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Arnold calls out Jim Manion/IFBB judges & lets his feelings be known about the current state of bodybuilding.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1052393161443250
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Brilliantly said by Arnold, hopefully the IFBB take note and the likes of branch etc dont get rewarded and are essentially outcast.
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Arnold is about 15 years to late ::)
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Even if it is late, they need to start making changes it's just getting worse and worse
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Even if it is late, they need to start making changes it's just getting worse and worse
Look at the stomachs , I agree. Arnold was known for his wide waist and it's nonexistent when he turns to the side that's how it should be
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Arnold is about 15 years to late ::)
Yes, but its getting consistently worse. Plus, at least Ronnie dominated everywhere else. I am not excusing his gut, just saying that bodybuilders today have SO many flaws, including a big gut.
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It's about time.
I agree... Arnold should've said something about this a long time ago.
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Bob Chick squirming in his chair. People on here have been saying the Judging sucks at these things for years. And Bob would come on and tell everyone how stupid they were and didn't understand bodybuilding. Bob should have told Arnold there that he didn't agree, and that Arnold didn't understand bodybuilding...
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Yes, but its getting consistently worse. Plus, at least Ronnie dominated everywhere else. I am not excusing his gut, just saying that bodybuilders today have SO many flaws, including a big gut.
I don't think it's getting worse , I think it's been like this for a long time. Hell Dorian had a guy and a physique that people wouldn't aspire to. That's why I always say if bodybuilding contests were fixed this guy would be 10X Mr Olympia
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I don't think it's getting worse , I think it's been like this for a long time. Hell Dorian had a guy and a physique that people wouldn't aspire to. That's why I always say if bodybuilding contests were fixed this guy would be 10X Mr Olympia
True...Arnold did call out Dorian before and basically said he didn't like the look Dorian had. Basically saying Dorian destroyed bodybuilding...
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I don't think it's getting worse , I think it's been like this for a long time. Hell Dorian had a guy and a physique that people wouldn't aspire to. That's why I always say if bodybuilding contests were fixed this guy would be 10X Mr Olympia
You dont think that more competitors now have a gut, compared to guys in the early 2000s and 90's?
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True...Arnold did call out Dorian before and basically said he didn't like the look Dorian had. Basically saying Dorian destroyed bodybuilding...
He actually didn't , that's not what that spat was about. I'm sure he felt that way but that's not what he said.
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Yes, but its getting consistently worse. Plus, at least Ronnie dominated everywhere else. I am not excusing his gut, just saying that bodybuilders today have SO many flaws, including a big gut.
Exactly. Even when he became distended & gut heavy, Coleman still had the biggest and best arms, pecs, back and V-taper in the entire line up.
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Exactly. Even when he became distended & gut heavy, Coleman still had the biggest and best arms, pecs, back and V-taper in the entire line up.
Yes! Sure, coleman had a gut at times, but damn, every other body part was just insanely good. As stated, not excusing his gut, but its slightly more acceptable. The guys now are just a mess.
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Arnold is right, this is what its about
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/31712/52222/d/img_41781425776344.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/31712/52222/d/img_41861425776344.jpg)
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Very well said and spot on.... 110% agree... The Oak speaks the truth...
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100% right. Arnold is awesome
it's true.. that abomination Branch should never beat Cedric
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Yes! Sure, coleman had a gut at times, but damn, every other body part was just insanely good. As stated, not excusing his gut, but its slightly more acceptable. The guys now are just a mess.
This was supposed to represent the pinnacle of the human body :-\
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(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2007/news/jimmanion.jpg)
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Even if it is late, they need to start making changes it's just getting worse and worse
Start making changes... or what? You will leave bodybuilding? Boycott the sport? Cease going to expos? Sell your library of muscle videos and magazines? Stop paying attention to muscle men in thongs? You're not going anywhere. If you (and everyone else who is complaining) had any standards... you would have left a long time ago. ::)
It's about time.
I agree... Arnold should've said something about this a long time ago.
Too late.
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Always trying to make lemonade when I'm given a bag of lemons in life- look at that left arm. Hanging relaxed at his side, it's very close to literally being bigger than his head. The vascularity? The stuff of nightmares.
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This was supposed to represent the pinnacle of the human body :-\
I do not know why you keep arguing with me. I am not disagreeing with you. What I am saying is that bodybuilders now have horrible guts plus they are lacking in a lot of things. Yes, ronnie had a gut, but he also had an insanely good back, chest, arms, legs, etc. Compare that to someone like Roelly Winkaar who has a guy and so many other flaws. It jsut makes him look even worse.
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Arnold calls out Jim Manion/IFBB judges & lets his feelings be known about the current state of bodybuilding.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1052393161443250
BEST VIDEO AND SPEACH OF 2015!!!!!!
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True...Arnold did call out Dorian before and basically said he didn't like the look Dorian had. Basically saying Dorian destroyed bodybuilding...
Dorian didn't destroy Bodybuilding.
The Judges Did.
Dorian couldn't award himself 1st place.
Neither could Ronnie.
They were competitors & The Judges Rewarded Them.
It's the judging & judges that are at fault & to blame.
Reward one man with striated glutes & then every other competitor wants to achieve that look.
When the judges rewarded the biggest bloated Gut carrying BodyBuilders it set the standard.
Now we have this abomination of Physique's winning Everywhere.
Let's hope manion & the judges are listing to Arnold.
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thats true ^^
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Dorian didn't destroy Bodybuilding.
The Judges Did.
Dorian couldn't award himself 1st place.
Neither could Ronnie.
They were competitors & The Judges Rewarded Them.
It's the judging & judges that are at fault & to blame.
Reward one man with striated glutes & then every other competitor wants to achieve that look.
When the judges rewarded the biggest bloated Gut carrying BodyBuilders it set the standard.
Now we have this abomination of Physique's winning Everywhere.
Let's hope manion & the judges are listing to Arnold.
Exactly, which competitor is going to say, "nope, I am going to reject a first place prize and a check for 150,000 because I have a gut."
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100% says it all....
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Commentator: "Oh and this guy is 280lbs! 5'7 ladies and gentleman! 5'7 and 280!! Isn't this amazing?! Can you imagine?!"
- they are trying to impress people with size....
- if someone comes in all dialed in with shape and nice v taper then it's "too small he looks like he could add more size" (yes to the gut you dumb fuck)
- "hamstrings and glutes not shredded" - the winner....
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flat as a pancake pecs and huge gut, arnold must feel pissed rewarding raymond
t100% says it all....
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The only way Bodybuilders are going to change if they start using the drugs and diuretics as the guys from 80's and 90's did .
I'm laughing as I read the comments "oh yeah I agree with Arnold", "oh yea he's 100% right" etc ....
Yet no one mentions the drugs that causes the turtle shell shaped gut.
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH
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The Oak used the very best example of what a superb male physique should be.
Steve Reeves.
About time.
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If Bodybuilding once represented art, modern bodybuilding represents graffiti.
Branch is nothing more than a modern day Tim Belknap, yet he places high whilst Tim never did. Bodybuilding lost its way and its to late, no one wants to look like the walking side effects of today. Props to dexter for winning at least he resembles the former not the latter, yet every olympia he's told he's not big enough. Sport sucks.
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If Bodybuilding once represented art, modern bodybuilding represents graffiti.
Wonderfully stated. No...Make that "illustrated" for your words capture the essence of what was once beautifully right and now sadly and perversely wrong.
Well done, sir.
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The Oak used the very best example of what a superb male physique should be.
