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Three times or more the price, no added benefit.
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No. Stupid Free Range Hippies suits them better.
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You're "stupid" for believing there's no added benefit. The benefit is you're eating food that's not genetically modified. You should do some research.
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I believe in it more and more.
But thought it was some hippy shit at first indeed.
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You're "stupid" for believing there's no added benefit. The benefit is you're eating food that's not genetically modified. You should do some research.
All food is genetically modified. Have you never heard of Gregor Mendel? Keep paying triple for fads.
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I believe in it more and more.
But thought it was some hippy shit at first indeed.
There is no peer reviewed study that shows any benefit. There is also no real definition of organic and no controls on it. Wake up, you are being fed a line of corporate bullshit.
You'd be much healthier cutting out sugar.
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I believe in it more and more.
But thought it was some hippy shit at first indeed.
That's what they grow it in. Hippie shit.
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Yes. Or delusional. What the usda allows to be advertised as "organic" is in contrast to what most people would define as organic.
6/7 years ago I dated a chick who bought everything labeled organic: chips, juices, frozen products, I seem to remember a box of organic Rice Krispy's...... Needless to say I searched what constitutes labeling a food item organic, and if I remember correctly among other weak statutes, it was a product where the land had been pesticide free for two planting seasons, and if I'm not mistaken agricultural soil is required to have a pesticide free crop every number of years anyhow (it's been awhile so my info may be a little shaky, but I'm sure if someone were to use Google they would easily correct me).
Anyhow I showed this to her and she told me that I could eat unhealthy if I wanted, she wasn't putting chemicals in her body. ::)
Same woman would only drink Evian bottled water, I once bought her a bottle of Aquafina and she went nuts. I told her it's all tap water, that she'd be fine and she went on a rant why Evian was superior and I wasn't going to change her......... good times.
There is no peer reviewed study that shows any benefit. There is also no real definition of organic and no controls on it. Wake up, you are being fed a line of corporate bullshit.
You'd be much healthier cutting out sugar.
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Only thing I can say about organic is that it has way less salt. So that's one good thing.
Try going back to regular salsa or ketchup after you get used to organic....it's like a salt lick.
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You're "stupid" for believing there's no added benefit. The benefit is you're eating food that's not genetically modified. You should do some research.
Many foods have been genetically modified. These are the original, unmodified versions of some foods:
(http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Bt-h98ECMAAd1JS.png)
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I like organic gluten free Ezekial bread. For its taste. Not for its nutritional content.
And I ear farmed fish. And canned dolphin. lol
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Geez, organic means grown with no pesticides, herbicides, or artificial fertilizers. Do you believe Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow when they say the residue left on fruits and vegetables from their products is safe for human consumption?
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Despite overwhelming evidence that GM crops are safe to eat, the debate over their use continues to rage, and in some parts of the world, it is growing ever louder. Skeptics would argue that this contentiousness is a good thing—that we cannot be too cautious when tinkering with the genetic basis of the world's food supply.
To researchers, however, the persistence of fears about GM foods is nothing short of exasperating. “In spite of hundreds of millions of genetic experiments involving every type of organism on earth,” he says, “and people eating billions of meals without a problem, we've gone back to being ignorant.”
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-genetically-modified-food/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-genetically-modified-food/)
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Geez, organic means grown with no pesticides, herbicides, or artificial fertilizers. Do you believe Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow when they say the residue left on fruits and vegetables from their products is safe for human consumption?
John DuPont seemed like a trusting nice guy.
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Geez, organic means grown with no pesticides, herbicides, or artificial fertilizers. Do you believe Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow when they say the residue left on fruits and vegetables from their products is safe for human consumption?
Incorrect
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Incorrect
what part is incorrect?
From wikipedia
"Organic foods are foods produced by organic farming. While the standards differ worldwide, organic farming in general features cultural, biological, and mechanical practices that foster cycling of resources, promote ecological balance, and conserve biodiversity. Synthetic pesticides and chemical fertilizers are not allowed, although certain organically approved pesticides may be used under limited conditions. In general, organic foods are also not processed using irradiation, industrial solvents, or synthetic food additives."
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Geez, organic means grown with no pesticides, herbicides, or artificial fertilizers. Do you believe Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow when they say the residue left on fruits and vegetables from their products is safe for human consumption?
Today's "modern" bodybuilder have more drugs in them than all the so-called Genetically Modified foods grown in the last several years. And that's just fine with so many "fans".
Getbiggers (of which alas, I cannot lay claim to the title) are big fans of Biologically Modified Corn, aka BM Corn, aka BMC. Well, not really BMC as he is perhaps the single most undemanding heterosexual male on this site.
