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Jordan with basically a foul line facial dunk (straighten out from the angle he jumped from and its a matter of a couple of inches)
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there's probably some 5 foot 4 ball of mesomorph on a playground someplace smoking pot that is a better athlete than either of them. Better 'athlete'? Better basketballer... who knows.... jordan can't play 5 positions, and is a lot smaller. But who knows.
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there's probably some 5 foot 4 ball of mesomorph on a playground someplace smoking pot that is a better athlete than either of them. Better 'athlete'? Better basketballer... who knows.... jordan can't play 5 positions, and is a lot smaller. But who knows.
Nope, not a better athlete in a basketball sense, his lateral movement, first step, vertical jump off a hop step, vertical jump off 2 feet gather, vertical off 1 leg, full court and half court quickness and speed, hand eye coordination, strength, agility, hand speed, explosiveness, is unrivalled in a single package.You can link me to a player by video that shows a better package of all the above if you can find it, but you wont.
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lebron just carried a team that was in the lottery last year to the finals
can we finally stop pretending that he isn't amazing? jordan did nothing without hall of famers on his team and the best coach ever
his career is far from over, jordan's has been over for 17 years unless you want to count that debacle in washington
when it's all said and done lebron will be the best
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lebron just carried a team that was in the lottery last year to the finals
can we finally stop pretending that he isn't amazing? jordan did nothing without hall of famers on his team and the best coach ever
his career is far from over, jordan's has been over for 17 years unless you want to count that debacle in washington
when it's all said and done lebron will be the best
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Context.
Lebron is playing in the weakest conference maybe all time, all while spending the last 6 years cherry picking his teams.If Garnett, Iverson and carter decided to team up in 2000 they would have probably made 5 straight finals too, not hard when you get to basically pick your team.Would that have made Carter an all time great?
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Context.
Lebron is playing in the weakest conference maybe all time, all while spending the last 6 years cherry picking his teams.If Garnett, Iverson and carter decided to team up in 2000 they would have probably made 5 straight finals too, not hard when you get to basically pick your team.Would that have made Carter an all time great?
what was so great about the teams jordan's bulls beat?
what did the heat do this year without lebron?
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That's fine and I'll agree but Michael is a better basketball player.
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Lebron is the best athlete that I've ever seen. His combination of size, strength, speed, and vertical jump is nuts. He's just physically dominant. Otherworldly athleticism. He obviously has the genes but in my opinion he is on some serious drugs as well. High end shit.
MJ was still the better basketball player and I seriously doubt he was using anything.
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what was so great about the teams jordan's bulls beat?
what did the heat do this year without lebron?
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Heres a starter for you, what does it tell you about the difference in level of competition they faced in the playoffs, and how they performed? This was both by around their 13th season
(http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg)
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We all remember the season where the bulls were down 0-2 to a stronger NY knicks team. Then the phantom fouls started...
there's an amazing video out there, been posted here before. People called for standing near him, seriously - the crooked NBA wanted jordan in the finals and the knicks were just too good.
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Nope.
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Heres a starter for you, what does it tell you about the difference in level of competition they faced in the playoffs, and how they performed? This was both by around their 13th season
(http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg)
why isn't scottie pippen on that list? he took the bulls to game 7 of the eastern finals WITHOUT jordan
there are more great players in the game during lebron's career than there were during the 90's
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yes, lebron is playing against WAY better competition. Little guys like John Starks would get destroyed in today's NBA, but he was a healthy matchup for Jordan.
Does anyone here think John ass starks could contain Lebron? LMAO
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lebron just carried a team that was in the lottery last year to the finals
can we finally stop pretending that he isn't amazing? jordan did nothing without hall of famers on his team and the best coach ever
his career is far from over, jordan's has been over for 17 years unless you want to count that debacle in washington
when it's all said and done lebron will be the best
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All time great, one of the best ever but not the GOAT.
No one has won without Hall of Famers, except for the Billups/Wallace Piston team and maybe Dirk.
LeBron lost with the 3rd best shooting guard of all time as his wing man. There's no question he has carried some mediocre teams, and made journeymen household names but down playing Jordans accomplishments to further LeBron 's legacy is a sad troll attempt Earl.
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jordan's legacy is greater. jordan has more titles.
individually, lebron is probably better.
jordan beat shittier teams, played against smaller dudes, mostly from USA, pre-HGH era, pre-sports medicine avdancements.
just like in 25 years, the caliber of NBA and NFL player will destory what we see today.
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yes, lebron is playing against WAY better competition. Little guys like John Starks would get destroyed in today's NBA, but he was a healthy matchup for Jordan.
Does anyone here think John ass starks could contain Lebron? LMAO
See everything you say has no logic or knowledge of NBA history behind it.Lebron got stopped by 5'10 jj Barrera, 6'1 Jason terry and 6'3 Jason Kidd in the 2011 finals, holding Lebron to 17ppg while the Mavs won the series 4-2.Starks was a far superior defender to any of them.
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yes, lebron is playing against WAY better competition. Little guys like John Starks would get destroyed in today's NBA, but he was a healthy matchup for Jordan.
Does anyone here think John ass starks could contain Lebron? LMAO
Starks wouldn't have shut down LeBron, but he didn't stop Reggie Miller either. Starks was a 6'4 guard, he wasn't a defensive stopper anyhow, he was a CBA star who got the green light to shoot the ball, and wasn't afraid to keep shooting (see his finals against Houston where Marv Albert begged him to stop shooting). For the record nobody today is locking down James anyhow, nor would anyone from the past.
Would a Jordan lead team lost to a Maverick squad lead by Dirk, Jason Terry, Tysons Chandler and JJ Barea? The Bulls could have also split titles with Duncan.
240 I know you're a Cavs guy (and hatred for Jordan runs deep, I still feel bad for Ehlo, Price, Daugherty and Hot Plate Williams) and that you know basketball but try to be a little objective.
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See everything you say has no logic or knowledge of NBA history behind it.Lebron got stopped by 5'10 jj Barrera, 6'1 Jason terry and 6'3 Jason Kidd in the 2011 finals, holding Lebron to 17ppg while the Mavs won the series 4-2.Starks was a far superior defender to any of them.
