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The Boyer Coe Interview, Part 2 is now available on The Bodybuilding Legends Show, exclusively on FloridaPhysique.com!
Boyer talks about the controversial 1980 Mr. Olympia, his boycott of the 1981 Mr. Olympia, his relationship with the eccentric Arthur Jones from Nautilus and getting into his
best shape at 48 years old for the 1994 Masters Mr. Olympia
http://www.floridaphysique.com/#!boyer-coe-part-2/crwg
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Great interview.
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Yes, very good! Thanks!
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Nice interview, seemed pretty open about drugs, gave props to Padilla.
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i still see arnold the deserved winner in 1980..
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Nice interview, seemed pretty open about drugs, gave props to Padilla.
Boyer was very open and honest in that interview. He was great!
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Fantastic stuff. The Arthur Jones talking about cd's decades before they were used was really interesting to hear.
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Any ab workout advices?
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Fantastic stuff. The Arthur Jones talking about cd's decades before they were used was really interesting to hear.
I know, that was absolutely crazy, especially way back in 1971-2.
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Look forward to listen to it this afternoon ...
Thanks for sharing .
Btw, are you looking forward to have Lou Ferrigno on the the show?
I know you've met him few times, what's your honest opinion about Louie as a person ?
Thanks .
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Look forward to listen to it this afternoon ...
Thanks for sharing .
Btw, are you looking forward to have Lou Ferrigno on the the show?
I know you've met him few times, what's your honest opinion about Louie as a person ?
Thanks .
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
He's always been very nice to me. I haven't asked him yet but I'm sure I will eventually.
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I've read those books they were talking about.
The second one was very good in the first half with regards to contests and Arnold trying to control everything after he retired.
The second half was all Arthur Jones it went way overboard.
The third one i don't know if i want to read because all it's going to be is bashing 90's bodybuilding. The writer is one of these Ironage fucks. The fact that he is blind? is unreal for what i can see coming....
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yea all these other guys can't admit that an arnold with a couple of months training was better than them after they busted their arses for months and months.
i still see arnold the deserved winner in 1980..
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yea all these other guys can't admit that an arnold with a couple of months training was better than them after they busted their arses for months and months.
Arnold won easily. Pics say one thing, once you watch the video it's not even close. His structure was far and away number 1 and end of the day that kills it, size and cuts were pretty even across the board although Arnold's upper body was still the best. Zane/Mentzer 2 and 3. Boyer can say Arnold looked thin....in clothes. Who cares, underneath he was bigger than all of them.
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Arnold won easily. Pics say one thing, once you watch the video it's not even close. His structure was far and away number 1 and end of the day that kills it, size and cuts were pretty even across the board although Arnold's upper body was still the best. Zane/Mentzer 2 and 3. Boyer can say Arnold looked thin....in clothes. Who cares, underneath he was bigger than all of them.
Boyer, Mike Mentzer, Zane, Samir, Dickerson and Tinerino all disagree.
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And thin, seriously? If Arnold was thin when he dwarfed all of them what does that make them?
Arnold won easily. Pics say one thing, once you watch the video it's not even close. His structure was far and away number 1 and end of the day that kills it, size and cuts were pretty even across the board although Arnold's upper body was still the best. Zane/Mentzer 2 and 3. Boyer can say Arnold looked thin....in clothes. Who cares, underneath he was bigger than all of them.
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Boyer, Mike Mentzer, Zane, Samir, Dickerson and Tinerino all disagree.
And Imagine if Mentzer was around having this powefull tool (the internet ) he probably had Arnold dead last that year .
Seems like only Platz and columbu had Arnold as the winner in 1980 .
No wonder I'm obsessed with pics and videos from that contest lol
WooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh find me the CBS footage !!!!!!
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Boyer, Mike Mentzer, Zane, Samir, Dickerson and Tinerino all disagree.
And one could suggest that your opinion differed from the judges when you lost contests as well, John.
THE BEEF
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Great Interview.. Boyer Coe is a likeable man.
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The best one yet John,loved all the stories Boyer had to tell,and completely agree with his opinion of the modern day scene.Looking forward to part 2 of Samirs interview.Plus,any plans for a Danny Padilla one,would be interesting to hear his view on the 81 Olympia.
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And one could suggest that your opinion differed from the judges when you lost contests as well, John.
THE BEEF
It's always hard to see things from the judges viewpoint. I tend to agree with you guys, when I see the pictures and video of the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest, I can see Arnold as the winner,
even though he wasn't at his best. However, almost everyone I've talked to who was at the show (Dickerson, Boyer, Samir, Bill Pearl) said Arnold shouldn't have been in the top five. The are
all adamant about it. Samir even said that Arnold is his hero and if he could have wished anyone would have won that year, he would have picked Arnold. But, he said Arnold was so off, that he
shouldn't have made the top five. And why did CBS Television refuse to air the footage? If Arnold looked like he could have won, they should have shown the footage with no hesitation. After all,
they paid something like $20K for the rights to film it plus traveling all the way to Australia and filming extra footage weeks in advance with Mentzer, Boyer, Dickerson and Zane.
