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he certainly has a strong argument
certainly one of the best defensive fighters ever
sure he's not exciting to watch but damn effective
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he certainly has a strong argument
certainly one of the best defensive fighters ever
sure he's not exciting to watch but damn effective
Top 5 for sure .
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no lineal champion in any weight class he passed through even when he was a dog at 135, and he had a chance with thurman or brook to put icing on the cake in september. top 10 because of defense and protected "0". TBE is just modern day social media, and he's the first boxer to benefit from it and rape casuals financially with twitter type match-making.
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LOL
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Top 5 for sure .
Top 5? ::)
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Top 5 for sure .
top 20
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Sure He knocked out his wife too! First round TKO!
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Top 5? ::)
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wow, i never bothered with watching the fight or looking up the stats even-though people said he lost, always thought it was normal fmw hate. interesting.
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wow, i never bothered with watching the fight or looking up the stats even-though people said he lost, always thought it was normal fmw hate. interesting.
177 total power punches landed versus only 66 AND an overall better % :o
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Floyd is definitely a top 20 fighter of all time. I would have him in the 20 range though, but these numbers are always debatable.
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Top 5? ::)
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These statistics skew the fight somewhat. It was a very close fight with Floyd controlling the pace and actually landing the more impactful punches. Castillo was a great fighter at that point, and Floyd thoroughly dominated him in the rematch.
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so we went from him being no 1 to top 20 ? thats what we discuss now, if he's top 20
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Ali is still the greatest.
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Fraud lost to Castillo the first fight, but he clearly won the rematch. I think he retired after the first bout. He was literally crying in the post fight conference about how unfair he was treated by the writers and pundits. He gave the writers who were on his nuts rolexes, lol. Steve Kim wrote that his fights are the walk out fights; so boring that people are walking out before the fight is finished.
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No way stick and move might be effective points wise,but all the greats could fight many ways, he can only fight one way, any other era he would have lost a lot of fights for not being aggressive enough. Castillo easily beat him in that fight it was robbery, Floyd never fought on the inside again after this fight ;)
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For me, no way. He's one of the most technically proficient fighters ever but he isn't near what I would consider the greatest.
It depends on how you define the word "Greatest" though. I happen to put a high value on being able to hit someone hard enough to actually hurt them. I don't value defensive fighters that throw soft patty-cake punches and score points. Not everyone sees it that way though.
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He wouldnt have beat a geared up Manny and he knew it.
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He is probably one of the best defensive boxers
On the back foot.
Not all round one of the Great Fighters.
I find him very dull & boring to watch,
Yes he is very effective in what he does.
Having a 48-0 record makes him Very Good.
But Far from The Best Ever.
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Mayweather, in the era of Leonard, Hearns and Duran, would've gotten hurt.
That Dancing with the Stars crap wouldn't have flown back then.
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Hey, FMW didn't duck anyone. He retired multiple times because he needed to clear his mind and refocus. Haha
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These statistics skew the fight somewhat. It was a very close fight with Floyd controlling the pace and actually landing the more impactful punches. Castillo was a great fighter at that point, and Floyd thoroughly dominated him in the rematch.
In the rematch yes, not in the first fight. Numbers don't lie.
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Floyd is now 55-0* which beats the old record by Rocky Marchiano
48 men and 7 woman = 55 total beat downs
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Top 100 for sure
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Floyd is now 55-0* which beats the old record by Rocky Marchiano
48 men and 7 woman = 55 total beat downs
He only fights people he can beat. Haha
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Top 5? ::)
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Just how did the judges explain the win for mayweather.
Castillo clearly won the 1st fight.
He knows it, mayweather knows it, & so does everyone else.
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Just how did the judges explain the win for mayweather.
Castillo clearly won the 1st fight.
He knows it, mayweather knows it, & so does everyone else.
Interesting. Those judges should be fired!
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Say what you will about his legacy but he's definitely got the biggest payday to date.
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who will have a bigger movie career
Floyd Mayweather or Dennis Wolf ???
