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Title: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: affeman on February 06, 2015, 08:53:02 AM
Justin Compton upped his carb intake by a 200 gr daily from the left to the right pic, also he started using the Whey and Creatine from his sponsor "Evogen Nutrition" and switched from a 4 to a 5 day training split. The drug regiment remained the same.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Tarantula157 on February 06, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
He aged tremendously in those 6 years.Looks good as a natural btw(if he is in the first pic).
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: chaos on February 06, 2015, 09:32:12 AM
Justin Compton upped his carb intake by a 200 gr daily from the left to the right pic, also he started using the Whey and Creatine from his sponsor "Evogen Nutrition" and switched from a 4 to a 5 day training split. The drug regiment remained the same.
;D
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: SF1900 on February 06, 2015, 09:37:02 AM
It's sad that Compton is wider than the current me Olympia.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on February 06, 2015, 09:44:23 AM
Looks like he's 45
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Victor VonDoom on February 06, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
Lots of drugs = bigger muscles.  Nose looks completely different too. Bah!
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TheShape. on February 06, 2015, 10:17:46 AM
So now we know for a fact noses can grow from HGH use.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 06, 2015, 10:50:18 AM
So now we know for a fact noses can grow from HGH use.

Not just his nose, but his fucking pumpkin head is another 5" around.

Looking at the before/after shots, it's really hard to believe that they are the same guy. Growth really fucks around with your facial characteristics.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: 240 is Back on February 06, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
outstanding gains.   looking pro caliber.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Victor VonDoom on February 06, 2015, 12:14:07 PM
Not just his nose, but his fucking pumpkin head is another 5" around.

Looking at the before/after shots, it's really hard to believe that they are the same guy. Growth really fucks around with your facial characteristics.

x2.  Entire shape of his head has changed.  Bah!
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _bruce_ on February 06, 2015, 12:21:20 PM
He has a slight pump on the right - don't see much difference.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Jizmo on February 06, 2015, 12:21:42 PM
fucking insane how much the dude aged but also fucking insane how much progress he made... bow down to his dedication. mr o will be between him and ramy for the next couple years hopefully. 2 GREAT mass monsters but still with shape and lines.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: The_Punisher on February 06, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
So now we know for a fact noses can grow from HGH use.


I guess that Explain Dexter and Kai Noses then...
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 06, 2015, 12:34:32 PM

I guess that Explain Dexter and Kai Noses then...

Don't forget Phil's WC Fields too. He may have narrow clavicles, but he's got a Volkswagon between his eyes.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Royalty on February 06, 2015, 12:36:45 PM
fucking insane how much the dude aged but also fucking insane how much progress he made... bow down to his dedication. mr o will be between him and ramy for the next couple years hopefully. 2 GREAT mass monsters but still with shape and lines.


Excessive steroids speeds up the aging process
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: milone79 on February 06, 2015, 12:49:12 PM
His head is 3x the size it used to be......wtf!!!
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: kepler2008 on February 06, 2015, 01:38:25 PM
His body will probably suffer when he turns 50/55. For now he does not care.

(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10948911_791052567649443_1465827453_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: denarii on February 06, 2015, 01:52:09 PM
What did he take to grow his head?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Nails on February 06, 2015, 01:56:56 PM
(http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-110225-drugs-mugs/ss-110225-drugs-mugs-13.grid-9x2.jpg)

(http://www.healingtalks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/drug-addiction-before-and-after.jpg)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: thegamechanger on February 06, 2015, 01:57:02 PM
is there any picture of someone actually looking better on drugs than natural?
how can someone for example prefer ronnie coleman on drugs compared to without or with very little? whats the point of drugs if its gonna make you look worse, not better?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TestDummy on February 06, 2015, 03:21:08 PM
Justin Compton upped his carb intake by a 200 gr daily from the left to the right pic, also he started using the Whey and Creatine from his sponsor "Evogen Nutrition" and switched from a 4 to a 5 day training split. The drug regiment remained the same.

his face goes from dipshit in the first pic to retard in the second lol, but good gains!
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: King Shizzo on February 06, 2015, 03:33:15 PM
How does Comptom magically develop a cleft chin as well?

Thats some good shit!!!
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 06, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
How does Comptom magically develop a cleft chin as well?

Thats some good shit!!!

The best gear will cleave a chin. I guess. The gear is obviously fucking great.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Rudee on February 06, 2015, 03:51:01 PM
Nothing that a healthy diet of squirrel eggs and almonds can't give you.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TestDummy on February 06, 2015, 03:56:39 PM
The best gear will cleave a chin. I guess. The gear is obviously fucking great.

are you making that shit up bro? seriously I was just thinking what the fuck is up with my butt chin I never had this shit before....
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Sophus on February 06, 2015, 03:57:17 PM
is there any picture of someone actually looking better on drugs than natural?
how can someone for example prefer ronnie coleman on drugs compared to without or with very little? whats the point of drugs if its gonna make you look worse, not better?

Anabolics generally make people look more attractive, especially if water is under control

It all goes downhill when the insulin usage starts...when the face never gets lean ever again

Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 06, 2015, 03:59:40 PM
are you making that shit up bro? seriously I was just thinking what the fuck is up with my butt chin I never had this shit before....

Are you running some quality gear? Chin cleaving only comes from the best legit kigs or human grade GH.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TestDummy on February 06, 2015, 04:01:55 PM
Are you running some quality gear? Chin cleaving only comes from the best legit kigs or human grade GH.

I stick to the basic test, anadrol, d-bol, tren........
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Army of One on February 06, 2015, 04:03:00 PM
Patrick Kielty looking jacked

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=564507.0;attach=597239;image)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 06, 2015, 04:04:03 PM
I stick to the basic test, anadrol, d-bol, tren........