Steve Reeves.
About time.
X1000000000000000000
Best physiques ever, Reeves, Schwarzenegger, Park, Zane, Nubret, Bannout.
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100% right. Arnold is awesome
it's true.. that abomination Branch should never beat Cedric
You know it.
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Arnold is right, this is what its about
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/31712/52222/d/img_41781425776344.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/31712/52222/d/img_41861425776344.jpg)
And he said he was upset that Cedric did not win.
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better late than never
but agree this is not a new problem
milos talked about the judging problem for years
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Cedric finishing 4th is a fucking travesty.
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Cedric finishing 4th is a fucking travesty.
No doubt and and Arnold sees it the same way.
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Dorian was just TOO freaky not to acknowledge in 1993. Sure, they could have gone with Lee Labrada, or Flex Wheeler (who was slightly soft), or even Shawn Ray, but in 1993, Dorian was in a league of his own. Size (with quality) had NEVER been seen like that before and the backlash of having ignored it, would have been to great.
That said, 1996 and 1997 was unrealistic and there's an argument to be made that while Dorian was still in incredible shape and condition in 1994 and 1995, he was missing a bicep, but then again, one can look at Columbo in 1981 and Dickerson in 1982.
Dorian didn't destroy Bodybuilding.
The Judges Did.
Dorian couldn't award himself 1st place.
Neither could Ronnie.
They were competitors & The Judges Rewarded Them.
It's the judging & judges that are at fault & to blame.
Reward one man with striated glutes & then every other competitor wants to achieve that look.
When the judges rewarded the biggest bloated Gut carrying BodyBuilders it set the standard.
Now we have this abomination of Physique's winning Everywhere.
Let's hope manion & the judges are listing to Arnold.
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I hope branch wins next year or places high at the O to piss off everyone
I love it!!
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Arnold calls out Jim Manion/IFBB judges & lets his feelings be known about the current state of bodybuilding.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1052393161443250
So, Arnold's giving credit to Steve Reeves physique from back in the day, YET Arnold emulated Reg Park's physique instead? I'm pretty sure Arnold was a HUGE fan of Reg and not Steve.
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It's about time.
I agree... Arnold should've said something about this a long time ago.
He finally got fed up.
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To the douchebag that keeps yelling "amen" "yeah" during the middle/end of tht vid, what a tool ::)
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To the douchebag that keeps yelling "amen" "yeah" during the middle/end of tht vid, what a tool ::)
I'm pretty sure that was the camera man
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Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed.
Instead of congratulations, they have resentment.
He criticized todays bb... he cant maintain to stay in shape himself. Maybe him and his morbidly obese son know whats best for bb? Lmao....
Bb is fine. The people upset dont compete, or do on low levels and cant win. So they get mad. Arnold said the crowd isnt happy. If cedric won there still would be upset fans. Its not bb, just the arnold dick riders....
Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice. The show would be there just with a different name....
Question, who did people flock to see more, dlb, piana, or arnold??
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Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed.
Instead of congratulations, they have resentment.
He criticized todays bb... he cant maintain to stay in shape himself. Maybe him and his morbidly obese son know whats best for bb? Lmao....
Bb is fine. The people upset dont compete, or do on low levels and cant win. So they get mad. Arnold said the crowd isnt happy. If cedric won there still would be upset fans. Its not bb, just the arnold dick riders....
Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice. The show woul be there just with a different name....
Question, who did people flick to see more, dlb, piana, or arnold??
100% Wrong.
No other show compares to the Arnold Classic.
At no other show do crowds of people want to shake hands with the promotor
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The Oak used the very best example of what a superb male physique should be.
Steve Reeves.
About time.
Sorry but one thing is to go to the beach and say hey that's a beautiful body " and another to go to a professional bodybuilding contest and say the same.......
I know what you did there Arnold, if you want to give a more honest example use Serge Nubret Bob Paris or Sergio Olivas physique next time.
Wooosshhhhhhh Ego music is all about me " .
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Judges reward conditionned mass, that's why Branch gets good placing.
Benfatto would not even place today.
(http://i40.servimg.com/u/f40/09/00/37/88/sly_c277.jpg)
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Dorian didn't destroy Bodybuilding.
The Judges Did.
Dorian couldn't award himself 1st place.
Neither could Ronnie.
They were competitors & The Judges Rewarded Them.
It's the judging & judges that are at fault & to blame.
Reward one man with striated glutes & then every other competitor wants to achieve that look.
When the judges rewarded the biggest bloated Gut carrying BodyBuilders it set the standard.
Now we have this abomination of Physique's winning Everywhere.
Let's hope manion & the judges are listing to Arnold.
Agree, Think it's probably too late, can't unring that bell.
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Sorry but one thing is to go to the beach and say hey that's a beautiful body " and another to go to a professional bodybuilding contest and say the same.......
I know what you did there Arnold, if you want to give a more honest example use Serge Nubret Bob Paris or Sergio Olivas physique next time.
Wooosshhhhhhh Ego music is all about me " .
If he were to name those names... those legends..
He would also have to call out the names of the guys today that stand in stark contrast to those former greats.... guys like Branch Warren and Jose Raymond
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Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed.
Instead of congratulations, they have resentment.
He criticized todays bb... he cant maintain to stay in shape himself. Maybe him and his morbidly obese son know whats best for bb? Lmao....
Bb is fine. The people upset dont compete, or do on low levels and cant win. So they get mad. Arnold said the crowd isnt happy. If cedric won there still would be upset fans. Its not bb, just the arnold dick riders....
Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice. The show would be there just with a different name....
Question, who did people flock to see more, dlb, piana, or arnold??
Musclemania today is what bodybuilding should be.
As far as DLB, Piana...they represent the epitome of today's attention starved populace. You mentioned Piana. He competed yet failed...and after that he allegedly went the PMMA route. Got tons of tats, and reinvented himself into some "hardcore icon"---he is a poser. He is not hardcore, but wants the image.
DLB won her contest with less than stellar legs---genetically flawed. Yet, her and her husband have made a killing on social media.
Arnold is what got many of us into bodybuilding. Arnold has far more influence on today's bodybuilding than DLB or Piana. Neither one of those should be in the same sentence as Arnold.
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Is that bob chick up there with him?
I notice for once he keeps his mouth shut and has the common sense not to chime in when someone else is speaking
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Is that bob chick up there with him?
I notice for once he keeps his mouth shut and has the common sense not to chime in when someone else is speaking
Arnold publicly stepped on Jim Manion's toes... and Chick got to witness it, up close & personal. ;D
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Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed.
Instead of congratulations, they have resentment.
He criticized todays bb... he cant maintain to stay in shape himself. Maybe him and his morbidly obese son know whats best for bb? Lmao....
Bb is fine. The people upset dont compete, or do on low levels and cant win. So they get mad. Arnold said the crowd isnt happy. If cedric won there still would be upset fans. Its not bb, just the arnold dick riders....
Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice. The show would be there just with a different name....
Question, who did people flock to see more, dlb, piana, or arnold??
What did Ed Coan say?
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If he were to name those names... those legends..
He would also have to call out the names of the guys today that stand in stark contrast to those former greats.... guys like Branch Warren and Jose Raymond
Hmmmmmmm , not really..... Arnold is just being smarter than most ,while modern bodybuilding suggest that Arnold wasn't good/big enough to beat Ronnie in his prime... Arnold says the "ideal physique" is Steve Reeve's someone who was way smaller than him.
1- Bob Paris was a better bodybuilder than Steve Reeves .
