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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2015, 09:36:14 AM »
In getbig world maybe. In real life, not so much, so keep livin' in getbig world you delusional little fairy.

Talking to yourself?

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2015, 09:39:34 AM »
Talking to yourself?

still following me around huh? What a good little homo/fan boy you are, so loyal...

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2015, 09:50:47 AM »
still following me around huh? What a good little homo/fan boy you are, so loyal...

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Still can't stop talking to yourself. Seek professional help.

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2015, 09:54:16 AM »

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2015, 09:56:14 AM »
Still can't stop talking to yourself. Seek professional help.

ya just can't help yourself to keep following me can ya. I know, hard to resist me, but would be great if you just fucked off now.

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2015, 09:59:18 AM »
Great post and Reeves is one of the all time greats in bodybuilding.
Those ignorant of basic history accuse him of being juiced.
Unless he had a time machine, the first steroid (D-bol) wasn't invented  during his hey day.

It's also a myth that contests don't have enough bodybuilders to survive now.
There has been the same number of bodybuilders entering shows for the past 20 years.
Female bodybuilding standards could have easily been replaced with the new WPD ideals to rid the sport of she-beasts

The real issue is with the contest promoters. By adding bikini, figure and mpd, they increased the number of paid entrants from 200 bodybuilders to 800 or more "contestants".


D-bol wasn't the first steroid.

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2015, 10:07:15 AM »
D-bol wasn't the first steroid.
True and steroids were used for other purposes than Bodybuilding.

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2015, 01:17:03 PM »
Reeves was my trainer/mentor at the Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym in the md 50s. The little blue pill (Ciba Labs Dbol) did not show up until '56-'57 as you say. Reeves was as natural as my grandmother. He would place somewhat low these days in a blood/urine tested natty show. However, in the 50s he was king.

For me the 50s were the golden age. The 70s were electric. The 80s-90s era the fun age for bodybuilding. And yes....contests and expos these days absolutely suck. 90% of the participants and audience have nothing to do with BODYBUILDING.

Glad I was around for the glory days.

Steve Reeves last contest was NABBA Mr.Universe 1950, so  ;)

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2015, 01:20:00 PM »
You're an idiot (hope this helps). The golden age has just begun with this man 8)





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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2015, 02:00:28 PM »
ND, have you read this article? Thoughts?

http://weightrainer.blogspot.com/2009/08/history-of-steroids-in-bodybuilding.html

Some excerpts from the article

"it[testosterone] didn't receive FDA approval as a prescription drug until 1950 and, therefore, injectable testosterone was produced only sporadically and in small batches for research purposes"

"it wasn't until 1954/1955 with Ziegler, that Grimek wrote of getting his first testosterone injections."

"Nobody in the west can say for sure exactly when the Soviets began using testosterone, but the likely date is sometime before October 1954 and possibly as early as 1952."




I actually have read that before and posted it. My thoughts are the same there is NO history of athletes in the U.S. doing any performance enhancing drugs until Ziegler. And he tested on weightlifters and NOT bodybuilders. It's said that the earliest P.E.D.s made the west coast bodybuilding scene was about 1960 and it coincides with the physiques getting radically different.

Ziegler started weightlifters with test injections and he had NO success so he gave up. People think just because people took test back then it was used with stunning results and the reality was it wasn't. Now not only are people trying to link Reeves to use of testosterone years before anyone else they also have him using it successfully over the creator of D-Bols , it boggles the mind how bad people want Reeves on drugs.

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2015, 02:23:13 PM »
I actually have read that before and posted it. My thoughts are the same there is NO history of athletes in the U.S. doing any performance enhancing drugs until Ziegler. And he tested on weightlifters and NOT bodybuilders. It's said that the earliest P.E.D.s made the west coast bodybuilding scene was about 1960 and it coincides with the physiques getting radically different.

Ziegler started weightlifters with test injections and he had NO success so he gave up. People think just because people took test back then it was used with stunning results and the reality was it wasn't. Now not only are people trying to link Reeves to use of testosterone years before anyone else they also have him using it successfully over the creator of D-Bols , it boggles the mind how bad people want Reeves on drugs.

They lie about Reeves being on drugs, out of jealousy, because most guys don't know what they are doing in bodybuilding, and even on juice, can't hold a candle to Steve Reeves.

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2015, 02:32:43 PM »
 :o Fixed so that Facial expression now makes sense.
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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2015, 02:46:22 PM »


Still impressive till this day. Dude was the man

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2015, 02:53:37 PM »
The real issue is with the contest promoters.

The real issue is that nobody cares about bodybuilding, and that the entire thing is dependent on illegal drug usage.
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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2015, 06:49:15 PM »
According to Bob Kennedy who was very close to Steve , Reeves did use as with the majority of the old timers but who cares if they did?

They took nowhere the amount of stuff the guys take today.

Testosterone has been around alot longer than you think ,Hitler used it on his troops who were stationed on The Russian front during WW2.
Dinabol came on the scene in the  mid 50s but Dinabol was born from other compounds remember.

For you "Natural" guys out there jumping up and down , try training as Steeve did 3 times a week full body 2-3 exercises per bodypart at high intensity coupled with bike riding up hills for calf/leg work ,follow steves diet then report back here with your progress and tell me he didnt use some sort of chemical support.
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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2015, 06:55:23 PM »
Every FAMOUS bodybuilder after Eugene Sandow is not natural and used/experimented/abused/ultra-abused steroids and other recreational drugs. The first bodybuilder that comes to mind is Steve Reeves. Steve Reeves was not a natural bodybuilder. He did experiment with low doses of steroids and other drugs. Truth be told people from back then are no different than people today - they still did everything in their power to get bigger. Everything.