Agreed. However Kidd was Kidd in name only at that time, and Starks wasn't a legendary defender ( I know he got a second team all NBA-D team nod in 92/93 but so did Dan Majerle ::) ).
LeBron talent and athleticism is unmatched, especially at his size. But so is Russell Westbrooks (and before his injuries so was Derrick Rose). Larry Bird was no athlete when compared to these guys and for that matter neither was Magic Johnson (Im talking athletic freak) or Step Curry today, but they are all GREAT, HISTORIC players.
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yes, lebron is playing against WAY better competition. Little guys like John Starks would get destroyed in today's NBA, but he was a healthy matchup for Jordan.
Does anyone here think John ass starks could contain Lebron? LMAO
When it comes to defense there is something that a lot of people lose sight of. Most fans focus on things like whether a guy is a lock down individual defender, or the length and athleticism of defenders, or rule changes like hand checking. However, in the NBA(especially in the playoffs) team defense is what counts, not individuals defenders. You can be the best defender of all time but it isn't going to matter if your team has a bad defensive scheme. You'll be even worse off if your teammates are slow to rotate and miss assignments.
Starks matching up against Lebron sounds silly but Lebron wouldn't be facing Starks. He would be facing the 1990's New York Knicks who were quite formidable. They communicate, double hard, move their feet, rotate as if they are on a string, chase people off the 3 point line, and if all else fails they will knock you on your ass. This is another example of what actual basketball people understand vs what most basketball fans think is important.
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When it comes to defense there is something that a lot of people lose sight of. Most fans focus on things like whether a guy is a lock down individual defender, or the length and athleticism of defenders, or rule changes like hand checking. However, in the NBA(especially in the playoffs) team defense is what counts, not individuals defenders. You can be the best defender of all time but it isn't going to matter if your team has a bad defensive scheme. You'll be even worse off if your teammates are slow to rotate and miss assignments.
Starks matching up against Lebron sounds silly but Lebron wouldn't be facing Starks. He would be facing the 1990's New York Knicks who were quite formidable. They communicate, double hard, move their feet, rotate as if they are on a string, chase people off the 3 point line, and if all else fails they will knock you on your ass. This is another example of what actual basketball people understand vs what most basketball fans think is important.
I remember those assholes. Mason, Oakley, Ewing, Starks.
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jordan, 10 time scoring champion. james = 1 time.
jordan 5 x mvp, james 4 x mvp.
jordan 6 x finals mvp, james 2 x finals mvp
jordan 6 x nba champs, james 2 x nba champ
jordan 3x steals leader, james = 0.
jordan 1 defensive player of the year, james =0.
jordan 9 x all defensive, james =6.
jordan 30.1 ppg, james 28 ppg career.
james 9 games 50+ pts, 1 game 60+. jordan 60+ 5 times, 50+, 39 times
james 49 triple doubles, jordan 31.
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I remember those assholes. Mason, Oakley, Ewing, Starks.
lebron would leave all 3 of those big men in the dust, and he'd plow right thru Starks.
Nobody on that team could stop him on most plays.
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(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bo-jackson.jpg)
Better athlete than both but Mike best to play any sport....
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(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bo-jackson.jpg)
Better athlete than both but Mike best to play any sport....
Plus...Before his injury, Bo Jackson never even lifted weights. Imagine the potential, just insane....
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If LeBrick had played against the Piston's Bad Boys teams he would have ended up in the fetal position under the basket crying.
All it takes is one hard foul and he's mentally done for the game. He doesn't like physical play and he's also terrified of having to make crucial free throws at the end of games. Jordan had the mental strength of 1,000 LeBrons.
Why teams don't hard foul him the first time he drives to the basket is beyond me. Have a scrub player do it and take the technical foul or suspension, whatever.
That finals series against Dallas alone keeps LeBron from ever seriously being considered the best player ever.
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We all remember the season where the bulls were down 0-2 to a stronger NY knicks team. Then the phantom fouls started...
there's an amazing video out there, been posted here before. People called for standing near him, seriously - the crooked NBA wanted jordan in the finals and the knicks were just too good.
A lot of truth to this...Back then the NBA could get away with fixing games and not have many different video's showing their WWE tactics. Today it still goes on but it's much smarter on how the refs control and fix games...A guy that went to my gym use to play basketball in Europe and was on the practice squads of a couple NBA teams. He said the only true NBA game of the year is a game 7 of the NBA finals...He said that if a team can get to a game 7, that the teams are rewarded by having a legit street type basketball games where the refs are told to let them play...
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A lot of truth to this...Back then the NBA could get away with fixing games and not have many different video's showing their WWE tactics. Today it still goes on but it's much smarter on how the refs control and fix games...A guy that went to my gym use to play basketball in Europe and was on the practice squads of a couple NBA teams. He said the only true NBA game of the year is a game 7 of the NBA finals...He said that if a team can get to a game 7, that the teams are rewarded by having a legit street type basketball games where the refs are told to let them play...
there was no youtube back then.
people couldn't tivo a play and then isolate it and share it with ten million friends.
the Marv ALberts of the world didn't mention it. They just talked about jordan's heroics. There's an awesome video, probably 2-3 months ago posted on getbig. anyone have it? it showed the phantom fouls in that 0-2 series. Pretty bad.
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If LeBrick had played against the Piston's Bad Boys teams he would have ended up in the fetal position under the basket crying.
All it takes is one hard foul and he's mentally done for the game. He doesn't like physical play and he's also terrified of having to make crucial free throws at the end of games. Jordan had the mental strength of 1,000 LeBrons.
Why teams don't hard foul him the first time he drives to the basket is beyond me. Have a scrub player do it and take the technical foul or suspension, whatever.
That finals series against Dallas alone keeps LeBron from ever seriously being considered the best player ever.
See, if that was the case... then LeBron would be allowed to hack people just the same.
And he'd dominate in that era too.
I dont think people give enough credit to the GH era. Or enough to the global game. The US team used to DESTROY the other in the olympics. now they lose sometimes.
