Do you assume anyone who eats "organic" is stupid?

[Rambone]

Organic farming often does use pesticides.  There is a list of organically approved pesticides they can use.  Generally as long as they are not synthetic they can use them.  9 of these that I know of "organic pesticides" are listed as highly toxic.  

See my previous post. It lists synthetic chemicals that can be used in the U.S. on organic crops. I'm pretty sure the majority of the people who buy organic don't even realize it. Not only that, but the lack of regulation gives the grower tons of freedom to get away with a lot.

[Never1AShow]

Wiggs don't make me get my 1861 on your ass

Awesome year for organically grown front lawns! 

[liquid_c]

On a side note, I find the modern organic/anti GMO movement to be quite fascinating.  It brings the extremes from both the far, far right and far, far left together in an extreme mix of craziness.  You got the anti corporate/1%/anarchist from the far left, and the hard core anti Government, conspiracy theorist, chemtrail, agenda 21 NWO people from the far right also a part of it.  

[Dave D]

Plus, the USDA or EPA doing their once a year audits where they even tell you when they're coming, aren't going to catch growers breaking the rules. Organic farming is a big scam, and they're profiting from the general public thinking it's "healthier"

Thanks for the all the info.

I don't have a problem with organic farmers making extra money but it irritates me how many intelligent people I know who don't realize what passes as organic.  I think many have an assumption of what they think organic means but it isn't the working/practicing definition.

[Never1AShow]

At this point "organic" means about the same as "natty".  Everyone's definition is different to the point where it really has no meaning.

Big Ramy is natural?  Well, compared to Oscar Pistorius, yes.

[Rambone]

Thanks for the all the info.

I don't have a problem with organic farmers making extra money but it irritates me how many intelligent people I know who don't realize what passes as organic.  I think many have an assumption of what they think organic means but it isn't the working/practicing definition.

You're welcome. It's funny when I tell people what I do for work, and the first thing they ask is if we're organic haha

[Wiggs]

Some of you are morons.  There are a plethora of farmers markets and then there's U.S.D.A. Certified organic.  There are indeed, standards.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/noporganicstandards

[Never1AShow]

You're welcome. It's funny when I tell people what I do for work, and the first thing they ask is if we're organic haha

Yes, thanks for laying the smack down in this thread definitively and succinctly.

[Rambone]

Some of you are morons.  There are a plethora of farmers markets and then there's U.S.D.A. Certified organic.  There are indeed, standards.

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/noporganicstandards

Their standards also include the allowed use of certain synthetic pesticides. I hope this helps.

[Never1AShow]

On a side note, I find the modern organic/anti GMO movement to be quite fascinating.  It brings the extremes from both the far, far right and far, far left together in an extreme mix of craziness.  You got the anti corporate/1%/anarchist from the far left, and the hard core anti Government, conspiracy theorist, chemtrail, agenda 21 NWO people from the far right also a part of it.  

This is a very good and interesting point.  But there is no way you will convince me that both of those two groups don't do a ton of shit terrible for their bodies like when the hippie anarchists hit up Jack in the Box for Fourth meal.  Or the anti-vaxxers or chemtrail crowd guzzle down Arby's or Costco churros.

[Never1AShow]

Their standards include the allowed use of synthetic pesticides. I hope this helps.

And there is no policing mechanism anyway.  At best a small fine, if you get caught, which never happens.  Might as well eat Arby's or Taco Bell.  Might as well eat an effing hunk of plastic.

[Rambone]

And there is no policing mechanism anyway.  At best a small fine, if you get caught, which never happens.  Might as well eat Arby's or Taco Bell.  Might as well eat an effing hunk of plastic.

I'm sure there's random tissue samples done of the final product although it's probably a joke compared to the actual volume of the harvest. Something like a bell pepper which can take over 3 months to harvest depending on the weather could technically be sprayed with something not on the allowed pesticides list early on and wouldn't show up when it was tested for chemicals 2 or 3 months later. It's like passing the steroid test at the '90 Mr. Olympia!

