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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Howard on February 11, 2015, 06:25:50 AM
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Unless you trained in Southern California , the 1960's and 70's were NOT the golden age of bodybuilding.
In my humble opinion, for most people, the greatest era in bodybuilding was 1985-1995.
Before the mid 1980's , decent gyms were few and far between. Oh sure, if you were training with Arnold and the boys at Gold's on Venice Beach, you experienced the "golden age" of bodybuilding in 1965-1975. The rest of the world wasn't so fortunate and it would be another 10 yrs before the rest of us had the great era of bodybuilding.
By 1985,most bodybuilding contests were held in auditoriums. Before the 1980's , most contests were held in basketball gyms with no music and a spot light hung to pose under. By the mid 80's bodybuilders posed on an actual stage with quality sound and lights.
The NPC had risen to become the biggest amateur organization . Unlike the old AAU ( Mr/Ms America), the NPC was dedicated to just bodybuilding. Real gyms shot up and the Gold's gym franchise exploded in number during this time. Before this time, if your city had a gym is was a "health club". Most health clubs had a token amount of real weight lifting equipment and featured small chrome DB's , saunas, pools and belts that shook your belly and butt LOL.
During this period ('85-95) , bodybuilding contests were 100% bodybuilding. It wasn't until the mid 1990's that the female fitness division began which later produced figure and bikini. You went to a contest and it was all bodybuilding. I remember hearing the NC state chair inform us that we were entered in a BODYBUILING contest. At an NPC competitors briefing he said; "The NPC wanted muscle mass ,shape and balance along with cuts as the winning standard." During most of this era, Lee Haney was king and his kind of physique was the gold standard.He would be defeated by Yates who raise the bar of size and conditioning before this era ended.
Your thoughts?
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The Stone Age - Early times thru 1969 (Oliva)
Golden Age - 1970 (Arnold) thru 1980 (Arnold)
Silver Age - 1981 thru 1991 (Haney retires)
The fecked up / screwball (Bronze) age - (Yates til now and beyond)... (Just terrible)...
(Just my opinion of it)...
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You're an idiot (hope this helps). The golden age has just begun with this man 8)
(http://www.gigasnutrition.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/PhilHeath-B.jpg)
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Anywhere from 1965-1990 is the golden age in my opinion.
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Proud to say I wa apart of that 70's So. Cal golden age. Even trained at the original Golds before it closed a couple of times.
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The real Golden age was before drugs. When guys built great looking bodies without drugs. Think Grimek, Reeves, Park, and let's not forget Sandow.
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The real Golden age was before drugs. When guys built great looking bodies without drugs. Think Grimek, Reeves, Park, and let's not forget Sandow.
Reeves was not natty.
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Can anyone name all BB organizations , must be at the least 15 World/Mr.Universe contests around ........... ::)
I have no idea who is current Wabba/Nabba/Ifbb,Inba,Wpf,Nac,Wbbf,Ibfa,Wff (& others) overall champ ::)
:D
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Reeves was not natty.
What proof of that do you have? He claimed he was always natural, and was out of body building and into making movies, way before the steroid invasion hit the bodybuilding scene.
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What proof of that do you have? He claimed he was always natural, and was out of body building and into making movies, way before the steroid invasion hit the bodybuilding scene.
people who know the history of steroids and such all agree on this one man. It's ok... Let it go, lol! He was not natty. Not trolling, just telling you the truth.
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people who know the history of steroids and such all agree on this one man. It's ok... Let it go, lol! He was not natty. Not trolling, just telling you the truth.
If you are telling the truth, then prove it. If you can't prove it, then stop lying.
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What proof of that do you have? He claimed he was always natural, and was out of body building and into making movies, way before the steroid invasion hit the bodybuilding scene.
They have NO proof whatsoever and never can offer anything other than vague references of testosterone in come magazine or an obscure reference from a book.
There is NO history of athletes using performance enhancing drugs until Dr John Ziegler in 1956 and that was 6 years after Reeves retired.
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They have NO proof whatsoever and never can offer anything other than vague references of testosterone in come magazine or an obscure reference from a book.
There is NO history of athletes using performance enhancing drugs until Dr John Ziegler in 1956 and that was 6 years after Reeves retired.
X2, they just want to feel like they aren't the genetic defectives they really are.
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X2, they just want to feel like they aren't the genetic defectives they really are.
The guy was 6'1" and weighed just 215lbs at his best , like that's such a stretch for someone with exceptional genetics. If he was 6'1" and weighed 240lbs in 1947 one could raise am eyebrow.
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Sorry, no time for a lengthy reply, I gotta get down to Vic Tanny's.
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You're an idiot (hope this helps). The golden age has just begun with this man 8)
(http://www.gigasnutrition.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/PhilHeath-B.jpg)
Um...sure... ::)
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You're an idiot (hope this helps). The golden age has just begun with this man 8)
(http://www.gigasnutrition.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/PhilHeath-B.jpg)
Bodybuilding has been a mess since the introduction of insulin/gh.
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Bodybuilding has been a mess since the introduction of insulin/gh.
^^^ this.
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Late 40s through mid 80s. Reeves through Paris. Don't care for Haney, Yates, Coleman, Cutler or the current midgie Heath.
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From the testosterone wiki page:
In 1927, the University of Chicago's Professor of Physiologic Chemistry, Fred C. Koch, established easy access to a large source of bovine testicles — the Chicago stockyards — and recruited students willing to endure the tedious work of extracting their isolates. In that year, Koch and his student, Lemuel McGee, derived 20 mg of a substance from a supply of 40 pounds of bovine testicles that, when administered to castrated roosters, pigs and rats, remasculinized them.[160] The group of Ernst Laqueur at the University of Amsterdam purified testosterone from bovine testicles in a similar manner in 1934, but isolation of the hormone from animal tissues in amounts permitting serious study in humans was not feasible until three European pharmaceutical giants—Schering (Berlin, Germany), Organon (Oss, Netherlands) and Ciba (Basel, Switzerland)—began full-scale steroid research and development programs in the 1930s.
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Its okay to be jealous.
