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Those Republicans!...what a fun bunch of guys!...every single Republican candidate agrees with Indiana Gov. Pense's law which legalizes discrimination against gay couples.....amazing..... ...you can't discriminate against a single gay person but if you're a couple, watch out!!!!!
Rubio, Cruz, and Bush came out for it......there goes the gay vote.....many moderate votes lost as well......The Republicans can't help alienating people.....
I guess Hillary will be president
I've never seen Rachel Maddow so happy!!!!!!
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Those Republicans!...what a fun bunch of guys!...every single Republican candidate agrees with Indiana Gov. Pense's law which legalizes discrimination against gay couples.....amazing..... ...you can't discriminate against a single gay person but if you're a couple, watch out!!!!!
Rubio, Cruz, and Bush came out for it......there goes the gay vote.....many moderate votes lost as well......The Republicans can't help alienating people.....
I guess Hillary will be president
I've never seen Rachel Maddow so happy!!!!!!
Really the law actually says you can discriminate against gay couples?
Strange that 19 other states have religious freedom laws, modeled after a federal law - Religious Freedom Restoration Act - signed by non other than Bill Clinton.
Hmmmm looks like another red herring...........
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this is even from fox news :D
ERIC SHAWN: You know, the law was intended to protect personal religious liberties against government overreach and intrusion. So what happened?
BAIER: Well, Indiana’s law is written a little differently. It is more broad. It is different than the federal law that it’s close to, but different than, and also different than 19 other states and how the law is written. In specific terms, Indiana’s law deals with a person who can claim religious persecution but that includes corporations, for-profit entities and it could also be used as a defense in a civil suit that does not involve the government. That is broader than the other laws. This is where it’s a little different in Indiana’s case. You saw governor Mike Pence try to defend the law and say it’s just like the 1993 federal law where it’s just like 19 other states, but as you look in the fine print, it’s not really, and it may be something that Indiana deals with in specifics to line up with the others
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pizza for a wedding :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Indiana Pizzeria: No Pies for Gay Weddings
Source: TDB/ABC News
A Walkertown, Indiana, pizza shop is the state’s first business to declare it will discriminate against gays after the Religious Freedom Restoration Act was signed into law last week. “If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no,” Memories Pizza owner Crystal O’Connor told a local news station. “We are a Christian establishment.” However, gay couples—like those of other faiths—are welcome to patronize the establishment on non-matrimonial occasions. “I don’t think it’s discrimination,” O’Connor says. “It’s supposed to help people that have a religious belief.” Gov. Mike Pence said yesterday that he didn’t believe the law allowed discrimination but asked for new legislation to “fix” the RFRA by the end of the week.
Read it at ABC News
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Seems to me if I don't believe in gay marriage as it violates my beliefs then I'm also protected. You people can't have it both ways....
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But hey....this is sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more important then making a disasterously dangerous deal with nuclear deal with Iran right? They only want to nuke us and they hang gays.....but Obama loves em and anything Obama loves the sheep in the dem party need to slober all over.
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But hey....this is sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more important then making a disasterously dangerous deal with nuclear deal with Iran right? They only want to nuke us and they hang gays.....but Obama loves em and anything Obama loves the sheep in the dem party need to slober all over.
can we stay on topic of the post,if you want to go cry about Obama start a new thread
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Absofuckinglutely.....I'll let the folks from Ace of Spades lead off....
There is no principle here. The zealots are not claiming that we must be tolerant towards all -- that is a principle most could agree with.
No, they are instead claiming we must embrace the things they love, and hate -- and persecute -- the things they hate.
This is not "tolerance." This is, at best, simply the replacement of one set of bigotries and hatreds with the
left's favored set of bigotries and hatreds.
This WSJ is worth a read, though it gets, I think, pretty deceptive in its middle part. The WSJ says that opponents of Indiana's RFRA law "claim" that the law would "empower" florists and wedding photographers to "discriminate" against gay weddings.
That's not the claim, Old Bean. That's the entire point.
And it signals how lost this issue is when not even the defenders of the RFRA can even admit the law's purpose. They seem compelled to pretend this bit about refusing service to gay weddings is just some hypothetical crazy talk.
It's not. It's the whole point. And we should not be afraid to say so.
I don't disagree with those who refuse to serve gay weddings, and I don't necessarily agree with them, either. I don't have to. That is the point of tolerance -- not that I either disagree or agree with someone's decision or someone's self-expression, but that I support his rights to decide for himself, and express himself, as he sees fit.
My agreement with his decisions or speech -- my disgust with it -- my sympathies for it -- my hatred of it -- irrelevant, because I am not weighing in on the speech or decision itself -- merely whether I believe an American has a right to so speak or so decide.
And on that matter, I most emphatically do support their right to decide or speak as they would.
Otherwise, I'm afraid I'm going to start needing to demand my own laws, such as a law requiring liberals to confess that the earth hasn't warmed in 17 years and that there is nothing but speculation offered to explain this away whenever I demand they make that concession.