Wolf already had a block buster movie Generation Iron, Floyd has a hard time reading commercial scrips on the radio , Shit Rocky Balboa was better at reading the Dummy Cards
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Top 5? ::)
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Fights are scored round by round , not by the total number of punches in 12 rounds ,
Watch the fight , Lederman gave the 3rd round to Castillo ::) when Castillo landed only 5-6 punches in the whole round .
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In the 1980's, Floyd would have a tough time cracking the top 5 in just the welterweight division.
1. Leonard
2. Hearns
3. Duran
4. Donald Curry
5. Maybe Floyd, Maybe Benitez
Top five ever? Get the fuck out of here.
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Mayweather is the best runner of all time. His opponents that he supposedly dominates finish the fights without a scratch on them. Mayweather can't finish. He can't hurt people. Best defensive fighter of all time, he can argue that.
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Fights are scored round by round , not by the total number of punches in 12 rounds ,
Watch the fight , Lederman gave the 3rd round to Castillo when Castillo landed only 5-6 punches in the whole round .
Top 5? He's not even top 10. By your standard he's better than Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Leonard, Willie Pep, Harry Greb, Jack Dempsey, Henry Armstrong? There's no way he has any place above ANY of these fighters. ::)
Top 5 of his era, absolutely. But of all time? No fucking way. In the 80's there's no way he's winning a welterweight title. Think about his retirements and who he ducked in the last decade.
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Mayweather is the best runner of all time. His opponents that he supposedly dominates finish the fights without a scratch on them. Mayweather can't finish. He can't hurt people. Best defensive fighter of all time, he can argue that.
Pacquiao was hurt bad before the fight, it's well documented. Manny walked away unscathed, couldn't even put him down. Haha yeah, TBE baby!
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Top 5? He's not even top 10. By your standard he's better than Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali, Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Leonard, Willie Pep, Harry Greb, Jack Dempsey, Henry Armstrong? There's no way he has any place above ANY of these fighters. ::)
Top 5 of his era, absolutely. But of all time? No fucking way. In the 80's there's no way he's winning a welterweight title. Think about his retirements and who he ducked in the last decade.
Nah , he's not better than Harry Greb , hahaha.
amazing shadow boxing footwork @ 1:16 ;D ;D
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floyd isnt the greatest of nothing except earning the most money in a single fight
his skills arent all that good considering he was taught boxing since birth. he cant blend defence and offense like james toney can. he has one mode
at a time either attack or defend. all of his opponents he has ever faced arent very skilled there mostly mexicans and zab judah. floyd was lucky
zab is mentally weak because he was giving floyd hell till the 6th round and there are many fighter with better skill than zab who arent mentally weak and will chase mayweather down for the full 15 rounds. he cant compete with the top 30 fighters in lightweight or welterweight
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Floyd needs to fight this beast before he can lay claim to being the best
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Nah , he's not better than Harry Greb , hahaha.
amazing shadow boxing footwork @ 1:16 ;D ;D
This is footage from when, 1913-1926 at best? So based on some video from roughly 100 years ago you discount him? His record was 105 (48 KO) with 8 losses? He fought 45 times in one year for fucks sake. Mayweather won't fight anything but a woman unless the odds are totally in his favor.
The fact that Floyd retired to duck opponents automatically takes him out of the top. He wasn't beating those dudes at welterweight in the 80's.
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In my own opinion at least, he's easily ranked higher than pep, greb and dempsey. I love dempsey too...in a list amongst toughest and hardest hitting fighters of all time he will always be in there. Pep is one of the defensive greats but fought in a different era where it was common to be fighting a different bum every week, in terms of skill though, and in an actual match up, floyd beats him.
Harry greb is an overrated fighter too. A shitload of his wins were "newspaper decisions" which wouldn't even count as real fights, and he also was in an era where you'd fight a different cab driver every week and everyone wanted the white guy to win badly. Greb is one of the toughest guys to ever step in the ring and also one of the dirtiest fighters, but he's been bigged up into mythical legend status by "hardcore" fans, who view him as some sort of god because of all the stories about him, when they never even seen him fight.
