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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: skalpa on June 21, 2015, 03:52:54 PM
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hey gents, new to the thunderdome here but been lurkin for a while. got tired of all the bullshit on other boards, this board is no bullshit, straight to the truth, true thrunderdome of bodybuilding so...
i want to hear the real lowdown of blast/cruise vs pct. because no matter how much i eat post cycle i can not retain what i gain while on. personally, all these self proclaimed steroid gurus on other boards telling ppl they can keep gains ect i think is bullshit. the only reason you can keep gains is because you had no business doing gear in the first place and were no where near your natural potential therefore the weight stuck. but being 5'6" small jointed and small boned, my body does not want to be heavier than 180lbs when i come off. even if i am up past 200lbs while on i will eventually revert back to ~180.
besides that fact that im a homebrewer and i can make my own trt for less than $25/year and pct items are expensive (~$150 per pct), it is also financially smart to trt rather than come off entirely.. ive also heard some anecdotal reports of endos commenting on how blast cruise is actually less stressful on your body since you arent forcing it to start stop itself all the time. thoughts? ..i was thinking of just blasting and then cruising on a low dose of test (200mg/week) and maybe some masteron (150mg/week) for 8-12 weeks until i blast up on the anabolics again. i am a bodybuilder, an amateur one but im looking to take it to the next level where i can compete at a national level rather than just local shows and right now cycle/pct has me stuck. im not old enough or advanced enough to mess with slin yet. and at my age GH isnt really needed quite yet. so whats your guys take on blast/cruise vs pct. do you guys ever come off?
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got a poster here who has similar structure to you is natty and weighs close to 200lbs. Easy to say, but just gotta eat more and yes it sucks and is why I will never surpass a certain weight.
Blast and cruise VS PCT. Easiest question of all... The first choice.
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got a poster here who has similar structure to you is natty and weighs close to 200lbs. Easy to say, but just gotta eat more and yes it sucks and is why I will never surpass a certain weight.
Blast and cruise VS PCT. Easiest question of all... The first choice.
how often can/should you blast, and how long should/can the blast last?
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how often can/should you blast, and how long should/can the blast last?
ideally, blood work will tell you that.
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got a poster here who has similar structure to you is natty and weighs close to 200lbs. Easy to say, but just gotta eat more and yes it sucks and is why I will never surpass a certain weight.
Blast and cruise VS PCT. Easiest question of all... The first choice.
a small boned, 5'6" cannot weigh 200lbs+ at a bodyfat level that is acceptable by bodybuilding standards being all natural. sorry but im calling bullshit. a stockier guy sure, but then he wouldnt have the bone structure to ever be a bodybuilder in the first place.
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hey gents, new to the thunderdome here but been lurkin for a while. got tired of all the bullshit on other boards, this board is no bullshit, straight to the truth, true thrunderdome of bodybuilding so...
i want to hear the real lowdown of blast/cruise vs pct. because no matter how much i eat post cycle i can not retain what i gain while on. personally, all these self proclaimed steroid gurus on other boards telling ppl they can keep gains ect i think is bullshit. the only reason you can keep gains is because you had no business doing gear in the first place and were no where near your natural potential therefore the weight stuck. but being 5'6" small jointed and small boned, my body does not want to be heavier than 180lbs when i come off. even if i am up past 200lbs while on i will eventually revert back to ~180.
besides that fact that im a homebrewer and i can make my own trt for less than $25/year and pct items are expensive (~$150 per pct), it is also financially smart to trt rather than come off entirely.. ive also heard some anecdotal reports of endos commenting on how blast cruise is actually less stressful on your body since you arent forcing it to start stop itself all the time. thoughts? ..i was thinking of just blasting and then cruising on a low dose of test (200mg/week) and maybe some masteron (150mg/week) for 8-12 weeks until i blast up on the anabolics again. i am a bodybuilder, an amateur one but im looking to take it to the next level where i can compete at a national level rather than just local shows and right now cycle/pct has me stuck. im not old enough or advanced enough to mess with slin yet. and at my age GH isnt really needed quite yet. so whats your guys take on blast/cruise vs pct. do you guys ever come off?