Because that's all the gay "rights" activists are doing here -- they are forcing people who disagree with their political beliefs to endorse those political beliefs anyway, using the crushing power of the state to compel assent.
And if that's the new game in town -- I have a lot of things I wish to force liberals to agree to. Such as the fact that Obama is, in fact, a leftwing socialist who despises America in his core.
This is not about serving gays, this is about acceding to gays' (and non-gay Gay Enthusiasts') demeans that those who dissent with gay weddings nevertheless be forced to endorse them.
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Really the law actually says you can discriminate against gay couples?
Strange that 19 other states have religious freedom laws, modeled after a federal law - Religious Freedom Restoration Act - signed by non other than Bill Clinton.
Hmmmm looks like another red herring...........
not according to FOX. Not according to all the CEOs throwing a shitfit.
This is Pence trying to out-base everyone. Well, it worked lol.
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Bottom line.......blow all the dudes u want...stop shoving it in my face and more to the point your right to blow dudes doesn't in any way shape or form replace my right not to like it.
If a minority of bakers refuses services to gay weddings, what actual damage befalls gays? There are still many, many more bakers who will bake them their cakes. So what is the actual harm?
They never answer this question -- they never ask it, so they couldn't answer it -- but the actual answer would be: "The harm is finding out that someone disagrees with my Sacred Belief on gay marriage."
To which I say: Get over it, Sally. A lot of people disagree with you about a lot of things. The fact that you're hysterical about it and also quite cruel -- the way that only a weakling can be truly cruel, when he finally gets a bit of power over someone -- is not a good reason to let you beat someone around using the law as your cudgel.
What is being pursued here is not gays' right to have wedding cake. They have this, of course, and do not need the law's insistence to get it.
What is being pursued here is hardcore gay-identity crusaders' insistence that no one has the right to disagree with them on their Sacred Belief, and that the law can and should be perverted into punishing ThoughtCrimes.
What we are seeing here is the enforcement of a new religious code, one which puts "secular" leftist values at the center of religious dogma, and then uses the power of the state to punish heretics, apostates, and blasphemers.
It is ugly, cruel, and stupid, as are most things the left wants.
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not according to FOX. Not according to all the CEOs throwing a shitfit.
This is Pence trying to out-base everyone. Well, it worked lol.
They're throwing a shit fit that will be over in a week.
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Apple's Gay CEO Tim Cook Wants to Boycott Indiana for Its Allegedly Anti-Gay RFRA, But Will Gladly Sell You an iPhone At Its Boutique in Riyadh, Where They'll Stone You to Death For Being Gay.......Ace of SpADES.
I suspect...can't be sure..but suspect that all you libs are full of shit.
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not according to FOX. Not according to all the CEOs throwing a shitfit.
This is Pence trying to out-base everyone. Well, it worked lol.
You've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck what the MSM has to say. This is a bunch of non sense as usual, as stated 19 other states and a federal law already exist. So what's the big fucking deal?
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They're throwing a shit fit that will be over in a week.
Pence is a VERY smart man. He knew he would get a national shitstorm by doing this 5 minutes before the Final Four.
The law is just another law, but the political impact on the 2016 race can be huge. Every one of the top Repubs got behind this. This "over in a week" will be tweaked/overturned very quckly, and Jeb or Cruz will be wearing that egg on their shirt in October 2016 national debates.
Repubs fell intp Pence's trap here.
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They're throwing a shit fit that will be over in a week.
lol it will be over because they're tweaking the law to mirror the 19 other states and fed law
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You've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck what the MSM has to say. This is a bunch of non sense as usual, as stated 19 other states and a federal law already exist. So what's the big fucking deal?
are you saying this law is the same as the one in the other 19 states, and that this one doesn't push if further in any extreme way?
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are you saying this law is the same as the one in the other 19 states, and that this one doesn't push if further in any extreme way?
that's what rush says :D
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are you saying this law is the same as the one in the other 19 states, and that this one doesn't push if further in any extreme way?
Again I don't care, being gay does not trump ones religious beliefs plain and simple. Since when did a sexual preference become a "protected class"? If I run a business and don't want to hire a cross dresser or "transgender" (PC bullshit) why should I have to? I for one am tired of every "minority" crying discrimination at every slight. Fuck them and fuck you if you don't like it.
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Again I don't care, being gay does not trump ones religious beliefs plain and simple. Since when did a sexual preference become a "protected class"? If I run a business and don't want to hire a cross dresser or "transgender" (PC bullshit) why should I have to? I for one am tired of every "minority" crying discrimination at every slight. Fuck them and fuck you if you don't like it.
If you want to skip my two posts..this about sums it all up. Both are funny
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Really the law actually says you can discriminate against gay couples?
Strange that 19 other states have religious freedom laws, modeled after a federal law - Religious Freedom Restoration Act - signed by non other than Bill Clinton.