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I've read those books they were talking about.
The second one was very good in the first half with regards to contests and Arnold trying to control everything after he retired.
The second half was all Arthur Jones it went way overboard.
The third one i don't know if i want to read because all it's going to be is bashing 90's bodybuilding. The writer is one of these Ironage fucks. The fact that he is blind? is unreal for what i can see coming....
I agree with you. I loved the first half of the second book, I thought it was fascinating stuff and I learned a lot of inside stuff that went on that I never heard before. But the detailed stuff about Arthur
Jones was very boring. I even told Randy Roach that and I think he got a little offended but I wish the second half of the book would have been as good as the first half. I know the third volume is going
to cover the 1980 and 1981 Mr. Olympia contests. Randy interviewed me about the '81 Olympia. I'm hoping it's good stuff. I know how hard and long Randy works on these books. It is absolutely amazing
that he is able to do all that research and incredible amount of writing being blind. Simply amazing. I wrote a book about 10 years ago and it was one of the hardest things I've ever done and my book
wasn't even half as long as Randy's books are.
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John,
I certainly respect your take on things (notice I didn't use the word "opinion," which I abhor with a passion) and, since you've interviewed direct eyewitnesses to the '80 Olympia, I reckon that makes them, and by default, you, far more qualified to judge what really happened at that contest ...
... but on the other hand, those are subjective measures; pics and video are decidedly *not*.
I am a big Mentzer fan. Mike and I were friends from '95 to shortly before his death. He regarded me as a kind of prodigy apprentice and wrote about me in Muscular Development. He, well ... exaggerated, and then some. But I still loved the guy.
Based on everything I've seen, do I agree with Michael's assessment that he and Dickerson should've been the top two?
No. Apart from Chris' quads, calves and back thickness, I was actually shocked that he placed so high.
Then again, from irrefutably untampered photographic evidence, I probably would not have placed Mike in the top two, either. I agree with Boyer in that Arnold did look "skinny" in clothes; Mike said as much once in FLEX magazine. I imagine that was a psyche-out ploy by Arnold to lull some of his "enemies" into a false sense of confidence ... or maybe Arnold just wore a really tight long-sleeved shirt that didn't emphasize his development too well :D
In the end, I've reviewed all of the footage, and Arnold still wins. &guy Walker looks bigger and thicker than Arnold just standing there, and some of the other guys probably had better abs/thighs (or whatever).
I definitely don't think Boyer says this out of jealousy or anything remotely of the sort, though. He is an honorable dude that's always been rather candid about this, that and the other.
Some of you high-volume freaks might take note that Boyer says he got into his very biggest, and arguably best, shape, following a Yates-inspired routine for the '94 Master's Olympia. And since I did know Mentzer at the time, I can also say that, by his accounts, Boyer consulted with him regularly regarding reducing exercises/bodypart and/or switching certain things up when the strength gains slowed.
Of course, to be totally fair, Boyer also admitted that he used more AAS and gH than he ever had before. That and the balls-out training just might have something to do with him coming in big as a house in '94 :)
P.S. -- I'm one of the rare few folk who thought Robby was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too smooth that year and should've finished third behind Louie and Boyer. Personally, I would've given the title to Boyer by a hair ... Lou was gigantic and fairly ripped, but his Pro Tan crap ran all about faster than Lance Armstrong would deny a doping allegation, plus his posing that year was so damned bad that a legitimately retarded person like Jason Genova could've matched his transitions and overall stage presence.
... well, that's an exaggeration, but you get my point. Louie was a terrible poser and was apparently so damned stupid that, even after people (like his jerk-wad of an opportunistic asshole dad) tried to give him some pointers, he just went, "Uh, duh!" and did his own thing.
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I disagree Boyer's assessment that the master's Olympia was his best condition. It was his biggest condition. He was in better shape though for the 1980 Olympia and his grand prix wins.
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I disagree Boyer's assessment that the master's Olympia was his best condition. It was his biggest condition. He was in better shape though for the 1980 Olympia and his grand prix wins.
I agree with you. I thought Boyer's best shape was in 1981 when he won those Grand Prix events. I liked that he couldn't even remember that he won 7 shows that year.
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Didn't know Boyer got to watch the uncut version of the CBS 1980 Olympia footage along with few others !
So, they didn't aired it cause it was too controversial ?
Hmmmmm The best thing that can happen to any tv network is to air a controversial show ......
So, they followed around Tinerino ,Zane ,Dickerson and Boyer all featured as the main contenders for the contest.
At then comes Arnold,unexpected out of nowhere and win it all , now that will make the whole crew and production look like they did a poor job by following around the wrong contestants and making the contest about everyone but the winner....
That to me makes more sense to not air the show.
