Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Nether Animal on August 09, 2015, 08:10:00 PM
-
Two of the greatest physiques ever... should Rory have beaten Bob?
-
Two of the greatest physiques ever... should Rory have beaten Bob?
Both awesome physiques. Rory use to do Bobs prep when he was coming up. Bob had little trouble nailing his conditioning but if Rory could have he would have been unstoppable. Rory was one of the first bodybuilders to break the 300lb offseason mark. Bob would stay relatively close to his competition weight. It would have been interesting to see what Rory could have done if he could have nailed his conditioning.
-
Rory looked a little rusty there.
-
Rory looked a little rusty there.
This is what is so crazy about bodybuilding. Look at those pictures, the difference is pretty much just water and maybe just a little bit of fat. Either could have looked significantly better or worse give or take 12 hours.
A significant change in bodybuilding history could have occured had Rory won that instead of Paris. Rory would have been competing with Haney. Same goes for Mendenhall.
-
This is what is so crazy about bodybuilding. Look at those pictures, the difference is pretty much just water and maybe just a little bit of fat. Either could have looked significantly better or worse give or take 12 hours.
A significant change in bodybuilding history could have occured had Rory won that instead of Paris. Rory would have been competing with Haney. Same goes for Mendenhall.
That's a great observation. I never thought of it like that.
-
Legendary photograph. Rory is a taller, better looking, white Sergio Oliva. Unsurpassed. Paris is much smaller but he's better. That makes no sense, but it makes perfect sense.
-
Legendary photograph. Rory is a taller, better looking, white Sergio Oliva. Unsurpassed. Paris is much smaller but he's better. That makes no sense, but it makes perfect sense.
I agree, even considering this is just a still photo. But it wouldn't have been outrageous to see it go the other way. I also think that maybe the judges were not just looking at Rory on that day but also looking at what he could have been with just a bit more leanness. I think competitors sometimes get marked down deliberately or not if the conditioning looks like it could use a little more work even if objectively they are pretty close to the guy that places ahead of them.
-
BTW, Gaspari 5th, Mendenhall 4th and Mike Christian 3rd. What a lineup.
-
BTW, Gaspari 5th, Mendenhall 4th and Mike Christian 3rd. What a lineup.
And a two decades later, bodybuilding as we knew it was dead
-
I agree, even considering this is just a still photo. But it wouldn't have been outrageous to see it go the other way. I also think that maybe the judges were not just looking at Rory on that day but also looking at what he could have been with just a bit more leanness. I think competitors sometimes get marked down deliberately or not if the conditioning looks like it could use a little more work even if objectively they are pretty close to the guy that places ahead of them.
Valid points.
Watched Rory prep for that show when he was 12-13 weeks out. Crazy. His traps, delts, arms and pec thickness was only matched by 275 pound world class power lifters. His legs were almost as bad. Just crazy.
-
Legendary photograph. Rory is a taller, better looking, white Sergio Oliva. Unsurpassed. Paris is much smaller but he's better. That makes no sense, but it makes perfect sense.
Has there ever been before or since two better proportioned and symetrical bodybuilders onstage at the same time.
-
I miss real bodybuilding. :'(
-
Those guys on stage look incredible.
It sure has gone down the shitter... The MPD guys are getting bigger but try watching that??? You can't.
-
BTW, Gaspari 5th, Mendenhall 4th and Mike Christian 3rd. What a lineup.
Wow yes What a lineup.
Rory for the Win That Day.
Sadly it was not meant to be.
-
If bodybuilders looked like this today, I really believe it would be far more accepted.
Drugged up genetic freaks, but in modern "bodybuilding" they would be unknowns.
-
Thats the screencap i took from the dvd of the 83 nationals, i first posted it on ironage about 10 years ago,and still to this day is an absolute classic shot.I`ve a question for coach (joe),how come after Rory won the light heavies in 81,he didn`t do the nationals in 82,in my opinion he would have easily beat Haney in the heavies in 82,at that point Haney had very poor arms.Whay did he take that year off and wait till 83 to compete again.
