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It seems to be the most difficult pose to be great at. I don't think its because of lack of effort for most pros.
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ok, this crap thread is telling me it's time to shut it down...
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Because the front biceps look more "angular" than the rear...
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IMHO, the FDB is much harder. The pecs disappear and the abs frequently look slack.
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Genetics, not knowing HOW to train back correctly and the lack of flexibility in the shoulders
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Great pics as always ND, but Dillett is a prime example of how not to strike a BDB.
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Great pics as always ND, but Dillett is a prime example of how not to strike a BDB.
Worst poser ever. Even Nasser could have given him lessons.
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i never understood why it is so hard for most of "bodybuilders" to keep the arms DOWN during a FDB and BDB? ::)
fucking hate it when they pull the arms up, looks retarded, makes your lats disappear and you look like a fookin gorilla
most guys probably dont even know how to flex the lats isolated...
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i never understood why it is so hard for most of "bodybuilders" to keep the arms DOWN during a FDB and BDB? ::)
fucking hate it when they pull the arms up, looks retarded, makes your lats disappear and you look like a fookin gorilla
most guys probably dont even know how to flex the lats isolated...
It starts with the position of the shoulders, they should be as low as possible.
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It's because humans have eyes in the front of their heads.
If they were in the back then people would have weak fronts
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It's because humans have eyes in the front of their heads.
If they were in the back then people would have weak fronts
There are plenty of good BDB examples, see pics above, Dillett excluded
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There are plenty of good BDB examples, see pics above, Dillett excluded
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No arguments I see..
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No arguments I see..
Me thinks he thinks you missed the irony of his original post.
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Me thinks he thinks you missed the irony of his original post.
I'm telling you, posing in thongs is serious business..
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I'm telling you, posing in thongs is serious business..
So hard to get people to acknowledge this though. Feels awfully lonely out there sometimes as a thong "aficionado".
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So hard to get people to acknowledge this though. Feels awfully lonely out there sometimes as a thong "aficionado".
Most men with the same interest prefer to hide behind a screen :D
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It seems to be the most difficult pose to be great at. I don't think its because of lack of effort for most pros.
Probably due to the fact your obese
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Genetics, not knowing HOW to train back correctly and the lack of flexibility in the shoulders
It seems that the guys who have a lot of back detail train back with a squeeze motion and perform pull ups correctly. Like they get a real good contraction of the scapula, and they also train the lower back well. Look at Flex, Shawn, Ronnie, Dorian and others from that era with good back detail. In today's era look at Phil and Kai train back, they even trained together at one time. A pull up or lay pull down mimics the Abadan pose, so doing a lot of those helps in the mind muscle connection as well.
Now, take a look at the back training of those who have terrible BDB poses and lack detail. Their training is telling a la Dillett, Nasser, and Jay Cutler.
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The way Strydom hits that pose it looks like he is TRYING to hide his lats
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People always post that pic of Strydom, but is he even hitting the pose yet? Seems like he is in transition still; no way did his back suck that bad.
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People always post that pic of Strydom, but is he even hitting the pose yet? Seems like he is in transition still; no way did his back suck that bad.
He and Bertil Fox were known for being two different bodybuilders---full from the front, and deflated from the back.
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i never understood why it is so hard for most of "bodybuilders" to keep the arms DOWN during a FDB and BDB? ::)
fucking hate it when they pull the arms up, looks retarded, makes your lats disappear and you look like a fookin gorilla
most guys probably dont even know how to flex the lats isolated...
the dumbest is when boxers do that stupid front double bicep. How retarded. No muscle at all to pull that off. I should punch them in the face to teach them a lesson. Yeah, think I'll do just that...
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People always post that pic of Strydom, but is he even hitting the pose yet? Seems like he is in transition still; no way did his back suck that bad.
You may have a point but it wouldn't matter if it were the case his back wasn;t going to magically get wider , thicker and more detailed
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Man Dillet was bad there. I think he had a weak chest and an awkward looking torso later on on top of his poor back. After '94 he was no longer a threat IMO.
