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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: affeman on April 13, 2015, 05:54:43 AM
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There were 2 boothes of "Fitness-Youtubers", all of em with several 100k followers on social media, who were tearing down the house over 4 days. 100000s young people were gathering around those 2 boothes from morning till night to get pics for their FB or IG with those guys and girls, while they were making party up there.
That's one booth:
That's the other (u can check out videos it was insane what was going on there):
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/191053/normal_DSC_8397~3.jpg)
Guys like Ronnie Coleman, Kai Greene or Phil Heath were standing alone at their booth while noone gave a shit about them over 4 days, while guys like Levrone, Wheeler, Cormier or Johnnie Jackson remained completely anonymous anyways. The only guy on that Expo who cared about Pro Bodybuilders taking pictures and interviewing them was Palumbo, who was regarded by most visitors as a strange circus freak.
Ronnie Coleman was training at a local gym in Cologne at night completely alone, noone approached him or gave a shit about him. When a couple of "Youtubers" came in the crowds were going nuts within seconds, and circled around them to an extent they weren't even able to train anymore.
Old guys like Markus Ruhl said in interviews they have no clue what's going on here, they have had their days.
Trust me, within 5 years the "Competitive sport" Bodybuilding as we know will be dead. There won't be contests or competitions anymore, only people in the gyms filming themselves for Youtube. I doubt than any of the pros will return to FIBO next year :D
Who? :'( :'( :D
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Who? :'( :'( :D
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Who? :'( :'( :D
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Who? :'( :'( :D
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Bodybuilding is dead, those are internet millionaires and the future of our sport, whether you like it or not. :)
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A couple of guys from my gym went to that pathetic circus. I've heard the Fibo Pro was canceled.. LOL, WTF?
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It's age. We don't realize it, because most of us are 30s and 40s... but the people in their early 20s look at Wheeler and Levrone and they see old bald dudes they've never heard of. They never had FLEX mag coming in the mail every month, they never sat nervously wondering who was going to take the crown in 98 (?) when Dorian retired and the title was up for grabs.
Generation selfie has a hard time "liking" anyone over 35. The old school champs get ignored, and some duck-face idiot taking selfies and making crazy faces while benching 225 on his heavy sets gets all their love.
We see it in other areas. Younger folks on the beach will spend all night watching a shitty cover band of stoned 20 year olds... and they'll walk right past a group of 50 year olds showing insane playing and the most talent they'd ever have a chance to witness.
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I've heard the Fibo Pro was canceled.. LOL, WTF?
Cause nobody gives a fuck about a pro contest, but if a "Fitness-Youtuber" who works out for 2 years takes his shirt off at his booth, 10000 boys and girls go nuts.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAA can you imagine how all those pros at the EXPO, attention whores who were used to be the center of attention everywhere they go, must feel now :D
A lotta people have massively underestimated the power of Social Media. Welcome to 2015, noone gives a flying fuck whether u won this or that pro contest or are World Champion of 2007.
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Oh, and HAIL to the king who made all of this possible: ;)
(http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/453583144940478464/YXPHwoQH.jpeg)
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Cause nobody gives a fuck about a pro contest, but if a "Fitness-Youtuber" who works out for 2 years takes his shirt off at his booth, 10000 boys and girls go nuts.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAA can you imagine how all those pros at the EXPO, attention whores who were used to be the center of attention everywhere they go, must feel now :D
A lotta people have massively underestimated the power of Social Media. Welcome to 2015, noone gives a flying fuck whether u won this or that pro contest or are World Champion of 2007.
I'm afraid that you're spot on here.. Those gym buddies hardly follow pro bodybuilding (Dexter who?, Cedric who?...) They only know Jay & Ronnie ::)
I've warned them before that Fibo is a pathetic circus, where whores give you free supps and where you have to wait for at least an hour to shake hands with <name of a pro>, but LOL, who listens to me? :D
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There were 2 boothes of "Fitness-Youtubers", all of em with several 100k followers on social media, who were tearing down the house over 4 days. 100000s young people were gathering around those 2 boothes from morning till night to get pics for their FB or IG with those guys and girls, while they were making party up there.
That's one booth:
That's the other (u can check out videos it was insane what was going on there):
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/191053/normal_DSC_8397~3.jpg)
Guys like Ronnie Coleman, Kai Greene or Phil Heath were standing alone at their booth while noone gave a shit about them over 4 days, while guys like Levrone, Wheeler, Cormier or Johnnie Jackson remained completely anonymous anyways. The only guy on that Expo who cared about Pro Bodybuilders taking pictures and interviewing them was Palumbo, who was regarded by most visitors as a strange circus freak.
Ronnie Coleman was training at a local gym in Cologne at night completely alone, noone approached him or gave a shit about him. When a couple of "Youtubers" came in the crowds were going nuts within seconds, and circled around them to an extent they weren't even able to train anymore.
Old guys like Markus Ruhl said in interviews they have no clue what's going on here, they have had their days.
