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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Thong Maniac on January 06, 2015, 03:18:27 PM
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Taken from someone on pro muscle
"Forgive me if you have been asked this before - as you probably have. Would you be willing to share your cruising protocol? Meadows recently stated he was at 400mg test and 4iu GH during his off-season cruise.....
Just curious - please accept my apologies if the question is out of line.
Thanks"
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Most of the time, he looks like an overripe tomato.
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He forgot to add "EOD".
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Most of the time, he looks like an overripe tomato.
If the avatar pic is you - not terrible - as lean and probably as big as most natural guys know how to get.. But just because you have an aversion to AAS dont go look like a jealous bitch and badmouth the larger guys.. If you need some advice on getting bigger and a little leaner send me a PM -- no charge.. I won my first NPC show totally natural -- just wanted to move up to the heavies and eventually supers so had to dabble a little... You wouldn't believe how little it takes with proper genetics so won't go there but I can help you gain a physique you could at least be proud of instead of that my man...
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If the avatar pic is you - not terrible - as lean and probably as big as most natural guys know how to get.. But just because you have an aversion to AAS dont go look like a jealous bitch and badmouth the larger guys.. If you need some advice on getting bigger and a little leaner send me a PM -- no charge.. I won my first NPC show totally natural -- just wanted to move up to the heavies and eventually supers so had to dabble a little... You wouldn't believe how little it takes with proper genetics so won't go there but I can help you gain a physique you could at least be proud of instead of that my man...
I wouldn't exactly say I have an aversion to AAS...
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I wouldn't exactly say I have an aversion to AAS...
Sorry man - it just looks like you are natural and I figured from your comment you were anti that "red faced juicer look" - I disagree as I have never seen John look that way.. He is far healthier than 99% of the population I can assure you
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Forrilla guerilla is full of shit.
No evidence to support a single claim.
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Forrilla guerilla is full of shit.
No evidence to support a single claim.
Everyone knows he'd have purple stars if he competed...
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Sounds legit , lee priest and Dusty Handjob both follow a similar regime between contests - sometimes adding a preworkout dbol when they really feel like pushing the boat out.
It's their superior genetics and work ethic that allow them to take less in a week than their peers do every day
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I believe it if every thing is on point 400mgs a week can maintain his size, he didn't tell you for how long. I'm sure 24 weeks out he starts to blast pretty hard
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Taken from someone on pro muscle
"Forgive me if you have been asked this before - as you probably have. Would you be willing to share your cruising protocol? Meadows recently stated he was at 400mg test and 4iu GH during his off-season cruise.....
Just curious - please accept my apologies if the question is out of line.
Thanks"
He forgot to say how many servings of Mag-10 and Indigo 3G he takes a day.
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Yes, he always looks unhealthy (blood pressure look) glad to hear that he is healthy though...
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If the avatar pic is you - not terrible - as lean and probably as big as most natural guys know how to get.. But just because you have an aversion to AAS dont go look like a jealous bitch and badmouth the larger guys.. If you need some advice on getting bigger and a little leaner send me a PM -- no charge.. I won my first NPC show totally natural -- just wanted to move up to the heavies and eventually supers so had to dabble a little... You wouldn't believe how little it takes with proper genetics so won't go there but I can help you gain a physique you could at least be proud of instead of that my man...
Maybe for a average white guy... Hebrews beg to defer ;D
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Maybe for a average white guy... Hebrews beg to defer ;D
Haha!
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Disgusting....He has the Permanent Sunburned look...
Lobster red "Flushed" face and neck.......Just garbage skin tone all around...
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Disgusting....He has the Permanent Sunburned look...
Lobster red "Flushed" face and neck.......Just garbage skin tone all around...
Careful...forillagorilla "knows" him. He's the picture of health!
Oh, and Mr. Gorilla will be happy to regale you with his vast AAS experience. Just PM him.
We'll let his stats ("245 ripped") speak for themselves, sight unseen.
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Careful...forillagorilla "knows" him. He's the picture of health!
Oh, and Mr. Gorilla will be happy to regale you with his vast AAS experience. Just PM him.
We'll let his stats ("245 ripped") speak for themselves, sight unseen.
I have a theory that forillagorilla is actually the mayor of bodybuilding.
He gets very defensive over his beloved bbers.
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I have a theory that forillagorilla is actually the mayor of bodybuilding.
He gets very defensive over his beloved bbers.
You might be close, physique-wise.
