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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-i-could-win-if-i-ran-again_55b77afee4b0a13f9d1a113f
'President Barack Obama joked on Tuesday that he would win a third presidential term were he allowed to run.
Speaking about African rulers who stay in power for long periods of time, Obama joked about the limits on his own power.
"I actually think I'm a pretty good president. I think if I ran I could win," Obama said during remarks at an assembly of the African Union in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. "But I can't."'
I would vote for him again.
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That pesky Constitution again...
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Sure, it's easy. Just promise a bunch of other shit he'll never do. He's the lib who wasn't there.
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Sure, it's easy. Just promise a bunch of other shit he'll never do. He's the lib who wasn't there.
Actually he's accomplishing everything he said he would. You must be thinking of Boehner, who is spread eagle with his ankles next to his ears for Obama.
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Actually he's accomplishing everything he said he would. You must be thinking of Boehner, who is spread eagle with his ankles next to his ears for Obama.
Gonna have to +1 on this one.
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Actually he's accomplishing everything he said he would. You must be thinking of Boehner, who is spread eagle with his ankles next to his ears for Obama.
And the practical joking goes on.
Guantanamo. War in ME. Socialized medicine.
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And the practical joking goes on.
Guantanamo. War in ME. Socialized medicine.
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The Iran deal will be the US exit from Middle East affairs. Guatanamo will be shut down as the renewed relationship with Cuba unfolds, and Obamacare is not going away.
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Zero point zero. The disconnect between platform and performance is... total. It was like Invasion of the Candidate Snatchers.
Phew. Makes me glad I don't believe in the dog 'n pony show enough to vote or I might have been disappointed. Still, can't wait to see the next Clown 1 vs Clown 2 extravaganza.
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Zero point zero. The disconnect between platform and performance is... total. It was like Invasion of the Candidate Snatchers.
Phew. Makes me glad I don't believe in the dog 'n pony show enough to vote or I might have been disappointed. Still, can't wait to see the next Clown 1 vs Clown 2 extravaganza.
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Two paragraph post that says nothing.
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You wanted me to write something about fetching his slippers, didntcha?
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The Iran deal will be the US exit from Middle East affairs. Guatanamo will be shut down as the renewed relationship with Cuba unfolds, and Obamacare is not going away.
You're fucking high. The Iranians were in the streets screaming death to America while the "negotiations" were going on. Since then (and always) their ayatollah has been talking shit and threating Obama publicly. Another delusional leftist.
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You're fucking high. The Iranians were in the streets screaming death to America while the "negotiations" were going on. Since then (and always) their ayatollah has been talking shit and threating Obama publicly. Another delusional leftist.
And this is coming from someone who knows a lot about being high.
THE BEEF
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You're fucking high. The Iranians were in the streets screaming death to America while the "negotiations" were going on. Since then (and always) their ayatollah has been talking shit and threating Obama publicly. Another delusional leftist.
Now Joe, we all know you feel poorly about America moving beyond the "good old days". Unfortunately, the hetero white man has lost his grip on steering wheel, and it is now a Black Man who calls the shots. Then again Joe, you're not exactly 100% white yourself. Judging from your photos, at some point in the past, one of your female forebearers layed with a Black Man.
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Now Joe, we all know you feel poorly about America moving beyond the "good old days". Unfortunately, the hetero white man has lost his grip on steering wheel, and it is now a Black Man who calls the shots. Then again Joe, you're not exactly 100% white yourself. Judging from your photos, at some point in the past, one of your female forebearers layed with a Black Man.
Only the blind can't see that progressive liberals are systematically destroying the country. This is a fact. And I'm not letting today's repubs off the hook either. They're just as useless for letting this shit happen. Temporary fixes lead to long term disasters and debt. They've made the country weaker, they cater to the enemy "we need to show empathy to our enemies" - Killary Clinton
Judith, you hide. You're liberal coward. Go away.
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Only the blind can't see that progressive liberals are systematically destroying the country. This is a fact. And I'm not letting today's repubs off the hook either. They're just as useless for letting this shit happen. Temporary fixes lead to long term disasters and debt. They've made the country weaker, they cater to the enemy "we need to show empathy to our enemies" - Killary Clinton
Judith, you hide. You're liberal coward. Go away.
