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Title: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Skorp1o on July 15, 2015, 03:14:33 AM
Froome is literally schooling the field and leaving them behind like a bunch of obese middle aged men.

Whats more startling is domestic helpers of Sky thrashing world wide leaders of other teams like Qintana in very tough stages.

This is very reminiscent of the US postal team where little guys helping Lance were destroying yellow jersey contenders at key stages....anyone familiar with the sport would know this is just fishy.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: atafic on July 15, 2015, 03:36:52 AM
Competitive cycling is nauseating. I can't stand it. The level of hypocrisy and chemical warfare is top notch
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Skylge on July 15, 2015, 03:37:17 AM
I don't follow cycling (I don't even have a TV), but usually all organisers/sports officials every claim that the sport is clean, and everyone is scrupulously tested etc etc
Looking at the average speeds attained in tour de france days gives an indication about drug/substance abuse.....
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Royalty on July 15, 2015, 05:21:43 AM
I bet that the top guys are taking megadoses of vitamin B-12
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: _aj_ on July 15, 2015, 05:29:13 AM
What stack allows them to keep their arms at 10"?
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: BigRo on July 15, 2015, 07:14:38 AM
I wonder what the team sky tour stack looks like?

I would like to see Quintana win.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 15, 2015, 07:19:26 AM
I wonder what the team sky tour stack looks like?

I would like to see Quintana win.

Essentially Quercetin, Guava berries and creatine.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: BigRo on July 15, 2015, 07:20:47 AM
goji berries and maca root too I would think.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: smoothasf on July 15, 2015, 08:05:50 AM
Froome can beat lance's best time up lance's favourite  climb at his very best...... they have no idea what clean is.   I prefer to watch a doped up tour though, it's more interesting.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: ritch on July 15, 2015, 09:50:12 AM
all those drugs to have such a disgusting body...
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: io856 on July 15, 2015, 10:04:14 AM
all those drugs to have such a disgusting body...
Imagine walking into a luxury hotel with these legs
Usually accompanied by a most amazing looking women, whom could only be attained through extreme wealth and success
The Tour DeFrance rider...
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: WalterWhite on July 15, 2015, 10:06:15 AM
imagine walking into a luxury hotel with these legs...

usually accompanied by a most amazing looking women

Needs to tan. :)
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: ritch on July 15, 2015, 10:10:58 AM
Imagine walking into a luxury hotel with these legs
Usually accompanied by a most amazing looking women, whom could only be attained through extreme wealth and success
The Tour DeFrance rider...

think I'd rather be the devil in this case.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: tommywishbone on July 15, 2015, 12:45:50 PM
Froome can beat lance's best time up lance's favourite  climb at his very best...... they have no idea what clean is.   I prefer to watch a doped up tour though, it's more interesting.

Exactly.  Natural bike racing is like watching kids ride on the bike path in Venice, but without all the big tits and lunatics.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: BigRo on July 15, 2015, 12:52:24 PM
Needs to tan. :)

boniest elbows them things must be menacing for his rivals.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2015, 12:56:46 PM
There is so much at stake, so much money, so much national pride and reputation and many careers, not just the cyclists careers but everyone around them, that everything is kept very secretive. One thing is for sure, these guys will do anything they can if they think they will get around the tests. Even the doping experts aren't sure what these guys are doing exactly.
I think there are a lot of different products they combine hoping it will add upp in the end, many new experimental peptides etc. Then they have the Therapeutic Use Exemptions put to use, which means you can use certain asthma medications, hormones like T3 and cortisones and so on.
None of these are as effective as EPO for example but like I said they are hoping everything combined will add up. These guys are even inspected for track marks so it's not easy to dope, even use of saline drips is problematic.

Cyclists are at the forefront of new doping techniques.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: BigRo on July 15, 2015, 01:26:42 PM
Do they have to get a blood test every day or is it just urine? I am weaker for a day or two after getting blood drawn.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2015, 01:37:58 PM
Do they have to get a blood test every day or is it just urine? I am weaker for a day or two after getting blood drawn.

I don't think everyone is tested every day, it's random, also targeted if there's suspicion (you don't even need to actually fail for any substance to be disciplined if there's abnormal fluctuation in values - some parameters predictably alter during a race for example). I seem to remember some cyclist complaining about the blood draw, but I don't know how much they actually draw, if there's really much real life performance impact?
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: smoothasf on July 15, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
They can get tested anytime during the working day so they usually micro dose in the evenings so it's gone by morning. They will also be out training in the hills so it's hard for the testers to get hold of them.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Teutonic Knight on July 15, 2015, 02:20:37 PM
On ' Tour de France' everyone get good money ..........& is mega sport event  8)




Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Parker on July 15, 2015, 02:27:16 PM
Africans in the Tour De France
 http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/07/15/423210514/theyre-the-first-black-africans-to-ride-in-the-tour-de-france (http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/07/15/423210514/theyre-the-first-black-africans-to-ride-in-the-tour-de-france)
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: viking1 on July 15, 2015, 05:27:43 PM
Froome is literally schooling the field and leaving them behind like a bunch of obese middle aged men.

Whats more startling is domestic helpers of Sky thrashing world wide leaders of other teams like Qintana in very tough stages.

This is very reminiscent of the US postal team where little guys helping Lance were destroying yellow jersey contenders at key stages....anyone familiar with the sport would know this is just fishy.