Trust me, within 5 years the "Competitive sport" Bodybuilding as we know will be dead. There won't be contests or competitions anymore, only people in the gyms filming themselves for Youtube. I doubt than any of the pros will return to FIBO next year :D
That's not how bodybuilding was in the 80s
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sign of the times. it's the same in my gym, no young kids are bodybuilding. None. It's all figure, fitness, physique. Though when you look to the bodybuilding side I would rather the kids be into that than Rich Piana. I feel fortunate to have been around when we had Haney, Labrada and other men of that caliber. I look at social media in disgust the same way my parents looked at me listening to Motley Crüe, etc.
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Oh, and HAIL to the king who made all of this possible: ;)
(http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/453583144940478464/YXPHwoQH.jpeg)
In all seriousness, this dude probably did spearhead the revolution. Crazy.
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In all seriousness, this dude probably did spearhead the revolution. Crazy.
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POG > Phil Heath
Seriously!
And I'm in my 30s, grew up watching Ray and company but bbing is bullshit today. Functional physiques are the thing now.
Louisiana representing 8)
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surface deep (de)-generation, fame a value in and of itself.
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And all of them are natural
Amazing.
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BOOTHES? Why the 'E'?
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Oh Lord haha!!!
One thing is good! Nice slim bodies are popular! Dosent need Dennis James pro cycle tips to make it! :D
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Can u spot the Hater?? (U Mad?? U Mirin Bro?? ;D ;D)
(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11137832_1427732977528777_171594825_n.jpg)
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Can u spot the Hater?? (U Mad?? U Mirin Bro?? ;D ;D)
(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11137832_1427732977528777_171594825_n.jpg)
CHAOS GOT SHREDDED...
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I think it's a combo of things. Many of the Social Media "champs" and followers don't want to put in the time and effort to get to the Pro Level, and many don't want that look. But, they still talk about being "hardcore".
And many don't have the genetics. Also, many in the Pro ranks rely more on drugs than genetics+drugs, and they also have crappy genetics.
Also, Pro bodybuilding now reps the guts, whereas Musclemania and physique reps the kind of physiques that old skool bodybuilding was about---looking "pretty", attracting women.
It's easier to get into physique and bikini, doesn't take as long, a few drugs for some, and bam you can hit a few poses.
But, eventually these guys will start to get bigger, as people want to see something different. It always happens.
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I wouldn't put Phil in that category, he's very active in the social media scene, he knows that what it takes is 4 plates on the incline hammer machine
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I wouldn't put Phil in that category, he's very active in the social media scene, he knows that what it takes is 4 plates on the incline hammer machine
And I'll say this, ain't nobody in the Social Media sphere has genetics like Flex Wheeler.
Most of these people have the "what's hot right now" vibe and have no real staying power. The public is very fickle. On to the next "social media star".
I also wonder how Ulisses booth did?
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Its not hard to understand why these guys are popular. Although they are on drugs, their bodies are more easily attainable by the "average Joe."
Most people dont want to be hardcore competitive bodybuilders. Instead, they want to look good naked, and walk on the beach showing off their bodies. Nothing more. Bodybuilding is not a lifestyle to them.
Being able to relate to someone elses achievements is an important factor for motivation. You can't relate to Ronnie Coleman, but you can relate more to a physique competitor.
This is what most men want to look like
(http://www.literallylean.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/physique-competition.jpg)
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Its not hard to understand why these guys are popular. Although they are on drugs, their bodies are more easily attainable by the "average Joe."
Most people dont want to be hardcore competitive bodybuilders. Instead, they want to look good naked, and walk on the beach showing off their bodies. Nothing more. Bodybuilding is not a lifestyle to them.
Being able to relate to someone elses achievements is an important factor for motivation. You can't relate to Ronnie Coleman, but you can relate more to a physique competitor.
This is what most men want to look like
(http://www.literallylean.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/physique-competition.jpg)
Quite true. And if they are "rewarded" by women, it's even better. It's what attracts the women.
But, the you will have those who want to be different, and bigger is different. Then others follow.
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Quite true. And if they are "rewarded" by women, it's even better. It's what attracts the women.
But, the you will have those who want to be different, and bigger is different. Then others follow.
Still attracts schmoes more
Average girls are attracted to some one like a mark walhberg type physique when he was doing Calvin Klein ads
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Quite true. And if they are "rewarded" by women, it's even better. It's what attracts the women.
But, the you will have those who want to be different, and bigger is different. Then others follow.
Yes, others will follow the likes of Ronnie Colemans size, but its rare.
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surface deep (de)-generation, fame a value in and of itself.
If they're gravitating towards fitness and away from pro-bodybuilding, that's a good thing.
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Its not hard to understand why these guys are popular. Although they are on drugs, their bodies are more easily attainable by the "average Joe."
Most people dont want to be hardcore competitive bodybuilders. Instead, they want to look good naked, and walk on the beach showing off their bodies. Nothing more. Bodybuilding is not a lifestyle to them.
Being able to relate to someone elses achievements is an important factor for motivation. You can't relate to Ronnie Coleman, but you can relate more to a physique competitor.
This is what most men want to look like
The look is absolutely secondary for the "Youtube"-heroes, there are probably douzens of guys on getbig with a better body. The main point is they're not introvert, boring or lame fucks. They got a big mouth, have fun in life with a decent built and film every second of their lives with a cam and share it with their 100000s followers. When young people see them at the Expo they got the feeling like they're meeting old friends, as they are "with them" each and everyday and know what they did any day of the past year.
