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I never believed in this stuff, but the past few days I've been eating some sugary foods about half an hour before I work out. The difference in muscle sensation, pump, sweating, heart rate, physicap appearance post workout (vascularity, striations), and enjoyableness of the workout has been immense...
For the past year or so, I've done fasted workouts / runs in the morning... I don't think I'm ever going back. Maybe it only makes a difference if you're very lean?
Not sure about post workout yet, but some pwo carbs/protein seemed to stabilize my mental state, today at least.
How important do you think pre/post workout meals are? What should they consist of? Timing?
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High glycemic carbs pre and post workout are the only times you should eat them (White rice, rice cakes, pop tarts etc) which is why you get that feeling. Rest of the day stick to carbs low glycemic such as brown rice
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I don't think it's a good idea to train fasted and/or wait several hours after lifting weights before eating.
Building actual muscle protein is a slow process but I believe feedings around workouts help over time.
Training hard without eating leads to muscle breakdown, doesn't make much sense to me, taking advantage of
the increased protein synthesis after workouts by eating is logical and supported by all the science.
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High glycemic carbs pre and post workout are the only times you should eat them (White rice, rice cakes, pop tarts etc) which is why you get that feeling. Rest of the day stick to carbs low glycemic such as brown rice
The GI of carb sources is pretty irrelevant for many reasons imo. For example, rarely do people eat carbs in isolation, the GI doesn't apply with mixed meals anymore.
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I don't think it's a good idea to train fasted and/or wait several hours after lifting weights before eating.
Building actual muscle protein is a slow process but I believe feedings around workouts help over time.
Training hard without eating leads to muscle breakdown, doesn't make much sense to me, taking advantage of
the increased protein synthesis after workouts by eating is logical and supported by all the science.
That's why Milos recommended high glycemic carbs and amino acids WHILE training. Feed the muscles while it is being broken down and blood supply to those muscles are at it's highest.
Oh, and don't forget the insulin preworkout to help ram those nutrients in while training.
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Post workout you have a 30 minute anabolic window, if you don't get your protein in your workout was a complete waste.
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The GI of carb sources is pretty irrelevant for many reasons imo. For example, rarely do people eat carbs in isolation, the GI doesn't apply with mixed meals anymore.
Taking, say, pure sugar, bypasses the digestive process which may be useful while training. After all, all carbs are broken down into sugar so sugar is essentially predigested carbs. The same with protein/amino acids.
http://www.ergo-log.com/peptopro.html
http://www.ergo-log.com/musclefibresgatorade.html
"Athletes who want to experiment with their protein intake during a training session probably won’t notice anything if they use ordinary proteins. It takes too long for the digestive system to break down the protein into pieces that are small enough to enter the bloodstream. But you could try pre-digested amino acids in a preparation like PeptoPro."
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That's why Milos recommended high glycemic carbs and amino acids WHILE training. Feed the muscles while it is being broken down and blood supply to those muscles are at it's highest.
Oh, and don't forget the insulin preworkout to help ram those nutrients in while training.
There's actually been studies showing pre-workout amino feeding is better vs post-workout.
Milos' idea does make sense. He doesn't get much credit for his idea (maybe not his idea entirely but he popularized it) although
many other gurus do insulin this way today.
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There's actually been studies showing pre-workout amino feeding is better vs post-workout.
Milos' idea does make sense. He doesn't get much credit for his idea (maybe not his idea entirely but he popularized it) although
many other gurus do insulin this way today.
His reasoning was that only during training is when you get so much blood supply into the muscle. Thus you want that supply to be nutrient rich. He does also recommended preworkout amino acids/sugars along with the steady supply during the training session. Of course this is with the use of insulin.
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Taking, say, pure sugar bypasses the digestive process which may be useful while training. After all, all carbs are broken down into sugar so sugar is essentially predigested carbs. The same with protein/amino acids.
http://www.ergo-log.com/peptopro.html
http://www.ergo-log.com/musclefibresgatorade.html
"Athletes who want to experiment with their protein intake during a training session probably won’t notice anything if they use ordinary proteins. It takes too long for the digestive system to break down the protein into pieces that are small enough to enter the bloodstream. But you could try pre-digested amino acids in a preparation like PeptoPro."
It's not entirely certain these proteins are "faster" in reality. But in any case, the GI is pretty useless. A carb doesn't make you gain fat no matter how "fast" it is... it's all about the total energy balance. Slower carbs may be better for satiety but that's it.
I remember a study from way back where whey isolate was faster than hydrolyzed whey.