Arnold was booed, fellow competitors feel he wasn't even top three
But to Arnold in general the 80's were the most successful decade due to his popularity in movies.
Which will make the controversial 1980 MrO never aired footage more attractive to mainstream audiences than pumping Iron was in the 70's
We need to get hands on that footage John !!
Wooossshhhhhhhh.
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Didn't know Boyer got to watch the uncut version of the CBS 1980 Olympia footage along with few others !
So, they didn't aired it cause it was too controversial ?
Hmmmmm The best thing that can happen to any tv network is to air a controversial show ......
So, they followed around Tinerino ,Zane ,Dickerson and Boyer all featured as the main contenders for the contest.
At then comes Arnold,unexpected out of nowhere and win it all , now that will make the whole crew and production look like they did a poor job by following around the wrong contestants and making the contest about everyone but the winner....
That to me makes more sense to not air the show.
Arnold was booed, fellow competitors feel he wasn't even top three
But to Arnold in general the 80's were the most successful decade due to his popularity in movies.
Which will make the controversial 1980 MrO never aired footage more attractive to mainstream audiences than pumping Iron was in the 70's
We need to get hands on that footage John !!
Wooossshhhhhhhh.
Absolutely! I would love to see that footage. I wonder if Sher Edwards, the guy who was in charge at CBS, is still around.
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Absolutely! I would love to see that footage. I wonder if Sher Edwards, the guy who was in charge at CBS, is still around.
The search is on !
Btw, I like how Boyer and the rest of the guys say that Arnold looked smaller, worried and insecure ...
in the pictures he's the biggest most secure and all smiles .
;D
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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It's always hard to see things from the judges viewpoint. I tend to agree with you guys, when I see the pictures and video of the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest, I can see Arnold as the winner,
even though he wasn't at his best. However, almost everyone I've talked to who was at the show (Dickerson, Boyer, Samir, Bill Pearl) said Arnold shouldn't have been in the top five. The are
all adamant about it. Samir even said that Arnold is his hero and if he could have wished anyone would have won that year, he would have picked Arnold. But, he said Arnold was so off, that he
shouldn't have made the top five. And why did CBS Television refuse to air the footage? If Arnold looked like he could have won, they should have shown the footage with no hesitation. After all,
they paid something like $20K for the rights to film it plus traveling all the way to Australia and filming extra footage weeks in advance with Mentzer, Boyer, Dickerson and Zane.
The video has Arnold the clear winner. Mentzer is too blocky. Dickenson just not in it, too small. Zane looks far better in the video than Pics where he looks washed out. Structure is a massive thing it doesn't come up as much at the Olympia these days since to get there most guys have outstanding structures however back in 1980 they all didn't and Arnold clearly stands out.
As for the book, it seems to make out Arthur Jones was a dominate player in the 70's era, to devote a whole half book to him, is this true? He had some machines but said steroids didn't work and clearly had insecurity ego problems when Bill Pearl changed his machine for the better and he couldn't handle it.
I saw his interview on Letterman (youtube) he claims the barbell wasn't the best tool to train with. He's just bashing things that work to push his own agenda and make more money which is garbage, he doesn't have an open mind. Also his communication skills arn't too great as you can see in that Interview.
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Great Thread and thanks to John we have such interviews on here. I donīt think Arnold should have won but just my opinion. Jones was a clever business man pushing his machines which do have their values but the HIT crowd make it sound like the end all of training.
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Great Thread and thanks to John we have such interviews on here. I donīt think Arnold should have won but just my opinion. Jones was a clever business man pushing his machines which do have their values but the HIT crowd make it sound like the end all of training.
You're welcome!
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The video has Arnold the clear winner. Mentzer is too blocky. Dickenson just not in it, too small. Zane looks far better in the video than Pics where he looks washed out. Structure is a massive thing it doesn't come up as much at the Olympia these days since to get there most guys have outstanding structures however back in 1980 they all didn't and Arnold clearly stands out.
As for the book, it seems to make out Arthur Jones was a dominate player in the 70's era, to devote a whole half book to him, is this true? He had some machines but said steroids didn't work and clearly had insecurity ego problems when Bill Pearl changed his machine for the better and he couldn't handle it.
I saw his interview on Letterman (youtube) he claims the barbell wasn't the best tool to train with. He's just bashing things that work to push his own agenda and make more money which is garbage, he doesn't have an open mind. Also his communication skills arn't too great as you can see in that Interview.
Arthur Jones was definitely a weird dude! I agree with you about devoting half of that book to him, it was way too much. The first half of the book was fantastic, some great stuff in there about Pumping Iron that I never read before, including Arnold getting paid $50K to be in the movie, but the second half I couldn't even finish.
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His gym was the first gym I ever joined in 1980. Caller Boe Coe's Bodymaster. Great equipment, better than most of the shit today.
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His gym was the first gym I ever joined in 1980. Caller Boe Coe's Bodymaster. Great equipment, better than most of the shit today.
The BodyMasters line of equipment was very good back in the day.