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Man Dillet was bad there. I think he had a weak chest and an awkward looking torso later on on top of his poor back. After '94 he was no longer a threat IMO.
He did well at the 97 Arnold. I think it was him that told Flex about Chad.
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Probably due to the fact your obese
1. I'm not obese
2. I said pros
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He did well at the 97 Arnold. I think it was him that told Flex about Chad.
I saw someone post in the random pics thread that Dillet should have won the '96 Arnold.
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Man Dillet was bad there. I think he had a weak chest and an awkward looking torso later on on top of his poor back. After '94 he was no longer a threat IMO.
It's ironic you say that about his chest , Nasser criticized him and said something to the effect that people mistake his varicose veins on his chest as " development "
He had obscenely huge delts and arms but his back wasn't on par with his other parts , it literally disappeared in the back double biceps pose and it's not because he couldn't ' pose it ' correctly.
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It seems that the guys who have a lot of back detail train back with a squeeze motion and perform pull ups correctly. Like they get a real good contraction of the scapula, and they also train the lower back well. Look at Flex, Shawn, Ronnie, Dorian and others from that era with good back detail. In today's era look at Phil and Kai train back, they even trained together at one time. A pull up or lay pull down mimics the Abadan pose, so doing a lot of those helps in the mind muscle connection as well.
Now, take a look at the back training of those who have terrible BDB poses and lack detail. Their training is telling a la Dillett, Nasser, and Jay Cutler.
I wouldn't lump Jay in with Dillett and Nasser , I wouldn't lump them in with Yates & Ronnie in terms of back either , but his was better than Paul's & Nassers.
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It's ironic you say that about his chest , Nasser criticized him and said something to the effect that people mistake his varicose veins on his chest as " development "
He had obscenely huge delts and arms but his back wasn't on par with his other parts , it literally disappeared in the back double biceps pose and it's not because he couldn't ' pose it ' correctly.
There is a vid of him doing lat pull downs. He was just literally pulling the stack down with no contraction...and it was light weight I believe.
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Dillet is just one of those people with little body awareness. Look at his posing routines. Just akward looking..
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;D ;D ;D
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dorian yates had one of if not best rear latspread/front latspread,his rear double bi was so/so,arms/delts not same flow as those great lats/back..Ronnie had great rear db pose..Arnold was good too..
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It's ironic you say that about his chest , Nasser criticized him and said something to the effect that people mistake his varicose veins on his chest as " development "
He had obscenely huge delts and arms but his back wasn't on par with his other parts , it literally disappeared in the back double biceps pose and it's not because he couldn't ' pose it ' correctly.
This picture displays a lot of what I was talking about.
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dorian yates had one of if not best rear latspread/front latspread,his rear double bi was so/so,arms/delts not same flow as those great lats/back..Ronnie had great rear db pose..Arnold was good too..
Hersey. One of the best back double biceps shots in the history of the sport!! One of the most complete too. complete head-to-toe , the only one whose this complete in this shot is Phil Heath , Ronnie comes close , Arnold above Dorian in this pose? ::)
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Hersey. One of the best back double biceps shots in the history of the sport!! One of the most complete too. complete head-to-toe , the only one whose this complete in this shot is Phil Heath , Ronnie comes close , Arnold above Dorian in this pose? ::)
I like his lat spreads better,,,its the flow ,,b/w shots are awesome,,he's huge no doubt .i'm saying Arnold had a nice rear db not comparing one to another.
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good shots ,,,yates changed as he got bigger ,but it looked good lighter weight 'balanced'
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I like his lat spreads better,,,its the flow ,,b/w shots are awesome,,he's huge no doubt .i'm saying Arnold had a nice rear db not comparing one to another.
I see ;D
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1. I'm not obese
2. I said pros
According to the BMI tables, I *am* obese.