Hmmmm looks like another red herring...........
nope........Indiana's law goes beyond the laws of the other states
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But hey....this is sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more important then making a disasterously dangerous deal with nuclear deal with Iran right? They only want to nuke us and they hang gays.....but Obama loves em and anything Obama loves the sheep in the dem party need to slober all over.
what does Obama have to do with this?????????????????????.....you're reaching really badly here
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nope........Indiana's law goes beyond the laws of the other states
we know that he just using his right wing talking points,they seem to think if they say it enough time it becomes true :D
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Absofuckinglutely.....I'll let the folks from Ace of Spades lead off....
There is no principle here. The zealots are not claiming that we must be tolerant towards all -- that is a principle most could agree with.
No, they are instead claiming we must embrace the things they love, and hate -- and persecute -- the things they hate.
This is not "tolerance." This is, at best, simply the replacement of one set of bigotries and hatreds with the
left's favored set of bigotries and hatreds.
This WSJ is worth a read, though it gets, I think, pretty deceptive in its middle part. The WSJ says that opponents of Indiana's RFRA law "claim" that the law would "empower" florists and wedding photographers to "discriminate" against gay weddings.
That's not the claim, Old Bean. That's the entire point.
And it signals how lost this issue is when not even the defenders of the RFRA can even admit the law's purpose. They seem compelled to pretend this bit about refusing service to gay weddings is just some hypothetical crazy talk.
It's not. It's the whole point. And we should not be afraid to say so.
I don't disagree with those who refuse to serve gay weddings, and I don't necessarily agree with them, either. I don't have to. That is the point of tolerance -- not that I either disagree or agree with someone's decision or someone's self-expression, but that I support his rights to decide for himself, and express himself, as he sees fit.
My agreement with his decisions or speech -- my disgust with it -- my sympathies for it -- my hatred of it -- irrelevant, because I am not weighing in on the speech or decision itself -- merely whether I believe an American has a right to so speak or so decide.
And on that matter, I most emphatically do support their right to decide or speak as they would.
Otherwise, I'm afraid I'm going to start needing to demand my own laws, such as a law requiring liberals to confess that the earth hasn't warmed in 17 years and that there is nothing but speculation offered to explain this away whenever I demand they make that concession.
Because that's all the gay "rights" activists are doing here -- they are forcing people who disagree with their political beliefs to endorse those political beliefs anyway, using the crushing power of the state to compel assent.
And if that's the new game in town -- I have a lot of things I wish to force liberals to agree to. Such as the fact that Obama is, in fact, a leftwing socialist who despises America in his core.
This is not about serving gays, this is about acceding to gays' (and non-gay Gay Enthusiasts') demeans that those who dissent with gay weddings nevertheless be forced to endorse them.
you don't have to embrace anything..just treat people equally...simple
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Again I don't care, being gay does not trump ones religious beliefs plain and simple. Since when did a sexual preference become a "protected class"? If I run a business and don't want to hire a cross dresser or "transgender" (PC bullshit) why should I have to? I for one am tired of every "minority" crying discrimination at every slight. Fuck them and fuck you if you don't like it.
well..you've just exposed yourself......nothing else to argue here
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we know that he just using his right wing talking points,they seem to thing if they say it enough time it becomes true :D
LOL@"right wing talking points" :D
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well..you've just exposed yourself......nothing else to argue here
Exposed myself as what? I my self am native american, who has been discriminated against or fucked over more? So you can take your self righteous bullshit to someone else. Go take up the cause of the homo's if you want, I don't care. Being gay is not the same as race, creed, or color.
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Exposed myself as what? I my self am native american, who has been discriminated against or fucked over more? So you can take your self righteous bullshit to someone else. Go take up the cause of the homo's if you want, I don't care. Being gay is not the same as race, creed, or color.
nothing self-righteous about wanting fairness for all....with your background, you above all should know this...this law will open up a big can of tomatoes....people will discriminate against people they even THINK are gay...just treat everyone fairly..thats all..simple....you are exposing yourself as being totally anti-gay...not a good fit for you, bro....i'm not taking up anyone's "cause"....I'm taking up the cause of people who should be treated like everyone else.....what they do in the bedroom is their concern....not yours
RELAX
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If a gay dude comes in and wants a cake...no problem. If a gay dude wants a cake for a wedding and I'm an evangelical christian and don't believe in that...its my fucking right under religious freedom not to serve them on that basis. Thats it....keep pushing...this ends in camps for you people
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nothing self-righteous about wanting fairness for all....with your background, you above all should know this...this law will open up a big can of tomatoes....people will discriminate against people they even THINK are gay...just treat everyone fairly..thats all..simple....you are exposing yourself as being totally anti-gay...not a good fit for you, bro....i'm not taking up anyone's "cause"....I'm taking up the cause of people who should be treated like everyone else.....what they do in the bedroom is their concern....not yours
RELAX
Anti-gay homophobe blah blah blah, sorry but I won't allow you to label me. What fucking world do you live in? Since when in the history of man has everyone been treated "fairly"?
You say what they do in the bedroom is their concern not mine, fine I agree with that. But then again I don't run around telling everyone with in ear shot that I am a hetero, or participate in the hetero pride parade. You reap what you sow...........
