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Is Tren use at an all time epidemic? I swear all these pics of gym rats and muscle men posted its like a zoo of tren use.
This compound is a huge health gamble for sooo many reasons (even dementia and alzhemers). I want to use it so bad but it just seems like russian roulette
Is the gym rat typical AAS user now opting for harsher crazier drugs over just relatively safe test and dbol?
Every forum i read its ALL about tren now...tren yr round, tren 6 month a year, tren with every blast, etc etc.
Im pretty sure tren is a hefty carcinogen as well.
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Will make you big and strong as fu-ck but will kill your dick!
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Will make you big and strong as fu-ck but will kill your dick!
Exactly my point here...what u mentioned is considered the biggest price to pay for sides...
In reality that should be the least concerning thing
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I like the dementia...like being high as fuck 24/7....no come down, no hangover..you're just a little insane is all. it's not that bad once you get over the stigma. and EVERYONE telling you..."you should get anger management..." blah, blah blah...anger this motherfucker....STFU or I'm going to crush your skull into paste with toaster oven....my temper is fine.
WHAT ??!!??!!!
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Its a love hate relationship hahaha!
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Will make you big and strong as fu-ck but will kill your dick!
Never had that issue with tren.
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Tren year round wouldn't be ideal
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Will make you big and strong as fu-ck but will kill your dick!
that's so odd, tren makes my dick come alive more than any other compound. my gf looks forward to it like it's christmas time.
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Never had that issue with tren.
I've heard this over and over and over in the powerlifting world and my own personal experiences
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Tren is great but I highly recommend it in no more then 6-8 weeks tops and then get far far away from it for awhile. You couple this with 750-1000 mg of test a week you become an instant monster!!!
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A bunch of posts and not one mention of health and real long term issues that might come up.
This proves my point. Gym rats dont care anymore about being safe
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A bunch of posts and not one mention of health and real long term issues that might come up.
This proves my point. Gym rats dont care anymore about being safe
gonna be 51 in june bud. bp 109/59 resting hr 58-61 bpm
for me, taking precautions and being mindful of your health truly goes without saying, I assume everyone here has a brain.
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gonna be 51 in june bud. bp 109/59 resting hr 58-61 bpm
for me, taking precautions and being mindful of your health truly goes without saying, I assume everyone here has a brain.
That bp is nice. What line of work you in? Im stressed often which has me around 132/70 often
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http://www.ergo-log.com/trenbolone-users-who-smoke-more-likely-to-get-cancer.html
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You can thank gh15.
Trens not so bad. I never had any issues other than acne and terrible cardio from it. Ideally use it in 3 month blasts no longer than that tho. I like test and masteron better than test and tren tho.
Great year round to run 1cc tedt and mast if you dont have issues with mpb.
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That bp is nice. What line of work you in? Im stressed often which has me around 132/70 often
that's on tren and test prop...NO bs whatsoever.
cardio cardio cardio. hard cardio, not walking on a treadmill. hard biking for me.
132/70 won't have many docs alarmed, it's a bit high but not "holy fuck!"
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A bunch of posts and not one mention of health and real long term issues that might come up.
This proves my point. Gym rats dont care anymore about being safe
Not necessarily. All of them can have very bad sides. Honestly feel the best on tren then any other. Felt awful on higer test (500mg to 750mg). In fact even on lower doses then that not a huge fan of test. Never did extensive blood work but will start now that nearing 30. I know bp has been fine on tren. Felt lethargic/piglike on higher test or deca.
None of these compounds are necessarily "safe". Individually based. Tren sides are overrated, IMO.
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I've heard this over and over and over in the powerlifting world and my own personal experiences
Maybe different in powerlifting world but hear the opposite mostly in bbing world (as long as estrogen is under control). Assuming a lot of pl's might not run ai as don't mind being puffier as aids in strength?
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I see a lot of guys especially because of gh15 running grams of tren. A lot of them are using it year round too. Who know what's going to happen.
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A bunch of posts and not one mention of health and real long term issues that might come up.
This proves my point. Gym rats dont care anymore about being safe
I perform regular blood tests. After like 3 months on tren my results came back close to perfect. I guess genetics determine of how bad it may be. And that was a legit shit, the best there is.
