whats the longest someone has been on test and how long can you stay on it?

[Arnold jr]

OK im not getting the answer to what im asking.do people that stay on test for awhile do they seem to depend on it?

Yes, some stay on year round. If you do this you will "depend on it."

If you're older and your test levels are low, staying on year round by means of HRT is not a bad thing, actually one of the best things you can do in this case.

[ZEEK]

i guess it can be a good thing then.thats the answer i was thinking of thanks arnold

[muscle19]

like said before, everyone is diff. when it comes to how ur body will respond and react to lengthy test doses, look at hrt, its ok, but i wouldnt want to saty on all the time to be honest. i like satying on for 4-6 months and taking or trying to saty off at least = to the time on.


muscle

[scooter]

look i just started takinvg test a year ago andtook it ffor 10 wks my 1st time and it worked for 10 weeks not 6 so saying you need to switch every 6 wks cannot be true but i would like to read where you get your info

[ZEEK]

i would say d-bol isnt anadrol more toxic

[ZEEK]

maybe 6 weeks if im lucky

[SLYY]

How long do you think you'll make steady gains on that d-bol?

People use d-bol for six weeks because of liver toxicity....

Show us some proof bro

[SLYY]

Oh really? Good thing test doesn't go through your liver huh? Year round test would hurt it bad. I'm not sure pros care about how toxic d-bol is. If it worked more than 6 weeks, it would be done more than 6 weeks, trust me.

I am not doubting that people use d-bol for more than 6 weeks.  What I am saying is that the reason the rule of thumb when using d-bol is 6 weeks, is liver toxicity.  And yes, it is great that test does not go through ur liver.

But, we are all interested in your proof on why people should switch their test up every six weeks?  You have that proof yet?

[DIVISION]

lol  my point is d-bol will not work if used over 6 weeks at a time. All the pros I've talked to about it say they switch to anadrol for 2 weeks to get over the stubborn ole body building that resistance/adapting to that type of drug. oops another idea that's wrong for getbig, my bad.

It's dependant on genetic predisposition.  It's not a black and white issue, ARMZ.  Saying that D-bol won't work if used over 6 weeks is the most ignorant thing I've heard........except for that kid that said Testosterone caused him to be depressed. 

What works for one person won't necessarily work for another.

I know alot of people that use D-bol for more than 6 weeks per cycle and do fine.  There are some kids who eat D-bol like candy and bloat up like menstrating women, yet still make gains.

I don't advise it necessarily, but it has been done.




DIV

[Mr.Protein]

Oh really? Good thing test doesn't go through your liver huh? Year round test would hurt it bad.

ARMZ,
Depends on dose - 2 grams a week could curl anyone's toes if used long enough.
I go to a VERY conservative MD who won't even prescribe me Ambien for sleep but will prescribe 300 mgs. of Cyp. every 2 weeks for HRT.
I also see an endocrinologist who reviews bloodwork, ultrasound scans and conducts an exhaustive physical exam regularly.  I'm not talking about some Mexican border script scribbler... this guy is a  board certified pro when it comes to this stuff.  He, too, doesn't think long term use is detrimental to a person's health and well being.
I've been waiting for some proof of what you say but since you obviously don't have any reliable references for your beliefs, other than what you see in your pudding, I think I'll continue to take his advice instead of your's.      

[Mr.Protein]

How big is your MD.

Now I'm certain.

[NYCDVR]

Armz look while doses may seem to give a better kick when you have been off for a while to say it stops working after 6 weeks is wrong

I personally have run test same ester for months at time and dbol as well. You will get gains after 6 weeks. Not sure how much simplier to state it have done it no reason to lie

Have you personally tried longer cycles? While it may be ideal to switch everything up every 6 weeks(pros have this luxury) lets be realistic we are not talking whey protein you can not get it at GNC

If you have something and its legit then use it until you run out thats the truth

[Arnold jr]

How big is your MD. Has he ever used? Can he tell you first hand what works? Someone once told me, "Never trust a fat trainer, never trust a skinny chef"

The size of an individual does not always equate to knowledge concerning AAS. I've known some guys who are more knowledgeable then most when it comes to the topic, and I would not necessarily call them freaks of nature. Most of them have quality size, but I know of a few who are nothing to brag about when it comes to size, but even so, their knowledge of AAS is vast.