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If a gay dude comes in and wants a cake...no problem. If a gay dude wants a cake for a wedding and I'm an evangelical christian and don't believe in that...its my fucking right under religious freedom not to serve them on that basis. Thats it....keep pushing...this ends in camps for you people
I understand the connection you're trying to make, but my reasoning is if you are a baker and a gay couple wants a cake for their birthday, then I see nothing wrong with baking the cake....what they choose to do with the cake is thier business.....now I would agree with you if you said that you did not want to marry them yourself due to religious objection...ok..you might have a point....
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Anti-gay homophobe blah blah blah, sorry but I won't allow you to label me. What fucking world do you live in? Since when in the history of man has everyone been treated "fairly"?
You say what they do in the bedroom is their concern not mine, fine I agree with that. But then again I don't run around telling everyone with in ear shot that I am a hetero, or participate in the hetero pride parade. You reap what you sow...........
;D ;D....thats funny!....but I can't believe in your heart you truly are in favor of that law.....and this is America..if we start striving to not treat everyone fairly adn equal you might as well disolve the constitution and let it be a free-for-all
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The point being made is that the Republicans are always enacting laws restricting this and that......especially as it pertains to other people except straight white males :).......they needlessly piss people off.....WHY?
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The point bneing made is that the Republicans are always enacting laws restricting this and that......especially as it pertains to other people except straight white males :).......they needlessly piss people off.....WHY?
the party of stupid,then when they lose elections they blame it on the m.s.m. lol
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the party of stupid,then when they lose elections they blame it on the m.s.m. lol
agreed
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even nascar :D :D
(http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2015/150401-not-an-april-fools-joke-nascar-slams-indianas-anti-gay-law.jpg)
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;D ;D....thats funny!....but I can't believe in your heart you truly are in favor of that law.....and this is America..if we start striving to not treat everyone fairly adn equal you might as well disolve the constitution and let it be a free-for-all
I'm not in favor of about 90% of the stupid fucking laws in this country. So it is OK to force someone to do something that is against their religious beliefs, but it's not OK to offend a gay person? So in your world gay > religious belief?
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Again I don't care,
wait, you said it was the same law used in 19 other states. Now you're not sure, don't care, what?
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I'm not in favor of about 90% of the stupid fucking laws in this country. So it is OK to force someone to do something that is against their religious beliefs, but it's not OK to offend a gay person? So in your world gay > religious belief?
Even the Pope has come out in favor of gays, although not condoning their practices...if its ok with him it should be ok with his followers ;)
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wait, you said it was the same law used in 19 other states. Now you're not sure, don't care, what?
I also said if you don't like it fuck you to
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Even the Pope has come out in favor of gays, although not condoning their practices...if its ok with him it should be ok with his followers ;)
I'm not catholic, so I really don't give a shit what the pope says or the church for that matter. They are just as corrupt as the politicians.....
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I'm not catholic, so I really don't give a shit what the pope says or the church for that matter. They are just as corrupt as the politicians.....
wow..you're angry at the entire world aren't you? :D
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The Federal law is not exactly the same is the one in Indiana,
Brief summary here - I'm not going to cut and paste because most on this board won't bother to read it either way
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/04/01/395613897/sorting-fact-from-fiction-from-politics-on-the-indiana-law
I have to assume the law in Indiana could also be used to legally discriminate against christians
what if a christian wants a cake for some religious celebration (maybe easter or a baptism or something).
couldn't an atheist or even someone of another religions can legally say that they don't agree with that person choice of religion or their choice of beliefs and find it conflicts with their religious beliefs and legally refuse service.
I'm sure if that every happened our paranoid fundies would be crying about religious persecution
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The Federal law is not exactly the same is the one in Indiana,
Brief summary here - I'm not going to cut and paste because most on this board won't bother to read it either way
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/04/01/395613897/sorting-fact-from-fiction-from-politics-on-the-indiana-law
I have to assume the law in Indiana could also be used to legally discriminate against christians
what if a christian wants a cake for some religious celebration (maybe easter or a baptism or something).
couldn't an atheist or even someone of another religions can legally say that they don't agree with that person choice of religion or their choice of beliefs and find it conflicts with their religious beliefs and legally refuse service.
I'm sure if that every happened our paranoid fundies would be crying about religious persecution
Good post...excellent point
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Really the law actually says you can discriminate against gay couples?
Strange that 19 other states have religious freedom laws, modeled after a federal law - Religious Freedom Restoration Act - signed by non other than Bill Clinton.
Hmmmm looks like another red herring...........
The law created by Bill Clinton protects businesses from discrimation by the government entity. This law is simply targeted towards LGBT and will eventually minorities and anyone else. Its just a smokescreen for the actual bullshit.
The law is racist, sexist, homophobic....etc, one of which a business can now deny services too. May Jupiter piss and shit on Indiana
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wow..you're angry at the entire world aren't you? :D
Not angry, I just know that people are people. You can not legislate morality, prejudice, or any other human emotion. Being gay is a sexual preference, I don't give a damn what people do in the privacy of their own homes. What I do have a problem with is the propaganda campaign of if I don't accept and embrace said life style then I'm a <something>phobe. Phobia means to fear, I don't fear gay people, I simply find homosexuality repugnant.
