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Title: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 10:06:01 AM
Imagine if a liberal was portrayed in an ad like this.  The MSM would be frothing at the mouth.


(http://images.politico.com/global/2015/06/21/150621_ted_cruz_ap_629_956x519.jpg)

AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
By HANNA TRUDO
6/22/15

In an Associated Press image that drew comment and criticism on Twitter on Sunday, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is seen speaking with what appeared to be a gun aimed straight at him.

The photograph — taken by the AP’s Charlie Neibergall — actually captured a background poster, with a large semi-blurred image of a handgun pointed at Cruz’s forehead, straight between the eyes.

Cruz was appearing Saturday at CrossRoads Shooting Sports in Johnston, Iowa. During his speech, Cruz, an outspoken proponent of Second Amendment rights, encouraged residents to adopt what he called a Texan approach to guns by simply “hitting what you aim at.”
A day earlier, the Republican presidential candidate accused Democrats of using Wednesday’s church massacre in Charleston, South Carolina, as an excuse “to take away the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.”

Conservative Twitter users said the image showed the AP’s bias against Republicans, while The Breitbart website wrote about the response the AP image would have drawn from the public had it been an anti-gun rally featuring a Democratic candidate: “How many think pieces about violent imagery and responsible reporting would we see?”

The AP responded with a statement late Sunday night.

“Presidential candidate Ted Cruz,” Paul Colford, vice president & director of media relations, said, “was shown in a series of 14 photos taken by an Associated Press photographer at a ‘Celebrate the 2nd Amendment’ event Saturday afternoon, held at a shooting range in Johnston, Iowa. Five of the photos published by AP included images of guns seen on a wall in the background so that it appeared a pistol was pointed at Sen. Cruz’s head.

“The images were not intended to portray Sen. Cruz in a negative light,” Colford said.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/ted-cruz-twitter-gun-ap-photographer-picture-119270.html#ixzz3duDfScAH
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2015, 10:09:23 AM
cruz is my #1 choice for president in 2016.

But I gotta ask... did the AP photoshop that image in there?   Or that's the actual photo?   Who was the room planner that thought it wise to put up wall art without thinking about how it would look in photogrpahs?

Are people actually outraged because of a picture that wasn't shopped?   ANd it's twitter users outraged, not cruz himself?

some seriously whiny shit here.  Complain about how the media won't cover cruz and trump being the ONLY anti-amnesty candidates... don't waste time on nonsense like actual undoctored pics.  Shameful.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 10:22:01 AM
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Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: polychronopolous on June 23, 2015, 10:25:52 AM
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Is it all a ruse by 240?

Will we see him begin to ratchet up with his criticism towards Cruz in the coming months?

I got my eyes on you, Rob.  8)
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Skeletor on June 23, 2015, 10:40:12 AM
So he happened to be in a place with a poster depicting a gun and under a certain angle it looks like the gun on the poster is pointing at him. And?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 10:44:17 AM
Jesus Christ Bum, just yesterday you were criticizing the MSM for calling Perry out on his alleged gaffe saying it was very predictable for liberals to jump over something so minor and today you make a complete ass of yourself by doing the exact same thing

Exactly.  I don't think Perry has a legitimate chance to be the nominee, but he just misspoke.  Very predictable for liberals to jump all over something so minor. 
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
Is it all a ruse by 240?

Will we see him begin to ratchet up with his criticism towards Cruz in the coming months?

I got my eyes on you, Rob.  8)

Obviously. 
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 10:53:50 AM
So he happened to be in a place with a poster depicting a gun and under a certain angle it looks like the gun on the poster is pointing at him. And?

lol.  Yes, just an oversight.  This went through too many people for it be considered a mistake.  It literally jumps off the page.  The hypocrisy by the liberal media is astounding. 

Remember when liberals (including at least one on this board) tried to blame Palin for the shooting of Giffords because Palin had a poster with targets on it? 
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 11:01:25 AM
lol.  Yes, just an oversight.  This went through too many people for it be considered a mistake.  It literally jumps off the page.  The hypocrisy by the liberal media is astounding. 

Remember when liberals (including at least one on this board) tried to blame Palin for the shooting of Giffords because Palin had a poster with targets on it? 

LOL - now you "know" this is not a mistake yet you're equally convinced that Perry's statement was an error

how about it wasn't ANYTHING

just a picture of a dude talking at a Gun Range

Here's another one

OMG !!!!



Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
GUESS THE POLITICAL PARTY: AP PHOTO LINES PISTOL UP WITH SENATOR, 2016 CANDIDATE TED CRUZ’S BRAIN
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/06/AP745534202182-640x447.jpg)
Ted CruzAP Photo/Charlie Neibergall
by BREITBART NEWS
21 Jun 2015

Of course, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) is a Republican.

That puts him in proximity with guns and gun posters, as seen in this picture from Associated Press photog Charlie Neibergall, more often than Democrats.

Still, imagine a similar situation–a U.S. Senator campaigning for President–and instead of a pro-2nd Amendment event, it’s a pro-gun control event. Imagine this Senator is standing in front of a giant poster of a pistol–one meant to demonize the weapon rather than promote it.

Imagine that this same AP photographer, instead of shifting a foot to the left or the right, framed a picture with the Senator’s nose almost touching the barrel, as a closer crop makes clear.

Imagine that this photographer, even though he took a few shots with this silly setup, took many more without it. Imagine that his editor–unnamed and insulated from public backlash–chose not one but two but three of those photos to distribute to AP’s clients.

Imagine this scenario–and how would the world respond if the name on those photos read:

Bernie Sanders?

Hillary Clinton?

Even excluding 2016 candidates, what about:

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)?

Gabrielle Giffords?

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), again, is a Republican, and of course his feelings won’t get hurt. He’s a big boy.

But imagine the outcry were he a Democrat. How many think pieces about violent imagery and responsible reporting would we see? How many more if he were a woman?

Keep this in mind for the 2016 campaign. This is the playing field.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/06/21/guess-the-political-party-ap-photo-lines-pistol-up-with-senator-2016-candidate-ted-cruzs-brain/
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Skeletor on June 23, 2015, 11:08:05 AM
lol.  Yes, just an oversight.  This went through too many people for it be considered a mistake.  It literally jumps off the page.  The hypocrisy by the liberal media is astounding. 

Remember when liberals (including at least one on this board) tried to blame Palin for the shooting of Giffords because Palin had a poster with targets on it? 

That was also a hysterical overreaction, as is this. Had the AP photoshopped the gun I could understand the furor over the hypocrisy, but in this case I think you don't sound much different than the ultra-sensitive liberal crybabies. But, that's politics.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 11:09:21 AM
Yes, let's imagine this same thing happened to Clinton

if the MSM made a big deal about it people like Bum would say something like this

Quote

Very predictable for liberals to jump all over something so minor.

Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 11:12:49 AM
That was also a hysterical overreaction, as is this. Had the AP photoshopped the gun I could understand the furor over the hypocrisy, but in this case I think you don't sound much different than the ultra-sensitive liberal crybabies. But, that's politics.

Oh please.  This was absolutely not an accident. There are too many people who have to touch a photo like this before it is published.  Even after it is published, there are so many people in the organization who will see it jumping off the page, that it had to be deliberate.  Not necessarily taking the picture from that angle, but unquestionably seeing it before it was published. 

The fact the AP has removed the picture shows they know it was wrong too. 
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 11:14:03 AM
Don't you think Cruz himself knew it?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 11:15:50 AM
Oh please.  This was absolutely not an accident. There are too many people who have to touch a photo like this before it is published.  Even after it is published, there are so many people in the organization who will see it jumping off the page, that it had to be deliberate.  Not necessarily taking the picture from that angle, but unquestionably seeing it before it was published. 

The fact the AP has removed the picture shows they know it was wrong too. 

or it shows they didn't even realize it or think it was a big deal until a bunch of right wing crybabies started shitting their diapers



Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 11:19:53 AM
That was the focal point of that wall, if not the entire room. He knew what he was doing, and his group of people knew what he was doing.

Myself, I wonder what he was doing.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 11:27:00 AM
You can sense the crookedness in everything media does. In on a game with Ted Cruz, perhaps? A little high-stakes bonanza, maybe? Stealing a bit of democracy, nudge-nudge?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 11:28:43 AM
That was the focal point of that wall, if not the entire room. He knew what he was doing, and his group of people knew what he was doing.

Myself, I wonder what he was doing.

he didn't give it a seconds thought, just like the AP.

No one even thought about it until some right wing crybabies started losing their shit
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Skeletor on June 23, 2015, 11:29:05 AM
Oh please.  This was absolutely not an accident. There are too many people who have to touch a photo like this before it is published.  Even after it is published, there are so many people in the organization who will see it jumping off the page, that it had to be deliberate.  Not necessarily taking the picture from that angle, but unquestionably seeing it before it was published. 

The fact the AP has removed the picture shows they know it was wrong too. 

