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I remember some years ago doing lots of oblique training not just side bends but seated broomstick twists with a broom handle doing 3x 200 reps. This was with double crunches and hanging knee raises. I think at the time it did give a toning effect to my lower back and waist but not like this guy claims. Training the Rectus Abdominis will shorten your torso, wtf is he talking about? shorten your abs sure in the crunch but i donīt see his point. If you do hanging abs your full midsection is worked.
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If this guy is really selling himself as a trainer, and his exercises really worked to tighten the waist, as he claims, then he should have taken off his shirt to show off the spectacular results of those exercises, in the form of the great 6 pack that he has.
Abs are made in the kitchen. If you don't cut the body fat covering your core, then you see nothing but fat. Fact.
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If this guy is really selling himself as a trainer, and his exercises really worked to tighten the waist, as he claims, then he should have taken off his shirt to show off the spectacular results of those exercises, in the form of the great 6 pack that he has.
Abs are made in the kitchen. If you don't cut the body fat covering your core, then you see nothing but fat. Fact.
yes we all have abs. maybe not developed but abs. I canīt tell you how many overweight people who still believe in spot reduction. when i tell them ok we will do some cycling on the stationary bike, they always ask about ab training ;D never mind.. cut out the jelly doughnuts and move...
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A great no nonsense ab workout which i bought some years back was from this ex Seal...works great. The original video was called "Ab Blast".. Sadly i think he was killed in Irak. I remember posting this about 2 years ago but his video is good.
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yeah .. seen that before good video. donīt need any fancy shit for abs. small movements and contraction.
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Here's a guy who isn't selling anything, but you can see his abs right through his shirt!
People here on GetBig overlook the fact that gymnastics builds really great looking muscles, and all the Old Time Strongmen/Bodybuilders were gymnasts too. Up until the 1950s, practically every Bodybuilder could do an Iron Cross, on the motionless rings.
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Here's a guy who isn't selling anything, but you can see his abs right through his shirt!
People here on GetBig overlook the fact that gymnastics builds really great looking muscles, and all the Old Time Strongmen/Bodybuilders were gymnasts too. Up until the 1950s, practically every Bodybuilder could do an Iron Cross, on the motionless rings.
yes true Grimmek was a good gymnast. Infact due to this fact he beat Reeves. These guys still did direct ab training though. Honestly man.. the course ab blast is hard. starts , easy and works up to advanced which of course the guy in the video you posted could do. I still got the video. Now i just do basic stuff.
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fuck this shit is brutally intense. Im bored of using a slantboard after 2 mins.
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That's how Paki oww is going to look
when Mayweather is done with him....
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fuck this shit is brutally intense. Im bored of using a slantboard after 2 mins.
Full sit ups i still do to work more my groin/lower area. It does not work "upper Abs" as suggested in the 80s.. it works the full abs to a degree but most importantly many other muscles. However if you want to really hit abs then the video posted is better. Stands to reason you train all the other muscles with normal training but abs you need to understand and train and isolate as best you can. when i do Gironda power leg extensions leaning back my groin/lower abs are hit hard. Older guys be careful on this exercise ;)
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OK. This is turning into an Abs tutorial. The abs, rectus abdominis is one muscle, but two set of nerves, an upper, and a lower set. Some people think that doesn't make a difference. They're totally wrong. If you make a top down exercise movement, then the upper nerves trigger the RA. If you make a bottom up movement, the lower nerves trigger the RA. Whichever set of nerves triggers the movement, the bottom or top, indicates which part of the RA gets worked the hardest, and the other part just goes along for the ride. Hint: the lower nerves get triggered the least. Note: hanging upside down, will trigger the lower nerves first. Guys, such as Sandow, and Grimek, would exercise their abs in a hanging upside down position.
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OK. This is turning into an Abs tutorial. The abs, rectus abdominis is one muscle, but two set of nerves, an upper, and a lower set. Some people think that doesn't make a difference. They're totally wrong. If you make a top down exercise movement, then the upper nerves trigger the RA. If you make a bottom up movement, the lower nerves trigger the RA. Whichever set of nerves triggers the movement, the bottom or top, indicates which part of the RA gets worked the hardest, and the other part just goes along for the ride. Hint: the lower nerves get triggered the least. Note: hanging upside down, will trigger the lower nerves first. Guys, such as Sandow, and Grimek, would exercise their abs in a hanging upside down position.
The Abs are infact a multi muscle and therefore are called Multi muscle rectus Abdominis. The so called 6 pack is infact a multitude of muscles.. such as the traverse abdominus. Now this muscle is not visible but is evident in such poses as the Vacuum pose.. Frank zane was a master in this.