BM Corn is the Getbigger's delight.
And again, bodybuilders today are so full of crap that genetically modified foodstuff is nothing scary to the noble thongolian warrior of the dais. Getting a real tan however, terrorizes these drug puppies.
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what part is incorrect?
From wikipedia
"Organic foods are foods produced by organic farming. While the standards differ worldwide, organic farming in general features cultural, biological, and mechanical practices that foster cycling of resources, promote ecological balance, and conserve biodiversity. Synthetic pesticides and chemical fertilizers are not allowed, although certain organically approved pesticides may be used under limited conditions. In general, organic foods are also not processed using irradiation, industrial solvents, or synthetic food additives."
You said no pesticides were used. And conveniently left out the prior part to your Wikipedia definition
Organic farming is a form of agriculture that relies on techniques such as crop rotation, green manure, compost, and biological pest control. Depending on whose definition is used, organic farming uses fertilizers and pesticides (which include herbicides, insecticides and fungicides) if they are considered natural (such as bone meal from animals or pyrethrin from flowers), but it excludes or strictly limits the use of various methods (including synthetic petrochemical fertilizers and pesticides
I'm in agriculture and we use certain pesticides that can also legally be used on USDA organic produce, and they are sure as hell aren't all natural. Up until a few years ago, organic strawberry growers could spray nicotine on their crops since it's a naturally occurring alkaloid found in the nightshade family. That's not exactly healthy. Do you realize what a commerially grown crop that is grown outdoors would look like without any pesticides? There wouldn't be a crop or a farmer to grow it because he'd be broke.
http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=9874504b6f1025eb0e6b67cadf9d3b40&rgn=div6&view=text&node=7:3.1.1.9.32.7&idno=7#se7.3.205_1601
§205.601 Synthetic substances allowed for use in organic crop production.
In accordance with restrictions specified in this section, the following synthetic substances may be used in organic crop production: Provided, That, use of such substances do not contribute to contamination of crops, soil, or water. Substances allowed by this section, except disinfectants and sanitizers in paragraph (a) and those substances in paragraphs (c), (j), (k), and (l) of this section, may only be used when the provisions set forth in §205.206(a) through (d) prove insufficient to prevent or control the target pest.
(a) As algicide, disinfectants, and sanitizer, including irrigation system cleaning systems.
(1) Alcohols.
(i) Ethanol.
(ii) Isopropanol.
(2) Chlorine materials—For pre-harvest use, residual chlorine levels in the water in direct crop contact or as water from cleaning irrigation systems applied to soil must not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act, except that chlorine products may be used in edible sprout production according to EPA label directions.
(i) Calcium hypochlorite.
(ii) Chlorine dioxide.
(iii) Sodium hypochlorite.
(3) Copper sulfate—for use as an algicide in aquatic rice systems, is limited to one application per field during any 24-month period. Application rates are limited to those which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent.
(4) Hydrogen peroxide.
(5) Ozone gas—for use as an irrigation system cleaner only.
(6) Peracetic acid—for use in disinfecting equipment, seed, and asexually propagated planting material. Also permitted in hydrogen peroxide formulations as allowed in §205.601(a) at concentration of no more than 6% as indicated on the pesticide product label.
(7) Soap-based algicide/demossers.
(8) Sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate (CAS #-15630-89-4)—Federal law restricts the use of this substance in food crop production to approved food uses identified on the product label.
(b) As herbicides, weed barriers, as applicable.
(1) Herbicides, soap-based—for use in farmstead maintenance (roadways, ditches, right of ways, building perimeters) and ornamental crops.
(2) Mulches.
(i) Newspaper or other recycled paper, without glossy or colored inks.
(ii) Plastic mulch and covers (petroleum-based other than polyvinyl chloride (PVC)).
(iii) Biodegradable biobased mulch film as defined in §205.2. Must be produced without organisms or feedstock derived from excluded methods.
(c) As compost feedstocks—Newspapers or other recycled paper, without glossy or colored inks.
(d) As animal repellents—Soaps, ammonium—for use as a large animal repellant only, no contact with soil or edible portion of crop.
(e) As insecticides (including acaricides or mite control).
(1) Ammonium carbonate—for use as bait in insect traps only, no direct contact with crop or soil.
(2) Aqueous potassium silicate (CAS #-1312-76-1)—the silica, used in the manufacture of potassium silicate, must be sourced from naturally occurring sand.
(3) Boric acid—structural pest control, no direct contact with organic food or crops.
(4) Copper sulfate—for use as tadpole shrimp control in aquatic rice production, is limited to one application per field during any 24-month period. Application rates are limited to levels which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent.
