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Title: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: bigmc on June 06, 2015, 02:48:49 AM
steven was an akido master

and movie star from the 80s

has anyone heard anything about him recently  ???
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: booty on June 06, 2015, 03:01:10 AM
The last movie I watched with him in it,  was terrible. He was supose to be a Russian mobster and couldn't pull it off.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Svengoolie on June 06, 2015, 03:02:54 AM
In the early 90s he wanted to be pretend he was Italian but now it's Russian.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Henda on June 06, 2015, 03:08:26 AM
Every segal film I've seen has been absolute shit, he ugly and can't understand him, id sooner spend 90 minutes reading through shizzos post history than watch one of segals films
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Post by: thegamechanger on June 06, 2015, 03:22:47 AM
from what i know he was a skinny guy and now he's a big guy so he has been able to put on a lot of mass (mostly muscle, a little fat which is unavoidable)
probably big on weight gainers.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: booty on June 06, 2015, 03:37:24 AM
In the early 90s he wanted to be pretend he was Italian but now it's Russian.
I think he's the type that would try to be Japanese in a movie.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: King Shizzo on June 06, 2015, 04:27:04 AM
Every segal film I've seen has been absolute shit, he ugly and can't understand him, id sooner spend 90 minutes reading through shizzos post history than watch one of segals films
It would be a great read for sure. Laced with literary gems throughout.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 09, 2015, 08:02:07 AM
Just heard he will be the bad guy in the new Expandables movie


WoooSSHHHHHHHHHH  TA NA KA
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Wiggs on July 09, 2015, 08:38:55 AM
Busy training champion MMA fighters
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Army of One on July 09, 2015, 08:39:55 AM
One of the most difficult "actors" to work with plus huge weight gain = straight to dvd
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 09, 2015, 08:44:07 AM
Not a morning passes that I don't ask myself "What's going on with Steven Seagal?"

Fortunately, I have Getbig, which gives me a daily status thread.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 09, 2015, 08:53:24 AM
Seagal, Lungren, and Van Damme make a ton of money doing "direct to DVD" movies, selling and viewing them in countries other than the United States to which they make a shitload of money because their movie that would be considered "shitty" in the United States would be considered a masterpiece in a country like India or Malaysia where the quality of the movies are much worse along with being treated like gods in that country allowing them to get away with all sorts of stuff making production less expensive than what's written on the books.

In addition, they have off-shore accounts to deposit their cash so they can avoid taxes and licensing fees.  They are worth a lot more than they appear.  Seagal is not as dumb as he looks.  
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: wikkedonez on July 09, 2015, 08:54:08 AM
Here I am!!!
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Post by: Yamcha on July 09, 2015, 08:55:09 AM
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Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 09, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
His Aikido is short and Hard Sabaki. Although traditionel AikiKai.. itīs not. I would go as far as to say he formed his own Way of Aikido. this was the Founders wishes.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on July 09, 2015, 08:57:27 AM
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Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 09, 2015, 08:58:00 AM
(http://greenlea.ru/Joke_Generator/Chart_of_emotions/i0552rp.jpg)
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 09, 2015, 09:06:53 AM
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Both Dan Grades are you ?
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Alucard on July 09, 2015, 09:10:59 AM
Seagal, Lungren, and Van Damme make a ton of money doing "direct to DVD" movies, selling and viewing them in countries other than the United States to which they make a shitload of money because their movie that would be considered "shitty" in the United States would be considered a masterpiece in a country like India or Malaysia where the quality of the movies are much worse along with being treated like gods in that country allowing them to get away with all sorts of stuff making production less expensive than what's written on the books.

In addition, they have off-shore accounts to deposit their cash so they can avoid taxes and licensing fees.  They are worth a lot more than they appear.  Seagal is not as dumb as he looks.  
This... Doing "direct-to-DVD" and usual stuff like visiting Putin... His firsts action/MA flicks were very good in my opinion, he wasn't as bad as people say, his acting was functional for his type of mysterious/badass character, and Seagal was exactly like that in real life too, lol...
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 09, 2015, 09:14:27 AM
(http://greenlea.ru/Joke_Generator/Chart_of_emotions/i0552rp.jpg)