Besides all else you mentioned, $150 is a hell of a lot to PCT.
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I know it might not be very popular but for athletic purposes you pretty much need to come off once in a while. There is no way your connective tissue will be able to endure the kind of stress provided by the added strength plus you need to convert the absolute strength to power, agility, speed with drills, plyos and what not.
I only use heavier dosage in the offseason (may to july) and re-start at very conservative dose at the mid-season point (december) to postpone overtraining.
Personally, I feel much better when I'm a bit lighter just before the season begins and I'm off everything, eating cleanly and training twice a day...
I don't use much for PCT, a couple of weeks on clomid at 25 mg a day and I'm good to go, my bloods are better etc.
I don't gain much weight when I'm on, maybe 10 pounds and yes, I do lose it all but the strength remains.... Power to weight ratio is crucial in most sports.
I do use HGH year round tho. That makes a hell of a difference to avoid injuries...
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do you get suppressed testosterone levels after you come off and does that effect your performance? Does your motivation not go in the gutter after coming off?
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do you get suppressed testosterone levels after you come off and does that effect your performance? Does your motivation not go in the gutter after coming off?
I'm probably suppressed for a while (my doc barely gives me the numbers anymore) but I can't really tell because we switch from pure strength training to speed and power training and I think it depletes testosterone less somehow. We don't lift heavy during that period because we start working anaerobically We resume "maintenance" strength training but with very low volume (once or twice a week, 5x5 on compound) once the season starts... That depletes testosterone more and when we go below a certain testosterone level, my doctor puts me back on TRT level, to get me back to 900+ the remaining of the season. Depending on how well we do in the playoff (we won the Vertdure cup this year, not much to brag about but it sure was one hell of a party), I might do pct again while I rest for 3-4 weeks before coming on again in the off-season... Basically, I only use when the training mesocycle demands it...
I also start clomid therapy early and we use "baby" dosages (300 mg a week max, 150 test 150 equipoise). More than that and I get crippling shin splints :-( I don't know if using less makes PCT less difficult....
Motivation is not really a factor mainly because I focus on other aspect of training in that period: high intensity intervals, plyos, oly lifting, sled pushing, agility drills etc. I actually like it quite a lot and since I'm shorter than most hockey player (5 foot eight) I have to be in top shape when the training camp starts otherwise I won't make the team.
I totally understand why a bodybuilder would choose never to stop. I couldn't possibly do it myself. Hell, I'm shitting my pants thinking about what will my post "hockey career" will be. I'm just so used to live that kind of life that I probably won't have the motivation to train at all. I'll probably get fat too lol
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Besides all else you mentioned, $150 is a hell of a lot to PCT.
pharma grade ancilleries dont cost the same as ugl crap mate lol fareston, aromasin, clomiphene, hcg, and 100mcg of triptorelin is my standard pct. getting all pharma grade stuff minus the triptorelin (from peptide companies) can easily run $150... unless there is a sweet sponsor on this board i havent looked into yet
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I cruise on 500-600 mg of test/week and 50 mg proviron/day. Hope this helps.
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pharma grade ancilleries dont cost the same as ugl crap mate lol fareston, aromasin, clomiphene, hcg, and 100mcg of triptorelin is my standard pct. getting all pharma grade stuff minus the triptorelin (from peptide companies) can easily run $150... unless there is a sweet sponsor on this board i havent looked into yet
oh there is but you may gag when you see the prices, lol...
I take it you live in England or something. Nothing but good news from UG products here. Aromasin is not even illegal in Canada, go figure...
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PCT is useless unless you plan to get off permanently. If you plan to get back on i dont see the point really. Did PCT once, really makes you feel like shit.
Im cruising on 250mg of test a week and 30mg of MK 677 ED after a 600mg test/600mg EQ and tbol blast.
My strengh is pretty much the same, pumps are great, I look as thick if not thicker.
If you want to make constant progress you need to be on drugs YEAR ROUND. Coming off is coming backward.