Is there any face-ass in your family?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: ritch on February 06, 2015, 04:04:32 PM
even his eyes seem further apart. Crazy ass mutation here in every way. I sure hope he can keep it together longevity wise. (good 10 years as top threat would be very good)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Wiggs on February 06, 2015, 04:06:19 PM
Definitely mutated.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on February 06, 2015, 04:27:06 PM
Someone on another board said, after I asked, that he's had surgery done on his nose. Anyone here know him who can confirm/deny this? The change must be due to surgery for some type of medical reason or cosmetic reason, right?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TheShape. on February 06, 2015, 04:55:28 PM
Someone on another board said, after I asked, that he's had surgery done on his nose. Anyone here know him who can confirm/deny this? The change must be due to surgery for some type of medical reason or cosmetic reason, right?
Who has their nose made wider?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 06, 2015, 05:04:13 PM
Who has their nose made wider?

LMAOOOOOOO!

I was just inquiring about a "widening" the other day. As a white man ("honky"), I felt it incumbent on me to blacken my facial characteristics a bit.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Bevo on February 06, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
His body will probably suffer when he turns 50/55. For now he does not care.

(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10948911_791052567649443_1465827453_n.jpg)

He's not going to make it to 50/55
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: The Scott on February 06, 2015, 05:12:53 PM
So now we know for a fact noses can grow from HGH use.

An overactive pituitary gland produces a tremendous amount of GH and it does indeed result in larger ears, nose, hands and feet. 

And stupid large bodybuilders that are too pussified to build anything on their own except for a G4P rep.

Death waits for no man but some of these buttwipes seem all too eager to rush into the darkness and for what?  A plastic trophy and a weenie up their butt while schmoe-camming on their backs.  Lazy, worthless and loved by only their misguided parental units.

Sans the drugs their physiques are as impressive as their resume.   

Exactly.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TestDummy on February 06, 2015, 06:03:06 PM
Is there any face-ass in your family?

nope just me... it's not really that bad, just a little noticeable lol
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Man of Steel on February 06, 2015, 06:30:47 PM
all electricity and magnetism
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: chaos on February 06, 2015, 07:46:49 PM
Can someone do a side by side timeline of similar pics year by year for comparison? That's a crazy facial change.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: forillagorilla on February 06, 2015, 08:33:54 PM
are you making that shit up bro? seriously I was just thinking what the fuck is up with my butt chin I never had this shit before....
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Lol - you are serious I bet
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Croatch on February 06, 2015, 08:35:24 PM
What happened to GH being the fountain of youth.  He looks about 50 in the face.
Wolf and Luke Wood have/had very similar faces.
I was surprised Wolf just turned 36.

Cutler seemed to avoid that rough death face look somehow.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: ritch on February 06, 2015, 08:38:11 PM
Wolf is just 36??? Yikes man...

But just nuts how Justin has aged, but am impressed by the dedication and he does have a nice build.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on February 06, 2015, 09:12:30 PM
Who has their nose made wider?

I don't know, maybe there's some medical reason? The change seems too big to be a result of gh use.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: SquidVicious on February 06, 2015, 09:46:48 PM
How long before the awful but predictable Straight Outta Compton article in MD?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: ritch on February 06, 2015, 09:48:04 PM
How long before the awful but predictable Straight Outta Compton article in MD?

He does have the coolest possible last name. The first thing I thought of when I heard it was NWA. Impossible not to. I listened to that cassette at least 5 thousand times, lol...
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: King Shizzo on February 07, 2015, 02:02:48 AM
How long before the awful but predictable Straight Outta Compton article in MD?
Or the cheesy porn Straight into Compton.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Thick Nick on February 07, 2015, 05:31:56 AM
What people forget is these cookaloos don't consider HGH a drug. So they claim natty or very little drugs or this guy same stack... In the mean time taking all HGH they can buy from guys in bunny suits. And they... To themselves... Are technically not lieing.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 07, 2015, 06:05:43 AM
What people forget is these cookaloos don't consider HGH a drug. So they claim natty or very little drugs or this guy same stack... In the mean time taking all HGH they can buy from guys in bunny suits. And they... To themselves... Are technically not lieing.

In what alternate universe is growth not a drug?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Van_Bilderass on February 07, 2015, 07:50:49 AM
In what alternate universe is growth not a drug?

"it's an amino acid, not a drug" - Sylvester Stallone

No shit, Sly has said this a few times.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on February 07, 2015, 07:55:50 AM
His body will probably suffer when he turns 50/55. For now he does not care.

(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10948911_791052567649443_1465827453_n.jpg)

it is natural selection. Let them kill themselves for a plastic trophy.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: falco on February 08, 2015, 02:27:41 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/11/thumbnail/ezyze6uz.jpg)
(http://todoculturismo.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2-Justin-Compton.jpg)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: BayGBM on February 08, 2015, 11:32:33 AM
They need to stop with this trophy.  :'(
Who wants to display that?  Show it off? Or ever look at it? ???
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Skorp1o on February 08, 2015, 12:48:48 PM
How did his nose get so big  :o

Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: SquidVicious on February 11, 2015, 05:12:53 PM
How did his nose get so big  :o


Noselyze
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TheShape. on February 11, 2015, 07:11:05 PM
They need to stop with this trophy.  :'(
Who wants to display that?  Show it off? Or ever look at it? ???
Hahaha
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: falco on February 23, 2016, 06:48:20 AM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12749835_1688509668061953_227551452_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE5MDQyMDUzMTA3NzgzNzI2OA%3D%3D.2)
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12725056_1749524241956976_1646934440_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4NzI5Nzc4NDk2MTI5ODgwMQ%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: njflex on February 23, 2016, 06:49:57 AM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12749835_1688509668061953_227551452_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE5MDQyMDUzMTA3NzgzNzI2OA%3D%3D.2)
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12725056_1749524241956976_1646934440_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4NzI5Nzc4NDk2MTI5ODgwMQ%3D%3D.2)
freaking huge...
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: equipoise on February 23, 2016, 07:24:00 AM
I read somewhere that the best responders to GH (muscle-wise) also get the most side effects from it (nose and head growth etc.)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: bigmikecox on February 23, 2016, 07:39:41 AM
it is natural selection. Let them kill themselves for a plastic trophy.