2- Serge and Sergio if not bigger were more aesthetic,with smaller waist and more balanced than Arnold.... are you with me ?
WoooSSSHHHHHH Arnold music
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So, who is it that has the power at the Arnold to change who the judges are, or to change how they judge?
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Hmmmmmmm , not really..... Arnold is just being smarter than most ,while modern bodybuilding suggest that Arnold wasn't good/big enough to beat Ronnie in his prime... Arnold says the "ideal physique" is Steve Reeve's someone who was way smaller than him.
1- Bob Paris was a better bodybuilder than Steve Reeves .
2- Serge and Sergio if not bigger were more aesthetic,with smaller waist and more balanced than Arnold.... are you with me ?
WoooSSSHHHHHH Arnold music
I hear you. But all of those guys that you mentioned are in the same boat... top guys, good genetics, legends.
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Hmmmmmmm , not really..... Arnold is just being smarter than most ,while modern bodybuilding suggest that Arnold wasn't good/big enough to beat Ronnie in his prime... Arnold says the "ideal physique" is Steve Reeve's someone who was way smaller than him.
1- Bob Paris was a better bodybuilder than Steve Reeves .
2- Serge and Sergio if not bigger were more aesthetic,with smaller waist and more balanced than Arnold.... are you with me ?
WoooSSSHHHHHH Arnold music
PARIS was an incredible bber,,but at least in his day he best'bigger'guy one,who had the best frame/structure/waistline to hang muscle'haney'
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Judges reward conditionned mass, that's why Branch gets good placing.
Benfatto would not even place today.
(http://i40.servimg.com/u/f40/09/00/37/88/sly_c277.jpg)
Branch shouldn't even place last, let alone even be aloud to walk on stage. Big gut, torn muscles, atrophied forearms. He's a fucking mess. The antithesis of what bodybuilding should be about. When Branch was at the national level, he actually looked good. But he ruined himself like the rest of them.
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Branch shouldn't even place last, let alone even be aloud to walk on stage. Big gut, torn muscles, atrophied forearms. He's a fucking mess. The antithesis of what bodybuilding should be about. When Branch was at the national level, he actually looked good. But he ruined himself like the rest of them.
And yet he refuses to walk away from the "sport"
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I think that guys like Branch are motivated to surpass Yates & Coleman
But Yates always had a V-Taper
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I think that guys like Branch are motivated to surpass Yates & Coleman
But Yates always had a V-Taper
HIS PRECONTEST LOOK WAS NUTS..
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Musclemania today is what bodybuilding should be.
As far as DLB, Piana...they represent the epitome of today's attention starved populace. You mentioned Piana. He competed yet failed...and after that he allegedly went the PMMA route. Got tons of tats, and reinvented himself into some "hardcore icon"---he is a poser. He is not hardcore, but wants the image.
DLB won her contest with less than stellar legs---genetically flawed. Yet, her and her husband have made a killing on social media.
Arnold is what got many of us into bodybuilding. Arnold has far more influence on today's bodybuilding than DLB or Piana. Neither one of those should be in the same sentence as Arnold.
To put them in the same sentence as Arnold is blasphemy.
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Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed.
Instead of congratulations, they have resentment.
He criticized todays bb... he cant maintain to stay in shape himself. Maybe him and his morbidly obese son know whats best for bb? Lmao....
Bb is fine. The people upset dont compete, or do on low levels and cant win. So they get mad. Arnold said the crowd isnt happy. If cedric won there still would be upset fans. Its not bb, just the arnold dick riders....
Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice. The show would be there just with a different name....
Question, who did people flock to see more, dlb, piana, or arnold??
agree 100% except the last paragraph. DLB, Piana or Arnold?? Are you nuts? Arnold could/should sue you for defamation. Not knocking DLB or Piana, but Arnold is another level.
Had Cedric took 2nd & Branch 4th, there'd be more outrage from the fans who buy tickets & go to shows. They're the one's that matter, not the clowns on here who live on their keyboards & criticize regardless lol.
I'd rather look like Cedric than Branch, but Branch was better that night. The same way I'd rather look like Flex, Shawn or Kevin instead of Dorian but 4 of his 6 titles, he was by far the better bodybuilder on the stage.
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agree 100% except the last paragraph. DLB, Piana or Arnold?? Are you nuts? Arnold could/should sue you for defamation. Not knocking DLB or Piana, but Arnold is another level.
Had Cedric took 2nd & Branch 4th, there'd be more outrage from the fans who buy tickets & go to shows. They're the one's that matter, not the clowns on here who live on their keyboards & criticize regardless lol.
I'd rather look like Cedric than Branch, but Branch was better that night. The same way I'd rather look like Flex, Shawn or Kevin instead of Dorian but 4 of his 6 titles, he was by far the better bodybuilder on the stage.
I pretty much had the order placings in line with what happened ,except I did not place branch IN TOP 5 LOL,,,i knew he would be there...
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this is the peak, it all went downhill from here starting with Ronnie from these years on. The gut should never be sacrificed for the rest to be bigger.
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I pretty much had the order placings in line with what happened ,except I did not place branch IN TOP 5 LOL,,,i knew he would be there...
Yes!!! You did. It's like Branch has 9 lives, I knew he'd be in the top 5 but never thought he'd look that good.
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agree 100% except the last paragraph. DLB, Piana or Arnold?? Are you nuts? Arnold could/should sue you for defamation. Not knocking DLB or Piana, but Arnold is another level.
Had Cedric took 2nd & Branch 4th, there'd be more outrage from the fans who buy tickets & go to shows. They're the one's that matter, not the clowns on here who live on their keyboards & criticize regardless lol.
I'd rather look like Cedric than Branch, but Branch was better that night. The same way I'd rather look like Flex, Shawn or Kevin instead of Dorian but 4 of his 6 titles, he was by far the better bodybuilder on the stage.
I don't think that if Cedric was 2nd and Branch fourth that the fans would have been upset.
And I don't really see the "conditioning" that Branch brings. He lacks that high detailed, striated look. the only real striations that you may see are in a portion of his quads, and possibly hams and glutes. He looks like an over cooked piece of chicken. And his back is atrocious. He is missing forearms. His quads lack top to bottom separation. And he has a gut. Overall, his physique is in shambles. And they reward him for that. Which creates this delusion in his head that he belongs at the top.
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2 mr o's at the classic
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this is the peak, it all went downhill from here starting with Ronnie from these years on. The gut should never be sacrificed for the rest to be bigger.
Ronnie had a naturally small waist and hip structure. IMO, that's why he has the hip problems. The drugs allowed him to lift weights way too big for his frame.
(http://pumpingbody.net/static/images/normal/000/001/a14482f39860ea50724ad7ea33ca5366.jpg)
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Ronnie had a naturally small waist and hip structure. IMO, that's why he has the hip problems. The drugs allowed him to lift weights way too big for his frame.
(http://pumpingbody.net/static/images/normal/000/001/a14482f39860ea50724ad7ea33ca5366.jpg)
He said the hip problems run in the family. His dad had his hips replaced as well. I also do suspect what you say as well. But, why would he be ok'd to train legs again?
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Ronnie had a naturally small waist and hip structure. IMO, that's why he has the hip problems. The drugs allowed him to lift weights way too big for his frame.