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The law created by Bill Clinton protects businesses from discrimation by the government entity. This law is simply targeted towards LGBT and will eventually minorities and anyone else. Its just a smokescreen for the actual bullshit.
The law is racist, sexist, homophobic....etc, one of which a business can now deny services too. May Jupiter piss and shit on Indiana
If a business doesn't want to serve you, then why in the world would you want their product? If a business doesn't want my money I will gladly spend it elsewhere.
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:D :D :D
(http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/WilkiS/2015/WilkiS20150402_low.jpg)
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Not angry, I just know that people are people. You can not legislate morality, prejudice, or any other human emotion. Being gay is a sexual preference, I don't give a damn what people do in the privacy of their own homes. What I do have a problem with is the propaganda campaign of if I don't accept and embrace said life style then I'm a <something>phobe. Phobia means to fear, I don't fear gay people, I simply find homosexuality repugnant.
being gay is not ALWAYS a sexual preference....a lot of times it is INNATE....most people can't help it.....they are what they are.....and why do you find homosexuality repugnant?....they only engage in the same practices that HETEROS do......again....what they do in teh bedroom is their business.....just accept them as people and don't think about the bedrom side of it.....
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being gay is not ALWAYS a sexual preference....a lot of times it is INNATE....most people can't help it.....they are what they are.....and why do you find homosexuality repugnant?....they only engage in the same practices that HETEROS do......again....what they do in teh bedroom is their business.....just accept them as people and don't think about the bedrom side of it.....
It is and always has been a sexual preference. There is not a single genome study that has shown it to be genetic nor innate.
You are a moron to think that choosing to be a homo is in the same level as being black or american indian or hispanic.
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I understand the connection you're trying to make, but my reasoning is if you are a baker and a gay couple wants a cake for their birthday, then I see nothing wrong with baking the cake....what they choose to do with the cake is thier business.....now I would agree with you if you said that you did not want to marry them yourself due to religious objection...ok..you might have a point....
Nitwit, what you feel is not the deciding factor here. Neither should the left's view of what is right or wrong the deciding factor. EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT BELIEFS. Your belief should not be imposed on anyone else and vice versa. If a christian SEES that there is everything wrong with providing the cake, HE SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO DO SO. The homos can just as easily look for another baker that will give them the cake.
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If a business doesn't want to serve you, then why in the world would you want their product? If a business doesn't want my money I will gladly spend it elsewhere.
Would you even buy a cake from a place you now dont want to serve you?
They might piss in it or worse.
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It is and always has been a sexual preference. There is not a single genome study that has shown it to be genetic nor innate.
You are a moron to think that choosing to be a homo is in the same level as being black or american indian or hispanic.
Didn't say it was the same and you are wrong that it is not innate in some way....some of it is lifestyle choice...but the attraction to men is there even with a lifestyle choice.....its an innate attraction
I love it when you call me names by the way.....shows you're on the defensive.....its what you radical conservatives do when your whole world is destroyed ;)
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Nitwit, what you feel is not the deciding factor here. Neither should the left's view of what is right or wrong the deciding factor. EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT BELIEFS. Your belief should not be imposed on anyone else and vice versa. If a christian SEES that there is everything wrong with providing the cake, HE SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO DO SO. The homos can just as easily look for another baker that will give them the cake.
if you are in busines thenyou are there to serve all..bottom line..if you don't want to be in a business where you have to serve everyone simply close up shop and do something that does not require contact with the public....
Also there are a lot of hetrosexual pedophiles out there...we don't know who they are, YET....we serve them every single day in various businesses without thinking about it....why pick on gays?????????????
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this is even from fox news :D
ERIC SHAWN: You know, the law was intended to protect personal religious liberties against government overreach and intrusion. So what happened?
BAIER: Well, Indiana’s law is written a little differently. It is more broad. It is different than the federal law that it’s close to, but different than, and also different than 19 other states and how the law is written. In specific terms, Indiana’s law deals with a person who can claim religious persecution but that includes corporations, for-profit entities and it could also be used as a defense in a civil suit that does not involve the government. That is broader than the other laws. This is where it’s a little different in Indiana’s case. You saw governor Mike Pence try to defend the law and say it’s just like the 1993 federal law where it’s just like 19 other states, but as you look in the fine print, it’s not really, and it may be something that Indiana deals with in specifics to line up with the others
yup, at first when BB was reporting this for hours other right wing talkers ignored this little fact. [ Hannity for one ]. then, when it finally got through the bubble that is fox news into the real world the argument shifted to ' its not as important as Iran yadda yadda yadda. Nice way to deflect but too late. the GOP took their first hit of the 2016 election.
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Even the Pope has come out in favor of gays, although not condoning their practices...if its ok with him it should be ok with his followers ;)
Why don't you try some honesty and answer his question?
It's still forcing religious people against their will.
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It is and always has been a sexual preference. There is not a single genome study that has shown it to be genetic nor innate.