-
Thats the screencap i took from the dvd of the 83 nationals, i first posted it on ironage about 10 years ago,and still to this day is an absolute classic shot.I`ve a question for coach (joe),how come after Rory won the light heavies in 81,he didn`t do the nationals in 82,in my opinion he would have easily beat Haney in the heavies in 82,at that point Haney had very poor arms.Whay did he take that year off and wait till 83 to compete again.
how did these guys ever manage to make the weight and still look so huge, under 200lb at 6ft+ amazing
-
I think in 81 he over dieted and ended up in that class,he would have beat Dreher had he entered the heavyweight class.This is how he looked at under 90kg.
-
Rory is harder but Bob is tighter....
-
What is interesting to me about Rory in the comparison pic to Paris is just how lean Rory's face is.
I know he has that facial structure, but his face is already dried out.
I am under 40, but still remember looking at my older brother's magazines and realizing the differences in each competitor's physique.
Now, they sadly all look very similar.
It is almost as if judging is done by who is not the worst.
-
Thats the screencap i took from the dvd of the 83 nationals, i first posted it on ironage about 10 years ago,and still to this day is an absolute classic shot.I`ve a question for coach (joe),how come after Rory won the light heavies in 81,he didn`t do the nationals in 82,in my opinion he would have easily beat Haney in the heavies in 82,at that point Haney had very poor arms.Whay did he take that year off and wait till 83 to compete again.
He never won the Nationals. That year the lt.Heavies and overall were won by Tim Belknap. Rory should have gone in the heavies. If I remember right, he was under the guidance of Jeff Feliciano who had him on a severe diet, amphetamines to make his weight, Also, if I recall he was told to not even train the last two weeks. He would come into this just dragging ass and couldn't even think.
-
The IFBB would have been a hell of a lot better with Rory and Mendenhall on stage. I went to the 85 Nationals in Miami hoping to see those 2 fight it out in the heavies. That never materialized.
-
Think of what could have been: Rory, Mendenhall and Jeff King.
I am being dead serious here, and am saying this with all due respect to Lee Haney (who I believe is Totalee awesome), I don't know if Haney would have won a single Sandow had this trio been able to compete on the same stage.
I think Jeff King would have been very difficult to beat, as he appeared from photos (totally different from seeing it live) to be able to dial it all in. Rory and Mendenhall were troubled in this department.
-
Think of what could have been: Rory, Mendenhall and Jeff King.
I am being dead serious here, and am saying this with all due respect to Lee Haney (who I believe is Totalee awesome), I don't know if Haney would have won a single Sandow had this trio been able to compete on the same stage.
I think Jeff King would have been very difficult to beat, as he appeared from photos (totally different from seeing it live) to be able to dial it all in. Rory and Mendenhall were troubled in this department.
Yup, add Jeff King.
-
Rory is harder but Bob is tighter....
That sounded very gay
Bob has better shoulder width
-
I think in 81 he over dieted and ended up in that class,he would have beat Dreher had he entered the heavyweight class.This is how he looked at under 90kg.
I weighed in at 90k when i competed back in 96 and I am about 4 inches shorter than him , I looked tiny compared to that.
-
Has there ever been before or since two better proportioned and symetrical bodybuilders onstage at the same time.
This. Arguably the best ever, side by side.
-
how did these guys ever manage to make the weight and still look so huge, under 200lb at 6ft+ amazing
Always thought the same thing. Crazy how guys at 180lbs back then looked absolutely monstrous, etc.
-
Rory is my favorite because he proves that taller guys with narrower build (like me 6'3'') can look awesome, and we both have the same birthday (March 18).
-
Rory didnt have a back, looks great standing there, loses the contestin the front double bi pose
-
Why didn`t Rory compete for the 82 nationals though,he would have been the pre contest favourite.
-
Always thought the same thing. Crazy how guys at 180lbs back then looked absolutely monstrous, etc.
176lbs
-
If bodybuilders looked like this today, I really believe it would be far more accepted.