(http://pumpingbody.net/static/images/normal/000/001/a14482f39860ea50724ad7ea33ca5366.jpg)
Ronnie , like Flex was a natural ectomorph and once they pack on weight they tend to look like cartoons. His waist & hips were non-existent , to bad he blew his structure out along with his gut
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Most followers of modern bodybuilding support the current look as they themselves have structures that couldnt survive in previous eras and the mentality of the current crop isnt to train weak bodyparts 3 x per week its to take more mgs and ius. The sport still requires genetics, but the most important part of that genetic scope, is the genetic response to drugs and the ability to survive the high dosages required without side effects. They can have their sport.
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Ronnie , like Flex was a natural ectomorph and once they pack on weight they tend to look like cartoons. His waist & hips were non-existent , to bad he blew his structure out along with his gut
He looks pretty amazing there.
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this is the peak, it all went downhill from here starting with Ronnie from these years on. The gut should never be sacrificed for the rest to be bigger.
That's all that needs to be said.
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Arnold is king. Always spoke his mind on the guts already in the nineties
Getbig is honest and calls it like it is since way back
Modern bb is shyte. All time low
Bob Chic, bb.com and the judges are full of it. Look how awkward it became when Arnold mentions the elephant in the room! Lol.
Political correctness in bb is:
Cant mention guts
Cant mention drugs
Cant mention supplements are shit
Cant mention that they dont look good anymore
Front line puppets like Larry Pepe and godawful Norton won't have it. They pretend bb is evolving
Bb is spinning in circles in the toilet bowl. It's time to start over
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Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed.
Instead of congratulations, they have resentment.
He criticized todays bb... he cant maintain to stay in shape himself. Maybe him and his morbidly obese son know whats best for bb? Lmao....
Bb is fine. The people upset dont compete, or do on low levels and cant win. So they get mad. Arnold said the crowd isnt happy. If cedric won there still would be upset fans. Its not bb, just the arnold dick riders....
Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice. The show would be there just with a different name....
Question, who did people flock to see more, dlb, piana, or arnold??
Holy shit you're an idiot.
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Holy shit you're an idiot.
Notice he says "dick rider". This surely is a bb.com youngster brainwashed with kai greene videos and on a mission to clear his modern bb idols names.
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Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed.
Instead of congratulations, they have resentment.
He criticized todays bb... he cant maintain to stay in shape himself. Maybe him and his morbidly obese son know whats best for bb? Lmao....
Bb is fine. The people upset dont compete, or do on low levels and cant win. So they get mad. Arnold said the crowd isnt happy. If cedric won there still would be upset fans. Its not bb, just the arnold dick riders....
Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice. The show would be there just with a different name....
Question, who did people flock to see more, dlb, piana, or arnold??
lol at you actually believing that arnold resents those who have "eclipsed" him in bodybuilding. I am sure he resents them so much, with his few hundred million dollars. lol
lol at bodybuilding is fine.
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lol at you actually believing that arnold resents those who have "eclipsed" him in bodybuilding. I am sure he resents them so much, with his few hundred million dollars. lol
lol at bodybuilding is fine.
Even today, if you approached random people on the street and asked them to name a bodybuilder, IMO, the most common answer you'd get is "Arnold Schwarzenegger."
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Even today, if you approached random people on the street and asked them to name a bodybuilder, IMO, the most common answer you'd get is "Arnold Schwarzenegger."
How many people know who Arnold is? Probably billions.
How many people know who Ronnie Coleman is? Probably thousands.
lol
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james jenkins
You mention rich piana in the context of aesthetics in an effort to discredit Arnold.
Nothing you say makes sense.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!
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exactly! Funny how irrelevant arnold sells more bodybuilding magazines than any other when he's on the front, funny how irrelevant arnold hosts the biggest bodybuilding show every year where thousands of people flock to try and get a glimpse of him like puppy dogs with their tongues hanging out.
And I'd love to know who in bodybuilding has "eclipsed him" holding an extra olympia or 2 really does that ;D
How many people know who Arnold is? Probably billions.
How many people know who Ronnie Coleman is? Probably thousands.
lol
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How many people know who Arnold is? Probably billions.
How many people know who Ronnie Coleman is? Probably thousands.
lol
what's your point? That's the case with every sport. Do that with boxing & it'd be Tyson or Ali. Football it'd be OJ, Basketball it'd be Jordan. Soccer it'd be Pele. There's usually one person in each sport that achieve more fame & notoriety than everyone else.
Hundred of millions know who Ronnie is. More ppl know him than Tom Brady, Bodybuilding is international & practiced on all 7 continents, NFL isn't.
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what's your point? That's the case with every sport. Do that with boxing & it'd be Tyson or Ali. Football it'd be OJ, Basketball it'd be Jordan. Soccer it'd be Pele. There's usually one person in each sport that achieve more fame & notoriety than everyone else.
Hundred of millions know who Ronnie is. More ppl know him than Tom Brady, bodybuilding is international & practiced on all 7 continents, NFL isn't.
More people know Ronnie Coleman than Tom Brady?
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I don't think that if Cedric was 2nd and Branch fourth that the fans would have been upset.
And I don't really see the "conditioning" that Branch brings. He lacks that high detailed, striated look. the only real striations that you may see are in a portion of his quads, and possibly hams and glutes. He looks like an over cooked piece of chicken. And his back is atrocious. He is missing forearms. His quads lack top to bottom separation. And he has a gut. Overall, his physique is in shambles. And they reward him for that. Which creates this delusion in his head that he belongs at the top.
they would've definitely been upset. Bodybuilding is a subjective, I think a majority of the audience love mass monsters & think they should win every contest. The remainder love a more asthetic physique.
No one said Branch physique is pretty or flawless therefore he deserved 2nd. I think most ppl not on Getbig think he was the 2nd best bodybuilder that night & clearly had Cedric beat. If Cedric was 100%, maybe it would've been different but he wasn't. If we're judging just on asthetics, Beyeke should've bn top 5.
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The 2015 Super Bowl had 115,000,000 viewers worldwide on the FOX television network. The broadcast was translated in 63 languages.
The 2005 Mr Olympia had an estimated 177,000 viewers watch on the internet webcast. It was broadcast in 2 languages.
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More people know Ronnie Coleman than Tom Brady?
Not funny Tw, true. Let me guess, you're an American who haven't traveled much. Look at the headlines outside the US after the Super Bowl. They referred to him as Giselle Bunchem's (sp) husband.
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what's your point? That's the case with every sport. Do that with boxing & it'd be Tyson or Ali. Football it'd be OJ, Basketball it'd be Jordan. Soccer it'd be Pele. There's usually one person in each sport that achieve more fame & notoriety than everyone else.
Hundred of millions know who Ronnie is. More ppl know him than Tom Brady, Bodybuilding is international & practiced on all 7 continents, NFL isn't.
the point is that arnold is still relevant in the bodybuilding industry, and is probably still more relevant than most current competitors.
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Not funny Tw, true. Let me guess, you're an American who haven't traveled much. Look at the headlines outside the US after the Super Bowl. They referred to him as Giselle Bunchem's (sp) husband.
:) I am an American. Regarding travel, I've visited three other continents, Europe, South America and Asia.
Can I prove that Tom Brady is better known than Ronnie Coleman around the world? No. Does my Mom know who Tom Brady is? Yes. Does my Mom know who Ronnie Coleman is? No.
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The 2015 Super Bowl had 115,000,000 viewers worldwide on the FOX television network. The broadcast was translated in 63 languages.
The 2005 Mr Olympia had an estimated 177,000 viewers watch on the internet webcast. It was broadcast in 2 languages.
