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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: SPRINKFSU on February 23, 2006, 11:39:33 PM
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i have heard people being on test for a year straight,and has had no problems.but had some awsome gains.has anyone ever heard of anything like this?
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You gotta switch your type of test every 6 weeks it will stop working just like d-bol, anadrol and so on. Only riod you can do longer than 6 weeks is deca. You heard it here first.
This is SO wrong, that I won't even attempt to address it. ???
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You gotta switch your type of test every 6 weeks it will stop working just like d-bol, anadrol and so on. Only riod you can do longer than 6 weeks is deca. You heard it here first.
Umm........no. Like Beefy said that's very, very wrong.
Anyhow, Louie Simmons (Westside powerlifting guru) has said that he hasn't been totally off AAS during the past 25 years or so.
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You gotta switch your type of test every 6 weeks it will stop working just like d-bol, anadrol and so on. Only riod you can do longer than 6 weeks is deca. You heard it here first.
WOW that was FANTASTICALLY asinine ???
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I've been undergoing HRT for about 2 years. The first year I used a Testosterone gel that I applied daily and HGH that I injected daily.
It got a little expensive so the second year I discontinued the HGH and switched to injectable Test. (Cypionate) only.
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so whats the deal? so you can be on it for a long period of time.
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so if you switch it up like to deca or tren or d-bol or just anything else youll be ok?
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oh really? so you guys think you're making gains after being on the same thing for months at a time? hmmm You guys know how your receptors work?
you dont need to change your test though idiot, just throw in different compounds and switch shit up. and your comment that "the only drug you can do longer than 6 weeks is deca"
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double try medium it's more your size
i wear 3xl, fit tight to my body other than around the waist, thanks for the suggestion though idiot.
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i guess you could consider my solid 280lb physique, 245lbs when ripped weight a problem, thighs chafing, the impact from walking and sweating like a pig on hot summer days can get annoying, i appreciate your concern, bro. keep on preaching your theory that your receptors recognise esters and that deca is the only drug you can run longer than 6 weeks LOL.
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yeah, is that your internet size? hmm well id say you're about 195 if you ever lost your fat, and thats giving you credit. Don't question what I say mr. medium. What I say you better take in and like it. Use it maybe you'll grow this year.
im sure you're huge, i mean you must be with the ingenious AAS knowlage you posess, i bet you're massive LOL, fucking dumbass, you're probably 16.
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Yeah 16 and smoke you on stage you fool.. Don't take what I say as fact, be only big online and a joke in the real world, its your life. Just tryin' to help.
calm down smallfry, no need to get so defensive. next time just make sure you have even the slightest clue what the f**k you're saying instead of talking out of your ass.
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oh, mr. medium, you won't admit you're wrong. Just keep reading your internet roid facts and never make it in bodybuilding. I train with the best and know what works and what doesn't. You're lucky I let some spill here today.
good post dude, you really back up your theories well. im very interested in what you're saying, please fill me in on why you think receptors recognise esters and why you say deca is the only drug you can/should run longer than 6 weeks, id really appreciate it, thanks in advance.
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come on guys this is not a pissing match.so you can switch up the test and youll be ok.but deca you can run for a period of time.but if you run deca by itself will you need test with that as your running deca?
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come on guys this is not a pissing match.so you can switch up the test and youll be ok.but deca you can run for a period of time.but if you run deca by itself will you need test with that as your running deca?
No need to switch test bro, just pick one and go with it. You can however switch to prop at the end of your cycle since it is a short acting ester which only remains active 24-48 hrs. Doing this will allow the longer esters in the test you've used through the bulk of your cycle to clear out, and allow for a smooth transition into your PCT. Switching to prop at the end is also beneficial if you're preparing for comp, because it tends to bloat you less when used for a short period as compared to the longer-ester based test.
As far as choosing what test to use, it's not all that crucial. You can go with test-e or cyp and expect almost an identical result since they are identical in makeup, injecting 1x per wk is usually sufficient. As for myself, I prefer sust as my base for all my cycles, it tends to bloat you less, it also seems to provide a bit of an added pop with the prop mixed in it, and the other 3 test in the compound which are mixed on a basis of time release seem for me at least to provide a much smoother ride over-all. A lot of people claim that it is too difficult to keep blood/test levels at a comfortable place when using sust because of the various esters, but this is false. A lot of people also claim that because of the long acting esters it should only be injected every 7-10 days, also false. If you wish to keep blood/test levels stable and if you want to take advantage of the prop it should be injected 3x wk...myself, I prefer 4x wk, it's just a lot smoother.