Doubtful, it's always been a niche.
And, remember, that pic was "extreme" at the time.
-
Rory didnt have a back, looks great standing there, loses the contestin the front double bi pose
-
Haha, I was going to post that exact pic. 8)
-
The only structure flaw that Rory had is he wasn't that wide but he was thicker than shit. If he could have really dialed it in his back wouldn't have been an issue. He always told me if you have weak points....perfect them. Everyone has weak points.
-
This is what true bodybuilders should look like. Today, we have bloated messes that look terrible.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=577815.0;attach=636573;image)
"1"
-
Mostly anabolic back then during show prep. Everyone knew what test did if it wasn't used right. Off season was a different story.
-
Rory and Bob......how about Bob AS Rory!?
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dan26abig.jpg)
-
I used to train at Block's gym in Orange County. I seem to recall that Rory trained there for hours along with Serge Nubret and this other guy, Kenny, who was doing the Cal. I was stupefied at first, then it became no big deal. It always saddens me to think of all that potential not being realized on the pro stage. What was the deal? Coach mentions amphetamines above, something along those lines?
-
This is what true bodybuilders should look like. Today, we have bloated messes that look terrible.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=577815.0;attach=636573;image)
"1"
If they still looked like this, I just might still give a fuck.
-
Same here bud!! :(
-
Same here bud!! :(
Rory looks perfect standing relaxed, long limbs and muscle bellies, Arnold-esque that way. Full, round chest/arms, like a dude that's lifted heavy for years, but still perfectly aesthetic. A much bigger Steve Reeves, maybe. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
Damn that sounds gay.
Still, should've been a multiple O winner - and he LOST that contest!
-
176lbs
That's beautiful ( no homo)
-
I used to train at Block's gym in Orange County. I seem to recall that Rory trained there for hours along with Serge Nubret and this other guy, Kenny, who was doing the Cal. I was stupefied at first, then it became no big deal. It always saddens me to think of all that potential not being realized on the pro stage. What was the deal? Coach mentions amphetamines above, something along those lines?
We've probably ran into each other. I would train there with Rory and Scott Livingstone. Amphetamines (and harder) were common back then just as they are now. You have to remember the dieting back then was much more extreme than now so anything that would kill an appetite and get you through your workout was used. Dieting today would have been like a daily cheat day back then.
-
We've probably ran into each other. I would train there with Rory and Scott Livingstone. Amphetamines (and harder) were common back then just as they are now. ou have to remember the dieting back then was much more extreme than now so anything that would kill an appetite and get you through your workout was used. Dieting today would have been like a daily cheat day back then.
Coke too, I learned. That was Milos's energy supp, anyway.
(Eh, fuck him, the fugitive.)
-
I knew guys that would sit outside the gym before training snorting lines of coke.........they always offered,I always refused.
-
Rory looks perfect standing relaxed, long limbs and muscle bellies, Arnold-esque that way. Full, round chest/arms, like a dude that's lifted heavy for years, but still perfectly aesthetic. A much bigger Steve Reeves, maybe. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
Damn that sounds gay.
Still, should've been a multiple O winner - and he LOST that contest!
It only sounds gay if you want it to!! ;D
I agree on all counts bro.
-
I wish Mr. Marino (Coach) would regale us of his training exploits with all the greats he`s trained with........it would be ax sticky in no time flat.
C`mon Joe,start the thread buddy.............the inspiration alone would be huge!!
-
I wish Mr. Marino (Coach) would regale us of his training exploits with all the greats he`s trained with........it would be ax sticky in no time flat.
C`mon Joe,start the thread buddy.............the inspiration alone would be huge!!
Should we start with the lines of coke? Lol
-
Should we start with the lines of coke? Lol
No we know that story already...........any gym USA!! ;D
-
I wish Mr. Marino (Coach) would regale us of his training exploits with all the greats he`s trained with........it would be ax sticky in no time flat.
C`mon Joe,start the thread buddy.............the inspiration alone would be huge!!