Soon, FG will post a pic of Frank McGrath claiming it's him and the circle will be complete.
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Disgusting....He has the Permanent Sunburned look...
Lobster red "Flushed" face and neck.......Just garbage skin tone all around...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=562560.0;attach=593965;image).
Man, even that smile looks strained and painful. Look of a man that wants to find a chair and just rest.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=562560.0;attach=593965;image).
Man, even that smile looks strained and painful. Look of a man that wants to find a chair and just rest.
Actually, that is one of his most normal looking photos. Trouble is he almost never looks like that. Meadows typically looks like a chemical experiment... gone wrong. He should be a coach/guru and never step on stage. Bah!
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If the avatar pic is you - not terrible - as lean and probably as big as most natural guys know how to get.. But just because you have an aversion to AAS dont go look like a jealous bitch and badmouth the larger guys.. If you need some advice on getting bigger and a little leaner send me a PM -- no charge.. I won my first NPC show totally natural -- just wanted to move up to the heavies and eventually supers so had to dabble a little... You wouldn't believe how little it takes with proper genetics so won't go there but I can help you gain a physique you could at least be proud of instead of that my man...
Melting down again, I see...
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If the avatar pic is you - not terrible - as lean and probably as big as most natural guys know how to get.. But just because you have an aversion to AAS dont go look like a jealous bitch and badmouth the larger guys.. If you need some advice on getting bigger and a little leaner send me a PM -- no charge.. I won my first NPC show totally natural -- just wanted to move up to the heavies and eventually supers so had to dabble a little... You wouldn't believe how little it takes with proper genetics so won't go there but I can help you gain a physique you could at least be proud of instead of that my man...
Oh brother, another secret competitor, at least your not claiming to be a pro... Bonus points for the natty claims, you must have top gentics ::)
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Oh brother, another secret competitor, at least your not claiming to be a pro... Bonus points for the natty claims, you must have top gentics ::)
Oh you didn't know he's a musclemaina guy! The elite of the elite. A shredded 195 all natty.
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Oh you didn't know he's a musclemaina guy! The elite of the elite. A shredded 195 all natty.
In another thread, he claims 245 "shredded". A beast indeed.
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Meadows = nice guy regardless.
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Sorry man - it just looks like you are natural and I figured from your comment you were anti that "red faced juicer look" - I disagree as I have never seen John look that way..
It's an aberration if he doesn't look that way..
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Disgusting....He has the Permanent Sunburned look...
Lobster red "Flushed" face and neck.......Just garbage skin tone all around...
Maybe he just takes a lot of niacin ???
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Evan Centopani and John Meadows
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He is shredded though
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Taken from someone on pro muscle
"Forgive me if you have been asked this before - as you probably have. Would you be willing to share your cruising protocol? Meadows recently stated he was at 400mg test and 4iu GH during his off-season cruise.....
Just curious - please accept my apologies if the question is out of line.
Thanks"
Of course he could. The guy has a ton of mass and will not lose much of it at all if he cruises for a while.
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Of course he could. The guy has a ton of mass and will not lose much of it at all if he cruises for a while.
Que?
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Of course he could. The guy has a ton of mass and will not lose much of it at all if he cruises for a while.
I think this is what a lot people don't understand. When they see someone with size they immediately think they're on a ton of gear. IMO (and from personal experience) you don't need a that much while either prepping for a show or not. This is why I have a hard time believing some of the ridiculous cycles that some post. I personally don't believe that the top pro's are even on as much as some think.
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I think this is what a lot people don't understand. When they see someone with size they immediately think they're on a ton of gear. IMO (and from personal experience) you don't need a that much while either prepping for a show or not. This is why I have a hard time believing some of the ridiculous cycles that some post. I personally don't believe that the top pro's are even on as much as some think.
It's all relative to me, if a guy that takes GH, slin, on top of steroids and peptides that's a lot to me , maybe not for a competitor
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It's all relative to me, if a guy that takes GH, slin, on top of steroids and peptides that's a lot to me , maybe not for a competitor
Is that a lot or is it relative to you? :D
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Is that a lot or is it relative to you? :D
;D that's a lot for gym rat but I guess for someone competing it isn't
I mean who needs slin, GH, and steroids as a gym rat right?
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;D that's a lot for gym rat but I guess for someone competing it isn't
I mean who needs slin, GH, and steroids as a gym rat right?
Plenty of guys who want look good on the street, beach or party as well..