Coach, he's rustling your jimmies again. Don't rise to the bait.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-i-could-win-if-i-ran-again_55b77afee4b0a13f9d1a113f
'President Barack Obama joked on Tuesday that he would win a third presidential term were he allowed to run.
Speaking about African rulers who stay in power for long periods of time, Obama joked about the limits on his own power.
"I actually think I'm a pretty good president. I think if I ran I could win," Obama said during remarks at an assembly of the African Union in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. "But I can't."'
I would vote for him again.
so would I...he would destroy the Republican competition
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Sure, it's easy. Just promise a bunch of other shit he'll never do. He's the lib who wasn't there.
He's actually done everything he's promised he would do...except for closing Guantanomo..and the Republicans wouldn't let him do that
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You're fucking high. The Iranians were in the streets screaming death to America while the "negotiations" were going on. Since then (and always) their ayatollah has been talking shit and threating Obama publicly. Another delusional leftist.
what the big deal???..we hate them as well..so what?...your enemy doesn't suddenly become your friend when you negotiate with them
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The Iran deal will be the US exit from Middle East affairs. Guatanamo will be shut down as the renewed relationship with Cuba unfolds, and Obamacare is not going away.
You realize that its shutting down the camps, not shutting down the naval base right? I suspect not...
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:'(
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There has been a succession of great presidents in my lifetime:
(1) Ron F. Reagan told those fucking Reds to shit or get off the pot, we all know how that turned out.
(2) Bush 1 taught those 3rd-world camel-fuckers in the "Middle East" what happens when you poke the bear.
(3) Bill F. Clinton enough said
(4) Bush 2 see Bush 1
(5) Obama enough said
I see no reason to not expect this trend to continue into the next cycle, Hillary or Jeb either way America wins.
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:'(
make sure you list all of the top terrorists he killed with those strikes as well...and if the children he killed belonged to the terrorists then I don't have a problem with that...since they sure don't have a problem killing our sons and daughters
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Only the blind can't see that progressive liberals are systematically destroying the country. This is a fact. And I'm not letting today's repubs off the hook either. They're just as useless for letting this shit happen. Temporary fixes lead to long term disasters and debt. They've made the country weaker, they cater to the enemy "we need to show empathy to our enemies" - Killary Clinton
Judith, you hide. You're liberal coward. Go away.
Is that what you learned listening to Michael Savage today? Did you invest in gold while you were at it? Can you say "moron"?
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make sure you list all of the top terrorists he killed with those strikes as well...and if the children he killed belonged to the terrorists then I don't have a problem with that...since they sure son't have a problem killing our sons and daughters
Don't forget to vote, andre.....
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Don't forget to vote, andre.....
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if Obama were running again, believe me I wouldn't
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We are screwed one way or another. It doesn't matter who is in office, republican or democrat.
The only way things will get better is if politicians get their hands out of the pockets of big banks and major corporations. These are the people who really run this country. Politicians are just puppets for the mega wealthy in this country. Everyone has their hand in everyone elses pockets, and the average citizen just gets to stand idly by watch, and do nothing about it.
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A bold claim, to be sure, but when you look at the competition, he is probably right: he would win again.
Hispanics are not going to get the GOP vote now; every GLBT and GLBT friendly person in the country has his vote; every person concerned with reproductive rights will get his vote; every progressive concerned about the direction of the Supreme Court will get his vote. And most people who are better off today than they were 8 years ago would get his vote. Sure, those who want to go back to the "milk and honey" days of Bush/Cheney would vote for his opponent, but of one thing we can be certain: if Obama had a third term, he would not take the country into a totally unnecessary war, spending more than a trillion dollars, killing thousands of American soldiers and overloading the VA system with tens of thousands of wounded servicemen and women. Every sensible soldier who doesn't want his life thrown away needlessly would get his vote. ::)
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Every sensible soldier who doesn't want his life thrown away needlessly would get his vote. ::)
Last I checked, there hasn't been a draft for years. Sucks but sign up for the military, that's the risk you take.