Mr Statistician. The SB outside the USA is like World Cup inside the USA. most Americans can care less about soccer until it's WC time. Just like the rest of the world cares less about American Football except for the SB. There's a large fitness community in Europe, Asia, Africa, South & South America, Australia (maybe not Anartica) that all know who Ronnie Coleman is. Ronnie has been to several countries on every continent & draws huge crowds on each. Asia, Africa, South America & most of Europe don't give a crap about the NFL
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Can I prove that Tom Brady is better known than Ronnie Coleman around the world? No. Does my Mom know who Tom Brady is? Yes. Does my Mom know who Ronnie Coleman is? No.
I'm so sorry bro, your mom, yes, that's proves it. No idea why I didn't think of that or what I was thinking lol.
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LOL@Coleman being more known than Brady...
You sound like the fan boy of fan boys...
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LOL@Coleman being more known than Brady...
You sound like the fan boy of fan boys...
Maybe Ronnie Colemans mom came on here to stick up for him.
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Great post
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the point is that arnold is still relevant in the bodybuilding industry, and is probably still more relevant than most current competitors.
thanks Captain Obvious, how's this different from what I said?
Arnold = bodybuilding
Jordan = Basketball
Ali/Tyson = boxing etc
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thanks Captain Obvious, how's this different from what I said?
Arnold = bodybuilding
Jordan = Basketball
Ali/Tyson = boxing etc
You stupid dingus, my original post about arnold being relevant was addressing JamesJenkisFitness when he said:
Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed. Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice.
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Since it's Arnold's show, couldn't he just ban guys like Piana and Bailey? Would love it if he sent them a letter stating he dosen't want them at his show.
I swear they'd change their ways after. He is that influential.
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Let it go SF. Clearly Rudy has his Sustanon and Anadrol dosages a little too high. All he wants to do is argue. ;)
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Let it go SF. Clearly Rudy has his Sustanon and Anadrol dosages a little too high. All he wants to do is argue. ;)
Maybe he's having a roid rage episode. :D
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You stupid dingus, my original post about arnold being relevant was addressing JamesJenkisFitness when he said:
Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed. Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice.
& I agreed with you, you stupider Dingus by telling him that Arnold is on another lever & again by saying Arnold is bodybuilding.
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Let it go SF. Clearly Rudy has his Sustanon and Anadrol dosages a little too high. All he wants to do is argue. ;)
FU TW, I'm natural, going the Skip Lacour & tyoshi Moody (sp) route :)
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FU TW, I'm natural, going the Skip Lacour & tyoshi Moody (sp) route :)
;D All right nature boy, whatever you say. I'll make sure to tell Mike O'Hearn you're following his all natural program.
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;D All right nature boy, whatever you say. I'll make sure to tell Mike O'Hearn you're following his all natural program.
I bet he is smashing his keyboard while typing to us lol.
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;D All right nature boy, whatever you say. I'll make sure to tell Mike O'Hearn you're following his all natural program.
;D ;D ;D thank you.
I bet he is smashing his keyboard while typing to us lol.
that's a bet you'd lose. I get on GB mostly when I'm bored to waste time & because ppl here aren't gonna agree with everything u say. Not one of those that take this seriously Killa
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Steve Reeves has a place in men's physique
Arnold is commenting on the way he looked in comparison to today's competitors. He is trying to dominate them in some way.
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I don't think it's getting worse , I think it's been like this for a long time. Hell Dorian had a guy and a physique that people wouldn't aspire to. That's why I always say if bodybuilding contests were fixed this guy would be 10X Mr Olympia
sadly, the 1994 olympia was were it all started.
fat gutted one armed watery dorian over near perfect shawn ray..bullshit
that was the first time it was rewarded at the top contest and it hasn't got any better..
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Open class means no limits. If Ahnuld isn't pleased, then he should introduce the classic BB class, which has a weight/length limit.
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Open class means no limits. If Ahnuld isn't pleased, then he should introduce the classic BB class, which has a weight/length limit.
THAT WOULD WORK BUT THEN ANOTHER FEW HRS TACKED ON THE WEEKEND ADDITIONAL..
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sadly, the 1994 olympia was were it all started.
fat gutted one armed watery dorian over near perfect shawn ray..bullshit
that was the first time it was rewarded at the top contest and it hasn't got any better..
Not accurate , as usual. Momo was being awarded contest wins with a huge gut. I know facts aren't your friend but try sticking to them.
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Lee Haney at 249lbs and Ronnie at 244lbs :-\ :-X
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:)
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haney even though most here say his arms were weak had a great fdb pose...and haney even though he used as coleman used ,his face/head was unchanged.
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Seems Arnold is real pissed this time with what he saw at the classic.
He's come up with an idea that include audience participation into helping decide the winner! thoughts on that?
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Seems Arnold is real pissed this time with what he saw at the classic.
He's come up with an idea that include audience participation into helping decide the winner! thoughts on that?
When did he put forth this idea?
If he did, its a horrible idea. Fans will just be as biased. Branch has a big following because of his "hardcore" attitude. Branch is a much more popular bodybuilding than Cedric, so Branch would probably get more votes than him. Not to mention that fans would not vote for someone if they didn't like their personality, no matter how good they looked. Case in point: No matter how good phil heath looks, Id never vote for him to be Mr. O. Putting some of it in the hands of fans would be disastrous.
What needs to happen is a huge overhauling of the judges and the way they rank these bodybuilders. For example, the first thing that should be judged is the stomach. If you have a gut, youre automatically relegated to out of the top 10, no matter how good you look everywhere else. So, if you have a gut but youre ripped, someone who has a flat stomach and is less ripped should be placed ahead.
Roelly Winklaar should have been dead last with his gut, no matter how much better he was than the other competitors.
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A discussion following on from his comments started on reddit and Arnold was quick to join in.
I agree I'm not sure how it would work, it was just an idea he put out there that would also engage the audience.
Not knowing exactly how hed engineer it Im not sure it would help.
I always said Ronnie should have never won despite outstanding body parts or poses, a gut simply shouldn't be present whether only noticeable in transitions or simply just there it should be immediate disqualification. A fat appearance should have never been accepted in any shape or form!
When did he put forth this idea?
If he did, its a horrible idea. Fans will just be as biased. Branch has a big following because of his "hardcore" attitude. Branch is a much more popular bodybuilding than Cedric, so Branch would probably get more votes than him. Not to mention that fans would not vote for someone if they didn't like their personality, no matter how good they looked. Case in point: No matter how good phil heath looks, Id never vote for him to be Mr. O. Putting some of it in the hands of fans would be disastrous.
What needs to happen is a huge overhauling of the judges and the way they rank these bodybuilders. For example, the first thing that should be judged is the stomach. If you have a gut, youre automatically relegated to out of the top 10, no matter how good you look everywhere else. So, if you have a gut but youre ripped, someone who has a flat stomach and is less ripped should be placed ahead.
Roelly Winklaar should have been dead last with his gut, no matter how much better he was than the other competitors.
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Damn, forgot how great Haney was. TotalLee awesome I think he use to say
haney even though most here say his arms were weak had a great fdb pose...and haney even though he used as coleman used ,his face/head was unchanged.
you can't compare anyone to Haney genetically Flex, he just doesn't make sense. I doubt he used like Coleman though. Wasn't as many things available. Haney Retired at 32/33. Ronnie & Dorian didn't win their 1st O until 32/33
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"This is something I'm passionate about - and we can never change it unless all of us speak out.
I have always wanted bodybuilding to be a sport for the masses, but the more the judges reward pure mass at the expense of symmetry and beauty, the more we will limit our appeal to the mainstream.