(5) Elemental sulfur.
(6) Lime sulfur—including calcium polysulfide.
(7) Oils, horticultural—narrow range oils as dormant, suffocating, and summer oils.
(8) Soaps, insecticidal.
(9) Sticky traps/barriers.
(10) Sucrose octanoate esters (CAS #s—42922-74-7; 58064-47-4)—in accordance with approved labeling.
(f) As insect management. Pheromones.
(g) As rodenticides. Vitamin D3.
(h) As slug or snail bait. Ferric phosphate (CAS # 10045-86-0).
(i) As plant disease control.
(1) Aqueous potassium silicate (CAS #-1312-76-1)—the silica, used in the manufacture of potassium silicate, must be sourced from naturally occurring sand.
(2) Coppers, fixed—copper hydroxide, copper oxide, copper oxychloride, includes products exempted from EPA tolerance, Provided, That, copper-based materials must be used in a manner that minimizes accumulation in the soil and shall not be used as herbicides.
(3) Copper sulfate—Substance must be used in a manner that minimizes accumulation of copper in the soil.
(4) Hydrated lime.
(5) Hydrogen peroxide.
(6) Lime sulfur.
(7) Oils, horticultural, narrow range oils as dormant, suffocating, and summer oils.
(8) Peracetic acid—for use to control fire blight bacteria. Also permitted in hydrogen peroxide formulations as allowed in §205.601(i) at concentration of no more than 6% as indicated on the pesticide product label.
(9) Potassium bicarbonate.
(10) Elemental sulfur.
(11) Streptomycin, for fire blight control in apples and pears only until October 21, 2014.
(12) Tetracycline, for fire blight control in apples and pears only until October 21, 2014.
(j) As plant or soil amendments.
(1) Aquatic plant extracts (other than hydrolyzed)—Extraction process is limited to the use of potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide; solvent amount used is limited to that amount necessary for extraction.
(2) Elemental sulfur.
(3) Humic acids—naturally occurring deposits, water and alkali extracts only.
(4) Lignin sulfonate—chelating agent, dust suppressant.
(5) Magnesium sulfate—allowed with a documented soil deficiency.
(6) Micronutrients—not to be used as a defoliant, herbicide, or desiccant. Those made from nitrates or chlorides are not allowed. Soil deficiency must be documented by testing.
(i) Soluble boron products.
(ii) Sulfates, carbonates, oxides, or silicates of zinc, copper, iron, manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and cobalt.
(7) Liquid fish products—can be pH adjusted with sulfuric, citric or phosphoric acid. The amount of acid used shall not exceed the minimum needed to lower the pH to 3.5.
(8) Vitamins, B1, C, and E.
(9) Sulfurous acid (CAS # 7782-99-2) for on-farm generation of substance utilizing 99% purity elemental sulfur per paragraph (j)(2) of this section.
(k) As plant growth regulators. Ethylene gas—for regulation of pineapple flowering.
(l) As floating agents in postharvest handling.
(1) Lignin sulfonate.
(2) Sodium silicate—for tree fruit and fiber processing.
(m) As synthetic inert ingredients as classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), for use with nonsynthetic substances or synthetic substances listed in this section and used as an active pesticide ingredient in accordance with any limitations on the use of such substances.
(1) EPA List 4—Inerts of Minimal Concern.
(2) EPA List 3—Inerts of unknown toxicity—for use only in passive pheromone dispensers.
(n) Seed preparations. Hydrogen chloride (CAS # 7647-01-0)—for delinting cotton seed for planting.
(o) As production aids. Microcrystalline cheesewax (CAS #'s 64742-42-3, 8009-03-08, and 8002-74-2)-for use in log grown mushroom production. Must be made without either ethylene-propylene co-polymer or synthetic colors.
(p)-(z) [Reserved]
[65 FR 80637, Dec. 21, 2000, as amended at 68 FR 61992, Oct. 31, 2003; 71 FR 53302 Sept. 11, 2006; 72 FR 69572, Dec. 10, 2007; 75 FR 38696, July 6, 2010; 75 FR 77524, Dec. 13, 2010; 77 FR 8092, Feb. 14, 2012; 77 FR 33298, June 6, 2012; 77 FR 45907, Aug. 2, 2012; 78 FR 31821, May 28, 2013; 79 FR 58663, Sept. 30, 2014]
Plus, the USDA or EPA doing their once a year audits where they even tell you when they're coming, aren't going to catch growers breaking the rules. Organic farming is a big scam, and they're profiting from the general public thinking it's "healthier"
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There is no peer reviewed study that shows any benefit. There is also no real definition of organic and no controls on it. Wake up, you are being fed a line of corporate bullshit.
