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The first of many shameless bumps for importance.

Niche "sport" which has always been dependent on illegal drug use now has new drug protocols that are given competitors larger waists.

Yes, very important stuff here.
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Niche "sport" which has always been dependent on illegal drug use now has new drug protocols that are given competitors larger waists.

Yes, very important stuff here.

Yet, you are on an internet message board about it.


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Yet, you are on an internet message board about it.




This board hates pro bodybuilding.
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This board hates pro bodybuilding.

This board hates MODERN pro bodybuilding.
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Wiggs,

According to Vince, you need to take the following steps to be considered as one who has "actual involvement" in the industry:

- step on stage (looking like crap);
- start being used by industry people as a means to pass on news to Getbiggers for free;
- "sell" supplements (and I'm using the word sell EXTREMELY loosely);
- get yourself in shape (say what????);
- and sell roids.

The above has made Vince an uber industry type who transcends bodybuilding and THE unequivocal voice of bodybuilding.

Best,

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You have never competed, never been involved in the industry, never sold supplements, never sold steroids, never got yourself in shape...nothing.  You just sit around talking about fucking Hebrews and shit.  Why would anyone care what a submarine sandwich eating security guard has to say???

When you share some ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT in the bodybuilding industry then you might have a residue of a say in the conversation.

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Why not have someone else choose the judging for the Arnold Classic...Arnold?  Start the change right there.  I'm guessing there is something in place, with it being an IFBB event.  I'm sure it would be possible to say, it's my event...I'll appoint Mr. X to pick the judges.  I want the judging based on my criteria, not the standard bloated gut praise from regular shows.
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You have never competed, never been involved in the industry, never sold supplements, never sold steroids, never got yourself in shape...nothing.  You just sit around talking about fucking Hebrews and shit.  Why would anyone care what a submarine sandwich eating security guard has to say???

When you share some ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT in the bodybuilding industry then you might have a residue of a say in the conversation.

You just described most of the judges and promoters.

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This board hates pro bodybuilding. EVERYTHING

Why not have someone else choose the judging for the Arnold Classic...Arnold?  Start the change right there.  I'm guessing there is something in place, with it being an IFBB event.  I'm sure it would be possible to say, it's my event...I'll appoint Mr. X to pick the judges.  I want the judging based on my criteria, not the standard bloated gut praise from regular shows.
How'd that be different?? You'd have more ppl pissed off at the judges. Except for this board, who for the most part has little to no involvement in thè industry except criticizing everything; A majority of fans who actually go to these shows, agrees with the judges & disagree with Arnold. There's no debate that Cedric has a more aesthetic physique than Branch but that day, Branch was a better bodybuilder & deservingly got 2nd. Why would they care that ppl here complaining. Arnold has all rights to voice his opinion, it's his show & he is bodybuilding but this is a subjective sport which means you're gonna have various opinions. BB'ing is a freak show, has been & will always be a freak show. People don't watch football, baseball, basketball, soccer etc to see athletes do something they can do. They wanna see something spectacular. McGuire, Jordan, Tyson made millions being freaks. Ppl didn't look at them & say "I can do that". Just like the main goal at a BBing show isn't to see a physique that you can admire at the beach. It wasn't that way when Arnold was Mr O.  He even said that in Pumping Iron, he said ppl can't appreciate his physique cause they don't know what they're looking at.

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It's a form of art.  Go fuck yourself.

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This board hates MODERN pro bodybuilding.

Future of BB is in Nigeria  ;)

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I admire wiggs faith in the future of bodybuilding, but the truth is that the 80's or 90's winning bodies had great genetics to start with and today's mentality is "if you have the money for drugs you win the plastic trophies". Just look at the men's bikini division; they surely use more than a mentzer, a zane, arnold.

A lot of the guys in men's physique division is guys who couldn't cut it in bbing, I know a handful that transitioned into physique and started doing good and even turning pro. It's a joke as far as competitions go but the bodies is something people can actually attain

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This is unacceptable the way bodybuilding is going.  We don't want to see biggest, or grainiest man winning shows.  We want to see the most beautiful physiques winning shows.