Jordan would be really good today - he'd be a Durant or whoever. But being ten feet above the rest of the league, like he was in the 90s? No, that'd never happen today with jordan. His ass would be all over TMZ banging hooters girls and gambling bets, his phantom fouls would be youtube'd and COlin and LeBatard would be dissecting them daily.
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I think a better comparison would be Kobe and LeBron....
Kobe has 5 rings to LeBron's 2.
Kobe was a bad man, everyone is a prisoner to the moment talking about LeBron now.
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Plus...Before his injury, Bo Jackson never even lifted weights. Imagine the potential, just insane....
Uncrowded first drug free Mr. O if he'd taken the thong game seriously. I
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See, if that was the case... then LeBron would be allowed to hack people just the same
He already is allowed to do that....though, the others can't.
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(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/bo-jackson.jpg)
Better athlete than both but Mike best to play any sport....
Agree about Bo. Lebron definitely better athlete than Jordan. As far as BB player that argument should be reserved for when Lebron retires.
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lebron? i read levrone >:(
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this is such a Blasphemy....when will these people pull their head out of their Asses and stop blabbing these nonsense......there was only One Jordan.....go ahead and make a name for yourself
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what was so great about the teams jordan's bulls beat?
what did the heat do this year without lebron?
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What has LeBron done without the Heat ???
Took the Cavs to the Finals twice and lost (about to get massacred by GSW, watch and see), big deal.
He has four more championships to win before this is even a conversation.
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Trent Dilfer has more super bowl rings than Dan Marino.
Lebron's supporting cast to the finals was bad bad bad in 2007 CLE team. Jordan's had pippen (top 50 player ever) and BJ/Kerr, along with a rebounding beast and the NBA marketing machine.
If you put Jordan in with the exact 2007 CLE CAVS cast... do they win the title over the Spurs? Absolutely not.
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Trent Dilfer has more super bowl rings than Dan Marino.
Lebron's supporting cast to the finals was bad bad bad in 2007 CLE team. Jordan's had pippen (top 50 player ever) and BJ/Kerr, along with a rebounding beast and the NBA marketing machine.
If you put Jordan in with the exact 2007 CLE CAVS cast... do they win the title over the Spurs? Absolutely not.
Take off with this super bowl rings Trent Dilfer straw man. 6-0 vs. 2-3 (2-4 soon) in the NBA is a whole different ballgame than 1-0 vs. 0-0 in the NFL. Winning lots of Finals is absolutely a major factor in ranking all-time NBA players, to argue otherwise shows you don't know much about the game.
Re: 2007, so what ??? LeBron didn't beat the Spurs in 2007 either. LeBron had Wade and Chris Bosh and couldn't even beat an over-the-hill Dirk Nowitzki and a bunch of nobodies. Who was the second best player on that team, the corpse of Jason Terry?
People who think LeBron is better than Jordan by any definition are delusional.
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Quite the broad statement. Jordan is not the best athlete of all time but he is THE best basketball player of all time. Jordan was able to jump and stop mid air and make decisions of what to do. Jordan had the will to take over a game. Jordan wouldn't be a chicken shit like Lebron and drive down and dish the ball out so someone else would miss the 3. He has a way higher basketball IQ. Knows how to fuck with your head. Jordan on the same court with James would end up with James crying asking what happened.
Better Athlete than Jordan? yes. For sure, better ball player? No.
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That Kerr/bj was a menacing duo..... ::)
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That Kerr/bj was a menacing duo..... ::)
:D Yes Steve Kerr really terrorized the league.
LeBron just doesn't have "it". When asked how you stop Stephen Curry today he responded with "you can't" ::) Jordan would have said "You pound him to his knees and skull-fuck him."
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:D Yes Steve Kerr really terrorized the league.
Not many guys in the league can get you a guaranteed 6ppg and provide the kind of fleet footed defense he could.
I think a lot of people forget how great Jordan was (too young, media promotion of lebron to spark ratings, etc). I'm young enough to have seen both in prime yet not old enough to be crotchety/stubborn (younger then lebron). There is no contest when you just watch them play and I haaaaated Jordan (pacers fan then).
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Not many guys in the league can get you a guaranteed 6ppg and provide the kind of fleet footed defense he could.
I think a lot of people forget how great Jordan was (too young, media promotion of lebron to spark ratings, etc). I'm young enough to have seen both in prime yet not old enough to be crotchety/stubborn (younger then lebron). There is no contest when you just watch them play and I haaaaated Jordan (pacers fan then).
the rik smits days!! I saw al harrington playing in high school. dunked like 30 times in an all-star game at bishop verot high school in Ft Myers, FL
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jordan was more aesthetic and better looking by a mile compared to lebron who s blocky raw and inelegant.
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the rik smits days!! I saw al harrington playing in high school. dunked like 30 times in an all-star game at bishop verot high school in Ft Myers, FL
Yeah, they were always so close. Used to literally ruin my day when they lost. When they finally made it after Jordan retired they ran into Shaquille who literally would pound Smits in the face and the foul would be called on him. Kind of comical seeing his face when that would happen. Reggie was a bit past his prime when they finally reached the finals.
Miller was my favorite player. Didn't have Jordan's talent but he was every bit the competitor and didn't back down. Made my day when I had a substitute teacher in school who's granddaughter did some modeling with his then wife and got me his autograph.
Loved dale Davis too even though he couldn't shoot worth anything.
Used to be really into basketball back then (short white guy who averaged 25ppg in high school so played a looot). Don't take things as personally anymore, lol. Like to think I'm less biased now which is true in that I do admit how great Jordan was even though I couldn't at the time since my brother loved him, haha.
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That Kerr/bj was a menacing duo..... ::)
Don't bag on Kerr. We all know the true reason why Jordan won was because of Luc Longley
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I think a better comparison would be Kobe and LeBron....
Kobe has 5 rings to LeBron's 2.
Kobe was a bad man, everyone is a prisoner to the moment talking about LeBron now.