You'd be much healthier cutting out sugar.
this..Wiggs is getting to the "gloss over his post point"
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Only thing I can say about organic is that it has way less salt. So that's one good thing.
Try going back to regular salsa or ketchup after you get used to organic....it's like a salt lick.
This isn't a dig at you but that is ridiculous. Salt is the most organic thing on the planet. If you want to eat pure foods not processed or without chemicals that is fine. I think that is good. But there is no difference between an organic egg and a nonorganic egg. Or carrot.
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You're "stupid" for believing there's no added benefit. The benefit is you're eating food that's not genetically modified. You should do some research.
Wiggs don't make me get my 1861 on your ass
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Geez, organic means grown with no pesticides, herbicides, or artificial fertilizers. Do you believe Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow when they say the residue left on fruits and vegetables from their products is safe for human consumption?
Do you beleive the crap you buy in stores labelled organic is grown without those things? Wake up.
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Today's "modern" bodybuilder have more drugs in them than all the so-called Genetically Modified foods grown in the last several years. And that's just fine with so many "fans".
Getbiggers (of which alas, I cannot lay claim to the title) are big fans of Biologically Modified Corn, aka BM Corn, aka BMC. Well, not really BMC as he is perhaps the single most undemanding heterosexual male on this site.
BM Corn is the Getbigger's delight.
And again, bodybuilders today are so full of crap that genetically modified foodstuff is nothing scary to the noble thongolian warrior of the dais. Getting a real tan however, terrorizes these drug puppies.
BM corn, thongolian warrior. nice.
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Geez, organic means grown with no pesticides, herbicides, or artificial fertilizers. Do you believe Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow when they say the residue left on fruits and vegetables from their products is safe for human consumption?
Organic farming often does use pesticides. There is a list of organically approved pesticides they can use. Generally as long as they are not synthetic they can use them. 9 of these that I know of "organic pesticides" are listed as highly toxic.
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There is no peer reviewed study that shows any benefit. There is also no real definition of organic and no controls on it. Wake up, you are being fed a line of corporate bullshit.
You'd be much healthier cutting out sugar.
Gotta know WHO you are getting your food from. But you make some good points and thought exactly the same as you did.
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Organic farming often does use pesticides. There is a list of organically approved pesticides they can use. Generally as long as they are not synthetic they can use them. 9 of these that I know of "organic pesticides" are listed as highly toxic.
See my previous post. It lists synthetic chemicals that can be used in the U.S. on organic crops. I'm pretty sure the majority of the people who buy organic don't even realize it. Not only that, but the lack of regulation gives the grower tons of freedom to get away with a lot.
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Wiggs don't make me get my 1861 on your ass
Awesome year for organically grown front lawns!
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On a side note, I find the modern organic/anti GMO movement to be quite fascinating. It brings the extremes from both the far, far right and far, far left together in an extreme mix of craziness. You got the anti corporate/1%/anarchist from the far left, and the hard core anti Government, conspiracy theorist, chemtrail, agenda 21 NWO people from the far right also a part of it.
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Plus, the USDA or EPA doing their once a year audits where they even tell you when they're coming, aren't going to catch growers breaking the rules. Organic farming is a big scam, and they're profiting from the general public thinking it's "healthier"
Thanks for the all the info.
I don't have a problem with organic farmers making extra money but it irritates me how many intelligent people I know who don't realize what passes as organic. I think many have an assumption of what they think organic means but it isn't the working/practicing definition.
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At this point "organic" means about the same as "natty". Everyone's definition is different to the point where it really has no meaning.
Big Ramy is natural? Well, compared to Oscar Pistorius, yes.
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Thanks for the all the info.
I don't have a problem with organic farmers making extra money but it irritates me how many intelligent people I know who don't realize what passes as organic. I think many have an assumption of what they think organic means but it isn't the working/practicing definition.
You're welcome. It's funny when I tell people what I do for work, and the first thing they ask is if we're organic haha
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Some of you are morons. There are a plethora of farmers markets and then there's U.S.D.A. Certified organic. There are indeed, standards. ::)
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/noporganicstandards
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You're welcome. It's funny when I tell people what I do for work, and the first thing they ask is if we're organic haha
Yes, thanks for laying the smack down in this thread definitively and succinctly.
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Some of you are morons. There are a plethora of farmers markets and then there's U.S.D.A. Certified organic. There are indeed, standards. ::)
http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/noporganicstandards
Their standards also include the allowed use of certain synthetic pesticides. I hope this helps.