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I haven't used Tren in a while. Just not worth it anymore. Can't sleep and the terrible cough you can get when you inject it along with dark colored urine. As I have gotten older, I am trying to stick with as many compounds I can still get in pharm grade or true vet grade form. Test, Deca, Dbol, Anadrol, Winstrol. The quality of "generic" raw materials in China seems to have gotten worse over the last year.
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Anyone want some Trenbowlin?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6_5gXgXOeh8
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I've just finished an 8 week stack involving some tren ace within a rip blend.
My thoughts:
Good - Strength, lean gains, no acne, no aromatisation, hardness, libido.
Bad - Lethargy, loss of appetite, piss like rust, slight paranoia, night sweats.
Like someone else in the thread said, it's a love/hate thing, gotta take the good with the bad.
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It might be dangerous in some ways, safer in others. Dose dependent etc etc.
check this out Thong:
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Apr;300(4):E650-60. doi: 10.1152/ajpendo.00440.2010. Epub 2011 Jan 25.
17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone) exhibits tissue selective anabolic activity: effects on muscle, bone, adiposity, hemoglobin, and prostate.
Yarrow JF1, Conover CF, McCoy SC, Lipinska JA, Santillana CA, Hance JM, Cannady DF, VanPelt TD, Sanchez J, Conrad BP, Pingel JE, Wronski TJ, Borst SE.
Author information
Abstract
Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone, trenbolone does not undergo tissue-specific 5α-reduction to form more potent androgens. We tested the hypothesis that trenbolone-enanthate (TREN) might prevent orchiectomy-induced losses in muscle and bone and visceral fat accumulation without increasing prostate mass or resulting in adverse hemoglobin elevations. Male F344 rats aged 3 mo underwent orchiectomy or remained intact and were administered graded doses of TREN, supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate, or vehicle for 29 days. In both intact and orchiectomized animals, all TREN doses and supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate augmented androgen-sensitive levator ani/bulbocavernosus muscle mass by 35-40% above shams (P ≤ 0.001) and produced a dose-dependent partial protection against orchiectomy-induced total and trabecular bone mineral density losses (P < 0.05) and visceral fat accumulation (P < 0.05). The lowest doses of TREN successfully maintained prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations at sham levels in both intact and orchiectomized animals, whereas supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate and high-dose TREN elevated prostate mass by 84 and 68%, respectively (P < 0.01). In summary, low-dose administration of the non-5α-reducible androgen TREN maintains prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations near the level of shams while producing potent myotrophic actions in skeletal muscle and partial protection against orchiectomy-induced bone loss and visceral fat accumulation. Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy.
For me, the mood effects are the most troublesome. Like a dark cloud constantly hanging over you. Higher doses cause severe lethargy. Night sweats aren't too fun either, nor the heavy breathing.
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I've just finished an 8 week stack involving some tren ace within a rip blend.
My thoughts:
Good - Strength, lean gains, no acne, no aromatisation, hardness, libido.
Bad - Lethargy, loss of appetite, piss like rust, slight paranoia, night sweats.
Like someone else in the thread said, it's a love/hate thing, gotta take the good with the bad.
Love the night sweats. I sometimes wonder if I pissed myself, hahaha. Always on edge is hard. Sometimes the dumbest shit makes you want to snap someone's neck
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I like the dementia...like being high as fuck 24/7....no come down, no hangover..you're just a little insane is all. it's not that bad once you get over the stigma. and EVERYONE telling you..."you should get anger management..." blah, blah blah...anger this motherfucker....STFU or I'm going to crush your skull into paste with toaster oven....my temper is fine.
WHAT ??!!??!!!
I get the anger but only when provoked like the fat bitches at work that want to argue with me about being in shape. Or the douche at the gym.
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This is an interesting thread for me. 100% serious.
I confess I'm out of the loop on modern BB drug use.
I knew what tren was and that's about it.
Interesting to read how it works on a practical level.
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It might be dangerous in some ways, safer in others. Dose dependent etc etc.
check this out Thong:
For me, the mood effects are the most troublesome. Like a dark cloud constantly hanging over you. Higher doses cause severe lethargy. Night sweats aren't too fun either, nor the heavy breathing.
The dark cloud. I feel yeah. I just feel bleak. Don't want to talk much. Just feel that things around me are shit.