First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done. If you dont compete or havent, its difficult to understand, and i get it but he has the chance to do what 99% of people cant do! Even if you take shit you still have to bust ass and eat good. You dont get that big from nothing.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: njflex on February 23, 2016, 07:45:07 AM
First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done. If you dont compete or havent, its difficult to understand, and i get it but he has the chance to do what 99% of people cant do! Even if you take shit you still have to bust ass and eat good. You dont get that big from nothing.
amen...
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Henda on February 23, 2016, 07:50:49 AM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12749835_1688509668061953_227551452_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE5MDQyMDUzMTA3NzgzNzI2OA%3D%3D.2)
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12725056_1749524241956976_1646934440_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4NzI5Nzc4NDk2MTI5ODgwMQ%3D%3D.2)
Magnificently handsome
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: falco on February 23, 2016, 08:11:54 AM
First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done. If you dont compete or havent, its difficult to understand, and i get it but he has the chance to do what 99% of people cant do! Even if you take shit you still have to bust ass and eat good. You dont get that big from nothing.

How many months does one have to be clean, to have a clean bloodwork? Six?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: ritch on February 23, 2016, 08:51:02 AM
How many months does one have to be clean, to have a clean bloodwork? Six?

I doubt they go under 500mg test and you can get clean bloodwork on that much or more (I have)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TheGrinch on February 23, 2016, 09:45:13 AM
His body will probably suffer when he turns 50/55. For now he does not care.

(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10948911_791052567649443_1465827453_n.jpg)


same guy?  ??? ???

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/christmasspecials/images/1/1d/ElfForeman.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120724033841)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Weedlejuice on February 23, 2016, 11:22:28 AM
I read somewhere that the best responders to GH (muscle-wise) also get the most side effects from it (nose and head growth etc.)

You could swap best responders with highest dosers and it'd make just as much sense.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: ritch on February 23, 2016, 11:27:17 AM
You could swap best responders with highest dosers and it'd make just as much sense.

But Lee Priest only used like 25mg of test per 2 weeks and like 1/5 of a winny tab every other month to be as he was...
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Disco187 on February 23, 2016, 11:32:10 AM
this is fucking bodybuilding not a beauty contest fellas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Straw Man on February 23, 2016, 11:34:52 AM
They need to stop with this trophy.  :'(
Who wants to display that?  Show it off? Or ever look at it? ???

Maybe it's meant to be ironic
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: kyomu on February 23, 2016, 12:13:14 PM
Wew, his abs was his weak point from the beginning.
I thought his abs had gone because of GH and slin.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: The Scott on February 24, 2016, 08:05:06 PM
Magnificently handsome

Looks like a zit covered turd.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: TheShape. on February 24, 2016, 08:52:30 PM
Looks like a zit covered turd.
I concur, though some like to describe his skin condition as the more positive attribute known as "graininess".
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on February 24, 2016, 09:16:06 PM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12725056_1749524241956976_1646934440_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTE4NzI5Nzc4NDk2MTI5ODgwMQ%3D%3D.2)

Never seen anyone younger than 60 with that many liver spots
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: gib on February 25, 2016, 06:35:47 PM
Have you even seen his liver?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Dave D on February 25, 2016, 06:39:29 PM
Magnificently handsome

Outed.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: grubbiergoose on February 25, 2016, 07:37:56 PM
First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done. If you dont compete or havent, its difficult to understand, and i get it but he has the chance to do what 99% of people cant do! Even if you take shit you still have to bust ass and eat good. You dont get that big from nothing.

Getting bloodwork done doesn't actually do anything though. I see everyone always say 'get bloodwork done'. Pulling a few vials of blood isn't going to cure anything lol. There is no way they have a healthy lipid profile.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: illuminati on February 25, 2016, 07:41:14 PM
First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done. If you dont compete or havent, its difficult to understand, and i get it but he has the chance to do what 99% of people cant do! Even if you take shit you still have to bust ass and eat good. You dont get that big from nothing.




This x2.
And Having the Right Genetics.
A lot of people don't want hear / Believe that.
Just to keep them happy ' It's All Drugs '
'It's All Drugs'  'It's All Drugs'
Add Infinitum.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Bevo on February 26, 2016, 01:59:27 AM



This x2.
And Having the Right Genetics.
A lot of people don't want hear / Believe that.
Just to keep them happy ' It's All Drugs '
'It's All Drugs'  'It's All Drugs'
Add Infinitum.


But it still is all drugs no matter how good the genetics, take all the drugs out and the physique is night and day difference, all of them and that includes flex wheeler, Cormier, Jay, Ronnie, etc...
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: illuminati on February 26, 2016, 02:49:21 PM
But it still is all drugs no matter how good the genetics, take all the drugs out and the physique is night and day difference, all of them and that includes flex wheeler, Cormier, Jay, Ronnie, etc...






You have a point.
Likely though that they would still be the best if there
We're no drugs for anyone & everyone was clean / natural
(Whatever that is)
Would Arnold & Sergio still have been the best in their era
If all drugs weren't available.??
Probably.

I just don't get the hang up / issue with performance enhancing
Drugs, Is there the same hang up with performance enhancing
Food, training, supplements, equipment, herbs, mental attitude etc etc.
Man has sought was to be better than the next man from Day 1.




Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: affeman on February 26, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
Never seen anyone younger than 60 with that many liver spots

(http://oceanup.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/gigi-jonas.png)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 26, 2016, 04:30:08 PM
Steroids changes the viscosity of the blood and increases blood pressure that spikes sky high while lifting. It also ages guys. Have you've seen anyone that juiced heavy for over a decade. They facially look way older than their age.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: lilhawk1 on February 26, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
Steroids changes the viscosity of the blood and increases blood pressure that spikes sky high while lifting. It also ages guys. Have you've seen anyone that juiced heavy for over a decade. They facially look way older than their age.

