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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Special Ed on March 02, 2006, 02:03:29 PM
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1. Gunter - If there is one guy to build an organization around, Gunter is probably the guy. He has been successful in landing a number of commercials. With his handsome mug, his charisma, and great smile, I think he is a sure bet to switch over. He believes he deserves better than he's gotten from the IFBB and certainly would give PDI a better and more impressive spokesperson than Ronnie "Marblemouth" Coleman.
2. Mustafa - This guy has a big underground following who are convinced this arab simply cannot get a fair shake in an IFBB contest. He's got more muscle than everyone else and no weak bodyparts, except for a wide waist -- which usually guarantees first and second in the Olympia. Except when your name in Mohammed and we're at war with a guy named Mohammed.
3. Freeman - A big guy with great shape and room to grow, Freeman is stuck behind a large line of guys who have paid their dues for the past four-five years (Martinez, James, Anthony, Charles, Priest, etc.) plus the hot newbies (Alves, Dim, and Warren) and there's no way he surpasses those guys regardless of his condition or size. A switch for this guy would be a smart move.
4. Rockel - Frankly, this guy is a better looking and better balanced Lee Priest. He has no weaknesses and should kick ass, except: 1) He's not American; 2) He has no American sponsor; 3) He doesn't have American support. But his physique speaks for itself. He would be a good face and physique for a new organization.
5. Downing - Another guy who was always overlooked in the IFBB, he has an upper body as good as anyone's and his legs aren't much worse than Darrem's. He doesn't compete much lately, but he's another guy with a good smile, nice physique, and personality to be a good rep for the new org.
6. Sarcev - Milos, though not competitive anymore, has a lot of credibility in the industry and would be a good guy to bring to the new org as a head judge or upper management type. He wields influence and is respected by a lot of pros for his honesty. He also was treated unfairly by the IFBB and often abused by Weider into competing regardless of his health.
7. Kamali - The new org needs personality and this guy has it. His notoriety would add credibility to the PDI and as everyone on the inside already knows, the IFBB judges are tired of him and won't be giving him any more money ever again, regardless of his condition.
8. Arntz - Another guy who's been screwed by the IFBB, he also has a nice look and a physique that is worthy of placement in the top 10, but is purposely overlooked by the judges because of past indiscretions and deteriorating relationships with select judges.
9. Cormier - A guy on the downswing? Yes, but with the upside of having a lot of name recognition, great past placings, and a classic physique. The IFBB has already begun to put him into retirement (a la Nasser), so now would be the right time to make a swtich for Chris.
10. Caprise Murray - Every organization needs a freak and this guy is as freaky as they come. He doesn't have the physique that will get rewarded by the IFBB because he's a short freak and his lines aren't so pleasing, but he's got ridiculous proportions and is IMHO a guy destined to be relegated to 8th place at the big shows. He would be a good guy to bring over and it would be a smart move for him because the IFBB will never have him beat Branch (no matter how much better Caprise is).
There. I said it. Some of the above have been confirmed. Some have been rumored. And some should consider the switch.
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Special "Insider" Ed
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Man I would love to see that but...:
1. I get the impression that Wayne D does not want to do this thing alone without any real backing.
2. I don't see any major $$$ market for a 2nd pro bodybuilding organization.
Trust me I think it would be great, but bodybuilding needs a better image to build a major $$$ fan base and TV contracts, etc
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Man I would love to see that but...:
1. I get the impression that Wayne D does not want to do this thing alone without any real backing.
2. I don't see any major $$$ market for a 2nd pro bodybuilding organization.
Trust me I think it would be great, but bodybuilding needs a better image to build a major $$$ fan base and TV contracts, etc
DeMilla will get the $ as sponsors see the sport revitalized.
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Nice initial list. This will be very interesting. I bet Priest will be involved somehow, I get the impression he does not give a shit about the IFBB but I think he and demillia have had a couple of disagreements in the past. I bet alot of the European guys that show up for the Eurotour switch, hell they don't stand a chance in the IFBB so why not. I'm hoping some ametuers that have gotten the shaft make the switch as well.
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Nice initial list. This will be very interesting. I bet Priest will be involved somehow, I get the impression he does not give a shit about the IFBB but I think he and demillia have had a couple of disagreements in the past. I bet alot of the European guys that show up for the Eurotour switch, hell they don't stand a chance in the IFBB so why not. I'm hoping some ametuers that have gotten the shaft make the switch as well.