Unless you want to come off for good or pass a drug test stay on, just rotate your drugs smartly.
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PCT is useless unless you plan to get off permanently. If you plan to get back on i dont see the point really. Did PCT once, really makes you feel like shit.
Im cruising on 250mg of test a week and 30mg of MK 677 ED after a 600mg test/600mg EQ and tbol blast.
My strengh is pretty much the same, pumps are great, I look as thick if not thicker.
If you want to make constant progress you need to be on drugs YEAR ROUND. Coming off is coming backward.
Unless you want to come off for good or pass a drug test stay on, just rotate your drugs smartly.
I think pct is as much a mental thing than anything else... I like to take long breaks, taking nolva doesn't do any harm when you wrap up, I wouldn't go spending any money in fancy combos tho..
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PCT
Something to block estrogen (raloxifene)
After all the gear is out your system (8 weeks), start clomid therapy
2 weeks of that, hit with a gonadotropin
That's it really
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PCT is useless unless you plan to get off permanently. If you plan to get back on i dont see the point really. Did PCT once, really makes you feel like shit.
Im cruising on 250mg of test a week and 30mg of MK 677 ED after a 600mg test/600mg EQ and tbol blast.
My strengh is pretty much the same, pumps are great, I look as thick if not thicker.
If you want to make constant progress you need to be on drugs YEAR ROUND. Coming off is coming backward.
Unless you want to come off for good or pass a drug test stay on, just rotate your drugs smartly.
that was my reasoning from the getgo.. but i was told by every "vet" on every other board that pct is crucial yada yada. i want to compete and i want to make progress. i get bloods pulled 4 times a year to be safe anyways why not just stay on. ill be trting when im 40 anyways, why just cycle and come off im im eventually going to be on for life anyways
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PCT is useless unless you plan to get off permanently. If you plan to get back on i dont see the point really. Did PCT once, really makes you feel like shit.
Im cruising on 250mg of test a week and 30mg of MK 677 ED after a 600mg test/600mg EQ and tbol blast.
My strengh is pretty much the same, pumps are great, I look as thick if not thicker.
If you want to make constant progress you need to be on drugs YEAR ROUND. Coming off is coming backward.
Unless you want to come off for good or pass a drug test stay on, just rotate your drugs smartly.
WRONG. PCT is necessary when men want to come off and make babies. ;)
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PCT
Something to block estrogen (raloxifene)
After all the gear is out your system (8 weeks), start clomid therapy
2 weeks of that, hit with a gonadotropin
That's it really
Interesting approach here, but meh, think I will just stay on, lol...
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WRONG. PCT is necessary when men want to come off and make babies. ;)
so ronnie coleman was off when he made his 284 beautiful black babies? ::)
completely wrong...
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Interesting approach here, but meh, think I will just stay on, lol...
The biggest mistake I see, is people not waiting long enough to start the PCT
Like 4 weeks lol
Now these days people take trestolone, 2mg shuts you completely down in medical studies. And people are taking half a gram a week undecanoate and then wondering why after waiting 4 weeks their PCT isn't working lol
I came off completely, no PCT and it was 6 weeks before I felt completely off. Test levels just came back normal after bloods lol. Then I hit up 1ml of that galeniko special brew :D
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The biggest mistake I see, is people not waiting long enough to start the PCT
Like 4 weeks lol
Now these days people take trestolone, 2mg shuts you completely down in medical studies. And people are taking half a gram a week undecanoate and then wondering why after waiting 4 weeks their PCT isn't working lol
I came off completely, no PCT and it was 6 weeks before I felt completely off. Test levels just came back normal after bloods lol. Then I hit up 1ml of that galeniko special brew :D
but what can the harm be by starting it sooner? Say the time of pct (when the drugs clear is equal) how does it change anything?
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I cruise on 500-600 mg of test/week and 50 mg proviron/day. Hope this helps.
how do your bloods look (cholesterol, liver values ect.) on this big of a cruise dose?