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The Abs are infact a multi muscle and therefore are called Multi muscle rectus Abdominis. The so called 6 pack is infact a multitude of muscles.. such as the traverse abdominus. Now this muscle is not visible but is evident in such poses as the Vacuum pose.. Frank zane was a master in this.
Rectus Abdominis is technically an 8 pack. The Traverse Abdominus has nothing to do with it, as the TA is underneath the RA. The vacuum pose originated with Maxick, the great Old Time Strongman. There are some who claim that the Vacuum Pose was an old yoga pose. And, although yogis were able to do it, after Maxick did it, there is no record of any yogi performing that movement before Maxick did. It wasn't one of the classical yoga poses that preceded Maxick. The Vacuum Pose requires Muscle Control of the Traverse Abdominis and the Diaphragm muscles. Technically it is a breathing exercise. Frank Zane is a master of that pose. Of course the fat slob mass monsters of today couldn't possibly do it.
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Rectus Abdominis is technically an 8 pack. The Traverse Abdominus has nothing to do with it, as the TA is underneath the RA. The vacuum pose originated with Maxick, the great Old Time Strongman. There are some who claim that the Vacuum Pose was an old yoga pose. And, although yogis were able to do it, after Maxick did it, there is no record of any yogi performing that movement before Maxick did. It wasn't one of the classical yoga poses that preceded Maxick. The Vacuum Pose requires Muscle Control of the Traverse Abdominis and the Diaphragm muscles. Technically it is a breathing exercise. Frank Zane is a master of that pose. Of course the fat slob mass monsters of today couldn't possibly do it.
thank you jpm for your input. Have to disagree though. The Traverse abdominus is a part of the Multi muscle Rectus Abdominis. Do you suck in air when you crunch, to contract the abs? Very important muscles and deep.
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when i do Gironda power leg extensions leaning back my groin/lower abs are hit hard. Older guys be careful on this exercise ;)
What do you do those on? The leg extension machines that I have seen and used have it where the back support only goes back so far.
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thank you jpm for your input. Have to disagree though. The Traverse abdominus is a part of the Multi muscle Rectus Abdominis. Do you suck in air when you crunch, to contract the abs? Very important muscles and deep.
Rectus Abdominis, and Traverse Abdominis are two separate, and different muscles. Who, or what, is jpm?
You exhale air, to perform a Vacuum Pose.
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What do you do those on? The leg extension machines that I have seen and used have it where the back support only goes back so far.
I use this bench at home. In the Gym i use the furthest setting.
http://www.nlfit.com/product.asp?category_name=legs&product_id=138&sub=overview
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This is cardio lactic training, your abdominal will get smaller and weaker but more endurance...
I have tried these typ of training 10-15 minutes of ab workout without rest. Your abs muscles become smaller...
Great looking abs = heavy training low reps, and diet!
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Rectus Abdominis, and Traverse Abdominis are two separate, and different muscles. Who, or what, is jpm?
You exhale air, to perform a Vacuum Pose.
exactly.. so your Traverse /rectus abdominis is active. canīt seperate them.
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I use this bench at home. In the Gym i use the furthest setting.
http://www.nlfit.com/product.asp?category_name=legs&product_id=138&sub=overview
Gotcha and thanks.
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exactly.. so your Traverse /rectus abdominis is active. canīt seperate them.
No. To perform a vacuum pose, your Rectus Abdominis is relaxed.
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Gotcha and thanks.
no probs... the leaning back leg extension is great for upper leg / ab development . you can of course lift more weight but the sartorius muscle is worked and hard. better than standard leg extensions.. and the lower groin area. Really hits some important muscles although there is a degree of stretch which as i wrote should be used with cation for older guys.
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No. To perform a vacuum pose, your Rectus Abdominis is relaxed.
prove to me you can separate them. ever seen a video of people doing vacuums and moving their whole midsection. Guys were doing this in the 50s.
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check this guy out... nah... no rectus abdominis active :D
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the Traverse is active and the Rectis..thus a multi muscle. Well just my 2 cents as you guys say.. no stress ;D
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check this guy out... nah... no rectus abdominis active :D
That's called a rope, not a vacuum pose..
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That's called a rope, not a vacuum pose..
OK ;)
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OK ;)
Really, a Vacuum Pose requires that the Rectus Abdominis is relaxed. A Rope Pose uses the Rectus Abdominis. It is different. There are people who can do the Vacuum pose, who can't do the Rope Pose, or the abdominal roll. Different poses, require different Muscle Control.