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preach health by grassfed beef/healthy fats
but take G's of AAS and HGH
sorry... Im confused ??? ???
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It's an aberration if he doesn't look that way..
So you know him?? Cause I do fucknut and though you talk shit here you are like all the pussies and shut the fuck up when in real life
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So you know him?? Cause I do fucknut and though you talk shit here you are like all the pussies and shut the fuck up when in real life
I will be seeing John in the next few days. How do you know him?
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First off.. John posts his blood work quit frequently .. His bp ect are all in range.. Look at his Facebook and you can see some of his bloodwork.. Secondly john is a good buddy of mine.. I know what he does.. Is very open and honest.. I can tell ya it is nothing spectacular in the least.. Most of the year it's rather laughable compared to what many on here do and don't enter a show.. Could he be lying? In most people's case I d tell ya I'd be suspicious.. But in johns not at all..
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I will be seeing John in the next few days. How do you know him?
No - you won't lol.
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No - you won't lol.
See him in the gym and around my area every so often.
How do you know him?
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I think this is what a lot people don't understand. When they see someone with size they immediately think they're on a ton of gear. IMO (and from personal experience) you don't need a that much while either prepping for a show or not. This is why I have a hard time believing some of the ridiculous cycles that some post. I personally don't believe that the top pro's are even on as much as some think.
What do you mean by "not much"? It seems to vary widely.
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It's really in the gh and slin. I've personal talked to a guy that does 15iu a day and that's national guy. Pros are around the 20iu mark with 2 or 3 grams of gear a week. It's not crazy like gh15 style 5 or 6 gram stacks. The really crazy sizes comes from the crazy gh and insulin they take.
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What do you mean by "not much"? It seems to vary widely.
Meadows said 400 test and 4iu GH. That's "not much" and could easily maintain size on that.
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Meadows said 400 test and 4iu GH. That's "not much".
At his level those are baby dosages
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At his level those are baby dosages
And like I said in my edit, he could easily maintain his size on that.
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Look, morons. The dude is on DRUGS. It doesn't matter how much or how little or when he takes more. He's still using some dangerous shit - insulin, GH, peptides, and steroids.
He looks like it, too.
What baffles me is WHY does he do it?
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I don't understand the hatred for John on this site.
he's one of the "good guys" in the sport, and one of the few who're actually worth more than what they charge.
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I don't understand the hatred for John on this site.
he's one of the "good guys" in the sport, and one of the few who're actually worth more than what they charge.
I don't understand it either. One of the few I would listen and learn from about training.
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I don't understand it either. One of the few I would listen and learn from about training.
Because using drugs has nothing to do with him as a person.
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And like I said in my edit, he could easily maintain his size on that.
Thats exactly right Coach.. It does NOT take the asinine dosages these kids spew... Are there morons at every level that abuse?? Of course but when you have the right GENETICS it doesn't take as much...
The funny thing is that when idiots dispute genetics and talk about how someone looks clean versus how they look enhanced - it rei forces their ignorance...
The genetics that we are talking about is the genetic response to gear!! When I was younger I admit that OMG I used aas... I took ONE cc a week of 200mg enanthate (test) and literally grew so fast it hurt.. My heaviest use when I was 5'8" at 245 lean enough for abs with veins everywhere - I was on a little over ONE gram a week TOTAL!!! I couldn't give a shit how much someone uses and I dont judge... I may disagree or think its dangerous but a grown sss man can do what he wants with his body and why the fuck would I care??? But it seems like some guys get butt hurt because they take 5 grams and it just doesn't seem to get them there and they are for some insane reason jealous or something... I don't get that gay ass shit.. There is nothing wrong with not having the genes for bodybuilding... I was a pretty damn good basketball player and made all district and third team all state but hey - I had to accept I wasn't going to play that any higher level.. Played football but was basically practice team.. Was as strong as hell but there were dudes that never fucking lifted and were 6 feet close to 300 running 5 in the 40... What could I do about that??? Nothing- and would have acting like a jealous pussy have helped? No it would have made me a loser... I had to lighten WAY up to be combat ready and had to scale back twice because I was not nearly as battle efficient at a higher level of muscularity ..