Media selecting the most polarizing and provocative pictures and statements. Shocking. I can understand the whole hypocrisy angle (from all sides) especially when it comes to firearms but really, is the whole argument "the liberals whined about it, now I want to whine too!"? How many articles are there that mention specifically what Cruz talked about and how many that focus on this picture angle numbskullery? I'd rather read the former.

(http://www.glitters20.com/quotes/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Funny-Political-24.jpg) (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Bush-Turkey-2.jpg)
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 11:41:54 AM
he didn't give it a seconds thought, just like the AP.

No one even thought about it until some right wing crybabies started losing their shit

Unless his eyesight is fucked, he would have to be unconcious. And the people that have his back would have to be blind and/or brain-dead or unconcious. So WHY they did it is what we should question.

These people trip their brains out on image and images, and I'm sure you don't think they were blind that day for some reason - both to the focal point of the room and the photgraphers in relation to the man. Absolutely and without question: if the picture and its angle is what it appears to us, there is no way it avoided awareness.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2015, 11:43:28 AM
it is so weird that cruz would give a speech in a room full of gun pictures, and his face would appear in a pic with a gun image.

Reminds me of the time I went to the zoo and my camera (obviously a liberal device) kept picking up images of giraffes and lions and panda bears. 
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 11:44:06 AM
...easiest thing in the world to remove it or change position. Let's not play games.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2015, 11:46:17 AM
...easiest thing in the world to remove it or change position. Let's not play games.

if the liberal media had 'photoshopped out' pic of guns from a republican speaker... woooo they'd be bitching about that too.

this is why repubs can't win national election - they're overreacting to dumb shit.  they just don't seem tough.  Do you think reagan was always 'offended' and clint eastwood was always 'butthurt over a pic angle'?

Repubs got soft.  Repub media is weak and begging to be offended and need to just appear tougher, like they give no fcks.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 11:51:42 AM
if the liberal media had 'photoshopped out' pic of guns from a republican speaker... woooo they'd be bitching about that too.

this is why repubs can't win national election - they're overreacting to dumb shit.  they just don't seem tough.  Do you think reagan was always 'offended' and clint eastwood was always 'butthurt over a pic angle'?

Repubs got soft.  Repub media is weak and begging to be offended and need to just appear tougher, like they give no fcks.

That is a very powerful picture, though.

The question is WHY Cruz and media acted together to make it happen. They certainly both acted to do it, and by doing so they each undeniably served the other. Isn't that right?

So why did they do that? That's what I want to know.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 11:55:54 AM
Unless his eyesight is fucked, he would have to be unconcious. And the people that have his back would have to be blind and/or brain-dead or unconcious. So WHY they did it is what we should question.

These people trip their brains out on image and images, and I'm sure you don't think they were blind that day for some reason - both to the focal point of the room and the photgraphers in relation to the man. Absolutely and without question: if the picture and its angle is what it appears to us, there is no way it avoided awareness.

you're giving these guys way too much credit
these guys are constantly being photographed and they couldn't possibly micromanage or even give any consideration to every possible photo that might be snapped
He was there to give a talk and shoot guns and he's not thinking about how a photo might line up

I don't think Cruz thought about it at all and if he did then you're suggesting he stood there intentionally for purposes of a photo so then you can't really blame the AP

think about Palin giving a chat on cameran while a guy is killing turkeys behind her.

this of all the politicians who been photographed eating food that makes that look silly in hindsight

Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:03:14 PM
you're giving these guys way too much credit
these guys are constantly being photographed and they couldn't possibly micromanage or even give any consideration to every possible photo that might be snapped
He was their to give a talk and shoot guns and he's not thinking about how a photo might line up

I don't think Cruz thought about it at all and if he did then you're suggesting he stood there intentionally for purposes of a photo so then you can't really blame the AP

think about Palin giving a chat on cameran while a guy is killing turkeys behind her.

this of all the politicians who been photographed eating food that makes that look silly in hindsight



Straw, you of all people understand how high the stakes are. If you don't sense a set-up despite the appearance of that: WHO is it you've placed trust in to say otherwise?

Because I don't think for one minute that you believe Cruz and his people didn't recognize what pictures would SURELY be placed out for mass viewing from that room, with that 10-ton focal point. You aren't dumb.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:08:32 PM
And you're right that it falls on Cruz in the sense that he placed himself there. But no question it is irresponsible to publish something like that, too. So there's that.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 12:09:58 PM
Straw, you of all people understand how high the stakes are. If you don't sense a set-up despite the appearance of that: WHO is it you've placed trust in to say otherwise?