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On a side note, I find the modern organic/anti GMO movement to be quite fascinating. It brings the extremes from both the far, far right and far, far left together in an extreme mix of craziness. You got the anti corporate/1%/anarchist from the far left, and the hard core anti Government, conspiracy theorist, chemtrail, agenda 21 NWO people from the far right also a part of it.
This is a very good and interesting point. But there is no way you will convince me that both of those two groups don't do a ton of shit terrible for their bodies like when the hippie anarchists hit up Jack in the Box for Fourth meal. Or the anti-vaxxers or chemtrail crowd guzzle down Arby's or Costco churros.
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Their standards include the allowed use of synthetic pesticides. I hope this helps.
And there is no policing mechanism anyway. At best a small fine, if you get caught, which never happens. Might as well eat Arby's or Taco Bell. Might as well eat an effing hunk of plastic.
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And there is no policing mechanism anyway. At best a small fine, if you get caught, which never happens. Might as well eat Arby's or Taco Bell. Might as well eat an effing hunk of plastic.
I'm sure there's random tissue samples done of the final product although it's probably a joke compared to the actual volume of the harvest. Something like a bell pepper which can take over 3 months to harvest depending on the weather could technically be sprayed with something not on the allowed pesticides list early on and wouldn't show up when it was tested for chemicals 2 or 3 months later. It's like passing the steroid test at the '90 Mr. Olympia!
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I actually respect the "organic" farmers who are faking it and ripping off the foolish. Take their money, they are too stupid to hold on to it.
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I actually respect the "organic" farmers who are faking it and ripping off the foolish. Take their money, they are too stupid to hold on to it.
I'm seeing a lot of organic stuff from Mexico in stores. Do you think their government officials are regulating them down there during the growing process? Hahaha
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I'm seeing a lot of organic stuff from Mexico in stores. Do you think their government officials are regulating them down there during the growing process? Hahaha
HAHAHAHA
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Im so jaded now after watching all those netflix food documentaries: King Corn, Farmageddon , Food Inc, etc
Its hard to trust the USDA these days.
Food labeling in general is a fucking joke. Theres more hype, spin, misinformation and advertising than the actual, true ingredients and their quantities
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Three times or more the price, no added benefit.
Reading this on an American board, I.e. The most obese, kidney/liver/pancreas/heart failing, pharmaceutical-dependent nation on earth is hilarious
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Thanks for the all the info.
I don't have a problem with organic farmers making extra money but it irritates me how many intelligent people I know who don't realize what passes as organic. I think many have an assumption of what they think organic means but it isn't the working/practicing definition.
So organic sucks because it has as many shitty additives as normal processed food? - which by definition must also suck. Ergo the concept of true organic food is presumably a good one?
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So organic sucks because it has as many shitty additives as normal processed food? - which by definition must also suck. Ergo the concept of true organic food is presumably a good one?
Lurn to reed u better. No better and three times the price. It's all the same. Just cut out sugar and quit fiddle farting around.
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Geez, organic means grown with no pesticides, herbicides, or artificial fertilizers. Do you believe Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow when they say the residue left on fruits and vegetables from their products is safe for human consumption?
x2. It"s not about whether or not an organism has been genetically modified (nobody cares and as stated above, most organisms already have been modified). But I don't want to eat any pesticide or fertilizer. So yes, I buy organic food. Call me stupid, homo, hippie, if you feel better. I will out-live you ;D
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organic ground beef has me eating ground beef again as grocery store ground beef gave me the runs all the time. Bloated stomach as well. Organic ground beef when uncooked looks like a disgusting paste, lol.
The beef and eggs have made a difference and was encouraged to do this by people who have nothing to gain my saying that to me.
I'M also gonna ditch all microwave use at the end of this month.
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x2. It"s not about whether or not an organism has been genetically modified (nobody cares and as stated above, most organisms already have been modified). But I don't want to eat any pesticide or fertilizer. So yes, I buy organic food. Call me stupid, homo, hippie, if you feel better. I will out-live you ;D
God dammit, Mitch. I like you as a poster , but did you not read anything I wrote? Not sure how they do it in other countries, but in the U.S., organic includes the use of pesticides (including some synthetic ones). This is a great example of people not educating themselves and following the fearful crowd and supporting their own uninformed beliefs with zero logic.
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That's true, my answer was incomplete. I was talking about the chemical/artificial/industrial pesticides and herbicides. Most of them are carcinogenic. Google will help you to find serious studies (from gov and from "independent" NGO) on this subject :)
Some organic pesticides/herbicides are carcinogenic too, I'm well aware of that.
It's also a question of personal taste: I buy organic meat because it tastes better, but I don't buy organic eggs because they taste like shit.