Point is that as much of a guy as I act like I genuinely dont dislike anyone here.. I go off because I hate seeing people act weak... Navy Mike maybe I totally misread you.. I got a bad taste because of all the $$ that it seemed you were milking.. But I wi be honest - I am not as informed on things like PTSD... It wasn't talked about much when I was in and I guess the sick shit I saw and did fucked with my head and I just felt like I had to suck it up and deal - so maybe I am guilty of being a little jealous that no one seemed to give a shit about us.. And if so that shameful and I apologize... My father would shoot me in the leg or ass for that (I am only partially in jest there - my pops is a hard mother fucker)
I gotta stop posting man - this fucking place get addictive.. There is nothing bkdgbuilding related here but there ARE a shot load of characters...
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I wish I could use but I'm afraid my liver won't hold up. I always wondered if only test safe to use. Meds I'm using fucked up my estradiol and test levels
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Thats exactly right Coach.. It does NOT take the asinine dosages these kids spew... Are there morons at every level that abuse?? Of course but when you have the right GENETICS it doesn't take as much...
The funny thing is that when idiots dispute genetics and talk about how someone looks clean versus how they look enhanced - it rei forces their ignorance...
The genetics that we are talking about is the genetic response to gear!! When I was younger I admit that OMG I used aas... I took ONE cc a week of 200mg enanthate (test) and literally grew so fast it hurt.. My heaviest use when I was 5'8" at 245 lean enough for abs with veins everywhere - I was on a little over ONE gram a week TOTAL!!! I couldn't give a shit how much someone uses and I dont judge... I may disagree or think its dangerous but a grown sss man can do what he wants with his body and why the fuck would I care??? But it seems like some guys get butt hurt because they take 5 grams and it just doesn't seem to get them there and they are for some insane reason jealous or something... I don't get that gay ass shit.. There is nothing wrong with not having the genes for bodybuilding... I was a pretty damn good basketball player and made all district and third team all state but hey - I had to accept I wasn't going to play that any higher level.. Played football but was basically practice team.. Was as strong as hell but there were dudes that never fucking lifted and were 6 feet close to 300 running 5 in the 40... What could I do about that??? Nothing- and would have acting like a jealous pussy have helped? No it would have made me a loser... I had to lighten WAY up to be combat ready and had to scale back twice because I was not nearly as battle efficient at a higher level of muscularity ..
Point is that as much of a guy as I act like I genuinely dont dislike anyone here.. I go off because I hate seeing people act weak... Navy Mike maybe I totally misread you.. I got a bad taste because of all the $$ that it seemed you were milking.. But I wi be honest - I am not as informed on things like PTSD... It wasn't talked about much when I was in and I guess the sick shit I saw and did fucked with my head and I just felt like I had to suck it up and deal - so maybe I am guilty of being a little jealous that no one seemed to give a shit about us.. And if so that shameful and I apologize... My father would shoot me in the leg or ass for that (I am only partially in jest there - my pops is a hard mother fucker)
I gotta stop posting man - this fucking place get addictive.. There is nothing bkdgbuilding related here but there ARE a shot load of characters...
LOL - no you didn't lil fella.
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Thats exactly right Coach.. It does NOT take the asinine dosages these kids spew... Are there morons at every level that abuse?? Of course but when you have the right GENETICS it doesn't take as much...
The funny thing is that when idiots dispute genetics and talk about how someone looks clean versus how they look enhanced - it rei forces their ignorance...
The genetics that we are talking about is the genetic response to gear!! When I was younger I admit that OMG I used aas... I took ONE cc a week of 200mg enanthate (test) and literally grew so fast it hurt.. My heaviest use when I was 5'8" at 245 lean enough for abs with veins everywhere - I was on a little over ONE gram a week TOTAL!!! I couldn't give a shit how much someone uses and I dont judge... I may disagree or think its dangerous but a grown sss man can do what he wants with his body and why the fuck would I care??? But it seems like some guys get butt hurt because they take 5 grams and it just doesn't seem to get them there and they are for some insane reason jealous or something... I don't get that gay ass shit.. There is nothing wrong with not having the genes for bodybuilding... I was a pretty damn good basketball player and made all district and third team all state but hey - I had to accept I wasn't going to play that any higher level.. Played football but was basically practice team.. Was as strong as hell but there were dudes that never fucking lifted and were 6 feet close to 300 running 5 in the 40... What could I do about that??? Nothing- and would have acting like a jealous pussy have helped? No it would have made me a loser... I had to lighten WAY up to be combat ready and had to scale back twice because I was not nearly as battle efficient at a higher level of muscularity ..