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It's not entirely certain these proteins are "faster" in reality. But in any case, the GI is pretty useless. A carb doesn't make you gain fat no matter how "fast" it is... it's all about the total energy balance. Slower carbs may be better for satiety but that's it.
Wouldn't it make intuitive sense that amino acids absorb faster, as well as sugar, because they are absorb right into the blood stream.
Certainly hydrolyzed protein is absorbed faster than, say, casein. And wouldn't it make sense to get the energy from sugar when you really need it (while training) and using insulin.
Of course none of this has anything to do with whether or not you get fat. That's a completely separate issue. Anybody can lose weight on jelly beans and ice cream and gain weight eating oats and chicken breast.
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Anabolic window of peace + milos magic shakes + slin = gainz
Nuff said queers
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Wouldn't it make intuitive sense that amino acids absorb faster, as well as sugar, because they are absorb right into the blood stream.
Certainly hydrolyzed protein is absorbed faster than, say, casein. And wouldn't it make sense to get the energy from sugar when you really need it (while training) and using insulin.
Of course none of this has anything to do with whether or not you get fat. That's a completely separate issue. Anybody can lose weight on jelly beans and ice cream and gain weight eating oats and chicken breast.
It does make sense. I was commenting on the post above where kevthekid said you should't consume fast carbs at any other time than around the workout. Plenty of ripped guys ate white rice at all meals.
Though I'm not certain hydrolyzed protein or free aminos are faster than say whey isolate.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2761917/#!po=0.675676
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Anabolic window of peace + milos magic shakes + slin = gainz
Nuff said queers
LOL!
Not even getting into this one, hell no...
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LOL!
Not even getting into this one, hell no...
Think it's all over complicated. Throw the glycemic index out the fuckin window is step one IMO. I shoot for a daily fiber goal of 50+ grams. A potato eaten with some chicken and veggies isn't going to spike my damn insulin. Even if you're trying to spike your insulin as a natty with a ton of dextrose, you're not going to reach super physiological levels like you would with drugs. Just like nattty test boosters don't get you to that super physiological level hence don't do jack shit in terms of muscle growth.
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Think it's all over complicated. Throw the glycemic index out the fuckin window is step one IMO. I shoot for a daily fiber goal of 50+ grams. A potato eaten with some chicken and veggies isn't going to spike my damn insulin
true.
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It does make sense. I was commenting on the post above where kevthekid said you should't consume fast carbs at any other time than around the workout. Plenty of ripped guys ate white rice at all meals.
Though I'm not certain hydrolyzed protein or free aminos are faster than say whey isolate.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2761917/#!po=0.675676
Perhaps not hydrolyzed protein but surely amino acids. I mean, doesn't all protein eventually get broken down into amino acids which is the form the body actually utilizes? Amino acids is to protein what sugar is to carbohydrates.
With amino acids you skip the step of breaking down the protein to amino acids.
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Partial explanation by Milos along with a link to the full interview.
http://cleanhealth.com.au/interview-former-ifbb-pro-milos-sarcev/
So here is rationale behind it. Men have about 5L of blood and women have about 4L distributed all over the body which is constantly circulating around. In a state of rest at maximum about 10 -12 % of that blood finds its way in to our skeletal muscles, as there is no real physiological demand at the time of a low physical activity period. However, when we become active, blood is sent to our working muscles… and that increased blood flow to exercising muscles (Hyperemia) can achieve an astonishing 60% increase in blood flow or more during weight training. This happens ONLY during the workout!
So as my father suggested, if I supply all the necessary anabolic nutrients in a pre-digested form (e.g; ATP, glucose, amino acids etc) into the blood stream right before training and then continue delivering more of the same nutrients during my training session whilst raising the most anabolic hormone in our body – insulin – I will create an immediate and maximal anabolic environment.
So instead of losing nutrients (protein degradation or catabolism) we are creating a greater nutritional uptake by our muscle cells (protein synthesis or anabolism) and simultaneously preventing anti-catabolism… everything we need to great the maximal results we are after. So we need to remember that we only have this opportunity during training, not before or after as blood will not be in the muscle to this extent.
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I never believed in this stuff, but the past few days I've been eating some sugary foods about half an hour before I work out. The difference in muscle sensation, pump, sweating, heart rate, physicap appearance post workout (vascularity, striations), and enjoyableness of the workout has been immense...
For the past year or so, I've done fasted workouts / runs in the morning... I don't think I'm ever going back. Maybe it only makes a difference if you're very lean?