As you say...Deal with it.
jealous of what?
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jealous of what?
If you "have" to ask, you're faking it. Why? No one, not even Genova, could be that stoooopid.
You know the answer to your own question.
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the golden age was the mid 80's to 2000, the physiques were great plus shows and training shows were on espn
movies often starred muscle men from arnold to van damme movies, these movies inspired millions of men to pump up which also helped introduced them to the sport of bodybuilding
it was all downhill after 2000, the elite pros of the 90's were past their prime, the bodies got worse with bloated waistlines and odd looking muscles (synthol, insulin), and instead of muscle men being portrayed as heroes we have planet fitness commercials portraying them as stupid
america also got fatter, fat people hate people that look good and try to demotivate people from participating in anything that makes you look better
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If you "have" to ask, you're faking it. Why? No one, not even Genova, could be that stoooopid.
You know the answer to your own question.
not asking, just wondering.
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testosterone was synthesized in what year? Surely you can figure the rest out. Sorry fan boys, but your guy reeves was a juicer.
Deal with it.
I know the history of steroids and testosterone. You said Reeves used them. Prove it.
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I know the history of steroids and testosterone. You said Reeves used them. Prove it.
Stay with you head in the sand then fan boy.
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Most seem to interpret the "golden age" to what ever years they grew up with it at. Earl said the 80's - 2000. Not sure how old he is but that's HIS interpretation of it. Those who grew up with it in the 90's are going to think its the 90's. I say it was the early 70's to the late 80's early 90's because it was guys like Arnold who made bodybuilding somewhat mainstream. When people started following Arnold they started following bodybuilding and then pumping iron came along.
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Finally,a good thread from Mr. White. ;)
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Stay with you head in the sand then fan boy.
Right, you have no proof. It's just because you didn't know what you were doing, and only succeeded in achieving smallness, that you feel anyone who did it right, just had to do more drugs than you did. We understand your jealousy of Steve Reeves.
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Right, you have no proof. It's just because you didn't know what you were doing, and only succeeded in achieving smallness, that you feel anyone who did it right, just had to do more drugs than you did. We understand your jealousy of Steve Reeves.
LOL!!! Been training for a while funny guy. You should kinda shut the hell up now.
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No drugs = No bodybuilding............ ........as it is today anyway. :(
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No drugs = No bodybuilding............ ........as it is today anyway. :(
As bodybuilding is today, the contestants are fat ugly mass monsters, and monsters only in the sense that they appear to have escaped from some really bad 1950's Sci Fi movie. Show pictures of today's bodybuilding stars to women and their reaction is "Yuck," and "Gross." Show pictures of Steve Reeves or Reg Park to girls and they say "Wow," and "Hot."
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LOL!!! Been training for a while funny guy. You should kinda shut the hell up now.
Hit a nerve did I? Good!
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Hit a nerve did I? Good!
I bet ya Steeve hit a nerve while injecting also...
And speaking of proof ya dumbass, how about you back up what you say about me? Prove here to everyone I'm small as you say.
CAn't do it can you? So take your own advice dipshit and go be a foggot somewhere else.
Thanks!
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I bet ya Steeve hit a nerve while injecting also...
And speaking of proof ya dumbass, how about you back up what you say about me? Prove here to everyone I'm small as you say.
CAn't do it can you? So take your own advice dipshit and go be a foggot somewhere else.
Thanks!
I don't know who you are, so I can't post your picture.
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I don't know who you are, so I can't post your picture.
You don't know who I am just like you don't know Reeves as you think you do.
Accept it man. No big deal in him using gear, he had a nice physique indeed.
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You don't know who I am just like you don't know Reeves as you think you do.
Accept it man. No big deal in him using gear, he had a nice physique indeed.
There is zero evidence that Reeves was a juicer. You're just jealous of his achievements, and rightfully so.
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There is zero evidence that Reeves was a juicer. You're just jealous of his achievements, and rightfully so.
Ok.
You win.
I am deeply jelous of Reeves because he was drug free, I am not and he is better than me.
Yay!!! You win.
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Ok.
You win.
I am deeply jelous of Reeves because he was drug free, I am not and he is better than me.
Yay!!! You win.
Yes I did win!
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but the people who know the real deal know what a clown you are.
Don't worry, in time, you will know.
In the mean time, you should just your trap and stay in the back of the class where you belong.
Fan boy.
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but the people who know the real deal know what a clown you are.
Don't worry, in time, you will know.
In the mean time, you should just your trap and stay in the back of the class where you belong.
Fan boy.
Yes Reeves has fans. You don't!
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testosterone was synthesized in what year? Surely you can figure the rest out. Sorry fan boys, but your guy reeves was a juicer.
Deal with it.
Has absolutely NOTHING to do with Reeves. There is NO history of athletes using performance enhancing drugs until Dr John Ziegler at the earliest 1956 , which was 6 years after Reeves retired.
Stop making assertions and drawing your own conclusions. Provide proof he was using. ;) We both know you can't If you can provide something more than vague references what are you waiting for?
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hey dipshits.... prove to me guys today are using? Give me factual proof of this. You can't idiots.
So how is one supposed to prove this shit back then?
No pleasing you stupid cock suckers.
Deal with it you pussy boys.
The end.
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Yes Reeves has fans. You don't!
Why seek fans when I got fan boys like you following me???
Go to rx muscle.com, great thread on this very topic with lots of guys (real vets who know the history of this shit...) to vouch for what I'm saying.
And while you're there, how about you stay there?
Thanks!
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Has absolutely NOTHING to do with Reeves. There is NO history of athletes using performance enhancing drugs until Dr John Ziegler at the earliest 1956 , which was 6 years after Reeves retired.
Stop making assertions and drawing your own conclusions. Provide proof he was using. ;) We both know you can't If you can provide something more than vague references what are you waiting for?
ND, have you read this article? Thoughts?
http://weightrainer.blogspot.com/2009/08/history-of-steroids-in-bodybuilding.html
Some excerpts from the article
"it[testosterone] didn't receive FDA approval as a prescription drug until 1950 and, therefore, injectable testosterone was produced only sporadically and in small batches for research purposes"
"it wasn't until 1954/1955 with Ziegler, that Grimek wrote of getting his first testosterone injections."