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WRONG. PCT is necessary when men want to come off and make babies. ;)
Well numerous guys have knocked up their girls while blasting a lot of gear including tren etc... Im pretty sure most guys can get their woman pregnant just by cruising and taking HCG.
However some guys will probably stay sterile no matter what they do.
Really depends on the person imo, infertility is like any side effect from steroids, it can strike you or not.
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but what can the harm be by starting it sooner? Say the time of pct (when the drugs clear is equal) how does it change anything?
Well if there is hormone active, you're just going to stay shut down lol
So it's a waste of drugs
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how do your bloods look (cholesterol, liver values ect.) on this big of a cruise dose?
there are actually studies on men with up to 600mg testosterone a week showing zero negative effects on health, apart from slightly worse cholesterol numbers (which are probably even ameliorated by the actual benefits a dosage like than can give regarding both health and well being)..
but ssssh
let other people stay sheep
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The biggest mistake I see, is people not waiting long enough to start the PCT
Like 4 weeks lol
Now these days people take trestolone, 2mg shuts you completely down in medical studies. And people are taking half a gram a week undecanoate and then wondering why after waiting 4 weeks their PCT isn't working lol
I came off completely, no PCT and it was 6 weeks before I felt completely off. Test levels just came back normal after bloods lol. Then I hit up 1ml of that galeniko special brew :D
if your on 1ml a week of test enth there should not be 8 weeks of backlog, or running fast acting esters.
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Well numerous guys have knocked up their girls while blasting a lot of gear including tren etc... Im pretty sure most guys can get their woman pregnant just by cruising and taking HCG.
However some guys will probably stay sterile no matter what they do.
Really depends on the person imo, infertility is like any side effect from steroids, it can strike you or not.
Numerous, but not many. It does depend on the person to an extent but taking test, in pretty much any dosage is going to nuke your sack. HCG only helps so much. I am excited for husband to PCT in the late fall and make me a baby! Haha (sorry, total girl moment.)
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Well if there is hormone active, you're just going to stay shut down lol
So it's a waste of drugs
Well you said the method is the culprit to them not recovering, dosen't make any sense to me as it's not causing harm. First time I ever hear about this 8 week clearance as well and gotta say there is no reason to wait that long considering no harm is done to wait sooner.
Pct drugs are very inexpensive anyway.
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hey gents, new to the thunderdome here but been lurkin for a while. got tired of all the bullshit on other boards, this board is no bullshit, straight to the truth, true thrunderdome of bodybuilding so...
i want to hear the real lowdown of blast/cruise vs pct. because no matter how much i eat post cycle i can not retain what i gain while on. personally, all these self proclaimed steroid gurus on other boards telling ppl they can keep gains ect i think is bullshit. the only reason you can keep gains is because you had no business doing gear in the first place and were no where near your natural potential therefore the weight stuck. but being 5'6" small jointed and small boned, my body does not want to be heavier than 180lbs when i come off. even if i am up past 200lbs while on i will eventually revert back to ~180.
besides that fact that im a homebrewer and i can make my own trt for less than $25/year and pct items are expensive (~$150 per pct), it is also financially smart to trt rather than come off entirely.. ive also heard some anecdotal reports of endos commenting on how blast cruise is actually less stressful on your body since you arent forcing it to start stop itself all the time. thoughts? ..i was thinking of just blasting and then cruising on a low dose of test (200mg/week) and maybe some masteron (150mg/week) for 8-12 weeks until i blast up on the anabolics again. i am a bodybuilder, an amateur one but im looking to take it to the next level where i can compete at a national level rather than just local shows and right now cycle/pct has me stuck. im not old enough or advanced enough to mess with slin yet. and at my age GH isnt really needed quite yet. so whats your guys take on blast/cruise vs pct. do you guys ever come off?
