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At Dorians best, he would have most likely beat Arnold.
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At Dorians best, he would have most likely beat Arnold.
He would according to how contests are judged but Dorian is trolling Che-style
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Dorian would have face fucked arnold on stage.
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Yea let see those pre Dorian insulin years on stage so we can compair
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Silly little manlet, that Yates boy. He lives in public restroom world where he thinks it's fine and dandy to piss anywhere.
Even in the breeze. What a maroon.
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what about when it came time to compare physiques. seriously no brit twit is going to beat a prussian
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Yea let see those pre Dorian insulin years on stage so we can compair
He said he only took insulin in 1997 and all it did was bloat his gut and distorted his conditioning compared to what it usually was.
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what about when it came time to compare physiques. seriously no brit twit is going to beat a prussian
Dorian lighter would more than hold his own
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I hate when these retards try to compare themselves to another generation. Can't happen so not worth saying.
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Physique wise, I'd rather look like Arnold, but going by criteria, Dorian would be trouble for Arnold.
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Physique wise, I'd rather look like Arnold, but going by criteria, Dorian would be trouble for Arnold.
Absolutely , I would rather look like Arnold 7 days a week.
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I hate when these retards try to compare themselves to another generation. Can't happen so not worth saying.
Agreed. It would be like Adrian Peterson saying he would've been a better running back than Jim Brown if they played in the same era. Totally different training and drugs. There's way too many variables.
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(http://athlete.ru/fotos/profi/dorian/dorian_yates_039.jpg)
Sheesh...What are they posing in front of, the "Enchantment Under the Sea" prop from Back To The Future?
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Sheesh...What are they posing in front of, the "Enchantment Under the Sea" prop from Back To The Future?
About as bad as the birthday party balloons at that one Iron Man.
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Agreed. It would be like Adrian Peterson saying he would've been a better running back than Jim Brown if they played in the same era. Totally different training and drugs. There's way too many variables.
Exactly. You can say that about every sport.
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If Dorian used the same drug protocol as Arnold did, Dorian wouldn't come close to beating Arnold. And lets add that Dorian is one ugly mofo...
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Exactly. You can say that about every sport.
They have done computer analysis that shows Jesse Owens would be about as fast as Usain Bolt if the ran on the same surface with the same footgear.
Regarding Yates, what kind of a dingus low class loser is so starved for attention that he has to post something like that. Yes, I'm sure Arnold really cares. He's worth hundred million plus. He's been a governor. He started bodybuilding in the modern era. He's probably laughing his ass off that some tiny little has been ant is trolling an Oak.
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Probably residual butthurt from when Arnold trashed his globiness.
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You look at arnold in his movies etc. he did not even really look that big or impressive and because he wasn't on as high doses of gh year round and he didn't take insulin and his gear dosages were probably lower despite still being fairly high this means that arnold would not have a pump 24/7 in arms etc when he walked around...Whereas dorian did...Dorian carried more tissue and size at a lower BF% when he went on stage...Dorians back was obviously MUCH better in comparison and Dorian came HARDER and DRIER into shows...I would MUCH PREFER dorians physique to walk around everyday...Dorian was MUCH MUCH more freaky...You see tons of people who aren't even pros with similar size and conditioning to arnold these days...just maybe not as good of genetics or muscle bellies...But some do...Only thing Arnold has as far as bodybuilding is the respect of the community and his past..Because the physique he had does not hold weight anymore in current bodybuilding...None of the judges care what you guys would prefer...Dorian would have won...
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If Dorian used the same drug protocol as Arnold did, Dorian wouldn't come close to beating Arnold. And lets add that Dorian is one ugly mofo...
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Exactly.Put them under the same circumstances at their prime and Arnold wins.Both were extremely driven but Arnold has better genetics.
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Jealousy is a stinky cologne. Dorian Yates looked like a short, stubby, 300 pound lump of shit.......with one bicep a bad mullet that would make even Billy Ray Cyrus cringe.