Yes!
Joe, isn't it true you used to train with one Mike Piazza?
(Ok, formerly Mick.)
-
Yes!
Joe, isn't it true you used to train with one Mike Piazza?
(Ok, formerly Mick.)
Uh oh. I see where this is going :-X
-
Joe trained with some fucking legends and looked awesome himself.
Still looks damn good..............(baiting him to post by stroking his ego!) LOL :D
-
Uh oh. I see where this is going :-X
Any idea if they're related? I think he told me they were.
-
Any idea if they're related? I think he told me they were.
???
-
Joe trained with some fucking legends and looked awesome himself.
Still looks damn good..............(baiting him to post by stroking his ego!) LOL :D
lol.
-
Coach - what did a typical back workout look like for you guys back then?
Didn't you train with Paris too?
-
???
The Piazzas, Joe. Mick and Mike.
-
A few years later.
-
Tommy is another guy with great stories but doesn`t share any where near enough.
I hate you 2 guys!! ;D
-
Both in equal condition, Bob is the easy winner.
Rory has sloped shoulders, weird droopy pecs, lacks quad sweep etc. Can't find much fault in Bob's physique.
-
That's beautiful ( no homo)
sure is, and so's this (full homo)
-
From that era, I liked Mendenhall's physique. He was more athletic looking
I don't think either Rory or Bob would look this good in the "Running Man" pose:
-
We've probably ran into each other. I would train there with Rory and Scott Livingstone. Amphetamines (and harder) were common back then just as they are now. You have to remember the dieting back then was much more extreme than now so anything that would kill an appetite and get you through your workout was used. Dieting today would have been like a daily cheat day back then.
I never saw any coke or amphetamines in the gym back then. I heard of one guy using something like that (Fastin?) but most just used ECA and that was plenty and they were in as good shape as seen by Rory and Paris there. Granted I wasn't part of the party crowd. This was more late 80s early 90s than early 80s like the picture above. Around the time Blocks gym became Golds Placentia. Guys like Raul Fulcher and Lionel Rangel and Shawn Ray were also there around then.
-
Rory still looks boss as fuck.
-
From that era, I liked Mendenhall's physique. He was more athletic looking
I don't think either Rory or Bob would look this good in the "Running Man" pose:
that is not athletic, very muscle bound... Looks retarded running.
-
Rory still looks boss as fuck.
Holy shit man. Solid.
-
Both in equal condition, Bob is the easy winner.
Rory has sloped shoulders, weird droopy pecs, lacks quad sweep etc. Can't find much fault in Bob's physique.
Short torso and wide hips.
-
:o :o
-
Short torso and wide hips.
You can always find something that may not be ideal. Personally I think long legs/short torso is superior to the opposite, nothing worse from an aesthetic standpoint than short legs. But it's subjective.
I also think symmetry is the wrong word to use about guys like Rory - the proper term is aesthetics.
A symmetrical guy can be ugly as hell whereas an unsymmetrical guy can be beautiful.
-
well interesting to note...shawn perine ranks bob paris as the number one most aesthetic bodybuilder in history
http://www.simplyshredded.com/perfect-20-simplyshredded-com-presents-the-top-20-most-aesthetic-physiques-of-all-time.html
not sure why he wasn't a gigantic star ( I gather he pissed somebody off...? )
a very beautiful man
(http://musclememory.com/images/recent/ParisBob_3.jpg)
no homo ;D
-
Bob Paris was a huge star by bodybuilding standards dude.
-
Best "Standing Relaxed" bodybuilder.
-
paris' legs were just a bit too big for the rest of him, and the same goes for jean-paul guillume
this here is perfect proportions.... legs, arms and torso all match perfectly
-
Bob Paris was a huge star by bodybuilding standards dude.
his placings weren't so huge though. He did well as an amateur but never won a pro competition...hmmm
-
this close to starting a bob paris thread
sean ray weighs in here
8)
-
Short torso and wide hips.
That's simply crazy. Was Bob Paris known to be gay in bodybuilding circles at the time he was competing as an amateur?