That almost begs the question--will Federov sign up?
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Why would Fedorov sign up? He's a Weider/IFBB creation. I would suspect we won't see any Weider crossovers, with one notable exception...
Special "Deepthroat" Ed
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Muscle Mayhem has a 71min audio interview with Wayne that you can listen to. I sounds like he has everything in line.
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nice list. like to see ruhl go too. think he could dominate with freaky size ala no ronnie.
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He is going to have the Night of Champions this year....it will be good for the athletes...competition between the organizations can only help!
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Weider has been greedy. Time to reap what they so. Wayne helped put everyone else out of business. He has the skills and he has the motivation.
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weider is the anti-christ.makes billions on his magazine;makes dollars and pays dimes. the master blaster will kick the can soon tho and someone else will f*ck the althletes out of money. hope the new division lasts longer than mcmahons "XFL"
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weider is the anti-christ.makes billions on his magazine;makes dollars and pays dimes. the master blaster will kick the can soon tho and someone else will f*ck the althletes out of money. hope the new division lasts longer than mcmahons "XFL"
yep. he did the math, and realized keeping the winning lineups stead is good for their prima donna egos, and allows weider to pay them less.
demilla is going to beat them down. Hello, gunter. You are the perfect face for this new league.
The interesting part- which top amateurs and world champs will jump to Pro Division?
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weider is the anti-christ.makes billions on his magazine;makes dollars and pays dimes. the master blaster will kick the can soon tho and someone else will f*ck the althletes out of money. hope the new division lasts longer than mcmahons "XFL"
The Weiders don't own the mags anymore. How old are they, 80's? Like you said, neither one of them will be living that much longer.
What this situation is really about is who gets to f*ck the athletes out of money in the future: Jim Manion or Wayne Demillia.
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Some of these comments seem to infer that competitive bodybuilders will be banned from the IFBB for competing in a new organzation.
Many years ago the NPC lost that fight in court which allowed the amateurs to compete in any organization's contest without banishment from the NPC, but the court "failed" to consider the same situation among the pro ranks (IFBB).
Can anyone provide the facts regarding this past legal battle and how it affected the pros (if it did at all)?
Thanks
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even if they passed it for the pros they would NEVER get judged fairly again. not that they do now...but it would be magnified.
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Great list, but you guys need to realize that there a lot of up and coming amatuers that will also try to turn pro and will also get their pro cards from the past shows that they ahve already won. Of course, THERE IS NO NEW ORGANIZATION! IT'S ALL HERESAY. ::)
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Listened to the mayhem podcast...
I think wayne will get many guys VERBALLY promising to compete in his night of champions in september.
I think wayne will get SOME guys putting pen to paper to commit to competing in it.
I think he'll have a LOT less of either group actually turn up on the day.
We all know that these contracts to enforce guys to compete are basically worthless from the lee preist incident.
And since pro division is a corporation and not a sports federation the only recourse for wayne will be to sue these guys for breach of contract as an individual.
That raises another question...
If pro division is a corporation and not a federation then the athletes would have to be considered employees of that corporation wouldn't they? and as such would/should be PAID for their employemnt from the start shouldn't they?
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That raises another question...
If pro division is a corporation and not a federation then the athletes would have to be considered employees of that corporation wouldn't they? and as such would/should be PAID for their employemnt from the start shouldn't they?
There are plenty of jobs where you don't get paid until you deliver the service.
The new division could give them all a dollar a year salary to get around it anyway, if they felt the need.
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Listened to the mayhem podcast...
I think wayne will get many guys VERBALLY promising to compete in his night of champions in september.
I think wayne will get SOME guys putting pen to paper to commit to competing in it.
I think he'll have a LOT less of either group actually turn up on the day.
We all know that these contracts to enforce guys to compete are basically worthless from the lee preist incident.
And since pro division is a corporation and not a sports federation the only recourse for wayne will be to sue these guys for breach of contract as an individual.
That raises another question...
If pro division is a corporation and not a federation then the athletes would have to be considered employees of that corporation wouldn't they? and as such would/should be PAID for their employemnt from the start shouldn't they?
Dude, give it up already. You're clueless and showing how very dumb you are.
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If pro division is a corporation and not a federation then the athletes would have to be considered employees of that corporation wouldn't they? and as such would/should be PAID for their employemnt from the start shouldn't they?
