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Posting this here instead of on the Steroid board because it's just a wider audience, and a pretty common issue.
Is just normal 250mg/ml test E supposed to be cripplingly painful and debilitating?
I put it in my glute...It swells up like a goddamn tumor the side of my ass swells up like an orange...It's the only spot that doesn't hinder my actual training though.
Shoulders..Feels like I got hit with a bat, have full ROM but REALLY sucks, and it also swells up.
Quad...I made the mistake of putting 2 cc's in my quad...because, well where the hell do you put this shit? I'm running out of crippled swollen spots here. Haven't been able to squat to depth in a week.
I guess I'm just asking if it's normal? I NEVER see pros or even obviously juiced gym rats walking around with huge swollen lumps of red in their delts, or limping around and can't deadlift or squat from quad shots etc...
Is it normal for gear to do this? It seems like all the shit I've ever gotten has to some extent done this...Is pharma stuff any different?
It's to the point where If all I can do is shoot glute, I'm willing to take the swelling, then I am limited to like 4cc's a week...Might as well just not even juice ever again, and completely come off forever and try to live a normal life...
Totally stressful because I feel I may never recover normal test levels etc..Even though I've never really pushed past about 500-750mg of test a week and I can almost guarantee you it's underdosed crap.
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Damn bro sorry to hear that. I've been very lucky to have never gotten dirty gear. The only time I get even a little swollen is when I nick a vein. Are you running a fever?
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Posting this here instead of on the Steroid board because it's just a wider audience, and a pretty common issue.
Is just normal 250mg/ml test E supposed to be cripplingly painful and debilitating?
I put it in my glute...It swells up like a goddamn tumor the side of my ass swells up like an orange...It's the only spot that doesn't hinder my actual training though.
Shoulders..Feels like I got hit with a bat, have full ROM but REALLY sucks, and it also swells up.
Quad...I made the mistake of putting 2 cc's in my quad...because, well where the hell do you put this shit? I'm running out of crippled swollen spots here. Haven't been able to squat to depth in a week.
I guess I'm just asking if it's normal? I NEVER see pros or even obviously juiced gym rats walking around with huge swollen lumps of red in their delts, or limping around and can't deadlift or squat from quad shots etc...
Is it normal for gear to do this? It seems like all the shit I've ever gotten has to some extent done this...Is pharma stuff any different?
It's to the point where If all I can do is shoot glute, I'm willing to take the swelling, then I am limited to like 4cc's a week...Might as well just not even juice ever again, and completely come off forever and try to live a normal life...
Totally stressful because I feel I may never recover normal test levels etc..Even though I've never really pushed past about 500-750mg of test a week and I can almost guarantee you it's underdosed crap.
Once in a while I sell vegetable oil infused with jalapeņo juice to cops who cruise BBing boards to see if they will inject it.
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Posting this here instead of on the Steroid board because it's just a wider audience, and a pretty common issue.
Is just normal 250mg/ml test E supposed to be cripplingly painful and debilitating?
I put it in my glute...It swells up like a goddamn tumor the side of my ass swells up like an orange...It's the only spot that doesn't hinder my actual training though.
Shoulders..Feels like I got hit with a bat, have full ROM but REALLY sucks, and it also swells up.
Quad...I made the mistake of putting 2 cc's in my quad...because, well where the hell do you put this shit? I'm running out of crippled swollen spots here. Haven't been able to squat to depth in a week.
I guess I'm just asking if it's normal? I NEVER see pros or even obviously juiced gym rats walking around with huge swollen lumps of red in their delts, or limping around and can't deadlift or squat from quad shots etc...
Is it normal for gear to do this? It seems like all the shit I've ever gotten has to some extent done this...Is pharma stuff any different?
It's to the point where If all I can do is shoot glute, I'm willing to take the swelling, then I am limited to like 4cc's a week...Might as well just not even juice ever again, and completely come off forever and try to live a normal life...
Totally stressful because I feel I may never recover normal test levels etc..Even though I've never really pushed past about 500-750mg of test a week and I can almost guarantee you it's underdosed crap.
