Gear pain

[TEMPER]

Posting this here instead of on the Steroid board because it's just a wider audience, and a pretty common issue.


Is just normal 250mg/ml test E supposed to be cripplingly painful and debilitating?

I put it in my glute...It swells up like a goddamn tumor the side of my ass swells up like an orange...It's the only spot that doesn't hinder my actual training though.

Shoulders..Feels like I got hit with a bat, have full ROM but REALLY sucks, and it also swells up.

Quad...I made the mistake of putting 2 cc's in my quad...because, well where the hell do you put this shit? I'm running out of crippled swollen spots here. Haven't been able to squat to depth in a week.


I guess I'm just asking if it's normal? I NEVER see pros or even obviously  juiced gym rats walking around with huge swollen lumps of red in their delts, or limping around and can't deadlift or squat from quad shots etc...

Is it normal for gear to do this? It seems like all the shit I've ever gotten has to some extent done this...Is pharma stuff any different?

It's to the point where If all I can do is shoot glute, I'm willing to take the swelling, then I am limited to like 4cc's a week...Might as well just not even juice ever again, and completely come off forever and try to live a normal life...

Totally stressful because I feel I may never recover normal test levels etc..Even though I've never really pushed past about 500-750mg of test a week and I can almost guarantee you it's underdosed crap.

[Obvious Gimmick]

Damn bro sorry to hear that. I've been very lucky to have never gotten dirty gear. The only time I get even a little swollen is when I nick a vein. Are you running a fever?

[Walter Sobchak]

Posting this here instead of on the Steroid board because it's just a wider audience, and a pretty common issue.


Is just normal 250mg/ml test E supposed to be cripplingly painful and debilitating?

I put it in my glute...It swells up like a goddamn tumor the side of my ass swells up like an orange...It's the only spot that doesn't hinder my actual training though.

Shoulders..Feels like I got hit with a bat, have full ROM but REALLY sucks, and it also swells up.

Quad...I made the mistake of putting 2 cc's in my quad...because, well where the hell do you put this shit? I'm running out of crippled swollen spots here. Haven't been able to squat to depth in a week.


I guess I'm just asking if it's normal? I NEVER see pros or even obviously  juiced gym rats walking around with huge swollen lumps of red in their delts, or limping around and can't deadlift or squat from quad shots etc...

Is it normal for gear to do this? It seems like all the shit I've ever gotten has to some extent done this...Is pharma stuff any different?

It's to the point where If all I can do is shoot glute, I'm willing to take the swelling, then I am limited to like 4cc's a week...Might as well just not even juice ever again, and completely come off forever and try to live a normal life...

Totally stressful because I feel I may never recover normal test levels etc..Even though I've never really pushed past about 500-750mg of test a week and I can almost guarantee you it's underdosed crap.

Once in a while I sell vegetable oil infused with jalapeņo juice to cops who cruise BBing boards to see if they will inject it.

[Palpatine Q]

Posting this here instead of on the Steroid board because it's just a wider audience, and a pretty common issue.


Is just normal 250mg/ml test E supposed to be cripplingly painful and debilitating?

I put it in my glute...It swells up like a goddamn tumor the side of my ass swells up like an orange...It's the only spot that doesn't hinder my actual training though.

Shoulders..Feels like I got hit with a bat, have full ROM but REALLY sucks, and it also swells up.

Quad...I made the mistake of putting 2 cc's in my quad...because, well where the hell do you put this shit? I'm running out of crippled swollen spots here. Haven't been able to squat to depth in a week.


I guess I'm just asking if it's normal? I NEVER see pros or even obviously  juiced gym rats walking around with huge swollen lumps of red in their delts, or limping around and can't deadlift or squat from quad shots etc...

Is it normal for gear to do this? It seems like all the shit I've ever gotten has to some extent done this...Is pharma stuff any different?

It's to the point where If all I can do is shoot glute, I'm willing to take the swelling, then I am limited to like 4cc's a week...Might as well just not even juice ever again, and completely come off forever and try to live a normal life...