Duration of test use depends on first and foremost your level of experience. A novice should never run very long cycles because they have no idea how their body is going to react. That doesn't mean you should run it 4-6wks, not at all, you have to allow the test time to become active in your body, and short cycles do not allow for this.
Yes, deca should be run with test, and should be discontinued at least 2wks before your cycle ends.
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We should all post our pics, just to see who's theories worked out the best.
It's true, gear affects everyone’s body a little bit differently and adjustments should be made to fit your body as best you can, but all in all, the AAS game is not about theories, but facts that are set in stone.
If you have some facts you wish to present to back your "theories" then by all means post them. If not, then your rhetorical bull-shit does not belong on this board.
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so i can run test E for 12 weeks and then switch to a different test.the reason im asking this when i got off of the tes for 2 weeks cause of injury ( not due to the steroid or working out )i felt like i depended on it cause it made me aware and feel great and helped with my workout so after i got better i shot 700mg and it just felt awsome,i only use 500mg a week before and now.i mean if two weeks made me feel like i needed the test what will 2-3 months make me feel like?is this stupid or is it just in my head.im 5'11 195 lbs and i feel awsome tight and ready to keep going.is this normal? thanks guys for all the advise
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You gotta switch your type of test every 6 weeks it will stop working just like d-bol, anadrol and so on. Only riod you can do longer than 6 weeks is deca. You heard it here first.
^That's complete bullshit, ARMZ.
I'm not even going to address it in depth. Test is Test, regardless of the ester. It will work after 6 weeks like it worked at the beginning.
To the original question. I know of a few people who stay on permenently and yes they are still making gains. I'm talking years here......not months.
DIV
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so people do depend on the test when they are on it right? i mean if your gonna use it for years,theres gotta be more of a reason to stay on it besides your gains.
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Till then, better switch your type of test every 6 weeks.
Do you have proof to back up what you're saying?
If you're so sure about this 'ARMZ', then I imagine you'll have no problem posting a peer reviewed study to prove it.
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i dont have proof im just asking
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Not that I'm trying to fuel the fire as half of this thread is just ARMZ & DOUBLE XL fighting but.....Wheredid you get all this information ARMZ?
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this is confuseing???? :-\ ??? may be best i guess for me not to ask anymore questions? but i still would like to get some insight one says this the other says that,one has facts but dont wanna share it the other has experience.
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ARMZ,
You've made some radical statements and got some people thinking.
Conventional thinking says you are wrong... but many of us, myself included, are anything but conventional - if we were we would not be here.
Give us some research or some scientific basis for your opinion. There must be someone noteworthy who agrees with you... no? Simply saying "the proof is in the pudding" won't convince even the most open minded person.
I'm not knockin you bro. I don't accept everything I hear just because most people say it is so - give us some credible evidence to validate your point of view. Thanks.
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OK im not getting the answer to what im asking.do people that stay on test for awhile do they seem to depend on it?
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OK im not getting the answer to what im asking.do people that stay on test for awhile do they seem to depend on it?
Yes, some stay on year round. If you do this you will "depend on it."
If you're older and your test levels are low, staying on year round by means of HRT is not a bad thing, actually one of the best things you can do in this case.
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i guess it can be a good thing then.thats the answer i was thinking of thanks arnold
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like said before, everyone is diff. when it comes to how ur body will respond and react to lengthy test doses, look at hrt, its ok, but i wouldnt want to saty on all the time to be honest. i like satying on for 4-6 months and taking or trying to saty off at least = to the time on.
muscle
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look i just started takinvg test a year ago andtook it ffor 10 wks my 1st time and it worked for 10 weeks not 6 so saying you need to switch every 6 wks cannot be true but i would like to read where you get your info
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i would say d-bol isnt anadrol more toxic
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maybe 6 weeks if im lucky
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How long do you think you'll make steady gains on that d-bol?
People use d-bol for six weeks because of liver toxicity....
Show us some proof bro
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Oh really? Good thing test doesn't go through your liver huh? Year round test would hurt it bad. I'm not sure pros care about how toxic d-bol is. If it worked more than 6 weeks, it would be done more than 6 weeks, trust me.
I am not doubting that people use d-bol for more than 6 weeks. What I am saying is that the reason the rule of thumb when using d-bol is 6 weeks, is liver toxicity. And yes, it is great that test does not go through ur liver.