What lab ? Or should I say "lab" LOL
Was it Med -Star ? I just ran Sustenon 360 from.them and you describe the ordeal perfectly. But the shit was top notch..
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Your shitty meth lab gear is either over dosed with BA to make up for questionable sterility, full of unfiltered crap or bacteria, or the Chinese powder it's made from contaminated with poison
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It's not dirty gear it's the carbolic acid that some manufacturers don't remove from the enan. Switch to cyp and you won't have that problem.
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Use pharma, inject with slin pins, 1 ml per muscle, no pain whatsoever.
Only get pain when injecting a new muscle, or one that hasn't been hit for a while.
Maybe your immune system overreacts and produces excessive inflammation due to your genetics.
No don't do that! Buy some watson Pharma Test cyp or if your overseas buy schering amps draw it up with a 22 or 23 gauge 1.5In pin and the once you get the dosage/ML amount you want take off the pin and put on a clean brand new one don't inject with the same pin you just drew the oil with even just pushing the pin through the stopper will dull the needle. Then hit your glute with a thick oil like Test cyp. most all USA human grade is in cottonseed oil so make sure your not allergic.cottonseed is also thick oil so def 1.5In pin and in the glute.
don't use a Insulin pin unless your shooting insulin. some compounds you can bang in your shoulders like EQ mainly because it's in a thinner oil most of the time. I would check your source. I know even my USA Grade Test cyp does leave a touch of a bite but that occurs usually the next day and it also depends on how much scar tissue you have,try to rotate around your body, glute/glute/shoulder,shoulder/quad if you have alot of scar tissue but if you talk to a doctor they will tell you to hit your glutes and shoulder if needed.
usually on a TRT dose your only going to be shooting once a week so scar tissue build-up shouldn't be a issue so glute shots are the best. if you use multiple compounds and have scar tissue buildup your going to have to get creative and rotate your injections.
I am going to go out on a limb and say you got shitty gear. You want Human grade stuff it is def out there for those who deserve it and can find it
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It's not dirty gear it's the carbolic acid that some manufacturers don't remove from the enan. Switch to cyp and you won't have that problem.
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No don't do that! Buy some watson Pharma Test cyp or if your overseas buy schering amps draw it up with a 22 or 23 gauge 1.5In pin and the once you get the dosage/ML amount you want take off the pin and put on a clean brand new one don't inject with the same pin you just drew the oil with even just pushing the pin through the stopper will dull the needle. Then hit your glute with a thick oil like Test cyp. most all USA human grade is in cottonseed oil so make sure your not allergic.cottonseed is also thick oil so def 1.5In pin and in the glute.
don't use a Insulin pin unless your shooting insulin. some compounds you can bang in your shoulders like EQ mainly because it's in a thinner oil most of the time. I would check your source.
Not saying op should use insulin needles as if the stuff hurts, the stuff hurts.....but why no insulin needles? Never had an issue with anything I've made and use high oleic safflower oil which is thicker then cottonseed.
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Your body is telling you to stop doing what you're doing, but you're to dumb to listen.
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Never had a problem with testoviron depot. Sustenon was very painfull at times.
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Not saying op should use insulin needles as if the stuff hurts, the stuff hurts.....but why no insulin needles? Never had an issue with anything I've made and use high oleic safflower oil which is thicker then cottonseed.
It would take 10 minutes to push 1CC of enan through a slin pin.
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It would take 10 minutes to push 1CC of enan through a slin pin.
slin pins are 1ml and have a much smaller diameter so the pressure you need to apply is much lower.
the bigger the syringe the more pressure you need.
its harder to push 1ml of oil through a 5ml syringe with a 25G needle than through an insulin syringe with a 29G needle.
physics.
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Not saying op should use insulin needles as if the stuff hurts, the stuff hurts.....but why no insulin needles? Never had an issue with anything I've made and use high oleic safflower oil which is thicker then cottonseed.
I guess everybody has their preference I just think people should shoot juice especially thicker oils with a 22-23 gauge pin 1.5In pin it gets deeper into the muscle and you get better absorption if you don't go deep enough into a muscle that can cause the redness or even cellutis or abcess. I think I have never had any issues because I inject the juice the proper way.