Totally stressful because I feel I may never recover normal test levels etc..Even though I've never really pushed past about 500-750mg of test a week and I can almost guarantee you it's underdosed crap.

What lab ?  Or should I say "lab"  LOL
Was it Med -Star ?    I just ran Sustenon 360 from.them and you describe the ordeal perfectly.  But the shit was top notch..

[Mawse]

Your shitty meth lab gear is either over dosed with BA to make up for questionable sterility, full of unfiltered crap or bacteria, or the Chinese powder it's made from contaminated with poison

[Disgusted]

It's not dirty gear it's the carbolic acid that some manufacturers don't remove from the enan. Switch to cyp and you won't have that problem.

[whitewidow]

Use pharma, inject with slin pins, 1 ml per muscle, no pain whatsoever.

Only get pain when injecting a new muscle, or one that hasn't been hit for a while.

Maybe your immune system overreacts and produces excessive inflammation due to your genetics.

No don't do that! Buy some watson Pharma Test cyp or if your overseas buy schering amps draw it up with a 22 or 23 gauge 1.5In pin and the once you get the dosage/ML amount you want take off the pin and put on a clean brand new one don't inject with the same pin you just drew the oil with even just pushing the pin through the stopper will dull the needle. Then hit your glute with a thick oil like Test cyp. most all USA human grade is in cottonseed oil so make sure your not allergic.cottonseed is also thick oil so def 1.5In pin and in the glute.

don't use a Insulin pin unless your shooting insulin. some compounds you can bang in your shoulders like EQ mainly because it's in a thinner oil most of the time. I would check your source. I know even my USA Grade Test cyp does leave a touch of a bite but that occurs usually the next day and it also depends on how much scar tissue you have,try to rotate around your body, glute/glute/shoulder,shoulder/quad if you have alot of scar tissue but if you talk to a doctor they will tell you to hit your glutes and shoulder if needed.

usually on a TRT dose your only going to be shooting once a week so scar tissue build-up shouldn't be a issue so glute shots are the best. if you use multiple compounds and have scar tissue buildup your going to have to get creative and rotate your injections.

I am going to go out on a limb and say you got shitty gear. You want Human grade stuff it is def out there for those who deserve it and can find it

[bigmc]

It's not dirty gear it's the carbolic acid that some manufacturers don't remove from the enan. Switch to cyp and you won't have that problem.

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[mazrim]

No don't do that! Buy some watson Pharma Test cyp or if your overseas buy schering amps draw it up with a 22 or 23 gauge 1.5In pin and the once you get the dosage/ML amount you want take off the pin and put on a clean brand new one don't inject with the same pin you just drew the oil with even just pushing the pin through the stopper will dull the needle. Then hit your glute with a thick oil like Test cyp. most all USA human grade is in cottonseed oil so make sure your not allergic.cottonseed is also thick oil so def 1.5In pin and in the glute.

don't use a Insulin pin unless your shooting insulin. some compounds you can bang in your shoulders like EQ mainly because it's in a thinner oil most of the time. I would check your source.

Not saying op should use insulin needles as if the stuff hurts, the stuff hurts.....but why no insulin needles? Never had an issue with anything I've made and use high oleic safflower oil which is thicker then cottonseed.

[Mr Anabolic]

Your body is telling you to stop doing what you're doing, but you're to dumb to listen. 

[falco]

Never had a problem with testoviron depot. Sustenon was very painfull at times.

[_aj_]

Not saying op should use insulin needles as if the stuff hurts, the stuff hurts.....but why no insulin needles? Never had an issue with anything I've made and use high oleic safflower oil which is thicker then cottonseed.

It would take 10 minutes to push 1CC of enan through a slin pin.

[Jizmo]

It would take 10 minutes to push 1CC of enan through a slin pin.

slin pins are 1ml and have a much smaller diameter so the pressure you need to apply is much lower.
the bigger the syringe the more pressure you need.
its harder to push 1ml of oil through a 5ml syringe with a 25G needle than through an insulin syringe with a 29G needle.
physics.

[whitewidow]

Not saying op should use insulin needles as if the stuff hurts, the stuff hurts.....but why no insulin needles? Never had an issue with anything I've made and use high oleic safflower oil which is thicker then cottonseed.

