed legislation to improve the accuracy of eyewitness IDs. These proposals include videotaping the identification procedure so that juries can determine if it was conducted properly, putting individuals in the lineup who resemble the witness’s description of the perpetrator, informing the viewer of the lineup that the perpetrator may or may not be in it, and ensuring that the person administering the lineup or other identification procedure does not know who the suspect is. Although only a few cities and states have adopted laws to improve the accuracy of eyewitness identifications, there seems to be a growing interest in doing so.
Expert Testimony
In addition, allowing experts on eyewitness identification to testify in court could educate juries and perhaps lead to more measured evaluation of the testimony. Most U.S. jurisdictions disallow such experts in courtrooms on the grounds that laboratory-based eyewitness research does not apply to the courtroom and that, in any case, its conclusions are mostly common sense and therefore not very enlightening. Yet psychologist Gary Wells of Iowa State University and his colleague Lisa Hasel have amassed considerable evidence showing that the experimental findings do apply to courtroom testimony and that they are often counterintuitive.
Science can and should inform judicial processes to improve the accuracy and assessment of eyewitness accounts. We are seeing some small steps in this direction, but our courts still have a long way to go to better ensure that innocent people are not punished because of flaws in this very influential type of evidence.
Error-Prone IDs
A number of factors can reduce the accuracy of eyewitness identifications. Here are some of them:
Extreme witness stress at the crime scene or during the identification process.
Presence of weapons at the crime (because they can intensify stress and distract witnesses).
Use of a disguise by the perpetrator such as a mask or wig.
A racial disparity between the witness and the suspect.
Brief viewing times at the lineup or during other identification procedures.
A lack of distinctive characteristics of the suspect such as tattoos or extreme height.
tl;dr. Sorry.
Bet it was good stuff, though.
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tl;dr. Sorry.
Bet it was good stuff, though.
Basically, its saying that eyewitness accounts suck and are not reliable forms of evidence.
As stated, they have done studies where they have showed people the same scenario and each person then reported their own version. And the same people that saw the same scenario often differed on key points of the scenario. Its crazy how so many people can see the same thing, yet report different things.
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Basically, its saying that eyewitness accounts suck and are not reliable forms of evidence.
As stated, they have done studies where they have showed people the same scenario and each person then reported their own version. And the same people that saw the same scenario often differed on key points of the scenario. Its crazy how so many people can see the same thing, yet report different things.
Certainly makes sense in Ferguson, where folks who didn't even see the event had conflicting reports.
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not reading everything.............. ............
i dont care
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Certainly makes sense in Ferguson, where folks who didn't even see the event had conflicting reports.
So, they were just making stuff up? ??? ???
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So, they were just making stuff up? ??? ???
it happens all the time
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So, they were just making stuff up? ??? ???
Yes. Exactly why the D.A. dismissed dozens right off the bat; they never saw the f'n shooting. They parroted the idiotic 'Hands up' bullshit, yet weren't even there. Read the Grand Jury report.
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The issue is this:
People are horrible eyewitnesses. Forensic studies have shown this time and time again. They have done countless studies where they showed a handful of people the same exact scenario, then had each person recall it. Each person had their own version of the story. Youre never going to get an accurate representation of any scenario. People's senses deceive them, they process information through a very limited filter, which is often the workings of cognitive biases.
Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts: Eyewitness testimony is fickle and, all too often, shockingly inaccurate
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/
IN 1984 KIRK BLOODSWORTH was convicted of the rape and murder of a nine-year-old girl and sentenced to the gas chamber—an outcome that rested largely on the testimony of five eyewitnesses. After Bloodsworth served nine years in prison, DNA testing proved him to be innocent. Such devastating mistakes by eyewitnesses are not rare, according to a report by the Innocence Project, an organization affiliated with the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University that uses DNA testing to exonerate those wrongfully convicted of crimes. Since the 1990s, when DNA testing was first introduced, Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses. How could so many eyewitnesses be wrong?
Eyewitness identification typically involves selecting the alleged perpetrator from a police lineup, but it can also be based on police sketches and other methods. Soon after selecting a suspect, eyewitnesses are asked to make a formal statement confirming the ID and to try to recall any other details about events surrounding the crime. At the trial, which may be years later, eyewitnesses usually testify in court. Because individuals with certain psychological disorders, such as antisocial personality disorder and substance dependence, are at high risk for criminal involvement, they are also at heightened risk for false identifications by eyewitnesses.