I agree 100%. Everyone is a prisoner of the moment, that's a perfect way to put it. Tine passes and the memory fades a little bit. It's easy to shit of Kobe now because he's past his prime and he's not out there doing it right now. It's easy to forget how great MJ was, or Magic, or Bird. Even for me.
example....
Magic Johnson is my favorite player ever but I even forgot how great he was a little bit. I watched some games from 1989 and 1990 last night and Magic was a fucking beast. He had some crazy stat lines. One game against the Suns he had 34 points, 18 assists, 10 rebounds and he hit the game winning shot at the buzzer. Another game he had 24 points, 8 rebounds, 24 assists and 6 fucking steals. Another game he went for 43 points and 10 assists. People usually say that Magic was the best point guard ever but I still don't think they realize what a bad muthafucka he was. Ridiculous.
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Man puts ball in hoop insane :o :o :o
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jordan, 10 time scoring champion. james = 1 time.
jordan 5 x mvp, james 4 x mvp.
jordan 6 x finals mvp, james 2 x finals mvp
jordan 6 x nba champs, james 2 x nba champ
jordan 3x steals leader, james = 0.
jordan 1 defensive player of the year, james =0.
jordan 9 x all defensive, james =6.
jordan 30.1 ppg, james 28 ppg career.
james 9 games 50+ pts, 1 game 60+. jordan 60+ 5 times, 50+, 39 times
james 49 triple doubles, jordan 31.
Also, Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals while Lebron is only 2-3.
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Also, Jordan is 6-0 in the Finals while Lebron is only 2-3.
If Jordan didn't have his gambling issues and was forced to leave for 2 years he would have been 8-0. That is a fact jack.
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If LeBrick had played against the Piston's Bad Boys teams he would have ended up in the fetal position under the basket crying.
All it takes is one hard foul and he's mentally done for the game. He doesn't like physical play and he's also terrified of having to make crucial free throws at the end of games. Jordan had the mental strength of 1,000 LeBrons.
Why teams don't hard foul him the first time he drives to the basket is beyond me. Have a scrub player do it and take the technical foul or suspension, whatever.
That finals series against Dallas alone keeps LeBron from ever seriously being considered the best player ever.
x2. Man v child
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If LeBrick had played against the Piston's Bad Boys teams he would have ended up in the fetal position under the basket crying.
All it takes is one hard foul and he's mentally done for the game. He doesn't like physical play and he's also terrified of having to make crucial free throws at the end of games. Jordan had the mental strength of 1,000 LeBrons.
Why teams don't hard foul him the first time he drives to the basket is beyond me. Have a scrub player do it and take the technical foul or suspension, whatever.
That finals series against Dallas alone keeps LeBron from ever seriously being considered the best player ever.
This. Jordan is the most mentally driven athlete I have ever seen. A machine. He'd average 50 a game with today's rules.
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This. Jordan is the most mentally driven athlete I have ever seen. A machine. He'd average 50 a game with today's rules.
Could you imagine how big Jordan would be in today's internet world? Good lord, he'd be earning 3 times more than the next highest paid athlete worldwide.Like you said the lack of hand checking, or even being able to touch your defender today he'd be owning the league, not that he didn't own it then, people forget he was bigger than the NBA itself when he played.
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Could you imagine how big Jordan would be in today's internet world? Good lord, he'd be earning 3 times more than the next highest paid athlete worldwide.Like you said the lack of hand checking, or even being able to touch your defender today he'd be owning the league, not that he didn't own it then, people forget he was bigger than the NBA itself when he played.
Even retired Jordan still makes more per year from endorsements than the majority of players. I even seen Lebron wearing Air Jordan gear. I guarantee you'd never see Jordan wearing Lebron gear.
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All time great, one of the best ever but not the GOAT.
No one has won without Hall of Famers, except for the Billups/Wallace Piston team and maybe Dirk.
LeBron lost with the 3rd best shooting guard of all time as his wing man. There's no question he has carried some mediocre teams, and made journeymen household names but down playing Jordans accomplishments to further LeBron 's legacy is a sad troll attempt Earl.
all i said was jordan is the best for now but lebron can pass him, why is that trolling? why is jordan above criticism but lebron gets criticized for everything?
if he didn't leave cleveland kyrie would not be playing for the cavs
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I think a better comparison would be Kobe and LeBron....
Kobe has 5 rings to LeBron's 2.
Kobe was a bad man, everyone is a prisoner to the moment talking about LeBron now.
kobe missed the playoffs with teams similar to the one lebron took to the finals in 07
those first 3 titles were shaq's teams
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What has LeBron done without the Heat ???
Took the Cavs to the Finals twice and lost (about to get massacred by GSW, watch and see), big deal.
He has four more championships to win before this is even a conversation.
taking two bad teams to the finals is more impressive than winning titles with an all star team
and that spurs team in 07 is far superior to any team jordan's bulls beat in the 90's
lebron would have at least 6 titles if he had teammates like jordan had, and if titles matter that much to you why aren't you talking about robert horry? who has the most titles should not be a factor because it takes great TEAMS to win multiple titles
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Why does Tim Duncan get left out of these convos? 5 championships, 15 seasons of 50+ wins. The guy turned that franchise around.
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Why does Tim Duncan get left out of these convos? 5 championships, 15 seasons of 50+ wins. The guy turned that franchise around.
too nice and quiet, too tall and not flashy with his amazing fundamentals
top 10 player ever for sure
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taking two bad teams to the finals is more impressive than winning titles with an all star team
No it's not. LeBron's had the easiest path to the Finals of any superstar ever. The East has been a complete joke for his entire career. This is why he jumped ship to Miami (had to join a team with the cap room for three max players to compete in the Finals) then jumped again when it was clear Miami couldn't hack it anymore.
and that spurs team in 07 is far superior to any team jordan's bulls beat in the 90's
Here is the list of hall of famers who Jordan knocked out of the playoffs or conference Finals:
- Patrick Ewing
- Magic Johnson
- James Worthy
- Clyde Drexler
- Charles Barkley
- Shaq
- Gary Payton
- Alonzo Mourning
- Karl Malone
- John Stockton
Could be more, that's off the top of my head. Let's see LeBron's list.
lebron would have at least 6 titles if he had teammates like jordan had, and if titles matter that much to you why aren't you talking about robert horry? who has the most titles should not be a factor because it takes great TEAMS to win multiple titles
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"Would have could have" blah blah blah, enjoy basketball fantasy "E" but we deal with reality here, and the reality is that LeBron is about to be 2-4 in the Finals where Jordan was 6-0 and had to play a lot tougher competition to even get there. The point is not counting titles you simpleton, the point is how many times did they lead a team to victory in the Finals (Robert Horry did it zero times).