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No doubt in my mind he would win again.
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You're fucking high. The Iranians were in the streets screaming death to America while the "negotiations" were going on. Since then (and always) their ayatollah has been talking shit and threating Obama publicly. Another delusional leftist.
why do you care what idiots on the street over there are screaming in the streets? You have getbiggers screaming on message board we should blow up their whole country. Just cause they have to go outside, as they don't have wifi in the potty like we do.
LOL
and "their leader is threatening obama"? Is that any different from walker saying he may declare war and drop bombs on them, dishonoring the deal, on day 1 of presidency?
shit man, dont be butthurt from their tough talk, cause they're not butthurt from ours.
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Last I checked, there hasn't been a draft for years. Sucks but sign up for the military, that's the risk you take.
Good thing I can't ever be drafted. Medical reasons. :D :D
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We are screwed one way or another. It doesn't matter who is in office, republican or democrat.
The only way things will get better is if politicians get their hands out of the pockets of big banks and major corporations. These are the people who really run this country. Politicians are just puppets for the mega wealthy in this country. Everyone has their hand in everyone elses pockets, and the average citizen just gets to stand idly by watch, and do nothing about it.
Fuck the Dems and the Repubs. There are two populists running. Bernie on the Left and Donald on the Right. Bernie is not a closet Walstreeter Corporatist owing his soul to lobbyists like most Dems. Donald is not a Country Club Republican Walstreeter Corporatist owing his soul to lobbyists like most Repubs. Wait..did I just repeat myself? Bernie wants a warm and fuzzy United Nations of America. Donald wants a humming business center where everyone capable is employed HERE inside our borders. Bernie will pee in his panties when face to face with Putin, The Ayatollah, or the like. Donald will make them pee in THEIR panties.
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Good thing I can't ever be drafted. Medical reasons. :D :D
Don't get me wrong, enlisted servicemen and women have balls that I don't. I was 18 on 9/11 and still hadnt started college, so I was prime demographic for the military. But a couple hours in that morning, I knew where things were heading.
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Killed bin laden got rid of Mubarak
Legal gay marriage and got rid of "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell"
Legal weed in some states
Cheaper medical care
Ended war in Iraq and almost out of Afghanistan
Helped U.S. Auto increase market share
reduced our debit in many ways
Etc.
Yes, I believe he would win again. But the point is mute, so it is not really worth talking about.
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Good thing I can't ever be drafted. Medical reasons. :D :D
What medical reasons?
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Actually he's accomplishing everything he said he would. You must be thinking of Boehner, who is spread eagle with his ankles next to his ears for Obama.
This is fucking awesome!!!...good job..laughed my ass off! ;D ;D
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And the practical joking goes on.
Guantanamo. War in ME. Socialized medicine.
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War in middle east, not his fault......Guantanomo... Republicans won't let him close it and other countrues won't repatriate their nationals...Socialized medicine....he said he would do that and people voted for him.....he did what his constituents wanted
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A bold claim, to be sure, but when you look at the competition, he is probably right: he would win again.
Hispanics are not going to get the GOP vote now; every GLBT and GLBT friendly person in the country has his vote; every person concerned with reproductive rights will get his vote; every progressive concerned about the direction of the Supreme Court will get his vote. And most people who are better off today than they were 8 years ago would get his vote. Sure, those who want to go back to the "milk and honey" days of Bush/Cheney would vote for his opponent, but of one thing we can be certain: if Obama had a third term, he would not take the country into a totally unnecessary war, spending more than a trillion dollars, killing thousands of American soldiers and overloading the VA system with tens of thousands of wounded servicemen and women. Every sensible soldier who doesn't want his life thrown away needlessly would get his vote. ::)
I buy this...agreed
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Good thing I can't ever be drafted. Medical reasons. :D :D
coward! ;D ;D
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Killed bin laden got rid of Mubarak
Legal gay marriage and got rid of "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell"
Legal weed in some states
Cheaper medical care
Ended war in Iraq and almost out of Afghanistan
Helped U.S. Auto increase market share
reduced our debit in many ways
Etc.