Surveys show that most jurors place heavy weight on eyewitness testimony when deciding whether a suspect is guilty. But although eyewitness reports are sometimes accurate, jurors should not accept them uncritically because of the many factors that can bias such reports. For example, jurors tend to give more weight to the testimony of eyewitnesses who report that they are very sure about their identifications even though most studies indicate that highly confident eyewitnesses are generally only slightly more accurate—and sometimes no more so—than those who are less confident. In addition to educating jurors about the uncertainties surrounding eyewitness testimony, adhering to specific rules for the process of identifying suspects can make that testimony more accurate.
Reconstructing Memories
The uncritical acceptance of eyewitness accounts may stem from a popular misconception of how memory works. Many people believe that human memory works like a video recorder: the mind records events and then, on cue, plays back an exact replica of them. On the contrary, psychologists have found that memories are reconstructed rather than played back each time we recall them. The act of remembering, says eminent memory researcher and psychologist Elizabeth F. Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, is “more akin to putting puzzle pieces together than retrieving a video recording.” Even questioning by a lawyer can alter the witness’s testimony because fragments of the memory may unknowingly be combined with information provided by the questioner, leading to inaccurate recall.
Many researchers have created false memories in normal individuals; what is more, many of these subjects are certain that the memories are real. In one well-known study, Loftus and her colleague Jacqueline Pickrell gave subjects written accounts of four events, three of which they had actually experienced. The fourth story was fiction; it centered on the subject being lost in a mall or another public place when he or she was between four and six years old. A relative provided realistic details for the false story, such as a description of the mall at which the subject’s parents shopped. After reading each story, subjects were asked to write down what else they remembered about the incident or to indicate that they did not remember it at all. Remarkably about one third of the subjects reported partially or fully remembering the false event. In two follow-up interviews, 25 percent still claimed that they remembered the untrue story, a figure consistent with the findings of similar studies.
Given the dangers of mistaken convictions based on faulty eyewitness estimony, how can we minimize such errors? The Innocence Project has proposed legislation to improve the accuracy of eyewitness IDs. These proposals include videotaping the identification procedure so that juries can determine if it was conducted properly, putting individuals in the lineup who resemble the witness’s description of the perpetrator, informing the viewer of the lineup that the perpetrator may or may not be in it, and ensuring that the person administering the lineup or other identification procedure does not know who the suspect is. Although only a few cities and states have adopted laws to improve the accuracy of eyewitness identifications, there seems to be a growing interest in doing so.
Expert Testimony
In addition, allowing experts on eyewitness identification to testify in court could educate juries and perhaps lead to more measured evaluation of the testimony. Most U.S. jurisdictions disallow such experts in courtrooms on the grounds that laboratory-based eyewitness research does not apply to the courtroom and that, in any case, its conclusions are mostly common sense and therefore not very enlightening. Yet psychologist Gary Wells of Iowa State University and his colleague Lisa Hasel have amassed considerable evidence showing that the experimental findings do apply to courtroom testimony and that they are often counterintuitive.
Science can and should inform judicial processes to improve the accuracy and assessment of eyewitness accounts. We are seeing some small steps in this direction, but our courts still have a long way to go to better ensure that innocent people are not punished because of flaws in this very influential type of evidence.
Error-Prone IDs
A number of factors can reduce the accuracy of eyewitness identifications. Here are some of them:
Extreme witness stress at the crime scene or during the identification process.
Presence of weapons at the crime (because they can intensify stress and distract witnesses).
Use of a disguise by the perpetrator such as a mask or wig.
A racial disparity between the witness and the suspect.
Brief viewing times at the lineup or during other identification procedures.
A lack of distinctive characteristics of the suspect such as tattoos or extreme height.
Very interesting.
If this is accurate & know to police & judiciary
I wonder why so much priority is placed on it.
With Such a high inaccuracy rate.
Miscarriage of trials are going to happen.
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ye and why not put in the news every black on white or black on black crime instead...
news would be flooded if that was the case but no mention about that ::)
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ye and why not put in the news every black on white or black on black crime instead...
news would be flooded if that was the case but no mention about that ::)
The press has everyone in a hysterical panic over cops shooting a few blacks. They are acting like it's a huge epidemic but they don't care about the avalanche of black on black or black on white murder. If I didn't know better I would say the press has an agenda other than simply reporting the facts of what's going on.