He's not fit to sniff Arnold's posing trunks.
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This one is a toss up really.
It depends if the judges favor inverted biceps or not.
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Arnold had a much more classic physique, Dorian represented the start of a different era and Haney one of the transition between them both.
Judging criteria also changed during this period, judged under Arnolds day, Dorian most likely would have been cast similar to Menter and Viator.
Arnold under Dorians era would have lost from not having enough mass and fullness.
Genetics wise, I think its a tough one all three display great structures as well as the ability to grow muscle symmetrically.
Definitely the best three olympiad from a genetics position including structure.
Big ron had the best genetics ever to build muscles but his overall structure was not on the same level as these three and even other guys like Flex etc.
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They have done computer analysis that shows Jesse Owens would be about as fast as Usain Bolt if the ran on the same surface with the same footgear.
Regarding Yates, what kind of a dingus low class loser is so starved for attention that he has to post something like that. Yes, I'm sure Arnold really cares. He's worth hundred million plus. He's been a governor. He started bodybuilding in the modern era. He's probably laughing his ass off that some tiny little has been ant is trolling an Oak.
Dorian trolling the oak and you trolling Dorian, the circle of life.
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Sheesh...What are they posing in front of, the "Enchantment Under the Sea" prop from Back To The Future?
Look at the background..."taste the rainbow".
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Arnold is still the gold standard to which ALL bodybuilders compare themselves to... He IS bodybuilding.
Arnold > Everyone else.
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Arnold is still the gold standard to which ALL bodybuilders compare themselves to... He IS bodybuilding.
Arnold > Everyone else.
I'd say it's about as good an achievement as you can get in bodybuilding, for your physique to be in fashion and desirable for 40 years continuously. I can't see that changing either.
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Yea let see those pre Dorian insulin years on stage so we can compair
8) Exactly
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You can't beat the best with no arms or chest.
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;D
As always, it is easy to say. And as we know, Dorian is known dimwit and eager believer of the conspiracy theories. He was a one of the greatest bodybuilders, no doubt about that, but you don't need to be intelligent to do that. That's why he is presenting these stupid statements, he just can't think up anything more intelligent to say ;D
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The front double bicep pose is the hallmark of Bodybuilding ..
The cover photo of Arnold encyclopedia displaying such pose, beats Yates ....
Don't have the photo at the moment.
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHH
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It really is stupid when the likes of heath and yates try to compare themselves to arnold. if yates had been around in that era with the drugs available, it's pretty certain he would never have been able to hold a candle to arnold and he shouldn't try to now. he should just be grateful and humble that arnold paved the way for him and others by putting BBing on the map.
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What we really need to know is would Arnold have backed down from a challenge to fight Harley Breite? ;D
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Dorian was great in the recent Terminator flick.
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Every bodybuilder from the 70-s who continued competing in the 80-s and 90-s didn't do so by presenting the same package they had in the 70-s.Albert Beckles looked very different when he placed 2nd to Haney in 85 than what he looked in the 60-s and 70-s.Lou Ferrigno didn't compete in the 90-s with the same physique from "Pumping Iron". So did Robby Robinson,Danny Padilla,etc.
Arnold in 1970 looked different than Arnold in 1974.If he retired in 1970 to focus on movies we would've never seen his 1974 form.If Coleman retired in 1994 at the age of 30 after few unsuccessful years as a pro we would've never been able to see him at his best and would never have known he is capable of winning pro shows,let alone winning the Olympia 8 times.
If Napoleon lived in the 20th Century his army wouldn't have used the same weapons and tactics they used in the 19th Century to fight against Hitler.
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First comparing himself to Phil now to Arnold...Dorian is craving attention.