Because I don't think for one minute that you believe Cruz and his people didn't recognize what pictures would SURELY be placed out for mass viewing from that room, with that 10-ton focal point. You aren't dumb.

so you're saying you believe he stood there on purpose and knew or hoped they would snap that photo?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 12:14:22 PM
And you're right that it falls on Cruz in the sense that he placed himself there. But no question it is irresponsible to publish something like that, too. So there's that.

I honestly don't think Cruz thought about it at all

maybe if we had video we could make a better judgement of whether this was intentional on his part

I posted another photo on the first page of this thread with a similar gun in the background

these guys are doing appearances all day long, every day and I just don't believe they can micromanage this stuff

I also doubt the AP would intentionally print an inflamtory photo, especially after the South Carolina shooting.

I think (personal opinion) you're giving other human beings way too much credit

shit happens
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:19:32 PM
so you're saying you believe he stood there on purpose and knew or hoped they would snap that photo?

If the only other explanation is that he was unaware, then I can't help but to think that. Yes.

The picture has more than that much impact, and belief can only be stretched so far.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: 240 is Back on June 23, 2015, 12:22:15 PM
cruz cannot analyze every room at every time as he's rushing thru campaigning.

Now, if it was a carefully coordinated event, like Palin and the turkey thing - plenty of time to plan that out. 

In this case, it's an awkward pic but that's it.   Repubs who are acting all upset over it are acting weak and soft.  People subconsciously wonder "if a repub is emotional and angry and hurt and whining about this, are they tough enough to face down putin and nkorea?"
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 12:22:23 PM
Media selecting the most polarizing and provocative pictures and statements. Shocking. I can understand the whole hypocrisy angle (from all sides) especially when it comes to firearms but really, is the whole argument "the liberals whined about it, now I want to whine too!"? How many articles are there that mention specifically what Cruz talked about and how many that focus on this picture angle numbskullery? I'd rather read the former.

(http://www.glitters20.com/quotes/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Funny-Political-24.jpg) (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Bush-Turkey-2.jpg)


I'm not shocked.  Yes this is hypocritical.  I don't think anyone is "whining" about it.  People are talking about it, as they should.  
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 12:23:10 PM
Don't you think Cruz himself knew it?

Do I think Cruz knew they would take a picture with a gun pointing at his head and publish about four of them?  I doubt it. 
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: headhuntersix on June 23, 2015, 12:25:25 PM
The AP reporter knew exactly what he was doing...exactly. The picture got through their editors with no real pushback...not the first time they've pulled this shit. This isn't the fault of Cruz's folks. They should have insured that the jackwagon AP fotog wasn't gonna be able to get that angle. If his media folks are junior or inexperienced...they'll learn that everything...everything about a media event has to be orchestrated or crap like this will happen.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:26:53 PM
I honestly don't think Cruz thought about it at all

maybe if we had video we could make a better judgement of whether this was intentional on his part

I posted another photo on the first page of this thread with a similar gun in the background

these guys are doing appearances all day long, every day and I just don't believe they can micromanage this stuff

I also doubt the AP would intentionally print an inflamtory photo, especially after the South Carolina shooting.

I think (personal opinion) you're giving other human beings way too much credit

shit happens

I know these guys are running in circles, they become exhausted (mostly with their own lies, probably), and shit happens. But that would explain a verbal slip. This would actually require blindness, or else a level of unawareness that simply isn't believable.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:28:58 PM
The AP reporter knew exactly what he was doing...exactly. The picture got through their editors with no real pushback...not the first time they've pulled this shit. This isn't the fault of Cruz's folks. They should have insured that the jackwagon AP fotog wasn't gonna be able to get that angle. If his media folks are junior or inexperienced...they'll learn that everything...everything about a media event has to be orchestrated or crap like this will happen.

Since you mention orchestration: how do you explain the fact that Cruz allowed himself to be positioned there?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:31:43 PM
cruz cannot analyze every room at every time as he's rushing thru campaigning.

Now, if it was a carefully coordinated event, like Palin and the turkey thing - plenty of time to plan that out. 

In this case, it's an awkward pic but that's it.   Repubs who are acting all upset over it are acting weak and soft.  People subconsciously wonder "if a repub is emotional and angry and hurt and whining about this, are they tough enough to face down putin and nkorea?"

