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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Darren Avey on June 28, 2015, 12:54:18 PM
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Vote a real man in for President next time. As much as the world hates to admit it we need you to take the lead against ISIS. Your current President, on the day of 3 separate attacks by ISIS world wide prefers to ignore that to shine pretty rainbow colours onto the White house.
Vote in someone with balls who can eliminate this shit scum before its too late, and believe me soon it will be.
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I don't vote, but our options are pretty limited :-[
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He won't even call them ISIS, guy. We feel your frustration.
Edit: ... but everyone hates our intervening anywhere, remember? Bullies, they say. Engaging militarily in obvious oil grabs and whatnot. We're the real terrorists, they tell us.
Let them get this one.
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don't worry...
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Didn't ISIS just declare parts of southern Russia as their territory.
Mistake.
Putin & co do not believe in political correctness and that everybody should just try to get along.
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President Hilary is going to give the USA the leadership it deserves, good and hard. We're fucked.
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Didn't ISIS just declare parts of southern Russia as their territory.
Mistake.
Putin & co do not believe in political correctness and that everybody should just try to get along.
Lets hope he does a proverbial rear lat spread onto the isis scum. Lights out mothafucka
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Vote a real man in for President next time. As much as the world hates to admit it we need you to take the lead against ISIS. Your current President, on the day of 3 separate attacks by ISIS world wide prefers to ignore that to shine pretty rainbow colours onto the White house.
Vote in someone with balls who can eliminate this shit scum before its too late, and believe me soon it will be.
Mr. Avey,
Thank you for your input. Our presidents are now chosen not voted.
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Vote a real man in for President next time. As much as the world hates to admit it we need you to take the lead against ISIS. Your current President, on the day of 3 separate attacks by ISIS world wide prefers to ignore that to shine pretty rainbow colours onto the White house.
Vote in someone with balls who can eliminate this shit scum before its too late, and believe me soon it will be.
Like George bush jnr, him and Blair orchestrated this whole scenario..... In a bid to look like your doing something, overthrowing countries and causing more problems than before hand
Gadafi, sadam and Assad knew how to keep those crazy fuckers under control, now we know why they slaughter entire villages
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Lets hope he does a proverbial rear lat spread onto the isis scum. Lights out mothafucka
Zing guy, way to keep it bodybuilding related.
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Like George bush jnr, him and Blair orchestrated this whole scenario..... In a bid to look like your doing something, overthrowing countries and causing more problems than before hand
Gadafi, sadam and Assad knew how to keep those crazy fuckers under control, now we know why they slaughter entire villages
This is the truth right here.
When you run the zookeeper out and open all the cages..... carnage.
Theres a reason there is a zookeeper. Yes he might beat the animals every now and then but he knows them better than anyone else.
America sticking its nose where it doesnt belong has cost us a lot of American lives, but of course our "rulers' couldnt give a shit. Too busy living the high life.
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If our military went in there without the political rules of engagement it would be a quick extermination of ISIS. Now we can't use artillery there. Air Strikes need approval. Often from a guy sitting at desk in Washington. Retaliating in attacks often need approval. If we fought the Germans and Japanese like this we would all be speaking German goose stepping around town cause we would have gotten our asses kicked.
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Like George bush jnr, him and Blair orchestrated this whole scenario..... In a bid to look like your doing something, overthrowing countries and causing more problems than before hand
Gadafi, sadam and Assad knew how to keep those crazy fuckers under control, now we know why they slaughter entire villages
Truth right here.
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Vote a real man in for President next time. As much as the world hates to admit it we need you to take the lead against ISIS. Your current President, on the day of 3 separate attacks by ISIS world wide prefers to ignore that to shine pretty rainbow colours onto the White house.
Vote in someone with balls who can eliminate this shit scum before its too late, and believe me soon it will be.
Whom do you suggest?
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Isis, Taliban, Al CIA duh all made up and funded by USA and Mossad. Look up pics of Rumsfeld and McCain meeting with these groups at their formations.
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Isis, Taliban, Al CIA duh all made up and funded by USA and Mossad. Look up pics of Rumsfeld and McCain meeting with these groups at their formations.
Oh brother. Your kind again.
Yes, look at FDR meeting with Stalin. Look at Nixon going to China. Look at all the brutal dictators getting together in NY.
Leaders meet with other leaders both good and bad. And they take pictures.
Yes, we fund terrorist so they can blow up buildings and kill Americans. And for what purpose exactly? Money? Wars COSTS money. Big money that's driving us to bankruptcy.
But you know it all. You; a nobody, that knows nobody of consequence, that reads conspiracy theories on the net, with an average education, knows all the government's secrets.
Please leave this country and live somewhere else. If you are a decent person how can you live in such a corrupt country?
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Vote a real man in for President next time. As much as the world hates to admit it we need you to take the lead against ISIS. Your current President, on the day of 3 separate attacks by ISIS world wide prefers to ignore that to shine pretty rainbow colours onto the White house.
Vote in someone with balls who can eliminate this shit scum before its too late, and believe me soon it will be.
I agree, much better to have someone like Bush jr who, by removing all power structures in Iraq, created a vacuum and paved the way for al qeada/IS and such...
Btw: NATO and Obama did the same in Lybia....
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He won't even call them ISIS, guy. We feel your frustration.
Edit: ... but everyone hates our intervening anywhere, remember? Bullies, they say. Engaging militarily in obvious oil grabs and whatnot. We're the real terrorists, they tell us.
Let them get this one.
Not really... people don't mind America intervening in noble causes.. problem is most recent US invasions have been clearly ignoble.
THIS WOULD BE AN HONORABLE WAR ----- and USA don't wanna touch it......
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If our military went in there without the political rules of engagement it would be a quick extermination of ISIS. Now we can't use artillery there. Air Strikes need approval. Often from a guy sitting at desk in Washington. Retaliating in attacks often need approval. If we fought the Germans and Japanese like this we would all be speaking German goose stepping around town cause we would have gotten our asses kicked.