But, we are all interested in your proof on why people should switch their test up every six weeks? You have that proof yet?
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lol my point is d-bol will not work if used over 6 weeks at a time. All the pros I've talked to about it say they switch to anadrol for 2 weeks to get over the stubborn ole body building that resistance/adapting to that type of drug. oops another idea that's wrong for getbig, my bad.
It's dependant on genetic predisposition. It's not a black and white issue, ARMZ. Saying that D-bol won't work if used over 6 weeks is the most ignorant thing I've heard........except for that kid that said Testosterone caused him to be depressed.
What works for one person won't necessarily work for another.
I know alot of people that use D-bol for more than 6 weeks per cycle and do fine. There are some kids who eat D-bol like candy and bloat up like menstrating women, yet still make gains.
I don't advise it necessarily, but it has been done.
DIV
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Oh really? Good thing test doesn't go through your liver huh? Year round test would hurt it bad.
ARMZ,
Depends on dose - 2 grams a week could curl anyone's toes if used long enough.
I go to a VERY conservative MD who won't even prescribe me Ambien for sleep but will prescribe 300 mgs. of Cyp. every 2 weeks for HRT.
I also see an endocrinologist who reviews bloodwork, ultrasound scans and conducts an exhaustive physical exam regularly. I'm not talking about some Mexican border script scribbler... this guy is a board certified pro when it comes to this stuff. He, too, doesn't think long term use is detrimental to a person's health and well being.
I've been waiting for some proof of what you say but since you obviously don't have any reliable references for your beliefs, other than what you see in your pudding, I think I'll continue to take his advice instead of your's.
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How big is your MD.
Now I'm certain.
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Armz look while doses may seem to give a better kick when you have been off for a while to say it stops working after 6 weeks is wrong
I personally have run test same ester for months at time and dbol as well. You will get gains after 6 weeks. Not sure how much simplier to state it have done it no reason to lie
Have you personally tried longer cycles? While it may be ideal to switch everything up every 6 weeks(pros have this luxury) lets be realistic we are not talking whey protein you can not get it at GNC
If you have something and its legit then use it until you run out thats the truth
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How big is your MD. Has he ever used? Can he tell you first hand what works? Someone once told me, "Never trust a fat trainer, never trust a skinny chef"
The size of an individual does not always equate to knowledge concerning AAS. I've known some guys who are more knowledgeable then most when it comes to the topic, and I would not necessarily call them freaks of nature. Most of them have quality size, but I know of a few who are nothing to brag about when it comes to size, but even so, their knowledge of AAS is vast.
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How big is your MD. Has he ever used? Can he tell you first hand what works? Someone once told me, "Never trust a fat trainer, never trust a skinny chef"
^That is one of the most assinine statements I've ever heard. :)
There are tons of trainers who know their shit, yet don't have low BF%. Some are powerlifters. Some aren't bodybuilders.
If you're going to judge a trainer on how they look soley instead of how their clients look and their feedback you are really selling yourself short.
A trainer who works 40+ hours per week won't necessarily have time to put in the hours in cardio and lifting that they'd like, not to mention if they are in school.
Alot of factors.......you can't judge.
As far as your "skinny chef" comment. What can I say. It speaks for itself. ::)
DIV
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Switching it up? What about Sust which has the different compounds in it?
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Switching it up? What about Sust which has the different compounds in it?
Eh, ARMZ will probably just say Sustanon can't work because the different esters will counteract each other, rendering it worthless. ;D
And Division summed up the whole "what a person looks like is directly related to how much knowledge they have" argument very well.
From what I've seen, William Llewellyn doesn't look like a pro bodybuilder, but would anyone question his knowledge of AAS?
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dont forget its in the pudding statement
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From what I've seen, William Llewellyn doesn't look like a pro bodybuilder, but would anyone question his knowledge of AAS?
William Llewellyn looks like the average guy, but he knows alot more about AAS pharmacology than your average gym roidmonkey.
Throws that whole "perception is reality" argument out the window.
DIV
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i understand what u all say but i think it looks more prof3essional when a trainer or a nutrionist looks the part, IMO itll bring in more business for them, i used to work for a guy that was very over weight and a trainer and could not get that much work plus his attitude stunk, very unprofessional.
muscle
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What an amusing thread. An opportunity for some serious info and yet no-one has posted anything and backed it up. Where are the links to studies to prove an argument one way or the other? To base an argument on what an uneducated pro bodybuilder who grows easily and probably has no idea what he is really doing says in ridiculous. Anecdotally, plenty of guys have responded to test for longer than six weeks. From observation I do believe that much after 10 weeks is getting into the realms of diminishing returns - based on realtively low (under 1000mg/wk) doses. No doubt cranking it up to 2-3 grams would work.