A lightweight duran, i believe would beat floyd and boss him around the ring. Welterweight version later on in his career I'm not so sure. I could see floyd pulling out a close decision.
Leonard would be a very interesting fight. He'd impress everyone with his stupidly fast flurry's kind of like how de la hoya did, but i could see it being possible for floyd to take a very close decision over him.
Leonard was a great fighter but he's just as easily accused of cherry picking as floyd is...he always called the shots with every fight. insisted on the Duran rematch being made at the very worst possible time for Duran, then fought him like a bitch. He retired rather than face hagler and waited until he finally seen him slow down enough to be beatable, then carefully picked his fights after.
Hearns...i doubt floyd could beat. his power and reach were ridiculous, I think he would be a nightmare for mayweather.
Curry and benitez, floyd beats.
It's difficult to talk about fighters as greater than others when there's so many different way's of looking at it. If you're talking about great in terms of pure skill and boxing ability, then floyd is one of the very greatest of all time. If you're talking about greatness in terms of long lasting careers against other dominant opposition, then floyd is certainly up there, but not in the same league as guys like duran, Robinson and Ali etc.
One of the best defensive wise, sure. To call him top 5 overall though, no way there was just too much talent before him. I guess it depends on the type of fight you like to see. If you're all for a basically boring primadonna fighter who carefully selects everything for his fights, sure he's an easy favorite.
Also, Greb had 32 newspaper decisions or roughly 10% of his nearly 300 fights. I know a lot of people say dudes like this fought a bunch of cans to get their numbers that high but you have to consider this; he was a pro for 13 years and fought almost 300 times. Floyd has been pro for 19 years and fought 48 times.
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Best defensive boxer - Nicolino Locche. 8)
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BREAKING NEWS
Floyd Mayweather is now "WILLING to give Manny a rematch"
bwahahahhahahahha they want another $400 million payday for another boring fight.
Suckers will fall for this again lol!!
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In my own opinion at least, he's easily ranked higher than pep, greb and dempsey. I love dempsey too...in a list amongst toughest and hardest hitting fighters of all time he will always be in there. Pep is one of the defensive greats but fought in a different era where it was common to be fighting a different bum every week, in terms of skill though, and in an actual match up, floyd beats him.
Harry greb is an overrated fighter too. A shitload of his wins were "newspaper decisions" which wouldn't even count as real fights, and he also was in an era where you'd fight a different cab driver every week and everyone wanted the white guy to win badly. Greb is one of the toughest guys to ever step in the ring and also one of the dirtiest fighters, but he's been bigged up into mythical legend status by "hardcore" fans, who view him as some sort of god because of all the stories about him, when they never even seen him fight.
A lightweight duran, i believe would beat floyd and boss him around the ring. Welterweight version later on in his career I'm not so sure. I could see floyd pulling out a close decision.
Leonard would be a very interesting fight. He'd impress everyone with his stupidly fast flurry's kind of like how de la hoya did, but i could see it being possible for floyd to take a very close decision over him.
Leonard was a great fighter but he's just as easily accused of cherry picking as floyd is...he always called the shots with every fight. insisted on the Duran rematch being made at the very worst possible time for Duran, then fought him like a bitch. He retired rather than face hagler and waited until he finally seen him slow down enough to be beatable, then carefully picked his fights after.
Hearns...i doubt floyd could beat. his power and reach were ridiculous, I think he would be a nightmare for mayweather.
Curry and benitez, floyd beats.
It's difficult to talk about fighters as greater than others when there's so many different way's of looking at it. If you're talking about great in terms of pure skill and boxing ability, then floyd is one of the very greatest of all time. If you're talking about greatness in terms of long lasting careers against other dominant opposition, then floyd is certainly up there, but not in the same league as guys like duran, Robinson and Ali etc.
Floyd just won't lose huh ;D
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yeah he was amazing the way he slipped punches. Personal favorites pernell whitaker though. Got his entire career on dvd, was untouchable in his prime.