I want to walk away from a contest and hear the audience saying "I want to look like that." That used to be the case, and it can be the case again if we work together.
I would love to hear your thoughts."
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When did he put forth this idea?
If he did, its a horrible idea. Fans will just be as biased. Branch has a big following because of his "hardcore" attitude. Branch is a much more popular bodybuilding than Cedric, so Branch would probably get more votes than him. Not to mention that fans would not vote for someone if they didn't like their personality, no matter how good they looked. Case in point: No matter how good phil heath looks, Id never vote for him to be Mr. O. Putting some of it in the hands of fans would be disastrous.
wow!! You're not that dumb ;D, very intelligent post ;). A lot of ppl here don't realize that. For Arnold & every fan that's upset about Branch placing 2nd there's about 3, 4 or more who are just as happy he took 2nd or upset he didn't win. Should the judges worry about the 20-30% who are bitching about the glory days or the 70-80% who are there to see mass monsters.
You go to a national show, when the bantams - LHW are onstage, you can sit anywhere, no one wants to see the smaller aesthetic physiques. When the heavy & SHW are on, you can't get a seat. Ppl wanna see monsters.
We talk about Reeves now as being attainable but back then he was a freak. Ppl didn't think that was attainable back then. Same with Arnold.
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they don't need to be bantams though. All the other eras had big bodybuilders without guts. If guts get banned everyone will have to go back to the kind of stacks and drug cocktails that built the physiques of the 70's/80's/90's etc. Cedric is no bantamweight and doesn't have a gut.
wow!! You're not that dumb ;D, very intelligent post ;). A lot of ppl here don't realize that. For Arnold & every fan that's upset about Branch placing 2nd there's about 3, 4 or more who are just as happy he took 2nd or upset he didn't win. Should the judges worry about the 20-30% who are bitching about the glory days or the 70-80% who are there to see mass monsters.
You go to a national show, when the bantams - LHW are onstage, you can sit anywhere, no one wants to see the smaller aesthetic physiques. When the heavy & SHW are on, you can't get a seat. Ppl wanna see monsters.
We talk about Reeves now as being attainable but back then he was a freak. Ppl didn't think that was attainable back then. Same with Arnold.
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"This is something I'm passionate about - and we can never change it unless all of us speak out.
I have always wanted bodybuilding to be a sport for the masses, but the more the judges reward pure mass at the expense of symmetry and beauty, the more we will limit our appeal to the mainstream.
I want to walk away from a contest and hear the audience saying "I want to look like that." That used to be the case, and it can be the case again if we work together.
I would love to hear your thoughts."
I want to look like Big Ramy, now go fuck yourself retarnold :)
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Not accurate , as usual. Momo was being awarded contest wins with a huge gut. I know facts aren't your friend but try sticking to them.
Momo had a huge gut but was still way better than the second place competitor
dorian had a gut but was overshadowed (pun intended) by Shawn
but because of shit judging, and the IFBB's insistance on creating dynasties, he won.
thats the key difference that you overlooked
I'm not surprised.
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Arnold is king. Always spoke his mind on the guts already in the nineties
Getbig is honest and calls it like it is since way back
Modern bb is shyte. All time low
Bob Chic, bb.com and the judges are full of it. Look how awkward it became when Arnold mentions the elephant in the room! Lol.
Political correctness in bb is:
Cant mention guts
Cant mention drugs
Cant mention supplements are shit
Cant mention that they dont look good anymore
Front line puppets like Larry Pepe and godawful Norton won't have it. They pretend bb is evolving
Bb is spinning in circles in the toilet bowl. It's time to start over
AGREE 100% !!!!!
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Seems Arnold is real pissed this time with what he saw at the classic.
He's come up with an idea that include audience participation into helping decide the winner! thoughts on that?
Ban all schmoes.
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Very well said! Arnold.
SOS ＝ Save Our Sport
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Arnolds rant was similar to one of ed coans last month. No one will agree with me. But you know what. Theyre two has beens, that have resentment. What they've done has been eclipsed.
Instead of congratulations, they have resentment.
He criticized todays bb... he cant maintain to stay in shape himself. Maybe him and his morbidly obese son know whats best for bb? Lmao....
Bb is fine. The people upset dont compete, or do on low levels and cant win. So they get mad. Arnold said the crowd isnt happy. If cedric won there still would be upset fans. Its not bb, just the arnold dick riders....
Hes irrelevant... if he stopped showing up, no one would notice. The show would be there just with a different name....
Question, who did people flock to see more, dlb, piana, or arnold??
So who's eclipsed ed coans performance then? Oh that's right, no one
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So who's eclipsed ed coans performance then? Oh that's right, no one
Coan had a long drawn out rant about kabuki going for his deadlift record. And dan greens records. He was confronted by green and several lifters on fb. Apologized and took his comments down.
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Ban all schmoes.
>:( ;D
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;D ;D ;D thank you.
that's a bet you'd lose. I get on GB mostly when I'm bored to waste time & because ppl here aren't gonna agree with everything u say. Not one of those that take this seriously Killa
Your a 20 something year old baby that has no muscle and feel very jealous of all the "old dudes" putting you in your place
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Your a 20 something year old baby that has no muscle and feel very jealous of all the "old dudes" putting you in your place
DUDE RUDY is legit and turned pro 'team universe'i believe,competed for yrs in east coast area ,big dude...
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DUDE RUDY is legit and turned pro 'team universe'i believe,competed for yrs in east coast area ,big dude...
And now who's this anonymous keyboard warrior, calling himself 'forevergloria'?
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And now who's this anonymous keyboard warrior, calling himself 'forevergloria'?
;D
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??? No idea what you talking about sweetie. I use my real name & take ownership of everything I say.
rudy ,,he was talking about the other guy not u,,,lower the creatine dose ;D
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??? No idea what you talking about sweetie. I use my real name & take ownership of everything I say.
Hold on cutie pie, I wasn't talking to you :)
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rudy ,,he was talking about the other guy not u,,,lower the creatine dose ;D
;D.
Hold on cutie pie, I wasn't talking to you :)
My apologies ;). I deleted my post out of respect.
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;D.
My apologies ;). I deleted my post out of respect.
;D
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class act lee..
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This is unacceptable the way bodybuilding is going. We don't want to see biggest, or grainiest man winning shows. We want to see the most beautiful physiques winning shows.
I have my marching orders from Arnold (see video). I have been one of the more vocal ones about this for years amongst many others here. If there's one thing this diverse group of people on this board can agree on, it's that professional bodybuilding for men is a disgrace. It wasn't always like that and it doesn't have to continue to be this way. It's been the running joke on this board for years. The reset button needs to be pressed. The IFBB Rule Book needs to be adhered to regarding judging. The posing round needs to be scored for posing, guts need to go and vacuums need to return. V-tapers need to return, insulin needs to go, tie-ins and striations need to return, sunken faces precontest need to return. The physiques from the late 80s to early 90s need to return. Unless bodybuilding is intentionally being destroyed, there's no reason to keep mens bodybuilding going in the direction has been going. This isn't going to go away, Arnold embarrassed the the hell out of the judges (which they should have been). Please do something to change this and go back to physiques people aspired to have.
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This is unacceptable the way bodybuilding is going. We don't want to see biggest, or grainiest man winning shows. We want to see the most beautiful physiques winning shows.