At the end of the day, it's all paradoxes, compromises, biased studies and tasty meat ;D
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The real idiots, are the ones who are on 3 or more types of gear that has been mixed in a bathtub with non-traceable powders from China, alongside insulin and HGH injections, but only eat 'organic food' because they don't want all those 'chemicals' in their bodies hahahahaha
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Only way to eat organic is grow it in your backyard. There's a saying in the farming industry, "organic 6 days a week" These large commercial organic growers skirt the rules all the time.
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That's true, my answer was incomplete. I was talking about the chemical/artificial/industrial pesticides and herbicides. Most of them are carcinogenic. Google will help you to find serious studies (from gov and from "independent" NGO) on this subject :)
Some organic pesticides/herbicides are carcinogenic too, I'm well aware of that.
It's also a question of personal taste: I buy organic meat because it tastes better, but I don't buy organic eggs because they taste like shit.
At the end of the day, it's all paradoxes, compromises, biased studies and tasty meat ;D
Dammit, that was going to be part of my response. If I'm at Costco, I'll sometimes buy organic stuff. Not that I'm a big believer in it, but when the prices are very comparable to conventional foods, why not buy it for shits? I respect your opinion though.
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organic ground beef has me eating ground beef again as grocery store ground beef gave me the runs all the time. Bloated stomach as well. Organic ground beef when uncooked looks like a disgusting paste, lol.
The beef and eggs have made a difference and was encouraged to do this by people who have nothing to gain my saying that to me.
I'M also gonna ditch all microwave use at the end of this month.
This is simply a sign of delusion and mental illness. Are you going to ditch air conditioning also?
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That's true, my answer was incomplete. I was talking about the chemical/artificial/industrial pesticides and herbicides. Most of them are carcinogenic. Google will help you to find serious studies (from gov and from "independent" NGO) on this subject :)
Some organic pesticides/herbicides are carcinogenic too, I'm well aware of that.
It's also a question of personal taste: I buy organic meat because it tastes better, but I don't buy organic eggs because they taste like shit.
At the end of the day, it's all paradoxes, compromises, biased studies and tasty meat ;D
This is no different than all those germophobes that have been created by the hygiene industry trying to convince you that you need to wash your hands in Purell every 15 seconds. I gurantee you could not tell the difference taste or otherwise in a double blind comparison. I invite you and everyone else over to Navy Mike's front yard for a cook out/taste test next Saturday.
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Only way to eat organic is grow it in your backyard. There's a saying in the farming industry, "organic 6 days a week" These large commercial organic growers skirt the rules all the time.
I think I've also heard "natty 6 days a week" and "Herero 6 days a week"
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This is no different than all those germophobes that have been created by the hygiene industry trying to convince you that you need to wash your hands in Purell every 15 seconds. I gurantee you could not tell the difference taste or otherwise in a double blind comparison. I invite you and everyone else over to Navy Mike's front yard for a cook out/taste test next Saturday.
Is it BYOW (bring your own weedwacker)?
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I once grew some 'organic tomatoes' in my garden, using only native soil from my vegetable patch and some homemade compost. Everytime I had someone over for dinner, I would mention that I used my 'homegrown organic tomatoes' in the pasta sauce or salad we were eating, until one of my smartass buddies asked me 'which household organic items did you use to make the organic compost you used?' I then realised, that my tomatoes were grown using out of date oreos/eggs from caged hens/leftover chinese etc among other things.
The only time i've ever grown truly organic produce, is when I grew 2 skunk plants from some bagseed I found. It was a truly fulfilling and natural experience smoking my 100% organic sensimilia sprinkled over half a benson & hedges cigarette containing over 400 chemicals.
Homemade compost made out of Oreos?
If you eat the Oreos and then use your own waste as fertilizer does it transform into organic.
Everything in the universe is organic. We're all just as God made us.
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Is it BYOW (bring your own weedwacker)?
Yes, and any discarded syringes you step on you get to keep as a party favor.
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Yes, and any discarded syringes you step on you get to keep as a party favor.
Ill bring the DNP (rat poison) since there's a good chance some of the guest will be on a cut in pursuit of the plastic trophy
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I am not so far into the organic movement that I won't eat anything but organic, but, my milk and meats are organic/free range. I'm not trying to get a dose of finaplex with my steak, or milk. Like someone else posted, Schnauzer I believe, corn was genetically modified from a grass by early native Americas centuries ago.
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I am not so far into the organic movement that I won't eat anything but organic, but, my milk and meats are organic/free range. I'm not trying to get a dose of finaplex with my steak, or milk. Like someone else posted, Schnauzer I believe, corn was genetically modified from a grass by early native Americas centuries ago.