Roger damn near had him out, so don't know about untouchable....he also fought stupid against JLR the first time.
Pea was moved very slowly compared to his stablemate Meldrick Taylor.
Back to Floyd I don't see him getting a title at 154, Winky Wright punked him out to come fight him and he didn't budged lol ...in the 80s you had Hearns but also Mike Mccalum, Terry Norris and Julian Jackson....good luck lol
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In the ring... Mayweather is like the Spurs of the NBA. Horrible to watch, boring and predictable, but works very efficiently within the rules and just keeps the opponent from scoring.
The 2nd fight would look just like the first fight. Sure, we'd all love to see Mayweather with a busted lip, but let's face it, at this age, these guys can't hit hard anymore. Floyd admitted his hands are weakened for fighting, and that's why he hasn't had a KO in 5 years now. The 2nd fight would look just like fight #1.
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In the ring... Mayweather is like the Spurs of the NBA. Horrible to watch, boring and predictable, but works very efficiently within the rules and just keeps the opponent from scoring.
The 2nd fight would look just like the first fight. Sure, we'd all love to see Mayweather with a busted lip, but let's face it, at this age, these guys can't hit hard anymore. Floyd admitted his hands are weakened for fighting, and that's why he hasn't had a KO in 5 years now. The 2nd fight would look just like fight #1.
Yea but the Spurs don't get into legal problems, class act organization.
Floyd is more like the Portland Jailblazers of the late 90s early 2000s.
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In the ring... Mayweather is like the Spurs of the NBA. Horrible to watch, boring and predictable, but works very efficiently within the rules and just keeps the opponent from scoring.
The 2nd fight would look just like the first fight. Sure, we'd all love to see Mayweather with a busted lip, but let's face it, at this age, these guys can't hit hard anymore. Floyd admitted his hands are weakened for fighting, and that's why he hasn't had a KO in 5 years now. The 2nd fight would look just like fight #1.
fix his shoulder/cuff but his height and t-rex arms won't change. fmw parts a fool from his money, so how the hell can he go broke? i didn't finish the free stream for the 1st fight, highly doubt i'll even bother watching the 2nd one.
Yea but the Spurs don't get into legal problems, class act organization.
Floyd is more like the Portland Jailblazers of the late 90s early 2000s.
none of this shit has anything to do with game time. tim duncan went through a messy divorce and parker had the mexican whore on his ass. 240 wasn't talking about personal lives. you bitches can't separate the two.
the negative difference in terms of a sporting event is, the spurs can't hand pick their opponents.
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fix his shoulder/cuff but his height and t-rex arms won't change. fmw parts a fool from his money, so how the hell can he go broke? i didn't finish the free stream for the 1st fight, highly doubt i'll even bother watching the 2nd one.
none of this shit has anything to do with game time. tim duncan went through a messy divorce and parker had the mexican whore on his ass. 240 wasn't talking about personal lives. you bitches can't separate the two.
If Mike Tyson can lose $400 million, Mayweather can go broke. Keep crying about Mayweather though, it's great watching you meltdown.
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fix his shoulder/cuff but his height and t-rex arms won't change. fmw parts a fool from his money, so how the hell can he go broke? i didn't finish the free stream for the 1st fight, highly doubt i'll even bother watching the 2nd one.
none of this shit has anything to do with game time. tim duncan went through a messy divorce and parker had the mexican whore on his ass. 240 wasn't talking about personal lives. you bitches can't separate the two.
the negative difference in terms of a sporting event is, the spurs can't hand pick their opponents.
;D
Parker and Duncan don't have convictions....
;D
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If Mike Tyson can lose $400 million, Mayweather can go broke. Keep crying about Mayweather though, it's great watching you meltdown.
melt down about what? i'm interjecting bullshit into getbig threads as usual. unfortunately, a tranny plug-in won't work in a boxing thread. sorry charlie, i've been at this getbig troll, derailing, etc. game too long. try one of the newbies.