Not sure about post workout yet, but some pwo carbs/protein seemed to stabilize my mental state, today at least.
How important do you think pre/post workout meals are? What should they consist of? Timing?
There is a lot of truth to this...Whenever im single digit bodyfat I always use a peri-workout...usually mag-10 from biotest..I know its not really designed for peri but I like it...but that the only thing ill have around my workout...
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Perhaps not hydrolyzed protein but surely amino acids. I mean, doesn't all protein eventually get broken down into amino acids which is the form the body actually utilizes? Amino acids is to protein what sugar is to carbohydrates.
With amino acids you skip the step of breaking down the protein to amino acids.
I'm too lazy to go look, but I would guess peptide proteins are faster than free form aminos.
Glucose aka dextrose, which is what we have in our blood, is not as fast a carb as some complex carbs,
so it doesn't always work as you would assume.
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I do lean protein (egg whites) pre work out with 3-4 bananas and egg whites again post workout with white rice and spinach.
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I never believed in this stuff, but the past few days I've been eating some sugary foods about half an hour before I work out. The difference in muscle sensation, pump, sweating, heart rate, physicap appearance post workout (vascularity, striations), and enjoyableness of the workout has been immense...
For the past year or so, I've done fasted workouts / runs in the morning... I don't think I'm ever going back. Maybe it only makes a difference if you're very lean?
Not sure about post workout yet, but some pwo carbs/protein seemed to stabilize my mental state, today at least.
How important do you think pre/post workout meals are? What should they consist of? Timing?
in terms of meal timing protein is important to spread out through out the day since amino acid's cant be stored for later use like fat or glucose, use it or lose it.
i like to keep carbs around training starting with my meal before training and then spreading out whatever fits into my goal throughout the rest of my day.
protein alone is enough to stimulate muscle growth or prevent muscle wasting in a deficit, protein + carbs gives you a small increase in nutrient delivery (which imo is important during post workout) that some may say isn't worth the effort but i know plenty of poor guys who wonder why they have no money when they aren't capable of saving pennies.
I'd make the most out of every minuet decision when it comes to body building because it all add's up over time when implemented together, the majority of people telling you otherwise are people that have 0 qualification's within the field to be telling you any better and have no results to back up their claims to begin with.
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as important as ball sacks on Bruce Jenner
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I do lean protein (egg whites) pre work out with 3-4 bananas and egg whites again post workout with white rice and spinach.
I used to eat a similar post-workout meal (3 bananas and some rice). But then I read Lyle Mcdonald mention that many people take in more carbs post workout than they really need to replenish glycogen used. According to Lyle Mcdonald, for every 2 work sets (assuming a set length of 30-45 seconds) you need 5 grams of carbohydrate to replenish the glycogen used. So if you did a workout containing 24 work sets, you’d only require about 60 extra grams (24 sets * 5 grams/2 sets = 60 grams) of carbohydrate to replace the glycogen used. I followed this advice and reduced my post workout carbs, limiting it to just 3 bananas, and omitting the rice completely, and I saw better results in terms of fat loss.
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There is a lot of truth to this...Whenever im single digit bodyfat I always use a peri-workout...usually mag-10 from biotest..I know its not really designed for peri but I like it...but that the only thing ill have around my workout...
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Thanks for the reply. You mentioned recently biking, working out, then eating two hours later -- so I take it you're not single digit at the moment, and you would have some peri-workout food if you were?
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Also how do you determine how many and what type of nutrients you eat in your pre- and post-workout meals?
For example, peworkout is a soda any better or worse than, say, oats?
I imagine its a matter of timing: the closer to the workout, the faster-digesting the nutrients should be?
What if you take in quick-digesting carbs too early? It goes to glycogen for later retrieval, or fat if glycogen stores are full?
If glycogen stores are full, then, do you need a pre workout meal?
I swear sugar seems to 'trigger a release'. Reason: just 150 calories made the entirety of my 40 minute run feel drastically different (compared to fasting). A 40 minute run should burn many more calories. Then again, maybe the latter portion of the run felt different simply because I felt better from the start.
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John Meadows is pretty particular on this subject (inner-workout as well), by emphasising that it could improve your recovery.
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/gain-mass/time-your-meals-muscle-growth
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John Meadows is pretty particular on this subject (inner-workout as well), by emphasising that it could improve your recovery.