-
That's simply crazy. Was Bob Paris known to be gay in bodybuilding circles at the time he was competing as an amateur?
the internet tells me he came out in 1989 and his last pro contest was in 1991
-
So it wasn't public ally known until 1989 and the pics above were from the Nationals in the early 80s. I was wondering if insiders knew.
-
Two books that should be resting in every getbigger's personal library. I can't wait till he writes the sequel "Straight from the Tap". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Generation Queer was on the NY Times' bestseller list for 20 straight weeks. Impressive
(http://brentgreen.tripod.com/BobParis/queer.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/21/7c/95/217c95765682955fa14128fa30846eaf.jpg)
-
Didn't Bob and Rod get divorced or seperate somewhat recently?
Also what does Rory do these days? Train people?
-
Two books that should be resting in every getbigger's personal library. I can't wait till he writes the sequel "Straight from the Tap". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Generation Queer was on the NY Times' bestseller list for 20 straight weeks. Impressive
(http://brentgreen.tripod.com/BobParis/queer.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/21/7c/95/217c95765682955fa14128fa30846eaf.jpg)
What about "Gorilla Suit"?
-
What about "Gorilla Suit"?
(http://brentgreen.tripod.com/BobParis/gorr_sc.jpg)
A must read!
-
(http://clay_b861.tripod.com/ParisBob/BParis1092.jpg)
(http://clay_b861.tripod.com/ParisBob/BParis1036.jpg)
(http://clay_b861.tripod.com/ParisBob/BParis1032.jpg)
(http://clay_b861.tripod.com/ParisBob/BParis1037.jpg)
:o
-
that is not athletic, very muscle bound... Looks retarded running.
Have to agree. Too meathead offstage.
-
As Wes said, lets turn this into a Coach and Tommy who's who of training stories. I saw Mendenhall give a seminar at Golds Gym in Sunrise FL around 85 or so. He was wearing a shorts and a t shirt. His calves were sick his legs were great too.
-
As Wes said, lets turn this into a Coach and Tommy who's who of training stories. I saw Mendenhall give a seminar at Golds Gym in Sunrise FL around 85 or so. He was wearing a shorts and a t shirt. His calves were sick his legs were great too.
Was he with Rachel at the time? I'd love to know the story behind that, as it seems like she left some mental destruction in her wake concerning both he and Ray Mentzer.
-
Was he with Rachel at the time? I'd love to know the story behind that, as it seems like she left some mental destruction in her wake concerning both he and Ray Mentzer.
I don't think so, I certainly would have remembered that. I have an autographed picture of Rachel that I recently found from the 85 Nationals.
-
.
-
paris was incredible looking all aroundf'no homo',,watched that where are they now dude looks like Morrissey in the glasses and thinner...
-
As Wes said, lets turn this into a Coach and Tommy who's who of training stories. I saw Mendenhall give a seminar at Golds Gym in Sunrise FL around 85 or so. He was wearing a shorts and a t shirt. His calves were sick his legs were great too.
:D Cats I really don't have any good Bob Paris stories. Saw him train a few times. Saw him onstage a couple times. I suppose most notably at the 1988 Mr Olympia. Always a good dude.
-
:D Cats I really don't have any good Bob Paris stories. Saw him train a few times. Saw him onstage a couple times. I suppose most notably at the 1988 Mr Olympia. Always a good dude.
Ever meet Shawn and/or Troy Z. back when they trained together? If so, were they as douchey as everyone said?
-
Ever meet Shawn and/or Troy Z. back when they trained together? If so, were they as douchey as everyone said?
SHAWN did seem like that...his physique speaked for itself tho,,,I would have like to met a lot of those guys then,strydom,dennis newman,so many ,,tommywish was lucky man...
-
SHAWN did seem like that...his physique speaked for itself tho,,,I would have like to met a lot of those guys then,strydom,dennis newman,so many ,,tommywish was lucky man...