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I see ;D
THANKS GOOD PICS...
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Paul's BDB was just straight up bad, but when he actually posed properly it looked decent.
1993 Ironman Pro
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Best BDB right here!!!
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I've often heard, " Back double bicep? Coleman Wishbone, Wishbone Coleman- take your pick."
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Best BDB right here!!!
I agree, would put Flex right after him.
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Sorry Ronnie , Sorry Flex , Arnold says you need calves to complete the ensemble. ;D
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Sorry Ronnie , Sorry Flex , Arnold says you need calves to complete the ensemble. ;D
Shows are won by the back, not the calves
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Shows are won by the back, not the calves
That depends on who you're competing with. If all things are equal and one guy has calves and the other doesn't guess who's going to win?
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That depends on who you're competing with. If all things are equal and one guy has calves and the other doesn't guess who's going to win?
That's true, but I can't remember a lineup where this scenario was the case.
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That's true, but I can't remember a lineup where this scenario was the case.
Good point but calves complete the pose. Can't have the best back double biceps pose if you're missing calves same with any pose.
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Good point but calves complete the pose. Can't have the best back double biceps pose if you're missing calves same with any pose.
It hurts the image, but I believe that Dexter Jackson has one of the best physiques ever.
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Best BDB right here!!!
nope, 3rd place actually
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FTq6Osx7WF4/UOnr44e6B5I/AAAAAAAABMo/BOs02adIQJg/s640/kai+greene+mr+olympia.jpg)
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nope, 3rd place actually
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FTq6Osx7WF4/UOnr44e6B5I/AAAAAAAABMo/BOs02adIQJg/s640/kai+greene+mr+olympia.jpg)
how do you feel about dennis wolf's bdb?
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1PV0RmD-L5E/Ukqto-8f-PI/AAAAAAAAPe4/HF3GESeBCFI/s1600/Phil+Heath+,+Dennis+Wolf+and+Kai+Green+Finals+Comparision+Mr.+Olympia+2013+(3).jpg)
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Honorable mention
(http://www.freynutrition.info/bilder/arnold-classic-2014/arnold-classic-2014-mcmillan-4.jpg)
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Phil's is complete but fuck me he's getting dwarfed lol he looks like 6lbs of sugar stuffed in a 5lb bag
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They've ridden the sport from any calf standard just as waist lines are not important either.
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Phil's is complete but fuck me he's getting dwarfed lol he looks like 6lbs of sugar stuffed in a 5lb bag
Phil leans backwards too much. Why he does it, is anybody's guess. It makes him look shorter
nope, 3rd place actually
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FTq6Osx7WF4/UOnr44e6B5I/AAAAAAAABMo/BOs02adIQJg/s640/kai+greene+mr+olympia.jpg)
Meh
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Honorable mention
(http://www.freynutrition.info/bilder/arnold-classic-2014/arnold-classic-2014-mcmillan-4.jpg)
beautiful
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We already talked about Dillett shortcomings countless times... He had a back, great insertions and phenomenal lats, just couldn't train it and pose it properly... Done after 1994? I wouldn't say that... Of course his peak was '93-'94, the ASC incident seemed to worsen his already poor mind-muscle connection and take away his motivation, in 1995 was already in-out of surgeries with no cartilage in his shoulders and doctors telling him to stop bodybuilding... But bounced back good in 1996, peaking at the Ironman and ASC, not at the Olympia and other shows unfortunately... In 1997 he had a decent ASC and a good Olympia, where he was 3rd before a less known but big controversy happened placing him 5th in the end, favoring Levrone and Ray who both complained and cried with Manion, if i remember correctly... Dillett talked shortly about this at the start of the 1998 BFTO, talking a bit of smack about both Levrone and Ray... In the end, i think that his decline really started in 1998, and declined fast...
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Honorable mention
(http://www.freynutrition.info/bilder/arnold-classic-2014/arnold-classic-2014-mcmillan-4.jpg)
The lighting at that show was really bad.