I don't mind using a 25 gauge 1In to hit shoulders. I guess I am just more into the medical field then some of you guys and I know for a fact no doctor would ever administor testosterone through a insulin pin! always use a 22 -23 gauge 1.5IN pin when shooting thicker oils and shoot thicker oils in the glutes, thinner oils are ok to shoot in the shoulders with a 25 gauge 1In pin. I just don't see any point in using a Insulin pin to shoot gear unless your scarred of big needles.
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slin pins are 1ml and have a much smaller diameter so the pressure you need to apply is much lower.
the bigger the syringe the more pressure you need.
its harder to push 1ml of oil through a 5ml syringe with a 25G needle than through an insulin syringe with a 29G needle.
physics.
Then how come doctors administer Testosterone this way? I have never had many issues plunging the gear into wherever I am injecting it. I do notice if I hit scar tissue or for some reason more tense it does seem harder to plunge(goes in slower) most of the time it goes in and plunges smooth as butter. I am just telling people how it technically should be done and how the doctors do it. Sure people do use Slin pins if their gear is thin but I just see no need for that. if it works for you great. It's not the right way though.
I will also say try to have somebody who knows what they are doing do your shots. It just makes it so much easier. I usually have somebody do my shots. It just seems to be way easier they can see where the scar tissue is and also hit spots that are hard to hit on your own. Of course there are times I do my own shots especially since the person who does my shots dosn't like how much I use. Drugs like EQ,Tren,NPP,Masteron I do those shots because those are all UGL products and I try to hide the fact I shoot drugs for horses and cattle.
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I guess everybody has their preference I just think people should shoot juice especially thicker oils with a 22-23 gauge pin 1.5In pin it gets deeper into the muscle and you get better absorption if you don't go deep enough into a muscle that can cause the redness or even cellutis or abcess. I think I have never had any issues because I inject the juice the proper way.
I don't mind using a 25 gauge 1In to hit shoulders. I guess I am just more into the medical field then some of you guys and I know for a fact no doctor would ever administor testosterone through a insulin pin! always use a 22 -23 gauge 1.5IN pin when shooting thicker oils and shoot thicker oils in the glutes, thinner oils are ok to shoot in the shoulders with a 25 gauge 1In pin. I just don't see any point in using a Insulin pin to shoot gear unless your scarred of big needles.
I like 23g 1.5". Nice and quick.
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I like 23g 1.5". Nice and quick.
Yeah because your doing it the correct way! That is exactly the gauge and pin a doctor or pharmacists would insist you use actually demand you use. I had to do my TRT shots at the doctors office for 1 month before the gave me a prescription for a 10ml vial and they don;t use insulin syringes they draw it up with a 22gauge 1.5IN then switch the needle and put on a clean 1.5In pin because even going through that stopper can dull the pin and then inject.
if you asked a pharmacist wich syringes and pins you needed they would tell you 23 gauge 1.5IN so I am just telling you guys how it is commonly done but if Insulin pins do the trick for you then good. I would suspect your shooting gear in EO has to be pretty thin to go through a slin pin.
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A good friend of mine get s flu symptoms from Watson test. Personally I think it's the high amount of BB.
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I guess everybody has their preference I just think people should shoot juice especially thicker oils with a 22-23 gauge pin 1.5In pin it gets deeper into the muscle and you get better absorption if you don't go deep enough into a muscle that can cause the redness or even cellutis or abcess. I think I have never had any issues because I inject the juice the proper way.
I don't mind using a 25 gauge 1In to hit shoulders. I guess I am just more into the medical field then some of you guys and I know for a fact no doctor would ever administor testosterone through a insulin pin! always use a 22 -23 gauge 1.5IN pin when shooting thicker oils and shoot thicker oils in the glutes, thinner oils are ok to shoot in the shoulders with a 25 gauge 1In pin. I just don't see any point in using a Insulin pin to shoot gear unless your scarred of big needles.
because doctors have no fucking clue
some shoot TRT gear with 21Gs. they have ZERO clue
for regular folks getting a shot every 2 weeks that might be fine
but we are bodybuilders.try injecting ED with 21G needles. youre gonna be so fucking scarred up EVERYWHERE within a year or two that you probably wont even be able to push any oil in anymore.
using big gauge needles is certainly NOT the right way for US.