Point is that as much of a guy as I act like I genuinely dont dislike anyone here.. I go off because I hate seeing people act weak... Navy Mike maybe I totally misread you.. I got a bad taste because of all the $$ that it seemed you were milking.. But I wi be honest - I am not as informed on things like PTSD... It wasn't talked about much when I was in and I guess the sick shit I saw and did fucked with my head and I just felt like I had to suck it up and deal - so maybe I am guilty of being a little jealous that no one seemed to give a shit about us.. And if so that shameful and I apologize... My father would shoot me in the leg or ass for that (I am only partially in jest there - my pops is a hard mother fucker)
I gotta stop posting man - this fucking place get addictive.. There is nothing bkdgbuilding related here but there ARE a shot load of characters...
Hey man no worries everyone is different and process thing differently then others I can fault you in the way you feel about somthing.. PTSD and service related depression is a terrible thing, I've lost a few friends to it. But it's somthing you got to live with. Every buddy's got issues and I mean everyone. You just to to remeber someone always has it worse. Just life your life to be happy, if bodybuilding does that or if being great at what you do for a living gives your pride then by all means do it!
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Meadows said 400 test and 4iu GH. That's "not much" and could easily maintain size on that.
No, that's not much at all. I don't know if everyone can "easily" maintain his level of development on that. Of course it depends on how long he is on that maintenance dose. John is a very, very advance bodybuilder and I am sure he used a lot, lot more to achieve that level of size and conditioning. Maybe he could maintain that level on 400 test for maybe a couple of months before deconditioning sets in.
Of course I, nor anybody else, can know for sure but I also base this on both personal experience and the experience of others. A now pro bber said it was his friendship with Kai Greene that opened his eyes to how much it took to be a pro let alone a top level pro. He now uses 7 grams of Test a week. And that's just Test. Other anabolics are liberally added. It was dramatically increasing his use that was the turning point and allowed him to turn pro. A goal he had set for himself and was determined to reach it at all costs.
Every advance bbering have I have talk to and read has confessed that at the advance level they have maxed out on training, nutrition and rest. No training or nutritional program will do anything to advance at the top levels. It then becomes a matter of hormones and peptides and what you can afford.
Of course this is in regard to gaining additional muscle mass. When it comes to conditioning, defined here as low body fat and dryness (not athletic conditioning and performance which is vastly different and more your concern) then diet plays a much bigger role.
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No, that's not much at all. I don't know if everyone can "easily" maintain his level of development on that. Of course it depends on how long he is on that maintenance dose. John is a very, very advance bodybuilder and I am sure he used a lot, lot more to achieve that level of size and conditioning. Maybe he could maintain that level on 400 test for maybe a couple of months before deconditioning sets in.
Of course I, nor anybody else, can know for sure but I also base this on both personal experience and the experience of others. A now pro bber said it was his friendship with Kai Greene that opened his eyes to how much it took to be a pro let alone a top level pro. He now uses 7 grams of Test a week. And that's just Test. Other anabolics are liberally added. It was dramatically increasing his use that was the turning point and allowed him to turn pro. A goal he had set for himself and was determined to reach it at all costs.
Every advance bbering have I have talk to and read has confessed that at the advance level they have maxed out on training, nutrition and rest. No training or nutritional program will do anything to advance at the top levels. It then becomes a matter of hormones and peptides and what you can afford.
Of course this is in regard to gaining additional muscle mass. When it comes to conditioning, defined here as low body fat and dryness (not athletic conditioning and performance which is vastly different and more your concern) then diet plays a much bigger role.
Funny you mention that I also heard from a guy that knows guy that the guys uses massive I mean massive amounts of drugs.
Like stated above I think it comes down to your genetic response to drugs. Are all the top pros shooting up tons of gear? Yes. But their response to the drugs determines just how many grams.
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Instead of wondering why people doubt John Meadow's health, how about we discuss why ForillaGorilla and others lose their shit, start talking to themselves, etc over drug dosages? Because they cannot handle it.
Fact: YOU USE DRUGS. No body cares about your superior genetics to respond positively to them.
Do you hear me or what?
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No, that's not much at all. I don't know if everyone can "easily" maintain his level of development on that. Of course it depends on how long he is on that maintenance dose. John is a very, very advance bodybuilder and I am sure he used a lot, lot more to achieve that level of size and conditioning. Maybe he could maintain that level on 400 test for maybe a couple of months before deconditioning sets in.