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taking two bad teams to the finals is more impressive than winning titles with an all star team
and that spurs team in 07 is far superior to any team jordan's bulls beat in the 90's
lebron would have at least 6 titles if he had teammates like jordan had, and if titles matter that much to you why aren't you talking about robert horry? who has the most titles should not be a factor because it takes great TEAMS to win multiple titles
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Yes because Lebron did it on his own winning two with Wade and Bosh. lol. Lebron only won 2 championships because of his fabricated team
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Dwight Howard is amazing. Remember how he carried that magic team to the finals in the super strong eastern conference?
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Also, that was the most embarrassing finals I have seen with a player some consider the "greatest" last year. They got smoked terribly. That basically knocked him down to ever even come close to Jordan as well. It was laughable.
Don't know of any other player that would allow that of his caliber.
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No it's not. LeBron's had the easiest path to the Finals of any superstar ever. The East has been a complete joke for his entire career. This is why he jumped ship to Miami (had to join a team with the cap room for three max players to compete in the Finals) then jumped again when it was clear Miami couldn't hack it anymore.
Here is the list of hall of famers who Jordan knocked out of the playoffs or conference Finals:
- Patrick Ewing
- Magic Johnson
- James Worthy
- Clyde Drexler
- Charles Barkley
- Shaq
- Gary Payton
- Alonzo Mourning
- Karl Malone
- John Stockton
Could be more, that's off the top of my head. Let's see LeBron's list.
"Would have could have" blah blah blah, enjoy basketball fantasy "E" but we deal with reality here, and the reality is that LeBron is about to be 2-4 in the Finals where Jordan was 6-0 and had to play a lot tougher competition to even get there. The point is not counting titles you simpleton, the point is how many times did they lead a team to victory in the Finals (Robert Horry did it zero times).
here's lebron's list
tim duncan
tony parker
manu ginobli
kevin durant
russel westbrook
james harden
paul pierce
kevin garnett
ray allen
the pistons team that had 4 all stars, ben and rasheed wallace, chauncey billups, and rip hamilton with a bunch of jobbers on lebron's cavs team
your list is guys that weren't on the same team, old, or not yet in their prime like shaq, in fact i think shaq's magic beat jordan's bulls when he made his comeback, which saved jordan from a beatdown from the rockets which would've crushed the precious "undefeated in title series" argument
aside from the mavericks every team lebron faced in the finals would beat the teams jordan's bulls beat
notice how miami is worthless without lebron? any team he plays for makes the finals
you people love to shit on him because he wasn't given an all star team like jordan, kobe or magic
i repeat kyrie irving is not a cav if lebron stayed in cleveland, though i think lebron proved he didn't need him to make the finals ;D
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Yes because Lebron did it on his own winning two with Wade and Bosh. lol. Lebron only won 2 championships because of his fabricated team
fabricated? you say that like it's his fault the cavs couldn't draft better players
lets not forget the facts
cleveland - lottey team when lebron doesn't play for them
miami - lottey team when lebron doesn't play for them
why don't you guys stop and appreciate greatness rather than dwell on the past and look for ways to diminish his enormous accomplishments?
we are all a witness...
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Also, that was the most embarrassing finals I have seen with a player some consider the "greatest" last year. They got smoked terribly. That basically knocked him down to ever even come close to Jordan as well. It was laughable.
Don't know of any other player that would allow that of his caliber.
yeah too bad lebron wasn't playing against charles barkley and a bunch of jobbers, or clyde drexler and a bunch of jobbers
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Pete Maravich = GOAT.. If they had a three point line in his day he would have averaged well over 50... Some cat with way too much time on his hands broke down every film and superimposed the line... Shaq is my fave though - we were friends in college and hung around some. He is one funny ass dude and cool as hell...
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fabricated? you say that like it's his fault the cavs couldn't draft better players
lets not forget the facts
cleveland - lottey team when lebron doesn't play for them
miami - lottey team when lebron doesn't play for them
why don't you guys stop and appreciate greatness rather than dwell on the past and look for ways to diminish his enormous accomplishments?
we are all a witness...
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all i said was jordan is the best for now but lebron can pass him, why is that trolling? why is jordan above criticism but lebron gets criticized for everything?
if he didn't leave cleveland kyrie would not be playing for the cavs
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Earl maybe I misunderstood your initial post, I agreed with you that LeBron is an all time great, I thought it was too soon to label him the best ever though.
Jordan isn't above criticism, he was routinely bashed as a shoot first ball hog who couldn't win, it took him awhile to learn how to win, for his teammates to mature and to get over his competition in the east Birds Celtic's and Thomas and the rest of the Bad Boys, both championship winners. For his first title Jordan was matched up against 5 time champion Magic Johnson and the Lakers.
Jordan didn't draft Pippen and Grant, nor did he draft Stacey King trade Oakley for Winnington or a host of other dumb moves by Krause. He made those guys the best they could be, Scottie wasn't the same after Chicago ended the dynasty (although he was terrific the time Jordan was away).
LeBron also took teams to greatness but he knew when to leave when they weren't going to get better, ala Cleveland after the decision and Miami this year. To that I say good for him, he should maximize his career opportunities. I respect him more for taking control of the Cavs roster in his return.
Very special talent and we're lucky to be watching him play.
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scottie took the bulls to game 7 of the east finals, without jordan
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Both Jordan and Lebron were/is absolutely outstanding. All around there are some incredible athletes in the NBA right now. Maybe the best ever. Thats coming from a guy that 80's - early 90's were my "yute years"
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scottie took the bulls to game 7 of the east finals, without jordan
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True and the starting two guard on that team was Craig Hodges.