THE THINNER THE NEEDLE THE LESS SCAR TISSUE
i wont EVER fucking shoot with anything bigger than 25Gs... i actually always use 27G except for delt shots and i use relatively thick safflower oil too. just warm it up a bit and its thinner.
oh and ANY oil goes through an insulin pin EASILY even very thick oils. insulin syringes have a very small diameter so less force is needed to push the oil through, i already explained that ;)
of course you have to backload them. drawing with a 29G insulin syringe would take like half an hour, lol
slin pins are fine. you dont need to go 10 inches into a muscle for oil to be absorbed lol
anyone who cant get into the muscle tissue with a half inch needle is fat and has no reason to use AAS :)
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lol at chicken shits trying to be "big" using slin pins but scared to use a decent pin.
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Then how come doctors administer Testosterone this way? I have never had many issues plunging the gear into wherever I am injecting it. I do notice if I hit scar tissue or for some reason more tense it does seem harder to plunge(goes in slower) most of the time it goes in and plunges smooth as butter. I am just telling people how it technically should be done and how the doctors do it. Sure people do use Slin pins if their gear is thin but I just see no need for that. if it works for you great. It's not the right way though.
I will also say try to have somebody who knows what they are doing do your shots. It just makes it so much easier. I usually have somebody do my shots. It just seems to be way easier they can see where the scar tissue is and also hit spots that are hard to hit on your own. Of course there are times I do my own shots especially since the person who does my shots dosn't like how much I use. Drugs like EQ,Tren,NPP,Masteron I do those shots because those are all UGL products and I try to hide the fact I shoot drugs for horses and cattle.
Because most docs are fifty years behind the times.
Top TRT docs recommend slin pins (and subq)
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The needle is not the cause of the pain. Obviously this guy has some shitty gear. People should have at least 6 sites they rotate so it's once a week per site. Glutes, thighs and shoulders. Makes life easier. I tried tris and didn't like it, same with pecs. pros have a dozen or more sites. Fuckers even use their traps. That's got to be awkward as fuck.
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I shoot drugs for horses and cattle.
what a statement. how can that not be on a tee-shirt or something.
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lol at chicken shits trying to be "big" using slin pins but scared to use a decent pin.
youre so hardcore that in 3 years you wont be able to inject anymore because youll be all scarred up
cool story bro
The needle is not the cause of the pain. Obviously this guy has some shitty gear. People should have at least 6 sites they rotate so it's once a week per site. Glutes, thighs and shoulders. Makes life easier. I tried tris and didn't like it, same with pecs. pros have a dozen or more sites. Fuckers even use their traps. That's got to be awkward as fuck.
ofc the needle doesnt cause the pain, nobody ever said this
but it causes scar tissue.
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youre so hardcore that in 3 years you wont be able to inject anymore because youll be all scarred up
cool story broofc the needle doesnt cause the pain, nobody ever said this
but it causes scar tissue.
I don't disagree entirely.I say if your not getting any kind of inflammation then fuck it use a slin pin. I personally don't use anything smaller then a 25 gauge 1In. That's just me though. I do know people who use slin pins but they are always younger guys who don't like using bigger gauges. You do want to get in the muscle pretty deep. I might use a insulin Pin if i were injecting my biceps.
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what a statement. how can that not be on a tee-shirt or something.
well all alot of us do. EQ is used for race horses and Tren is for cattle. It's not meant for Human use. that's why we all have to b=find some UGL to buy EQ and tren from if their was pharma EQ and Tren I'm sure some of us might be alot bigger.
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A good friend of mine get s flu symptoms from Watson test. Personally I think it's the high amount of BB.
maybe he's allergic to cottonseed oil. I checked 3 pharmacys and all of them just had watson. I wanted to try a diffrent brand this time around. paddock was out of stock at walgreens everybody else carrys watson and some other company but it's made by the same place that makes watson's Test cyp.