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The latest edition should be with Branch on the cover ;D
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haha, look at that mock up pic of dorian on arnolds book, he's like smashed arseholes, wider waist, smaller fucked up arms, thinner chest, thighs not as separated, no flow, it's not even funny
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haha, look at that mock up pic of dorian on arnolds book, he's like smashed arseholes, wider waist, smaller fucked up arms, thinner chest, thighs not as separated, no flow, it's not even funny
imagine if that was the real cover...there are many great pics of yates that could sell with a cover ,not that one...
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That green eyed delusional bitch yates couldn't hold Arnold's dirty posing trunks.
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A better pic for the book...
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Yates pre heavy slin & gh.... More than a match for anyone
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Good job
LOL WOOSSHHH
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On the day of the contest if Dorian shows equally as good as Arnold or even a few percent better.... Arnold will spend with him one night. And that night Dorian will never forget. Arnold will mix him up emotionally. Dorian will come so ready to win and Arnold will simply talk him into losing. Its not that hard. If Dorians not in shape obviously he's less hostile.
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Dorian wins. Far more mass and far better conditioning. Haney would best him also.
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I'm surprised Dorian would compare Himself to Arnold.
Different era's & very different judging standards.
Who would of won if they competed at the same time
same judging standards same drugs.
Both very driven in their training & mentally strong.
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Dorian was the best mr O in his period of time.....but he had the charisma of an old newspaper........
Arnold, with the training/food/juice of Dorians era would have destroyed him.
says Dr Dutch
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This Pre-1993 Olympia version of Dorian would've been a very tough opponent for Arnold
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Arnold has power, wealth and influence.
Dorian has a ticket in his pocket to see Arnold's movie. Next?
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Pre-1992 Olympia
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This Pre-1993 Olympia version of Dorian would've been a very tough opponent for Arnold
That is best pic/pose I have ever seen of Yates in that pose, yes he beats Arnold ...
But in my opinion FDB is where a bodybuilder can't hide his flaws.
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Here's Arnold at the age of 53...Same age as Dorian today. LMFAO. Dorian is a fukcing mess...
(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/arnold_schwarzenegger_2000_11_03.jpg)(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01414/2000-schwarzenegge_1414470i.jpg)
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This Pre-1993 Olympia version of Dorian would've been a very tough opponent for Arnold
Brutal $99 stationary bike of peace...
But INSANE calves! :o :o :o
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Here's Arnold at the age of 53...Same age as Dorian today. LMFAO. Dorian is a fukcing mess...
(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/arnold_schwarzenegger_2000_11_03.jpg)(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01414/2000-schwarzenegge_1414470i.jpg)
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Over the years; I'd imagine that Arnold had some minor plastic surgery operations done on his face. Plus; I'd imagine that, at a lot of his promotions & photo shoots, he had make-up on.
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I'd say it's about as good an achievement as you can get in bodybuilding, for your physique to be in fashion and desirable for 40 years continuously. I can't see that changing either.
Arnold wanted to be like Ch-esus, remembered for 1000 years.
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On the day of the contest if Dorian shows equally as good as Arnold or even a few percent better.... Arnold will spend with him one night. And that night Dorian will never forget. Arnold will mix him up emotionally. Dorian will come so ready to win and Arnold will simply talk him into losing. Its not that hard. If Dorians not in shape obviously he's less hostile.
Lol awesome!
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Over the years; I'd imagine that Arnold had some minor plastic surgery operations done on his face. Plus; I'd imagine that, at a lot of his promotions & photo shoots, he had make-up on.
Dorian had plastic surgeries as well.
Arnold has power, wealth and influence.
Dorian has a ticket in his pocket to see Arnold's movie. Next?
I highly doubt Dorian is watching Arnold's movies at the cinema but I get your point.
Brutal $99 stationary bike of peace...
But INSANE calves! :o :o :o
Does he have calf implants as well? ;)
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Yates pre heavy slin & gh.... More than a match for anyone
He was good but 30lbs. lighter than his 93 Olympia shape.
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Dorian was the best mr O in his period of time.....but he had the charisma of an old newspaper........