The idea that you have to rotate to another kind of test after 6 weeks defies logic. What if you go from Sustanon to Suspension? Blood levels will remain elevated for up to a month after the last shot of sust so does that mean gains will only be seen from the last 2 weeks of the suspension? As has been said, Test is Test and all you are doing is changing the half life and then the injection frequency is adjusted to compensate - effectively negating any difference.
Deca is nasty whether it be for 6 or 20 weeks and should never replace a good, legitimate test. Equipose is a product generally considered to be ineffective at anything below 8-10 weeks.
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i understand what u all say but i think it looks more prof3essional when a trainer or a nutrionist looks the part, IMO itll bring in more business for them, i used to work for a guy that was very over weight and a trainer and could not get that much work plus his attitude stunk, very unprofessional.
muscle
^Sounds good in theory, but at my gym most of the trainers are oveweight and they're booked. They're so far booked they have lists of people they need to call to schedule training sessions for that are backlogged. I know this because very soon I will training and I'm not your "ideal" either. I'm a powerlifter, not a prettyboy bodybuilder type, but I know more than most of the trainers there already. How do I know? Because I've seen how they train and I've seen their clients and how they never progress. It's all about what you know, not what you look like.
Trust.
What an amusing thread. An opportunity for some serious info and yet no-one has posted anything and backed it up. Where are the links to studies to prove an argument one way or the other? To base an argument on what an uneducated pro bodybuilder who grows easily and probably has no idea what he is really doing says in ridiculous. Anecdotally, plenty of guys have responded to test for longer than six weeks. From observation I do believe that much after 10 weeks is getting into the realms of diminishing returns - based on realtively low (under 1000mg/wk) doses. No doubt cranking it up to 2-3 grams would work.
The idea that you have to rotate to another kind of test after 6 weeks defies logic. What if you go from Sustanon to Suspension? Blood levels will remain elevated for up to a month after the last shot of sust so does that mean gains will only be seen from the last 2 weeks of the suspension? As has been said, Test is Test and all you are doing is changing the half life and then the injection frequency is adjusted to compensate - effectively negating any difference.
Deca is nasty whether it be for 6 or 20 weeks and should never replace a good, legitimate test. Equipose is a product generally considered to be ineffective at anything below 8-10 weeks.
^Who said Deca was meant to replace Test? That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. Who said that? Deca is meant to be run in excess of 10-12 weeks, for long durations because its mechanism of action is so slow.
I don't have time to post studies up back up my opinions. They are my opinions, take them or leave them. I don't care.
DIV
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sprinkfsu, the answer to your questions are dose and age dependant. some men over 40 can stay on 250mg test for the rest of their lives with no problems. if your talking like 750mg a week or more then its a matter of time, if your young then you risk completly shutting your natty test down for life by not cycling off. you can stay on as long as you like by switiching compounds but you will be making the sides worse on your body even with all of the precautions. most pro's have been on for 20 years and when they say they go off usually they are still using 250mg or 500mg test a week because their natty test levels are almost non existant. they call this idling. so you can stay on forever and run the health risks or cycle on/off and minimize the risk. it's your call, i have a friend who has been on for 5 years straight without a break and never once seen a doctor. he looks great but who knows what the damage is inside. this guy takes like 1g test, 600mg tren, 500mg deca a week, 150mg anadrol a day and 10ius GH. and this is not the highest he goes on dosages, actually this a low dose cycle for him right now. again though who knows what's goin on inside him
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Very amusing thread. Took a while to read.
I was on a full cycle with test to the hilt for 14 months back in 1996 or 1997 somewhere in there. Had regular bloodwork and nothing what so ever out of the ordinary at all. Nothing.
Post cycle was fun though.
Now am I recommending someone do this? No. Just answering the original question.
The point is that at this time my body really, really grew. I take this year or so as the foundation where I am today. I never swtiched esters at all. Test Cypionate was ran the whole time.
Oh ARMZ.....
If I were you I'd stick with reading and not posting. You haven't a clue what these compounds do front, back and center in your body when administered. Not a clue. If you think that a person has to be big to be smart you are so wrong. Rule of thumb usually goes the bigger you are the dumber you are in this game.