You are a moron to think that choosing to be a homo is in the same level as being black or american indian or hispanic.
Is that so? Tell us then how many dicks you sucked before you "decided" you were straight.
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The Federal law is not exactly the same is the one in Indiana,
Brief summary here - I'm not going to cut and paste because most on this board won't bother to read it either way
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/04/01/395613897/sorting-fact-from-fiction-from-politics-on-the-indiana-law
I have to assume the law in Indiana could also be used to legally discriminate against christians
what if a christian wants a cake for some religious celebration (maybe easter or a baptism or something).
couldn't an atheist or even someone of another religions can legally say that they don't agree with that person choice of religion or their choice of beliefs and find it conflicts with their religious beliefs and legally refuse service.
I'm sure if that every happened our paranoid fundies would be crying about religious persecution
8)
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the repubs caved :D
Indiana amends religious freedom bill to put an end to discrimination
Source: The Guardian
Indiana’s legislature has passed a bill that would change the state’s controversial religious freedom law to clarify that it does not authorize businesses to discriminate against people.
The Republican proposal will now be sent for approval to governor Mike Pence, who has been subject to intense criticism since signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) into law last week. Lawmakers also worked with business leaders to craft the language, which was presented to the legislature on Thursday morning.
“We can unequivocally say that RFRA cannot be used to discriminate against anyone,” said house speaker Brian Bosma, a Republican.
Under the existing law, the state cannot create legislation that infringes on a person’s religious beliefs – with the definition of person extended to include businesses, associations and other organizations. Because the state does not consider the LGBT community a protected class, the bill was interpreted as a way for businesses and organizations to legally discriminate.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/02/indiana-republicans-religious-freedom
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the repubs caved :D
yes.
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the repubs caved :D
Indiana amends religious freedom bill to put an end to discrimination
Source: The Guardian
Indiana’s legislature has passed a bill that would change the state’s controversial religious freedom law to clarify that it does not authorize businesses to discriminate against people.
The Republican proposal will now be sent for approval to governor Mike Pence, who has been subject to intense criticism since signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) into law last week. Lawmakers also worked with business leaders to craft the language, which was presented to the legislature on Thursday morning.
“We can unequivocally say that RFRA cannot be used to discriminate against anyone,” said house speaker Brian Bosma, a Republican.
Under the existing law, the state cannot create legislation that infringes on a person’s religious beliefs – with the definition of person extended to include businesses, associations and other organizations. Because the state does not consider the LGBT community a protected class, the bill was interpreted as a way for businesses and organizations to legally discriminate.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/02/indiana-republicans-religious-freedom
Don't they always :D
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Don't they always :D
now they can say (during primaries) that they supported it, to get the base vote.
now they can say (during general election) that they understood why they changed the bill, to get the moderate/swing vote.
Politics as usual.
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being gay is not ALWAYS a sexual preference....a lot of times it is INNATE....most people can't help it.....they are what they are.....and why do you find homosexuality repugnant?....they only engage in the same practices that HETEROS do......again....what they do in teh bedroom is their business.....just accept them as people and don't think about the bedrom side of it.....
In the most basic way I can put it, there are a male and female of a species for a reason, to procreate. If everyone was gay there would exactly one generation. I don't give a shit what people do in their homes, I don't want to know about it. I don't want to know if they are gay or strait, it is irrelevant to my life. Don't push the fucking agenda on me and I won't ask questions about your personal life....... problem solved.
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In the most basic way I can put it, there are a male and female of a species for a reason, to procreate. If everyone was gay there would exactly one generation. I don't give a shit what people do in their homes, I don't want to know about it. I don't want to know if they are gay or strait, it is irrelevant to my life. Don't push the fucking agenda on me and I won't ask questions about your personal life....... problem solved.
How do you feel gay people are pushing their agenda on you (assuming you meant that staement literally)
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Walker: Critics Of Indiana Law Are Just 'Looking For Ways To Be Upset'
Source: TPM
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) characterized critics of Indiana's religious liberty law as chronic malcontents stirred up by "hype and hysteria" in the media, according to audio surfaced by Buzzfeed Thursday.
“I just think this is people who are chronically looking for ways to be upset about things instead of really looking at what it is," Walker said during an interview with Milwaukee-based radio host Charlie Sykes on Wednesday.
"I believe in protecting religious freedoms," he continued. "It’s inherent in our state’s constitution. Heck, it’s inherent in our U.S. Constitution. And again, in Wisconsin, we’ve done it and we’re stronger for it."
Walker made the remarks when asked whether he would have approved a religious-freedom bill like the one Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) recently signed into law. “We don’t need to; in Wisconsin, we have it in the constitution," Walker responded again.
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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-indiana-gay-upset
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yup, at first when BB was reporting this for hours other right wing talkers ignored this little fact. [ Hannity for one ]. then, when it finally got through the bubble that is fox news into the real world the argument shifted to ' its not as important as Iran yadda yadda yadda. Nice way to deflect but too late. the GOP took their first hit of the 2016 election.
agreed X2
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Why don't you try some honesty and answer his question?