All bullshit.  Blood pressure spikes when anyone lifts.  Sky high, no.   Steroids can increase RBC's, simple solution, dump a pint of blood every 6 weeks.  I've juiced for along time... 18 years.  Without fail, everyone guesses I'm at least 10 years younger than I am.  Must be the Serostim.  Bloodwork every 3 months is always perfect.  Damn steroids, they're terrible for you.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: illuminati on February 27, 2016, 06:37:27 PM
All bullshit.  Blood pressure spikes when anyone lifts.  Sky high, no.   Steroids can increase RBC's, simple solution, dump a pint of blood every 6 weeks.  I've juiced for along time... 18 years.  Without fail, everyone guesses I'm at least 10 years younger than I am.  Must be the Serostim.  Bloodwork every 3 months is always perfect.  Damn steroids, they're terrible for you.








Ha ha.
Well said.
25yrs on & off.
Most guess I'm a few years younger than my actual age.

Sure steroids can be problematic,
Then so can driving a car, walking through city. Etc. Etc.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: pellius on February 27, 2016, 06:59:32 PM
is there any picture of someone actually looking better on drugs than natural?
how can someone for example prefer ronnie coleman on drugs compared to without or with very little? whats the point of drugs if its gonna make you look worse, not better?

How can someone prefer Ronnie on drugs than off? How about virtually the entire bodybuilding community. These are bbers not fashion models. Ronnie became a millionaire being a bber. That would not have happened if he just stayed being a cop.

Josh looks waaaay better now as a bodybuilder than he did six years ago where he wasn't even big enough to be a threat in Physique.

There are a lot of up and comers abusing hormones and HGH, Not many have made such progress in six years as he has.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Ropo on February 28, 2016, 04:03:40 AM
But it still is all drugs no matter how good the genetics, take all the drugs out and the physique is night and day difference, all of them and that includes flex wheeler, Cormier, Jay, Ronnie, etc...

No, drugs has nothing to do with this, it is all genetics:

(http://proteinfart.proteinfart.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mustafa-mohammad.jpg)(http://www.fitnessandpower.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/PAUL_DILLET.jpg)

Genetics are great, for example, this chick has great genetics to be a male  bodybuilder:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/50/2e/86/502e86b2a9d482ccbdff0f1f2a073a5d.jpg)


I wonder why there still is people who try to deny that it is all drugs? All what you have to see, is what happen when they stop using that crap, and disappear. Then they reappear with the 1/3 of the previous body weight, and people are amazed about their genetics? These clowns deflate like a balloon because they have so brilliant genetics? Wake up? Now I reveal a little secret to you guys: if you have being using gear 18 to 25 years but never win any major  contest, never got any fame and fortune, if you are known only in the getbig forums, don't blame your genetics. Blame yourself,  because you are just an idiot. There is lot of people who use lot of drugs and who are training, and lot of them are training like baboons. That's why we have so few competing bodybuilders, and even less successful ones  ;D
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 28, 2016, 04:43:08 AM
Steroids changes the viscosity of the blood and increases blood pressure that spikes sky high while lifting. It also ages guys. Have you've seen anyone that juiced heavy for over a decade. They facially look way older than their age.

At this point, I am forced to conclude that some juiced up stud plowed your wife/girlfriend. Your irrational hatred of steroids has caused you to internalize and evangelize every negative stereotype you have ever heard or read. I keep expecting a diatribe on "roid rage" soon.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: pellius on February 28, 2016, 05:17:16 AM
You can take all the steroids you can stand but if you don't train and you don't eat vast amounts of food and don't get enough sleep you ain't going to have any muscles.

So it's all drugs, all food, all training and all sleep.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 28, 2016, 05:23:02 AM
You can take all the steroids you can stand but if you don't train and you don't eat vast amounts of food and don't get enough food you ain't going to have any muscles.

So it's all drugs, all food, all training and all sleep.

And in general, when people say that it's "genetics" it's not their natural muscle-building genetics that they are referring to. It's their genetic ability to consume and UTILIZE vast amounts of AAS. Gear doesn't do the same thing for the same people.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: BBSSchlemiel on February 28, 2016, 05:39:15 AM
First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done.

Ah, good ol' blood work. As if the blood work shows something wrong--and it will every time one is on juice-- they are gonna pull out the stops. :)

Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Ropo on February 29, 2016, 02:04:39 AM
And in general, when people say that it's "genetics" it's not their natural muscle-building genetics that they are referring to. It's their genetic ability to consume and UTILIZE vast amounts of AAS. Gear doesn't do the same thing for the same people.

And here is pictures to prove that:

Two fine afro gentleman, who has a same first name, but different ability to utilize AAS. In fact one of them has better ability to utilize his ASS to rammed by gay men, but that is an another topic..

(http://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/vt36.jpg)(https://a3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/140/63a102bf39754b3eaae9e88561029071/300x300.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 29, 2016, 04:20:36 AM







Ha ha.
Well said.
25yrs on & off.
Most guess I'm a few years younger than my actual age.

Sure steroids can be problematic,
Then so can driving a car, walking through city. Etc. Etc.

You sound like the person who's 75 years old and has smoked their whole life bragging about their health. Is smoking a risk to good health. I will answer it for you. Of course it is.  Will everyone get heart problems or other illnesses? No.  I do bet you are delusional when you look at your face in the mirror and think you look great due to the compliments you get on your drug physique. Go completely off for 6 months and tell me how great you look for 25 years of cycling. I bet it's not a pretty sight.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on February 29, 2016, 04:35:57 AM
You sound like the person who's 75 years old and has smoked their whole life bragging about their health. Is smoking a risk to good health. I will answer it for you. Of course it is.  Will everyone get heart problems or other illnesses? No.  I do bet you are delusional when you look at your face in the mirror and think you look great due to the compliments you get on your drug physique. Go completely off for 6 months and tell me how great you look for 25 years of cycling. I bet it's not a pretty sight.

I felt the same way through my training life. I never took pictures because I was always hard on my self thinking I could do way better. I wish I had a picture of myself at 24 when I was ripped. I have so few pictures of my self when I was in my early 40's looking good. I was just so critical and hard on my self thinking wait till you really get it together. Now closing in on 60 I will never regain what I had and I wish at least I had some pictures. I have two pictures of me in decent shape with my shirt off for my whole life of training.