Yes, I believe he would win again. But the point is mute, so it is not really worth talking about.
I could add another 10 things he's done to your list easily...its amazing that people can't see it..................or don't want to
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I buy this...agreed
This trio killed the GOP for a generation!
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This trio killed the GOP for a generation!
I don't blame Bush but he has to take the hit...it was his people he listened to
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I don't blame Bush but he has to take the hit...it was his people he listened to
Bush was the moron puppet with the legacy ties. The 2000 election is still the biggest sham in US history yet it's never spoken about. The thousands of voting papers found in a Florida swamp showing democratic votes. You don't think Jeb bush pulled a few strings to help his broski out? Only in America you can lose the vote yet still win the presidency. The electoral college is just plain bullshit. If the majority votes for you then you should win.
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Killed bin laden got rid of Mubarak
Legal gay marriage and got rid of "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell"
Legal weed in some states
Cheaper medical care
Ended war in Iraq and almost out of Afghanistan
Helped U.S. Auto increase market share
reduced our debit in many ways
Etc.
Yes, I believe he would win again. But the point is mute, so it is not really worth talking about.
Oh boy, where to start!!
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Bush was the moron puppet with the legacy ties. The 2000 election is still the biggest sham in US history yet it's never spoken about. The thousands of voting papers found in a Florida swamp showing democratic votes. You don't think Jeb bush pulled a few strings to help his broski out? Only in America you can lose the vote yet still win the presidency. The electoral college is just plain bullshit. If the majority votes for you then you should win.
a lot of people do believe this...that Bush was simply a mouthpiece for other shadowy Republicans and that maybe even dick Cheney was the real power behind the throne.....
But I do believe that Jeb did pull some strings for his brother...but I would have too for my brother as well
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I'm just super excited for the investigation into the Bush war crimes that was promised in 2007!
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Oh boy, where to start!!
How about on another forum?
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How about on another forum?
:D
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How about on another forum?
no other forum would have him
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How about on another forum?
When was the last time you've contributed anything of substance to this site. Never seen you post anything training related. We just see you stalking me and hiding behind a keyboard and WYHI gay threads.
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if Obama had a third term, he would not take the country into a totally unnecessary war, spending more than a trillion dollars, killing thousands of American soldiers and overloading the VA system with tens of thousands of wounded servicemen and women. Every sensible soldier who doesn't want his life thrown away needlessly would get his vote. ::)
Interestingly, many members of the armed forces seem to rate Obama lower than Bush II (quite ironic given what the Bush Administration's wars of aggression have wrought for military members' lives this last decade and beyond).
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Interestingly, most soldiers seem to rate Obama lower than Bush (quite ironic given what the Bush Administration's wars of aggression have wrought for soldiers this last decade and beyond).
I think it's a macho sentiment really.
You're tough if you send other people off to fight wars or something.
I don't get it, but it's how the soldiers seem to feel.
Maybe it's just brainwashing by the republicans because republicans are tough and democrats are not... I don't get it myself, but that's what it is.
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I think it's a macho sentiment really.
You're tough if you send other people off to fight wars or something.
I don't get it, but it's how the soldiers seem to feel.
Maybe it's just brainwashing by the republicans because republicans are tough and democrats are not... I don't get it myself, but that's what it is.
Launch wars of aggression which probably permanently degrade the nation's standing, destabilize one of the most economically critical regions of the global economy, kill at least some of my friends, and give me PTSD = good president, I respect him
Cautiously use force to minimize loss of military personnel whilst still degrading terrorist capacity (viz., that of base Al Qaeda), having the balls to initiate the controversial but least-worst solution to the Iranian problem, and transfer much of the on-the-ground burden of waging the war on terror to local proxies who should be fighting their own wars anyway = weak piece of shit with credibility problem, get him out of office
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The Republican propaganda effort pertaining to foreign policy is most impressive indeed!
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Killed bin laden got rid of Mubarak
Legal gay marriage and got rid of "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell"
Legal weed in some states
Cheaper medical care
Ended war in Iraq and almost out of Afghanistan
Helped U.S. Auto increase market share
reduced our debit in many ways
Etc.
