small waist...really?

[Donny]

the Traverse is active and the Rectis..thus a multi muscle. Well just my 2 cents as you guys say.. no stress 

[Erik C]

check this guy out... nah... no rectus abdominis active

That's called a rope, not a vacuum pose..

[Donny]

That's called a rope, not a vacuum pose..

OK 

[Erik C]

OK 

Really, a Vacuum Pose requires that the Rectus Abdominis is relaxed. A Rope Pose uses the Rectus Abdominis. It is different. There are people who can do the Vacuum pose, who can't do the Rope Pose, or the abdominal roll. Different poses, require different Muscle Control.

[Donny]

Really, a Vacuum Pose requires that the Rectus Abdominis is relaxed. A Rope Pose uses the Rectus Abdominis. It is different. There are people who can do the Vacuum pose, who can't do the Rope Pose, or the abdominal roll. Different poses, require different Muscle Control.

Dude.. like it or not when you crunch, do a leg raise..your traverse is active. You canīt separate these muscles. Multi muscle rectus abdominis.

[Erik C]

Dude.. like it or not when you crunch, do a leg raise..your traverse is active. You canīt separate these muscles. Multi muscle rectus abdominis.

You're wrong. Rectus Abdominis is relaxed in a vacuum pose. That's what we were talking about.

[Donny]

You're wrong. Rectus Abdominis is relaxed in a vacuum pose. That's what we were talking about.

no we were talking about the abs and if itīs only a single muscle..which is of course false

[Erik C]

no we were talking about the abs and if itīs only a single muscle..which is of course false

The Rectus Abdominis, and the Traverse Abdominis are two different muscles. Do we agree on that?

[Donny]

 show me an ab exercise which seperates the Multi muscle rectus abdominis.

[Erik C]

show me an ab exercise which seperates the Multi muscle rectus abdominis.

The Vacuum Pose!

[Donny]

The Vacuum Pose!

[Erik C]

So you're telling me that you can't do the Vacuum Pose?

[Donny]

So you're telling me that you can't do the Vacuum Pose?

   

[Erik C]

   

OK, that's a No. You can't.

[Donny]

OK, that's a No. You can't.

[Erik C]

Thanks for the confirmation.

[Donny]

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Erik C]

 

So you won't be posting a tutorial, about how to do the Vacuum Pose?

[Donny]

So you won't be posting a tutorial, about how to do the Vacuum Pose.

maybe about Anatomy ..wait out.

[Erik C]

maybe about Anatomy ..wait out.

Because everyone has an anatomy chart, but few people know how those muscles really work.

[liberty]

These and roman chairs are both brutal....beats the snot out of hundreds of crunches as well

[Donny]

These and roman chairs are both brutal....beats the snot out of hundreds of crunches as well

yeah good stuff.. I would get a pair of Gravity boots

[Donny]

 old school but still good.

[Erik C]

Eugen Sandow's favorite ab exercise was the Roman Column:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=543986.0;attach=575437;image

Article courtesy of funk51. Sig Klein using it in the picture, and even that was converted to a lat machine by the 1960s, according to tom67, who trained at Sig's gym, back in the day. Obviously, the Roman Column is a tort lawyer's dream, so you won't find one in a commercial gym today. Still, if you want a great set of abs, it would be a good DIY project for a home gym.

[Donny]

I tried to send a scanned article on ab training from Natural Muscular Development Nov 97 but i canīt get it to work. It explains the Function of the Abdominals very well. maybe if someone tells me how iīll post it. This simple Video shows it clearly. The only problem with full situps is that after 30 Degrees or so then we are not talking spinal flexion. The problem for most people is the Psaos Magnus and Psaos Parvus which run from the front of the legs up through the pelvis and connecting to the lowest six spinal vertebrae, these muscles unlike the abdominals have a very large range of motion. now these muscles work even more efficiently when the feet are braced. I also do full sit ups myself(with crunches) but to truly train abdominals they are not the best.