I see steroid junkies load up on pictures on cycle and they show people the pictures when they are off cycle looking like crap. One fat smooth guy was showing me a picture of him self all buffed out and I told him I don't need the picture you're right in front of me. He put his treasured picture back in his wallet and quickly changed topics.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: mazrim on February 29, 2016, 04:48:24 AM
Go completely off for 6 months and tell me how great you look for 25 years of cycling. I bet it's not a pretty sight.
Why would he do that? Why not be as young as possible for as long as possible? You are irrational sometimes. Should anyone be running high doses as you get older? No, probably not. But to keep yourself mostly healthy/youthful as the years go by is a good thing.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: illuminati on February 29, 2016, 02:52:11 PM
You sound like the person who's 75 years old and has smoked their whole life bragging about their health. Is smoking a risk to good health. I will answer it for you. Of course it is.  Will everyone get heart problems or other illnesses? No.  I do bet you are delusional when you look at your face in the mirror and think you look great due to the compliments you get on your drug physique. Go completely off for 6 months and tell me how great you look for 25 years of cycling. I bet it's not a pretty sight.








You sound like a very limited thinking person.
As is your right- you have a hatred of steroids.

I have not said how wonderful I look facially
Or that I have a great physique.
( it was half decent enough to win national
Level comps before I started on steroids )
Merely commented that most people underestimate
My age.

As for my health or any one else's there are no guarantees in life,
And we all know plenty of young fit heathy people who have suddenly
Dropped Dead.
Likewise very old unfit unhealthy smoking / drinking drug taking people
Who go on & on living.
Your point is.?

How about you go completely off food for 6mnths & see how great you look.
 ;)

As for delusional Pot > Kettle > Black.

What is it you so dislike about performance enhancing drugs,
And is it only performance enhancing drugs that you dislike or
All things performance enhancing.

Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Kwon_2 on February 29, 2016, 02:55:09 PM
Two fine afro gentleman, who has a same first name, but different ability to utilize AAS. In fact one of them has better ability to utilize his ASS to rammed by gay men, but that is an another topic..

(http://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/vt36.jpg)(https://a3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/140/63a102bf39754b3eaae9e88561029071/300x300.jpg)

 ;D

Melvin Taylor looked great there
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: RagingBull on February 29, 2016, 03:21:34 PM
The body's response to and tolerance of drugs are paramount.  




This x2.
And Having the Right Genetics.
A lot of people don't want hear / Believe that.
Just to keep them happy ' It's All Drugs '
'It's All Drugs'  'It's All Drugs'
Add Infinitum.

Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Earl1972 on March 01, 2016, 01:58:00 PM
Steroids changes the viscosity of the blood and increases blood pressure that spikes sky high while lifting. It also ages guys. Have you've seen anyone that juiced heavy for over a decade. They facially look way older than their age.

did you ever use steroids?

E
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Anglo on March 01, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
The development of a profesional bodybuildr/bible index

i was asked to explain in detail when hormones is introduced to profesional levels physiqe,, i will do so ,, you must again promise me this stay on getbig.com,, they all come to read me here so no need to put it on other boardings,, be sure they come first thing in morning to read gh15 before they even brush teeth,, so no posting on other boardings!

ok,,in the next sets of pictures you will be introduced to stages in development of a profesional bodybuild,, and any bodybuild to be exact...the reason this is coming to a pro level is THE TIMING of the hormonization ...and being smart enough to know what wanted to do with life from younger age eventhough didnt speak loud about it,, it is important to understand we profesionals start hormonizing ourselves during teenager years,, some before 16 some after but always 16 year old is the age we start more or less,, aside from liar priest which started before,, in general 16 years old with majority of us,,NOT ALL ,,majority of us!

give me few minutes and everything wil be explain with pictures,,

ok this set of picturs is of a truly TRULY natural kid and teenager,, it is a fella that is fat kid,,and then with introduction of some sport and natural gh growth inadition to some resistance training and running and playing little sport achieve a decent athletic stiff type of built btu still fit looking,, this is TRULY NATURAL,, all of it is HIS own hormones and his own work that put into it ,,no means aside from him wanting to be more fit and less fat inadition to natural growth,, this is again NATURAL!

the next set of pictures is when the fella INTRODUCE WEIGHT TRAININGN IN A MORE SERIOUS WAY,, that serious way involve a quick look and expericne with designer steroids,, that quite fast is DISCONTINUED and move into the real deal with is hormones,, in ALL 3 PICTURES the fella is going through the gym rat phase in his own home gym or gyms around of trying the regular testosterona nandrolona dianabolona ,, orals mainly but injects too,, it is introduced like any of you fellas do it ...most likley at the beggining of the steroids boarding beggining...i would guess it is during the retabolil era of dimination which is 1998-2003,, this is a fella a younger kid that just go gym rat doses and levels and try to get his physiqe beter,, and is sucesful in that,, again all 3 pictures are HORMONIZED! no idea about gh importance

next set of pictures,, this is when the fella ,,still younger kid...since anything under 22 is a kid... THIS! is where the tranformation into a mutant start happening,, with introduction of 2 things ...first gh! along with higher doses of aas,, and then insulina,, this is how early its been introduce to his phsyqie inorder to achieve a dream ,, he fantasize already at this age to be profesional bodybuild trust me on that,, he want to go higher and higher,, he see it in the magazine and want it ON HIMSELF,, this is where introduction occure and this is what happen after ...what you see in the pictures below is what happen after the introduction of al 3 together,, during that year period


and finaly last set of pictures,, this is pretty much a pro ready physiqe,, he has everything aside from chest,, but as you can see he never had chest or pecs to begin with ,, he improved alot and brought them up but pecs is very bad part on his body which was improved to pro level with great dedication and work which that he should be acknoleged for!,, in any case this last 2 pictures is pro in the making ready to win nationals americana or any competition that turn you to a pro ,, and look at what age he got there! this is becaus efrom very young age eventhough he didnt say it ....he was sitting home wishing for girls to want him ,, for girls to be owed by his physiqe ....you can see it in the picture with daddy on the beach how he is proud with his built fit physiqe and how he just waiting to show it eventhough nothing much to show....this is fella who knew and wanted to be a pro ,,and achieved it
good job and congratulation on the kid to even cenerfuny


gh15 approved pro


Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Anglo on March 01, 2016, 02:23:02 PM