Yes, I believe he would win again. But the point is mute, so it is not really worth talking about.
It took us decades to get Bin Laden - the hunt didn't just start in '09, and the last I checked, Obama merely gave the OK when Navy Seals caught up to him.
My health insurance and that of everyone I know who talks about it has gone up dramatically. Maybe if you're on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale it might be lower. But remember that health insurance does not equal health care, and big govt intrusion into just about everything generally increases costs, fraud, waste, and abuse, while decreasing quality of care.
As for Iraq, they pulled out too early with no SOF. Everything was under control until 2011. And yes, Iraq was a mistake in the first place - particularly since we did not take the oil.
The GM debacle never should have happened the way it did. And everything done to "save the world" was done mainly by the Fed and the Dept of the Treasury, and mostly done before Obama ever got into office. The recession was just about over by early 2009. And no, Bush didn't cause it, and Obama didn't end it. ::)
When Obama took office, the national debt was $9-10 trillion. Interest rates have been at zero for 7 years, and our national debt is now nearly $19 trillion. So you're going to have to explain how the debt is now reduced? ???
No doubt many people would vote for him again if he figured out a way around the 22nd. Either because of his race, or because many people like big govt, like being told what to do, like more political correctness, like a weaker foreign policy in exchange for more free stuff, are into the whole "social justice" thing, like higher taxes and more regs, don't believe in free markets, believe wealth is bad and needs to be redistributed rather than accumulated, etc, etc.
We're fucked - people care more about free stuff and a president who is "cool" than actually solving our problems - too much govt, too much debt, too much spending and borrowing, weakening ourselves on the global stage, social justice and political correctness run amok, etc. And the Republican establishment are either in bed with them or too afraid to do anything to stop it.
We'll be Greece within 25 years at the rate we're going. Bush was bad mainly because of Iraq, whereas Obama is even worse because of the MANY things his admin has done and not done.
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When was the last time you've contributed anything of substance to this site. Never seen you post anything training related. We just see you stalking me and hiding behind a keyboard and WYHI gay threads.
meltdown. Chill out short stuff.
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Do you really think allowing Iran to have nukes and hundreds of billions of US aid is a good idea? Do you really think they're honest people who will do what they say, and that they won't perhaps turn against us and our allies with the nukes at some point? Why weren't the hostages released?
And it's really funny to read opinions of how soldiers should think and act coming from those who obviously never served in the military. Marine snipers, Navy Seals, Army rangers, infantry people in general, etc are not peace loving hippies who want to make friends with their enemies and "negotiate" deals they know their enemies won't abide by. They are killers - the kinds of people who run TOWARDS gun fire in an effort to stop it, while most people are hiding under desks. Rather than try to analyze their thought processes or change them, to paraphrase Col Jessup, it's probably better to just be grateful and move along. ;D
Launch wars of aggression which probably permanently degrade the nation's standing, destabilize one of the most economically critical regions of the global economy, kill at least some of my friends, and give me PTSD = good president, I respect him
Cautiously use force to minimize loss of military personnel whilst still degrading terrorist capacity (viz., that of base Al Qaeda), having the balls to initiate the controversial but least-worst solution to the Iranian problem, and transfer much of the on-the-ground burden of waging the war on terror to local proxies who should be fighting their own wars anyway = weak piece of shit with credibility problem, get him out of office
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The Republican propaganda effort pertaining to foreign policy is most impressive indeed!
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Do you really think allowing Iran to have nukes and hundreds of billions of US aid is a good idea? Do you really think they're honest people who will do what they say, and that they won't perhaps turn against us and our allies with the nukes at some point? Why weren't the hostages released?
And it's really funny to read opinions of how soldiers should think and act coming from those who obviously never served in the military. Marine snipers, Navy Seals, Army rangers, infantry people in general, etc are not peace loving hippies who want to make friends with their enemies and "negotiate" deals they know their enemies won't abide by. They are killers - the kinds of people who run TOWARDS gun fire in an effort to stop it, while most people are hiding under desks. Rather than try to analyze their thought processes or change them, to paraphrase Col Jessup, it's probably better to just be grateful and move along. ;D
^^Good post.