The IFBB pro division is a corporation, not a federation. Some bodybuilders are under contract with the IFBB.
and regarding the Weiders, Joe owned the magazine empire, but sold it, Ben has the IFBB.
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There are plenty of jobs where you don't get paid until you deliver the service.
The new division could give them all a dollar a year salary to get around it anyway, if they felt the need.
Thats a good example...
A guy does his service for this corporation (ie. spends HIS money and competes in the night of champions) and then has to WIN his salary?
Would you do some plumbing for a building company then have to compete against the other plumbers on the contruction site and only the one plumber with the best work as deemed by the CEO of the building company gets ALL the wages owed to all the plumbers?
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The IFBB pro division is a corporation, not a federation. Some bodybuilders are under contract with the IFBB.
and regarding the Weiders, Joe owned the magazine empire, but sold it, Ben has the IFBB.
I'd like to see the legal papers on that one... I'd bet the IFBB is all under one blanket sports federation
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Dude, give it up already. You're clueless and showing how very dumb you are.
I think your belief that your friend Shari is a good bodybuilder shows your intelligence...
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Thats a good example...
A guy does his service for this corporation (ie. spends HIS money and competes in the night of champions) and then has to WIN his salary?
Would you do some plumbing for a building company then have to compete against the other plumbers on the contruction site and only the one plumber with the best work as deemed by the CEO of the building company gets ALL the wages owed to all the plumbers?
Sure. Suppose Ronnie Coleman wanted a website. He could email me and ten competitors, and tell us all to give him a sample workup of what our product would look like. We'd all give him a sample page, and a price. He'd only choose one of us. The rest of us would have lost time, money, and other resources on TRYING to win the deal.
It's like that with advertising too. We all spend the dollars, but only some of us get a return on this investment.
These men are all working on a product (their physique) to present a bid for a win and a cash prize. In addition, they also receive an avenue for delivering their physique to the public, which gives them more bargaining power in negotiating endorsement money and winning jobs in other area.
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Sure. Suppose Ronnie Coleman wanted a website. He could email me and ten competitors, and tell us all to give him a sample workup of what our product would look like. We'd all give him a sample page, and a price. He'd only choose one of us. The rest of us would have lost time, money, and other resources on TRYING to win the deal.
It's like that with advertising too. We all spend the dollars, but only some of us get a return on this investment.
These men are all working on a product (their physique) to present a bid for a win and a cash prize. In addition, they also receive an avenue for delivering their physique to the public, which gives them more bargaining power in negotiating endorsement money and winning jobs in other area.
Yeah but they aren't bidding on a job they are doing the job.
They've signed a contract to do the work for a corporation.
Thats why pro division should register as a sports federation and be open to the same laws/benefits of such such as annual general meetings, votes on the board etc.
Obviuosly the IFBB is hopelessly corrupt and looks like staying that way but the athletes need to be wary of all the possible negatives under the pro division structure as it stands (ie. one person owns it...) For the current structure to be fair wayne should put people under employment contracts to perform a service for him (ie. compete in HIS shows and make HIM money above what he pays them...).
Sh1t that's what my little corporation that I'm the sole shareholder of is all about...
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I believe they would actually be independent contractors. Perhaps getting paid a minimum appearance fee, then winnings as a bonus. Personally, I would rather do this than prep and get screwed by IFBB judges over and over.
But... can we switch the conversation back to those who switched over - I want to know the confirmed (or soon to be confirmed).
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But... can we switch the conversation back to those who switched over - I want to know the confirmed (or soon to be confirmed).
Word is Jocelyn Pelletier will be making the switch, since the IFBB won't let him compete anymore.
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I believe they would actually be independent contractors. Perhaps getting paid a minimum appearance fee, then winnings as a bonus. Personally, I would rather do this than prep and get screwed by IFBB judges over and over.
But... can we switch the conversation back to those who switched over - I want to know the confirmed (or soon to be confirmed).
I think that would be great and would ensure a full lineup. Pay them a certain amount to get ready then the prize money is your bonus.
As far as confirmed competitors we won't know for sure until the curtains open same as any show really...
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Man, you guys are making this waaay to complicated. There are shows scheduled and people will enter them. No one makes any fricken money anyway so what has most of them got to lose. You will see a ton of good quality amatuers entering the pro qualifier shows. The pro schedule will be out soon.