A massive IFBB-Pro standing at his booth bored with a bitter face noone gives a shit about. Bodybuilding missed the social media train entirely, and now the bill comes in.
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I think in a way its also the same fate Nautilus gyms had. Everyone thought "Wow I gotta do is use these new exotic machines & I'll look like Casey Viator". Once reality set in that Nautilus machine's are much harder than barbell exercises and instilled a much deeper state of fatigue (pain) the general public being weak little pussies that they are said "Forget this" & moved on to the next "get built quick & painless" fad.
Pro bodybuilders like Platz, Haney, Yates, Viator, etc., busted they're asses to get they're god-like physiques. The little kiddy punks don't/can't work ^ THAT hard so they play some mind game w/ themselves to rationalize w/ this "fitness" bullshit for not having the genes or kohonas to work hard.
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The look is absolutely secondary for the "Youtube"-heroes, there are probably douzens of guys on getbig with a better body. The main point is they're not introvert, boring or lame fucks. They got a big mouth, have fun in life with a decent built and film every second of their lives with a cam and share it with their 100000s followers. When young people see them at the Expo they got the feeling like they're meeting old friends, as they are "with them" each and everyday and know what they did any day of the past year.
A massive IFBB-Pro standing at his booth bored with a bitter face noone gives a shit about. Bodybuilding missed the social media train entirely, and now the bill comes in.
Well, thats the thing: When youre preparing for the MR. O, you probably cant go out partying like the other guys. All you can do is either film yourself grocery shopping or lifting weights. Other than that, their lives are pretty boring. Even if pro bodybuilders used social media to document their lives, how exciting would it be? Most of it would be eating, sleeping, buying food and training. :-\ :-\
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It's age. We don't realize it, because most of us are 30s and 40s... but the people in their early 20s look at Wheeler and Levrone and they see old bald dudes they've never heard of. They never had FLEX mag coming in the mail every month, they never sat nervously wondering who was going to take the crown in 98 (?) when Dorian retired and the title was up for grabs.
Generation selfie has a hard time "liking" anyone over 35. The old school champs get ignored, and some duck-face idiot taking selfies and making crazy faces while benching 225 on his heavy sets gets all their love.
We see it in other areas. Younger folks on the beach will spend all night watching a shitty cover band of stoned 20 year olds... and they'll walk right past a group of 50 year olds showing insane playing and the most talent they'd ever have a chance to witness.
Great post and sums it up quite well. LOL, "over 35" when I'm now over 55, so I really don't relate to the young selfie crowd.
I'm going to stay positive and hope for the best when it comes to bodybuilding.
If nothing else we can do our own thing in the gym, go to real BB contests and avoid posting stupid duck faced gym selfies. :D
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The kids are right: much better to look like a very fit 6 ft 3 fitness dude, than to resemble a bloated pregnant 5 ft 6 G4P guy in a thong
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The kids are right: much better to look like a very fit 6 ft 3 fitness dude, than to resemble a bloated pregnant 5 ft 6 G4P guy in a thong
The key is not just the different look, the Aesthetics/Zyzz-like guys have fun in life. They go out, party, bang hot chicks, and still have a great built. The life of a competitive BB is miserable (eating, sleeping, injecting, isolation...).
Wasn't you intention when u started working out to have a better, more fun life than a miserable one? Maybe the trend isn't too bad.
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The key is not just the different look, the Aesthetics/Zyzz-like guys have fun in life. They go out, party, bang hot chicks, and still have a great built. The life of a competitive BB is miserable (eating, sleeping, injecting, isolation...).
Wasn't you intention when u started working out to have a better, more fun life than a miserable one? Maybe the trend isn't too bad.
Here is the thing, Zyzzz needed the body to do it. He wasn't popular, wasn't anything until he hopped on the gas.
People want to be around a winner. The thing is, many a social media star is about the image of being a winner. Accomplish nothing, yet make people believe that you are something. And that is attractive to folks who want the fantasy, yet don't want to put in the time. And many were introverts and some still are, they just either got the body and became extroverts or they still are.
Remember what Dorian said? If still holds true, "you can take a insecure 140 pound man and build him up to 240 pounds, but he still is an insecure man." Same thing, just not as extreme a weight gain.
And if women like it, men will do it. If it attracts attention from women, more men will do it. If something attracts more attention from men, more women will do it.
Social media has allowed the chaff to feel like the wheat.
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Can u spot the Hater?? (U Mad?? U Mirin Bro?? ;D ;D)
(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11137832_1427732977528777_171594825_n.jpg)
'Beauty and the baldie'...
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Still attracts schmoes more
Average girls are attracted to some one like a mark walhberg type physique when he was doing Calvin Klein ads
true. The plus is that more people are getting fit. The minus is of course the drug usage---the short cut to get there. More people will go that route. Which could mean higher demand for said drugs, which could mean a bigger market, and possibly better quality drugs (?).
Also, this goes hand in hand with gen X and Gen Y narcissism, making ourselves (themselves) into real life demigods.
But, this all this has it's roots in bodybuilding. If Jim Manion and the judges were smart, they would have stopped rewarding the gut-monsters yrs ago. And rewarded more svelte waisted phyisques, and marketed them in social media more. Instead of the freak factor.