I have my marching orders from Arnold (see video). I have been one of the more vocal ones about this for years amongst many others here. If there's one thing this diverse group of people on this board can agree on, it's that professional bodybuilding for men is a disgrace. It wasn't always like that and it doesn't have to continue to be this way. It's been the running joke on this board for years. The reset button needs to be pressed. The IFBB Rule Book needs to be adhered to regarding judging. The posing round needs to be scored for posing, guts need to go and vacuums need to return. V-tapers need to return, insulin needs to go, tie-ins and striations need to return, sunken faces precontest need to return. The physiques from the late 80s to early 90s need to return. Unless bodybuilding is intentionally being destroyed, there's no reason to keep mens bodybuilding going in the direction has been going. This isn't going to go away, Arnold embarrassed the the hell out of the judges (which they should have been). Please do something to change this and go back to physiques people aspired to have.
What is bodybuilding if not a freakshow?
You don't like the currently prevailing look, that's on you. Go watch the guys in boardshorts if that gets you off instead. ::)
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What is bodybuilding if not a freakshow?
You don't like the currently prevailing look, that's on you. Go watch the guys in boardshorts if that gets you off instead. ::)
It's a form of art. Go fuck yourself.
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It's a form of art. Go fuck yourself.
Ah, I see you're one of those schmoe's that likes to delude himself into thinking they 'sculpt' their bodies for your aesthetically pleasing wankbank.
How many frame-by-frame plays did it take you to deduct whether or not Kai was fucking the grapefruit in accordance with your ideal geometry?
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This is unacceptable the way bodybuilding is going. We don't want to see biggest, or grainiest man winning shows. We want to see the most beautiful physiques winning shows.
I have my marching orders from Arnold (see video). I have been one of the more vocal ones about this for years amongst many others here. If there's one thing this diverse group of people on this board can agree on, it's that professional bodybuilding for men is a disgrace. It wasn't always like that and it doesn't have to continue to be this way. It's been the running joke on this board for years. The reset button needs to be pressed. The IFBB Rule Book needs to be adhered to regarding judging. The posing round needs to be scored for posing, guts need to go and vacuums need to return. V-tapers need to return, insulin needs to go, tie-ins and striations need to return, sunken faces precontest need to return. The physiques from the late 80s to early 90s need to return. Unless bodybuilding is intentionally being destroyed, there's no reason to keep mens bodybuilding going in the direction has been going. This isn't going to go away, Arnold embarrassed the the hell out of the judges (which they should have been). Please do something to change this and go back to physiques people aspired to have.
You have never competed, never been involved in the industry, never sold supplements, never sold steroids, never got yourself in shape...nothing. You just sit around talking about fucking Hebrews and shit. Why would anyone care what a submarine sandwich eating security guard has to say???
When you share some ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT in the bodybuilding industry then you might have a residue of a say in the conversation.
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What is bodybuilding if not a freakshow?
You don't like the currently prevailing look, that's on you. Go watch the guys in boardshorts if that gets you off instead. ::)
Fagg0t.
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You have never competed, never been involved in the industry, never sold supplements, never sold steroids, never got yourself in shape...nothing. You just sit around talking about fucking Hebrews and shit. Why would anyone care what a submarine sandwich eating security guard has to say???
When you share some ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT in the bodybuilding industry then you might have a residue of a say in the conversation.
L0SER.
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I admire wiggs faith in the future of bodybuilding, but the truth is that the 80's or 90's winning bodies had great genetics to start with and today's mentality is "if you have the money for drugs you win the plastic trophies". Just look at the men's bikini division; they surely use more than a mentzer, a zane, arnold.
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The Mayor must be the next chairman of the IFBB. Howard will judge at the Olympia...
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You have never competed, never been involved in the industry, never sold supplements, never sold steroids, never got yourself in shape...nothing. You just sit around talking about fucking Hebrews and shit. Why would anyone care what a submarine sandwich eating security guard has to say???
When you share some ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT in the bodybuilding industry then you might have a residue of a say in the conversation.
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The first of many shameless bumps for importance.
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The first of many shameless bumps for importance.
Niche "sport" which has always been dependent on illegal drug use now has new drug protocols that are given competitors larger waists.
Yes, very important stuff here.
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Niche "sport" which has always been dependent on illegal drug use now has new drug protocols that are given competitors larger waists.
Yes, very important stuff here.
Yet, you are on an internet message board about it.
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Yet, you are on an internet message board about it.
This board hates pro bodybuilding.
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This board hates pro bodybuilding.
This board hates MODERN pro bodybuilding.
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Wiggs,
According to Vince, you need to take the following steps to be considered as one who has "actual involvement" in the industry:
- step on stage (looking like crap);
- start being used by industry people as a means to pass on news to Getbiggers for free;
- "sell" supplements (and I'm using the word sell EXTREMELY loosely);
- get yourself in shape (say what????);
- and sell roids.
The above has made Vince an uber industry type who transcends bodybuilding and THE unequivocal voice of bodybuilding.
Best,
RagingBull
You have never competed, never been involved in the industry, never sold supplements, never sold steroids, never got yourself in shape...nothing. You just sit around talking about fucking Hebrews and shit. Why would anyone care what a submarine sandwich eating security guard has to say???
When you share some ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT in the bodybuilding industry then you might have a residue of a say in the conversation.
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Why not have someone else choose the judging for the Arnold Classic...Arnold? Start the change right there. I'm guessing there is something in place, with it being an IFBB event. I'm sure it would be possible to say, it's my event...I'll appoint Mr. X to pick the judges. I want the judging based on my criteria, not the standard bloated gut praise from regular shows.
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You have never competed, never been involved in the industry, never sold supplements, never sold steroids, never got yourself in shape...nothing. You just sit around talking about fucking Hebrews and shit. Why would anyone care what a submarine sandwich eating security guard has to say???
When you share some ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT in the bodybuilding industry then you might have a residue of a say in the conversation.
You just described most of the judges and promoters.
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This board hates pro bodybuilding. EVERYTHING
Why not have someone else choose the judging for the Arnold Classic...Arnold? Start the change right there. I'm guessing there is something in place, with it being an IFBB event. I'm sure it would be possible to say, it's my event...I'll appoint Mr. X to pick the judges. I want the judging based on my criteria, not the standard bloated gut praise from regular shows.
How'd that be different?? You'd have more ppl pissed off at the judges. Except for this board, who for the most part has little to no involvement in thè industry except criticizing everything; A majority of fans who actually go to these shows, agrees with the judges & disagree with Arnold. There's no debate that Cedric has a more aesthetic physique than Branch but that day, Branch was a better bodybuilder & deservingly got 2nd. Why would they care that ppl here complaining. Arnold has all rights to voice his opinion, it's his show & he is bodybuilding but this is a subjective sport which means you're gonna have various opinions. BB'ing is a freak show, has been & will always be a freak show. People don't watch football, baseball, basketball, soccer etc to see athletes do something they can do. They wanna see something spectacular. McGuire, Jordan, Tyson made millions being freaks. Ppl didn't look at them & say "I can do that". Just like the main goal at a BBing show isn't to see a physique that you can admire at the beach. It wasn't that way when Arnold was Mr O. He even said that in Pumping Iron, he said ppl can't appreciate his physique cause they don't know what they're looking at.
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It's a form of art. Go fuck yourself.
Milton is anti Jew :D
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This board hates MODERN pro bodybuilding.
Future of BB is in Nigeria ;)
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I admire wiggs faith in the future of bodybuilding, but the truth is that the 80's or 90's winning bodies had great genetics to start with and today's mentality is "if you have the money for drugs you win the plastic trophies". Just look at the men's bikini division; they surely use more than a mentzer, a zane, arnold.