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Really, a Vacuum Pose requires that the Rectus Abdominis is relaxed. A Rope Pose uses the Rectus Abdominis. It is different. There are people who can do the Vacuum pose, who can't do the Rope Pose, or the abdominal roll. Different poses, require different Muscle Control.
Dude.. like it or not when you crunch, do a leg raise..your traverse is active. You canīt separate these muscles. Multi muscle rectus abdominis.
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Dude.. like it or not when you crunch, do a leg raise..your traverse is active. You canīt separate these muscles. Multi muscle rectus abdominis.
You're wrong. Rectus Abdominis is relaxed in a vacuum pose. That's what we were talking about.
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You're wrong. Rectus Abdominis is relaxed in a vacuum pose. That's what we were talking about.
no we were talking about the abs and if itīs only a single muscle..which is of course false
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no we were talking about the abs and if itīs only a single muscle..which is of course false
The Rectus Abdominis, and the Traverse Abdominis are two different muscles. Do we agree on that?
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show me an ab exercise which seperates the Multi muscle rectus abdominis.
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show me an ab exercise which seperates the Multi muscle rectus abdominis.
The Vacuum Pose!
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The Vacuum Pose!
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So you're telling me that you can't do the Vacuum Pose?
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So you're telling me that you can't do the Vacuum Pose?
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OK, that's a No. You can't.
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OK, that's a No. You can't.
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Thanks for the confirmation.
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Thanks for the confirmation.
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So you won't be posting a tutorial, about how to do the Vacuum Pose?
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So you won't be posting a tutorial, about how to do the Vacuum Pose.
maybe about Anatomy ..wait out.
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maybe about Anatomy ..wait out.
Because everyone has an anatomy chart, but few people know how those muscles really work.
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These and roman chairs are both brutal....beats the snot out of hundreds of crunches as well
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These and roman chairs are both brutal....beats the snot out of hundreds of crunches as well
yeah good stuff.. I would get a pair of Gravity boots
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old school but still good.
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Eugen Sandow's favorite ab exercise was the Roman Column:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=543986.0;attach=575437;image
Article courtesy of funk51. Sig Klein using it in the picture, and even that was converted to a lat machine by the 1960s, according to tom67, who trained at Sig's gym, back in the day. Obviously, the Roman Column is a tort lawyer's dream, so you won't find one in a commercial gym today. Still, if you want a great set of abs, it would be a good DIY project for a home gym.
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I tried to send a scanned article on ab training from Natural Muscular Development Nov 97 but i canīt get it to work. It explains the Function of the Abdominals very well. maybe if someone tells me how iīll post it. This simple Video shows it clearly. The only problem with full situps is that after 30 Degrees or so then we are not talking spinal flexion. The problem for most people is the Psaos Magnus and Psaos Parvus which run from the front of the legs up through the pelvis and connecting to the lowest six spinal vertebrae, these muscles unlike the abdominals have a very large range of motion. now these muscles work even more efficiently when the feet are braced. I also do full sit ups myself(with crunches) but to truly train abdominals they are not the best.
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Great thread.
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Great thread.
I think so too Karen.. ;D Iīm a biff with PCs.. scanned 5 sides in a pdf but donīt know how to send it...oh dear never mind.
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I think so too Karen.. ;D Iīm a biff with PCs.. scanned 5 sides in a pdf but donīt know how to send it...oh dear never mind.
Good info and I enjoy the debate on the vacumn pose.
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Vince Gironda said that the guy with the best set of abs, that he had ever seen, was Leo Robert, 1955 Mr. Universe. Leo Robert's abs were symmetrical, and deeply cut, both vertically, and horizontally.
http://www.davidgentle.com/ironindex/robert.htm
One key to his ab training, not mentioned in the article, is that Leo Robert used a homemade "Moon" bench, for sit ups and leg lifts, and used Iron Boots for the leg lifts.
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One other important ab exercise, after you've cut the fat off your body, is lower body twists. It's has been mentioned, about upper body twists, with a broom stick across your shoulders. The best body twist, is a lower body, side to side twist. Stand on a swivel plate, and hold you upper body stationary. I use my power tower captain chair. I stand on the swivel plate, and keep my upper body stationary holding the hand grips there, while I twist my lower body, to the the left and right, using the swivel plate. One of the most excellent, and most productive abs exercises.