That all out approach didn't work in Vietnam did it? Chemical weapons and endless carpet bombing included
It also didn't work for the Russians when they occupied Afghanistan in the eighties....
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Not really... people don't mind America intervening in noble causes.. problem is most recent US invasions have been clearly ignoble.
THIS WOULD BE AN HONORABLE WAR ----- and USA don't wanna touch it......
Define noble. Saddam's hundreds of thousands of victims didn't qualify Iraq as an honorable war? Forget all the stated reasons for invasion, just address the body count alone.
If that war was "clearly ignoble," what makes this one any less so? ISIS hasn't even gotten close to Saddam's numbers yet.
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I agree, much better to have someone like Bush jr who, by removing all power structures in Iraq, created a vacuum and paved the way for al qeada/IS and such...
Btw: NATO and Obama did the same in Lybia....
Actually it was Obama who pulled troops that allowed ISIS to fill in the void.
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Define noble. Saddam's hundreds of thousands of victims didn't qualify Iraq as an honorable war? Forget all the stated reasons for invasion, just address the body count alone.
If that war was "clearly ignoble," what makes this one any less so? ISIS hasn't even gotten close to Saddam's numbers yet.
But that's not why the US invaded... Kurd situation was in 1991... the 2003 invasion was for the imaginary weapons of mass destruction..
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That all out approach didn't work in Vietnam did it? Chemical weapons and endless carpet bombing included
It also didn't work for the Russians when they occupied Afghanistan in the eighties....
We were winning the war in Vietnam. We won every single battle in South East Asia. The third world gooks were simply no match for us. Even with the self impose restrictions we put on ourselves like we do today.
We didn't lose, we left due to political pressure from the Left at home. And when we left the same thing happened as is happening in Iraq. Remember, or even heard, of Pol Pot.
That's what we were trying to prevent. Communist expansion and the mass slaughter of their own people. We won some: like West Germany, Philippines, South Korea.... And lost some: Eastern Europe, Cuba, South America....
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Define noble. Saddam's hundreds of thousands of victims didn't qualify Iraq as an honorable war? Forget all the stated reasons for invasion, just address the body count alone.
If that war was "clearly ignoble," what makes this one any less so? ISIS hasn't even gotten close to Saddam's numbers yet.
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No one killed more Muslims than Saddam. We know that he had designs to build nuclear weapons because he built a nuclear reactor in the late 1980s that Israel destroyed. Nobody remembers that.
We know he had WMDs because he used them. Use them against his own people. He attacked everyone of his neighbors. Spoke openly about invading Saudi Arabia and taking control of the entire Mideast oil supply. He continually violated the armistice agreement we had following Gulf War 1 so we don't invade Baghdad. He shot at our planes daily patrolling the no fly zones to keep him from slaughtering the Kurds. Just one attack on a patrolling plane is considered an act of war. He kicked the inspectors out and expected us to just take him on his word. To trust him.
People don't remember, or more likely never knew, that after continual violation of the UN Resolution Bush came before the UN and gave them an Ultimatum: either enforce international law or the US will. After 14 violations. 14 lines drawn in the sand that was ignored and mocked by Hussein we gave him one final chance known as UN Resolution 1441.
He again violated it and spit in our face. What were we suppose to do? How many lines in the sand do we draw? How many "Don't do it or else?" empty threats do we give to a dictator who showed he had designs to conquer the Middle East before international law becomes meaningless.
Our invasive of Iraq had more to do than just WMDs. Even though all the major intelligence agencies: Russian, French, German, UK believe he did. And the vast majority of Congress and the Senate supported the invasion until the popularity waned. And Bush did not lie. A lie is not saying something that is untrue. A lie is saying something you know is not true. All the world believe Saddam had WMDs but somehow Bush, by himself, ignoring all intelligence agencies including his own, knew for a fact that Hussein DID NOT have WMDs but said so anyway. This man, who so many considered a dumbass, knew something for a fact that the rest of the world didn't and lied about it
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No one killed more Muslims than Saddam. We know that he had designs to build nuclear weapons because he built a nuclear reactor in the late 1980s that Israel destroyed. Nobody remembers that.
We know he had WMDs because he used them. Use them against his own people. He attacked everyone of his neighbors. Spoke openly about invading Saudi Arabia and taking control of the entire Mideast oil supply. He continually violated the armistice agreement we had following Gulf War 1 so we don't invade Baghdad. He shot at our planes daily patrolling the no fly zones to keep him from slaughtering the Kurds. Just one attack on a patrolling plane is considered an act of war. He kicked the inspectors out and expected us to just take him on his word. To trust him.
People don't remember, or more likely never knew, that after continual violation of the UN Resolution Bush came before the UN and gave them an Ultimatum: either enforce international law or the US will. After 14 violations. 14 lines drawn in the sand that was ignored and mocked by Hussein we gave him one final chance known as UN Resolution 1441.
He again violated it and spit in our face. What were we suppose to do? How many lines in the sand do we draw? How many "Don't do it or else?" empty threats do we give to a dictator who showed he had designs to conquer the Middle East before international law becomes meaningless.
Our invasive of Iraq had more to do than just WMDs. Even though all the major intelligence agencies: Russian, French, German, UK believe he did. And the vast majority of Congress and the Senate supported the invasion until the popularity waned. And Bush did not lie. A lie is not saying something that is untrue. A lie is saying something you know is not true. All the world believe Saddam had WMDs but somehow Bush, by himself, ignoring all intelligence agencies including his own, knew for a fact that Hussein DID NOT have WMDs but said so anyway. This man, who so many considered a dumbass, knew something for a fact that the rest of the world didn't.
yes some good points here... How could they have fear from this Man, the UN was way too slow to act on many occasions... this guy below was a Failure...