"Nobody in the west can say for sure exactly when the Soviets began using testosterone, but the likely date is sometime before October 1954 and possibly as early as 1952."
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They have NO proof whatsoever and never can offer anything other than vague references of testosterone in come magazine or an obscure reference from a book.
There is NO history of athletes using performance enhancing drugs until Dr John Ziegler in 1956 and that was 6 years after Reeves retired.
Reeves was my trainer/mentor at the Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym in the md 50s. The little blue pill (Ciba Labs Dbol) did not show up until '56-'57 as you say. Reeves was as natural as my grandmother. He would place somewhat low these days in a blood/urine tested natty show. However, in the 50s he was king.
For me the 50s were the golden age. The 70s were electric. The 80s-90s era the fun age for bodybuilding. And yes....contests and expos these days absolutely suck. 90% of the participants and audience have nothing to do with BODYBUILDING.
Glad I was around for the glory days.
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;D here
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Why seek fans when I got fan boys like you following me???
Go to rx muscle.com, great thread on this very topic with lots of guys (real vets who know the history of this shit...) to vouch for what I'm saying.
And while you're there, how about you stay there?
Thanks!
Now I believe you are even smaller than I originally thought.
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Reeves was my trainer/mentor at the Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym in the md 50s. The little blue pill (Ciba Labs Dbol) did not show up until '56-'57 as you say. Reeves was as natural as my grandmother. He would place somewhat low these days in a blood/urine tested natty show. However, in the 50s he was king.
For me the 50s were the golden age. The 70s were electric. The 80s-90s era the fun age for bodybuilding. And yes....contests and expos these days absolutely suck. 90% of the participants and audience have nothing to do with BODYBUILDING.
Glad I was around for the glory days.
Any viable proof you trained with Reeves and if he used Drugs? Any Photos of you and him together?
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Now I believe you are even smaller than I originally thought.
In getbig world maybe. In real life, not so much, so keep livin' in getbig world you delusional little fairy.
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In getbig world maybe. In real life, not so much, so keep livin' in getbig world you delusional little fairy.
Talking to yourself?
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Talking to yourself?
still following me around huh? What a good little homo/fan boy you are, so loyal...
Thanks!!!
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still following me around huh? What a good little homo/fan boy you are, so loyal...
Thanks!!!
Still can't stop talking to yourself. Seek professional help.
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Still can't stop talking to yourself. Seek professional help.
ya just can't help yourself to keep following me can ya. I know, hard to resist me, but would be great if you just fucked off now.
Thanks.
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Great post and Reeves is one of the all time greats in bodybuilding.
Those ignorant of basic history accuse him of being juiced.
Unless he had a time machine, the first steroid (D-bol) wasn't invented during his hey day.
It's also a myth that contests don't have enough bodybuilders to survive now.
There has been the same number of bodybuilders entering shows for the past 20 years.
Female bodybuilding standards could have easily been replaced with the new WPD ideals to rid the sport of she-beasts
The real issue is with the contest promoters. By adding bikini, figure and mpd, they increased the number of paid entrants from 200 bodybuilders to 800 or more "contestants".
D-bol wasn't the first steroid.
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D-bol wasn't the first steroid.
True and steroids were used for other purposes than Bodybuilding.
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Reeves was my trainer/mentor at the Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym in the md 50s. The little blue pill (Ciba Labs Dbol) did not show up until '56-'57 as you say. Reeves was as natural as my grandmother. He would place somewhat low these days in a blood/urine tested natty show. However, in the 50s he was king.
For me the 50s were the golden age. The 70s were electric. The 80s-90s era the fun age for bodybuilding. And yes....contests and expos these days absolutely suck. 90% of the participants and audience have nothing to do with BODYBUILDING.
Glad I was around for the glory days.
Steve Reeves last contest was NABBA Mr.Universe 1950, so ;)
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You're an idiot (hope this helps). The golden age has just begun with this man 8)
(http://www.gigasnutrition.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/PhilHeath-B.jpg)
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ND, have you read this article? Thoughts?
http://weightrainer.blogspot.com/2009/08/history-of-steroids-in-bodybuilding.html
Some excerpts from the article
"it[testosterone] didn't receive FDA approval as a prescription drug until 1950 and, therefore, injectable testosterone was produced only sporadically and in small batches for research purposes"
"it wasn't until 1954/1955 with Ziegler, that Grimek wrote of getting his first testosterone injections."
"Nobody in the west can say for sure exactly when the Soviets began using testosterone, but the likely date is sometime before October 1954 and possibly as early as 1952."
I actually have read that before and posted it. My thoughts are the same there is NO history of athletes in the U.S. doing any performance enhancing drugs until Ziegler. And he tested on weightlifters and NOT bodybuilders. It's said that the earliest P.E.D.s made the west coast bodybuilding scene was about 1960 and it coincides with the physiques getting radically different.
Ziegler started weightlifters with test injections and he had NO success so he gave up. People think just because people took test back then it was used with stunning results and the reality was it wasn't. Now not only are people trying to link Reeves to use of testosterone years before anyone else they also have him using it successfully over the creator of D-Bols , it boggles the mind how bad people want Reeves on drugs.
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I actually have read that before and posted it. My thoughts are the same there is NO history of athletes in the U.S. doing any performance enhancing drugs until Ziegler. And he tested on weightlifters and NOT bodybuilders. It's said that the earliest P.E.D.s made the west coast bodybuilding scene was about 1960 and it coincides with the physiques getting radically different.
Ziegler started weightlifters with test injections and he had NO success so he gave up. People think just because people took test back then it was used with stunning results and the reality was it wasn't. Now not only are people trying to link Reeves to use of testosterone years before anyone else they also have him using it successfully over the creator of D-Bols , it boggles the mind how bad people want Reeves on drugs.
They lie about Reeves being on drugs, out of jealousy, because most guys don't know what they are doing in bodybuilding, and even on juice, can't hold a candle to Steve Reeves.