At every age imo GH is needed if you want to compete at a national level....Even at teen nationals there is GH use by at least half of the lineup..with that being said, slin should be help off on for as long as possible until your great conditioning isn't placing you in shows anymore (which shouldn't happen anytime soon) I think money is a big factor in deciding B&C while competing..You just never know what you're going to encounter which is why being financially stable especially for the younger guys is most important...Everything in this world is money...Your constant usage of gear requires money..The legit GH requires money..Your ancillaries will require money..not to mention competing and traveling costs money as well...There is plenty you can add to that list that i didn't :) No matter what anyone says ::) Money is ALWAYS most important ;D
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there are actually studies on men with up to 600mg testosterone a week showing zero negative effects on health, apart from slightly worse cholesterol numbers (which are probably even ameliorated by the actual benefits a dosage like than can give regarding both health and well being)..
but ssssh
let other people stay sheep
interesting. whats your take on cruising stacks? like 250mg test 250mg masteron 250mg EQ. as long as you keep rbc in range i dont see much negatives
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At every age imo GH is needed if you want to compete at a national level....Even at teen nationals there is GH use by at least half of the lineup..with that being said, slin should be help off on for as long as possible until your great conditioning isn't placing you in shows anymore (which shouldn't happen anytime soon) I think money is a big factor in deciding B&C while competing..You just never know what you're going to encounter which is why being financially stable especially for the younger guys is most important...Everything in this world is money...Your constant usage of gear requires money..The legit GH requires money..Your ancillaries will require money..not to mention competing and traveling costs money as well...There is plenty you can add to that list that i didn't :) No matter what anyone says ::) Money is ALWAYS most important ;D
great response man, thanks for your input. all very valid points. i do have access to hgh but i dont know if it would be worth the investment right now. 1000iu for 1500$ serum tested at 43.5 nl/ml after 10iu shot. so good quality but brewing my own gear is dirt cheap. but getting into the GH game is expensive. and to get an anabolic benefit from the gh, from what ive heard and read 8iu/day seems to be minimum. need to find a wealthy benefactor lol ;D
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if your on 1ml a week of test enth there should not be 8 weeks of backlog, or running fast acting esters.
Nah that was afterwards, I was running boldenone and deca before
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interesting. whats your take on cruising stacks? like 250mg test 250mg masteron 250mg EQ. as long as you keep rbc in range i dont see much negatives
i think test is really the best thing to cruise on... i dont know what the point of 250mg EQ or 250mg mast would be...
with mast i can see the benefit regarding libido, well being, less estrogen etc.. but EQ? imo EQ is just a weaker test with more sides...
imo test only would be better... test+mast could be done too, however mast is probably rather harsh on lipids...
the thing is, estrogen is beneficial to cholesterol and in dosages of 500 or 600mg test only youll have enough estrogen to kind of balance out the negative effects of the testosterone. thats why such a dosage is not really harmful long term.
while 300test 300mast or something along these lines could certainly be done without killling you ^^ it would obviously be less healthy
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i think test is really the best thing to cruise on... i dont know what the point of 250mg EQ or 250mg mast would be...
with mast i can see the benefit regarding libido, well being, less estrogen etc.. but EQ? imo EQ is just a weaker test with more sides...
imo test only would be better... test+mast could be done too, however mast is probably rather harsh on lipids...
the thing is, estrogen is beneficial to cholesterol and in dosages of 500 or 600mg test only youll have enough estrogen to kind of balance out the negative effects of the testosterone. thats why such a dosage is not really harmful long term.
while 300test 300mast or something along these lines could certainly be done without killling you ^^ it would obviously be less healthy
EQ is good for cutting if you want to get stage ready
Also good for bulking if you don't want water retention
But for regular joe
Just offseason on test/deca/tren/dbol
Diet on test/tren/mast
Prep is a whole new ballgame
I don't see any reason really to use anything other than test, tren, deca, mast +either dbol/sdrol/adrol
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there are actually studies on men with up to 600mg testosterone a week showing zero negative effects on health, apart from slightly worse cholesterol numbers (which are probably even ameliorated by the actual benefits a dosage like than can give regarding both health and well being)..
but ssssh
let other people stay sheep
Do you mind showing studies? I think that could be very valid and believable considering there are some older bb's like Gaspari and Ruhl and Priest who are still cruising on high dosages and are fairly healthy
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lets not forget that study was done over 10 weeks, then they got off. To say you can use 600mg for life (as we pretty much all hope to do) is kinda risky and would not assume anything in regards to health and it being good.