Dwayne Wade destroyed a better Mavericks team, with Shaq as his running mate, then the team he and LeBron lost to.
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here's lebron's list
tim duncan
tony parker
manu ginobli
kevin durant
russel westbrook
james harden
paul pierce
kevin garnett
ray allen
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I don't think you are reading your own arguments. You wrote that all of Jordan's (that he beat) hall of famers were past their prime, etc. then post this list. Makes no sense.
Spurs grouping all three were past their prime last year and beat him like a drum. Only times he beat the Celtic grouping were when they were all past their prime, thunder grouping they were all before their prime (harden and Westbrook were nowhere near the players they are now).
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yeah too bad lebron wasn't playing against charles barkley and a bunch of jobbers, or clyde drexler and a bunch of jobbers
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Yep, there is no answer that you can make as to how bad that was....
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scottie took the bulls to game 7 of the east finals, without jordan
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No he didn't retard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993–94_NBA_season#Playoffs
Re: your joke of a list, the only time LeBron has faced a hall-of-famer in their prime as an opponent was Tim Duncan 2007 and he got his ass kicked. Paul Pierce James Harden Manu Ginobili and Russell Westbrook lol, yeah those guys are on the same level as Magic Johnson, Karl Malone and fucking Shaq.
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No he didn't retard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993–94_NBA_season#Playoffs
Re: your joke of a list, the only time LeBron has faced a hall-of-famer in their prime as an opponent was Tim Duncan 2007 and he got his ass kicked. Paul Pierce James Harden Manu Ginobili and Russell Westbrook lol, yeah those guys are on the same level as Magic Johnson, Karl Malone and fucking Shaq.
Wesbrook wasn't even westbrook yet when the Heat beat them in the finals. It wasn't until late last season and this year that he broke out. he was good but not great yet.
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makes it look so easy.
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I don't think you are reading your own arguments. You wrote that all of Jordan's (that he beat) hall of famers were past their prime, etc. then post this list. Makes no sense.
Spurs grouping all three were past their prime last year and beat him like a drum. Only times he beat the Celtic grouping were when they were all past their prime, thunder grouping they were all before their prime (harden and Westbrook were nowhere near the players they are now).
they were older but the guys i listed were still playing at a championship level when lebron beat them
it's unbelievable how people look for every excuse to discredit the king, bunch of infidels all of you
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No he didn't retard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993–94_NBA_season#Playoffs
Re: your joke of a list, the only time LeBron has faced a hall-of-famer in their prime as an opponent was Tim Duncan 2007 and he got his ass kicked. Paul Pierce James Harden Manu Ginobili and Russell Westbrook lol, yeah those guys are on the same level as Magic Johnson, Karl Malone and fucking Shaq.
ok it was game 7 against the eastern champion, how is that less impressive?
lebron got his ass kicked because the spurs had a much better team, you really think jordan would've beaten them with that cavs team? oh yeah lebron was only 22 years old, jordan was still picking on college kids at that age
jordan lost to shaq and would've lost to magic in the 80's
malone had stockton and a bunch of nobodies versus 3 hall of fame players and the best coach ever, but it was "all jordan" right?
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Wesbrook wasn't even westbrook yet when the Heat beat them in the finals. It wasn't until late last season and this year that he broke out. he was good but not great yet.
he was better than any player other than barkley or drexler on those suns and trail blazer teams
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ok it was game 7 against the eastern champion, how is that less impressive?
Because it's four fewer wins and you are presenting false information due to ignorance, stupidity, or an attempt to artificially inflate the position of your statements. I suspect a bit of all three.
lebron got his ass kicked because the spurs had a much better team, you really think jordan would've beaten them with that cavs team? oh yeah lebron was only 22 years old, jordan was still picking on college kids at that age
jordan lost to shaq and would've lost to magic in the 80's
"Would have could have" yap yap yap, you live in a fantasy world evidently. Jordan lost to Shaq after not playing basketball for a year and a half but LeBron gets a pass I guess for never winning anything without having Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh on his team.
When Jordan was 22 he was an NBA rookie averaging 28 points/game.
malone had stockton and a bunch of nobodies versus 3 hall of fame players and the best coach ever, but it was "all jordan" right?
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lol you truly are just plain dumb "E". The Jazz teams that the Bulls faced in '97 and '98 won 64 and 62 games, the best record both years in the Western conference (against competition like the Olajuwon/Drexler/Barkley Rockets, Robinson's Spurs, Shaq's Lakers, Payton/Kemp Sonics). They were far far better than "malone and stockton and a bunch of nobodies".
In '98 Scottie Pippen missed 38 games and was a shell of his former self in the playoffs especially on defense. Dennis Rodman was never an elite offensive player and had lost a step by then too. So yes, Jordan was doing it all by himself, at age 35.
Who is this mythical third hall-of-famer he won his first three championships with?
You lose, fuck off.
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http://www.foxsportsradio.com/articles/the-locker-room-486404/the-largest-hands-in-the-nba-12467252/
Favorite part of Jordan's game was when he'd palm the ball and put it in the face of an opponent or fake a full extension shot with the ball pull it down and dribble around him. Link has his hands at 11.3
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they were older but the guys i listed were still playing at a championship level when lebron beat them
it's unbelievable how people look for every excuse to discredit the king, bunch of infidels all of you
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No different than you trying to discredit everything MJ accomplished.