The most important hormones in bodybuilding


due to popular demand,,
those are must hormone in blood for top amatuer and ofcourse profesional,, insulina and hgh are not a must for fitness model level phsyiqes eventhough today fitness model fellas are on hgh every few months then off,, in general those 5 hormones here are must inorder to get high in the ranks of npc competetive bodybuild aka national and then profeisional ,, local competition can do with out insulina and hgh ,, some do it completly natural but dont expect anything better than 3-5 placing in your class in the local if truly natural and that class will never be heavy or light heavy or super heavy kt will be light weight or middle weight as true natural ,,and thats if you have very good genetic and only! in local which is not national or profesional ofcourse

1. HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE,, with out it there is no pro conditioned size,, no matter how much you will jump and shout from morning to night,, no human growth hormone in blood with the window of 6 months writen in bible = no pro conditioned size and no pro card

2. TRENBOLONA ACE,, this is the most important most most most importanto anabolic steroids you can ever put into your blood,, it is more important than any other hormone even more important than hgh when it come to muscle condition,,
with out trenbolona ace THERE IS ABSOLITLY NO ADVANCE BODYBUILDER,,bodybuild with no trenbolona ace doesnt will always hear he look good...but never great,, will alwys hear yes you look good fella but but remember in the summer....remember when you were seperated and chest and deltd were huge and you were shred to pieces ,, that time you were better ,, i dont say you dont look good friend but its not what you were few month back ,, this! is what you hear when bodybuild is not on trenbolona ace!

trenbolona ace is the ONLY steroid that will let you eat anything,, you can eat icecream on this steroid and grow lean and ripped,, you can eat buns you can eat sushi ,, you can eat normal! and be shred! it is an aas with the capacity to get you in condition quite fast while at the same time growing you in the lean muscle departmnt ,, it grow you and burn fat same time,, you see it mainly to begin with by the vein poping out everywhere they go up from under the water and start poping all around if lean to begin with ,, thennn the seperation start occuring ,, it is daily changes not weekly ,, daily change on doses of 100-200 mg every day or 2 ,, you talk here about real fast changes,, and ofcourse after few months you are a walking competetive bodybuild ,, highly impressive when it come to condition withsmall waist depending on your hgh and insulina intake...with no insulina you will have 30 inch waist while you are 210lb ! when on trenbolona ace,, it is only! on trenbolona ace when the skin attach itself to the muscle in the attractive way you see in a magazine where the girl take a look and pondering why her man doesnt look even remotely close to it,, it is combo of THICKNESS AND! CONDITION which is considered shreded to ripped depending on the time you been on trenbolona ace,, the longer you are on it the more invinsible you come condition wize and the more lean size you pack on you ,, and! the more impressive you look even when weight on scale come to a stop because even then! bodyfat continue to go down ,, ALL WITH ZERO CARDIO!

3. insulina,, with out insulina you will never create a mutation on a larger fella,, a 5'8+ fella with no insulina in blood will never create mutatition ,, he will never be able to poses the 240lb+ on stage you see now day ,,insulina in today bodybuild and with deep pain i say this...is a mustyou just wont get to 240 you will be 210 with out insulina

4. testosterona,, it has to be there at some dose prefebly cycling depending on prep timing or not,, testosterona is a hormone to THICKEN an already lean physiqe,, it also keep stamina and keep your MOOD at the right place,, it can **** up condition when abused especialy when prep and especialy! when not done according to your lean muscle ,, a 200lb 5'9 fella do not prep on 1 gram testosterona for show! the end,, again testosterona is important and need to be taken sometime in higher doses to grow but it is ONLY when you have high hgh in blood ,, testosterona intake shoudl be paralel line to hgh intake ,, if you cant aford hgh or dont have it ...the testosterona doses should go DOWN

5. equipona ,, as important as testosterona ,, but testosterona is rated higher because it has medical application and it is the main hormone in all human body,, equipona is second best anabolic for bodybuild,, it grow you from the inside out slowly,, it cupp your delt very nice and it add polish to your look that only a bodyhbuild can see and recognize,, it is again attractive skin look that is wraped around muscle almost like a vaccum,, for final vaccum trenbolona and then diuretic are introduced

gh15 approved
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Jayel on March 02, 2016, 03:27:46 AM
His body will probably suffer when he turns 50/55. For now he does not care.

(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10948911_791052567649443_1465827453_n.jpg)

What words of wisdom would Hany Rimjob be imparting on the young upcoming bb'ing star, there?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Tha Grim Lifter on March 02, 2016, 03:48:57 AM
No, drugs has nothing to do with this, it is all genetics:

(http://proteinfart.proteinfart.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mustafa-mohammad.jpg)(http://www.fitnessandpower.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/PAUL_DILLET.jpg)

Genetics are great, for example, this chick has great genetics to be a male  bodybuilder:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/50/2e/86/502e86b2a9d482ccbdff0f1f2a073a5d.jpg)


I wonder why there still is people who try to deny that it is all drugs? All what you have to see, is what happen when they stop using that crap, and disappear. Then they reappear with the 1/3 of the previous body weight, and people are amazed about their genetics? These clowns deflate like a balloon because they have so brilliant genetics? Wake up? Now I reveal a little secret to you guys: if you have being using gear 18 to 25 years but never win any major  contest, never got any fame and fortune, if you are known only in the getbig forums, don't blame your genetics. Blame yourself,  because you are just an idiot. There is lot of people who use lot of drugs and who are training, and lot of them are training like baboons. That's why we have so few competing bodybuilders, and even less successful ones  ;D

How many people still train and eat the same when they come off? Fuck all.