Get IFBB and Musclemania together or have Phil and Ulisses in a booth together and YouTube vids as well.
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What we all should do since we have a lot of interesting characters on getbig is to start a getbig channel documenting our lives and film every bit of it
With our vast knowledge of cars, nutrition, Wall Street stocks, flipping tires, UFC fighting skills, limo services, picking up hoes, electricity, bit coins, basile business savvyness, we can be unstoppable on social media
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What we all should do since we have a lot of interesting characters on getbig is to start a getbig channel documenting our lives and film every bit of it
With our vast knowledge of cars, nutrition, Wall Street stocks, flipping tires, UFC fighting skills, limo services, picking up hoes, electricity, bit coins, basile business savvyness, we can be unstoppable on social media
Would be hilarious. And actually Joon could be useful. He can have one of "lady friends" be around and interview and let it just be a chaotic scene of Getbiggery.
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Bodybuilding ain't dead! It's just changing! And has a new name!
A name that may be more appeasing to the general public and definitely more inviting to physique contenders.
PARKER, I agree with your statement above.....
Except for a small part of one comment concerning Manion's "late decision" to initiate this new Physique Decision.
I don't have any accurate or inside details on the NPC's decision to sanction physique events .... but it was a damn smart decision even though it was a few years late in coming.
Buy it did come! And that's what counts!
But I think that there were some pretty valid reasons for 'being a bit late'.
And here are some guesses why.........
First of all I find it interesting to see a large number of changes have been made since the passing of Joe Weider. Changes that have immensely increased the number of NPC and IFBB competitors within both the NPC amateur and IFBB pro ranks.
I don't know what Joe had in mind but it was somewhat apparent that he limited the number of IFBB pros to a small enough number just large enough to accommodate the small number of IFBB promoted events while he was in charge.
But it is somewhat interesting that Jim and a handful of others made that change when the door was open to do so.
Soon enough it became evident that other sanctioning bodies such as MuscleMania and WBBF were drawing a decent number of 'smaller bodybuilders' who would eventually become the future physique contenders and it became apparent to some wise NPC honchos that it was time to hop on the bandwagon .... which turned out to be a very wise decision as I am seeing it.
And also of prime importance is the fact that most of the general public takes offense when it comes to the world of professional bodybuildings and what it has turned out to be today.
It was definitely time for some sort of change .... and the NPC officials made a wise decision when the opportunity arose to do so.
And it now appears that millions of young folk are motivated to get in shape and look their best.
And that is where physique and physique competitions come into play.
I bet'cha that professional bodybuilding comps will be with us for many years to come but Physique events will be the real money makers for everyone involved ... The NPC, the IFBB, the magazines, the internet, the supplement industry, etc. .... but just a handful of the physique contenders .... but a bigger handful than the handful of IFBB pros making the big bucks today.
But only time will tell.
Give it a year or two and we'll know for sure.
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i was there on sunday.
it was harsh lol
there were standing 5 people at the booth with shawn rhoden, maxx charles and brandon curry. i waited like 3 mins to take a pic with them
then there was the "gym aesthetics", "shape you" phaggotry booth where like 150 people were standing around cheering and shouting...
you have to admit the youtubers did a GREAT job in promoting themselves. partying, doing fun shit, literally throwing thousands of 1 serving booster packages around, shirts, protein bars etc. while the IFBB pros did basically nothing but sitting there and nearly falling asleep.
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i was there on sunday.
it was harsh lol
there were standing 5 people at the booth with shawn rhoden, maxx charles and brandon curry. i waited like 3 mins to take a pic with them
then there was the "gym aesthetics", "shape you" phaggotry booth where like 150 people were standing around cheering and shouting...
you have to admit the youtubers did a GREAT job in promoting themselves. partying, doing fun shit, literally throwing thousands of 1 serving booster packages around, shirts, protein bars etc. while the IFBB pros did basically nothing but sitting there and nearly falling asleep.
those three should be amped up...all three aesthetics...and they should join in with the youtubers have fun with them.
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i was there on sunday.
it was harsh lol
there were standing 5 people at the booth with shawn rhoden, maxx charles and brandon curry. i waited like 3 mins to take a pic with them
then there was the "gym aesthetics", "shape you" phaggotry booth where like 150 people were standing around cheering and shouting...
you have to admit the youtubers did a GREAT job in promoting themselves. partying, doing fun shit, literally throwing thousands of 1 serving booster packages around, shirts, protein bars etc. while the IFBB pros did basically nothing but sitting there and nearly falling asleep.
I'm sure Phil and jays booth was packed as far as bbers go, I believe guys like curry or rhoden nobody gives a shit about haha
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It's age. We don't realize it, because most of us are 30s and 40s... but the people in their early 20s look at Wheeler and Levrone and they see old bald dudes they've never heard of. They never had FLEX mag coming in the mail every month, they never sat nervously wondering who was going to take the crown in 98 (?) when Dorian retired and the title was up for grabs.
Generation selfie has a hard time "liking" anyone over 35. The old school champs get ignored, and some duck-face idiot taking selfies and making crazy faces while benching 225 on his heavy sets gets all their love.