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Because it's four fewer wins and you are presenting false information due to ignorance, stupidity, or an attempt to artificially inflate the position of your statements. I suspect a bit of all three.
the fact still remains they were a great team without jordan, if they made it to the east finals your opinion would be the same because that would hurt the myth of jordan
"Would have could have" yap yap yap, you live in a fantasy world evidently. Jordan lost to Shaq after not playing basketball for a year and a half but LeBron gets a pass I guess for never winning anything without having Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh on his team.
he lost to shaq, funny how jordan gets a pass for everything, lebron took two bad teams to the finals without bosh and wade you moron, a conference title counts as "winning anything"
When Jordan was 22 he was an NBA rookie averaging 28 points/game.
lol you truly are just plain dumb "E". The Jazz teams that the Bulls faced in '97 and '98 won 64 and 62 games, the best record both years in the Western conference (against competition like the Olajuwon/Drexler/Barkley Rockets, Robinson's Spurs, Shaq's Lakers, Payton/Kemp Sonics). They were far far better than "malone and stockton and a bunch of nobodies".
they weren't better than the spurs in the 2000's, your examples are stupid, "robinson's spurs" shawn kemp LOL
In '98 Scottie Pippen missed 38 games and was a shell of his former self in the playoffs especially on defense. Dennis Rodman was never an elite offensive player and had lost a step by then too. So yes, Jordan was doing it all by himself, at age 35.
same can be said about wade the last 2 years but i know jordan gets a pass and lebron gets shit
Who is this mythical third hall-of-famer he won his first three championships with?
who is the 3rd one lebron won with? is bosh a hall of famer?
You lose, fuck off.
no you fuck off back to 1996, i'll live in the present and enjoy watching lebron while you still pretend that jordan never missed a shot
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No different than you trying to discredit everything MJ accomplished.
actually yeah it is
this thread was created to bash the king and to suck off jordan
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Lebron with 2 championships cannot be the king. Fuck, even Robert Horry has 7 Rings. More than Jordan and Lebron. lol
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Jeezus, people are serious about their love for Lebron.
Calm the fuck down.
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Jeezus, people are serious about their love for Lebron.
Calm the fuck down.
calm down with the lebron slander and disrespect and stop pretending jordan was some god that did it all by himself
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calm down with the lebron slander and disrespect and stop pretending jordan was some god that did it all by himself
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Earl you a serious problem. Is Lebron your nephew or something?
Let me ask you another question. Would your attitude change if it was discovered that Lebron was using PEDs?
If it would, then I've got some bad news for you.
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Earl you a serious problem. Is Lebron your nephew or something?
Let me ask you another question. Would your attitude change if it was discovered that Lebron was using PEDs?
If it would, then I've got some bad news for you.
haha why do i have the problem? this is what i mean, people hate lebron so much they think you're insane for seeing his greatness
if he was my nephew that would make me royalty too, right?
i'm a bodybuilding fan and you think i would have a problem with ped's?
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calm down with the lebron slander and disrespect and stop pretending jordan was some god that did it all by himself
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Fact is if Lebron had Jordan's brain he'd have won 6 in a row by now.
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Fact is if Lebron had Jordan's brain he'd have won 6 in a row by now.
Silly comment. Lebron's basketball IQ is off the charts.
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Fact is if Lebron had Jordan's brain he'd have won 6 in a row by now.
explain
if he did things the way lebron haters wanted him to do things he never would've left cleveland and he would have zero titles
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Silly comment. Lebron's basketball IQ is off the charts.
Nah, he's weak minded privileged brat like all of the high school to NBAers.
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I love his modesty, lol. This is from ESPN.com
Despite his impeccable past body of work, the 12-year veteran said Monday that he believes he is playing the best basketball of his career right now.
"I think if you put it all together, yeah," James said. "If you put everything together as far as my mind, my body, my game. If you put everything in one bottle, this is probably the best I've been."
"I don't know, I've had some great playoff runs before," James said. "I don't know if this is the top right now, we'll see in less than a month."
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if you switched their brains, Lebron-with-MJ's-mind would be the best basketballer in human history.
if you switched their brains, MJ's-body-with-Lebron's-mind would not be that great.
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if you switched their brains, Lebron-with-MJ's-mind would be the best basketballer in human history.
if you switched their brains, MJ's-body-with-Lebron's-mind would not be that great.
My ultimate basketball player would be Magic Johnson's brain in Lebron's body.
Literally, it would be Magic Johnson on steroids. You don't want to fuck with that.
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My ultimate basketball player would be Magic Johnson's brain in Lebron's body.
Literally, it would be Magic Johnson on steroids. You don't want to fuck with that.
It would be Magic in NBA 2k15. Fucker runs at light speed and doesn't miss a shot in that game. We have a rule that no one can choose the Lakers with Magic.
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It would be Magic in NBA 2k15. Fucker runs at light speed and doesn't miss a shot in that game. We have a rule that no one can choose the Lakers with Magic.
Word. Magic Johnson was faster in his prime then people realize nowadays. It's one of the reasons the "Showtime" fast break was so devastating. His court vision always gets a lot of credit but for me his decision making and even more importantly his instincts are what set him apart.
I've said it before, but I really don't think younger people realize how great he was. No look passes are a great gimmick, but he was so much more than that. The dude was so versatile, so efficient and so unselfish. He was also crazy clutch. People often act like Michael Jordan invented the game of basketball and there's no room for anyone else. I think that's a shame.
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Word. Magic Johnson was faster in his prime then people realize nowadays. It's one of the reasons the "Showtime" fast break was so devastating. His court vision always gets a lot of credit but for me his decision making and even more importantly his instincts are what set him apart.
I've said it before, but I really don't think younger people realize how great he was. No look passes are a great gimmick, but he was so much more than that. The dude was so versatile, so efficient and so unselfish. He was also crazy clutch. People often act like Michael Jordan invented the game of basketball and there's no room for anyone else. I think that's a shame.
Magic was amazing. Even when he was a bit older and had lost a step he was still probably the most exciting player in the league to watch.
The highlight at 3:35 makes me wish they (him and MJ) would have been on the same team somehow. Would have run a train on the league.
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Word. Magic Johnson was faster in his prime then people realize nowadays. It's one of the reasons the "Showtime" fast break was so devastating. His court vision always gets a lot of credit but for me his decision making and even more importantly his instincts are what set him apart.
I've said it before, but I really don't think younger people realize how great he was. No look passes are a great gimmick, but he was so much more than that. The dude was so versatile, so efficient and so unselfish. He was also crazy clutch. People often act like Michael Jordan invented the game of basketball and there's no room for anyone else. I think that's a shame.
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Yup. People today are amazed by curry but Johnson was curry with a Few more inches and twice the body strength.