As 2PAC would say: "Some things will never change."

After Eugene Sandow's death the scene of bodybuilding changed completely. The two famous bodybuilders were John Grimek and Steve Reeves. However Steve Reeves was much more Hollywood material due to his facial features and that's why he has become the face of bodybuilding at that time. He was Arnold before Arnold. He possessed that classic macho, a little too sensitive, look and people loved it.


Steve Reeves had excellent genetics for bodybuilding - small waist, wide shoulder, strong bones. During his military service Steve was called "The Shape". However there was one secret behind his reign few people know. That little secret is called - John Bosley Ziegler or the godfather of Methandrostenolone (known as Dianabol/D-bol). While D-bol was originally released in the 1960s by Ciba Specialty Chemicals (company Ziegler worked for at some point in his career) there were prototypes of the product already during the 1940s.



Excerpts from the article: Testosterone Dreams: Sex, doctors, and the male hormone

"Testosterone was first synthesized in 1935. Shortly after testosterone was produced in a European laboratory, following a competition among three pharmaceutical companies, Time magazine reported that: German and Swiss chemical laboratories are already prepared … to manufacture from sheep’s wool all the testosterone the world needs to cure homosexuals (and) revitalize old men.”

"The first public advocate of testosterone therapy for aging men was the popular science journalist Paul de Kruif, whose manifesto The Male Hormone was published with some fanfare in 1945. Excerpted in Reader’s Digest and promoted by a full-page review in Newsweek (“Hormones for He-Men”), The Male Hormone was in some respects a prophetic book. The potential market for a rejuvenating male hormone seemed to be enormous: “How many millions of American males, not the men they used to be, would flock to the physicians and the druggist, a bit shame-faced and surreptitious, maybe, but hopeful, murmuring: ‘Doc, how about some of this new male hormone?’


During that period of time (the 40s)  Ziegler experimented - on himself and athletes with many testosterone versions. Ziegler already had access to the popular steroid testosterone propionate and the extremely dangerous fat burner DNP. There was also experimentation with the powerful hormone insulin. The really scary part is that were are talking about the 1940s -the prime years of Steve Reeves. He, Grimek and a bunch of other lifters did catch that phase and were no strangers to the "finishing touch"*

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2015, 06:59:54 PM »
All I've ever seen was that Ziegler didn't dabble in steroids until the mid 50's. I highly doubt Steve Reeves was using 10 years before our own Olympic team and Russia for that matter.

The guy at 16 already started to show he was genetically superior


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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2015, 07:04:30 PM »
According to Bob Kennedy who was very close to Steve , Reeves did use as with the majority of the old timers but who cares if they did?

They took nowhere the amount of stuff the guys take today.

Testosterone has been around alot longer than you think ,Hitler used it on his troops who were stationed on The Russian front during WW2.
Dinabol came on the scene in the  mid 50s but Dinabol was born from other compounds remember.

For you "Natural" guys out there jumping up and down , try training as Steeve did 3 times a week full body 2-3 exercises per bodypart at high intensity coupled with bike riding up hills for calf/leg work ,follow steves diet then report back here with your progress and tell me he didnt use some sort of chemical support.


First, since Steve Reeves died, a few dirtballs started claiming that he used drugs. No one said that when he was alive, and could defend himself in court by suing the lying bastards.

Secondly, you didn't correctly describe how Reeves trained, nor did you ever study his training and nutrition methods, nor do you want to know them.

All you can see is that his results were way better than your decades of fuckingarounditis that resulted in your smallness, and so you believe he had to do drugs, because you couldn't come close to Steve Reeves results, even with drugs. Admit it, it's just pure jealousy on your part.

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2015, 07:05:25 PM »
Granted it was never going to be like football, soccer or baseball, etc.
BUT , I enjoy bodybuilding and Arnold proved people pay attention to muscles.



Arnold made a niche more popular.  Then, it wasn't popular again.

I used to be a fan in the 90s.  But, the more I  thought about, the more dumb and ridiculous I realized it is.
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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2015, 07:06:43 PM »
Every FAMOUS bodybuilder after Eugene Sandow is not natural and used/experimented/abused/ultra-abused steroids and other recreational drugs. The first bodybuilder that comes to mind is Steve Reeves.
Pretty sure Steve would punch you in the throat for these false allegations.





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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2015, 07:08:22 PM »
Sergio Oliva: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today. But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your bones strong. Today you have guys weighing 200 pounds, and six months later they weigh 250-300 pounds! So you know these guys are taking something unbelievable. When they say they haven't taken any thing, you know that it's phony.  (excerpt from interview made by By Brian D. Johnston )
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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2015, 07:10:39 PM »
Well, "check mate" fella's.

Was nice playin' with ya'll but you guys can suck it. Deal with it, Reeves used gear.

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2015, 07:15:38 PM »
Well, "check mate" fella's.

Was nice playin' with ya'll but you guys can suck it. Deal with it, Reeves used gear.

Ha!!!

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Re: The real golden age of bodybuilding.
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2015, 07:18:28 PM »
checkmate ????????????????
Reeves last competed 5 years before the 1st steroid was formulated ( D-bol)

REad what I posted, it explains it. I knew you guys would not even be open to it, just posting it for the lurkers so they can be informed...
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