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I've been approached to do the strength training for an MMA fighter who will be competing in September at a local promotion. I've got him on a basic Starting Strength linear gains program. I will also be writing up a new diet for him this evening. Should be interesting.
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Increase the weight slightly over time. Seems like something you'd need a trainer for just in case you forget to increase the weight.
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I've been approached to do the strength training for an MMA fighter who will be competing in September at a local promotion. I've got him on a basic Starting Strength linear gains program. I will also be writing up a new diet for him this evening. Should be interesting.
thats awesome man. What promotion is it? How do you plan on breaking up the exercises? I always thought it is good to stick with basics for weights...ie bench, squats, deads, lat pulls. The the rest being bodyweight and conditioning exercises. The weight classes in fight sports are nice because usually tons of bulking isn't needed.
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thats awesome man. What promotion is it? How do you plan on breaking up the exercises? I always thought it is good to stick with basics for weights...ie bench, squats, deads, lat pulls. The the rest being bodyweight and conditioning exercises. The weight classes in fight sports are nice because usually tons of bulking isn't needed.
"lat pulls"? Not sure what you're talking about. I put him on Starting Strength. Probably best for some of you guys to not add uninformed opinion into the mix.
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Make sure you incorporate some tire fighting/wrestling in your routine . :D
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK OOOOOOOOOOOOOOFF.
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Make sure you incorporate some tire fighting/wrestling in your routine . :D
I keep my guys strictly focused on The Big Three powerlifts, then introduce power cleans after 21 days. No tires, ropes, and all that nonsense.
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What fuckin good is bench press for MMA, unless you re one of those who think anyone who can push up four wheels a side is automatically a bad ass. CLOSE GRIP bench maybe, regular no.
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I think if I were that close to a fight, at this stage, I'd be transitioning into more explosive work than pure strength.
It would be composed of the 3 major lifts (as well as military), but it'd be more focussed on functional power to use in a fight.
I don't know if starting strength caters to that - just thinking about what I would do compared to what I do now, which is more conventional powerlifting programs with progressive overloads. I couldn't imagine training for a fight, close to the event and being sore as fuck from doing big deads etc.
Coach would know - but it will come with a barrage of people needling him over the success of his athletes :)
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What fuckin good is bench press for MMA, unless you re one of those who think anyone who can push up four wheels a side is automatically a bad ass. CLOSE GRIP bench maybe, regular no.
The mechanics of a punch are fairly analogous to a bench press, no?
I think I'd be tempted to single arm db presses, though.
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I think if I were that close to a fight, at this stage, I'd be transitioning into more explosive work than pure strength.
It would be composed of the 3 major lifts (as well as military), but it'd be more focussed on functional power to use in a fight.
I don't know if starting strength caters to that - just thinking about what I would do compared to what I do now, which is more conventional powerlifting programs with progressive overloads. I couldn't imagine training for a fight, close to the event and being sore as fuck from doing big deads etc.
Coach would know - but it will come with a barrage of people needling him over the success of his athletes :)
I see you don't know much about this sort of thing. And that's alright.
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I've been approached to do the strength training for an MMA fighter who will be competing in September at a local promotion. I've got him on a basic Starting Strength linear gains program. I will also be writing up a new diet for him this evening. Should be interesting.
Coach's not so secret weapon
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I see you don't know much about this sort of thing. And that's alright.
Well, I'm probably a little different to your athlete in that I'm quite strong and can't fight to save myself, so I sure as fuck wouldn't be pulling big numbers in the gym, fucking up the fight training that I would desperately need ;D
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Well, I'm probably a little different to your athlete in that I'm quite strong and can't fight to save myself, so I sure as fuck wouldn't be pulling big numbers in the gym, fucking up the fight training that I would desperately need ;D
I have no idea what you're even talking about.
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Maybe have the program revolve around the close grip bench, front squat ad deadlift. Full body split, linear progression sounds good. Would also work in some plyos/grip work as part of the warm up, extra core work at the end couldn't hurt either.
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thats awesome man. What promotion is it? How do you plan on breaking up the exercises? I always thought it is good to stick with basics for weights...ie bench, squats, deads, lat pulls. The the rest being bodyweight and conditioning exercises. The weight classes in fight sports are nice because usually tons of bulking isn't needed.
Bulking?.... Weight classes are about dieting, being as tight as possible to gain an advantage, unless your a heavy, those tight mma shorts show them up for the fat pigs they are
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Bulking?.... Weight classes are about dieting, being as tight as possible to gain an advantage, unless your a heavy, those tight mma shorts show them up for the fat pigs they are
Making weight isn't an issue with this guy. I'm doing his diet for him. He will actually build muscle and lose weight simultaneously. My main focus is bringing his squat numbers up.