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Special "Insider" Ed
haha predictable
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Demilla needs only one person to back his organization. One. Arnold. If he comes out and backs a "new deal' for pro bodybuilders, it can succeed overnight. Without him (and he's obviously doubtful) Demilla needs all the pros to drop the IFBB and make the switch... if not... he will fail.
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I think wayne is aiming for the "lets build some momentum" approach with younger bodybuilders as the focus.
Problem is will the fans support it long enough for the ball to start rolling properly...
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properly.
copy the IFBB
only as a point of departure.
ex: how not to structure an organization.
shows in major markets and on internet only.
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Demilla needs only one person to back his organization. One. Arnold. If he comes out and backs a "new deal' for pro bodybuilders, it can succeed overnight. Without him (and he's obviously doubtful) Demilla needs all the pros to drop the IFBB and make the switch... if not... he will fail.
Not true. One big name will bring some credibility to the new federation. The IFBB will be forced to either shake things up with their continued predictable placings or risk losing other disenfranchised competitors. Let's say Jay Cutler left the IFBB tomorrow and ten other lesser name pros followed. Are you saying that organization is doomed to fail? What if Cutler, Gunter, Priest and Martinez all left tomorrow?? Suddenly, you have real competition for the IFBB.
You don't need Arnold. You need names and bodies. The audience will follow their favorites. The sponsors will chase the fans. And soon enough, Manion will be chasing DeMilia.
Special "Black Friday" Ed
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What if Cutler, Gunter, Priest and Martinez all left tomorrow?? Suddenly, you have real competition for the IFBB.
But where is the incentive to defect? Show me the money jerry...
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I really want to see this thing succeed but I have my doubts. The IFBB lost some of it's biggest names to the WBF back in the day and they didn't bat an eye. Quinn, Christian, Strydom, Demay, Padilla...all of these guys were pretty top notch. The IFBB is a total monopoly in this "sport". I remember reading that they told the other mags that if they covered the WBF shows they would not be allowed to cover any IFBB or NPC shows. If they pull this same stuff it's going to be awful hard for teh pro div. to make a dent in the sport. Granted Vinny Mac is alot different than Wayne Demillia in that Wayne has alot more expiereince running a bodybuilding org. than Vince did but Vince is no fool, the WWF was the biggest thing going and he had tons of mainstream exposure, I remember Vince Comerford doing interviews on Saturday morning wrastlin, he had the WBF TV show his own supplement line..he had all of the ingrediants to succeed and still got destroyed. Yes the drug testing hurt him real bad but the 1990 Olympia was "tested" just like the 92 WBF show was tested.
Wayne seems to have this well thought out. Bringing in amatuer guys, introducing fresh new faces. I hope he makes this happen.
I just can't wait to read Flex rip him for the next 10-12 years, hell how many times have they had the phrase "we bore fans" since the WBF demise?
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I really want to see this thing succeed but I have my doubts. The IFBB lost some of it's biggest names to the WBF back in the day and they didn't bat an eye. Quinn, Christian, Strydom, Demay, Padilla...all of these guys were pretty top notch. The IFBB is a total monopoly in this "sport". I remember reading that they told the other mags that if they covered the WBF shows they would not be allowed to cover any IFBB or NPC shows. If they pull this same stuff it's going to be awful hard for teh pro div. to make a dent in the sport. Granted Vinny Mac is alot different than Wayne Demillia in that Wayne has alot more expiereince running a bodybuilding org. than Vince did but Vince is no fool, the WWF was the biggest thing going and he had tons of mainstream exposure, I remember Vince Comerford doing interviews on Saturday morning wrastlin, he had the WBF TV show his own supplement line..he had all of the ingrediants to succeed and still got destroyed. Yes the drug testing hurt him real bad but the 1990 Olympia was "tested" just like the 92 WBF show was tested.
Wayne seems to have this well thought out. Bringing in amatuer guys, introducing fresh new faces. I hope he makes this happen.
I just can't wait to read Flex rip him for the next 10-12 years, hell how many times have they had the phrase "we bore fans" since the WBF demise?
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Muscle Mayhem has a 71min audio interview with Wayne that you can listen to. I sounds like he has everything in line.
Awesome - I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the tip.