My friend bounced a club here in Upland, CA, mid/late 80s. Shawn comes in one night, walks right up, TELLS him to have the DJ announce that Mr. California has just arrived.
My buddy just laughed.
-
My friend bounced a club here in Upland, CA, mid/late 80s. Shawn comes in one night, walks right up, TELLS him to have the DJ announce that Mr. California has just arrived.
My buddy just laughed.
lol..I believe it he was a kid imagine that,,he won every major title in no time and turned pro at 21,,,he trained with newman too...
-
My friend bounced a club here in Upland, CA, mid/late 80s. Shawn comes in one night, walks right up, TELLS him to have the DJ announce that Mr. California has just arrived.
My buddy just laughed.
Haha id laugh right in that manlet's face. He tries way too hard
-
Ever meet Shawn and/or Troy Z. back when they trained together? If so, were they as douchey as everyone said?
Sure. Became friends with both in the early 90's. Troy was always cooler than Shawn IMO but both guys were cool with me. Worked with Troy in 91/92 while with Pro Muscle USA. Shawn trained mostly at Fullerton Golds I recall but he did hit Gold's Venice fairly often.
Had a great time at the "Battle of the Biceps" at the 1991 USA I believe. It was Troy Zuccolotto vs Mike Quinn. Dumbbells for reps, plus 225 on a barbell for reps. Best combined rep total wins.
Who knows the winner? Who knows the secret?
-
Sure. Became friends with both in the early 90's. Troy was always cooler than Shawn IMO but both guys were cool with me. Worked with Troy in 91/92 while with Pro Muscle USA. Shawn trained mostly at Fullerton Golds I recall but he did hit Gold's Venice fairly often.
Had a great time at the "Battle of the Biceps" at the 1991 USA I believe. It was Troy Zuccolotto vs Mike Quinn. Dumbbells for reps, plus 225 on a barbell for reps. Best combined rep total wins.
Who knows the winner? Who knows the secret?
I remember that. Fake plates of peace?
-
Sure. Became friends with both in the early 90's. Troy was always cooler than Shawn IMO but both guys were cool with me. Worked with Troy in 91/92 while with Pro Muscle USA. Shawn trained mostly at Fullerton Golds I recall but he did hit Gold's Venice fairly often.
Had a great time at the "Battle of the Biceps" at the 1991 USA I believe. It was Troy Zuccolotto vs Mike Quinn. Dumbbells for reps, plus 225 on a barbell for reps. Best combined rep total wins.
Who knows the winner? Who knows the secret?
Ever read what Jesse James wrote about Troy in his book?
-
Sure. Became friends with both in the early 90's. Troy was always cooler than Shawn IMO but both guys were cool with me. Worked with Troy in 91/92 while with Pro Muscle USA. Shawn trained mostly at Fullerton Golds I recall but he did hit Gold's Venice fairly often.
Had a great time at the "Battle of the Biceps" at the 1991 USA I believe. It was Troy Zuccolotto vs Mike Quinn. Dumbbells for reps, plus 225 on a barbell for reps. Best combined rep total wins.
Who knows the winner? Who knows the secret?
Did one claim each rep with a dumbell counted the same so he got one rep for each arm?
-
I remember that. Fake plates of peace?
:D And fake dumbbells of peace too. great entertainment still.
-
Doubtful, it's always been a niche.
And, remember, that pic was "extreme" at the time.
Bodybuilding definitely wouldn't be huge, but the "sport" today is actually lesser than it was 20 years ago.
I mean, we used to see this stuff on ESPN! Now, this year we hear that BODYBUILDING.com won't even stream the "super bowl" of drug abu bodybuilding.
-
Found another pic
-
this close to starting a bob paris thread
sean ray weighs in here
8)
WHAT??? Listen to that clip at 0:56, Francois is one of the new breed of bodybuildiers, working out without Steroids... !!!
-
Two of the greatest physiques ever... should Rory have beaten Bob?
Both Rory and Bob had heavy bench press pecs. Something todays bodybuilders no longer have.
-
Found another pic
Never seen that pic before.