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There is no medical reason besides "we've always done it that way" to inject intramuscular when using oil-based roids. Most TRT doctors have moved on to SubQ or use a smaller slin pin to achieve the same results.... You can inject it in ventro-glute and be IM even with a 10mm pin...
https://endo.confex.com/endo/2013endo/webprogram/Paper9064.html
These are from leading expert in the endocrinology field.
Again, I agree 100% with Jizmo. Why cause scarred tissue when you can avoid it?
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There is no medical reason besides "we've always done it that way" to inject intramuscular when using oil-based roids. Most TRT doctors have moved on to SubQ or use a smaller slin pin to achieve the same results.... You can inject it in ventro-glute and be IM even with a 10mm pin...
https://endo.confex.com/endo/2013endo/webprogram/Paper9064.html
These are from leading expert in the endocrinology field.
Again, I agree 100% with Jizmo. Why cause scarred tissue when you can avoid it?
to be fair, there was a fairly large bloodwork survey done by forum members that showed IM might be better
http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-replacement-therapy-low-testosterone-treatment-anti-aging/522984-comparison-between-100mg-test-sub-q-im-labwork-4.html
but heres the thing, IM will obviously cause a bigger spike than sub Q, but that doesn't mean the average test level is any higher over time as its absorbed faster than subQ
Best to just ignore the Bro Tards derping about 'Gear is supposed to be IM bro', I've long since given up trying to convince them that subQ is better (for up to 3 cc a week)
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I have long declared MAWSE to be the leading expert on all things TRT related. This cat is sharp.
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to be fair, there was a fairly large bloodwork survey done by forum members that showed IM might be better
http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-replacement-therapy-low-testosterone-treatment-anti-aging/522984-comparison-between-100mg-test-sub-q-im-labwork-4.html
but heres the thing, IM will obviously cause a bigger spike than sub Q, but that doesn't mean the average test level is any higher over time as its absorbed faster than subQ
Best to just ignore the Bro Tards derping about 'Gear is supposed to be IM bro', I've long since given up trying to convince them that subQ is better (for up to 3 cc a week)
For fucks sake! I can be done all ways. I think heavy users do have to be creative and find alot of injection sites. I can get away with going right glute/left glute/ right shoulde/left shoulder. I believe most people do it the old school way in the ventra-glute with a 23 gauge 1.5IN. shoulders 25IN 1IN, you can get away with slin pins my only worry is you don;t get deep enough into the muscle. I myself would never shoot a thick oil sub-Q.
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For fucks sake! I can be done all ways. I think heavy users do have to be creative and find alot of injection sites. I can get away with going right glute/left glute/ right shoulde/left shoulder. I believe most people do it the old school way in the ventra-glute with a 23 gauge 1.5IN. shoulders 25IN 1IN, you can get away with slin pins my only worry is you don;t get deep enough into the muscle. I myself would never shoot a thick oil sub-Q.
To each his own but in my case, subQ really isn't subQ because I have no fat or almost none when I inject. So using a slin pin and going about half a inch in is enough for a good dispersion of the oil.
As Mawse mentionned, in studies, SubQ had slower dispersion rate (less peak) then IM so I guess you could adapt depending on your goal. But I'm a pussy and I prefer injecting more frequently with smaller diameter.
Scientifically, both methods seemed to work but have distinct advantage... Of course, when you use absurd amounts (2g a week), subQ is out of the question...
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got bruises that took weeks to leave from .5cc sub q test shot.
Who the hell can get their doses doing that, not realistic at all. But hey, if you dig it...
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got bruises that took weeks to leave from .5cc sub q test shot.
Who the hell can get their doses doing that, not realistic at all. But hey, if you dig it...
1cc with a 23g takes about 4 seconds to administer. I like to minimize my time with a needle in my ass.
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1cc with a 23g takes about 4 seconds to administer. I like to minimize my time with a needle in my ass.
23 is my overall fav. 25g for shoulder and quads... I place the loaded syringe in a heated magic bag while I wait for the spot to be cleaned and dried so it pushes in easily to lessen scar tissue.
found a place in the US that sells a box of 100 pins for less than $8!