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Launch wars of aggression which probably permanently degrade the nation's standing, destabilize one of the most economically critical regions of the global economy, kill at least some of my friends, and give me PTSD = good president, I respect him
Cautiously use force to minimize loss of military personnel whilst still degrading terrorist capacity (viz., that of base Al Qaeda), having the balls to initiate the controversial but least-worst solution to the Iranian problem, and transfer much of the on-the-ground burden of waging the war on terror to local proxies who should be fighting their own wars anyway = weak piece of shit with credibility problem, get him out of office
???
The Republican propaganda effort pertaining to foreign policy is most impressive indeed!
This post is absolute genius!....good job.....its unfortunate that people can't see through all the bullshit like you do
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^^Good post.
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This post is absolute genius!....good job.....its unfortunate that people can't see through all the bullshit like you do
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Wow, that was a cake-walk...
I now see why it's so easy for your kind to spout this kind of rhetoric.
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Wow, that was easy...
I now see why it's so easy for your kind to spout this rhetoric.
"rhetoric" in your mind actually means "truth"..thats why you're so resistant to it
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Wow, that was a cake-walk...
I now see why it's so easy for your kind to spout this kind of rhetoric.
I'm actually worried when a university psych instructor like Andre - who believes presidents are personally responsible and in control of economic cycles, the prices of commodities such as a barrel of oil, and the stock prices of every company in the Dow, Russel, S&P, NASDAQ, etc... - DOESN'T disagree with me.
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"rhetoric" in your mind actually means "truth"..thats why you're so resistant to it
Excellent retort.
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I'm actually worried when a university psych instructor like Andre - who believes presidents are personally responsible and in control of economic cycles, the prices of commodities such as a barrel of oil, and the stock prices of every company in the Dow, Russel, S&P, NASDAQ, etc... - DOESN'T disagree with me.
;D
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Excellent retort.
why waste words?....you wouldn't get it anyway ;)
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why waste words?....you wouldn't get it anyway ;)
Deflect much?
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You and 240 should go bowling. :D
I like you anyway, Andre. You're a good dude!
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I'm actually worried when a university psych instructor like Andre - who believes presidents are personally responsible and in control of economic cycles, the prices of commodities such as a barrel of oil, and the stock prices of every company in the Dow, Russel, S&P, NASDAQ, etc... - DOESN'T disagree with me.
Actually I DONT believe that at all....I've always felt that way and made that point..HOWEVER.....conse rvatives loved to blame Obama for high gas prices, the economy being bad, etc.....so when it turned around all I said was that he should get the credit as well for low gas prices, a soaring wall st, a good economy, etc...
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You and 240 should go bowling. :D
I like you anyway, Andre. You're a good dude!
HA!..nothing against you either! :D..it only Getbig!
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HA!..nothing against you either! :D..it only Getbig!
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Actually I DONT believe that at all....I've always felt that way and made that point..HOWEVER.....conse rvatives loved to blame Obama for high gas prices, the economy being bad, etc.....so when it turned around all I said was that he should get the credit as well for low gas prices, a soaring wall st, a good economy, etc...
I've never said any such thing. Taxes and regulations can stifle growth, of course.
You and others have often given him credit for the stock market rise, supposedly ending the recession that Bush supposedly caused, killing Bin Laden (as if the intel didn't start until he got into office), the sudden dip in the price of a barrel of oil that had previously been going up over the prior 5+ years into his presidency, etc.
What most of you don't realize is that Obama actually became president at a very good time - most of you think he came in at a bad time. The worst was quickly over not long after he took office. And you need to give people like Paulson and Bernanke credit for these things. Obama is not in any way an economic genius, and he is in fact quite anti-capitalist at his core.
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I've never said any such thing. Taxes and regulations can stifle growth, of course.
You and others have often given him credit for the stock market rise, supposedly ending the recession that Bush supposedly caused, killing Bin Laden (as if the intel didn't start until he got into office), the sudden dip in the price of a barrel of oil that had previously been going up over the prior 5+ years into his presidency, etc.