We see it in other areas. Younger folks on the beach will spend all night watching a shitty cover band of stoned 20 year olds... and they'll walk right past a group of 50 year olds showing insane playing and the most talent they'd ever have a chance to witness.
Some spot on shit.
But look at the fuckin' homo's all squeezed in like chicks at a Beiber concert to get pics of those dudes???
What the fuckin' hell is this shit??? This is not normal.
Meh, fuck em. They don't wanna be associated with my old ass and the feelin' is beyond mutual...
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I can't stand all this "bro" shit.
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I'm sure Phil and jays booth was packed as far as bbers go, I believe guys like curry or rhoden nobody gives a shit about haha
Well, if Brandon "The Prototype" Curry actually got into shape and won a show on American soil, maybe they may give a damn. Also if "Sleepy" Rhoden had some back detail as well.
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also gotta remember this is Germany were talking about.......David Haselhoff was a god over there and #1 selling musician.
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Some spot on shit.
But look at the fuckin' homo's all squeezed in like chicks at a Beiber concert to get pics of those dudes???
What the fuckin' hell is this shit??? This is not normal.
Meh, fuck em. They don't wanna be associated with my old ass and the feelin' is beyond mutual...
Its the same deal with bbing contests. Grown men cheering for other men...
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Who wants to look like bodybuilders? ok some of us did but the amount of drugs for years and being uncomfortable at that weight is unappealing. To the general public they all look the same, there's always something new on social media.
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Its the same deal with bbing contests. Grown men cheering for other men...
Nope, not the same. This is way gayer, these dudes attending seem like some real gay ass groupies, this is very unhetero like, lost for words man.
A product of generation fail and then some.
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Can u spot the Hater?? (U Mad?? U Mirin Bro?? ;D ;D)
(http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11137832_1427732977528777_171594825_n.jpg)
Very beautiful face of that girl. Who's she?
About all that - yes, times are changing. I find it hilarious that these retired/current pros are standing there trying to sell the snake oil, while being amused by these "twinks" and their fame haha... it's really funny.
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Very beautiful face of that girl. Who's she?
About all that - yes, times are changing. I find it hilarious that these retired/current pros are standing there trying to sell the snake oil, while being amused by these "twinks" and their fame haha... it's really funny.
Particularly guys like levrone, talk about bad luck. Going up against physique and YouTube guys where guys like Matt ogus, Jeff said, have ten times the amount of "fame" and more recognized than some "legends" of bbing
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Well, if Brandon "The Prototype" Curry actually got into shape and won a show on American soil, maybe they may give a damn. Also if "Sleepy" Rhoden had some back detail as well.
Again, noone of the younger generation gives a flying fuck about "contest winnings". Doing contests is gay, pumping weights, posting selfies and then going out picking up hoes with your great body is the new thing to do. 8 Time Mr. Olympia Coleman, 4 time Mr. Olympia Phil and 6 Time Mr Olympia Dorian were there and noone paid attention or even reocognized them except some of the old guys (and Palumbo). On the other hand when a 19 yr old Youtuber who trains for 2 years takes off his shirts the crowds were screaming and went nuts.
I'm sure Phil and jays booth was packed as far as bbers go, I believe guys like curry or rhoden nobody gives a shit about haha
No, even Phil and Jay got completely ignored for the most part while the selfie FB generation took over. The pros were sitting alone at their booth like sad, old farts, shocked and flabbergasted about the younger generation.
The bald guy up there is rumored to make about 500k per months by Social Media, Online training and his supplement and clothes stuff, has 350k Youtube followers and 800k FB fans with an average built at best (has probably the worst built of all of em but is the most successfull).
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true. The plus is that more people are getting fit. The minus is of course the drug usage---the short cut to get there. More people will go that route. Which could mean higher demand for said drugs, which could mean a bigger market, and possibly better quality drugs (?).
Also, this goes hand in hand with gen X and Gen Y narcissism, making ourselves (themselves) into real life demigods.
But, this all this has it's roots in bodybuilding. If Jim Manion and the judges were smart, they would have stopped rewarding the gut-monsters yrs ago. And rewarded more svelte waisted phyisques, and marketed them in social media more. Instead of the freak factor.
Get IFBB and Musclemania together or have Phil and Ulisses in a booth together and YouTube vids as well.
no one else to blame for downfall of competitive bodybuilding.
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If they're gravitating towards fitness and away from pro-bodybuilding, that's a good thing.
Yeah Jay Cutler doesn't look so health after 20 years of pro body building. Fitness and functional is the way of the future. Who really wants to die for the bitches anyways?
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also gotta remember this is Germany were talking about.......David Haselhoff was a god over there and #1 selling musician.
End thread.
@Grape ape... What is being refered to as "fitness" has nothing to do with health. Those guys from what we hear are all on tren and shit. They're just not abusing gh and slin.
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Very beautiful face of that girl. Who's she?
https://instagram.com/stephaniedavisfitness/ (https://instagram.com/stephaniedavisfitness/)
https://www.facebook.com/StephanieDavisAustria (https://www.facebook.com/StephanieDavisAustria)
^Think that's her.