[Never1AShow]

I actually respect the "organic" farmers who are faking it and ripping off the foolish.  Take their money, they are too stupid to hold on to it.

[Rambone]

I actually respect the "organic" farmers who are faking it and ripping off the foolish.  Take their money, they are too stupid to hold on to it.

I'm seeing a lot of organic stuff from Mexico in stores. Do you think their government officials are regulating them down there during the growing process? Hahaha

[Dave D]

I'm seeing a lot of organic stuff from Mexico in stores. Do you think their government officials are regulating them down there during the growing process? Hahaha

HAHAHAHA

[Mike]

Im so jaded now after watching all those netflix food documentaries: King Corn, Farmageddon , Food Inc, etc

Its hard to trust the USDA these days.

Food labeling in general is a fucking joke.  Theres more hype, spin, misinformation and advertising than the actual, true ingredients and their quantities

[Immortal_Technique]

Three times or more the price, no added benefit.

Reading this on an American board, I.e. The most obese, kidney/liver/pancreas/heart failing, pharmaceutical-dependent nation on earth is hilarious

[Immortal_Technique]

Thanks for the all the info.

I don't have a problem with organic farmers making extra money but it irritates me how many intelligent people I know who don't realize what passes as organic.  I think many have an assumption of what they think organic means but it isn't the working/practicing definition.

So organic sucks because it has as many shitty additives as normal processed food? - which by definition must also suck. Ergo the concept of true organic food is presumably a good one?

[Never1AShow]

So organic sucks because it has as many shitty additives as normal processed food? - which by definition must also suck. Ergo the concept of true organic food is presumably a good one?

Lurn to reed u better.  No better and three times the price.  It's all the same. Just cut out sugar and quit fiddle farting around.

[Mitch]

Geez, organic means grown with no pesticides, herbicides, or artificial fertilizers.  Do you believe Monsanto, DuPont, and Dow when they say the residue left on fruits and vegetables from their products is safe for human consumption?

x2. It"s not about whether or not an organism has been genetically modified (nobody cares and as stated above, most organisms already have been modified). But I don't want to eat any pesticide or fertilizer. So yes, I buy organic food. Call me stupid, homo, hippie, if you feel better. I will out-live you 

[ritch]

organic ground beef has me eating ground beef again as grocery store ground beef gave me the runs all the time. Bloated stomach as well. Organic ground beef when uncooked looks like a disgusting paste, lol.

The beef and eggs have made a difference and was encouraged to do this by people who have nothing to gain my saying that to me.

I'M also gonna ditch all microwave use at the end of this month.

[Rambone]

x2. It"s not about whether or not an organism has been genetically modified (nobody cares and as stated above, most organisms already have been modified). But I don't want to eat any pesticide or fertilizer. So yes, I buy organic food. Call me stupid, homo, hippie, if you feel better. I will out-live you  

God dammit, Mitch. I like you as a poster , but did you not read anything I wrote? Not sure how they do it in other countries, but in the U.S., organic includes the use of pesticides (including some synthetic ones). This is a great example of people not educating themselves and following the fearful crowd and supporting their own uninformed beliefs with zero logic.

[Mitch]

That's true, my answer was incomplete. I was talking about the chemical/artificial/industrial pesticides and herbicides. Most of them are carcinogenic. Google will help you to find serious studies (from gov and from "independent" NGO) on this subject 

Some organic pesticides/herbicides are carcinogenic too, I'm well aware of that.

It's also a question of personal taste: I buy organic meat because it tastes better, but I don't buy organic eggs because they taste like shit.

At the end of the day, it's all paradoxes, compromises, biased studies and tasty meat 

[BigCyp]

The real idiots, are the ones who are on 3 or more types of gear that has been mixed in a bathtub with non-traceable powders from China, alongside insulin and HGH injections, but only eat 'organic food' because they don't want all those 'chemicals' in their bodies hahahahaha

[bigkid]

Only way to eat organic is grow it in your backyard.  There's a saying in the farming industry, "organic 6 days a week"  These large commercial organic growers skirt the rules all the time.