Of course there are exceptions.......
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Very amusing thread. Took a while to read.
I was on a full cycle with test to the hilt for 14 months back in 1996 or 1997 somewhere in there. Had regular bloodwork and nothing what so ever out of the ordinary at all. Nothing.
Post cycle was fun though.
Now am I recommending someone do this? No. Just answering the original question.
The point is that at this time my body really, really grew. I take this year or so as the foundation where I am today. I never swtiched esters at all. Test Cypionate was ran the whole time.
I was pondering this type of longterm cycle for the exact same reason you did. My thinking was that moderate-high doses for an extended period would build up so much quality mass simply by accumulation that regardless of how well your PCT went you would still keep a significant amount of gains, so long as you kept lifting regularly. That would see to hold true.
What % of your gains did you keep, by your estimation? Did you lose more size or strength? What did you do for PCT after that year long cycle?
I'm curious to see this. I'm thinking of going on for a year or so.....just for peak gains, for the experience itself, taking all the necesssary precautions of course.
DIV
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You don't give us the full scoop? Thank God!!
Read your posts again on this thread. Just yours.
Maybe you are just having a "bad post day."
Wishful thinking on my part......
You were right about one thing though......
AHH.. I don't know anything huh.
See. You were right......
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I was pondering this type of longterm cycle for the exact same reason you did. My thinking was that moderate-high doses for an extended period would build up so much quality mass simply by accumulation that regardless of how well your PCT went you would still keep a significant amount of gains, so long as you kept lifting regularly. That would see to hold true.
What % of your gains did you keep, by your estimation? Did you lose more size or strength? What did you do for PCT after that year long cycle?
I'm curious to see this. I'm thinking of going on for a year or so.....just for peak gains, for the experience itself, taking all the necesssary precautions of course.
DIV
I did the exact cycle for the reason you mentioned bro. I was serious about my training back then and wanted to change alot of things about my physique. I gained about 30 full pounds after PCT was done. The big thing was that I totally brought up problem or lagging parts and at that point everything in my mind was proportional. Of course I gained a tremendous amount of muscle and totally changed my body structurally.
To this day I feel my body is where it is because of that 14 months. I am sure if I didn't lift anymore or ate like shit it would all go to waste but you get what I mean.
My PCT back then was Nolvadex and do you remember EAS's product Neurogain? I still to this day use a mix of the chemicals that were in that formula. Tyrosine, St. Johns Wort, DMAE and a few others to somewhat help with the transition back into homeostasis. I feel that using these along with HCG and Nolvadex (I hate Clomid) still works wonders and I have used them in EVERY PCT since.
I really just only lost a little strength when that cycle was over because I started out bulking and then went right into a so called "cutting cycle" before going off. By body fat was around 4-5 percent when I came off so when all compounds cleared I actually looked bigger in all reality. Just the strength suffered a little.
If you do end up doing it bro I think you will end up liking the results. Many people would consider this kind of advice taboo you know. Year long cycles, DNP use etc..
I feel it was easier for me bulking then cutting real low before coming off. Nowadays PCT's are easier because the science is there.
Good luck.
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I did the exact cycle for the reason you mentioned bro. I was serious about my training back then and wanted to change alot of things about my physique. I gained about 30 full pounds after PCT was done. The big thing was that I totally brought up problem or lagging parts and at that point everything in my mind was proportional. Of course I gained a tremendous amount of muscle and totally changed my body structurally.
To this day I feel my body is where it is because of that 14 months. I am sure if I didn't lift anymore or ate like shit it would all go to waste but you get what I mean.
My PCT back then was Nolvadex and do you remember EAS's product Neurogain? I still to this day use a mix of the chemicals that were in that formula. Tyrosine, St. Johns Wort, DMAE and a few others to somewhat help with the transition back into homeostasis. I feel that using these along with HCG and Nolvadex (I hate Clomid) still works wonders and I have used them in EVERY PCT since.
I really just only lost a little strength when that cycle was over because I started out bulking and then went right into a so called "cutting cycle" before going off. By body fat was around 4-5 percent when I came off so when all compounds cleared I actually looked bigger in all reality. Just the strength suffered a little.
If you do end up doing it bro I think you will end up liking the results. Many people would consider this kind of advice taboo you know. Year long cycles, DNP use etc..
I feel it was easier for me bulking then cutting real low before coming off. Nowadays PCT's are easier because the science is there.
Good luck.
If you don't mind I'd like the exact specifications of your cycle, the dosages, lengths......transition from bulker to cutter included.