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got bruises that took weeks to leave from .5cc sub q test shot.
Who the hell can get their doses doing that, not realistic at all. But hey, if you dig it...
Yet, you could say the same thing about people developing infection IM... Both methods are valid imo...
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It's not dirty gear it's the carbolic acid that some manufacturers don't remove from the enan. Switch to cyp and you won't have that problem.
Any way to remove it yourself? I still have 90ml test e UGL gear and it's been giving me pain no matter where I put it. Extreme soreness in quads and shoulders for at least 3-4 days. My last shot in my quad has been sore since Friday with no signs of getting better. The source had good reviews but it's definitely the gear. My last gear didn't have much PIP at all. I wish I just bought 1 vial to test but I trusted the reviews.
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Yet, you could say the same thing about people developing infection IM... Both methods are valid imo...
A lot of people have reported the same issue as me, would not recommend this at all. Got one infection from IM shots and knew I should have changed the tip, lol...
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Any way to remove it yourself? I still have 90ml test e UGL gear and it's been giving me pain no matter where I put it. Extreme soreness in quads and shoulders for at least 3-4 days. My last shot in my quad has been sore since Friday with no signs of getting better. The source had good reviews but it's definitely the gear. My last gear didn't have much PIP at all. I wish I just bought 1 vial to test but I trusted the reviews.
have him exchange it. Any solid person would do this to retain the customer. If not, fuck him...
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Your body is telling you to stop doing what you're doing, but you're to dumb to listen.
he thinks falcon is the fool
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I myself would never shoot a thick oil sub-Q.
Yeah, that doesn't even sound right, but hey, maybe there's new science which proves otherwise.
You've got a couple different spots on each glute and can rotate 3 different locations on your quads. I know delts are a site of choice for almost everyone, but a single abscess in the shoulder would be scary enough to make me say F that.
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Yeah, that doesn't even sound right, but hey, maybe there's new science which proves otherwise.
You've got a couple different spots on each glute and can rotate 3 different locations on your quads. I know delts are a site of choice for almost everyone, but a single abscess in the shoulder would be scary enough to make me say F that.
If you can synchronize the delt abscesses, you can get that "capped" delt look.
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23 is my overall fav. 25g for shoulder and quads... I place the loaded syringe in a heated magic bag while I wait for the spot to be cleaned and dried so it pushes in easily to lessen scar tissue.
found a place in the US that sells a box of 100 pins for less than $8!
25 ga. 1 1/2
left quad, right quad, left glute, right glute. Never had a problem
now that PHS are done.... I'll be back to my pinning ways
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I use 25 1 inch even that bitch hurts when your pinning a lot. I can't pin certain spots anymore I overused them. I get a dull ache in the spots sometimes. The outer upper corner of my ass has had it.
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have him exchange it. Any solid person would do this to retain the customer. If not, fuck him...
I contacted them and will post back when I get a response.
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Any way to remove it yourself? I still have 90ml test e UGL gear and it's been giving me pain no matter where I put it. Extreme soreness in quads and shoulders for at least 3-4 days. My last shot in my quad has been sore since Friday with no signs of getting better. The source had good reviews but it's definitely the gear. My last gear didn't have much PIP at all. I wish I just bought 1 vial to test but I trusted the reviews.
Not when it's been put in solution (oil). Throw it out and take it as a loss.
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If you can synchronize the delt abscesses, you can get that "capped" delt look.
:)
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The outer upper corner of my ass has had it.
Sorry bruh that this made me chuckle. How many pins to that area to wear it out?
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If you can synchronize the delt abscesses, you can get that "capped" delt look.
this may sound funny but some delt shots temporarily give a synthol-like effect
sometimes im like an inch wider after a big shot into both delts
thats like a quarter heath in width :D
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I use 25 1 inch even that bitch hurts when your pinning a lot. I can't pin certain spots anymore I overused them. I get a dull ache in the spots sometimes. The outer upper corner of my ass has had it.
you pin ed or something?
with delts
chest
quads
glutes
you should be fine.