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/gain-mass/time-your-meals-muscle-growth
So he recommends slow-digesting carbs before workout, fast digesting carbs during workout... Don't get why both are necessary. Sugary food seems to hit me pretty much instantly... The energy seeems to be there right away. Though maybe that's just a release of food I ate earlier?
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Before training,not all that important............aft er training more vital but there is no magic window of opportunity.
JUST EAT !!
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So he recommends slow-digesting carbs before workout, fast digesting carbs during workout... Don't get why both are necessary. Sugary food seems to hit me pretty much instantly... The energy seeems to be there right away. Though maybe that's just a release of food I ate earlier?
I can't think for him, but my guess is that the low/mid glycaemic foods serve as a mid term foundation (say 2-3 hours), while the fast ones are consumed right when you need them (in between sets).
My energy level during a workout is much better when I drink 2 scoops of Vitargo, mixed with BCAA.
Of course it all depends on things like other foods throughout the day, training intensity and training time (morning, afternoon or evening), so his protocol is just a concept, though an interesting one.
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Thanks for the reply. You mentioned recently biking, working out, then eating two hours later -- so I take it you're not single digit at the moment, and you would have some peri-workout food if you were?
I honestly have no idea where I am at right now...I have abs but thats not a great indicator for me...I've been doing peri-workout this week because I have beat the shit out of myself....
I prefer mag-10 as my peri-workout...I ordered some more earlier actually.. was gonna order some of john meadows new peri-workout but since mag-10 has some protein in it I chose it instead...plus, ive used a shit load of mag-10 before and know it will work for me..
bench
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I'm too lazy to go look, but I would guess peptide proteins are faster than free form aminos.
Glucose aka dextrose, which is what we have in our blood, is not as fast a carb as some complex carbs,
so it doesn't always work as you would assume.
How could this be? A complex carb is by definition "food" and needs to be digested and broken down into blood sugar, i.e., glucose.
I've had glucose injected into my vein during a medical test to bring up my blood sugar instantly but can't imagine what kind of complex carb can be injected into your blood stream for an even faster response.
As I understand it, all carbs, whether a sweet potato, banana or jelly beans; is broken down into glucose which is the only form of sugar your body uses as energy. The only diference is the rate at which it is broken down.
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How could this be? A complex carb is by definition "food" and needs to be digested and broken down into blood sugar, i.e., glucose.
I've had glucose injected into my vein during a medical test to bring up my blood sugar instantly but can't imagine what kind of complex carb can be injected into your blood stream for an even faster response.
As I understand it, all carbs, whether a sweet potato, banana or jelly beans; is broken down into glucose which is the only form of sugar your body uses as energy. The only diference is the rate at which it is broken down.
I can't explain it off-hand, but that's the way it is lol. That's the selling point of all these complex carbs like Vitargo and HBCD's etc. Even maltodextrin has a higher GI than glucose (which is 100). You can even feel it by slsmming down 100 grams of glucose, not that great on the stomach. :D
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Not important at all
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Completely irrelevant, a calorie is a calorie. Just make sure you're not full and bloated entering a workout, everything else is Woodoo...
I was hating on the Adonis principles guys as well back in the days, till I realized that all the stuff with nutrient timing and macros we lived on for years and decades is complete BS and a myth. A question of faith at best, which would better fit into a church than into a gym lol
I eat two meals per day these days, most of the time whatever is around (guess around 2500 cals), train late at night most of the time and flush down a bowl of cereals with milk at home as "Post workout meal"lol and notice barely a difference...
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yesterday i went on a crazy binge. i've been on enough binges recently (i plan one every two weeks) to know, by feeling, the point where more food is going to completely immobilize me with crazy stomach pain and make me swear off binges forever.
this time, though, still had a pint of ice cream and a few other sweets to kill, so i decided to try something new. i started lifting while eating. now i had already done two pretty good workouts earlier that day -- legs at 5:30 AM and upper body at 5:30 PM. now about 11 pm, i just decided to do random sets as i ate -- squats, rows, curls, tricep extensions, pullups, whatever.
interestingly, i was able to EASILY eat the ice cream, a couple protein / carb bars, a slice of peanut butter toast, and a few other odds and ends. i never got to the "holy shit this is painful" phase. every set seemed to give me more ability to pound down some heavy sweets and fat.
just another in a recent string of experiences that make me re-think my position on "nutrient timing" -- a concept i've long scoffed.
i don't think it will actually help me substantially change my body composition, but i think, when i'm this lean / nutrient starved, i may be able to significantly improve how my workouts feel and maintain a steady mental state by paying attention to when i eat and what nutrients i choose -- i think favoring too much protein may be seriously detrimental to "perform", both mentally and during workouts.