Also if you used DNP, your experiences with that. I have a stash of it, just haven't used it yet.
I also would like your full detailed PCT after this year long cycle with specific dosages. I know it's asking alot, but if you have it written down or stored on your HD, I'd appreciate it.
I am thinking of doing that for the exact reasons you are. You've been through the wars......I'm about ready to start my own.
You can PM me those if that's easier.
DIV
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Boo!
C'mon armz... this switching esters thing, the dbol gains stopping after 6 weeks thingy one at a time.
1) Test is Test to the body, the ester becomes unattached and voila, you have Test in all cases.
2) Most dbol gains are water anyway for the first few weeks + alot of glycogen, and you can only gain so much water in the muscle. Staying on longer than 6 weeks can give someone continued gains that aren't related to just gaining water.
But bottom line, if what you are doing is working for you, and you believe in it, then by all means keep doing it.
SwingGuru
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^Who said Deca was meant to replace Test? That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. Who said that? Deca is meant to be run in excess of 10-12 weeks, for long durations because its mechanism of action is so slow.
I don't have time to post studies up back up my opinions. They are my opinions, take them or leave them. I don't care.
DIV
Clearly you do care or you wouldn't have taken umbrage so easily. You make a statement in one breath and then say that what you attest is merely an opinion - which is it?
Many people try and use Deca instead of test (i.e. as a base) whether it's logical or not. Deca should be avoided totally in my view due to it's horrendous suppression and subsequent impact on recovery when therapy is halted. Anyway, I was actually aiming the question about studies at the other guy who made the 6 week comment as I largely agree with what you said - which should be fairly easy to infer from the rest of my original post.
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i knew a powerlifter who was on for 22 YEARS straight, no bullshit.
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was he allright? I take it that he had become dependent on it now?
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was he allright? I take it that he had become dependent on it now?
he has some kidney problems and had to come off completely, he looked like he'd aged twenty years in two weeks.
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Clearly you do care or you wouldn't have taken umbrage so easily. You make a statement in one breath and then say that what you attest is merely an opinion - which is it?
Many people try and use Deca instead of test (i.e. as a base) whether it's logical or not. Deca should be avoided totally in my view due to it's horrendous suppression and subsequent impact on recovery when therapy is halted. Anyway, I was actually aiming the question about studies at the other guy who made the 6 week comment as I largely agree with what you said - which should be fairly easy to infer from the rest of my original post.
I care because I'm trying to help, but sometimes people really are ignorant. It would help if they learned the basics on their own.
Obviously I don't agree on Deca. It's suppressive, but not to the point that it should be excluded from all cycles. Good PCT can clear up any progesterone issues that linger....
DIV
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I care because I'm trying to help, but sometimes people really are ignorant. It would help if they learned the basics on their own.
Obviously I don't agree on Deca. It's suppressive, but not to the point that it should be excluded from all cycles. Good PCT can clear up any progesterone issues that linger....
DIV
Well it's good that you do care so no need to say you don't. Totally agree that the basics should be researched but unfortunately too many young guys will just take whatever is given to them. I have questioned lads in the gym about what they are taking and sometimes I am amazed to hear that they don't even know the name of the product, they just say "I got some pink tablets" or similar. It's shocking.
Yes, my views on Deca are different to most but I stick by my assertion that it is a nasty substance and I generally try and steer people away from it. PCT can work nicely but I feel that the progesterone derived sides should be avoided completely.
I like to think I am not ignorant in this area - perhaps not as knowledgable as I was in days of yore when my cheese flowed like wine, but able to offer basic and safe advice nonetheless.
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Well it's good that you do care so no need to say you don't. Totally agree that the basics should be researched but unfortunately too many young guys will just take whatever is given to them. I have questioned lads in the gym about what they are taking and sometimes I am amazed to hear that they don't even know the name of the product, they just say "I got some pink tablets" or similar. It's shocking.
Yes, my views on Deca are different to most but I stick by my assertion that it is a nasty substance and I generally try and steer people away from it. PCT can work nicely but I feel that the progesterone derived sides should be avoided completely.
I like to think I am not ignorant in this area - perhaps not as knowledgable as I was in days of yore when my cheese flowed like wine, but able to offer basic and safe advice nonetheless.
I'm open to differing opinions, AnalDiss.
We can agree to disagree.
Of course depending on genetic predisposition your opinion of one drug might be radically different than mine.
That much is certain.
DIV