A lot of the guys in men's physique division is guys who couldn't cut it in bbing, I know a handful that transitioned into physique and started doing good and even turning pro. It's a joke as far as competitions go but the bodies is something people can actually attain
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This is unacceptable the way bodybuilding is going. We don't want to see biggest, or grainiest man winning shows. We want to see the most beautiful physiques winning shows.
I have my marching orders from Arnold (see video). I have been one of the more vocal ones about this for years amongst many others here. If there's one thing this diverse group of people on this board can agree on, it's that professional bodybuilding for men is a disgrace. It wasn't always like that and it doesn't have to continue to be this way. It's been the running joke on this board for years. The reset button needs to be pressed. The IFBB Rule Book needs to be adhered to regarding judging. The posing round needs to be scored for posing, guts need to go and vacuums need to return. V-tapers need to return, insulin needs to go, tie-ins and striations need to return, sunken faces precontest need to return. The physiques from the late 80s to early 90s need to return. Unless bodybuilding is intentionally being destroyed, there's no reason to keep mens bodybuilding going in the direction has been going. This isn't going to go away, Arnold embarrassed the the hell out of the judges (which they should have been). Please do something to change this and go back to physiques people aspired to have.
I agree 100% modern BB look like shit and something should be done
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vince is just mad that wiggs is getbig's head hebrew in charge,
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Only people who support modern bodybuilding do it for their own reasons, todays guys rely more on drugs and less on genetics than ever before, that encourages the so many that attempt this sport without the genetics to be successful, they can now progress where they previously couldn't, genetic shape and overall structure should always be part of the judging criteria. There are still good examples of great genetics but those guys are forced into a situation where they have to compete on areas of the criteria like size and condition where drugs play a much greater part.
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If Arnold can't fix this mess it's because it is fixed.
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vince is just mad that wiggs is getbig's head hebrew in charge,
Don't forget that Vincenza is 1/2 of Polish Jew origin ;D
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arnold and dorian on twitter
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^^^and yet Arnold called out Dorians physique for the same reasons
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Thought it funny Yates should say that as he brought a gut to the table.
I thought Arnold just commented on him not stepping up to the Mic and not bringing any personality, nothing about his physique...? He also put down the way they were dressing in "baggy clown pants"
^^^and yet Arnold called out Dorians physique for the same reasons
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Why not have someone else choose the judging for the Arnold Classic...Arnold? Start the change right there. I'm guessing there is something in place, with it being an IFBB event. I'm sure it would be possible to say, it's my event...I'll appoint Mr. X to pick the judges. I want the judging based on my criteria, not the standard bloated gut praise from regular shows.
The promoter doesn't sanction the contest or pick the judges.
The IFBB sanctions the show and they select the judges and the standards they use.
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From James T. Rockell, a former IFBB Judge
"Here's a question I have been dealing with for over 40 years now- Is Bodybuilding a drug sport? Or should the real question be should Bodybuilding continue to be a drug sport? I started lifting weights in college in the late sixties and early seventies because I was a shinny 129 lbs soaking wet at 6 feet one inch cross country and track athlete and really needed to put some muscle on. Well I started lifting and loved the "pump" I got and ended up putting over 100 pounds on my frame in just over a year. Lifting weights was a hobby until Arnold's Pumping Iron and the Frank Zane Olympia wins in the mid seventies prompted myself and a partner to open Samson's Gym. Within a few years I found myself getting the bug for competing and got on stage. I competed without drugs or roids for about five years and then found myself on the judging side of the sport. As a drug free bodybuilder I always had to put my personal feelings aside about the drug use I saw and concentrate on fairly judging what was in front of me without bias.
Since I am no longer a part of the organization I was involved with for all those years and seeing what has been happening lately I felt I should speak up. Arnold was perfectly right in calling out what he saw at his contest in terms of those grotesque midsections. That issue of course wasn't new but certainly was never taken care of. Even more disturbing to me has been the progression of the look of the women athletes in all divisions of the sport. Early on we were asked to implement a 20 per cent rule for reducing hardness. The realty is that worked for one show in favor of Anja Schreiner. Women's Bodybuilding basically became men's body building in disquise. Every women's division from bikini, figure and physique has morphed into things they should never have been and the reality is the drugs. They will continue to get harder and harder unless the drugs are eliminated from the scene. And the men will of course get bigger and bigger but as Arnold remarked at a cost of aesthetics proportion and symmetry which were the hallmarks of bodybuilding.
So the real answer to the question I posed is that drugs really should not be in bodybuilding, baseball, football etc. Genetics, hard training, proper nutrition and personal willpower will always determine the best of the best. From my love of baseball Mickey Mantle's only steroids were the drinks of hard liquor he consumed far too often and they weren't responsible for the power he displayed at the plate to drive a ball 565 feet!! It's easy to allow things to continue to do what they are going to do and I am as guilty as anyone for not saying anything until now. Things need to change and I hope to be a big part of that change."
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no drugs in bodybuilding = no olympia
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No drugs in bodybuilding is like a bunch of ripped swimmers on stage
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No drugs in bodybuilding is like a bunch of ripped swimmers on stage
99% of BB don't swim :D
Inge van Brujin was super pussy :-* :'(
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From James T. Rockell, a former IFBB Judge
"Here's a question I have been dealing with for over 40 years now- Is Bodybuilding a drug sport? Or should the real question be should Bodybuilding continue to be a drug sport? I started lifting weights in college in the late sixties and early seventies because I was a shinny 129 lbs soaking wet at 6 feet one inch cross country and track athlete and really needed to put some muscle on. Well I started lifting and loved the "pump" I got and ended up putting over 100 pounds on my frame in just over a year. Lifting weights was a hobby until Arnold's Pumping Iron and the Frank Zane Olympia wins in the mid seventies prompted myself and a partner to open Samson's Gym. Within a few years I found myself getting the bug for competing and got on stage. I competed without drugs or roids for about five years and then found myself on the judging side of the sport. As a drug free bodybuilder I always had to put my personal feelings aside about the drug use I saw and concentrate on fairly judging what was in front of me without bias.
Since I am no longer a part of the organization I was involved with for all those years and seeing what has been happening lately I felt I should speak up. Arnold was perfectly right in calling out what he saw at his contest in terms of those grotesque midsections. That issue of course wasn't new but certainly was never taken care of. Even more disturbing to me has been the progression of the look of the women athletes in all divisions of the sport. Early on we were asked to implement a 20 per cent rule for reducing hardness. The realty is that worked for one show in favor of Anja Schreiner. Women's Bodybuilding basically became men's body building in disquise. Every women's division from bikini, figure and physique has morphed into things they should never have been and the reality is the drugs. They will continue to get harder and harder unless the drugs are eliminated from the scene. And the men will of course get bigger and bigger but as Arnold remarked at a cost of aesthetics proportion and symmetry which were the hallmarks of bodybuilding.
So the real answer to the question I posed is that drugs really should not be in bodybuilding, baseball, football etc. Genetics, hard training, proper nutrition and personal willpower will always determine the best of the best. From my love of baseball Mickey Mantle's only steroids were the drinks of hard liquor he consumed far too often and they weren't responsible for the power he displayed at the plate to drive a ball 565 feet!! It's easy to allow things to continue to do what they are going to do and I am as guilty as anyone for not saying anything until now. Things need to change and I hope to be a big part of that change."
sounds good,,,but nowadays they don't have sell the image for magazine sales,,today its the supplement industry which needs to cater to the masses now and the 'illusion'you can look this with such and such...