Completely irrelevant, a calorie is a calorie. Just make sure you're not full and bloated entering a workout, everything else is Woodoo...
interesting. i've noticed that a lot of times i'm most beat down after a particularly stressful at work, i have the best workouts. on such days, i often don't eat for an extended period of time either, being stuck on the phone dealing or in meetings dealing with people. i've hypothesized that i perceive the workout to be better as it strikes a greater contrast with my earlier activities than usual -- but maybe it has more to do with the emptiness of my stomach.
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It's not 'important' but your body will appreciate it.
Btw, stop reading nutritional articles in Flex.
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yesterday, i drank about 160 calories of straight sugar right before my workout. my workout was pretty good, but not as good as the ones earlier in the week, where i had used more solid food about 30-60 minutes before the workout.
last week: scraps of muffin + hot chocolate (120 cals) 30 min prior= 5/5
thursday: 1/2 lara bar + fruit (200 cals) 30 min prior = 4/5
friday: hot chocolate (160 cals) 10 min prior = 3/5
The hot chocolate day I didn't have quite the same feeling of "lightness" (high-energy, ready-to-go) as the other two days. i wonder if it's because this newfound energy has let me drain myself more. since the muffin / hot chocolate last week, i've been going nuts... many days i get this feeling of boundless energy. before i know it, it's 9 PM (been up since 5 AM), and I've only had 1300 calories. i keep busy, sometimes even til 11:30 PM!
i'm about to go on a huge bike ride now, after yesterday's binge. we'll see how it goes.
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my workout was pretty good, but not as good as the ones earlier in the week, where i had used more solid food about 30-60 minutes before the workout.
A "solid meal" 30 mins before a workout? I'd puke all over the gym floor.... :-X :-X
I make sure to fast at least 2-3 hours before I enter the gym, and always take a dump before.
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It's not 'important' but your body will appreciate it.
Btw, stop reading nutritional articles in Flex.
i should clarify, i still highly doubt it will help with long-term body-composition changes. i don't think i can really get leaner or more muscular without changing calories or adding steroids.
it's just that i've noticed a WORLD of difference in feeling and physiological response between fasted workouts and non-fasted workouts. could just be that i'm hyper-sensitive to any small change, given how morbidly routine my life is. maybe this will all level out in a week or two.
nonetheless, i can't shake the feeling that cutting carbs in favor of protein has had a huge negative effect on my workouts and mental state.
the difference between a fasted run and a run with 150 cals of quick-digesting oats 15-30 min before hand:
a. muscular sensation: noticeable feelings in quads, hams, glutes
b. heaviness of breathing: much more out of breath
c. body temperature: far more sweating
d. sensation of speed: feel very fleet-footed
e. vascular prominence: drastically increased post workout
f. joint pain: dramatically decreased -- seems inversely proportional to muscular sensation
not so much of a difference in:
g. post-run mood: quite good in both cases
h. actual speed: duration of fixed-distance run almost identical
at work, when i swap a protein and fat only meal (e.g. 1 can tuna + 1/2 avocado with some cherry tomatoes and herbs) for a more balanced meal (e.g. balanced nutrition bar, with carbs/sugar), i've noticed:
a. mood: seems to instantly improve with each bite of sugary food
b. intelligence: seemingly able to solve complex problems with greater speed
c. focus: better able to focus on task at hand
d. no "food preoccupation": obsession with cooking, planning meals, worry over what i'm going to eat later
e. movement: much faster typing, tendency to walk more quickly
f. decision making: less conservative
g. scope of thought: thinking creatively, thinking wider variety of subjects, etc. not preoccupied with needs and worries
h. anxiety: reduced
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A "solid meal" 30 mins before a workout? I'd puke all over the gym floor.... :-X :-X
I make sure to fast at least 2-3 hours before I enter the gym, and always take a dump before.
by "solid meal" i mean 100-200 calories of food. you're talking to a guy who has striated glutes year round, lol...
e.g. half a cookie, or a packet of oatmeal
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Just went for a three hour bike ride. After m&ms, a pint of ice cream, a slice of raspberry crumble, a couple carb/protein bars, and a visit to the Brazilian steakhouse last night, I figured I should be maxed out on glycogen and ready to go.
About 30 minutes before, I ate 500 cals from oatmeal. Some sugar. Interestingly, I started off very slowly. Nonetheless I noticed a lot of interesting effects, mostly mental:
- calm, mind able to wander. Usually I'm worried about burning enough calories.