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https://instagram.com/stephaniedavisfitness/ (https://instagram.com/stephaniedavisfitness/)
https://www.facebook.com/StephanieDavisAustria (https://www.facebook.com/StephanieDavisAustria)
^Think that's her.
That chick is hot as hell. What is FIBO stand for anyway? Do they even speak English?
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That chick is hot as hell. What is FIBO stand for anyway? Do they even speak English?
Fitness and Bodybuilding as far as I know.
They? The average German citizen? Most young Germans speak at least some English although there are only a few who can actually have a proper conversation.
Most older people barely speak English. It also depends on what city we're talking about... in smaller towns or villages you will have a hard time except for some that get a lot of tourists while
in some of the large cities with lots of international visitors like Munich, Berlin, Frankfurt, Hamburg(...) you should always find someone who has at least basic English skills. There are plenty of pretty large cities
though where it's going to be tough to find your way around without any German. The difference between the Netherlands and Germany in terms of English skills is staggering... while in the Netherlands even most bums and hoodrats speak decent English, it's mostly academics who do in Germany.
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Curious to what the "average" YouTuber makes? I know it's somewhat ads and such but I'm curious? Not the usual millions thrown around but real numbers? Like say a Matt ogus or some others I don't even know the names of?
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Lots of bitter old farts in this thread.
Healthy minded kids are not interested in drug bloated freaks. They are actually the "normal" ones.
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Fitness and Bodybuilding as far as I know.
They? The average German citizen? Most young Germans speak at least some English although there are only a few who can actually have a proper conversation.
Most older people barely speak English. It also depends on what city we're talking about... in smaller towns or villages you will have a hard time except for some that get a lot of tourists while
in some of the large cities with lots of international visitors like Munich, Berlin, Frankfurt, Hamburg(...) you should always find someone who has at least basic English skills. There are plenty of pretty large cities
though where it's going to be tough to find your way around without any German. The difference between the Netherlands and Germany in terms of English skills is staggering... while in the Netherlands even most bums and hoodrats speak decent English, it's mostly academics who do in Germany.
anyone in germany with whats equal to a high school degree in the US speaks fluent english.
if you went to school for 12 years (as its required to go to college here) you have to speak fluent english. of course some dont because theyre retarded.
even the lower degrees have at least 3-4 years of english at school
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Bet lots of heavy accents were thrown around - "dis eez ze noo generation of boodibuildas".
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anyone in germany with whats equal to a high school degree in the US speaks fluent english.
if you went to school for 12 years (as its required to go to college here) you have to speak fluent english. of course some dont because theyre retarded.
even the lower degrees have at least 3-4 years of english at school
No... I went to school in Germany and what you say is just what it SHOULD be but not the reality.
As I said most young people here speak at least some English because they've had it in school for at least 4 years and up to 8-9 years but that does not
mean those people are anywhere close to being fluent in English. Even the majority of those that had it for 8 years and finished with their "Abitur" are not able
to have a fluent conversation - they can read and write on a decent level but they are simply not able to have a proper conversation with a native speaker especially
someone who is not speaking proper "Oxford" English but has some sort of an accent. I've seen it a thousand times really... like when I went on a working holiday to Australia after
finishing school about 60-70% of the backpackers down under were Germans at that time and I was one of the VERY few who could talk fluently.
Just because you had the subject does not mean you're fluent. I know quite a few people who had French in school for 3-5 years and all they can say is stuff like "Hello my name is.." honestly.
I went to France with my girlfriend and she's had it in school for 3 years and she was having a hard time ordering a burger at McDonalds in French. Learning a language in school will usually not make
you a fluent speaker at least not the way it's been taught in Germany. I honestly think the only way of actually mastering a language and speaking it fluently is to live in the country in which that language
is spoken. After 8 years of English in school and living in English-speaking countries for 5 I can have any conversation in English and most people will not notice that I'm not a native speaker but it was the 5 years living abroad that made this happen and not the 8 years in school..and it's still not the same as German to me, still a big difference there.
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well, i have to agree with you, at least partially. youre right with stating that this is how it SHOULD be.
unfortunately i know plenty of people who had english at school for a whopping EIGHT years, yet couldnt even hold a conversation with a native speaker. i study english and german philology (in germany), yet there are plenty of people WHO STUDY ENGLISH and cant even pronounce a "th" properly or even talk to the lecturer without stuttering or using correct grammar, its really sad.
then you see chinese students coming to germany for an exchange year and they have better grammar knowledge than 90% of german natives even though they only had it for 3 years at school, lol
the whole thing might be related to the whole german educational system being retarded though.
pushing more and more people into acquiring the highest school degree and then going to college, even though 50% of them are NOT SUITED for college just doesnt work out to increase educational standards, lol
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I think maybe a lot of this has to do with the death of the magazines. No one buys those shit anymore, everyone is looking for infos online.
You google stuff and you end up looking at those youtube stars channels its just the way it is. People can relate to them, 90% of the people want to look like fitness models not pro bodybuilders. When i started lifting in 09 Zyzz was only known on 4chan and bb.com I really though he had a great physique and i witnessed first hand the fascination he provoked among the young crowd.
Nowadays I dont really find his physique impressive anymore but for the beginers and natty crowd (80% of the gym goers) they all want to be like him.