Of course I, nor anybody else, can know for sure but I also base this on both personal experience and the experience of others. A now pro bber said it was his friendship with Kai Greene that opened his eyes to how much it took to be a pro let alone a top level pro. He now uses 7 grams of Test a week. And that's just Test. Other anabolics are liberally added. It was dramatically increasing his use that was the turning point and allowed him to turn pro. A goal he had set for himself and was determined to reach it at all costs.
Every advance bbering have I have talk to and read has confessed that at the advance level they have maxed out on training, nutrition and rest. No training or nutritional program will do anything to advance at the top levels. It then becomes a matter of hormones and peptides and what you can afford.
Of course this is in regard to gaining additional muscle mass. When it comes to conditioning, defined here as low body fat and dryness (not athletic conditioning and performance which is vastly different and more your concern) then diet plays a much bigger role.
X2 at least someone gets it
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No, that's not much at all. I don't know if everyone can "easily" maintain his level of development on that. Of course it depends on how long he is on that maintenance dose. John is a very, very advance bodybuilder and I am sure he used a lot, lot more to achieve that level of size and conditioning. Maybe he could maintain that level on 400 test for maybe a couple of months before deconditioning sets in.
Of course I, nor anybody else, can know for sure but I also base this on both personal experience and the experience of others. A now pro bber said it was his friendship with Kai Greene that opened his eyes to how much it took to be a pro let alone a top level pro. He now uses 7 grams of Test a week. And that's just Test. Other anabolics are liberally added. It was dramatically increasing his use that was the turning point and allowed him to turn pro. A goal he had set for himself and was determined to reach it at all costs.
Every advance bbering have I have talk to and read has confessed that at the advance level they have maxed out on training, nutrition and rest. No training or nutritional program will do anything to advance at the top levels. It then becomes a matter of hormones and peptides and what you can afford.
Of course this is in regard to gaining additional muscle mass. When it comes to conditioning, defined here as low body fat and dryness (not athletic conditioning and performance which is vastly different and more your concern) then diet plays a much bigger role.
What about the theory of diminishing returns when it comes to test? Beyond 2-3gms surely its all side effects?
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Look, morons. The dude is on DRUGS. It doesn't matter how much or how little or when he takes more. He's still using some dangerous shit - insulin, GH, peptides, and steroids.
He looks like it, too.
What baffles me is WHY does he do it?
Hormones are not drugs. Insulin, HGH and AAS has done a lot to enhance a person's quality of life. They were developed for a reason and it wasn't for bodybuilding. It's the abuse that's harmful. But abuse of anything is harmful. Probably the most abused substance in this country (USA) is food.
All of life is a matter of degrees. It matters profoundly "how much or how little" one takes.
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What about the theory of diminishing returns when it comes to test? Beyond 2-3gms surely its all side effects?
Of course there are diminishing returns. That applies to everything. How much more muscle could Ronnie have possibly put on no matter what he took? But the point is when you reach a standstill at x amount of grams and have to take exponentially more to eek out a bit more lean muscle mass then what choice do you have if you want to be number one? Your choice is eeking out that few more pounds or even ounces or nothing.
It depends on what you want in life and how far you want to go.
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If I looked that red in the face I would probably turn vegan and get into yoga and abandon the bodybuilding lifestyle forever lol.
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If I looked that red in the face I would probably turn vegan and get into yoga and abandon the bodybuilding lifestyle forever lol.
And ending with a feminine body (minus the tits)? No thanks!
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If the avatar pic is you - not terrible - as lean and probably as big as most natural guys know how to get.. But just because you have an aversion to AAS dont go look like a jealous bitch and badmouth the larger guys.. If you need some advice on getting bigger and a little leaner send me a PM -- no charge.. I won my first NPC show totally natural -- just wanted to move up to the heavies and eventually supers so had to dabble a little... You wouldn't believe how little it takes with proper genetics so won't go there but I can help you gain a physique you could at least be proud of instead of that my man...
I agree with you, on making gains with small amounts after a solid natural foundation base.
I also competed and did just fine without any juice in regional NPC shows in my wt class.
The reality is , the vast majority of hardcore bodybuilders use AAS and many use extreme amounts.
So, it's no wonder that plenty of young bucks think drugs are very important in getting bigger and stronger.
To me it's similar to the modern bench shirts , competitive benchers now use.
These super-fiber shirts allow the top guys to bench 200-300 more lbs then they can without one.
They can get quite defensive about it too.
They often go on and on about how heavy the wt is and how you have to train hard and work with the shirt to learn the technique, etc.