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Love the night sweats. I sometimes wonder if I pissed myself, hahaha. Always on edge is hard. Sometimes the dumbest shit makes you want to snap someone's neck
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the worst for me is when you do let someone have it and you hear the shit coming outr of your mouth...pure fucking evil . I have control but when someone gets it, man do they fkng get it.....LOL
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the worst for me is when you do let someone have it and you hear the shit coming outr of your mouth...pure fucking evil . I have control but when someone gets it, man do they fkng get it.....LOL
This. Ive said some fucking ridiculously hurtful things to people that I still regret to this day when I was on it
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The dark cloud. I feel yeah. I just feel bleak. Don't want to talk much. Just feel that things around me are shit.
And what kind of life is that it's pure shit and torture. I'd rather use Npp and masteron.
I gave it up after being at the most beautiful restaurant ever gorgeous weather right on the water. Was with the love of my life. I was miserable that day depressed bad from the tren. I had enough after that. It was the last straw. I didn't even look that good. I look better with test and mast.
Haven't touched the poisen in 5 years. It got me up to 230 in conjunction with high test I was a fat water fountain. I got way leaner using moderate test high Npp low masteron. Way lighter but really conditioned.
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This. Ive said some fucking ridiculously hurtful things to people that I still regret to this day when I was on it
Yup Tren has it's pros and cons.
a nice PRO is it is "diet forgiveness" in a bottle. i eat clean, know what I'm doing...but if i fuck up and eat half a pizza one fat ass Sunday....Tren picks up the slack like it never happened. you wake up the next day full and vascular. But the coupon expires after one cheat day...do it again the next day and you're fucked LOL
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Yup Tren has it's pros and cons.
a nice PRO is it is "diet forgiveness" in a bottle. i eat clean, know what I'm doing...but if i fuck up and eat half a pizza one fat ass Sunday....Tren picks up the slack like it never happened. you wake up the next day full and vascular. But the coupon expires after one cheat day...do it again the next day and you're fucked LOL
Indeed. I actually kind of feel like junk food is necessary on it, really gotta feed myself around the clock to keep my muscles full when Im on a nice dose of tren a....if I don't I get kind of flat and I feel it makes me worse than running just regular test/eq or something. Sure Im more separated but Im not competing so I can't ever justify sacrificing fullness for a bit more detail.
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Sounds magical. Im a huge beta so i doubt id rage or anything or act immature or have outbursts on it
The cancer and neuro damage is what REALLY makes me step back. No one really seems to care about those two sides for some reason
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This. Ive said some fucking ridiculously hurtful things to people that I still regret to this day when I was on it
Strange, you've claimed "natty" in other threads...
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tren is the best results
but for me the sides dnt justify it
no sleep whats so ever
sweating through my clothes
anxiety and a trigger hair temper
doesnt add up for me
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Sounds magical. Im a huge beta so i doubt id rage or anything or act immature or have outbursts on it
The cancer and neuro damage is what REALLY makes me step back. No one really seems to care about those two sides for some reason
Seriuosly TM...if you dig through enough reseacrh you can find "tests" that show Ivory Soap gives you cancer
and I'd bet Ivory Soap has been tested more on athletes than tren Ace
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Tren is wonderful and everyone should use it :)
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That bp is nice. What line of work you in? Im stressed often which has me around 132/70 often
Nothing wrong with those numbers
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The latest thing that I have read about low dosage testosterone replacement is that it can change the viscosity of the blood making it thicker in some users that increases the risk of heart attacks. What can an androgenic anabolic steroid like tren do that is many times over what HRT dose is?
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The latest thing that I have read about low dosage testosterone replacement is that it can change the viscosity of the blood making it thicker in some users that increases the risk of heart attacks. What can an androgenic anabolic steroid like tren do that is many times over what HRT dose is?
not be a wiseass, but where is it written you must megadose? i take 200mg tren with 150 mg test prop weekly.
i get that you are anti-drug, but most of us mature guys aren't meathead idiots and use sensible amounts. low dosage FTW
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not be a wiseass, but where is it written you must megadose? i take 200mg tren with 150 mg test prop weekly.
i get that you are anti-drug, but most of us mature guys aren't meathead idiots and use sensible amounts. low dosage FTW
80% of "oldtimers" posts are raging on juicers. It's his raison d'être at Getbig.