You can still hold a lot of muscle when you clean out. I didn't change except the traps going down. But I had trained naturally for years and trained the same on or off gear. The pics above are of guys off gear and haven't trained or eaten for months. Show someone who is off gear but still training and eating properly and everyone goes 'No he's on maintenance doses', you still hold muscle if you do everything but take gear.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: affeman on March 02, 2016, 03:50:21 AM
AC champ 2016 :o :o
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: falco on March 02, 2016, 03:52:19 AM
Looks like a deserved win.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Skylge on March 02, 2016, 05:04:32 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rhoazScXm-Q/SrgQUGJZK8I/AAAAAAAAF3o/L9b6lRj-U6s/kevin_levrone.jpg)

off:

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2rrp36f.jpg)
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Disco187 on March 02, 2016, 05:38:28 AM
AC champ 2016 :o :o



DAmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now thats a shot.

Im just glad steroids hgh and all the other addititves are even made. I think being in todays world we are lucky to have shit like that at are disposal, wether or not you want to body build with it or just for a better sense of wellbeing
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: pellius on March 02, 2016, 06:03:34 AM
How many people still train and eat the same when they come off? Fuck all.

You can still hold a lot of muscle when you clean out. I didn't change except the traps going down. But I had trained naturally for years and trained the same on or off gear. The pics above are of guys off gear and haven't trained or eaten for months. Show someone who is off gear but still training and eating properly and everyone goes 'No he's on maintenance doses', you still hold muscle if you do everything but take gear.

Exactly. The dramatic lost of size is not because they are off drugs. They also don't eat like they use to and don't train at all. Many maintain great physiques after they are retire and just on TRT.

Ask yourself this: if you had two identical twins that had the exact same life styles. One took AAS but didn't train. The other didn't take any AAS but trained. After a year who would look better and be stronger and in better physical condition?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: pellius on March 02, 2016, 06:12:33 AM
AC champ 2016 :o :o

I remember that thread when Justin was bulked up and how he was just bashed as someone who is going nowhere and will never be top tier.

It's like some people know nothing about pro bodybuilding. You are not going to get huge staying under 10% year round. No top pro does this. At that level, or any level, you have to put yourself in an extreme anabolic state and that mean eating and eating and eating.
Not everybody can do this. I've tried and I just can't do it. I'm nauseous and lethargic and feel like crap. And those little vomiting in your mouth while sleeping is no fun either. To me it's easier to go hungry than it is to eat when you don't want to.

The ability to eat huge quantities of food is one of the most important factors to being a pro bber.

.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: falco on March 02, 2016, 06:49:57 AM
I remember that thread when Justin was bulked up and how he was just bashed as someone who is going nowhere and will never be top tier.

It's like some people know nothing about pro bodybuilding. You are not going to get huge staying under 10% year round. No top pro does this. At that level, or any level, you have to put yourself in an extreme anabolic state and that mean eating and eating and eating.
Not everybody can do this. I've tried and I just can't do it. I'm nauseous and lethargic and feel like crap. And those little vomiting in your mouth while sleeping is no fun either. To me it's easier to go hungry than it is to eat when you don't want to.

The ability to eat huge quantities of food is one of the most important factors to being a pro bber.

.

Words of wisdom. Force feeding is not a easy task.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Bulgarian_enforcer on March 02, 2016, 08:08:04 AM
I remember that thread when Justin was bulked up and how he was just bashed as someone who is going nowhere and will never be top tier.

It's like some people know nothing about pro bodybuilding. You are not going to get huge staying under 10% year round. No top pro does this. At that level, or any level, you have to put yourself in an extreme anabolic state and that mean eating and eating and eating.
Not everybody can do this. I've tried and I just can't do it. I'm nauseous and lethargic and feel like crap. And those little vomiting in your mouth while sleeping is no fun either. To me it's easier to go hungry than it is to eat when you don't want to.

The ability to eat huge quantities of food is one of the most important factors to being a pro bber.

.

Smoking weed and lifting heavy helps imo.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Coffeed on March 02, 2016, 08:40:56 AM
Exactly. The dramatic lost of size is not because they are off drugs. [...]

Do you really believe this?

So if you put anyone on that stage on "TRT" (let say 150mg of T per week which is MORE than most need to be high normal) and had them train and eat the same the would not deflate after a year. Do you really believe this?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: youandme on March 02, 2016, 08:51:46 AM
Looks like he was a 23 year old kid to looking like a 45 year old man....in 6 years.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: stuntmovie on March 02, 2016, 09:13:32 AM
Back in the day when I first heard the phase  ... "Drugs are just the finishing touch.", roids were not as popular as they are at present and when used, they were used in much smaller doses.....

So that phase was considered to be pretty damn accurate way back then.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on March 02, 2016, 10:24:56 AM
Exactly. The dramatic lost of size is not because they are off drugs. They also don't eat like they use to and don't train at all. Many maintain great physiques after they are retire and just on TRT.

Ask yourself this: if you had two identical twins that had the exact same life styles. One took AAS but didn't train. The other didn't take any AAS but trained. After a year who would look better and be stronger and in better physical condition?

There were some studies done on test. I think there was a group that took 600mg/week and trained, a group that took 600 and didn't train and then a no-gear training and non training group. At the end of the study (12 weeks?) the gear users that didn't train had a shitload more net muscle growth than the non-geared training folks.

Gear, is there anything it can't solve?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: pellius on March 02, 2016, 05:43:23 PM
Do you really believe this?

So if you put anyone on that stage on "TRT" (let say 150mg of T per week which is MORE than most need to be high normal) and had them train and eat the same the would not deflate after a year. Do you really believe this?

I should have said, "not JUST because they are off drugs."

Well, strictly speaking, I don't think he would "deflate", in the sense of losing weight, if he was eating the same. He'll probably get even heavier since he's not burning the calorics he did while in training. But there will be a dramatic difference in body composition. But I understand what you are saying.