I guess everybody has their preference I just think people should shoot juice especially thicker oils with a 22-23 gauge pin 1.5In pin it gets deeper into the muscle and you get better absorption if you don't go deep enough into a muscle that can cause the redness or even cellutis or abcess. I think I have never had any issues because I inject the juice the proper way.

I don't mind using a 25 gauge 1In to hit shoulders. I guess I am just more into the medical field then some of you guys and I know for a fact no doctor would ever administor testosterone through a insulin pin! always use a 22 -23 gauge 1.5IN pin when shooting thicker oils and shoot thicker oils in the glutes, thinner oils are ok to shoot in the shoulders with a 25 gauge 1In pin. I just don't see any point in using a Insulin pin to shoot gear unless your scarred of big needles.

[whitewidow]

slin pins are 1ml and have a much smaller diameter so the pressure you need to apply is much lower.
the bigger the syringe the more pressure you need.
its harder to push 1ml of oil through a 5ml syringe with a 25G needle than through an insulin syringe with a 29G needle.
physics.

Then how come doctors  administer Testosterone this way?  I have never had many issues plunging the gear into wherever I am injecting it. I do notice if I hit scar tissue or for some reason more tense it does seem harder to plunge(goes in slower) most of the time it goes in and plunges smooth as butter. I am just telling people how it technically should be done and how the doctors do it. Sure people do use Slin pins if their gear is thin but I just see no need for that. if it works for you great. It's not the right way though.

I will also say try to have somebody who knows what they are doing do your shots. It just makes it so much easier. I usually have somebody do my shots. It just seems to be way easier they can see where the scar tissue is and also hit spots that are hard to hit on your own. Of course there are times I do my own shots especially since the person who does my shots dosn't like how much I use. Drugs like EQ,Tren,NPP,Masteron I do those shots because those are all UGL products and I try to hide the fact I shoot drugs for horses and cattle.

[_aj_]

I guess everybody has their preference I just think people should shoot juice especially thicker oils with a 22-23 gauge pin 1.5In pin it gets deeper into the muscle and you get better absorption if you don't go deep enough into a muscle that can cause the redness or even cellutis or abcess. I think I have never had any issues because I inject the juice the proper way.

I don't mind using a 25 gauge 1In to hit shoulders. I guess I am just more into the medical field then some of you guys and I know for a fact no doctor would ever administor testosterone through a insulin pin! always use a 22 -23 gauge 1.5IN pin when shooting thicker oils and shoot thicker oils in the glutes, thinner oils are ok to shoot in the shoulders with a 25 gauge 1In pin. I just don't see any point in using a Insulin pin to shoot gear unless your scarred of big needles.

I like 23g 1.5". Nice and quick.

[whitewidow]

I like 23g 1.5". Nice and quick.

Yeah because your doing it the correct way! That is exactly the gauge and pin a doctor or pharmacists would insist you use actually demand you use. I had to do my TRT shots at the doctors office for 1 month before the gave me a prescription for a 10ml vial and they don;t use insulin syringes they draw it up with a 22gauge 1.5IN then switch the needle and put on a clean 1.5In pin because even going through that stopper can dull the pin and then inject.

if you asked a pharmacist wich syringes and pins you needed they would tell you 23 gauge 1.5IN so I am just telling you guys how it is commonly done but if Insulin pins do the trick for you then good. I would suspect your shooting gear in EO has to be pretty thin to go through a slin pin.

[Disgusted]

A good friend of mine get s flu symptoms from Watson test. Personally I think it's the high amount of BB.

[Jizmo]

I guess everybody has their preference I just think people should shoot juice especially thicker oils with a 22-23 gauge pin 1.5In pin it gets deeper into the muscle and you get better absorption if you don't go deep enough into a muscle that can cause the redness or even cellutis or abcess. I think I have never had any issues because I inject the juice the proper way.