They are also the most naive crowd easilly lured into buying useless supps.
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I think maybe a lot of this has to do with the death of the magazines. No one buys those shit anymore, everyone is looking for infos online.
You google stuff and you end up looking at those youtube stars channels its just the way it is. People can relate to them, 90% of the people want to look like fitness models not pro bodybuilders. When i started lifting in 09 Zyzz was only known on 4chan and bb.com I really though he had a great physique and i witnessed first hand the fascination he provoked among the young crowd.
Nowadays I dont really find his physique impressive anymore but for the beginers and natty crowd (80% of the gym goers) they all want to be like him.
They are also the most naive crowd easilly lured into buying useless supps.
The standard Supplement:BB booth is a joke.
3 Fat BBers "offseason" standing around emotionless wishing or actually napping
1 BBer actually in shape for a show, eating fish and green beans out of Rubbermaid tins
5-10 35+ year old Strippers "high on life"
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Its not hard to understand why these guys are popular. Although they are on drugs, their bodies are more easily attainable by the "average Joe."
Most people dont want to be hardcore competitive bodybuilders. Instead, they want to look good naked, and walk on the beach showing off their bodies. Nothing more. Bodybuilding is not a lifestyle to them.
Being able to relate to someone elses achievements is an important factor for motivation. You can't relate to Ronnie Coleman, but you can relate more to a physique competitor.
This is what most men want to look like
(http://www.literallylean.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/physique-competition.jpg)
Very true. Bring back the classic physique. Class needs to be started immediately in the NPC.
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That chick is hot as hell. What is FIBO stand for anyway? Do they even speak English?
Here's a "Fitness Youtuber" helping her out backstage. Nice and helpful guy. :)
(U Mad?? :D)
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End thread.
@Grape ape... What is being refered to as "fitness" has nothing to do with health. Those guys from what we hear are all on tren and shit. They're just not abusing gh and slin.
Low dose steroid use is infinitely healthier than pro-bb.
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true. The plus is that more people are getting fit. The minus is of course the drug usage---the short cut to get there. More people will go that route. Which could mean higher demand for said drugs, which could mean a bigger market, and possibly better quality drugs (?).
Also, this goes hand in hand with gen X and Gen Y narcissism, making ourselves (themselves) into real life demigods.
But, this all this has it's roots in bodybuilding. If Jim Manion and the judges were smart, they would have stopped rewarding the gut-monsters yrs ago. And rewarded more svelte waisted phyisques, and marketed them in social media more. Instead of the freak factor.
Get IFBB and Musclemania together or have Phil and Ulisses in a booth together and YouTube vids as well.
The judges are to blame, they set the standard.
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Its not hard to understand why these guys are popular. Although they are on drugs, their bodies are more easily attainable by the "average Joe."
Most people dont want to be hardcore competitive bodybuilders. Instead, they want to look good naked, and walk on the beach showing off their bodies. Nothing more. Bodybuilding is not a lifestyle to them.
Being able to relate to someone elses achievements is an important factor for motivation. You can't relate to Ronnie Coleman, but you can relate more to a physique competitor.
This is what most men want to look like
(http://www.literallylean.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/physique-competition.jpg)
This looks like the gay pride parade in SF
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Bodybuilding ain't dead! It's just changing! And has a new name!
A name that may be more appeasing to the general public and definitely more inviting to physique contenders.
PARKER, I agree with your statement above.....
Except for a small part of one comment concerning Manion's "late decision" to initiate this new Physique Decision.
I don't have any accurate or inside details on the NPC's decision to sanction physique events .... but it was a damn smart decision even though it was a few years late in coming.
Buy it did come! And that's what counts!
But I think that there were some pretty valid reasons for 'being a bit late'.
And here are some guesses why.........
First of all I find it interesting to see a large number of changes have been made since the passing of Joe Weider. Changes that have immensely increased the number of NPC and IFBB competitors within both the NPC amateur and IFBB pro ranks.
I don't know what Joe had in mind but it was somewhat apparent that he limited the number of IFBB pros to a small enough number just large enough to accommodate the small number of IFBB promoted events while he was in charge.
But it is somewhat interesting that Jim and a handful of others made that change when the door was open to do so.
Soon enough it became evident that other sanctioning bodies such as MuscleMania and WBBF were drawing a decent number of 'smaller bodybuilders' who would eventually become the future physique contenders and it became apparent to some wise NPC honchos that it was time to hop on the bandwagon .... which turned out to be a very wise decision as I am seeing it.
And also of prime importance is the fact that most of the general public takes offense when it comes to the world of professional bodybuildings and what it has turned out to be today.
It was definitely time for some sort of change .... and the NPC officials made a wise decision when the opportunity arose to do so.
And it now appears that millions of young folk are motivated to get in shape and look their best.
And that is where physique and physique competitions come into play.
I bet'cha that professional bodybuilding comps will be with us for many years to come but Physique events will be the real money makers for everyone involved ... The NPC, the IFBB, the magazines, the internet, the supplement industry, etc. .... but just a handful of the physique contenders .... but a bigger handful than the handful of IFBB pros making the big bucks today.
But only time will tell.
Give it a year or two and we'll know for sure.