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:o Fixed so that Facial expression now makes sense.
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Still impressive till this day. Dude was the man
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The real issue is with the contest promoters.
The real issue is that nobody cares about bodybuilding, and that the entire thing is dependent on illegal drug usage.
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According to Bob Kennedy who was very close to Steve , Reeves did use as with the majority of the old timers but who cares if they did?
They took nowhere the amount of stuff the guys take today.
Testosterone has been around alot longer than you think ,Hitler used it on his troops who were stationed on The Russian front during WW2.
Dinabol came on the scene in the mid 50s but Dinabol was born from other compounds remember.
For you "Natural" guys out there jumping up and down , try training as Steeve did 3 times a week full body 2-3 exercises per bodypart at high intensity coupled with bike riding up hills for calf/leg work ,follow steves diet then report back here with your progress and tell me he didnt use some sort of chemical support.
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Every FAMOUS bodybuilder after Eugene Sandow is not natural and used/experimented/abused/ultra-abused steroids and other recreational drugs. The first bodybuilder that comes to mind is Steve Reeves. Steve Reeves was not a natural bodybuilder. He did experiment with low doses of steroids and other drugs. Truth be told people from back then are no different than people today - they still did everything in their power to get bigger. Everything.
As 2PAC would say: "Some things will never change."
After Eugene Sandow's death the scene of bodybuilding changed completely. The two famous bodybuilders were John Grimek and Steve Reeves. However Steve Reeves was much more Hollywood material due to his facial features and that's why he has become the face of bodybuilding at that time. He was Arnold before Arnold. He possessed that classic macho, a little too sensitive, look and people loved it.
Steve Reeves had excellent genetics for bodybuilding - small waist, wide shoulder, strong bones. During his military service Steve was called "The Shape". However there was one secret behind his reign few people know. That little secret is called - John Bosley Ziegler or the godfather of Methandrostenolone (known as Dianabol/D-bol). While D-bol was originally released in the 1960s by Ciba Specialty Chemicals (company Ziegler worked for at some point in his career) there were prototypes of the product already during the 1940s.
Excerpts from the article: Testosterone Dreams: Sex, doctors, and the male hormone
"Testosterone was first synthesized in 1935. Shortly after testosterone was produced in a European laboratory, following a competition among three pharmaceutical companies, Time magazine reported that: German and Swiss chemical laboratories are already prepared … to manufacture from sheep’s wool all the testosterone the world needs to cure homosexuals (and) revitalize old men.”
"The first public advocate of testosterone therapy for aging men was the popular science journalist Paul de Kruif, whose manifesto The Male Hormone was published with some fanfare in 1945. Excerpted in Reader’s Digest and promoted by a full-page review in Newsweek (“Hormones for He-Men”), The Male Hormone was in some respects a prophetic book. The potential market for a rejuvenating male hormone seemed to be enormous: “How many millions of American males, not the men they used to be, would flock to the physicians and the druggist, a bit shame-faced and surreptitious, maybe, but hopeful, murmuring: ‘Doc, how about some of this new male hormone?’
During that period of time (the 40s) Ziegler experimented - on himself and athletes with many testosterone versions. Ziegler already had access to the popular steroid testosterone propionate and the extremely dangerous fat burner DNP. There was also experimentation with the powerful hormone insulin. The really scary part is that were are talking about the 1940s -the prime years of Steve Reeves. He, Grimek and a bunch of other lifters did catch that phase and were no strangers to the "finishing touch"*
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All I've ever seen was that Ziegler didn't dabble in steroids until the mid 50's. I highly doubt Steve Reeves was using 10 years before our own Olympic team and Russia for that matter.
The guy at 16 already started to show he was genetically superior
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According to Bob Kennedy who was very close to Steve , Reeves did use as with the majority of the old timers but who cares if they did?
They took nowhere the amount of stuff the guys take today.
Testosterone has been around alot longer than you think ,Hitler used it on his troops who were stationed on The Russian front during WW2.
Dinabol came on the scene in the mid 50s but Dinabol was born from other compounds remember.
For you "Natural" guys out there jumping up and down , try training as Steeve did 3 times a week full body 2-3 exercises per bodypart at high intensity coupled with bike riding up hills for calf/leg work ,follow steves diet then report back here with your progress and tell me he didnt use some sort of chemical support.
First, since Steve Reeves died, a few dirtballs started claiming that he used drugs. No one said that when he was alive, and could defend himself in court by suing the lying bastards.
Secondly, you didn't correctly describe how Reeves trained, nor did you ever study his training and nutrition methods, nor do you want to know them.
All you can see is that his results were way better than your decades of fuckingarounditis that resulted in your smallness, and so you believe he had to do drugs, because you couldn't come close to Steve Reeves results, even with drugs. Admit it, it's just pure jealousy on your part.
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Granted it was never going to be like football, soccer or baseball, etc.
BUT , I enjoy bodybuilding and Arnold proved people pay attention to muscles.
Arnold made a niche more popular. Then, it wasn't popular again.
I used to be a fan in the 90s. But, the more I thought about, the more dumb and ridiculous I realized it is.
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Every FAMOUS bodybuilder after Eugene Sandow is not natural and used/experimented/abused/ultra-abused steroids and other recreational drugs. The first bodybuilder that comes to mind is Steve Reeves.
Pretty sure Steve would punch you in the throat for these false allegations.
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Sergio Oliva: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today. But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your bones strong. Today you have guys weighing 200 pounds, and six months later they weigh 250-300 pounds! So you know these guys are taking something unbelievable. When they say they haven't taken any thing, you know that it's phony. (excerpt from interview made by By Brian D. Johnston )
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Well, "check mate" fella's.
Was nice playin' with ya'll but you guys can suck it. Deal with it, Reeves used gear.
Ha!!!
Ritchyboy out...
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Well, "check mate" fella's.
Was nice playin' with ya'll but you guys can suck it. Deal with it, Reeves used gear.
Ha!!!
Ritchyboy out...
Little Ritchie runs for cover!
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checkmate ????????????????