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Vote for Christ 2016.
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The war in Iraq has been a disaster. It was always going to be a disaster.
America has never been serious about fighting Islamic terrorism. They've even supported Islamic terrorism when it's been in their favour to do so.
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yes some good points here... How could they have fear from this Man, the UN was way too slow to act on many occasions... this guy below was a Failure...
Beyond a failure. If the UN had some balls the massacre in Rwanda, the only other true genocide, could have easily been prevented. Nearly a million people slaughtered primarily by machetes in three months. That's more than every man, women, and child that lives on this island of Hawaii that I reside.
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The war in Iraq has been a disaster. It was always going to be a disaster.
America has never been serious about fighting Islamic terrorism. They've even supported Islamic terrorism when it's been in their favour to do so.
What would you have done when Saddamn continually violated the armistice agreement following Gulf War 1? What would you have done after he nearly completed building a nuclear reactor?
Iraq was on it's way with schools, human rights, oil money going to the people and not Saddamn's pockets. It may not seem like a big thing to you but an Iraqi told my brother when he was there thanks because he can now fly a kite in the country.
The problem is that we left. Same mistake that we made in Vietnam where over twice the number of people were killed in two years than our entire ten year involvement on both sides.
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What would you have done when Saddamn continually violated the armistice agreement following Gulf War 1? What would you have done after he nearly completed building a nuclear reactor?
Iraq was on it's way with schools, human rights, oil money going to the people and not Saddamn's pockets. It may not seem like a big thing to you but an Iraqi told my brother when he was there thanks because he can now fly a kite in the country.
The problem is that we left. Same mistake that we made in Vietnam where over twice the number of people were killed in two years than our entire ten year involvement on both sides.
Nation building is expensive. And as we build up one or two nations, our nation suffers...and other nations are building up themselves and laugh at us.
No truer words have been spoken with "you break it, you own it."
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What would you have done when Saddamn continually violated the armistice agreement following Gulf War 1? What would you have done after he nearly completed building a nuclear reactor?
Iraq was on it's way with schools, human rights, oil money going to the people and not Saddamn's pockets. It may not seem like a big thing to you but an Iraqi told my brother when he was there thanks because he can now fly a kite in the country.
The problem is that we left. Same mistake that we made in Vietnam where over twice the number of people were killed in two years than our entire ten year involvement on both sides.
I couldn't give a damn about Iraq and how Saddam chose to run his country. If he ever stepped out of line and attacked the US, than by all means hit him twice as hard. Until then, let him do what he wants.
At least Saddam kept control over a divided and hugely sectarian population. Are the Iraqi people better off now? Perhaps you could ask that question to the Christian population in Iraq who's numbers have dropped since the invasion from 1.5 million to a barely a quarter of a million. :'(
The presence of American forces might have maintained peace but they would have had to leave sooner or later.
Don’t you find it strange that America despise secular minded Muslim leaders like Assad and Saddam but remain friendly with the Saudi sheikhs – who actually promote and fund the fundamentalist Islamic doctrines of Wahhabism and Salafism around the world - which is the number one cause for Islamic extremism we are currently seeing. :-\ ???
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Nation building is expensive. And as we build up one or two nations, our nation suffers...and other nations are building up themselves and laugh at us.
No truer words have been spoken with "you break it, you own it."
We destroyed and remade Japan from a warlike, aggressive, militaristic society into what it is today. It was better for us, for Japan and for the world.
But this is not to say we should be in the business of nation building.
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I couldn't give a damn about Iraq and how Saddam chose to run his country. If he ever stepped out of line and attacked the US, than by all means hit him twice as hard. Until then, let him do what he wants.
At least Saddam kept control over a divided and hugely sectarian population. Are the Iraqi people better off now? Perhaps you could ask that question to the Christian population in Iraq who's numbers have dropped since the invasion from 1.5 million to a barely a quarter of a million. :'(
The presence of American forces might have maintained peace but they would have had to leave sooner or later.
Don’t you find it strange that America despise secular minded Muslim leaders like Assad and Saddam but remain friendly with the Saudi sheikhs – who actually promote and fund the fundamentalist Islamic doctrines of Wahhabism and Salafism around the world - which is the number one cause for Islamic extremism we are currently seeing. :-\ ???
Of course you don't until he nukes Israel, slaughters the Kurds and controls the entire Mideast oil supply and then people like you start saying, "Where was America? How come we didn't connect the dots."
The Iraqis were way better off after we over threw Saddam. They became worse off after we left. But that's not why we over threw him. His continual violation of international law seems to have just sailed over your head. Controlling the Middle East oil supply is a threat to out national security.
How long should we stay? As long as it takes. How long were/are we in Germany, Korea, Philippines? There's no time table in international affairs and the was the biggest mistake Obama made. Telling the enemy when we would leave.
What's strange is not that we do business with the Saudi's. We need oil. What's strange is that we are not allowed to drill for oil here in our own country. ANWR has been estimated to hold far more oil than Saudi Arabia and we could eliminate our dependency on foreign oil by using the oil we have here in our own country. Just addition of shale and fracking has driven oil prices down and we are now nearly the largest producer of oil in the world. We could easily triple our production.
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Of course you don't until he nukes Israel, slaughters the Kurds and controls the entire Mideast oil supply and then people like you start saying, "Where was America? How come we didn't connect the dots."
Let me guess, you also think Iran are going to nuke Israel and support a war against them to? :D
LOL. You know, you really shouldn’t believe everything you are told from politicians, especially those of the neo-conservative variety. ;D
You're a smart guy pellius. You're better than this.
The Iraqis were way better off after we over threw Saddam.
Embarrassing to see someone actually say this. They have been worse off the moment the war began.
How long should we stay? As long as it takes. How long were/are we in Germany, Korea, Philippines? There's no time table in international affairs and the was the biggest mistake Obama made. Telling the enemy when we would leave.