- although no pump or burn, I still felt my muscles, rather than my joints
- little to no joint pain
- little concern about where I was going
- no concern about getting lost
After an hour and a half, I was feeling very good. I stopped at an ethnic market and picked up a sweet corn muffin, maybe 500-700 cals. Almost immediately after eating it:
- dramatic increase in speed
- feeling of limitless energy
- almost dangerous lack of regard for safety -- went over a bridge with no shoulder where the speed limit was 60 mph, got honked at a few times, lol.
- euphoria
- dramatic reduction in perceived effort of pedalling
After what felt like hours, I noticed a lack of energy and increased discomfort from sitting. Decided to call it a day. To my dismay, it had only been another hour and a half. After stopping, my mood came down to 'normal'.
During the ride, I hypothesized a high protein diet may be bad for me. As I seek to eat the minimum number of calories, wanton protein consumption ends up implying very few carbs.
I started thinking: protein doesn't turn to glucose, nor does fat (easily?) without ketone bodies. So without carbs, where does the glucose come from? I'll have to research fat metabolism more, but for the time being, I think I'm going to try a new plan:
- quick digesting carbs (sugar) and protein (powder?) around workout.
- slow digesting carbs throughout the day (or frequent, small meals of quick digesting carbs)
- minimal fat, no more than 100 grams protein per day.
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Oh god
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The best workout drink I ever used was very simple and cheap... 1 scoop of whey protein, 25oz of water and 10-12oz of concord grape juice all mixed together. I sip it through my workouts. No problem training for 2 hours straight.
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I dont know how important they are. Postworkout I just do the standard protein shake, then eat after. But I usually wait like an hour. I am not really that hungry right after training.
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3hr preworkout
90 gram oatmeal
250grs of berries and frozen pinneaple
50 gram protein whey iso
intra
50gr carbs from any friggen sugar source, does not matter with 10ish gram bcaa
Post
70 gram protein iso
50ish carbs from pure pinneaple juice
2ish hours later
blah, blah, blah,
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I can't explain it off-hand, but that's the way it is lol. That's the selling point of all these complex carbs like Vitargo and HBCD's etc. Even maltodextrin has a higher GI than glucose (which is 100). You can even feel it by slsmming down 100 grams of glucose, not that great on the stomach. :D
One of maltodextrins selling points is that it is not classified as a sugar even though it has a GI index much higher than sucrose. Getting to put on the label "sugar free" is a big selling tag. But I don't think it is considered a complex carb.
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One of maltodextrins selling points is that it is not classified as a sugar even though it has a GI index much higher than sucrose. Getting to put on the label "sugar free" is a big selling tag. But I don't think it is considered a complex carb.
It is a complex carb, of course higher than sucrose which has a pretty low GI in fact (sucrose is half fructose).
But it's faster than glucose too which is what the GI is set after (100 GI).
Sucrose: about 65, compare to white rice which is at 89!
Maltodextrin: 105-130 depending on the chart.
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FFS people spending countless hours of their lives concentrating on when to eat a meal.
Get a fucking life.
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- quick digesting carbs (sugar) and protein (powder?) around workout.
Try some chocolate with a little bit of protein powder and/or BCAA's just before training.
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Try some chocolate with a little bit of protein powder and/or BCAA's just before training.
The protein will not have time to,absorb, no use adding bcaa to protein powder.
Terrible advice here.
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The protein will not have time to,absorb, no use adding bcaa to protein powder.
Terrible advice here.
Not all of it will absorb immediately but it will start hitting the bloodstream pretty quickly.
BCAA's will reduce the amount of tryptophane in the brain, gives "mental energy".
Nothing wrong with protein powder preworkout, or even during, as long as it doesn't make you sick.
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Not all of it will absorb immediately but it will start hitting the bloodstream pretty quickly.
BCAA's will reduce the amount of tryptophane in the brain, gives "mental energy".
Nothing wrong with protein powder preworkout, or even during, as long as it doesn't make you sick.
Just because it does not make you sick, does not mean it's ideal. Terrible way to evaluate/defend your point.
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Just because it does not make you sick, does not mean it's ideal. Terrible way to evaluate/defend your point.
So what is my point and what is your point and what is ideal? :D
Lots of lifters use aminos and/or hydrolysates during workouts and feel great. And as I showed,
research shows intact whey can be "faster" than those. Some cyclists use whey during bike rides for example.