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Awesome - I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the tip.
i recommend it. after hearing it, i was pretty convinced this thing has a chance
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that's the worst post i've read in a while.
the only part that made sense is the part about gunter.
mustafa? an underground following? how do you figure. he's just as popular as any other pro like branch warren, jackson, atwood etc. he looks great, but more muscle that anyone? his back is weak and now that manion told him that if he overdoses on diuretics agian, he'll be suspended, so now he shows up at every show smooth.
arntz? is that rfucking joke. between the oil in his shoulders and gyno, no legs, and no torso, why would you include him. he looked great in the npc, but too much partying and dealing of xstacy ruined his physique.
downing? looks good at times in the upper body, but he's not big enough or conditioned enough to be competitive. and he has no legs.
kamili? it was one thing when he was decent and he talked shit, now that palumboism has set in, no one pays attention to him or even cares what he says anymore.
freeman? nothing speical. never big nor full enough to make an impact.
rockel? looks good but kinda small to do any real damamge. doesnt have the arms or muscuarlity of priest even with the horrible bronze tan.
cormier? how can you build a org. around him. he's practically retired and bitter bc he was always overated and never even lived up to those hypes.
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mustafa? an underground following? how do you figure. he's just as popular as any other pro like branch warren, jackson, atwood etc. he looks great, but more muscle that anyone? his back is weak and now that manion told him that if he overdoses on diuretics agian, he'll be suspended, so now he shows up at every show smooth.
perhaps you haven't heard of Team Mustafa.
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that's the worst post i've read in a while.
That's a pretty mean thing say to a disabled person. Didn't your mother teach you any compassion?
Special "Hurt Feelings" Ed
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I'd like to see the legal papers on that one... I'd bet the IFBB is all under one blanket sports federation
The IFBB was just Joe and Ben from about 1948 until 1964. That's when the amateur branch actually formed and had an international congress.
Dan Lurie, continuing his feud with Joe, paid for a lawyer to search Canadian records. The lawyer reported that articles of incorporation for the IFBB were dated 1969. No legal records prior to that were found.
The IFBB is a for profit corporation, not a sports federation.
Besides, what's the definition of a sports federation? I would think it would be something like a non profit organization recognized by a national government. The IFBB or the NPC is not recognized by the US government as the organizing body of bodybuilding.
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You had me sleeping at "Hello"
Special "Don't Care Much about History" Ed
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The IFBB or the NPC is not recognized by the US government as the organizing body of bodybuilding.
Is there any body recognised by the US government as an organising body for bodybuilding?
Obviously the AAU were back in the 70's.
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I thought it was a non profit
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Tis no accident that only 8 guys showed up for the IFBB Funeral today, hosted by the Reverand Chick.
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Tis no accident that only 8 guys showed up for the IFBB Funeral today, hosted by the Reverand Chick.
You've been converted haven't you 240...
The podcast showed a few things.
Wayne is putting on his own night of champions as before. He has euro promoters putting on their own shows.
His CATCH 22 is how does he get the athletes to sign on dotted line to say they'll be turning up? And even if they do sign something how does he enforce it? Even the IFBB can't truly enforce their athlete agreements especially since LEE proved how worthless they are...
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You've been converted haven't you 240...
The podcast showed a few things.
Wayne is putting on his own night of champions as before. He has euro promoters putting on their own shows.
His CATCH 22 is how does he get the athletes to sign on dotted line to say they'll be turning up? And even if they do sign something how does he enforce it? Even the IFBB can't truly enforce their athlete agreements especially since LEE proved how worthless they are...
The IFBB enforces one thing: A fixed result. Is there any doubt who will be #1 and #2 at the O this year? Hell, we can probably predict a Coleman-Custler-Gustavo finish already, right?
In the first year, Pro Division Bodybuilding will ALREADY have the IFBB beat in the fact that there is no pre-ordained champ. Someone new will win their shows. Could be Gunter, Mustafa, Priest... could be Rockel or someone we don't see coming.
But it's new. New! And newness cannot be bought or faked. You know that tingly feeling you get on a first date, at a new job, when driving a new car... you can't get that at a Coleman-ninth-straight O win. But you can get it Aug 11-12 at the Florida Pro. You can also punch 240 for $20. I'll have a booth with garraeth, Greggy V, JH, and Team Mustafa. See yall there!
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august in fla? nah, we'll be in nantucket..
but i am willing to underwrite a 240 hater a scholarship :) of 20 dollars
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Aug 11-12 at the Florida Pro. You can also punch 240 for $20. I'll have a booth with garraeth, Greggy V, JH, and Team Mustafa. See yall there!
I'll go on record right here saying 240 gets way more people paying $20 each at that show than Big Lou does!