It's still forcing religious people against their will.
and again...why is it anyone's business what the sexuality is of people who patronize your business??????....again...businesses patronize child molesters every day without asking them if they are one
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In the most basic way I can put it, there are a male and female of a species for a reason, to procreate. If everyone was gay there would exactly one generation. I don't give a shit what people do in their homes, I don't want to know about it. I don't want to know if they are gay or strait, it is irrelevant to my life. Don't push the fucking agenda on me and I won't ask questions about your personal life....... problem solved.
we agree then....but the people "pushing" the agenda on you are the GOP who should have just left things alone in the first place.....also the law is the height of hypocrisy in that there are so many HOMOSEXUAL priests!!!...as we've come to find out the hard way
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How do you feel gay people are pushing their agenda on you (assuming you meant that staement literally)
I saw what you did there ;D
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I saw what you did there ;D
I just wasn't sure if he was talking rhetorically or if he has personally experienced this and if so how
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rachel maddow - maybe th ebiggest liberal out there - admitted this Pence thing was very smart politics.
motivate the base like crazy and only lose a very small % of moderate/swing voters. She disagrees with the bill absolutely, but says very smart politics.
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Why don't you try some honesty and answer his question?
It's still forcing religious people against their will.
Yes, let's all give in to middle age thinking despite scientific evidence and clear argument that gayness is nature not nurture.
It's also fucking absurd, why don't you stone those that work sunday, or wear two different fabrics? Time to grow up, discrimination is wrong, particularly when it is not a choice.
What right does a business have to a person's sexual preference? More stupid people making stupid decisions. It says in the bible don't like da gays, the other stuff we ignore though, it's my right! I am a certified moron. CHERRY PICKING your way to discrimination, great job!
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rachel maddow - maybe th ebiggest liberal out there - admitted this Pence thing was very smart politics.
motivate the base like crazy and only lose a very small % of moderate/swing voters. She disagrees with the bill absolutely, but says very smart politics.
Rachel is very good at what she does.....and she always has credible research to back it up
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Yes, let's all give in to middle age thinking despite scientific evidence and clear argument that gayness is nature not nurture.
It's also fucking absurd, why don't you stone those that work sunday, or wear two different fabrics? Time to grow up, discrimination is wrong, particularly when it is not a choice.
What right does a business have to a person's sexual preference? More stupid people making stupid decisions. It says in the bible don't like da gays, the other stuff we ignore though, it's my right! I am a certified moron. CHERRY PICKING your way to discrimination, great job!
Agreed..its still discrimination...and now the fact that the Republicans are backtracking and want to "fix" the law says it all.
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Yes, let's all give in to middle age thinking despite scientific evidence and clear argument that gayness is nature not nurture.
It's also fucking absurd, why don't you stone those that work sunday, or wear two different fabrics? Time to grow up, discrimination is wrong, particularly when it is not a choice.
What right does a business have to a person's sexual preference? More stupid people making stupid decisions. It says in the bible don't like da gays, the other stuff we ignore though, it's my right! I am a certified moron. CHERRY PICKING your way to discrimination, great job!
Please provide said scientific evidence, even if that is the case, homesexuality is still an abnormality. It serves no purpose to further the species.
As far as the bible is concerned people need to understand the difference between the old testament and the new testament and what covenant applies to who.
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Pence has been setting himself up for a VP slot for a while. Excellent record. he pulled this shit the wek of the Final Four on purpose to put himself in the front lights for a RINO nominee like Jeb. He's no dummy. this was a shrewd political move, and even maddow had to admit it. The base, well, they BIT lol. It worked perfectly. The base reacted with their annual "chik Fila" actions, predictably. They've paid $500,000 in donations to a shitty pizza joint whose owner kinda appears to be a dick lol. These same folks donated to obama-voting, wifebeating zimmerman. These same folks took selfies with chik fila sandwiches. These same folks hugged 21 ounces of coca-cola to prove bloomberg can't hold them down.
They want to control something in their lives, to be relevant in a world where we just aren't lol. They join onto a hateful movement and suddenly they're important, they control things, they're PART OF SEOMTHING BIG. They love it.
Pence is smart. Period.
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Pence has been setting himself up for a VP slot for a while. Excellent record. he pulled this shit the wek of the Final Four on purpose to put himself in the front lights for a RINO nominee like Jeb. He's no dummy. this was a shrewd political move, and even maddow had to admit it. The base, well, they BIT lol. It worked perfectly. The base reacted with their annual "chik Fila" actions, predictably. They've paid $500,000 in donations to a shitty pizza joint whose owner kinda appears to be a dick lol. These same folks donated to obama-voting, wifebeating zimmerman. These same folks took selfies with chik fila sandwiches. These same folks hugged 21 ounces of coca-cola to prove bloomberg can't hold them down.
They want to control something in their lives, to be relevant in a world where we just aren't lol. They join onto a hateful movement and suddenly they're important, they control things, they're PART OF SEOMTHING BIG. They love it.
Pence is smart. Period.