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Good point but calves complete the pose. Can't have the best back double biceps pose if you're missing calves same with any pose.
Your buddy Peter McGough actually thought the opposite at the 1997 Mr. Olympia where he thought Ronnie (who had shit calves) had the best BDB in the whole show which included Yates who has better calves than Ronnie ;D
Let's say for argument sake both backs are equal on both bodybuilders, a better pair of arms are more important than a better pair of calves. Just ask Dexter ;D
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Your buddy Peter McGough actually thought the opposite at the 1997 Mr. Olympia where he thought Ronnie (who had shit calves) had the best BDB in the whole show which included Yates who has better calves than Ronnie ;D
Let's say for argument sake both backs are equal on both bodybuilders, a better pair of arms are more important than a better pair of calves. Just ask Dexter ;D
He had a better back double biceps compared to a career worst Dorian with a torn bicep and a torn tricep lmao Wow-wee not really saying much , and the judges thought otherwise , Dorian 1st , Ronnie 9th ;)
And Dexter compared to who?
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Phil leans backwards too much. Why he does it, is anybody's guess. It makes him look shorter Meh
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/02/2-1.jpg)
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perhaps he is accentuating his v-shape by having his traps and shoulders closer to the viewer. If he stood straighter like Kai he would look less v-shaped than him and narrower.
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In answer to Wiggs` question,it`s because a good mind/muscle connection is hard to establish for most trainees when training back.
Just my 2 cc`s !! ;)
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I liked Shawn's. Not over the top huge, but solid all around development and detail:
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In answer to Wiggs` question,it`s because a good mind/muscle connection is hard to establish for most trainees when training back.
Just my 2 cc`s !! ;)
In general I see two problems, sloppy momentum-like movements and not squeezing the shoulder blades. It's not that hard to fix these as long as someone is willing to learn...
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I liked Shawn's. Not over the top huge, but solid all around development and detail:
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nope, 3rd place actually
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FTq6Osx7WF4/UOnr44e6B5I/AAAAAAAABMo/BOs02adIQJg/s640/kai+greene+mr+olympia.jpg)
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Munzer had even some veins on his back, you don't see that often..
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Going back a bit further, Beckles had some impressive back detail:
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beckles had a great BDB
often forgotten is Momo Benaziza
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In general I see two problems, sloppy momentum-like movements and not squeezing the shoulder blades. It's not that hard to fix these as long as someone is willing to learn...
I hear of that but have yet to understand it. I just pull with my lats and it works pretty good. Same with the "tuck your elbows in" bench remark. WTF are they talking about. Dumb it down, lower and push back up. Fuck....
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'02
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I hear of that but have yet to understand it. I just pull with my lats and it works pretty good. Same with the "tuck your elbows in" bench remark. WTF are they talking about. Dumb it down, lower and push back up. Fuck....
Different education & learning methods, it takes practise to master a row or pull.
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beckles had a great BDB
often forgotten is Momo Benaziza
Right
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Kovacs 96
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Kovacs 96
He peaked in 96
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That depends on who you're competing with. If all things are equal and one guy has calves and the other doesn't guess who's going to win?
All things are never equal. Ronnie's quads are as far ahead of dorians quads as dorians calves are to ronnies. He has calves, not that great though, dorian has great calves and mediocre quads. They lack sweep and separation, he purposely flexed his sartorius and highlight it to hide his avg quads. I also think dorians biceps where terrible compared to ronnies, where is the split? as you know it's two muscles (the biceps), I can even make out ronnies Brachioradialis quite clearly and some coracobrachialis (fuck sp) near his delt, none of this is present in dorian.
are spilt biceps better then huge calves? are striated triceps better? calves are like forearms, they need to be reasonable and be in proportion. I think dorians where clearly out of proportion, they appear as wide as his quads in some photos, they were almost too big.
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Flex and Dillett with enough oil in their rear delts to interest ISIS in invading.