But dig the idea!...
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Do you mind showing studies? I think that could be very valid and believable considering there are some older bb's like Gaspari and Ruhl and Priest who are still cruising on high dosages and are fairly healthy
http://www.ergo-log.com/testfewsides.html
lets not forget that study was done over 10 weeks, then they got off. To say you can use 600mg for life (as we pretty much all hope to do) is kinda risky and would not assume anything in regards to health and it being good.
But dig the idea!...
true that, however if there are no serious sides after 10 weeks how many could be there after 10 months etc... we dont really know
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http://www.ergo-log.com/testfewsides.html
true that, however if there are no serious sides after 10 weeks how many could be there after 10 months etc... we dont really know
Not sure if there could be an analogy with hormonal birth control for women. A lot of women take it for years (but I think it has been proven to increase the risk of certain health issues).
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WRONG. PCT is necessary when men want to come off and make babies. ;)
No its not.... I've had two, one on a 3 month brake, one bang in the middle of a cycle..., if you have low sperm count your more or less fucked, but I've countless friends who have had same experience as me
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No its not.... I've had two, one on a 3 month brake, one bang in the middle of a cycle..., if you have low sperm count your more or less fucked, but I've countless friends who have had same experience as me
Reminds me, should probably take another ml of trestolone before my girl gets back from interstate lol
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hey gents, new to the thunderdome here but been lurkin for a while. got tired of all the bullshit on other boards, this board is no bullshit, straight to the truth, true thrunderdome of bodybuilding so...
i want to hear the real lowdown of blast/cruise vs pct. because no matter how much i eat post cycle i can not retain what i gain while on. personally, all these self proclaimed steroid gurus on other boards telling ppl they can keep gains ect i think is bullshit. the only reason you can keep gains is because you had no business doing gear in the first place and were no where near your natural potential therefore the weight stuck. but being 5'6" small jointed and small boned, my body does not want to be heavier than 180lbs when i come off. even if i am up past 200lbs while on i will eventually revert back to ~180.
besides that fact that im a homebrewer and i can make my own trt for less than $25/year and pct items are expensive (~$150 per pct), it is also financially smart to trt rather than come off entirely.. ive also heard some anecdotal reports of endos commenting on how blast cruise is actually less stressful on your body since you arent forcing it to start stop itself all the time. thoughts? ..i was thinking of just blasting and then cruising on a low dose of test (200mg/week) and maybe some masteron (150mg/week) for 8-12 weeks until i blast up on the anabolics again. i am a bodybuilder, an amateur one but im looking to take it to the next level where i can compete at a national level rather than just local shows and right now cycle/pct has me stuck. im not old enough or advanced enough to mess with slin yet. and at my age GH isnt really needed quite yet. so whats your guys take on blast/cruise vs pct. do you guys ever come off?
If you have no problem donating some blood a few times a year, and having a doctor that will help you out..There is no reason not to B&C..But realize as your priorities change as you're a bit older..If you permanently damage your HTPA there is no going back..If you want to cruise just for the sake of money, and you don't have any bodybuilder aspirations or have a self-image disorder where you aren't able to stop, i'd suggest reconsidering things..But people will do what they do...Only thing i miss is being able to go to bed at night with good test levels without having to pin it into me and knowing that everything is fine and dandy..Lots of shit on TRT (especially at high doses when blasting for long periods of time) can creep up on you over time..
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Il be cruising on 250 test 250 mast
Make sure you cruis though
Don't do a me and stay blasting for months on end
Eventually your body will have enough lol.
I started getting ill all the time and then boom the abcess
Also don't jab more then 3ml a time
Guy untrained with showed me a study showing body can't handle more then 3ml a time
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if your gear is near pipless then you can easily take 5ml
ANYWHERE
glutes, delts, ventroglutes, quads, lats
ive pinned 5ml everywhere and no issues
maybe 3ml for untrained guys with 10 inch biceps :D