The fact that they are already backtracking and trying to fix the law shows they know they overreached.....and as usual by their backtracking, they've left their supporters hanging out there alone.....like the conservatives on this board :D
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Please provide said scientific evidence, even if that is the case, homesexuality is still an abnormality. It serves no purpose to further the species.
As far as the bible is concerned people need to understand the difference between the old testament and the new testament and what covenant applies to who.
so what
lots of things people choose to do (let's just pretend its a choice for the sake of argument) also serve no purpose...other than pleasure, comfort, companionship, love and of course gay people can also raise families but still let's just pretend that's of "no purpose"
still
so what
who are you to decide what human activities serve a purpose or not and when has that ever even mattered.
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and again...why is it anyone's business what the sexuality is of people who patronize your business??????....again...businesses patronize child molesters every day without asking them if they are one
That's neither here nor there.
You're trying to make up a position that I don't have and argue against it.
For the record, I am against allowing religious people to block gay people, just as much as I'm against allowing white people to discriminate in their businesses.
I don't believe the market self-corrects.
By default, that means I agree with FORCING religious people to serve ALL members of the public.
When you're honest enough and man enough to own up to that, you might actually be able to put forth an argument.
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Yes, let's all give in to middle age thinking despite scientific evidence and clear argument that gayness is nature not nurture.
It's also fucking absurd, why don't you stone those that work sunday, or wear two different fabrics? Time to grow up, discrimination is wrong, particularly when it is not a choice.
What right does a business have to a person's sexual preference? More stupid people making stupid decisions. It says in the bible don't like da gays, the other stuff we ignore though, it's my right! I am a certified moron. CHERRY PICKING your way to discrimination, great job!
Ah shut up ya stupid, Canadian, Fuck. You don't even know my position and you're arguing against.
Scroll up idiot.
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That's neither here nor there.
You're trying to make up a position that I don't have and argue against it.
For the record, I am against allowing religious people to block gay people, just as much as I'm against allowing white people to discriminate in their businesses.
I don't believe the market self-corrects.
By default, that means I agree with FORCING religious people to serve ALL members of the public.
When you're honest enough and man enough to own up to that, you might actually be able to put forth an argument.
I honestly don't understand what you are saying here....if you feel the way you expressed above then why are we arguing???..we agree on the same thing...or does it bother you that we are on the same side?? :D
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I honestly don't understand what you are saying here....if you feel the way you expressed above then why are we arguing???..we agree on the same thing...or does it bother you that we are on the same side?? :D
No, we're not arguing. Don't go down the rabbit hole of a retard like Necrosis. I'm trying to get you to put forth an honest and straightforward argument rather than bob, dodge, weave, deny, and flat out lie.
As far as I'm concerned, in order to maintain a civilized society, we have to FORCE certain behaviors. So, when the question is asked, the answer is 'yes', we are arguing that it's right and justified to force religious people to do something that they don't believe in.
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No, we're not arguing. Don't go down the rabbit hole of a retard like Necrosis. I'm trying to get you to put forth an honest and straightforward argument rather than bob, dodge, weave, deny, and flat out lie.
As far as I'm concerned, in order to maintain a civilized society, we have to FORCE certain behaviors. So, when the question is asked, the answer is 'yes', we are arguing that it's right and justified to force religious people to do something that they don't believe in.
I like to put it that all people must obey the law...we can't start giving out special dispensations for people to opt out of laws...especially laws banning discrimination....becaus e we are such a unique and multi culrtural society, if everyone didn't obey discrimination laws there would be chaos.....so my definitive answer is, practice your religion anyway you see fit...until it clashes with the rights of others...then we have a problem.....
Thats like religious groups or those who are religious saying.."I'm not gonna sell you a cake because you have had an abortion"...I just say to the religious groups, mind your own business.
Now I do defend the right of said religion not to let gays or people who have had abortions into the religion to worship.......since that might be based on a moral ground where you want people in your religion to act as you do.....understandable... .but maybe not the best practice either
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I like to put it that all people must obey the law...
No you don't. Right now the law in Indiana says it's ok to discriminate against gay people and you're railing against it.
What you want is a law that says you cannot discriminate against gay people, but you CAN discriminate against a person's religious beliefs.
And that I would argue has to occur or we end up right back to the whole separate but equal, sit in the back of the bus, bullshit that should've died ages ago.
Religion is a poison.
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The fact that they are already backtracking and trying to fix the law shows they know they overreached.....and as usual by their backtracking, they've left their supporters hanging out there alone.....like the conservatives on this board :D
the ignorant, ass-informed base voters won't remember the retraction/backdown. If they do notice it (in much smaller FOX News headlines lol), it'll be "Oh, the libs didn't let us do it, but we would have..."
The lowest-info people, those who vote with emotion and really ain't that bright, stick with the far left and right. They let wedge issues lead their lives and would put Hitler into office if he agreed on some insane extreme action that lined up with their belief on a single wedge issue.
SO this is why we'll keep seeing a chick-fila, a Pence thing, etc. It works, and even far-left people like Maddow have to admit it works lol.