It's been amazing watching the usual top 10 riders getting popped on the climbs. Especially yesterday(after the rest day), they normally feel flat anyway, but damn, they were blowing up.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Teutonic Knight on July 15, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Africans in the Tour De France
 http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/07/15/423210514/theyre-the-first-black-africans-to-ride-in-the-tour-de-france (http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/07/15/423210514/theyre-the-first-black-africans-to-ride-in-the-tour-de-france)



"Great achievement", after 300 years of trying black man finally can ride bicycle                                                                                    :D
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Slapper on July 15, 2015, 06:50:03 PM
Froome missed a test in the spring while getting ready for the TdF. Even though he updated the whereabouts database religiously, and was fully aware that there was a possibility that the WADA folks would show up, he went to an exclusive hotel in Italy and told the receptionist to not allow anyone up to his room or to be contacted at all.

Since he, and Sky's PR machine, are going to great lengths to not name the hotel, there's a whole team of "disinterested" folks in Italy trying to find out where he stayed. Word on the street (WADA leak) is that he wasn't even in that hotel, and that his wife wasn't even with him during that fateful hour.

Tuesday's stage was such an outlandishly doped performance even Lance Armstrong called him out on it.

It's just a matter of time before he gets busted. I wouldn't be surprised if he retires in two or three years so that he doesn't attract more attention.

Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Slapper on July 15, 2015, 06:55:07 PM
Oh, and he appealed to get that missed test removed from his record, just like the one in 2010, but it was denied.

Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Slapper on July 15, 2015, 07:03:34 PM
For those who do not know what is going on, Chris Froome is someone who, to use bodybuilding as an example, after undergoing a massive transformation, went from placing 5th in the Beach Bodies Classic and 7th in the Sooner Classic Championship, to almost winning the Arnold Classic seven months later and winning the Olympia two years after that.

All the while alleging he is clean.
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Super Natural on July 16, 2015, 02:11:32 AM

Doping, made easy

 A French study has revealed a major loophole in the fight against doping. Under medical supervision, athletes were able to take minimal amounts of performance-enhancing substances - without testing positive.

How effective are worldwide doping tests? Hardly at all is the answer according to a French study. So -called "microdosing" is highly effective and hardly traceable.
 
In the study released by television channel France 2, eight endurance athletes were injected - under strict medical supervision - with autologous blood, EPO, growth hormones and corticosteroids in miniature amounts. The microdoses left no trace in the tests.
 
The increase in performance was enormous. One of the athletes ran 24 kilometers every day and improved on his personal best during the test period by ten minutes. During the 29 days of testing, the greatest improvement for the indoor 3,000 meters was an epic 31 seconds.

 
Fritz Sörgel: "An enormous performance increase"
 
Hardly any tests in the night
 
"This increase in performance is surprising," said Nuremberg pharmacologist and doping expert Fritz Sörgel. "Microdosing has an enormous effect, the extent of which wasn't clear before. You have to assume that it's done this way."
 
At most doping in microdoses is only traceable for a few hours. If forbidden substances are taken at night, then a doped athlete can almost be certain he won't be found out. Tests between 11pm and 6am are possible, but in practice, hardly ever occur.. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) only mandates testing during those hours if specially justified."
 
WADA granted permission for the controversial series of tests. It took 18 months for the team working on the study to collect all the relevant permissions. According to France 2, none of the athletes were "tested positive at any time" during the study.
 
Germany's National Anti-Doping Agency Germany (NADA) has proposed a more detailed study of the results, referring to "criminal energy" that is required for this style of doping because microdosing demands a "certain know-how" and "professional guidance."
 
With a curious sense of logic, NADA added: "This style of micro-dose doping shows that the test system is better at filtering - the higher the dosage, the greater the risk of being caught for the doper."
 
But for years, the number of doped athletes caught by NADA has been declining. In 2013, only three out of 8106 tested athletes were positive for doping. In response, NADA is now calling for a "reasonable" amount of nighttime tests.
 
Franke: Avoiding tests is "child's play"

 
How many modern sportsmen and women haven't had the needle?
 
The athletes who were tested in Paris stated that alongside the increased performance they also felt a greater sense of well-being.
 
"One athlete claimed that at five o'clock every morning he would sit up in bed in perfect condition," said Sörgel. "In that sense, the study also applies to the ordinary person's day - which is also problematic...We've got to say, Wake people up in the middle of the night!"
 
Werner Franke, a doping expert from Heidelberg, isn't surprised by the study.
 
"By using this method, you can evade positive tests," said Franke "It's child's play. I've said it for years."
 
Yet he does see a chance for the anti-doping campaign.
 
"People who dope using microdoses are effectively always under the influence of drugs at the night," said Franke. "One test annually in the middle of the night could be enough. As long as night-time tests are taboo, we're wasting our time."


http://www.dw.com/en/doping-made-easy/a-18431887
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: Skylge on July 16, 2015, 02:21:39 AM
As Jay Cutler once said: "I have the edge".....
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on July 16, 2015, 02:48:02 AM
What exactly do these take ? And aren't quite a few of them hopped up on coke ?
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: io856 on July 16, 2015, 06:03:30 AM
What exactly do these take ? And aren't quite a few of them hopped up on coke ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_Belge
Title: Re: Tour De France as clean as the IFBB
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on July 16, 2015, 06:48:05 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_Belge


Thanks, man.