The new world of NPC contests has very little to do with actual BODYBUILDING in terms of numbers.
Having 80% entered in the bikini or MPD isn't promoting bodybuilding.
It's about swimsuit beauty pageants with a little bodybuilding added in.
I don't know or care if it's good or bad. I know one thing for sure ... I'm ONLY into bodybuilding.
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Wait, 2015 made it official?
How about '97 or so, when the GH guts were already being rewarded?
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Oh, and HAIL to the king who made all of this possible: ;)
(http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/453583144940478464/YXPHwoQH.jpeg)
Not a bodybuilder
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Not a bodybuilder
Why not?
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The new world of NPC contests has very little to do with actual BODYBUILDING in terms of numbers.
Having 80% entered in the bikini or MPD isn't promoting bodybuilding.
It's about swimsuit beauty pageants with a little bodybuilding added in.
I don't know or care if it's good or bad. I know one thing for sure ... I'm ONLY into bodybuilding.
100% agree, and I would suggest 2 different shows (or 2 stages), one for the women & 'bermuda-warriors' and one for bodybuilding. It would be a win-win; most of the fans get what they like and the competitors don't have to wait for hours backstage for their rounds.
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How gay am I thinking the board shorts dudes look better than most current pros?
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How gay am I thinking the board shorts dudes look better than most current pros?
I'd say Elton John kind of gay.
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I'd say Elton John kind of gay.
Ok, so we're north of 100%, huh?
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I'd say Elton John kind of gay.
;D
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:D
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OMG!!! This guy's wearing orange underwear. Do you suppose this means he is gay? ;D
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As if any of you thought competitve Bodybuilding was like a mainstream activity anyway
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It was exactly the same at the UK Bodypower last year - hundreds of people (mainly teenage boys) queuing up to see fitness you-tubers that I'd never seen or heard of while most of the IFBB pros were stood around their booths looking bored. Only Ronnie and Kai had long queues.
Not going again this year (or ever again for that matter). As much as I love bodybuilding I feel like I just don't belong in that environment any more.
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was at the bodypower expo in 2013 jam packed with zombies
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Accessible but hardly inspirational to anyone with taste.
They look like guys and in real life they are small boned manlets who preen and simper their way through life.
By and large they are also instantly replaceable commodities as well, so don't get jealous as to the $ they are bringing in.
Only the really big US ones will be making decent money - Hulse, the Repulsive Twins, and hopefully the Broscience guy.
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Why not?
No discipline, didnt compete, took drugs only to show off...a calvin klein model yes, bodybuilder i doubt it
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FIBO POWER Night Session cancelled
02 April 2015
Bad news for all bodybuilding fans and many of you will be disappointed: unfortunately, we had to cancel the FIBO POWER Night Session.
The reason: Some of the athletes struggle to make it to the competition which is why the planned line-up of athletes cannot not be achieved.
Since the FIBO POWER Night Sessions have been the meeting point for the elite of bodybuilding in the past, the organizers decided to cancel the competition in order to protect its heritage.
All those who have already bought a ticket should go to tickets.de in order to obtain a refund of the entry fee. Regardless of this, the ticket you acquired for the FIBO POWER Night Session will grant full access to the FIBO POWER 2015 – free of charge.
http://www.fibo-power.de/fibo_power_night_session_cancelled_54.63.html
Pretty lame excuse, and Dennis James was dead right
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No discipline, didnt compete, took drugs only to show off...a calvin klein model yes, bodybuilder i doubt it
He built his body, though. Not a pro, sure, but I don't see how that's relevant.
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He built his body, though. Not a pro, sure, but I don't see how that's relevant.
Well, that's the difference between a physique & bodybuilding competitor. You're clearly more into the physique look, which is fine.
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Well, that's the difference between a physique & bodybuilding competitor. You're clearly more into the physique look, which is fine.
Was Zane really all that different?
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Good. Bodybuilding should die.
Even natural bodybuilding should die.
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It was exactly the same at the UK Bodypower last year - hundreds of people (mainly teenage boys) queuing up to see fitness you-tubers that I'd never seen or heard of while most of the IFBB pros were stood around their booths looking bored. Only Ronnie and Kai had long queues.
Not going again this year (or ever again for that matter). As much as I love bodybuilding I feel like I just don't belong in that environment any more.
I went to the 1st one, & was thinking of going this year.
Maybe not after what you & bigro have said.
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OMG!!! This guy's wearing orange underwear. Do you suppose this means he is gay? ;D
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Was Zane really all that different?
That posing swimmer you mean?
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That posing swimmer you mean?
Yeah, both of 'em.
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Yeah, both of 'em.
Not sure what Frank was doing on a pro bodybuilding stage, guess he had guts...
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Frank Zanes physique sucks! Nubret of that era was ten times better
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Not sure what Frank was doing on a pro bodybuilding stage, guess he had guts...
... and three Sandows.
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... and three Sandows.
Three gifts you mean..
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Three gifts you mean..
Ah, yes. Gifts, I meant.
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Three gifts you mean..
Yes also Phil "the gift" Heath has 4...
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Yes also Phil "the gift" Heath has 4...
True, esp his 4th one. Wolf was the clear winner last year..