What most of you don't realize is that Obama actually became president at a very good time - most of you think he came in at a bad time. The worst was quickly over not long after he took office. And you need to give people like Paulson and Bernanke credit for these things. Obama is not in any way an economic genius, and he is in fact quite anti-capitalist at his core.
you can try and rationalize it any way you want....BUT..the fact is, the person who is in power at the time gets the credit or blame for what occurs.....The president is not expected to be a financial or economic genius..BUT..he is expected to pick the best people who ARE...which he obviously did so he DOES get credit for what occurs concerning the economy.....Bin Laden was killed on his watch as well...maybe another president would have felt it too risky or would be afraid of failure reflecting poorly on him, so he may not have given the green light like Obama did....so...HE GETS CREDIT FOR THAT AS WELL
There are other things as well but you get my point
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And it's really funny to read opinions of how soldiers should think and act coming from those who obviously never served in the military. Marine snipers, Navy Seals, Army rangers, infantry people in general, etc are not peace loving hippies who want to make friends with their enemies and "negotiate" deals they know their enemies won't abide by. They are killers - the kinds of people who run TOWARDS gun fire in an effort to stop it, while most people are hiding under desks. Rather than try to analyze their thought processes or change them, to paraphrase Col Jessup, it's probably better to just be grateful and move along. ;D
How would you know whether you were speaking to the real deal or not? Why can't military members have views critical of their own? Why should citizens simply be 'grateful' without critical inquiry into the nature of the military and the consequences of its actions abroad?
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Under Obamas watch he lost the House and the Senate. It was two of the biggest losses in over a 100 years, thanks to his policies. They were voted in to stop him.
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Under Obamas watch he lost the House and the Senate. It was two of the biggest losses in over a 100 years, thanks to his policies. They were voted in to stop him.
Yet he won the Presidential election again.
I'm not saying he's a great President... Really, I don't think you're ever going to see another "great" President, but he would probably win again if he could run again.
This is from someone who never voted for the guy.
Do you really think allowing Iran to have nukes and hundreds of billions of US aid is a good idea? Do you really think they're honest people who will do what they say, and that they won't perhaps turn against us and our allies with the nukes at some point? Why weren't the hostages released?
And it's really funny to read opinions of how soldiers should think and act coming from those who obviously never served in the military. Marine snipers, Navy Seals, Army rangers, infantry people in general, etc are not peace loving hippies who want to make friends with their enemies and "negotiate" deals they know their enemies won't abide by. They are killers - the kinds of people who run TOWARDS gun fire in an effort to stop it, while most people are hiding under desks. Rather than try to analyze their thought processes or change them, to paraphrase Col Jessup, it's probably better to just be grateful and move along. ;D
Well let me ask you then.
What do you think SHOULD be done in regards to Iran?
Another ground war? You think that's the answer?
I ask genuinely because I don't know if another 10 year war to "break even" would work very well for the US economically.
So what is the answer to Iran?
Do we not only have 3 options?
1. We keep doing what we are doing... sanctions and what not. Iran most likely gets a nuke and we have no eyes on it.
2. We fight a war to keep it from happening. 10 years again? Economic struggle?
3. We try to keep eyes on them along with the rest of the world and at least work on watching them to keep them from getting said nuke.
Now if there's a 4th or 5th option, I'd be interested in hearing it, because I don't know I see any myself.
Am I missing something?
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Under Obamas watch he lost the House and the Senate. It was two of the biggest losses in over a 100 years, thanks to his policies. They were voted in to stop him.
obama had Boehnne standing with him to sell that 1.6 trillion dollar monstrosity budget to completely undercut any power the new senate had. Obama also has John Roberts pushing obamacare and gay marriage thru. Then he just pushed amnesty on his own with exec order, and repubs lined up to say "me too!"
IMO, obama lets the repubs have the parades for owning house and senate... and continues to do whatever the fck he wants. I agree with you that repubs were elected to stop him. But they aren't, they won't, and they aren't going to do it.
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Yet he won the Presidential election again.
I'm not saying he's a great President... Really, I don't think you're ever going to see another "great" President, but he would probably win again if he could run again.
This is from someone who never voted for the guy.