Reeves last competed 5 years before the 1st steroid was formulated ( D-bol)
REad what I posted, it explains it. I knew you guys would not even be open to it, just posting it for the lurkers so they can be informed...
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REad what I posted, it explains it. I knew you guys would not even be open to it, just posting it for the lurkers so they can be informed...
You posted horseshit. Zero proof that Steve Reeves used drugs, None! Zip! Nada!
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I read it and was curious it said D-bol was the first steroid made in 1955 and then hinted Reeves used similar compounds? wtf
In brief, you really don't know the actual history of testosterone therapy and d-bol synthesis
dude.... did you read the key part??? Talking way before the time you mention here... It's posted up there, if you fan boys can't make it out, then nothing I can do.
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dude.... did you read the key part??? Talking way before the time you mention here... It's posted up there, if you fan boys can't make it out, then nothing I can do.
There's no "key part" of anything that you posted, that links Steve Reeves to drug use.
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Look, you have objective PROOF that Reeves took drugs , then post it.
All you did was post some ramblng innuendo about possible use of testosterone by men of that era .
Post some proof or STFU. ;)
Are you that much of a dumb blind fool you can't read between the lines???
CArry on fan boys. My work here is done. You homo's should get together and circle jerk each other then cry on each other's shoulder that your boy Reeves used drugs.
This just so makes my day. Thanks again for participating fella's! Was a blast, until next time...
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Are you that much of a dumb blind fool you can't read between the lines???
CArry on fan boys. My work here is done. You homo's should get together and circle jerk each other then cry on each other's shoulder that your boy Reeves used drugs.
This just so makes my day. Thanks again for participating fella's! Was a blast, until next time...
Ritchie rushing off to perform as a guest star on the TV show "Little People."
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Test propionate was around in the 40s is all you need to know. This same thread can be found back in 2007 and 2006 also. Probably every couple of mo this since then.
Reeves can claim whatever he wants, but I saw it reported that he used lots of injectable vitamin B12, so he is not natural.
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Test propionate was around in the 40s is all you need to know. This same thread can be found back in 2007 and 2006 also. Probably every couple of mo this since then.
Reeves can claim whatever he wants, but I saw it reported that he used lots of injectable vitamin B12, so he is not natural.
B12 is a steroid? Finally a real drug expert! LOL!
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According to Bob Kennedy who was very close to Steve , Reeves did use as with the majority of the old timers but who cares if they did?
They took nowhere the amount of stuff the guys take today.
Testosterone has been around alot longer than you think ,Hitler used it on his troops who were stationed on The Russian front during WW2.
Dinabol came on the scene in the mid 50s but Dinabol was born from other compounds remember.
For you "Natural" guys out there jumping up and down , try training as Steeve did 3 times a week full body 2-3 exercises per bodypart at high intensity coupled with bike riding up hills for calf/leg work ,follow steves diet then report back here with your progress and tell me he didnt use some sort of chemical support.
Bob Kennedy knew very little about Reeves. He was a European 12 year old when Steve did his final competition. Kennedy moved to Canada in 1967 17 years after Steve's last show. I wrote for Bob's MMI for about 8 years, often did the Editorial for Bob. We dined several times and Bob knew that Steve was my first mentor as a teen. We talked quite a bit about the history of AAS. By the time Bob was a name in Bodybuilding Steve Reeves was long gone into horse ranching in Orange County, Ca.
I am telling you that IMO Steve Reeves did not use AAS or even look like he did. But believe what you will...
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the golden age was the mid 80's to 2000, the physiques were great plus shows and training shows were on espn
movies often starred muscle men from arnold to van damme movies, these movies inspired millions of men to pump up which also helped introduced them to the sport of bodybuilding
it was all downhill after 2000, the elite pros of the 90's were past their prime, the bodies got worse with bloated waistlines and odd looking muscles (synthol, insulin), and instead of muscle men being portrayed as heroes we have planet fitness commercials portraying them as stupid
america also got fatter, fat people hate people that look good and try to demotivate people from participating in anything that makes you look better
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I actually agree with this. Golden Age for me was probably early 1980's until early 2000's. That said, there were incredible physiques prior to the early 80's, but in terms of the majority of the competitors being consistently good started probably around 1982/1983 (although 1981 had Tom Platz and Danny Padillo) and died about 20 years later (when Kevin Levrone, Chris Cormier, Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillett and Shawn Ray retired in around 2003).
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According to Bob Kennedy who was very close to Steve , Reeves did use as with the majority of the old timers but who cares if they did?
They took nowhere the amount of stuff the guys take today.
Testosterone has been around alot longer than you think ,Hitler used it on his troops who were stationed on The Russian front during WW2.
Dinabol came on the scene in the mid 50s but Dinabol was born from other compounds remember.
For you "Natural" guys out there jumping up and down , try training as Steeve did 3 times a week full body 2-3 exercises per bodypart at high intensity coupled with bike riding up hills for calf/leg work ,follow steves diet then report back here with your progress and tell me he didnt use some sort of chemical support.
BS, flip old magz Steve was living in Switzerland until 70's,
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B12 is a steroid? Finally a real drug expert! LOL!
Injecting B12 is not natural you moron. No more natural than steroids. And whether he did or did not, his willingness to inject something into his body to help his physique shows he would have used steroids if they were available. All that later stuff from when he was out of it is just bullshit.
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Injecting B12 is not natural you moron. No more natural than steroids. And whether he did or did not, his willingness to inject something into his body to help his physique shows he would have used steroids if they were available. All that later stuff from when he was out of it is just bullshit.
Another really stupid post from you, and you dare to call someone else a moron? You think B12 and steroids are any kind of equivalency? You know what Steve Reeves did or would have done? Are you psychic? Does he communicate with you through a Ouija Board?
Steve Reeves always denied using drugs, and campaigned against drug use. No one accused him of using drugs, until after he died, when he couldn't protect himself, by suing the lying scumbags for slander and defamation of character.
You have zero proof that Steve Reeves used Steroids. Until you can post proof, STFU Moron!