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Of course he could. The guy has a ton of mass and will not lose much of it at all if he cruises for a while.
This. I can't believe the rest of you fuckers believe someone will shrink to nothing and fall apart on those doses. Odds are you won't if you keep training and eating. So many stupid fucks without a clue in this thread.
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preach health by grassfed beef/healthy fats
but take G's of AAS and HGH
sorry... Im confused ??? ???
That's the whole fucking point. Eat those foods and follow a health oriented diet and AAS/HGH won't hurt your health nearly as bad. Less worrying about blood pressure, cholesterol being fucked, heart growth, etc.
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Lotta people don't know that john has a big chunk of his intestines removed, this is partly why he remains so dry all the time...kind of a good thing for bodybuilding. . It fucks with his diet slightly, he has to eat more frequent smaller meals, always has to "void" post meal. Foods need to be easily digestible for quick gastric emptying.
John also hates Tren and doesn't touch the stuff. His body won't tolerate it, feels like shit on it. He's a VERY mild user and preaches hardcore training and nutrition more than anything. The guy is one of the healthier guys in the sport, he just looks like a troll.
^this above is all from a very close friend who works with John.
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I think a lot of guys are missing the GH and SLIN part. With those two and a lot of food i dont think you need much gear
As he says save the tren, eq, orals etc for pre contest
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Lotta people don't know that john has a big chunk of his intestines removed, this is partly why he remains so dry all the time...kind of a good thing for bodybuilding. . It fucks with his diet slightly, he has to eat more frequent smaller meals, always has to "void" post meal. Foods need to be easily digestible for quick gastric emptying.
John also hates Tren and doesn't touch the stuff. His body won't tolerate it, feels like shit on it. He's a VERY mild user and preaches hardcore training and nutrition more than anything. The guy is one of the healthier guys in the sport, he just looks like a troll.
^this above is all from a very close friend who works with John.
They all say this. :D
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They all say this. :D
You don't know many top level guys then apparently.
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You don't know many top level guys then apparently.
I don't even know one. :D
But whenever the top level guys talk about their drug usage to others, it appears that they rarely give the truth.
And Meadows is the same guy who claims to have gotten into contest shape "accidentally" and gained several pounds of stage weight just by taking a bio-test supplement. :D
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Lotta people don't know that john has a big chunk of his intestines removed, this is partly why he remains so dry all the time...kind of a good thing for bodybuilding. . It fucks with his diet slightly, he has to eat more frequent smaller meals, always has to "void" post meal. Foods need to be easily digestible for quick gastric emptying.
John also hates Tren and doesn't touch the stuff. His body won't tolerate it, feels like shit on it. He's a VERY mild user and preaches hardcore training and nutrition more than anything. The guy is one of the healthier guys in the sport, he just looks like a troll.
^this above is all from a very close friend who works with John.
Had the same operation and this is true, it almost impossible to stay hydrated and body hardly absorbs salt.
Always enjoyed johns articles and now knowing what he's been through with the surgery shit have a good level of respect for the bloke.
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I don't even know one. :D
But whenever the top level guys talk about their drug usage to others, it appears that they rarely give the truth.
And Meadows is the same guy who claims to have gotten into contest shape "accidentally" and gained several pounds of stage weight just by taking a bio-test supplement. :D
I've trained with some dudes that love bragging about the big doses they take...dummies :D
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Had the same operation and this is true, it almost impossible to stay hydrated and body hardly absorbs salt.
Always enjoyed johns articles and now knowing what he's been through with the surgery shit have a good level of respect for the bloke.
My buds who work with him love the guy and have nothing but good to say. He comes across the same in his vids as well.
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I spent some time megadosing 250mg a week.
Surprised I made it out alive.
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Lotta people don't know that john has a big chunk of his intestines removed, this is partly why he remains so dry all the time...kind of a good thing for bodybuilding. . It fucks with his diet slightly, he has to eat more frequent smaller meals, always has to "void" post meal. Foowds need to be easily digestible for quick gastric emptying.
John also hates Tren and doesn't touch the stuff. His body won't tolerate it, feels like shit on it. He's a VERY mild user and preaches hardcore training and nutrition more than anything. The guy is one of the healthier guys in the sport, he just looks like a troll.
^this above is all from a very close friend who works with John.
I also remember his trainees saying how John hates insulin, doesn't believe in it, doesn't use it etc. Then I read him saying he only uses it on chest days nowadays. Tren may make him feel like shit, does that to a lot of guys. But come contest time feeling like death is expected anyway so they use it.