I have my marching orders from Arnold (see video).  I have been one of the more vocal ones about this for years amongst many others here.  If there's one thing this diverse group of people on this board can agree on, it's that professional bodybuilding for men is a disgrace.  It wasn't always like that and it doesn't have to continue to be this way.  It's been the running joke on this board for years.  The reset button needs to be pressed.  The IFBB Rule Book needs to be adhered to regarding judging.  The posing round needs to be scored for posing, guts need to go and vacuums need to return. V-tapers need to return, insulin needs to go, tie-ins and striations need to return, sunken faces precontest need to return. The physiques from the late 80s to early 90s need to return.  Unless bodybuilding is intentionally being destroyed, there's no reason to keep mens bodybuilding going in the direction has been going. This isn't going to go away, Arnold embarrassed the the hell out of the judges (which they should have been).  Please do something to change this and go back to physiques people aspired to have.  



I agree 100% modern BB look like shit and something should be done

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vince is just mad that wiggs is getbig's head hebrew in charge,

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Only people who support modern bodybuilding do it for their own reasons, todays guys rely more on drugs and less on genetics than ever before, that encourages the so many that attempt this sport without the genetics to be successful, they can now progress where they previously couldn't, genetic shape and overall structure should always be part of the judging criteria. There are still good examples of great genetics but those guys are forced into a situation where they have to compete on areas of the criteria like size and condition where drugs play a much greater part.

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #164 on: April 06, 2015, 06:02:22 PM »
If Arnold can't fix this mess it's because it is fixed. 

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vince is just mad that wiggs is getbig's head hebrew in charge,

Don't forget that Vincenza is 1/2 of Polish Jew origin  ;D

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #166 on: April 08, 2015, 04:24:39 PM »
arnold and dorian on twitter

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #167 on: April 08, 2015, 06:13:52 PM »
^^^and yet Arnold called out Dorians physique for the same reasons

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #168 on: April 09, 2015, 04:50:55 AM »
Thought it funny Yates should say that as he brought a gut to the table.
I thought Arnold just commented on him not stepping up to the Mic and not bringing any personality, nothing about his physique...? He also put down the way they were dressing in "baggy clown pants"
^^^and yet Arnold called out Dorians physique for the same reasons

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Why not have someone else choose the judging for the Arnold Classic...Arnold?  Start the change right there.  I'm guessing there is something in place, with it being an IFBB event.  I'm sure it would be possible to say, it's my event...I'll appoint Mr. X to pick the judges.  I want the judging based on my criteria, not the standard bloated gut praise from regular shows.

The promoter doesn't sanction the contest or pick the judges.

The IFBB sanctions the show and they select the judges and the standards they use.

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #170 on: April 09, 2015, 02:32:28 PM »

From James T. Rockell, a former IFBB Judge

"Here's a question I have been dealing with for over 40 years now- Is Bodybuilding a drug sport? Or should the real question be should Bodybuilding continue to be a drug sport? I started lifting weights in college in the late sixties and early seventies because I was a shinny 129 lbs soaking wet at 6 feet one inch cross country and track athlete and really needed to put some muscle on. Well I started lifting and loved the "pump" I got and ended up putting over 100 pounds on my frame in just over a year. Lifting weights was a hobby until Arnold's Pumping Iron and the Frank Zane Olympia wins in the mid seventies prompted myself and a partner to open Samson's Gym. Within a few years I found myself getting the bug for competing and got on stage. I competed without drugs or roids for about five years and then found myself on the judging side of the sport. As a drug free bodybuilder I always had to put my personal feelings aside about the drug use I saw and concentrate on fairly judging what was in front of me without bias.