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Funny how some turds like to try and knock down or TRY and knock down my physique. Google my name on the site fags, take a look, then tell me how bad I suck.
Joke's totally on you suckers.
Keep pissin' in the wind dipshits....
Clueless, totally fuckin' clueless you fuckers are.
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Google my name on the site, fags
Outed for being on a site called "fags"
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Outed for being on a site called "fags"
they're probably on that site too, lol...
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I like to think that we haven't seen the golden age yet. The best is yet to come.
PS. I am currently on Dilaudid and Percocet.
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Injecting B12 is not natural you moron. No more natural than steroids. And whether he did or did not, his willingness to inject something into his body to help his physique shows he would have used steroids if they were available. All that later stuff from when he was out of it is just bullshit.
Do you even lift bro?
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Reeves did his last Universe 5 yrs BEFORE D-bol was created.
How/why naysayers continue to lump them together is beyond me???
Ciba launched dbol in the 50's but had already released over 20 different steroids from the mid 40's before dbol.
Whether Reeves used or not is something I don't know. My comments would be, why would the guys in the 40's and
early 50's NOT try early testosterone or steroids if they could get them? Reeves looked good in the Hercules films and since his income was dependant on his look, why would be not take pills that were available to purchase mail order without prescription via ads in TV guide and readers digest?
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I like to think that we haven't seen the golden age yet. The best is yet to come.
PS. I am currently on Dilaudid and Percocet.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/254zya0.jpg)
the future
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Most seem to interpret the "golden age" to what ever years they grew up with it at. Earl said the 80's - 2000. Not sure how old he is but that's HIS interpretation of it. Those who grew up with it in the 90's are going to think its the 90's. I say it was the early 70's to the late 80's early 90's because it was guys like Arnold who made bodybuilding somewhat mainstream. When people started following Arnold they started following bodybuilding and then pumping iron came along.
Obviously, everyone will have an OPINION on this. That's the point.
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Ciba launched dbol in the 50's but had already released over 20 different steroids from the mid 40's before dbol.
Whether Reeves used or not is something I don't know. My comments would be, why would the guys in the 40's and
early 50's NOT try early testosterone or steroids if they could get them? Reeves looked good in the Hercules films and since his income was dependant on his look, why would be not take pills that were available to purchase mail order without prescription via ads in TV guide and readers digest?
What's the name of these 20 anabolic steroids? Dianabol was the first anabolic steroid. Estrogen and cortisone is also a steroid but it has nothing to do with bodybuilding.
Dianabol was created because the Russians were using straight testosterone with great success in Olympic lifting. The problems started coming in the form of an enlarged prostate. It got so bad they had to use a catheter to urinate. Dianabol was made to make testosterone more anabolic and less androgenic in light of the horrible side effects the Russians had.
Prior to dianabol what was available was straight testosterone. I seriously doubt bodybuilders knew about it. Dianabol was known because of all the York Olympic lifters being on it. Where does a bodybuilder in the 40's and 50's know about using a syringe and vial for testosterone knowing it increases muscle? I know a comic book ad for testosterone was around in the early years but what proof is that it was used by bodybuilders?
Most guys that say every single bodybuilding star was using is to justify their own use to look good in a tight shirt. It's rationalization. It's the small child that screams inside them that needs others to praise them as a man so they will risk health injecting stuff made in China and put in counterfeit packaging. Sure little boy. Everyone who is in shape or has some muscles from lifting weight is using because you look like crap without it. Okay, I'll buy that. ::)
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The force of the fan boys is never ending here...
Deal.
With.
It.
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The force of the fan boys is never ending here...
Deal.
With.
It.
Still waiting for objective proof that Reeves used steroids.
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The force of the fan boys is never ending here...
Deal.
With.
It.
Shouldn't you be posting on GetSmall.com?
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Another really stupid post from you, and you dare to call someone else a moron? You think B12 and steroids are any kind of equivalency? You know what Steve Reeves did or would have done? Are you psychic? Does he communicate with you through a Ouija Board?
Steve Reeves always denied using drugs, and campaigned against drug use. No one accused him of using drugs, until after he died, when he couldn't protect himself, by suing the lying scumbags for slander and defamation of character.
You have zero proof that Steve Reeves used Steroids. Until you can post proof, STFU Moron!
Look it is NOT natural. How is injectable B12 made? In a lab? It ain't squeezed from a piece of liver. So he is not natural. He admittedly used what was available. I think test and other stuff was available then. The top level in any sport has access. I have as much proof he did as you do that he didn't. His denials are worth the same as Craig Titus'.
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Still waiting for objective proof that Reeves used steroids.
Your definition of "objective" is picky and then some. Basically, you're calling all the people sourced as liars. Would love to see you say that to their faces and the conversations that would follow.
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Look it is NOT natural. How is injectable B12 made? In a lab? It ain't squeezed from a piece of liver. So he is not natural. He admittedly used what was available. I think test and other stuff was available then. The top level in any sport has access. I have as much proof he did as you do that he didn't. His denials are worth the same as Craig Titus'.
This is what it comes down to.
Let the fan boys be fan boys...
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No name calling needed. I'm simply waiting for the objective evidence they provided for you to substantiate your claim.
Pretty simple. ;)
OK, then, what would be proof to you, huh??? Tell me, what would please your ever so picky self to say it's proof???
Admit it, nothing will, so let's just leave it at that.
(Insert horse being beat the fuck to death over and over....)
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Look it is NOT natural. How is injectable B12 made? In a lab? It ain't squeezed from a piece of liver. So he is not natural. He admittedly used what was available. I think test and other stuff was available then. The top level in any sport has access. I have as much proof he did as you do that he didn't. His denials are worth the same as Craig Titus'.
You're a major AssHole! What test was available then, was only used to treat old guys who couldn't get it up any more. And the raw test was dangerous. Getting it up wasn't one of Steve Reeves problems. The idea that it could be used for body building came way later, after the Russians started using it for Olympic lifting. The earliest use for bodybuilding in USA was by Bob Hoffman's crew in PA, in the late 1950s. So you think wrong, or not at all, you moron.