Haha! The Zack Khan version of this is gold.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _bruce_ on July 09, 2015, 09:14:37 AM
This... Doing "direct-to-DVD" and usual stuff like visiting Putin... His firsts action/MA flicks were very good in my opinion, he wasn't as bad as people say, his acting was functional for his type of mysterious/badass character, and Seagal was exactly like that in real life too, lol...
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 09, 2015, 09:21:41 AM
who slagging him off has a Dan Grade in Aikido, even a 1st Dan ? Tell me about his Aikido which made him famous. Explain why his Aikido is bad. His Films, the first few were good and later i even have to admit not so. Was Arnold not the same ? They were Both top in their game before acting.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 09, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
Haha! The Zack Khan version of this is gold.

Here you go.

(http://i13.servimg.com/u/f13/13/93/71/22/zack11.jpg)
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 09, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Where my Aikido comes from... Saito Sensei(Reinhard Meyer Hannover RIP) and Shimizu Sensei.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 09, 2015, 09:53:13 AM
Jo... this i learned from a direct student of Saito Sensei, This is the Jo he learned from the Founder in Iwama.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Dr Dutch on July 09, 2015, 11:04:14 AM
Segal got so fat he cannot leave his house anymore. Maybe just grease him in with butter and throw a twinkie on his front porch, he made slide through...... :-X
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 09, 2015, 11:19:42 AM
Segal got so fat he cannot leave his house anymore. Maybe just grease him in with butter and throw a twinkie on his front porch, he made slide through...... :-X
Another no idea martial Arts expert ::)
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Hulk-smash! on July 09, 2015, 11:27:56 AM
Numerous threads about just how F'ed up Segull is.  Him & Piana should do a "high intensity" training video 2gether.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=481583.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=332665.0
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 09, 2015, 11:30:46 AM
Actually Frank Zane in my opinion was the closest to Zen.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: alpha infidel on July 10, 2015, 06:38:00 AM
Steven Segal has recently married Oprah winfrey, she's pregnant and they gonna call the baby Stealin Neegal jnr
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: pellius on July 10, 2015, 06:51:50 AM
steven was an akido master

and movie star from the 80s

has anyone heard anything about him recently  ???

He's in Russia dancing as other Aikido masters tumble around him.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: pellius on July 10, 2015, 07:07:21 AM
I think he's the type that would try to be Japanese in a movie.

He is fluent in Japanese.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 07:28:04 AM
He is fluent in Japanese.
Trained Japanese in his Dojo and was married to A Japanese woman. Most people do not know the early seagal History. Itīs clear Pellius does and is a Martial Artist. You come from Hawaii? I remember you wrote this i think. Small circle Jui Jitsu and Kempo Karate are from there i believe. Small circle was Wally Jay if i have the name correct?
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 07:33:54 AM
yes this is the Man .. i remember years ago a guy i met was really into his techniques. very effective. I also like Ed Parker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Jay
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Hulk-smash! on July 10, 2015, 09:48:57 AM
yes this is the Man .. i remember years ago a guy i met was really into his techniques. very effective. I also like Ed Parker.

Ed Parker was one badass MF'er.  Love to see him school Segull.

Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 10:01:28 AM
Ed Parker was one badass MF'er.  Love to see him school Segull.


Ed Parker Kempo is a great way but donīt forget my Friend the Inner systems are integrated to a degree in hard systems too. Gogju Ryu is a great example or Wado Ryu. Ed Parker also used Chinese Internal thinking and techniques.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Hulk-smash! on July 10, 2015, 10:03:28 AM
I believe I read somewhere he was half Chinese raised in china?  Not sure though.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
I believe I read somewhere he was half Chinese raised in china?  Not sure though.
I think pellius knows as he comes from that area and Jui Jitsu(Hawaii). I read he grew up in Hawaii and learned from William Chow and developed his Kempo. Elvis was a Dan Grade from him.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 10:20:20 AM
 :)
http://www.portlaoisekenpo.com/ed-parker/
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: The Scott on July 10, 2015, 10:25:19 AM
I think Johnny Bravo's hero, Squint Ringo was based upon the badass known as Segal.
(http://sp5.fotolog.com/photo/5/63/15/el_masistone/1157157071_f.jpg)
Title: Thats Governor Segal to you punk!
Post by: Hulk-smash! on July 10, 2015, 03:27:46 PM
GetBig's laugh of the day >