Spending trillions of dollars on a pointless war and then a few further trillion dollars to keep mantain the peace there afterwards. :-\
What's strange is not that we do business with the Saudi's. We need oil.
Of course we need oil. But getting it from a nation which is probably the number one cause for Islamic terrorism on the planet today when it can be got elsewhere is baffling. America is talking about defeating Islamic terrorism while indirectly funding it. It’s a circus. :-\
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We destroyed and remade Japan from a warlike, aggressive, militaristic society into what it is today. It was better for us, for Japan and for the world.
But this is not to say we should be in the business of nation building.
That was then. This is now. Plus, the cultural differences between Japan and Iraq. And the ruling system. There is a reason why Al Queda and others of its ilk couldn't survive in an iron fist Saddam controlled Iraq. And Our infrastructure is falling apart...the nation is sinking from more things than debt.
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pallius supports all military action by the US in order to rid the world of evildoers
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But that's not why the US invaded... Kurd situation was in 1991... the 2003 invasion was for the imaginary weapons of mass destruction..
Exactly. 'Blood for Oil,' blah, blah, blah ...
You think for a minute if we went in for ISIS we wouldn't be the world's oppressive, occupying, terrorist bullies again? Might take a few months, but c'mon.
Let the 'good guys' sort out the world from now on. Our intentions obviously can't be trusted. Knock yourselves out.
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Let me guess, you also think Iran are going to nuke Israel and support a war against them to? :D
LOL. You know, you really shouldn’t believe everything you are told from politicians, especially those of the neo-conservative variety. ;D
You're a smart guy pellius. You're better than this.
Embarrassing to see someone actually say this. They have been worse off the moment the war began.
Spending trillions of dollars on a pointless war and then a few further trillion dollars to keep mantain the peace there afterwards. :-\
Of course we need oil. But getting it from a nation which is probably the number one cause for Islamic terrorism on the planet today when it can be got elsewhere is baffling. America is talking about defeating Islamic terrorism while indirectly funding it. It’s a circus. :-\
You really, really don't think Iran would want to destroy Israel or supply other of their enemies the means to do so? Do you think if they could Iran or anyone of the various terrorist it supports and funds would like to nuke a shopping mall or subway station in the US?
Why do I think they want to destroy Israel? It's because they say so. Instead of YOU listening to the media listen to what are enemies are saying and doing.
But before I answer anymore of your questions, some I am frothing at the mouth to do, you have continually ignored my direct question to you. I've already explain in some detail why we went to war with Iraq. And it wasn't just WMDs. It was a continual violation of international law and the armistice agreement with had with Hussein following the war in Kuwait. An agreement he continually mocked and ignored. There were 14 UN Security Resolutions that he ignore. Fourteen lines in the sand drawn. Fourteen "don't do this or else". And he called out bluff. How many warnings to we give before we just become a laughing stock and a paper tiger whose warnings are meaningless and willingness to enforce international law. Law Hussein agreed to? Bush went before the UN Security Council and declared that if they don't enforce international law he will. Saddam has attacked all his neighbors, had and used WMDs, built a nuclear reactor and open stated he wanted to control the Mideast oil supply and invade Saudi Arabia. That gave rise to the final UN Resolution 1441. He just laughed, spit in our face and called our bluff.
What would you have done?
This very thread was started by someone who realizes the role America plays in the world and we are the only one willing and able to step up confront the world enemies. An average everyday citizen across the pond is literally begging and pleading for us to elect a strong leader that will confront and destroy our enemies and the enemies of the world.
What about you?
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We need to elect retired USMC General James Mattis. He'll get shit squared away real quick.
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That was then. This is now. Plus, the cultural differences between Japan and Iraq. And the ruling system. There is a reason why Al Queda and others of its ilk couldn't survive in an iron fist Saddam controlled Iraq. And Our infrastructure is falling apart...the nation is sinking from more things than debt.
There are two types of military analysts — those who believe that the essence of war is unchanging, and others who insist that its very nature is constantly and forever altered by rapidly transforming technologies, mentalities, and physical realities. The former are mostly historians. They see the nature of man as fixed, and so identify real change only in the pump — the delivery system — not the water or essence, of war. The latter are social scientists, technologists, and sometimes military men themselves, who believe new hydraulics pour forth an entirely novel liquid.
I am a believer of the former and have history to back me up. There is nothing new here but the delivery system. We must not forget the wisdom of the ages in the noise and clutter of the present. In general, Plato, Sun-Tzu, and Shakespeare, who know the unchanging nature of man, are more valuable guides in our present war than the New York Times or MSNBC. Our President and military leadership should be guided more by Thucydides than by Marx, Freud, or Foucault, and so believes that the more things change in war, the more the fundamentals remain the same.
So it doesn't really matter, nor should we care, if ISIS, Al Queda, Taliban or the Red Hand Commandos and their thugs are real Islamic fundamentalists, old-time Mahdists, or Christian nuts in drag. Nor does it ultimately matter much whether they plan to poison water, hijack airplanes, spread germs, or throw spitballs at us — only whether we have the military power and the WILL to kill them first, destroy their enclaves, strip away their money and refuges, and demonstrate to their followers that death and misery are the final and only wages of a terrorist's life.
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pallius supports all military action by the US in order to rid the world of evildoers
Don't presume to speak for me. I'm right here and willing and able to answer any and all questions.
We're trying to have an adult discussion on very important issues. There are far more other threads, the majority in fact, where you can just balonie around.
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Exactly. 'Blood for Oil,' blah, blah, blah ...
You think for a minute if we went in for ISIS, we wouldn't be the world's oppressive, occupying, terrorist bullies again? Might take a few months, but c'mon.
Let the 'good guys' sort out the world from now on. Our intentions obviously can't be trusted. Knock yourselves out.