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Flex and Dillett with enough oil in their rear delts to interest ISIS in invading.
Absolutely, and in Dillett's case a complete nonsense, just ruined even more his weak back poses, looking disproportional and smooth, just look at the difference between 1993 and 1997...
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Flex and Dillett with enough oil in their rear delts to interest ISIS in invading.
I always thought SEO was a relatively new thing. There are some guys where it is obvious (like that Halibaugh clown), but a lot of guys that get accused here of "oil", I just don't see it. Maybe I am just naive.
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I always thought SEO was a relatively new thing. There are some guys where it is obvious (like that Halibaugh clown), but a lot of guys that get accused here of "oil", I just don't see it. Maybe I am just naive.
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It's like diet, some just spill over.
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All things are never equal. Ronnie's quads are as far ahead of dorians quads as dorians calves are to ronnies. He has calves, not that great though, dorian has great calves and mediocre quads. They lack sweep and separation, he purposely flexed his sartorius and highlight it to hide his avg quads. I also think dorians biceps where terrible compared to ronnies, where is the split? as you know it's two muscles (the biceps), I can even make out ronnies Brachioradialis quite clearly and some coracobrachialis (fuck sp) near his delt, none of this is present in dorian.
are spilt biceps better then huge calves? are striated triceps better? calves are like forearms, they need to be reasonable and be in proportion. I think dorians where clearly out of proportion, they appear as wide as his quads in some photos, they were almost too big.
All things are never equal
Obviously not. Good job Cherry picking everything YOU think wins a pose while omitting everything that does win a pose. Good job pointing out Ronnie's quads because this shows how imbalanced his physique is. Overblown quads sitting on-top of pathetic calves and glutes so oversized they can be seen from the front. Ronnie's balance & proportion sucks , always has. And you can see the sartorius muscle in the back-double-biceps shot? Really? ::) Ronnie has some clear advantages over Dorian in this pose , however when you do what judges do and assess all of the criteria , muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , being complete from head-to-toe. Dorian beats Ronnie and just about anyone else in this pose and many others.
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Obviously not. Good job Cherry picking everything YOU think wins a pose while omitting everything that does win a pose. Good job pointing out Ronnie's quads because this shows how imbalanced his physique is. Overblown quads sitting on-top of pathetic calves and glutes so oversized they can be seen from the front. Ronnie's balance & proportion sucks , always has. And you can see the sartorius muscle in the back-double-biceps shot? Really? ::) Ronnie has some clear advantages over Dorian in this pose , however when you do what judges do and assess all of the criteria , muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , being complete from head-to-toe. Dorian beats Ronnie and just about anyone else in this pose and many others.
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LMAO
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You just don't see hair like that, anymore.
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It seems to be the most difficult pose to be great at. I don't think its because of lack of effort for most pros.
Just out of curiosity, shouldn't you kind of be more concerned about getting a real job?
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Just out of curiosity, shouldn't you kind of be more concerned about getting a real job?
shouldn't you kind of be more concerned about finding new muscle bears on craigslist?
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shouldn't you kind of be more concerned about finding new muscle bears on craigslist?
Intellect isn't your strong point.
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Obviously not. Good job Cherry picking everything YOU think wins a pose while omitting everything that does win a pose. Good job pointing out Ronnie's quads because this shows how imbalanced his physique is. Overblown quads sitting on-top of pathetic calves and glutes so oversized they can be seen from the front. Ronnie's balance & proportion sucks , always has. And you can see the sartorius muscle in the back-double-biceps shot? Really? ::) Ronnie has some clear advantages over Dorian in this pose , however when you do what judges do and assess all of the criteria , muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , being complete from head-to-toe. Dorian beats Ronnie and just about anyone else in this pose and many others.