Paying more for organic meat or milk is just a vanity play for the Mrs. Gooch's crowd. Much greater chance of contamination in organics due to lack of quality control.
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This isn't a dig at you but that is ridiculous. Salt is the most organic thing on the planet. If you want to eat pure foods not processed or without chemicals that is fine. I think that is good. But there is no difference between an organic egg and a nonorganic egg. Or carrot.
Salt is also a preservative in high quantity. You're missing the point. I like the taste of food that has less salt and sugar filler in it. That was my point.
Example - no salt added blue corn tortilla chips compared to dollar store salty assed white corn chips. Might as well just get Doritos....
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There is no peer reviewed study that shows any benefit. There is also no real definition of organic and no controls on it. Wake up, you are being fed a line of corporate bullshit.
You'd be much healthier cutting out sugar.
this is absolutely true. Cutting out processed sugar is arguably the best health benefit for the masses. People are way too hung up on cutting out fat but have no problem sucking down a nonfat frappucino with 50g sugar every morning. As for organic food, I think its fine to try and eat from local farms and such if it's available and not twice the price. But going completely organic isn't really feasible for most of is at this point.
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This is no different than all those germophobes that have been created by the hygiene industry trying to convince you that you need to wash your hands in Purell every 15 seconds. I gurantee you could not tell the difference taste or otherwise in a double blind comparison. I invite you and everyone else over to Navy Mike's front yard for a cook out/taste test next Saturday.
Navy Mike's front yard is the reason why I don't trust Monsanto ;D
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There's no need for our food to be messed with like this. None.
And yes, the refined sugar statements are accurate. Refined sugar is a drug.
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There's no need for our food to be messed with like this. None.
And yes, the refined sugar statements are accurate. Refined sugar is a drug.
I sense a new gimmick on the horizon...
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I sense a new gimmick on the horizon...
I don't know why you said that, but my statement is 100% correct. refined sugar is indeed a drug that is killing Americans the most. They're addicted, that's clear.
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I don't know why you said that, but my statement is 100% correct. refined sugar is indeed a drug that is killing Americans the most. They're addicted, that's clear.
I hear sugar disguises itself under the form of "grape drink" to secretly kill off black people. Do you know anything of this?
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You're "stupid" for believing there's no added benefit. The benefit is you're eating food that's not genetically modified. You should do some research.
you failed to actually address what those benefits are.
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you failed to actually address what those benefits are.
No I didn't. I said your eating food that's not genetically modified. That's the benefit.
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No I didn't. I said your eating food that's not genetically modified. That's the benefit.
??? so its better just because its not modified?
This is a topic I've researched and the only evidence out there is purely anecdotal and individual. To me the Organic movement is a very lucrative scam and the companies involved are making a killing so more power to them.
Just cutting out processed foods, junk food and excess sugar will keep you just as healthy and keep more money in your pocket.
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Many foods have been genetically modified. These are the original, unmodified versions of some foods:
(http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Bt-h98ECMAAd1JS.png)
Commercial bananas are natural hybrids. No GMO at all.
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Organic agriculture DOES use pesticides but those pesticides come from biological sources. Bacteria and fungi and their metabolites are used as biological control, plant oils, plant extracts, etc. Some regulations allow you to use synthetic copper and sulfur, but most people don't abuse those products cause too much Cu or S would be detrimental and will cause toxicity in the plant.
Overall, I'd say that SOME organic products are def healthier than the conventional ones.
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Organic agriculture DOES use pesticides but those pesticides come from biological sources. Bacteria and fungi and their metabolites are used as biological control, plant oils, plant extracts, etc. Some regulations allow you to use synthetic copper and sulfur, but most people don't abuse those products cause too much Cu or S would be detrimental and will cause toxicity in the plant.
Overall, I'd say that SOME organic products are def healthier than the conventional ones.
You apparently haven't read the first page of this thread. The USDA allows lots of crap to be used and still be labelled organic.
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There's no need for our food to be messed with like this. None.
And yes, the refined sugar statements are accurate. Refined sugar is a drug.
That's because "refined" sugar is white. Everyone knows the original sugar was BLACK.
FACT!
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You apparently haven't read the first page of this thread. The USDA allows lots of crap to be used and still be labelled organic.
I fail to see what's wrong with using the products in the list Rambone posted. I think you are assuming all those products touch your food. That's not the case.
In the other hand, I know that some farmers cheat when plagues/diseases get out of control. Still healthier than a conventional crop.
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Commercial bananas are natural hybrids. No GMO at all.
No, they are NOT natural hybrids. The banana was domesticated by humans by purposefully cross-breeding different species. So yes, they are genetically modified.