[DIVISION]

How big is your MD. Has he ever used? Can he tell you first hand what works? Someone once told me, "Never trust a fat trainer, never trust a skinny chef"

^That is one of the most assinine statements I've ever heard.   

There are tons of trainers who know their shit, yet don't have low BF%.  Some are powerlifters.  Some aren't bodybuilders.

If you're going to judge a trainer on how they look soley instead of how their clients look and their feedback you are really selling yourself short. 

A trainer who works 40+ hours per week won't necessarily have time to put in the hours in cardio and lifting that they'd like, not to mention if they are in school. 

Alot of factors.......you can't judge. 

As far as your "skinny chef" comment.  What can I say.  It speaks for itself.   




DIV

[blaster]

Switching it up? What about Sust which has the different compounds in it?

[Blake]

Switching it up? What about Sust which has the different compounds in it?

Eh, ARMZ will probably just say Sustanon can't work because the different esters will counteract each other, rendering it worthless.   

And Division summed up the whole "what a person looks like is directly related to how much knowledge they have" argument very well.

From what I've seen, William Llewellyn doesn't look like a pro bodybuilder, but would anyone question his knowledge of AAS?

[SPRINKFSU]

dont forget its in the pudding statement

[DIVISION]

From what I've seen, William Llewellyn doesn't look like a pro bodybuilder, but would anyone question his knowledge of AAS?

William Llewellyn looks like the average guy, but he knows alot more about AAS pharmacology than your average gym roidmonkey.

Throws that whole "perception is reality" argument out the window.



DIV

[muscle19]

i understand what u all say but i think it looks more prof3essional when a trainer or a nutrionist looks the part, IMO itll bring in more business for them, i used to work for a guy that was very over weight and a trainer and could not get that much work plus his attitude stunk, very unprofessional.

muscle

[ANAL DISCHARGE]

What an amusing thread.  An opportunity for some serious info and yet no-one has posted anything and backed it up.  Where are the links to studies to prove an argument one way or the other?  To base an argument on what an uneducated pro bodybuilder who grows easily and probably has no idea what he is really doing says in ridiculous.  Anecdotally, plenty of guys have responded to test for longer than six weeks.   From observation I do believe that much after 10 weeks is getting into the realms of diminishing returns - based on realtively low (under 1000mg/wk) doses.  No doubt cranking it up to 2-3 grams would work. 

The idea that you have to rotate to another kind of test after 6 weeks defies logic.  What if you go from Sustanon to Suspension?  Blood levels will remain elevated for up to a month after the last shot of sust so does that mean gains will only be seen from the last 2 weeks of the suspension?  As has been said, Test is Test and all you are doing is changing the half life and then the injection frequency is adjusted to compensate - effectively negating any difference.

Deca is nasty whether it be for 6 or 20 weeks and should never replace a good, legitimate test.  Equipose is a product generally considered to be ineffective at anything below 8-10 weeks.

[DIVISION]

i understand what u all say but i think it looks more prof3essional when a trainer or a nutrionist looks the part, IMO itll bring in more business for them, i used to work for a guy that was very over weight and a trainer and could not get that much work plus his attitude stunk, very unprofessional.
muscle

^Sounds good in theory, but at my gym most of the trainers are oveweight and they're booked.  They're so far booked they have lists of people they need to call to schedule training sessions for that are backlogged.  I know this because very soon I will training and I'm not your "ideal" either.  I'm a powerlifter, not a prettyboy bodybuilder type, but I know more than most of the trainers there already.  How do I know?  Because I've seen how they train and I've seen their clients and how they never progress.  It's all about what you know, not what you look like. 

Trust.