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/steven-segal-run-arizona-governor-article-1.1566546
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: K A N N I B A L on July 10, 2015, 05:00:01 PM
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1566545.1388882868!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/russia-congress.jpg)

One watch on each arm?
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Hulk-smash! on July 10, 2015, 06:17:48 PM
No, no, no.  He's wearing the extra watch because its set in Louisiana time where he keeps (2) russian chicks chained to the floor.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/blogs/steven-seagal-resigned-rather-than-face-ia-investigation-according-to-sheriff-newell-normand-6499604
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Post by: Army of One on July 10, 2015, 06:22:41 PM
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1566545.1388882868!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/russia-congress.jpg)

One watch on each arm?

Nice wig
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Marty Champions on July 10, 2015, 06:48:16 PM
Pretty much every script for every film he's in, seems like it's been written by a ten year old version of him that's just woke up from an awesome dream.

"and then i'm in a coma...but i wake up and fuck the nurse, then some bad guys come, but i kick the shit out of them, and one runs at me, then i grab him like this, then i do this, and he dies...and then i save this girl that they're all after, and then i fuck her too..."

 Fat, narcissistic twat. I hope he never makes another film.

;D
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Hulk-smash! on July 10, 2015, 07:29:34 PM
Nice wig

I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 10, 2015, 07:30:55 PM
Pretty much every script for every film he's in, seems like it's been written by a ten year old version of him that's just woke up from an awesome dream.

"and then i'm in a coma...but i wake up and fuck the nurse, then some bad guys come, but i kick the shit out of them, and one runs at me, then i grab him like this, then i do this, and he dies...and then i save this girl that they're all after, and then i fuck her too..."

 Fat, narcissistic twat. I hope he never makes another film.


Haha!
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: pellius on July 10, 2015, 08:21:28 PM
Trained Japanese in his Dojo and was married to A Japanese woman. Most people do not know the early seagal History. Itīs clear Pellius does and is a Martial Artist. You come from Hawaii? I remember you wrote this i think. Small circle Jui Jitsu and Kempo Karate are from there i believe. Small circle was Wally Jay if i have the name correct?

Because of the huge Japanese population, Japanese Martial Arts, and Martial Arts in general, has always been huge in Hawaii. Right now there are more MMA schools/training facilities per mile than in any other State in the union. Seems like everybody trains on some level.

I first started formal training when I was 8 years old at Aikido of Honolulu (The Waialea Dojo) that was just about a mile away from where I lived. My parents sent me there not because they had any idea of the historic significance of the Dojo by rather a way to channel my aggression. They were horrified when they found a training book I bought for $5 through the mail by Count Dante claiming to teach you the secrets of "Dim Mak". "KILL A MAN WITH ONE STRIKE!" was the headline. Why a boy of 8 would want to learn how to kill another man with one strike was a cause of great concern to them.

The Aikido of Honolulu was the first Dojo dedicated solely to Aikido training outside of the United States. Morihei Ueshiba presided over the grand opening in 1961 and it was his first and only trip outside of the Japan for the purpose of Aikido.

When you walked in it was a beautiful and pristine. Japanese always have a way of turning anything into a work of art. You don't realize how big the facility was from the front because in the back they had a court yard and facilities where the instructor's lived. They were old vets all from Japan and from the WW2 era  and came to Hawaii specifically to teach at that Dojo. And they did not mess around. A lot of smacks on the back of the legs with a bamboo stick when one strayed from the path of virtue. A lot of the training drills were torture like hanging from a wooden beam that was also used for pullups and standing in a horse stance for what seemed like forever. To this day I just despise any type of isometric type training. I never developed that trait to "leave my body and become one with... or master the concept of "Ki' which was always the over riding theme. I would just always feel pain and wishing it would end.

Of course I didn't care about any of that stuff at eight. All that mattered to me and kept my enthusiasm was that my older brother told me Aikido was bad ass and it was taught no where else in the U.S. and when you became a master you could whip eight guys at once. Three in the front, one on each side, and three in the back.

That's all I needed to know and gave me hope and encouraged me when I would walk to the Dojo wearing my gi in the hot sun and people teasing and making fun of me. "Here comes Mr. Karate Boy", "Don't hurt me Karate Boy", "Where's your Black Belt, Karate Boy".