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Look ritch, I'm not trying to bust your balls and anyone can post any rumor they desire on this forum.
BUT, forums like this are full of anonymous cranks posting shit they just pulled out their ass.
With a man of Reeves status it would be nice to see some objective proof instead of the typical unverified rumors.
Thanks for understanding my concern, ok?
I think you just see him as the "all American" who could do no harm whatsover. The stuff was available back then, any champion at that level would use if presented the stuff.
Hard to believe you're so blind not to see this.
Peace.
Again, what is objective proof, if you can even define this.
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Look... It's not like we're making up some lame ass fake rumour like he had sex with a donkey, pulled out, then came on some dude's face for $$$
What we are saying is he lived the life of a bodybuilder and that life includes doing EVERYTHING available to be the best you can be.
I know this is starting to make sense to you know, just very hard for you to admit this after thinking your whole life he was clean.
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Ok here's a couple good examples of credible proof:
1. Statement of a doc ( by name) that treated him with testosterone back in the day.
2. Mail order records from a pharmaceutical company sent to his address.
By the way, I actually met and spoke with Steve Reeves when I was an AAU national judge at the Mr America.
He only came out to the show because they started drug testing the event in the mid 90's.
MD magazine did a few features on this and the drug testing debacle that ended the America contest.
Granted that's not absolute proof Reeves didn't use drugs, but I did meet the man before he died and he was very adamant about his anti-steroid position.
Like the Doc would talk about such stuff, you're being totally unreasonable and you know it.
Mail order records???? Good luck with that. I needed proof of residency lately and anything past 10 years is not to be found. Good luck with finding shit from that era.
More posts have lead to prooving this than not prooving it.
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Again, what is objective proof, if you can even define this.
Objective proof is facts. You haven't even supplied any subjective proof! All you and the other jerkoff, Never1, supplied, were unsubstantiated rumors based on your inferiority to, and jealousy of Steve Reeves.
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Sorry ritch , IF you want to slander a legend like Steve Reeves you should have some evidence to back your claims.
Do you really think your claims about Reeves drug use would hold up in a court of law in front of a judge?
Could it be disproved in court?
Question makes as much sense as yours...
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Could it be disproved in court?
Question makes as much sense as yours...
Hey Dipshit, the burden of proof is on the accuser. That would be you. If you can't prove what you are saying, then it didn't happen! Now do you understand how the real world of evidence works for grown ups and the mentally competent?
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Bodybuilding was much better when there was no insulin and actual training.
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huh? ???
Let me break it down for you:
If you accuse him of something , you then have to prove he did it.
That's how the legal system works .
So this is the legal system now? Ok Howie...
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What's the name of these 20 anabolic steroids? Dianabol was the first anabolic steroid. Estrogen and cortisone is also a steroid but it has nothing to do with bodybuilding.
Dianabol was created because the Russians were using straight testosterone with great success in Olympic lifting. The problems started coming in the form of an enlarged prostate. It got so bad they had to use a catheter to urinate. Dianabol was made to make testosterone more anabolic and less androgenic in light of the horrible side effects the Russians had.
Prior to dianabol what was available was straight testosterone. I seriously doubt bodybuilders knew about it. Dianabol was known because of all the York Olympic lifters being on it. Where does a bodybuilder in the 40's and 50's know about using a syringe and vial for testosterone knowing it increases muscle? I know a comic book ad for testosterone was around in the early years but what proof is that it was used by bodybuilders?
Most guys that say every single bodybuilding star was using is to justify their own use to look good in a tight shirt. It's rationalization. It's the small child that screams inside them that needs others to praise them as a man so they will risk health injecting stuff made in China and put in counterfeit packaging. Sure little boy. Everyone who is in shape or has some muscles from lifting weight is using because you look like crap without it. Okay, I'll buy that. ::)
Over on the old Ironage website around 5 years ago a chemistry student researched the patent date of every steroid product launched worldwide between 1945 and 1955 . There were hundreds of them . Dianabol itself was patented in 1945.
Organon (Oss, Netherlands), Ciba (Basel, Switzerland) Syntex (Mexico) and Schering (Berlin, Germany) were the four pharmaceutical companies that controlled the early development of steroids.
The early method of extracting testosterone from bull testicles was quite expensive. Schering and Ciba independently discovered new, less expensive methods of synthesizing testosterone in August 1935. The chemical synthesis of testosterone from cholesterol was achieved in August that year by Butenandt and Hanisch.
The 1939 Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to German Adolf Butenandt (Schering) and Croatian Leopold Ružička (Ciba) for this reasearch.
In addition to their work on testosterone synthesis, Ružička and his international research team were the first to synthesize methyltestosterone and androstenedione.
Clinical trials on humans, involving either oral doses of methyltestosterone or injections of testosterone propionate, began as early as 1937
( Hoberman JM, Yesalis CE (1995). "The history of synthetic testosterone". Scientific American )
Some argue that in some instances athletes pre 50’s were given "supplements" or compounds that did, indeed, contain testosterone or steroids. Sometimes they were aware of what they were taking, and sometimes they were not. Sometimes they knew them as and called them "B-12 shots."
I find this shit very interesting. Pity the Ironage site went private and then vanished because the writing of the research of that Chemistry chap were eye opening to say the least.
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I liked the era prior to Arnold. Many of those dudes did beach wrestling, gymnastics and strongman stuff with bodybuilding. Their muscles didn't have that balloon look as todays pros and they were taller and much stronger. Not saying every one of them were tall, but just sayng, they could be considered athletes.
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Over on the old Ironage website around 5 years ago a chemistry student researched the patent date of every steroid product launched worldwide between 1945 and 1955 . There were hundreds of them . Dianabol itself was patented in 1945.
Organon (Oss, Netherlands), Ciba (Basel, Switzerland) Syntex (Mexico) and Schering (Berlin, Germany) were the four pharmaceutical companies that controlled the early development of steroids.
The early method of extracting testosterone from bull testicles was quite expensive. Schering and Ciba independently discovered new, less expensive methods of synthesizing testosterone in August 1935. The chemical synthesis of testosterone from cholesterol was achieved in August that year by Butenandt and Hanisch.