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Hebrew gonna Hebrew
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melt down about what? i'm interjecting bullshit into getbig threads as usual. unfortunately, a tranny plug-in won't work in a boxing thread. sorry charlie, i've been at this getbig troll, derailing, etc. game too long. try one of the newbies.
A tranny-plug in? You have been here for too long indeed, maybe get some sunshine? LOL yes, you sure are the best at what you do. I'm sure you have much to be proud of.
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This is footage from when, 1913-1926 at best? So based on some video from roughly 100 years ago you discount him?
OFC the videos are 100 years old , he died in 1926 ,retard . ::)
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OFC the videos are 100 years old , he died in 1926 ,retard . ::)
Ohhhh name calling again? Sorry your panties are in a bunch. Making fun of a girl online make you feel better?
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Ohhhh name calling again? Sorry your panties are in a bunch. Making fun of a girl online make you feel better?
Are you really a ''woman'' ?
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Yes. In all honesty I am a woman. That's me in the avatar and me in the other thread where I got called out before.
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Yes. In all honesty I am a woman. That's me in the avatar and me in the other thread where I got called out before.
Well that explains a lot , I apologize .
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Floyd just won't lose huh ;D
clearly captain knows boxing if he ranks floyd higher than willie pep ::) ::)
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Hard to compare boxers from different era's, especially the ones from the 1900-1940's since the conditions and rules around the sport were so different back then.
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These statistics skew the fight somewhat. It was a very close fight with Floyd controlling the pace and actually landing the more impactful punches. Castillo was a great fighter at that point, and Floyd thoroughly dominated him in the rematch.
I watched this fight on mute the other day (to eliminate the possibility of being influenced by the announcers and crowd), and I had Mayweather winning by a couple rounds. Keep in mind that compubox counts any punch that even somewhat lands in a scoring zone, including shoulder punches.
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i've already explained that it depends on what you're basing greatness off of. In terms of pure skill, floyd is higher. Pep is one of the defensive greats and has a ridiculously impressive career record, but you also have to consider the fact that in the 229 fights he had, only 3 of them were international boxing hall of famers...chalky wright, sandy saddler and manuel ortiz,
and as for world champions, 9 of them....Sandy Saddler, Chalky Wright, Manuel Ortiz, Paddy DeMarco, Sal Bartolo, Jackie Wilson, Phil Terranova, Joey Archild and Harold Dade.
He also had a very low KO percentage out of those 229 fights and many of these were against a load of bums, as was the norm back then to pretty much just beat the shit out of any tomato can once a week in order to make a living.
I'm not going to completely denigrate peps career either because it was amazing, so i recognise the fact that there wasn't the bullshit alphabet title circus we have now, back then, so there wasn't as much "world champions", and he also suffered losses after his plane crash injury. but at the same time i think people always have a tendency to romanticise the old fighters and build them up into mythical status without actually looking at facts, same way they disregard the more modern champions. I personally do not see how pep would make a top 5 list based on his resume alone, but i don't think floyd does either.
i agree with everything you are saying about pep. if you have 200 plus fights and a survived a plane crash your gonna lose no matter who you are.
all those fighters you mentioned who fought pep not one of floyds opponents are even comparable in skill who has be defeated to be even considered B class let alone an ATG. he has never been tested once in his career other than hurting his hands which is normal with boxers but he takes 3 years off to "recover". does floyd have skill yes but to compare his skills with a certified ATG is ridiculous floyd had major problems with zab judah for 6 rounds before as usual judah mentally collapses and all zab had was speed and a good power with decent footwork and he put floyd on his ass but the ref called it a slip. i would like to know what fighters he fought even allows him to be even compared to pep because i cant think of not one ?
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khan shows up on fmw's buddy's, ben, channel. now, we know who his next opponent is. 5 months ago he said khan wasn't a draw, just dumped the belts to eliminate title holders and mandatories, thurman, brook, lara and andrade. dcafs will buy this BS ppv just like Maidana 1 and 2. Is the current generation of boxing fans really that uneducated on match-making?