I just sucked it  up and thought of the day when I would grow up and be big enough and skilled enough to whipped their asses.

Aikido of Honolulu

(http://www.aikidoofhonolulu.org/Images/waialaedojo.jpg)

Morihei Ueshiba at the Waialae Dojo, 1961

(http://aikidoofhonolulu.org/Old/O-Sensei.jpg)
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: pellius on July 10, 2015, 08:34:46 PM
I think pellius knows as he comes from that area and Jui Jitsu(Hawaii). I read he grew up in Hawaii and learned from William Chow and developed his Kempo. Elvis was a Dan Grade from him.

I remember both Wally Jay and Ed Parker as they were big, big names when I was a kid. Wally Jay was part of the original Bruce Lee crew along with my "Wing Chun Do" instructor James Demile. I started training with Demile when I was 16 and found exactly what I was looking for -- a Dojo where they did full no holds bar sparring where you could actually hit each other. It sounds off today but in those days find a Martials Arts schools that actually allowed you to beat the crap out of each other was quite rare. Also, Demile modified a lot of the tradional Wing Chun equipment like that ridiculous Wing Chun Dummy. Demile put pads around it so you could hit full force without breaking your hands and designed the arms positioned like real arms and were spring loaded so you could practice trapping and the like.

But in there's nothing better in training for fighting than actual fighting. 

James Demile is in the front row first one on the left.

(http://www.skipsbeachresort.com/new_page_TWO2_files/image001.jpg)

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/e19e963ee4c885574bc1d0f9d2c00d7e41b1ef52/c=122-0-518-298&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2015/06/22/NWGroup/KING/635705649703381252-0622-JAMES-DEMILE-BRUCE-LEE-DEMO.jpg)
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: pellius on July 10, 2015, 08:42:17 PM
That's a built in mag-light type torch on the watch...presumably so that he can still operate his pistol in low light conditions, on a hijacked ship... or illuminate the poster of himself above his bed, when he wants a midnight wank.

Say what you want about Seagal as a Martial Artist but no one in the movies knows how to handle a gun better than he does. Chuck Norris is the only other one that seems to be very familiar with guns and knows how to properly hold, fire and maneuver with it. Chances are that if someone's carry gun is a 1911 then he's a serious gun guy. Seagal always uses a 1911 in his movies. And since movie producers don't know shit about guns it's highly likely that Seagal request and insists on a 1911.

Although you will see him occasionally shooting one handed in his movies for drama's sake most of the time he will adopt the classic Weaver Stance.

(http://www.wudang.cis.com.pl/obrazy/30/kino/seagal_4.jpg)
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: chaos on July 10, 2015, 08:42:23 PM
Lol @ memorizing choreographed moves and calling yourself a fighter. ;D
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Teutonic Knight on July 10, 2015, 09:15:25 PM
Putin was overfeeding him ....................
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: pellius on July 10, 2015, 09:30:38 PM
Putin was overfeeding him ....................

He was a fatso way, way, way before his Russian excursions.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 01:27:55 AM
I remember both Wally Jay and Ed Parker as they were big, big names when I was a kid. Wally Jay was part of the original Bruce Lee crew along with my "Wing Chun Do" instructor James Demile. I started training with Demile when I was 16 and found exactly what I was looking for -- a Dojo where they did full no holds bar sparring where you could actually hit each other. It sounds off today but in those days find a Martials Arts schools that actually allowed you to beat the crap out of each other was quite rare. Also, Demile modified a lot of the tradional Wing Chun equipment like that ridiculous Wing Chun Dummy. Demile put pads around it so you could hit full force without breaking your hands and designed the arms positioned like real arms and were spring loaded so you could practice trapping and the like.

But in there's nothing better in training for fighting than actual fighting. 

James Demile is in the front row first one on the left.