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...and after GV and Mustafa tire from their free swings, I get to pummell what's left over
Then you're in luck! If Greggy punches with as much force as he does DB curls, and Mustafa places his punches as well as he places in shows, I should be in pretty good shape...
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You can also punch 240 for $20.
Do we get to pick where?
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At his booth.
i'd rather hit her with a pie
i mean him
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i'd rather hit her with a pie
mmm pie.
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At his booth.
Stan McCray might do it for free - and more than once...
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Stan McCray might do it for free - and more than once...
lol oh yeah right spent time in florida prison over website drama
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lol oh yeah right spent time in florida prison over website drama
I can see it now. Stan in jail and telling the other inmates what he did. "Uh, I punched a guy who makes $300 websites."
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I can see it now. Stan in jail and telling the other inmates what he did. "Uh, I punched a guy who makes $300 websites."
Yeah, Stan would get a lot of respect in the prison yard, bragging about how he and his boys decided to beat up some kid from the internet.
I'm going to hire Chad Mower to wear a 240 jersey to the Florida Pro.
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Too many of you guys are worried about which IFBB pros will enter this new org. I'm sure that some will, but this new org needs new faces also and there are 100's if not 1000's of guys out there with great potential who now have a choice. The world is a big place and bodybuilding is popular in other areas besides the US. Wayne's new org will do just fine, even without all you guys who like to put it down just as it is getting started.
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Too many of you guys are worried about which IFBB pros will enter this new org. I'm sure that some will, but this new org needs new faces also and there are 100's if not 1000's of guys out there with great potential who now have a choice. The world is a big place and bodybuilding is popular in other areas besides the US. Wayne's new org will do just fine, even without all you guys who like to put it down just as it is getting started.
how's it going King?
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Has there been any announcement about anybody switching officially?
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I know of a couple, but DeMilla will announce them at once, I'm told. So I'm Johnny Tightlips till then!
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I call bs that u have any idea of an actual ifbb pro who is 100% switchin!!
Why would u keep it a secret? You love to open ur mouth about everything, why would u keep such "juicey" info quiet???
hmmmmmmmm?
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We won't know who has REALLY switched until the curtains for the first show open.
Example... Ferrigno signed with vince's WBF but never made it onto their stage...
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how's it going King?
Give it up bro. It was funny maybe once. ::)
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Why would u keep it a secret? You love to open ur mouth about everything, why would u keep such "juicey" info quiet???
Well, as many here will tell you, I've VERY discreet with information given to me in confidence.
Goofing off on the boards is one thing, but BUSINESS is another.
Being able to keep one thing yourself often means learning ten more things as a result.
Discretion in information mgmt is very important to most, and to me as well.
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Well, as many here will tell you, I've VERY discreet with information given to me in confidence.
Goofing off on the boards is one thing, but BUSINESS is another.
Being able to keep one thing yourself often means learning ten more things as a result.
Discretion in information mgmt is very important to most, and to me as well.
OH REALLY LOL
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Well, as many here will tell you, I've VERY discreet with information given to me in confidence.
Goofing off on the boards is one thing, but BUSINESS is another.
Being able to keep one thing yourself often means learning ten more things as a result.
Discretion in information mgmt is very important to most, and to me as well.
hmmmm
Well said, if its true i can respect that
But please give us some insite on your buisness realationship with Mr. wayne and his new federation.
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I have no relationship with DeMilla.
I purchased a website for fans/gossip/news releases, etc:
www.prodivisionbodybuild ing.com
I speak with a number of athletes all the time from doing their sites, and there is a quiet curiosity from most of them. If DeMilla can convince 2 or 3 of the top 15 guys to jump, a few more will jump.
And, the top amateurs who just haven't been able to "Pay their dues" for 10 years to get a pro card are salivating at the idea.
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I have no relationship with DeMilla.
I purchased a website for fans/gossip/news releases, etc:
www.prodivisionbodybuild ing.com
I speak with a number of athletes all the time from doing their sites, and there is a quiet curiosity from most of them. If DeMilla can convince 2 or 3 of the top 15 guys to jump, a few more will jump.
And, the top amateurs who just haven't been able to "Pay their dues" for 10 years to get a pro card are salivating at the idea.
SO now it's starting to sound more like a reality. ;)
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It's possible that now that the IFBB has some competition for men's pro cards, they'll get a little more liberal issuing them, as they have for figure women in the last few years. We'll see.
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