Since I am no longer a part of the organization I was involved with for all those years and seeing what has been happening lately I felt I should speak up. Arnold was perfectly right in calling out what he saw at his contest in terms of those grotesque midsections. That issue of course wasn't new but certainly was never taken care of. Even more disturbing to me has been the progression of the look of the women athletes in all divisions of the sport. Early on we were asked to implement a 20 per cent rule for reducing hardness. The realty is that worked for one show in favor of Anja Schreiner. Women's Bodybuilding basically became men's body building in disquise. Every women's division from bikini, figure and physique has morphed into things they should never have been and the reality is the drugs. They will continue to get harder and harder unless the drugs are eliminated from the scene. And the men will of course get bigger and bigger but as Arnold remarked at a cost of aesthetics proportion and symmetry which were the hallmarks of bodybuilding.

So the real answer to the question I posed is that drugs really should not be in bodybuilding, baseball, football etc. Genetics, hard training, proper nutrition and personal willpower will always determine the best of the best. From my love of baseball Mickey Mantle's only steroids were the drinks of hard liquor he consumed far too often and they weren't responsible for the power he displayed at the plate to drive a ball 565 feet!! It's easy to allow things to continue to do what they are going to do and I am as guilty as anyone for not saying anything until now. Things need to change and I hope to be a big part of that change."

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #171 on: April 09, 2015, 03:03:24 PM »
no drugs in bodybuilding = no olympia

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #172 on: April 10, 2015, 01:49:49 PM »
No drugs in bodybuilding is like a bunch of ripped swimmers on stage

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #173 on: April 10, 2015, 02:03:24 PM »
No drugs in bodybuilding is like a bunch of ripped swimmers on stage

99% of BB don't swim  :D

Inge van Brujin was super pussy  :-* :'(

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Re: 2015 Arnold Classic - Arnold not holding back - calls out the judges
« Reply #174 on: April 10, 2015, 02:38:21 PM »
From James T. Rockell, a former IFBB Judge

"Here's a question I have been dealing with for over 40 years now- Is Bodybuilding a drug sport? Or should the real question be should Bodybuilding continue to be a drug sport? I started lifting weights in college in the late sixties and early seventies because I was a shinny 129 lbs soaking wet at 6 feet one inch cross country and track athlete and really needed to put some muscle on. Well I started lifting and loved the "pump" I got and ended up putting over 100 pounds on my frame in just over a year. Lifting weights was a hobby until Arnold's Pumping Iron and the Frank Zane Olympia wins in the mid seventies prompted myself and a partner to open Samson's Gym. Within a few years I found myself getting the bug for competing and got on stage. I competed without drugs or roids for about five years and then found myself on the judging side of the sport. As a drug free bodybuilder I always had to put my personal feelings aside about the drug use I saw and concentrate on fairly judging what was in front of me without bias.

Since I am no longer a part of the organization I was involved with for all those years and seeing what has been happening lately I felt I should speak up. Arnold was perfectly right in calling out what he saw at his contest in terms of those grotesque midsections. That issue of course wasn't new but certainly was never taken care of. Even more disturbing to me has been the progression of the look of the women athletes in all divisions of the sport. Early on we were asked to implement a 20 per cent rule for reducing hardness. The realty is that worked for one show in favor of Anja Schreiner. Women's Bodybuilding basically became men's body building in disquise. Every women's division from bikini, figure and physique has morphed into things they should never have been and the reality is the drugs. They will continue to get harder and harder unless the drugs are eliminated from the scene. And the men will of course get bigger and bigger but as Arnold remarked at a cost of aesthetics proportion and symmetry which were the hallmarks of bodybuilding.

So the real answer to the question I posed is that drugs really should not be in bodybuilding, baseball, football etc. Genetics, hard training, proper nutrition and personal willpower will always determine the best of the best. From my love of baseball Mickey Mantle's only steroids were the drinks of hard liquor he consumed far too often and they weren't responsible for the power he displayed at the plate to drive a ball 565 feet!! It's easy to allow things to continue to do what they are going to do and I am as guilty as anyone for not saying anything until now. Things need to change and I hope to be a big part of that change."
sounds good,,,but nowadays they don't have sell the image for magazine sales,,today its the supplement industry  which needs to cater to the masses now and the 'illusion'you can look this with such and such...