The 1939 Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to German Adolf Butenandt (Schering) and Croatian Leopold Ružička (Ciba) for this reasearch.
In addition to their work on testosterone synthesis, Ružička and his international research team were the first to synthesize methyltestosterone and androstenedione.
Clinical trials on humans, involving either oral doses of methyltestosterone or injections of testosterone propionate, began as early as 1937
( Hoberman JM, Yesalis CE (1995). "The history of synthetic testosterone". Scientific American )
Some argue that in some instances athletes pre 50’s were given "supplements" or compounds that did, indeed, contain testosterone or steroids. Sometimes they were aware of what they were taking, and sometimes they were not. Sometimes they knew them as and called them "B-12 shots."
I find this shit very interesting. Pity the Ironage site went private and then vanished because the writing of the research of that Chemistry chap were eye opening to say the least.
talking of Iron Age i see it´s up and running again with 50 or so members... ;D
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talking of Iron Age i see it´s up and running again with 50 or so members... ;D
Really? Is it the old site risen from the dead or a new version like Glasgow Rangers Light ? :D
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Really? Is it the old site risen from the dead or a new version like Glasgow Rangers Light ? :D
a slightly new version... IronAge online i believe it´s called now. still a bunch of cocks ;D
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Ok ritch, you posted a story about how some people that knew Reeves , claimed he used steroids.
I didn't buy it along with some others here.
This isn't a legal court of law and a fun , semi- bodybuilding forum.
At the end of this debate, nothing changed.
I didn't find your story very convincing and you'll just have to accept that
boys will be boys.
Fan boys that is!
;)
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Of course when someone doesn't believe your story, you have to ridicule them.
That's not helping to make your point. ;)
The points have been proven, your fan boy blind folds keep you in the dark.
Speaking of points... If you have one, by all means...
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The points have been proven, your fan boy blind folds keep you in the dark.
Speaking of points... If you have one, by all means...
You've ' proven ' nothing , you're not even a good troll :-\
Keep trying though :D
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You've ' proven ' nothing , you're not even a good troll :-\
Keep trying though :D
who is this gimmick account replying here?
Fuck off man.
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Case closed.
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Can someone tell this guy he ain't gonna win the #1 show with this hairstyle???
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Can someone tell this guy he ain't gonna win the #1 show with this hairstyle???
never going to be Mr. O because of homophobic schmoes
http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c4443fd06d38fcddb2a4b74d7bf80f3/tumblr_mqm3vjESmB1qc01y1o1_500.jpg
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never going to be Mr. O because of homophobic schmoes
http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c4443fd06d38fcddb2a4b74d7bf80f3/tumblr_mqm3vjESmB1qc01y1o1_500.jpg
But that makes no sense , everyone screams the judges are old gay schmoes anyway wouldn't he be a judges favorite? ???
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But that makes no sense , everyone screams the judges are old gay schmoes anyway wouldn't he be a judges favorite? ???
image. dirty schmoes don't want to scared people away from the "sport".
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Injecting B12 is not natural you moron. No more natural than steroids. And whether he did or did not, his willingness to inject something into his body to help his physique shows he would have used steroids if they were available. All that later stuff from when he was out of it is just bullshit.
Taking a vitamin disqualifies one from being considered "natural"?
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never going to be Mr. O because of homophobic schmoes
http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c4443fd06d38fcddb2a4b74d7bf80f3/tumblr_mqm3vjESmB1qc01y1o1_500.jpg
That pic must have 20yo.
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Whether Reeves used or not is something I don't know. My comments would be, why would the guys in the 40's and
early 50's NOT try early testosterone or steroids if they could get them? Reeves looked good in the Hercules films and since his income was dependant on his look, why would be not take pills that were available to purchase mail order without prescription via ads in TV guide and readers digest?
This x2.
You make some very rational & valid points.
If he did or didn't use maybe we won't know for sure.
I tend to think chances are he would of tried them,
As you say they were not illegal are freely available.
He probably used the proteins & vitamins around at the time.
As an aid to increase his size & strength.
Seems like some would rather believe he was not taking steroids
That's good for them.
Some believe the earth is Flat & is only 6,000 yrs old.
And a weirdy beardy man in the sky watches our every move.
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This x2.
You make some very rational & valid points.
If he did or didn't use maybe we won't know for sure.
I tend to think chances are he would of tried them,
As you say they were not illegal are freely available.
He probably used the proteins & vitamins around at the time.
As an aid to increase his size & strength.
Seems like some would rather believe he was not taking steroids
That's good for them.
Some believe the earth is Flat & is only 6,000 yrs old.
And a weirdy beardy man in the sky watches our every move.
If those mail order pills worked, as you claim they did, then why aren't there tens of thousands of guys from the 1940s, who looked like Steve Reeves?
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If those mail order pills worked, as you claim they did, then why aren't there tens of thousands of guys from the 1940s, who looked like Steve Reeves?
Where did I claim They Worked.
I said chances are he would of tried them along with the proteins & supplements around then
As an aid to increasing his size & strength.
It's A Fairly reasonable assumption.
Again Assumption Not Fact.
And why aren't there tens of thousands that look like cutler,Heath,Coleman etc Now..??
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Where did I claim They Worked.
I said chances are he would of tried them along with the proteins & supplements around then
As an aid to increasing his size & strength.
It's A Fairly reasonable assumption.
Again Assumption Not Fact.
And why aren't there tens of thousands that look like cutler,Heath,Coleman etc Now..??
Why claim he used them if they didn't work?
No one wants to look ugly, like Cutler, Heath and Coleman! So they aren't going to take the drugs they are using, to look like that. That's why bodybuilding is dying out in popularity.
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Why claim he used them if they didn't work?
No one wants to look ugly, like Cutler, Heath and Coleman! So they aren't going to take the drugs they are using, to look like that. That's why bodybuilding is dying out in popularity.
Sir please learn to read and understand.
I didn't claim anything.
merely stating a probability.
Wether he did or didn't makes no difference
to me.
You Believe as you want.
And I can think what I want.
Peace.