(http://www.skipsbeachresort.com/new_page_TWO2_files/image001.jpg)

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/e19e963ee4c885574bc1d0f9d2c00d7e41b1ef52/c=122-0-518-298&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2015/06/22/NWGroup/KING/635705649703381252-0622-JAMES-DEMILE-BRUCE-LEE-DEMO.jpg)
There are only a few people in Germany who practise Ed Parkerīs Kempo. I think i will look into it. 
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 01:30:41 AM
 :)
http://www.akka.de/
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Ropo on July 11, 2015, 01:46:21 AM
Lol @ memorizing choreographed moves and calling yourself a fighter. ;D

Name 1 fighting method, which does not include training of the moves?
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 03:04:57 AM
 small Circle Jui Jitsu.  ;D
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Waller on July 11, 2015, 03:54:21 AM
Say what you want about Seagal as a Martial Artist but no one in the movies knows how to handle a gun better than he does. Chuck Norris is the only other one that seems to be very familiar with guns and knows how to properly hold, fire and maneuver with it. Chances are that if someone's carry gun is a 1911 then he's a serious gun guy. Seagal always uses a 1911 in his movies. And since movie producers don't know shit about guns it's highly likely that Seagal request and insists on a 1911.

Although you will see him occasionally shooting one handed in his movies for drama's sake most of the time he will adopt the classic Weaver Stance.

(http://www.wudang.cis.com.pl/obrazy/30/kino/seagal_4.jpg)

Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 03:58:54 AM
If i lived in the US i would definitely go shooting on a range. get a nice 9 mm.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 05:09:35 AM
Say what you want about Seagal as a Martial Artist but no one in the movies knows how to handle a gun better than he does. Chuck Norris is the only other one that seems to be very familiar with guns and knows how to properly hold, fire and maneuver with it. Chances are that if someone's carry gun is a 1911 then he's a serious gun guy. Seagal always uses a 1911 in his movies. And since movie producers don't know shit about guns it's highly likely that Seagal request and insists on a 1911.

Although you will see him occasionally shooting one handed in his movies for drama's sake most of the time he will adopt the classic Weaver Stance.

(http://www.wudang.cis.com.pl/obrazy/30/kino/seagal_4.jpg)

Agreed. In one movie, Seagal is using a Colt 1911, which is not a "beginners gun" and he performed a picture perfect press-check to see that a round was in the chamber. It was noted.

His runs oddly in Above the Law.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 05:13:18 AM
If i lived in the US i would definitely go shooting on a range. get a nice 9 mm.

Depending on where you live, a range is optional. I just shoot in my backyard. Sometimes suppressed, sometimes not. The guy over the next hill is a full-auto AK enthusiast and I can hear him burning 30 round mags into his berm.

Little known fact that the state has preemption on local noise ordinances in the case of gunfire. What that means is that if you are making a bunch of racket with a party, the cops can come tell you to shut up. But, if you are making a bunch of racket with guns, the cops can't tell you to do anything.

There's a reason that the state's motto is "Live Free or Die"
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 05:22:21 AM
Depending on where you live, a range is optional. I just shoot in my backyard. Sometimes suppressed, sometimes not. The guy over the next hill is a full-auto AK enthusiast and I can hear him burning 30 round mags into his berm.

Little known fact that the state has preemption on local noise ordinances in the case of gunfire. What that means is that if you are making a bunch of racket with a party, the cops can come tell you to shut up. But, if you are making a bunch of racket with guns, the cops can't tell you to do anything.

There's a reason that the state's motto is "Live Free or Die"
I always liked shooting a 9mm. would like it where you live. Hell...get myself a Sherman ;D
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 05:28:52 AM
I always liked shooting a 9mm. would like it where you live. Hell...get myself a Sherman ;D

I used to not like the 9, but modern ammo has made it almost as effective as a .45 ACP and not discernible from the .40. I have a Glock in all the sizes, but honest the Glock 19 is probably the perfect handgun. Small, light, 15 rounds in a standard mag, controllable, concealable. I have 3 of them scattered about.

LEOs in the U.S. are starting to go back to the 9 because it's easier for their officers that don't train regularly.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 05:32:57 AM
I used to not like the 9, but modern ammo has made it almost as effective as a .45 ACP and not discernible from the .40. I have a Glock in all the sizes, but honest the Glock 19 is probably the perfect handgun. Small, light, 15 rounds in a standard mag, controllable, concealable. I have 3 of them scattered about.