Chocolate can be a mild mood booster ime, and can make you feel stronger. Some fat and sugar and the psychoactive compounds in chocolate can make it a nice energy booster when dieting.
Hey, Pudzianovski said he ate a lot of chocolate pretraining. :D
In the end, you have to try things out to see how it affects you.
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So what is my point and what is your point and what is ideal? :D
Lots of lifters use aminos and/or hydrolysates during workouts and feel great. And as I showed,
research shows intact whey can be "faster" than those. Some cyclists use whey during bike rides for example.
Chocolate can be a mild mood booster ime, and can make you feel stronger. Some fat and sugar and the psychoactive compounds in chocolate can make it a nice energy booster when dieting.
Hey, Pudzianovski said he ate a lot of chocolate pretraining. :D
In the end, you have to try things out to see how it affects you.
part in bold is different.
Chocolate? Sounds like an excuse to eat chocolate.
Pudzianovski is an excption and shit like this always comes down to what you said lastly. Indeed...
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Ranked in order of importance
1) post-workout nutrition
2) pre-workout nutrition
3) family, marriage, career
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I don't have anything post workout. In fact, my next meal after I workout is lunch which I have around 7 hours after I train. I have my breakfast prior to working out which just consists of 125ml of whole fat milk, oats, 2 eggs a banana and a protein shake.
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I don't have anything post workout. In fact, my next meal after I workout is lunch which I have around 7 hours after I train. I have my breakfast prior to working out which just consists of 125ml of whole fat milk, oats, 2 eggs a banana and a protein shake.
If you can be big, ripped off that, then you have wonder genetics.
Eat 6x's day, do 1grm test and the Mr O title is a mere 6 months from being held in your hands.
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I don't have anything post workout. In fact, my next meal after I workout is lunch which I have around 7 hours after I train. I have my breakfast prior to working out which just consists of 125ml of whole fat milk, oats, 2 eggs a banana and a protein shake.
Up your milk to exactly 129.5ml for epic results....
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I don't have anything post workout. In fact, my next meal after I workout is lunch which I have around 7 hours after I train. I have my breakfast prior to working out which just consists of 125ml of whole fat milk, oats, 2 eggs a banana and a protein shake.
What kind of results have you had with that? Have you ever posted a pic?
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If you can be big, ripped off that, then you have wonder genetics.
Eat 6x's day, do 1grm test and the Mr O title is a mere 6 months from being held in your hands.
I'm a natural with a swimmer's build so I'm far from big. If I was on gear I'd definitely eat more. I actually used to do the standard BB protocol of 6-8 meals a day but it just ended up turning me into a perma bulker. :D
Cutting down to 3 meals a day meant I lost some muscle but I feel healthier the leaner I am. I also used to take a post workout shake which was a high calorie weight gainer but it didn’t seem to make much difference to my training when I stopped doing this.
Up your milk to exactly 129.5ml for epic results....
125ml is the sweet spot. 8)
What kind of results have you had with that? Have you ever posted a pic?
I got leaner than I was before which is what I was aiming for. I’ve posted some arms pics but my physique looks similar to your average Olympic swimmer. :D
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I never believed in this stuff, but the past few days I've been eating some sugary foods about half an hour before I work out. The difference in muscle sensation, pump, sweating, heart rate, physicap appearance post workout (vascularity, striations), and enjoyableness of the workout has been immense...
For the past year or so, I've done fasted workouts / runs in the morning... I don't think I'm ever going back. Maybe it only makes a difference if you're very lean?
Not sure about post workout yet, but some pwo carbs/protein seemed to stabilize my mental state, today at least.
How important do you think pre/post workout meals are? What should they consist of? Timing?
I eat when hungry.
Its much better to workout after a light meal.
Keeps you energetic throughout the workout.
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Ranked in order of importance
1) post-workout nutrition
2) pre-workout nutrition
3) family, marriage, career
ROFL
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Well the magic is over... Pretty much back to normal workouts.
Tried a pop tart 20 minutes before squats this morning :D. Decent workout, but nothing special. Going to try a vitamin water before tomorrows run.
Yesterday I had broccoli (500g) and steel cut oats (100g) about an hour or so before my run. Terrible heaviness of gut during run.
Really made me aware of 'digestion' for the first time. I recalled, from meadows' article, how digestion requires blood.
As the run went on, the heaviness in my gut subsided, seemingly in correlation with increased sensation in my legs. Interestingly, the total time of my (fixed distance) run was 36 minutes -- exactly the same as many other occurrences which felt much better.