I don't think his balance and proportion suck, quads are suppose to be quite a bit bigger then calves. I mentioned quads, obviously I am talking about your reference to "no calves", he has calves, just not good ones, just like dorians quads or biceps, he has them. You make it sound like he is missing a body part or some shit, obviously because it suits you. I didn't say anything about BDB and satorius, nice strawman, or is a comprehension issue.
Ronnie is more muscular and pleasing to look at, has a smaller structure so carries more muscle obviously. density? how can you see density? lol. Dryness? what criteria are you using to see these things, that is you are using it in an objective manner? is it veins? detail? separation? what are you looking at that you see in dorian that indicates he is denser and dryer?
So dorian having piss poor biceps is not the same as ronnie having piss poor calves? apparently ronnie is incomplete but dorian is complete. Dorian's quads are shit. His vastus intermedius is almost non-existent, his vastus lateralis is underdeveloped. Did you do anatomy before? why are his quads good? i see no separation, poor sweep and clear imbalance with the calves.
Ronnie has shitty abs, he isn't missing them however. So if his abs suck, but his quads are great he could still win the ab and thigh, as he did in the challenge round against DEXTER.
So you calf argument is clearly fucking overblown, which makes sense, since it's all you have.
I can literally see more muscle in ronnie then dorian. In the back double bi, his tri and bi seperation is poor also, his forearms are too big.
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nope, 3rd place actually
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Nobody ever says anything about Phil's calves?? how come when he flexes them nothing happens??? Look at the sharp defenition in Kai's in comparison...Phil's is just a blob...full of oil I suspect..
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I don't think his balance and proportion suck, quads are suppose to be quite a bit bigger then calves. I mentioned quads, obviously I am talking about your reference to "no calves", he has calves, just not good ones, just like dorians quads or biceps, he has them. You make it sound like he is missing a body part or some shit, obviously because it suits you. I didn't say anything about BDB and satorius, nice strawman, or is a comprehension issue.
Ronnie is more muscular and pleasing to look at, has a smaller structure so carries more muscle obviously. density? how can you see density? lol. Dryness? what criteria are you using to see these things, that is you are using it in an objective manner? is it veins? detail? separation? what are you looking at that you see in dorian that indicates he is denser and dryer?
So dorian having piss poor biceps is not the same as ronnie having piss poor calves? apparently ronnie is incomplete but dorian is complete. Dorian's quads are shit. His vastus intermedius is almost non-existent, his vastus lateralis is underdeveloped. Did you do anatomy before? why are his quads good? i see no separation, poor sweep and clear imbalance with the calves.
Ronnie has shitty abs, he isn't missing them however. So if his abs suck, but his quads are great he could still win the ab and thigh, as he did in the challenge round against DEXTER.
So you calf argument is clearly fucking overblown, which makes sense, since it's all you have.
I can literally see more muscle in ronnie then dorian. In the back double bi, his tri and bi seperation is poor also, his forearms are too big.
I don't think his balance and proportion suck, quads are suppose to be quite a bit bigger then calves. I mentioned quads, obviously I am talking about your reference to "no calves", he has calves, just not good ones, just like dorians quads or biceps, he has them. You make it sound like he is missing a body part or some shit, obviously because it suits you. I didn't say anything about BDB and satorius, nice strawman, or is a comprehension issue.
Of you course you don't it shows how much you know. He has NO calves that's not open for discussion ( see picture ) And genius we're talking about the back double biceps shot and you're the moron who brought up the " satorius " which can't be seen in this pose.
Ronnie is more muscular and pleasing to look at, has a smaller structure so carries more muscle obviously. density? how can you see density? lol. Dryness? what criteria are you using to see these things, that is you are using it in an objective manner? is it veins? detail? separation? what are you looking at that you see in dorian that indicates he is denser and dryer?