If we were like any other country there would be an America flag planted in their oil fields and we would be running their government and stealing their oil. And there is not a damn thing anybody could do about it. Instead, we buy their oil, at market prices, and the proceeds go to the country and not into Saddam's pockets
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If we were like any other country there would be an America flag planted in their oil fields and we would be running their government and stealing their oil. And there is not a damn thing anybody could do about it. Instead, we buy their oil, at market prices, and the proceeds go to the country and not into Saddam's pockets
Is this a neocon troll job or what? haha
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Is this a neocon troll job or what? haha
Yeah "ha ha"
"Neocon?" Oh brother. Why don't you tell me what that really means?
If you have anything intelligent to say, say it. If you disagree lets hear it. Otherwise move along to the DLB thread.
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Don't presume to speak for me. I'm right here and willing and able to answer any and all questions.
We're trying to have an adult discussion on very important issues. There are far more other threads, the majority in fact, where you can just balonie around.
You may be trying but it aint working.
It's easy to sum up your "position"...whenever the US bombs and invades a country it's for the spreading of sweet goodness across the world. But at the same time if anybody else does the same thing they are evildoers.
This is what's called the doctrine of "exceptionalism" which is a bunch of horeshit.
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if they do go into Russia....Putin WILL put an end to them
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You may be trying but it aint working.
It's easy to sum up your "position"...whenever the US bombs and invades a country it's for the spreading of sweet goodness across the world. But at the same time if anybody else does the same thing they are evildoers.
This is what's called the doctrine of "exceptionalism" which is a bunch of horeshit.
It "ain't" working for YOU simply because you lack the education, knowledge and perhaps intelligence to understand how things work in the world. That's why you are starting to get frustrated and angry and take such a simplistic view to summarize my beliefs.
You don't understand the concept of American Exceptionalism simply because, like most Americans, you were born and raised here and just assume what America has achieved is the norm when in fact in most of the world people are ruled by dictators, have little human rights, and suffer starvation, disease and war. You live here purely by luck of the draw and therefore take it for granted. You did nothing to earn or deserve the freedoms and prosperity paid for by others. You ignore the fact that far more people want to come here to live than in any other country. You ignore the fact that the world always looks to us for leadership and to come to the rescue of others whether from natural disaster or tyranny. This very thread is started by someone not in the US asking us to show the leadership and strength to fight the enemies. He's not looking to his own country, or to France, Germany or anybody else because they are unwilling and unable to lead the fight.
We're exceptional, my friend. Very exceptional. We're not perfect but we do more for our people and for the rest of the world than anybody else.
Imagine the world without the US? Who will fill that power vacuum? Russia? China? Then you will finally humble yourself, abandon your whiny ingratitude, and get on your knees and pray for a United States.
You should be grateful that you live in a country that is the best force for good in this world.
But you won't be. You'll continue to sit behind your computer in your air conditioned room drinking and eating whatever you want no matter if you are hungry or thirsty comfortable in the fact that you are safe and have others to protect you if threatened. And think that is the norm in the world
It's working, brother. A lot of people are working and sacrificing.
Just not you.
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if they do go into Russia....Putin WILL put an end to them
Hahaha, exactly!!!
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It "ain't" working for YOU simply because you lack the education, knowledge and perhaps intelligence to understand how things work in the world. That's why you are starting to get frustrated and angry and take such a simplistic view to summarize my beliefs.
You don't understand the concept of American Exceptionalism simply because, like most Americans, you were born and raised here and just assume what America has achieved is the norm when in fact in most of the world people are ruled by dictators, have little human rights, and suffer starvation, disease and war. You live here purely by luck of the draw and therefore take it for granted. You did nothing to earn or deserve the freedoms and prosperity paid for by others. You ignore the fact that far more people want to come here to live than in any other country. You ignore the fact that the world always looks to us for leadership and to come to the rescue of others whether from natural disaster or tyranny. This very thread is started by someone not in the US asking us to show the leadership and strength to fight the enemies. He's not looking to his own country, or to France, Germany or anybody else because they are unwilling and unable to lead the fight.
We're exceptional, my friend. Very exceptional. We're not perfect but we do more for our people and for the rest of the world than anybody else.
Imagine the world without the US? Who will fill that power vacuum? Russia? China? Then you will finally humble yourself, abandon your whiny ingratitude, and get on your knees and pray for a United States.
You should be grateful that you live in a country that is the best force for good in this world.
But you won't be. You'll continue to sit behind your computer in your air conditioned room drinking and eating whatever you want no matter if you are hungry or thirsty comfortable in the fact that you are safe and have others to protect you if threatened. And think that is the norm in the world
It's working, brother. A lot of people are working and sacrificing.
Just not you.
Nothing to add beyond dismissing your historical claims as just a bunch of fairy tales.
nothing to do with me personally.
you seem to have strong feeling about this so if you have a serious point I'd love to hear it.
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Nothing to add beyond dismissing your historical claims as just a bunch of fairy tales.
nothing to do with me personally.
you seem to have strong feeling about this so if you have a serious point I'd love to hear it.
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Calling my historical claims, that can be confirmed and verified on google (look up UN Resolution 1414, look up Iraq building a nuclear reactor which Israel destroyed, look up Saddam gassing the Kurds) as a "bunch fairy tales" and just reading my response, whether you agree or disagree, and assuming I am joking and not being serious confirms my accessment about your level of education, knowledge, experience and intelligence.
You are in over your head. I grew up in a political family where my father worked in politics and it was the topic of discussion, along with world issues every night. I had a brother that served in Vietnam and a brother who is a Colonel in the Army and served two tours in Iraq during the Bush years. I was campaigning and working in elections since before I was a teen. I even campaigned for McGovern and first term Carter much to my present horror. I also worked as a DOD contractor for twenty years and had intimate contact with the military and also travel around the world, including Iraq and saw first hand how people lived. Admittedly my stays were nothing like a tour of duty and were brief it was sheltered but seeing the best of what these war torn countries are like made a strong impression on me and strengthen my appreciation of America and how fragile civilization is.