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Yup Tren has it's pros and cons.
a nice PRO is it is "diet forgiveness" in a bottle. i eat clean, know what I'm doing...but if i fuck up and eat half a pizza one fat ass Sunday....Tren picks up the slack like it never happened. you wake up the next day full and vascular. But the coupon expires after one cheat day...do it again the next day and you're fucked LOL
That's when u introduce yourself to GH a long with tren
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what you guys think is anger is fear. stop living in fear and blaming it on tren. man up if you can't handle it and add prami
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Sounds magical. Im a huge beta so i doubt id rage or anything or act immature or have outbursts on it
The cancer and neuro damage is what REALLY makes me step back. No one really seems to care about those two sides for some reason
Amazing strength gains and allows you to stay lean eating shit. Far from the best steroid for gaining muscle. The guys who claim they got big on tren are stacking it with other shit. take 750mg test for 10 weeks vs 150mg tren ace ed for 10 weeks, the guy on test will gain way more muscle.
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what you guys think is anger is fear. stop living in fear and blaming it on tren. man up if you can't handle it and add prami
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It might be dangerous in some ways, safer in others. Dose dependent etc etc.
check this out Thong:
For me, the mood effects are the most troublesome. Like a dark cloud constantly hanging over you. Higher doses cause severe lethargy. Night sweats aren't too fun either, nor the heavy breathing.
The SARM-like characteristics are interesting, but the androgen binding factor of tren is still strong, somewhere around 500. AFAIK, there isn't a SARM on the market yet with a strong anabolic factor AND a decent half-life.
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Amazing strength gains and allows you to stay lean eating shit. Far from the best steroid for gaining muscle. The guys who claim they got big on tren are stacking it with other shit. take 750mg test for 10 weeks vs 150mg tren ace ed for 10 weeks, the guy on test will gain way more muscle.
You mean he will blow up with more water.
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You mean he will blow up with more water.
LOL, exactly
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most yall sound like real pussies in this thread
EMBRACE THE HATE
EMBRACE THE PAIN
EMBRACE IT
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Sadly now fina and comp TH are discontinued I'm done with tren. One pack of fina left for old times sake
I'd never use UG mystery filth and don't feel like taking a risk with china powder so no more tren for me :-[
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You mean he will blow up with more water.
if 750mg test has to "blow up with water" then sorry man, ya got to revamp your way of doing things.
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You mean he will blow up with more water.
Tren does not increase protein synthesis like test does, it decreases protein breakdown which makes it the ultimate anti catabolic. Sure The guy on tren may look bigger due to more cuts and lower bf but he will not gain more muscle. IDK about cows but the whole reason they give those fucking bulls estrogen is because bulls don't gain any weight by itself with tren without being stacked with estrogen. Tren increase the sensitivity of satellite cells to IGF-1, but without estrogen (which is why you should use it with test) there is no IGF increase.,,, when you look at the mechanism for tren truly builds muscle and how test builds muscle you will see it has limited gaining potential. All it does is make the other shit your using more effective, on its own its garbage. Take halo your strength will increase faster
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Tren does not increase protein synthesis like test does, it decreases protein breakdown which makes it the ultimate anti catabolic. Sure The guy on tren may look bigger due to more cuts and lower bf but he will not gain more muscle. IDK about cows but the whole reason they give those fucking bulls estrogen is because bulls don't gain any weight by itself with tren without being stacked with estrogen. Tren increase the sensitivity of satellite cells to IGF-1, but without estrogen (which is why you should use it with test) there is no IGF increase.,,, when you look at the mechanism for tren truly builds muscle and how test builds muscle you will see it has limited gaining potential. All it does is make the other shit your using more effective, on its own its garbage. Take halo your strength will increase faster
Good post. People forget that estrogen plays an important role in building muscle. Plus why I recommend not using any anti-e's unless you have to in order to prevent gyno. Most of the powerful muscle building compounds, test, dbol, deca, anadrol etc either convert to various forms of estrogen, progesterone, or act somehow on the estrogen receptors in theory in the case of anadrol.
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Id be much more worried about the long term problems of elevated prolactin than tren causing heart issues. Damaged eyesight being the scariest one....
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i used the hell out of it back in the day...but then i was the only guy using it...now everyone is on the tren bandwagon...I'm way too aggressive and confrontational to ever do tren again
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I won't use it anymore because it jacks up my blood work really badly.
Most of the long time AAS users i know either love it or hate it.
For me, the pros don't outweight the cons.
I need my sanity and sleep.
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There's no reason to use tren. It sucks compared to test.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=569313.0
But...
I don't know there is any National/Pro competitor who stay with it year round...