I don't mind using a 25 gauge 1In to hit shoulders. I guess I am just more into the medical field then some of you guys and I know for a fact no doctor would ever administor testosterone through a insulin pin! always use a 22 -23 gauge 1.5IN pin when shooting thicker oils and shoot thicker oils in the glutes, thinner oils are ok to shoot in the shoulders with a 25 gauge 1In pin. I just don't see any point in using a Insulin pin to shoot gear unless your scarred of big needles.

because doctors have no fucking clue
some shoot TRT gear with 21Gs. they have ZERO clue
for regular folks getting a shot every 2 weeks that might be fine
but we are bodybuilders.try injecting ED with 21G needles. youre gonna be so fucking scarred up EVERYWHERE within a year or two that you probably wont even be able to push any oil in anymore.

using big gauge needles is certainly NOT the right way for US.

THE THINNER THE NEEDLE THE LESS SCAR TISSUE
i wont EVER fucking shoot with anything bigger than 25Gs... i actually always use 27G except for delt shots and i use relatively thick safflower oil too. just warm it up a bit and its thinner.
oh and ANY oil goes through an insulin pin EASILY even very thick oils. insulin syringes have a very small diameter so less force is needed to push the oil through, i already explained that
of course you have to backload them. drawing with a 29G insulin syringe would take like half an hour, lol

slin pins are fine. you dont need to go 10 inches into a muscle for oil to be absorbed lol

anyone who cant get into the muscle tissue with a half inch needle is fat and has no reason to use AAS

[El Diablo Blanco]

lol at chicken shits trying to be "big" using slin pins but scared to use a decent pin.

[Mawse]

Then how come doctors  administer Testosterone this way?  I have never had many issues plunging the gear into wherever I am injecting it. I do notice if I hit scar tissue or for some reason more tense it does seem harder to plunge(goes in slower) most of the time it goes in and plunges smooth as butter. I am just telling people how it technically should be done and how the doctors do it. Sure people do use Slin pins if their gear is thin but I just see no need for that. if it works for you great. It's not the right way though.

I will also say try to have somebody who knows what they are doing do your shots. It just makes it so much easier. I usually have somebody do my shots. It just seems to be way easier they can see where the scar tissue is and also hit spots that are hard to hit on your own. Of course there are times I do my own shots especially since the person who does my shots dosn't like how much I use. Drugs like EQ,Tren,NPP,Masteron I do those shots because those are all UGL products and I try to hide the fact I shoot drugs for horses and cattle.

Because most docs are fifty years behind the times.

Top TRT docs recommend slin pins (and subq)

[El Diablo Blanco]

The needle is not the cause of the pain.  Obviously this guy has some shitty gear.  People should have at least 6 sites they rotate so it's once a week per site.  Glutes, thighs and shoulders.  Makes life easier.  I tried tris and didn't like it, same with pecs.  pros have a dozen or more sites.  Fuckers even use their traps.  That's got to be awkward as fuck.

[ChuckleHead]

I shoot drugs for horses and cattle.

what a statement. how can that not be on a tee-shirt or something.

[Jizmo]

lol at chicken shits trying to be "big" using slin pins but scared to use a decent pin.

youre so hardcore that in 3 years you wont be able to inject anymore because youll be all scarred up
cool story bro

The needle is not the cause of the pain.  Obviously this guy has some shitty gear.  People should have at least 6 sites they rotate so it's once a week per site.  Glutes, thighs and shoulders.  Makes life easier.  I tried tris and didn't like it, same with pecs.  pros have a dozen or more sites.  Fuckers even use their traps.  That's got to be awkward as fuck.

ofc the needle doesnt cause the pain, nobody ever said this
but it causes scar tissue.

[whitewidow]

youre so hardcore that in 3 years you wont be able to inject anymore because youll be all scarred up
cool story broofc the needle doesnt cause the pain, nobody ever said this
but it causes scar tissue.

I don't disagree entirely.I say if your not getting any kind of inflammation then fuck it use a slin pin. I personally don't use anything smaller then a 25 gauge 1In. That's just me though. I do know people who use slin pins but they are always younger guys who don't like using bigger gauges. You do want to get in the muscle pretty deep. I might use a insulin Pin if i were injecting my biceps.