Again you are in over your head and out of your element here. Turn off the TV, travel and try to at least read a few books of historical significance.
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Forget all the stated reasons for invasion
::) lets not
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Calling myself historical claims, that can be confirmed and verified on google (look up UN Resolution 1414, look up Iraq building a nuclear reactor which Israel destroyed, look up Saddam gassing the Kurds) as a "bunch fairy tales" and just reading my response, whether you agree or disagree, and assuming I am joking and not being serious confirms my accessment about your level of education, knowledge, experience and intelligence.
You are in over your head. I grew up in a political family where my father worked in politics and it was the topic of discussion, along with world issues every night. I had a brother that served in Vietnam and a brother who is a Colonel in the Army and served two tours in Iraq during the Bush years. I was campaigning and working in elections since before I was a teen. I even campaigned for McGovern and first term Carter much to my present horror. I also worked as a DOD contractor for twenty years and had intimate contact with the military and also travel around the world, including Iraq and saw first hand how people lived. Admittedly my stays were nothing like a tour of duty and were brief it was sheltered but seeing the best of what these war torn countries are like made a strong impression on me and strengthen my appreciation of America and how fragile civilization is.
Again you are in over your head and out of your element here. Turn off the TV, travel and try to at least read a few books of historical significance.
Sorry not much to add in fact I think we agree.
It's perfectly fine for you to adhere to an irrational belief system.
You claim the US is exceptional with regard to international affairs. A force for good, no self interest. This is the dogma.
Is there a single shred of evidence to support this position? Looking forward to seeing this!
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::) lets not
Fine, argue with yourself about twelve year-old news. Nothing to do with thread.
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Sorry not much to add in fact I think we agree.
It's perfectly fine for you to adhere to an irrational belief system.
You claim the US is exceptional with regard to international affairs. A force for good, no self interest. This is the dogma.
Is there a single shred of evidence to support this position? Looking forward to seeing this!
Right, we're nothing special and can't be trusted. Arabs should, therefore, handle their own shit.
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Sorry not much to add in fact I think we agree.
It's perfectly fine for you to adhere to an irrational belief system.
You claim the US is exceptional with regard to international affairs. A force for good, no self interest. This is the dogma.
Is there a single shred of evidence to support this position? Looking forward to seeing this!
Oh boy. Seriously? Do you even vote? Can you name the branches of government and their role? How many justices in the Supreme court? Can you name, say three of them? Who are on Mount Rushmore? What years were the War Between the States fought? Better yet, what century? Who ran against Bush in 2004? What Senators represent your State?
Goggle away.
In answer to your question: take your pick, Fascism, Nazism, Communism?
All could have prevailed if it wasn't for the US.
America feeds more people in the world for free than all the other countries combine. They provide more medical and humanitarian aid than all other countries combine. Ever see a satellite photo showing North and South Korea? One a living hell hole another a vibrant prosperous country. One Communist and the other a Democracy made possible by the US.
It's really, really sad the level of ignorance and ingratitude in your aptly name generation nothingness.
Keep reaping the rewards made possible by others but also keep staying away from the political process and bask in your blissful ignorance. Best you keep staying home watching "Dancing with the Stars" rather than vote for people and issues you know nothing about.
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Oh boy. Seriously? Do you even vote? Can you name the branches of government and their role? How many justices in the Supreme court? Can you name, say three of them? Who are on Mount Rushmore? What years were the War Between the States fought? Better yet, what century? Who ran against Bush in 2004? What Senators represent your State?
Not trying to be a dick, and no need to post an answer, just adding to the government/history questionnaire:
How many Americans - especially patriotic Repubs (only 'cause they pride themselves here) - can tell you which war inspired The National Anthem?
No Google, no Lifeline, just top o' the head. Ask around, bet the majority get it wrong.
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Not trying to be a dick, and no need to post an answer, just adding to the government/history questionnaire:
How many Americans - especially patriotic Repubs (only 'cause they pride themselves here) - can tell you which war inspired The National Anthem?
No Google, no Lifeline, just top o' the head. Ask around, bet the majority get it wrong.
Funny you should mention that because that subject came up recently. Because my expectations are so low for the Mr. Turbos of the country I give people a pass on that one because that particular war gets so little play. Much like the Korean war. But I did ask a 24 year old girl (we were on the subject) who just graduated from the University of Hawaii with a degree in Business Admin what century the Civil war took place. Not what year or decade but what century. She told me the 17th century. Now even giving her the benefit of a doubt and she meant the 1700s it still is astonishing based on the process of elimination. I then just had to ask her what century was the country founded (since July 4th is coming up). She just said "Hmm, I just keep getting confused about what came first. The Civil War or Independence day." I then said here's a hint which might help you remember what came first. The Civil War, more accurately described as the 'War Between the STATES'. One of the reasons the war was fought was to preserve the Union. And she just replied, "The Union of what?"
And people wonder how a community organizer who only got into the Senate because the current Senator at the time (the husband of the hottie who played Seven of Nine of that Star Trek show) step down due to infidelity charges and the Republicans had the colossally inane idea that they had to run a fellow Black against him, any Black, and choose the one issue kook, Alan Keyes, was elected President of the most powerful country in the world
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Funny you should mention that because that subject came up recently. Because my expectations are so low for the Mr. Turbos of the country I give people a pass on that one because that particular war gets so little play. Much like the Korean war. But I did ask a 24 year old girl (we were on the subject) who just graduated from the University of Hawaii with a degree in Business Admin what century the Civil war took place. Not what year or decade but what century. She told me the 17th century. Now even giving her the benefit of a doubt and she meant the 1700s it still is astonishing based on the process of elimination. I then just had to ask her what century was the country founded (since July 4th is coming up). She just said "Hmm, I just keep getting confused about what came first. The Civil War or Independence day." I then said here's a hint which might help you remember what came first. The Civil War, more accurately described as the 'War Between the STATES'. One of the reasons the war was fought was to preserve the Union. And she just replied, "The Union of what?"