LEOs in the U.S. are starting to go back to the 9 because it's easier for their officers that don't train regularly.
sounds like you know your Guns -aj- only 9mm i fired was the 9mm sterling and browning High power 9mm pistol. Standard British Army issue at my time.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 05:38:41 AM
sounds like you know your Guns -aj- only 9mm i fired was the 9mm sterling and browning High power 9mm pistol. Standard British Army issue at my time.

My mom taught me to shoot when I was 6 and it's been a life-long love. I've taught civilians, LEO and military how to use pistol, rifle, shotgun and SMG.

The first gun I ever bought was a BHP and it was the only gun I've ever sold (I still know the guy who has it so I could get it back). Loved the ergonomics of the BHP, but it had a bad deign flaw in that the feed ramp could only reliably feed ball ammo. Any modern hollow point would get jammed.

Had some fun riding a friend's Sterling here. Very nice and controllable. Always preferred the MP5 for a 9mm SMG, though.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 05:44:55 AM
The first gun I ever bought was a BHP and it was the only gun I've ever sold (I still know the guy who has it so I could get it back). Loved the ergonomics of the BHP, but it had a bad deign flaw in that the feed ramp could only reliably feed ball ammo. Any modern hollow point would get jammed.

Had some fun riding a friend's Sterling here. Very nice and controllable. Always preferred the MP5 for a 9mm SMG, though.
9mm smg was my personal weapon in the artillery. I canīt tell you how often it swung round when bringing the Gun into action and smacked my face. it was a very Basic weapon and not that accurate. the SLR was another Beast though. 7.62 mm of high power.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: geeizback on July 11, 2015, 05:50:22 AM
SLR was a hell of a weapon- when the SA80 came in it baffled me. SUSAT sights etc etc but just seemed a weird weapon.

I did some range shooting at a Canadian army base in Lahr Germany. Fantastic fun
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 05:52:52 AM
9mm smg was my personal weapon in the artillery. I canīt tell you how often it swung round when bringing the Gun into action and smacked my face. it was a very Basic weapon and not that accurate. the SLR was another Beast though. 7.62 mm of high power.

Ahh the SLR. We typically call it the FAL here in the states and it's probably my favorite 7.62x51 battle rifle. I have a friend that's selling his para version and I've been trying to talk him down on price.

The big debate among battle rifle folks is the M-14 versus the FAL. I have a tricked out scoped SR-25 and it's my favorite longer range weapon (out to about 600m). Thinking about a nice .338 Lapua for those occasional 1000m head shots.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 06:01:36 AM
SLR was a hell of a weapon- when the SA80 came in it baffled me. SUSAT sights etc etc but just seemed a weird weapon.

I did some range shooting at a Canadian army base in Lahr Germany. Fantastic fun
we had this for the SLR too. Also night vision but it was very big and unbalanced the weapon. Notice the Guy in the Film does not understand the Weapon..he needs to adjust the Gas Regulator at the front.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 06:07:23 AM
Ahh the SLR. We typically call it the FAL here in the states and it's probably my favorite 7.62x51 battle rifle. I have a friend that's selling his para version and I've been trying to talk him down on price.

The big debate among battle rifle folks is the M-14 versus the FAL. I have a tricked out scoped SR-25 and it's my favorite longer range weapon (out to about 600m). Thinking about a nice .338 Lapua for those occasional 1000m head shots.
SLR shooting with iron sights was a Mans Rifle. You were a Marksman on this, you were good. the Sa80 which i fired later (1st version) was very accurate but a bag of Bollocks. give me an SLR anyday. Lovely Rifle.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 06:17:51 AM
SLR shooting with iron sights was a Mans Rifle. You were a Marksman on this, you were good. the Sa80 which i fired later (1st version) was very accurate but a bag of Bollocks. give me an SLR anyday. Lovely Rifle.

Haha! I remember emptying a 20 round mag offhand in one trigger pull on auto. It was like getting hit with a jackhammer.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 06:27:26 AM
Haha! I remember emptying a 20 round mag offhand in one trigger pull on auto. It was like getting hit with a jackhammer.
to make it fire like that there was a trick with a match head.. ;)
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Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 06:30:42 AM
to make it fire like that there was a trick with a match head.. ;)

The FAL had a happy-switch.
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Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 06:36:32 AM
The FAL had a happy-switch.
On the ranges they showed us a trick with a match head to make the SLR automatic. This was not standard practise but one of the Instructors showed us this. Was a long time ago. itīs like shooting the 9mm Browning, on operations like N Ireland the Instructors showed you the Double Tap. this was to kill not wound.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 06:39:54 AM
On the ranges they showed us a trick with a match head to make the SLR automatic. This was not standard practise but one of the Instructors showed us this. Was a long time ago. itīs like shooting the 9mm Browning, on operations like N Ireland the Instructors showed you the Double Tap. this was to kill not wound.