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Weightlifting has no place in MMA. Post pics of every UFC champ for further proof.
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Another YAGR gimmick.
Yawn....
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Another YAGR gimmick.
Yawn....
Yep. ::)
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Coach's not so secret weapon
Yes, ask Strawman. Like Walter he can tell you how to train your fighter.
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Yes, ask Strawman. Like Walter he can tell you how to train your fighter.
Cooch, even an absolute total retard like Wiggs could train a guy to get knocked out in the first round.
The next smart personal trainer I meet will be the first.
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I'm confused....are we training these guys to kick the shit out of somebody or to change a tire?
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Yes, ask Strawman. Like Walter he can tell you how to train your fighter.
I never said I could
All I said was this was your not so secret strategy
You look like you're about to have a heart attack in that video
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I'm confused....are we training these guys to kick the shit out of somebody or to change a tire?
You obviously do not grasp the extraordinarly complex physiological benefits of rope training.
If you can't, tire flipping will be so far outside your realm of understanding you should just stop now.
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"lat pulls"? Not sure what you're talking about. I put him on Starting Strength. Probably best for some of you guys to not add uninformed opinion into the mix.
Oh dang, sorry man. I was thinking of throwing in lat pulls for some back work as it usually is a great exercise for myself and works the back really well. What promotion is your boy fighting in? I like to keep up on MMA.
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You obviously do not grasp the extraordinarly complex physiological benefits of rope training.
If you can't, tire flipping will be so far outside your realm of understanding you should just stop now.
Why don't you explain it to him??
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Why don't you explain it to him??
Nothing to explain. I'm handling the strength training of an MMA fighter. That means The Big Three and power cleans. Not tires, not ropes or any other Men's Health crap. We build champions.
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Nothing to explain. I'm handling the strength training of an MMA fighter. That means The Big Three and power cleans. Not tires, not ropes or any other Men's Health crap. We build champions.
Awesome. I wish you luck.
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sound like an excellent training approach.
what weight class is the athlete competing in?
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sound like an excellent training approach.
what IPF weight class is the athlete competing in?
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I do think a lot of the tire flipping ad rope swinging sort of thing is gimmicky at best. How could one argue that sort of stuff being time and effort better spent than lets say Oly lifts, the powerlifts and plyos for example. Conditioning that will actually be practical will be more specific, in this example actual sparring.
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Cross fit your fighter into the ground. His strength and stamina will be unrivaled. His only concern come game time is if he can fight or not and how he responds to getting punched in the face.
You can thank me later.
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Cross fit your fighter into the ground. His strength and stamina will be unrivaled. His only concern come game time is if he can fight or not and how he responds to getting punched in the face.
You can thank me later.
Trolling?
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Trolling?
:)
Just like the op.
Seriously though, and I know it's not a routine you use, I do think a crossfit program would have some practical benefits in a short training peroid. I'm no crossfit fan, but I think the basic grouping of exercise in its format would be somewhat ideal (compound explosive movements done while building cardio).
Your thoughts, or completely dumb idea?
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Just like the op.
Seriously though, and I know it's not a routine you use, I do think a crossfit program would have some practical benefits in a short training peroid. I'm no crossfit fan, but I think the basic grouping of exercise in its format would be somewhat ideal (compound explosive movements done while building cardio).
Your thoughts, or completely dumb idea?
If you separate the O-lifts and use them as intended (for power, no more than 1-5 reps with 2-4min recovery) then fine. But to use them as part of a "WOD" is a terrible idea that leads to injuries. No, I don't advocate CrossFit (it's not really clearly defined as to what it really is anyway). The risk/reward is to great to use with any real athlete especially a professional athlete.
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If you separate the O-lifts and use them as intended (for power, no more than 1-5 reps with 2-4min recovery) then fine. But to use them as part of a "WOD" is a terrible idea that leads to injuries. No, I don't advocate CrossFit (it's not really clearly defined as to what it really is anyway). The risk/reward is to great to use with any real athlete especially a professional athlete.
Good points and thanks for the input.
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Fighters need a huge gas tank and not the ability to do one rep in such things as a bench press. It's conditioning to fight hard for 3 to 5 minutes. Lifting should be mostly contained for power development and not specific low rep strength.
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Why are people responding to the OP like he's serious? Just "yet another" YAGR gimmick.
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I keep my guys strictly focused on The Big Three powerlifts, then introduce power cleans after 21 days. No tires, ropes, and all that nonsense.
NO rope climb :o ............