And people wonder how a community organizer who only got into the Senate because the current Senator at the time (the husband of the hottie who played Seven of Nine of that Star Trek show) step down due to infidelity charges and the Republicans had the colossally inane idea that they had to run a fellow Black against him, any Black, and choose the one issue kook, Alan Keyes, was elected President of the most powerful country in the world
Plenty of videos online exposing the idiocy of everyday America - Watters' World comes to mind. Honestly, my only friends who got the Anthem question right were vets.
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You really, really don't think Iran would want to destroy Israel or supply other of their enemies the means to do so? Do you think if they could Iran or anyone of the various terrorist it supports and funds would like to nuke a shopping mall or subway station in the US?
Iran hasn’t attacked a nation for over 200 years. I don’t see them as a threat and I’m sure they are aware of what will happen if they ever launch an attack. :-X
Why do I think they want to destroy Israel? It's because they say so. Instead of YOU listening to the media listen to what are enemies are saying and doing.
…..and there are Americans such as yourself speaking of destroying Iran. The only difference is that America actually has, in recent history, followed through on their threats, while Iran hasn’t.
Besides, their former leader, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was misquoted in many of his comments about Israel.
But before I answer anymore of your questions, some I am frothing at the mouth to do, you have continually ignored my direct question to you.
You mean just like you’ve ignored my questions? ??? :D
I've already explain in some detail why we went to war with Iraq. And it wasn't just WMDs. It was a continual violation of international law and the armistice agreement with had with Hussein following the war in Kuwait. An agreement he continually mocked and ignored. There were 14 UN Security Resolutions that he ignore. Fourteen lines in the sand drawn. Fourteen "don't do this or else". And he called out bluff. How many warnings to we give before we just become a laughing stock and a paper tiger whose warnings are meaningless and willingness to enforce international law. Law Hussein agreed to? Bush went before the UN Security Council and declared that if they don't enforce international law he will. Saddam has attacked all his neighbors, had and used WMDs, built a nuclear reactor and open stated he wanted to control the Mideast oil supply and invade Saudi Arabia. That gave rise to the final UN Resolution 1441. He just laughed, spit in our face and called our bluff.
Perhaps you should also be aware that the war in Iraq was considered illegal by the UN. Kofi Annan said in 2004, "From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, the war was illegal." So America broke UN rules, just like Saddam did. Should America now bomb themselves for violating UN law? :-\
Israel (a country you appear to have a fetish with), has also violated numerous international laws and human rights acts.
This very thread was started by someone who realizes the role America plays in the world and we are the only one willing and able to step up confront the world enemies. An average everyday citizen across the pond is literally begging and pleading for us to elect a strong leader that will confront and destroy our enemies and the enemies of the world.
LOL! This thread was started by Darren Avey FFS. No offence to the guy but he’s hardly the smartest of men.
What about you?
I would strongly support any REAL American patriot who was running for President. A man in the mould of Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan would get my full backing. 8)
A warmongering phoney like Cruz or a communist phoney like Obama wouldn’t.
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Oh boy. Seriously? Do you even vote? Can you name the branches of government and their role? How many justices in the Supreme court? Can you name, say three of them? Who are on Mount Rushmore? What years were the War Between the States fought? Better yet, what century? Who ran against Bush in 2004? What Senators represent your State?
Goggle away.
In answer to your question: take your pick, Fascism, Nazism, Communism?
All could have prevailed if it wasn't for the US.
America feeds more people in the world for free than all the other countries combine. They provide more medical and humanitarian aid than all other countries combine. Ever see a satellite photo showing North and South Korea? One a living hell hole another a vibrant prosperous country. One Communist and the other a Democracy made possible by the US.
It's really, really sad the level of ignorance and ingratitude in your aptly name generation nothingness.
Keep reaping the rewards made possible by others but also keep staying away from the political process and bask in your blissful ignorance. Best you keep staying home watching "Dancing with the Stars" rather than vote for people and issues you know nothing about.
why was the US State department in 1937 issuing a report stating? :
"If Fascism cannot succeed by persuasion, it must succeed by force."
https://books.google.ca/books?id=xQnLGyx3_H0C&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=if+fascism+cannot+succeed+by+persuasion+then+it+must+succeed+by+force&source=bl&ots=b-Cf30QHsH&sig=f-h90BZO0ijrxLjptk5Ctnximw8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iJGSVfXYJc31yATNmLegDA&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA
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pallius, your thoughts on this matter are the product of a mind enslaved by a deranged set of beliefs.
simply put, you sir are a freedom hater
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pallius, your thoughts on this matter are the product of a mind enslaved by a deranged set of beliefs.
simply put, you sir are a freedom hater
Still can't answer and avoid the question about what you would do when Saddam repeated ignored the armistice agreement following Gulf War 1. And no response to the "shred of evidence" I gave of how America has been a force for good and has saved countries like South Korea from the hell hole that is the North. I understand. Like I said, you're in over your head and way out of your element.
Run along "Turbo" and head back to the WYHI, DLB and Crossfit Babes threads where you belong.
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Still can't answer and avoid the question about what you would do when Saddam repeated ignored the armistice agreement following Gulf War 1. And no response to the "shred of evidence" I gave of how America has been a force for good and has saved countries like South Korea from the hell hole that is the North. I understand. Like I said, you're in over your head and way out of your element.
Run along "Turbo" and head back to the WYHI, DLB and Crossfit Babes threads where you belong.
