Drugs are just the finishing touch!!

[Tha Grim Lifter]

No, drugs has nothing to do with this, it is all genetics:



Genetics are great, for example, this chick has great genetics to be a male  bodybuilder:




I wonder why there still is people who try to deny that it is all drugs? All what you have to see, is what happen when they stop using that crap, and disappear. Then they reappear with the 1/3 of the previous body weight, and people are amazed about their genetics? These clowns deflate like a balloon because they have so brilliant genetics? Wake up? Now I reveal a little secret to you guys: if you have being using gear 18 to 25 years but never win any major  contest, never got any fame and fortune, if you are known only in the getbig forums, don't blame your genetics. Blame yourself,  because you are just an idiot. There is lot of people who use lot of drugs and who are training, and lot of them are training like baboons. That's why we have so few competing bodybuilders, and even less successful ones 

How many people still train and eat the same when they come off? Fuck all.

You can still hold a lot of muscle when you clean out. I didn't change except the traps going down. But I had trained naturally for years and trained the same on or off gear. The pics above are of guys off gear and haven't trained or eaten for months. Show someone who is off gear but still training and eating properly and everyone goes 'No he's on maintenance doses', you still hold muscle if you do everything but take gear.

[affeman]

AC champ 2016

[falco]

Looks like a deserved win.

[Skylge]

off:

[Disco187]

AC champ 2016

DAmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now thats a shot.

Im just glad steroids hgh and all the other addititves are even made. I think being in todays world we are lucky to have shit like that at are disposal, wether or not you want to body build with it or just for a better sense of wellbeing

[pellius]

How many people still train and eat the same when they come off? Fuck all.

You can still hold a lot of muscle when you clean out. I didn't change except the traps going down. But I had trained naturally for years and trained the same on or off gear. The pics above are of guys off gear and haven't trained or eaten for months. Show someone who is off gear but still training and eating properly and everyone goes 'No he's on maintenance doses', you still hold muscle if you do everything but take gear.

Exactly. The dramatic lost of size is not because they are off drugs. They also don't eat like they use to and don't train at all. Many maintain great physiques after they are retire and just on TRT.

Ask yourself this: if you had two identical twins that had the exact same life styles. One took AAS but didn't train. The other didn't take any AAS but trained. After a year who would look better and be stronger and in better physical condition?

[pellius]

AC champ 2016

I remember that thread when Justin was bulked up and how he was just bashed as someone who is going nowhere and will never be top tier.

It's like some people know nothing about pro bodybuilding. You are not going to get huge staying under 10% year round. No top pro does this. At that level, or any level, you have to put yourself in an extreme anabolic state and that mean eating and eating and eating.
Not everybody can do this. I've tried and I just can't do it. I'm nauseous and lethargic and feel like crap. And those little vomiting in your mouth while sleeping is no fun either. To me it's easier to go hungry than it is to eat when you don't want to.

The ability to eat huge quantities of food is one of the most important factors to being a pro bber.

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[falco]

I remember that thread when Justin was bulked up and how he was just bashed as someone who is going nowhere and will never be top tier.

It's like some people know nothing about pro bodybuilding. You are not going to get huge staying under 10% year round. No top pro does this. At that level, or any level, you have to put yourself in an extreme anabolic state and that mean eating and eating and eating.
Not everybody can do this. I've tried and I just can't do it. I'm nauseous and lethargic and feel like crap. And those little vomiting in your mouth while sleeping is no fun either. To me it's easier to go hungry than it is to eat when you don't want to.

The ability to eat huge quantities of food is one of the most important factors to being a pro bber.

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Words of wisdom. Force feeding is not a easy task.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

I remember that thread when Justin was bulked up and how he was just bashed as someone who is going nowhere and will never be top tier.

It's like some people know nothing about pro bodybuilding. You are not going to get huge staying under 10% year round. No top pro does this. At that level, or any level, you have to put yourself in an extreme anabolic state and that mean eating and eating and eating.
Not everybody can do this. I've tried and I just can't do it. I'm nauseous and lethargic and feel like crap. And those little vomiting in your mouth while sleeping is no fun either. To me it's easier to go hungry than it is to eat when you don't want to.

The ability to eat huge quantities of food is one of the most important factors to being a pro bber.

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Smoking weed and lifting heavy helps imo.

[Coffeed]

Exactly. The dramatic lost of size is not because they are off drugs. [...]

Do you really believe this?