You're gonna bring in the nationalists to this thread soon. Then it'll be ruined.

I liked to drill Mozambique. It takes a while to get the cadence right.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: chaos on July 11, 2015, 06:49:37 AM
All this gun talk + morning wood = bathroom break. ..... :-[
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 07:06:39 AM
All this gun talk + morning wood = bathroom break. ..... :-[
Sorry man but if i was over there me and -aj- would just go hunting and shooting all Day..Cook the meat,drink Beer...  maybe i would make a good Red Neck  :D
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Post by: Alucard on July 11, 2015, 07:13:23 AM
Ahh the SLR. We typically call it the FAL here in the states and it's probably my favorite 7.62x51 battle rifle. I have a friend that's selling his para version and I've been trying to talk him down on price.

The big debate among battle rifle folks is the M-14 versus the FAL. I have a tricked out scoped SR-25 and it's my favorite longer range weapon (out to about 600m). Thinking about a nice .338 Lapua for those occasional 1000m head shots.
Here an interesting sought-after piece is the australian version of the FAL, the one with wooden grip and stuff... Regarding long range, right now i heard a lot of good things for Desert Tactical, not a fan of bullpup firearms but still, otherwise in .338LM the Sako TRG is still a great piece, not overpriced, reliable, accurate and very easy to customize... Steyr SSG-08 is another great rifle i was looking into... Right now i have in order a custom rifle in .375 Chey-Tac for long range stuff...
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 07:15:15 AM
A1 version of the SA80 really was shit. magazine housing was fucked, cheaply made and prone to stopping. A2 was lot better.

With the SLR, i believe it was the argies that had the fully auto version right? that's why they couldn't hit fuck all, as their bursts went over our guys heads.
SLR was a killing machine. That round hit you..you at least lost a limb. The Difference in Range is also a consideration which the British Infantry soon found out on operations. The Sa80 first version was terrible for stoppages. the SLR you could throw around, use in cold and warm conditions.. field strip and clean the working parts and gas plug with dirt or sand..no joke. I remember digging the rod into dirt and cleaning the cordite off it and wiping it with my combat jacket.. oiled it up and it fired no problem. The trick with the SLR is the Gas Plug. You gotta know what you are doing. Most stoppages were due to a fine adjustment of the Gas regulator.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 07:24:35 AM
Here an interesting sought-after piece is the australian version of the FAL, the one with wooden grip and stuff... Regarding long range, right now i heard a lot of good things for Desert Tactical, not a fan of bullpup firearms but still, otherwise in .338LM the Sako TRG is still a great piece, not overpriced, reliable, accurate and very easy to customize... Steyr SSG-08 is another great rifle i was looking into... Right now i have in order a custom rifle in .375 Chey-Tac for long range stuff...

The Chey-Tac seems a little too wildcat for me. That said, I already have the .338 LM dies, bullets, cases and primers, so I am gonna make my own ammo anyway  :-\

The .408 Chey-Tac was a beast. Similar terminal ballistics as the .50 with a longer/flatter trajectory.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 07:26:18 AM
Sorry man but if i was over there me and -aj- would just go hunting and shooting all Day..Cook the meat,drink Beer...  maybe i would make a good Red Neck  :D

The law in NH is that you can shoot anything on your property without a license. I have a ton of land and literally herds of deer wandering through daily. The dogs go absolutely bonkers. We could sit in the family room playing XBox and take shots out the window.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 07:33:10 AM
Yeah the thinking behind the sa80 was that it would require more men to deal with someone wounded, plus you can carry more ammo. They made that piece of shit LSW for longer ranges, but still have decent 7.62 with the GPMG, G3 and the sharpshooter.