After the run, I felt very anxious and depressed for a while, but held off eating just long enough... After a few hours, my head cleared and I felt light and energetic.
I wondered if this was the point that digestion had fully finished, leaving blood to return to my brain and muscles. I've noticed this ’light and empty' feeling before, and it usually precedes good workouts (sweating, heart rate, pump, respiration).
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Well the magic is over... Pretty much back to normal workouts.
Tried a pop tart 20 minutes before squats this morning :D. Decent workout, but nothing special. Going to try a vitamin water before tomorrows run.
Yesterday I had broccoli (500g) and steel cut oats (100g) about an hour or so before my run. Terrible heaviness of gut during run.
Really made me aware of 'digestion' for the first time. I recalled, from meadows' article, how digestion requires blood.
As the run went on, the heaviness in my gut subsided, seemingly in correlation with increased sensation in my legs. Interestingly, the total time of my (fixed distance) run was 36 minutes -- exactly the same as many other occurrences which felt much better.
After the run, I felt very anxious and depressed for a while, but held off eating just long enough... After a few hours, my head cleared and I felt light and energetic.
I wondered if this was the point that digestion had fully finished, leaving blood to return to my brain and muscles. I've noticed this ’light and empty' feeling before, and it usually precedes good workouts (sweating, heart rate, pump, respiration).
Yes, always insist on steel cut oats.
Fuck me its like 'pan fried lamb chops' on a menu, how else are you gong to fry a lamb chop if its not in a fucking pan.
Some pretentious twats about.
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Yes, always insist on steel cut oats.
Fuck me its like 'pan fried lamb chops' on a menu, how else are you gong to fry a lamb chop if its not in a fucking pan.
Some pretentious twats about.
What the fuck is your problem?
'Steel cut' is an extremely common oat classification. You'll find oats marketed with this term at any us supermarket.
Generally speaking, oats are sold in three forms: steel cut (chopped), rolled (flattened), and quick (rolled and chopped). Steel cut are the 'least processed', therefore hardest to digest -- as reflected by their lengthy cooking time. Hence the relevance to my story.
Also 'pan fried' is to be contrasted with fried, or 'deep fried'. Its the name of a technique, which implies a thin layer of oil -- rather than a piece of meat submerged in oil.
Calm down, if you don't like the thread, you don't have to post. Contrary to what you might think, I have good reason for the level of effort I put into my posts, which isn't all that much anyway.
If I can learn and improve my workouts -- an activity which takes up at least an hour of my time every day -- with a few hours of posting, I'll gladly spend the time.
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What the fuck is your problem?
'Steel cut' is an extremely common oat classification. You'll find oats marketed with this term at any us supermarket.
Generally speaking, oats are sold in three forms: steel cut (chopped), rolled (flattened), and quick (rolled and chopped). Steel cut are the 'least processed', therefore hardest to digest -- as reflected by their lengthy cooking time. Hence the relevance to my story.
Also 'pan fried' is to be contrasted with fried, or 'deep fried'. Its the name of a technique, which implies a thin layer of oil -- rather than a piece of meat submerged in oil.
Calm down, if you don't like the thread, you don't have to post. Contrary to what you might think, I have good reason for the level of effort I put into my posts, which isn't all that much anyway.
If I can learn and improve my workouts -- an activity which takes up at least an hour of my time every day -- with a few hours of posting, I'll gladly spend the time.
Brutal ownage
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What the fuck is your problem?
'Steel cut' is an extremely common oat classification. You'll find oats marketed with this term at any us supermarket.
Generally speaking, oats are sold in three forms: steel cut (chopped), rolled (flattened), and quick (rolled and chopped). Steel cut are the 'least processed', therefore hardest to digest -- as reflected by their lengthy cooking time. Hence the relevance to my story.
Also 'pan fried' is to be contrasted with fried, or 'deep fried'. Its the name of a technique, which implies a thin layer of oil -- rather than a piece of meat submerged in oil.
Calm down, if you don't like the thread, you don't have to post. Contrary to what you might think, I have good reason for the level of effort I put into my posts, which isn't all that much anyway.
If I can learn and improve my workouts -- an activity which takes up at least an hour of my time every day -- with a few hours of posting, I'll gladly spend the time.
Just say oats FFS , no one cares if you have taken the trouble to seek out steel cut oats and do you really think it makes THAT much difference how they are processed and the impact it has on your physique?
You spend countless hours preparing food and posting dumbass pictures on here like its fucking Facebook
Fuck off with your bollocks, anyone would think that all the food prep actually meant something.