LMAO more ' pleasing to look at ' fuck off fan-boy and it's not open for discussion who is denser & drier. I would explain it to you but you're not worth the effort and you're to stupid to get it anyway
So dorian having piss poor biceps is not the same as ronnie having piss poor calves? apparently ronnie is incomplete but dorian is complete. Dorian's quads are shit. His vastus intermedius is almost non-existent, his vastus lateralis is underdeveloped. Did you do anatomy before? why are his quads good? i see no separation, poor sweep and clear imbalance with the calves
No , Dorian's biceps are in no way shape or form as much as a liability compared to having no calves , weak biceps can be hidden , shit calves can't , they can be seen from every angle in every pose. his " quads are shit " taking you seriously just ended. Thanks for playing we have some lovely parting gifts for you.......next
Ronnie has shitty abs, he isn't missing them however. So if his abs suck, but his quads are great he could still win the ab and thigh, as he did in the challenge round against DEXTER.
So you calf argument is clearly fucking overblown, which makes sense, since it's all you have.
I can literally see more muscle in ronnie then dorian. In the back double bi, his tri and bi seperation is poor also, his forearms are too big.
Yup none of what you typed has anything to do with the question at hand the back double biceps shot , this has been done ad nausem. I don't care to rehash it. You see what you want I have no desire to change that. They say ignorance is bliss so be happy with what you see ;)
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Nobody ever says anything about Phil's calves?? how come when he flexes them nothing happens??? Look at the sharp defenition in Kai's in comparison...Phil's is just a blob...full of oil I suspect..
Absolutely, arms and shoulders full of SEO too, but his calves looks like shit oilbags...
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Of you course you don't it shows how much you know. He has NO calves that's not open for discussion ( see picture ) And genius we're talking about the back double biceps shot and you're the moron who brought up the " satorius " which can't be seen in this pose.
LMAO more ' pleasing to look at ' fuck off fan-boy and it's not open for discussion who is denser & drier. I would explain it to you but you're not worth the effort and you're to stupid to get it anyway
You seem unable to grasp my point, ronnie had calves, his biceps and arms in that pose are as far ahead of dorians as dorians calves are to ronnie's, it's not debatable. I can barely make out his biceps, in the back DOUBLE BICEP, is the name just for fun? Thank you from sparing me the details on how you see density ::) lol. I did not bring up the satorius in the context of the BDB, keep reaching moron. Want me to get the quote or are you done? funny how I mentioned quads yet you seem fine with them despite not being in the same pose, odd, it's like your a moron.
No , Dorian's biceps are in no way shape or form as much as a liability compared to having no calves , weak biceps can be hidden , shit calves can't , they can be seen from every angle in every pose. his " quads are shit " taking you seriously just ended. Thanks for playing we have some lovely parting gifts for you.......next
I cannot see his biceps, have you done anatomy before? Where is the long head of his biceps? I can see ronnies clearly, he has a clear split, this is how a bicep should look optimally, just like a calf should have a medial and lateral head. Face it you follow morons in bodybuilding who think branch warren is worthy of a title with layers of back fat, but he IS DENSE! ::) . Are you aware of the definition of density? mass per volume, ronnie has more muscle and has a smaller volume of space (smaller structure) hence he should be denser. However, you need to weigh things and make measurements to determine that, you cannot see density accurately, that's retarded.
Yup none of what you typed has anything to do with the question at hand the back double biceps shot , this has been done ad nausem. I don't care to rehash it. You see what you want I have no desire to change that. They say ignorance is bliss so be happy with what you see ;)
it didn't and i didn't intend it to, you still can't seem to get that. You claimed he has no calves, show me dorians vastus intermedius? show me the long head of his bicep? You are a biased fan boy, logic has gone out the window. You claim to see hardness and density, after such a claim, one can dismiss you are a moron, you are using bb terms that make no fucking sense, at all. It's bodybuilding so morons are expected, fucking homo's using terms that have no fucking meaning. You can only ascertain things visually. To asses density do the judges estimate the volume of a muscle (would need to know bone density etc, as its invisible) based on weight, but isn't it visual, so it's visual weight huh?
You are using shit quality pictures with magic grain to show hardness, magic.