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My ultimate basketball player would be Magic Johnson's brain in Lebron's body.
Literally, it would be Magic Johnson on steroids. You don't want to fuck with that.
Damn, that really is true what you said here.
No expert at all myself, but think Lebron for sure is the better athlete, but not player. His size just puts him on such a high level.
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Apparently so is LaVar Ball , according to LaVar Ball
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Wilton Norman Chamberlain.
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Apparently so is LaVar Ball , according to LaVar Ball
who?
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who?
He claimed this UCLA TEAM with his son would beat the golden state warriors
Guaranteed ucla would win the entire Ncaa title this year because his son was on the team
UCLA is a minute away from elimination
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He claimed this UCLA TEAM with his son would beat the golden state warriors
Guaranteed ucla would win the entire Ncaa title this year because his son was on the team
UCLA is a minute away from elimination
lol
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This is tough to ponder, but Michael Jordan was also able to play AA baseball after not have played baseball
for nearly two decades. That's pretty fucking impressive.
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Lavar Ball is fucking hilarious. Pure comedy.
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From a physical standpoint, Lebron is the bigger athlete. However, Michael is better by a country mile and always will be. Michael Jordan is the most intensely competitive athlete ever. He defines the word clutch. 6 NBA titles and 6 finals MVP's, never allowing a game 7. Perfection in the finals. Michael had the most intense drive of any athlete ever. Lebron? Nope.
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Wilt Chamberlain competed in the quarter mile and shot put as well as being the most dominant basketball player of all time. Also, he's the strongest basketball player of all time. Wilt Chamberlain is a better athlete than LeBron and Jordan .
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Wilt was known for his INSANE physical strength.
Man was literally a FREAK genetically, very gifted man, I read years ago it was said he could deadlift around 800 lb.
Wiggs is correct about Wilt ......
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Being a great athlete is more than just physical capability. Mentally, Jordan was a machine.
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Wilton Norman Chamberlain.
you beat me to it. no one better could have starred in football...was a track athlete and great volleyball player .was a sexual tyrannosaurus as well..pic taken after he had sex with 100 women in one night
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you beat me to it. no one better could have starred in football...was a track athlete and great volleyball player .was a sexual tyrannosaurus as well..pic taken after he had sex with 100 women in one night
Lol. Long live innocence
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the best athletes in all of sports are football backs
i.e. running backs and defensive backs
FACT
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Then there's Bo Jackson. Nuff said.
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Imagine if you could have transplanted Jordan's focus and will to win in Mike Tyson's body.
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Imagine if you could have transplanted Jordan's focus and will to win in Mike Tyson's body.
Scary thought.
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I think Russell Westbrook should be added to this conversation.
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I think Russell Westbrook should be added to this conversation.
Westbrook has the best endurance of any player in ages. Fucker runs top speed the entire game.
Scary would be Jordan's will and desire to win in Lebron's body. Lebron might have drove in and dunked the ball more instead of passing it to some scrub to miss a three.
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Phil Heath. Because he is basketball player with 6 (count them!) Sandows. And he has his own shoes, and has inspired millions to work out their arms.
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Phil Heath. Because he is basketball player with 6 (count them!) Sandows. And he has his own shoes, and has inspired millions to work out their arms.
Or in judochoke's case to work out their arm.
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Phil Heath. Because he is basketball player with 6 (count them!) Sandows. And he has his own shoes, and has inspired millions to work out their arms.
If Ronnie Coleman wanted to win in basketball, he would have. If he wanted to race Nascar, he would have been the best. He chose the sport of bodybuilding. Greatest athlete we've ever known.
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Wilt Chamberlain competed in the quarter mile and shot put as well as being the most dominant basketball player of all time. Also, he's the strongest basketball player of all time. Wilt Chamberlain is a better athlete than LeBron and Jordan .
This.
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If Ronnie Coleman wanted to win in basketball, he would have. If he wanted to race Nascar, he would have been the best. He chose the sport of bodybuilding. Greatest athlete we've ever known.
Only if Chad Nicholls was his crew chief.
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Lebron just got out hustled, out played and flat out waxed by Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green LOL.
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Lebron just got out hustled, out played and flat out waxed by Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green LOL.
...and I hope this scenario will play out again in the NBA Finals.
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...and I hope this scenario will play out again in the NBA Finals.
keep dreaming
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...and I hope this scenario will play out again in the NBA Finals.
I do too, but Cavs (Lebron and Kyrie) always turn up the intensity in the post season. It's like they do just enough to secure the 1st seed in the East and then coast to the post season.
Although, Cavs just lost the 1st seed to the Celtics so they're gonna have to step up to close out.
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LOL, yeah I basically agree....regular v post season Lebron are two different Lebrons.
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LOL, yeah I basically agree....regular v post season Lebron are two different Lebrons.
Cleveland Cavaliers 2015-16 defense and 2016-17 defense are two different defenses.
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Wilt was known for his INSANE physical strength.
Man was literally a FREAK genetically, very gifted man, I read years ago it was said he could deadlift around 800 lb.
Wiggs is correct about Wilt ......
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Prime Wilt the Stilt had the ideal build for an 800# deadlift.
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Prime Wilt the Stilt had the ideal build for an 800# deadlift.
That is a getbig stated lift. ::)
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lavar-ball-says-that-lonzo-will-win-six-championship-rings-004044352.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lavar-ball-says-that-lonzo-will-win-six-championship-rings-004044352.html)
LOL these 2 dumb shits on tv today, Son said he will win 5 NBA titles , Father said his son will win more then 6 titles once he is in the NBA
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Also Claiming The lakers Need his son, that if the new Lakers GM Magic Johnson Drafts his son, he will be better than Magic
“Lonzo (would) have that same impact Magic (Johnson) had. I’m trying to tell you. Same impact,” LaVar told Stephen A. Smith on ESPN’s First Take before raising up an even more outlandish claim.
“He’ll be better than Magic, how’s that?”
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He is smoking some crazy stuff. ::)
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Parents of athletes need to shut the fuck up and stay out of sight.