The vast majority of the cultivated bananas (Pollefeys et al., 2004) are derived from inter- and intraspecific crosses between two diploid (2n = 2x = 22) wild species, Musa acuminata and Musa balbisiana (Simmonds and Shepherd, 1955). In terms of the chromosome sets, these are designated as having the genome constitution AA (M. acuminata) or BB (M. balbisiana). These diploid Musa species have seeded fruit with little starch and only a small amount of fleshy pith, and are of no value as a crop.
http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/100/5/1073.full (http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/100/5/1073.full)
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No, they are NOT natural hybrids. The banana was domesticated by humans by purposefully cross-breeding different species. So yes, they are genetically modified.
http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/100/5/1073.full (http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/100/5/1073.full)
Well, you failed to read this part.
The cultivated hybrids and species are mostly triploid (2n = 3x = 33; a few are diploid or tetraploid), and most have been propagated from mutants found in the wild.
The first cultivated bananas were a natural hybrid. A cross between M. acuminata and M. balbisiana.
Some new varities have been developed after that. But still, all varities out there come from M. acuminata and M. balbisiana.
You seem to think that plant breeding is the same as genetic engineering. It's not.
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Well, you failed to read this part.
The first cultivated bananas were a natural hybrid. A cross between M. acuminata and M. balbisiana.
Some new varities have been developed after that. But still, all varities out there come from M. acuminata and M. balbisiana.
You seem to think that plant breeding is the same as genetic engineering. It's not.
You seem to think that plant breeding does not change genetics. It does.
The cultivated bananas and plantains differ from their wild relatives by being seedless and parthenocarpic – the fruit develops without seed development or pollination and fertilization. The genetic basis of the mutation (or mutations) in the A genome that gives rise to parthenocarpy has not been characterized, and no parthenocarpy has been identified in B genome diploids, although hybrids of A and B show the character. Most of the cultivars are wild collections made by farmers of spontaneously occurring mutants with parthenocarpic fruit production, which were brought into cultivation and then multiplied and distributed by vegetative propagation.
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Well, you failed to read this part.
You seem to think that plant breeding does not change genetics. It does.
That's pretty much what I said. As far as I know, every variety out there comes from those 2 species.
Of course plant breeding changes genetics, farmer have been doing this for centuries. The result is domesticated varieties with better yield, more nutritional value, tolerance to stress and diseases, etc. How is this a bad thing?
Again, genetic engineering is not the same as plant breeding.
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That's pretty much what I said. As far as I know, every variety out there comes from those 2 species.
Of course plant breeding changes genetics, farmer have been doing this for centuries. The result is domesticated varieties with better yield, more nutritional value, tolerance to stress and diseases, etc. How is this a bad thing?
Again, genetic engineering is not the same as plant breeding.
It is not the same, one is much much less efficient and much less controlled, achieving the same result in a less scientific and logical way. They get to the same place ultimately though, no difference except it scares people who do not understand science.
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(i) Calcium hypochlorite.
(ii) Chlorine dioxide.
(iii) Sodium hypochlorite
All very natural. Hahaha. Also:
Tetracycline
Streptomycin
Seriously? Very organic.
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I'm Roundup Ready, Mr DeMille.
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I'm Roundup Ready, Mr DeMille.
Being the age I am, I got this! Kinda like the "Flying Monkeys" statement in the first Avengers flick!
Well done, Sir Tape of Worm!
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What organization is responsible for policing these organic farms to make sure they dont just buy crates of produce at vons and repackage them for their clients at Ralph's ?
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Yes. Or delusional. What the usda allows to be advertised as "organic" is in contrast to what most people would define as organic.
6/7 years ago I dated a chick who bought everything labeled organic: chips, juices, frozen products, I seem to remember a box of organic Rice Krispy's...... Needless to say I searched what constitutes labeling a food item organic, and if I remember correctly among other weak statutes, it was a product where the land had been pesticide free for two planting seasons, and if I'm not mistaken agricultural soil is required to have a pesticide free crop every number of years anyhow (it's been awhile so my info may be a little shaky, but I'm sure if someone were to use Google they would easily correct me).
Anyhow I showed this to her and she told me that I could eat unhealthy if I wanted, she wasn't putting chemicals in her body. ::)
Same woman would only drink Evian bottled water, I once bought her a bottle of Aquafina and she went nuts. I told her it's all tap water, that she'd be fine and she went on a rant why Evian was superior and I wasn't going to change her......... good times.
You should have rubbed cow dung on your dick.
She would have blown you like a champ.
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You should have rubbed cow dung on your dick.
She would have blown you like a champ.
Was this question ever answered, which "champ" was doing the blowing down in Texas?
Also was the ice in the ice machine organic and ice?