Well let me ask you then.
What do you think SHOULD be done in regards to Iran?
Another ground war? You think that's the answer?
I ask genuinely because I don't know if another 10 year war to "break even" would work very well for the US economically.
So what is the answer to Iran?
Do we not only have 3 options?
1. We keep doing what we are doing... sanctions and what not. Iran most likely gets a nuke and we have no eyes on it.
2. We fight a war to keep it from happening. 10 years again? Economic struggle?
3. We try to keep eyes on them along with the rest of the world and at least work on watching them to keep them from getting said nuke.
Now if there's a 4th or 5th option, I'd be interested in hearing it, because I don't know I see any myself.
Am I missing something?
excellent post.....I don't want to go to ewar AGAIN and be bogged down for 10 more years with snipers killing our guys (and girls) and us spending 2 TRILLION MORE for an outcome of God knows what........Iran is going to get the nuke anyway if they want....you cannot stop a country from getting a nuke short of war un;ess you negotiate........its worth a try..if not, then let the Israelis do something about it..not us.....
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you can try and rationalize it any way you want....BUT..the fact is, the person who is in power at the time gets the credit or blame for what occurs.....The president is not expected to be a financial or economic genius..BUT..he is expected to pick the best people who ARE...which he obviously did so he DOES get credit for what occurs concerning the economy.....Bin Laden was killed on his watch as well...maybe another president would have felt it too risky or would be afraid of failure reflecting poorly on him, so he may not have given the green light like Obama did....so...HE GETS CREDIT FOR THAT AS WELL
There are other things as well but you get my point
Not rationalizing. Virtually all of the heroics by Paulson, Bernanke, and co were put in place before Obama ever took office. What exactly did Obama's people do after he came into office that saved the world?
What other things? Please be specific.
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How would you know whether you were speaking to the real deal or not? Why can't military members have views critical of their own? Why should citizens simply be 'grateful' without critical inquiry into the nature of the military and the consequences of its actions abroad?
If you're saying you're a veteran, I'll take your word for it. But you certainly don't sound like one IMO. Of course criticism is your right as an American citizen. But the thousands of military and former military people in general I've served with, interacted with, and listened to over the years respect the need for a strong military as a deterrent to the aggression of savages like Putin, and these idiots in N Korea and most ME countries.
And it should be common sense that those in many other cultures are primitive savages who do not share our morals and beliefs, and for whom agreements mean nothing - they will lie to your face, and only respect strength.
And no, I'm not claiming to have been any kind of special forces badass or killer or anything myself - I served several years a couple of decades ago, and my job mostly consisted of sitting in front of a computer.
Our country was not built upon a weak national defense / foreign policy, and using two thirds of its money towards entitlements. Until recent times, the federal govt's main jobs were to protect the citizens from legit harm and fraud, and protect our interests abroad - not to beat the hell out of half the population so that the other half could live middle class lifestyles from cradle to grave without contributing anything.
Obama didn't start it, but he certainly pushed it over the line. And the next Dem or even RINO president will probably push us past the point of no return. I'll probably just have to join the growing numbers of more and more of us old fossils who aren't comfortable with the "fundamental transformation of America", and take my skills, assets, and future tax dollars elsewhere.
The fact that so many of you would willingly vote for a third term for a president if he was to find a way around the 22nd Amendment is scary in and of itself. No one should be emperor.
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excellent post.....I don't want to go to ewar AGAIN and be bogged down for 10 more years with snipers killing our guys (and girls) and us spending 2 TRILLION MORE for an outcome of God knows what........Iran is going to get the nuke anyway if they want....you cannot stop a country from getting a nuke short of war un;ess you negotiate........its worth a try..if not, then let the Israelis do something about it..not us.....
I agree with you about Iran getting the nukes, but I'm not so confident that sitting back and letting Israel take care of things is the best answer.
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I agree with you about Iran getting the nukes, but I'm not so confident that sitting back and letting Israel take care of things is the best answer.
Not just Israel...the other Arab states need to get off their ass as well...they have the wealth and resources and are the most directly threatened..they just want to wait for the U.S. to do the heavy lifting