What an amusing thread.  An opportunity for some serious info and yet no-one has posted anything and backed it up.  Where are the links to studies to prove an argument one way or the other?  To base an argument on what an uneducated pro bodybuilder who grows easily and probably has no idea what he is really doing says in ridiculous.  Anecdotally, plenty of guys have responded to test for longer than six weeks.   From observation I do believe that much after 10 weeks is getting into the realms of diminishing returns - based on realtively low (under 1000mg/wk) doses.  No doubt cranking it up to 2-3 grams would work. 
The idea that you have to rotate to another kind of test after 6 weeks defies logic.  What if you go from Sustanon to Suspension?  Blood levels will remain elevated for up to a month after the last shot of sust so does that mean gains will only be seen from the last 2 weeks of the suspension?  As has been said, Test is Test and all you are doing is changing the half life and then the injection frequency is adjusted to compensate - effectively negating any difference.
Deca is nasty whether it be for 6 or 20 weeks and should never replace a good, legitimate test.  Equipose is a product generally considered to be ineffective at anything below 8-10 weeks.

^Who said Deca was meant to replace Test?  That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.  Who said that?  Deca is meant to be run in excess of 10-12 weeks, for long durations because its mechanism of action is so slow. 

I don't have time to post studies up back up my opinions.  They are my opinions, take them or leave them.  I don't care.



DIV

[musclestang]

sprinkfsu, the answer to your questions are dose and age dependant.  some men over 40 can stay on 250mg test for the rest of their lives with no problems.  if your talking like 750mg a week or more then its a matter of time, if your young then you risk completly shutting your natty test down for life by not cycling off.  you can stay on as long as you like by switiching compounds but you will be making the sides worse on your body even with all of the precautions.  most pro's have been on for 20 years and when they say they go off usually they are still using 250mg or 500mg test a week because their natty test levels are almost non existant. they call this idling.  so you can stay on forever and run the health risks or cycle on/off and minimize the risk.  it's your call, i have a friend who has been on for 5 years straight without a break and never once seen a doctor.  he looks great but who knows what the damage is inside.  this guy takes like 1g test, 600mg tren, 500mg deca a week, 150mg anadrol a day and 10ius GH.  and this is not the highest he goes on dosages, actually this a low dose cycle for him right now.  again though who knows what's goin on inside him

[BIG_O]

Very amusing thread. Took a while to read.

I was on a full cycle with test to the hilt for 14 months back in 1996 or 1997 somewhere in there. Had regular bloodwork and nothing what so ever out of the ordinary at all. Nothing.

Post cycle was fun though.

Now am I recommending someone do this? No. Just answering the original question.

The point is that at this time my body really, really grew. I take this year or so as the foundation where I am today. I never swtiched esters at all. Test Cypionate was ran the whole time.

Oh ARMZ.....

If I were you I'd stick with reading and not posting. You haven't a clue what these compounds do front, back and center in your body when administered. Not a clue. If you think that a person has to be big to be smart you are so wrong. Rule of thumb usually goes the bigger you are the dumber you are in this game.

Of course there are exceptions.......

[DIVISION]

Very amusing thread. Took a while to read.
I was on a full cycle with test to the hilt for 14 months back in 1996 or 1997 somewhere in there. Had regular bloodwork and nothing what so ever out of the ordinary at all. Nothing.
Post cycle was fun though.
Now am I recommending someone do this? No. Just answering the original question.
The point is that at this time my body really, really grew. I take this year or so as the foundation where I am today. I never swtiched esters at all. Test Cypionate was ran the whole time.

I was pondering this type of longterm cycle for the exact same reason you did.  My thinking was that moderate-high doses for an extended period would build up so much quality mass simply by accumulation that regardless of how well your PCT went you would still keep a significant amount of gains, so long as you kept lifting regularly.  That would see to hold true.

What % of your gains did you keep, by your estimation?  Did you lose more size or strength?  What did you do for PCT after that year long cycle?

I'm curious to see this.  I'm thinking of going on for a year or so.....just for peak gains, for the experience itself, taking all the necesssary precautions of course.




DIV

[BIG_O]

You don't give us the full scoop? Thank God!!

Read your posts again on this thread. Just yours.

Maybe you are just having a "bad post day."

Wishful thinking on my part......

You were right about one thing though......

AHH.. I don't know anything huh.

See. You were right......