Of course, you would lose a considerable amount of muscle mass if he just went on TRT. The whole point of AAS is to take you past your natural limits. But hormones alone is not going to do it. As in the example I gave, if two twins followed the exact same life style except one took hormones and didn't train, and the other trained but didn't take hormones, the trained twin would be more muscular.

Hormones alone isn't going to do much if you are not eating a caloric surplus and doing resistance training.

Mustafa is definitely not training in that before and after pic.

Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: pellius on March 02, 2016, 05:45:11 PM
Looks like he was a 23 year old kid to looking like a 45 year old man....in 6 years.

And winning the AC which is what concerns him more than looking young.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: pellius on March 02, 2016, 05:57:17 PM
There were some studies done on test. I think there was a group that took 600mg/week and trained, a group that took 600 and didn't train and then a no-gear training and non training group. At the end of the study (12 weeks?) the gear users that didn't train had a shitload more net muscle growth than the non-geared training folks.

Gear, is there anything it can't solve?

Yes, I am aware of that study. It wasn't a shit load more muscle and the training rountine prescribed was very much wanting. It was just a few basic exercises done three times a week. leg extension, leg curl, bench press, lat pull down, bicep curl. Another study was done except it was extended to one year with a more substantial weight training routine including a leg pressing movement. The natural trainees beat the juiced non weight trained individuals. I will look for the link.

BTW, you will notice on many of these studies that they always include leg extensions but do not include a squat/leg press movement. The leg extension is much easier to track, safer, and perform correctly instead of a squat and even leg press. As most realize, the leg extension is a pretty useless movement for adding any appreciable amount of quad size and strength. 
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Bevo on March 02, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Like hazbin said "rented muscle"

Doesn't matter how u twist it, it's the most important thing besides genetics in bbing, food and training is secondary
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on March 02, 2016, 06:30:55 PM
Like hazbin said "rented muscle"

Doesn't matter how u twist it, it's the most important thing besides genetics in bbing, food and training is secondary

Every aspect of life is "rented" one way or another. Even natty gains are ephemeral with time.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Kwon_2 on March 02, 2016, 06:35:53 PM
Yes, even natty gains are rented. Everything is.

Your hair is rented as well.

At 80 years of age we all mostly look like shit and have lost everything we once had :D
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: luckyone on March 02, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
pic after am workout, 61 years young, my Dad looked great when he was 80 and lifted into his late 80's

your brother in Christ,

Lucky
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: pellius on March 02, 2016, 09:03:19 PM
pic after am workout, 61 years young, my Dad looked great when he was 80 and lifted into his late 80's

your brother in Christ,

Lucky

Do you juice?
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: luckyone on March 02, 2016, 09:11:37 PM
TRT
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Ssxa on March 02, 2016, 10:07:37 PM
AC champ 2016 :o :o
Damn....Compton looks insane in this pic.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on March 03, 2016, 03:09:09 AM
TRT

Ahh yea. We are all on "TRT" here...
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Henda on March 03, 2016, 03:12:38 AM
pic after am workout, 61 years young, my Dad looked great when he was 80 and lifted into his late 80's

your brother in Christ,

Lucky
Great arms and magnificent hair, there isn't a female alive who dosent desire to run her fingers though that beutifull toffee brown hair
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: falco on March 03, 2016, 03:22:00 AM
pic after am workout, 61 years young, my Dad looked great when he was 80 and lifted into his late 80's

your brother in Christ,

Lucky

No offense dear brother in Christ, but in a first glance, you look like Trump with a great pair of guns.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on March 03, 2016, 03:29:29 AM
No offense dear brother in Christ, but in a first glance, you look like Trump with a great pair of guns.

That's what the current Trump is missing...if he punctuated his speeches with a few FDBs or FLS. Then maybe tell protesters the "look like shit" and "do you even lift?"
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: luckyone on March 03, 2016, 03:31:37 AM
No offense dear brother in Christ, but in a first glance, you look like Trump with a great pair of guns.

No offense taken, I'm just glad to still have hair, my brother went bald in his 30's!!

Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: falco on March 03, 2016, 01:13:49 PM
Since you are not easily offended, some time ago someone made a thread here about starting to have "old man" smell in ther ballsack, once hit age 60.
And since you are 61, could you destroy or corroborate this myth?
I am having nightmares about this, and i still have 21 years to get there.

Thanks. Your brother in Christ, falco.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Nether Animal on March 03, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
pic after am workout, 61 years young, my Dad looked great when he was 80 and lifted into his late 80's

your brother in Christ,

Lucky

How tall are you?

That is seriously impressive; props.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: luckyone on March 03, 2016, 08:22:29 PM
How tall are you?

That is seriously impressive; props.

Thanks for the compliment Bro. I'm about 5' 5" and weigh 190 at present.

your brother in Christ,

Lucky


Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: SF1900 on March 03, 2016, 08:30:58 PM
No offense taken, I'm just glad to still have hair, my brother went bald in his 30's!!



Are you married? If so, does your wife mind that you have an odd hair-do?

Nonetheless, very impressive physique, for any age!
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: luckyone on March 03, 2016, 09:04:07 PM
Yes HAPPILY MARRIED for quite awhile. My wife is used to my "different" hair styles as she met me when I was still playing in punk bands and my hair color would change from month to month. Needless to say I always enjoyed getting attention, one of the reasons I started lifting as a kid.

Lucky
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on March 04, 2016, 12:27:32 PM
Ahh yea. We are all on "TRT" here...

I would like everyone to know that I, am on TRT.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: equipoise on March 04, 2016, 04:19:25 PM
I think how much you keep after you go off really depends on your genetics. If you're a natural athlete mesomorph etc. I think you can retain quite a bit. Natural twink like me will go right back to twink state :D. Although I do hope I can keep a few pounds above natural limit when I go off/switch to true TRT dose.
Title: Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
Post by: _aj_ on March 04, 2016, 04:48:35 PM
I would like everyone to know that I, am on TRT.

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