So if you put anyone on that stage on "TRT" (let say 150mg of T per week which is MORE than most need to be high normal) and had them train and eat the same the would not deflate after a year. Do you really believe this?

[youandme]

Looks like he was a 23 year old kid to looking like a 45 year old man....in 6 years.

[stuntmovie]

Back in the day when I first heard the phase  ... "Drugs are just the finishing touch.", roids were not as popular as they are at present and when used, they were used in much smaller doses.....

So that phase was considered to be pretty damn accurate way back then.

[_aj_]

Exactly. The dramatic lost of size is not because they are off drugs. They also don't eat like they use to and don't train at all. Many maintain great physiques after they are retire and just on TRT.

Ask yourself this: if you had two identical twins that had the exact same life styles. One took AAS but didn't train. The other didn't take any AAS but trained. After a year who would look better and be stronger and in better physical condition?

There were some studies done on test. I think there was a group that took 600mg/week and trained, a group that took 600 and didn't train and then a no-gear training and non training group. At the end of the study (12 weeks?) the gear users that didn't train had a shitload more net muscle growth than the non-geared training folks.

Gear, is there anything it can't solve?

[pellius]

Do you really believe this?

So if you put anyone on that stage on "TRT" (let say 150mg of T per week which is MORE than most need to be high normal) and had them train and eat the same the would not deflate after a year. Do you really believe this?

I should have said, "not JUST because they are off drugs."

Well, strictly speaking, I don't think he would "deflate", in the sense of losing weight, if he was eating the same. He'll probably get even heavier since he's not burning the calorics he did while in training. But there will be a dramatic difference in body composition. But I understand what you are saying.

Of course, you would lose a considerable amount of muscle mass if he just went on TRT. The whole point of AAS is to take you past your natural limits. But hormones alone is not going to do it. As in the example I gave, if two twins followed the exact same life style except one took hormones and didn't train, and the other trained but didn't take hormones, the trained twin would be more muscular.

Hormones alone isn't going to do much if you are not eating a caloric surplus and doing resistance training.

Mustafa is definitely not training in that before and after pic.

[pellius]

Looks like he was a 23 year old kid to looking like a 45 year old man....in 6 years.

And winning the AC which is what concerns him more than looking young.

[pellius]

There were some studies done on test. I think there was a group that took 600mg/week and trained, a group that took 600 and didn't train and then a no-gear training and non training group. At the end of the study (12 weeks?) the gear users that didn't train had a shitload more net muscle growth than the non-geared training folks.

Gear, is there anything it can't solve?

Yes, I am aware of that study. It wasn't a shit load more muscle and the training rountine prescribed was very much wanting. It was just a few basic exercises done three times a week. leg extension, leg curl, bench press, lat pull down, bicep curl. Another study was done except it was extended to one year with a more substantial weight training routine including a leg pressing movement. The natural trainees beat the juiced non weight trained individuals. I will look for the link.

BTW, you will notice on many of these studies that they always include leg extensions but do not include a squat/leg press movement. The leg extension is much easier to track, safer, and perform correctly instead of a squat and even leg press. As most realize, the leg extension is a pretty useless movement for adding any appreciable amount of quad size and strength. 

[Bevo]

Like hazbin said "rented muscle"

Doesn't matter how u twist it, it's the most important thing besides genetics in bbing, food and training is secondary

[_aj_]

Like hazbin said "rented muscle"

Doesn't matter how u twist it, it's the most important thing besides genetics in bbing, food and training is secondary

Every aspect of life is "rented" one way or another. Even natty gains are ephemeral with time.

[Kwon_2]

Yes, even natty gains are rented. Everything is.

Your hair is rented as well.

At 80 years of age we all mostly look like shit and have lost everything we once had

[luckyone]

pic after am workout, 61 years young, my Dad looked great when he was 80 and lifted into his late 80's

your brother in Christ,

Lucky

[pellius]

pic after am workout, 61 years young, my Dad looked great when he was 80 and lifted into his late 80's

your brother in Christ,

Lucky

Do you juice?

[luckyone]

TRT

[Ssxa]

AC champ 2016

Damn....Compton looks insane in this pic.

[_aj_]

TRT

Ahh yea. We are all on "TRT" here...

[Henda]

pic after am workout, 61 years young, my Dad looked great when he was 80 and lifted into his late 80's

your brother in Christ,

Lucky

Great arms and magnificent hair, there isn't a female alive who dosent desire to run her fingers though that beutifull toffee brown hair