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I remember some years ago doing lots of oblique training not just side bends but seated broomstick twists with a broom handle doing 3x 200 reps. This was with double crunches and hanging knee raises. I think at the time it did give a toning effect to my lower back and waist but not like this guy claims. Training the Rectus Abdominis will shorten your torso, wtf is he talking about? shorten your abs sure in the crunch but i donīt see his point. If you do hanging abs your full midsection is worked.
This may come as surprise to you, but the internet happens to be full of the self proclaimed gurus, who think they have all the wisdom of the world, but who really are just stupid fucks who should be in some mental institute as a patient.. ;D
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This may come as surprise to you, but the internet happens to be full of the self proclaimed gurus, who think they have all the wisdom of the world, but who really are just stupid fucks who should be in some mental institute as a patient.. ;D
yes you are right..lol but i am a big fan of this guy. He is fully correct.
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yes you are right..lol but i am a big fan of this guy. He is fully correct.
Fully correct in that he knows that the Rectus Abdominis and the Traverse Abdominis are two different muscles, but he's only half correct about how the Traverse Abdominis operates. Every trainer, that is aware of the TA, does the suck in the gut exercises, but the TA also sticks out the gut too. You need to exercise all muscles throughout their full range of motion, in order to get proper muscle development and strength. Lie on your back, place a small, 5# or 10# plate on your stomach, and press it up, to hit the TA hard. You can wrap the plate in a towel, so that it doesn't slide around too easily. Lots of reps, increase weight slightly, as the reps get easy. Repeat, over time.
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Fully correct in that he knows that the Rectus Abdominis and the Traverse Abdominis are two different muscles, but he's only half correct about how the Traverse Abdominis operates. Every trainer, that is aware of the TA, does the suck in the gut exercises, but the TA also sticks out the gut too. You need to exercise all muscles throughout their full range of motion, in order to get proper muscle development and strength. Lie on your back, place a small, 5# or 10# plate on your stomach, and press it up, to hit the TA hard. You can wrap the plate in a towel, so that it doesn't slide around too easily. Lots of reps, increase weight slightly, as the reps get easy. Repeat, over time.
sorry but he is correct. To fully work your Multi muscle rectus Abdominis ALL the muscles are engaged...he is 100% correct
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you quote Vince Gironda often.. well here is one from his book "The wild Physique" page 58, bent knee leg raise. " lie flat on a table or on the floor. place your palms flat down next to your hips. raise your bent knees towards your chest and lift your head forward at the same time. your hips should raise of the floor during the movement. exhale as you compress your body..inhale as you return to extended position. if you breathe in as you compress your body .. you could stretch the ab muscles and develop a drum belly. The traverse is paramount in any ab exercise.
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A great no nonsense ab workout which i bought some years back was from this ex Seal...works great. The original video was called "Ab Blast".. Sadly i think he was killed in Irak. I remember posting this about 2 years ago but his video is good.
Killed would be an understatement. He was shot up by small arms and grenades, dismembered, set on fire and hung on a bridge...
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Killed would be an understatement. He was shot up by small arms and grenades, dismembered, set on fire and hung on a bridge...
I read the story but did not want to write it here.
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one hell of a guy, has my respect :)
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yes you are right..lol but i am a big fan of this guy. He is fully correct.
Correct?
1. Crunches doesn't shorten your body, or widen your waist. Sit ups do that, because most of the work is done by iliopsoas muscle.
2. Strengthening those obliques doesn't shrink your waistline, it only make it stronger, and if you are on gear they grow wider.
So how he is right? He is just an bullshit artist, who is selling you some crap he has "invented". He wasn't any good at it, because his web site is on sale.. ;D
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Fully correct in that he knows that the Rectus Abdominis and the Traverse Abdominis are two different muscles, but he's only half correct about how the Traverse Abdominis operates. Every trainer, that is aware of the TA, does the suck in the gut exercises, but the TA also sticks out the gut too. You need to exercise all muscles throughout their full range of motion, in order to get proper muscle development and strength. Lie on your back, place a small, 5# or 10# plate on your stomach, and press it up, to hit the TA hard. You can wrap the plate in a towel, so that it doesn't slide around too easily. Lots of reps, increase weight slightly, as the reps get easy. Repeat, over time.
Are you talking about weighted crunches??
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Are you talking about weighted crunches??
No, No. You're lying on the floor. You put weight on your stomach, and using your TA, you lift that weight straight up. Basically, sticking out your gut. The exercise is counter intuitive, but it does work. The TA not only pulls the stomach in, it also pushes the stomach out. You need to exercise every muscle, in its complete ROM, for best muscle development.