Not sure how a large fixed wall display versus a person's physical position could be explained as "ackward", necessarily.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 12:32:15 PM
The AP reporter knew exactly what he was doing...exactly. The picture got through their editors with no real pushback...not the first time they've pulled this shit. This isn't the fault of Cruz's folks. They should have insured that the jackwagon AP fotog wasn't gonna be able to get that angle. If his media folks are junior or inexperienced...they'll learn that everything...everything about a media event has to be orchestrated or crap like this will happen.

Yep.  I agree. 
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:35:10 PM
Not sure how a large fixed wall display versus a person's physical position could be explained as "ackward", necessarily.

..especially if they chose to do it that way, which they did.

So why did they do that? We can safely say they were seeking a benefit: so what is it? That's what I want to know.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:51:57 PM
Do I think Cruz knew they would take a picture with a gun pointing at his head and publish about four of them?  I doubt it. 

Do you think he was unaware people were taking pictures of him, and that it would depict a gun pointed at his head? Or that he was unaware of some part of that?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
Do you think he was unaware people were taking pictures of him, and that it would depict a gun pointed at his head? Or that he was unaware of some part of that?

I'm sure he knew people were taking pictures.  I doubt he knew they would publish pictures that showed a gun pointing at his head.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
I'm sure he knew people were taking pictures.  I doubt he knew they would publish pictures that showed a gun pointing at his head.

So you figure he thought the photographers on that side were taking pictures for their personal files, or...?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 01:00:00 PM
Any explanations?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 01:01:26 PM
Who will deny this is a very strong image?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Dos Equis on June 23, 2015, 01:04:30 PM
So you figure he thought the photographers on that side were taking pictures for their personal files, or...?

Of course not.  They were taking pictures to publish them. 
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 01:05:50 PM
Of course not.  They were taking pictures to publish them. 

Thank you.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 01:07:30 PM
I know these guys are running in circles, they become exhausted (mostly with their own lies, probably), and shit happens. But that would explain a verbal slip. This would actually require blindness, or else a level of unawareness that simply isn't believable.

exactly

total unawarness

he's in a shooting range so why would he give 2 seconds thought to a picture on the wall of a gun
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 01:25:36 PM
exactly

total unawarness

he's in a shooting range so why would he give 2 seconds thought to a picture on the wall of a gun

A gun that can appear from the side to be pointed right between his eyes, if he stands in exactly in a certain place, you mean?

Let me ask you this, then: do you think it escaped his and his peoples' awareness that it could provide the same controversy that's happening right now, if nothing else?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 02:15:25 PM
A gun that can appear from the side to be pointed right between his eyes, if he stands in exactly in a certain place, you mean?

Let me ask you this, then: do you think it escaped his and his peoples' awareness that it could provide the same controversy that's happening right now, if nothing else?

yes, I think I've said this before

I think it completely escaped everyones awareness

Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 02:29:52 PM
yes, I think I've said this before

I think it completely escaped everyones awareness



So the wall-display didn't escape awareness, you'd say. And his physical position against the display didn't escape awareness, either, you'd also say. And the fact that photographers were standing there taking pictures certainly didn't escape awareness, obviously.

But the consequences that should be expected from those things, did escape awareness.

Is that what you're saying?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Jack T. Cross on June 23, 2015, 02:34:12 PM
Do you think this shows the Cruz camp are a bunch of idiots, Straw?

Could it be that's why you'd want to believe something so unlikely?
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 03:23:19 PM
Do you think this shows the Cruz camp are a bunch of idiots, Straw?

Could it be that's why you'd want to believe something so unlikely?

yes, but that's besides the point

I think I've said a few times now that they can't micromanage every possible camera angle in every location and I don't think they gave it a first or second thought


Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 03:26:09 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ap-explains-photo-of-ted-cruz-with-gun-pointed-at-his-face/


And so, last night, the AP’s director of media relations Paul Colford released a statement explaining the photograph, but not apologizing:

Presidential candidate Ted Cruz was shown in a series of 14 photos taken by an Associated Press photographer at a ‘Celebrate the 2nd Amendment’ event Saturday afternoon, held at a shooting range in Johnston, Iowa. Five of the photos published by AP included images of guns seen on a wall in the background so that it appeared a pistol was pointed at Sen. Cruz’s head. The images were not intended to portray Sen. Cruz in a negative light.
Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 03:30:53 PM
Here's another one

No way this goofy looking doofus has a pray in hell of winning the nomination

Title: Re: AP photo shows a gun pointed at Ted Cruz’s head
Post by: Straw Man on June 23, 2015, 09:58:29 PM
I don't see any issue here

guns don't kill people and pictures of guns painted on wall obviously don't kill any people either

wtf ?