It's all bullshit. His "mild" cycles are probably the usual 3-4 grams and as much growth as he can afford come contest time. Shit, that cruise dosage of test and gh is twice the amount Dante Doggcrapp recommens and says many top pros are on in the off-season lol.
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I don't understand the hatred for John on this site.
he's one of the "good guys" in the sport, and one of the few who're actually worth more than what they charge.
Easy.
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My heaviest use when I was 5'8" at 245 lean enough for abs with veins everywhere - I was on a little over ONE gram a week TOTAL!!!
The trainer second coming.
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I've trained with some dudes that love bragging about the big doses they take...dummies :D
I think it depends on the individual. There are some who brag about their usage as they feel proud about it, probably thinking it makes them look more "hardcore". :D
I think others like John may feel more ashamed about it so instead choose to downplay their usage and the importance of drugs on the whole. He knows he can't claim natural and be taken seriously so he does the next closest thing - claims to be a very mild user. Lee Priest does something similar.
I think since John likes to emphasize the importance of training and diet, he feels that admitting the truth about the drug aspect will take credit away from the those previous two aspects.
Looking at John’s physique though, he certainly doesn’t have the look of a moderate user. A shitty structure but A LOT of dense muscle on it.
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I think it depends on the individual. There are some who brag about their usage as they feel proud about it, probably thinking it makes them look more "hardcore". :D
I think others like John may feel more ashamed about it so instead choose to downplay their usage and the importance of drugs on the whole. He knows he can't claim natural and be taken seriously so he does the next closest thing - claims to be a very mild user. Lee Priest does something similar.
I think since John likes to emphasize the importance of training and diet, he feels that admitting the truth about the drug aspect will take credit away from the those previous two aspects.
Looking at John’s physique though, he certainly doesn’t have the look of a moderate user. A shitty structure but A LOT of dense muscle on it.
The guy looks like a melting candle, its hardly the kind of build you'd expect to see from a mild user
I've had one IFBB pro tell me what I believe is close to the truth about his cycle- and that was 30iu human grade and grams a week, Meadows must have truly inhuman genetics to need a 1/10th of what a guy who almost broke top ten on the Mr O takes
these guys are massively full of shit and its quite frankly embarrassing to see people defending them, I can understand Dante bullshitting because he makes money from gullible kids buying fart powder , but eh.
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Lotta people don't know that john has a big chunk of his intestines removed, this is partly why he remains so dry all the time...kind of a good thing for bodybuilding. . It fucks with his diet slightly, he has to eat more frequent smaller meals, always has to "void" post meal. Foods need to be easily digestible for quick gastric emptying.
John also hates Tren and doesn't touch the stuff. His body won't tolerate it, feels like shit on it. He's a VERY mild user and preaches hardcore training and nutrition more than anything. The guy is one of the healthier guys in the sport, he just looks like a troll.
^this above is all from a very close friend who works with John.
I've heard the same things. Funny how everyone thinks everyone is mega dosing. Sorry fucktards, your genetics just aren't as good...and in John's case, you aren't as intelligent and innovative.
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I've heard the same things. Funny how everyone thinks everyone is mega dosing. Sorry fucktards, your genetics just aren't as good...and in John's case, you aren't as intelligent and innovative.
Yep. I know lots of guys use extreme doses....but there's guys all over the spectrum. I believe john to be in the lower end vs a guy like Kai, etc...
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Kai doesnt need to use more than 2.5gms a week, Noel said so.
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The guy looks like a melting candle, its hardly the kind of build you'd expect to see from a mild user
I've had one IFBB pro tell me what I believe is close to the truth about his cycle- and that was 30iu human grade and grams a week, Meadows must have truly inhuman genetics to need a 1/10th of what a guy who almost broke top ten on the Mr O takes
these guys are massively full of shit and its quite frankly embarrassing to see people defending them, I can understand Dante bullshitting because he makes money from gullible kids buying fart powder , but eh.
Was this Ben Pakulski? I remember you saying that he's quite open about his usage.
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Putrid semen AKA alitanha redefines the word stalker.
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you look like shit anyway
Why is this poster clogging threads with another males pics? Why is he so obsessed with the guy in the pics?
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I spent some time megadosing 250mg a week.
Surprised I made it out alive.
Vis promise me you won't endanger yourself like that in such a wreckless manner