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See post above regarding the official support for fascism, this is not a secret.
I don't consider strong support of fascism a "force for good".
then again I'm not mentally deranged
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what could america do to help?
they caused this mess in the first place by overthrowing 2 strong regimes in Iraq and Libya, and weakening Assad in Syria. The result - Isis
they couldn't beat the taliban after spending more than a decade and billions of dollars fighting a bunch of dudes in flip flops without a single aircraft between them.
how in god's name are they gonna defeat ISIS?
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what could america do to help?
they caused this mess in the first place by overthrowing 2 strong regimes in Iraq and Libya, and weakening Assad in Syria. The result - Isis
they couldn't beat the taliban after spending more than a decade and billions of dollars fighting a bunch of dudes in flip flops without a single aircraft between them.
how in god's name are they gonna defeat ISIS?
Yes, "they." Quite the selective memory, mate.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/from-iraq-to-libya-and-syria-the-wars-that-come-back-tohaunt-us-10187065.html
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why was the US State department in 1937 issuing a report stating? :
"If Fascism cannot succeed by persuasion, it must succeed by force."
https://books.google.ca/books?id=xQnLGyx3_H0C&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=if+fascism+cannot+succeed+by+persuasion+then+it+must+succeed+by+force&source=bl&ots=b-Cf30QHsH&sig=f-h90BZO0ijrxLjptk5Ctnximw8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iJGSVfXYJc31yATNmLegDA&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA
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You asked for a "shred of evidence" of the good the US has done for this world. I gave it to you. You ignored it. You then change the topic and try to imply that the US supported Fascism.
Another question you wouldn't be able to answer if it was asked in person: Who was Mussolini? And what countries were in the Axis forces that we fought and destroyed in WW2?
Again I answered a direct question with a direct answer. You have not responded in kind.
You realized you are in over your head. You are not interested in clarity or truth. You're about promoting an agenda that you have been brainwashed by the Liberal media to believe. The historical references and claims I have made are backed by facts. South Korea is a way better place to live than North Korea because of the US and the soldiers who sacrificed their lives during the Korean war. A historical and present day fact that you ignore. You're more concern about protecting your ego and promoting the anti-American agenda that you have been brainwashed to believe by the Left.
Again, you claimed that America has never done a single thing to make this world a better place. I gave you several examples. In this case I am clearly right and you are clearly wrong. It's a black and white example. No wiggle room on this one.
You are not an honest and sincere person.
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what could america do to help?
they caused this mess in the first place by overthrowing 2 strong regimes in Iraq and Libya, and weakening Assad in Syria. The result - Isis
they couldn't beat the taliban after spending more than a decade and billions of dollars fighting a bunch of dudes in flip flops without a single aircraft between them.
how in god's name are they gonna defeat ISIS?
Actually, fighting ISIS is tailor made for the US. The problem we currently have fighting terrorism is the asymmetrical warfare. Not always knowing who the enemies are. They're not armies clearly identified and representing a specific country as such.
With ISIS, they are out in the open marching through Iraq, carrying their flag, clearly identifying themselves as they conquer and claim territory. It is this kind of clearly defined pitched battle that America does best. Two opposing armies confronting each other on the battlefield. Beginning with Vietnam America has not lost a single pitched battle. We've perfected it like no other country.
If we decide to confront ISIS on the battlefield as they march through Iraq we will destroy them. We will win. Just like we always win. Every damn time.
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You asked for a "shred of evidence" of the good the US has done for this world. I gave it to you. You ignored it. You then change the topic and try to imply that the US supported Fascism.
Another question you wouldn't be able to answer if it was asked in person: Who was Mussolini? And what countries were in the Axis forces that we fought and destroyed in WW2?
Again I answered a direct question with a direct answer. You have not responded in kind.
You realized you are in over your head. You are not interested in clarity or truth. You're about promoting an agenda that you have been brainwashed by the Liberal media to believe. The historical references and claims I have made are backed by facts. South Korea is a way better place to live than North Korea because of the US and the soldiers who sacrificed their lives during the Korean war. A historical and present day fact that you ignore. You're more concern about protecting your ego and promoting the anti-American agenda that you have been brainwashed to believe by the Left.
Again, you claimed that America has never done a single thing to make this world a better place. I gave you several examples. In this case I am clearly right and you are clearly wrong. It's a black and white example. No wiggle room on this one.
You are not an honest and sincere person.
thanks to whoever moved this thread so we don't have to read this diarrhea anymore
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Just because u lost and can't debate.....good job dipshit.
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thanks to whoever moved this thread so we don't have to read my diarrhea anymore
Fixed.
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Fixed.
Ironic that a plea to America gets turned into a typical Yank bash.
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Remove America from the equation over the last 60 years...explain to me how things play out. I suspect most couldn't even do it as they have no idea what happened last week let alone post 1945.
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Remove America from the equation over the last 60 years...explain to me how things play out. I suspect most couldn't even do it as they have no idea what happened last week let alone post 1945.
Europe would be speaking russian as a first language.
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Actually, fighting ISIS is tailor made for the US. The problem we currently have fighting terrorism is the asymmetrical warfare. Not always knowing who the enemies are. They're not armies clearly identified and representing a specific country as such.
With ISIS, they are out in the open marching through Iraq, carrying their flag, clearly identifying themselves as they conquer and claim territory. It is this kind of clearly defined pitched battle that America does best. Two opposing armies confronting each other on the battlefield. Beginning with Vietnam America has not lost a single pitched battle. We've perfected it like no other country.
If we decide to confront ISIS on the battlefield as they march through Iraq we will destroy them. We will win. Just like we always win. Every damn time.
Good points, though I would add that the politics of war in our time are much different than the past. Nowadays, even small civilian casualties are considered abhorrent and the press and world-wide community put a huge amount of attention on them. And even if we're fighting a standing army, the civilian casualties will be staggering.