Same stupid logic that gave us the M-16 over the M-14. Now in AFGH, we are trying all kinds of new bullet tricks to get back to 1/2 the terminal ballistics of the ball 7.62x51 ammo. Admittedly the Mk262 mod1 is a fine cartridge (77gr), but it's no comparison to 168 grains of diplomacy.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 07:39:38 AM
Yeah the thinking behind the sa80 was that it would require more men to deal with someone wounded, plus you can carry more ammo. They made that piece of shit LSW for longer ranges, but still have decent 7.62 with the GPMG, G3 and the sharpshooter.
ah yes...the Jimpy.. i heard they tried to do away with it but soon learned different. important Infantry weapon. I also remember the LMG and it was not a bad bit of kit..
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 07:45:47 AM
The LMG
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Alucard on July 11, 2015, 07:47:01 AM
The Chey-Tac seems a little too wildcat for me. That said, I already have the .338 LM dies, bullets, cases and primers, so I am gonna make my own ammo anyway  :-\

The .408 Chey-Tac was a beast. Similar terminal ballistics as the .50 with a longer/flatter trajectory.
If you have all the reloading tools go for it, reloading is a must with these LR cartridges, both for price and performance purpose... Yeah, Cheytac cartridges are more unique pricey stuff for ELR only mostly... Regarding the .408 Cheytac, i see absolutely no reason to own one when you can have the .375 who is far superior on anything... But yes, both far superior to the .50 BMG, not a fan of it honestly, big boomer with heavy bullets, but after around 1000m it isn't spectacular like others...
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 07:48:29 AM
If you have all the reloading tools go for it, reloading is a must with these LR cartridges, both for price and performance purpose... Yeah, Cheytac cartridges are more unique pricey stuff for ELR only mostly... Regarding the .408 Cheytac, i see absolutely no reason to own one when you can have the .375 who is far superior on anything... But yes, both far superior to the .50 BMG, not a fan of it honestly, big boomer with heavy bullets, but after around 1000m it isn't spectacular like others...

I like the .50 because it gives politicians angina to know that they are out there.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Alucard on July 11, 2015, 07:56:26 AM
I like the .50 because it gives politicians angina to know that they are out there.
Lol... ;D
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 07:57:49 AM
Yeah GPMG won't go anywhere, it's worth it's weight in gold. LMG is great too, like a smaller, lighter version that's great for putting down a quick, massive rate of fire.

There's a definite trade off, although i can see the logic of it for use in the sort of recent conflicts that soldiers have been fighting in... hot climates, without Falklands type weather, plus the long distances carrying it and all the ammo too. Makes sense to have a personal weapon with less recoil and more rounds, providing there is still 7.62 being carried by a few of them.

Much like our Canadian friends, we've finally stopped using the 7.62x51 for elite snipers (Army and Marine snipers still use the Remington 700 in 7.62x51). The SEALs and SF have moved up to the .300 WinMag and the .338 LM.

The .308 is fine out to about 800m, but the bullet trajectory goes to hell when it makes the trans-sonic shift down. In deserts, it's routine to be looking at 1000m shots.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: Donny on July 11, 2015, 08:02:01 AM
Yeah GPMG won't go anywhere, it's worth it's weight in gold. LMG is great too, like a smaller, lighter version that's great for putting down a quick, massive rate of fire.

There's a definite trade off, although i can see the logic of it for use in the sort of recent conflicts that soldiers have been fighting in... hot climates, without Falklands type weather, plus the long distances carrying it and all the ammo too. Makes sense to have a personal weapon with less recoil and more rounds, providing there is still 7.62 being carried by a few of them.
The Jimpy will stay because it is the best of the best. LMG i learned in 85 and we used it with the Jimpy well into the 80s. The LMG was accurate. A very underrated weapon but really used effectively in the Second World war(earlier version). Each Gun had a Jimpy mounted and our command post used the LMG. Fucking red arses, with the charlie G.
Title: Re: what ever happened to steven segal
Post by: _aj_ on July 11, 2015, 08:02:26 AM
The big LOL for me is that I've killed put near everything that can walk or crawl with my 12 ga pump gun and buckshot.

And if I have to go to a rifle, I usually pull out my lever-action short barrel guide gun in .45/70 which has a trajectory more similar to an artillery round than a rifle bullet.