Arnold, with the training/food/juice of Dorians era would have destroyed him.
says Dr Dutch
And Dorian with the training/food/juice of Arnolds era won't be able to recover.
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And Dorian with the training/food/juice of Arnolds era won't be able to recover.
So what juice was different in the late 80's then?, was all the same shit, only synthetic gh and slin changed things and that came later on..
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So what juice was different in the late 80's then?, was all the same shit, only synthetic gh and slin changed things and that came later on..
More sophisticated and effective protocols regarding combos/dosages. Synthetic gh was in use since mid.80s.r
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Waiting on Dorian to transcend bodybuilding and take off his tin foil hat...
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More sophisticated and effective protocols regarding combos/dosages. Synthetic gh was in use since mid.80s.r
No there wasn't, its the same stuff, taken the same way give or take a gram... No one was doing gh properly as we know it until the early 90's
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No there wasn't, its the same stuff, taken the same way give or take a gram... No one was doing gh properly as we know it until the early 90's
They didn't arrive with the most effective stacks from the get-go.Late 60s to early 70s were still an experimental stage,they weren't as educated as in the 80s and 90s as there were no long term data available,just as they didn't have the same knowledge about nutrition,nutrition timing etc.Every next generation use the knowledge gained by the previous ones as a stepping stone to go further.
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They didn't arrive with the most effective stacks from the get-go.Late 60s to early 70s were still an experimental stage,they weren't as educated as in the 80s and 90s as there were no long term data available,just as they didn't have the same knowledge about nutrition,nutrition timing etc.Every next generation use the knowledge gained by the previous ones as a stepping stone to go further.
Righto... ;)
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I respect both Arnold and Dorian....Arnold was the whole thing, Dorian was the best bodybuilder who set the standard for new mass.... 8)
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Had they been contemporaries (Dorian with Arnold's limited drug availability or vice versa), Arnold would have destroyed Dorian.
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Had they been contemporaries (Dorian with Arnold's limited drug availability or vice versa), Arnold would have destroyed Dorian.
Of course, no question....
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Had they been contemporaries (Dorian with Arnold's limited drug availability or vice versa), Arnold would have destroyed Dorian.
I posted a pre gh/slin Yates pic.... What drugs exactly did arnold not have available to him at the time.. May I remind you that they had legit finaject back then too
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Depends on the Judge.
Arnold=good body narow waist, delts, quads lats not overdone
Yeates=blocky hunk of mucle looks shit as soon as he stops starving his ass off
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Imagine this combo
Arnold's Pecs
Dorian's Back
Arnold's Upper Arms
Dorian's Forearms
Arnold's midsection
Dorian's Legs
Toss up on Shoulders
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Almost any Mr O of say 20 years following another past champion could say what Dorian said.
Not sure I like Dorian as he's a true racist it seems. Not the way we do it on the boards to provoke and joke around, but real life racist.
Not so sure about that dude...
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Imagine this combo
Arnold's Pecs
Dorian's Back
Arnold's Upper Arms
Dorian's Forearms
Arnold's midsection
Dorian's Legs
Toss up on Shoulders
In other words; Arnold with access to 90's chemicals ;)
WoSH
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Yates pre heavy slin & gh.... More than a match for anyone
He looks good here but was 228lbs. and lost to Momo.
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Yeh at his 1st pro show, after around 5 yrs training... Arnie lost to Zane in his 1st did he not?
Regarding the waist, yates pre gh/slin kills him in waist and taper, armies waist from the front was quite wide, altho he did hit a good vacuum... He did lots of twisting shots because I this..
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I don't think Dorian is racist. Not at all. Just because of his controversial opinion about the Holocaust which is a controversial subject because of what is being passed off as fact is not fact. Those numbers are no where near what was reported. Western A Civilization has been victims of a mass propaganda campaign and the fact prove it. It has done through the Rothchilds. Anyway Dorian hangs with real Hebrews all the time. I don't know his opinion on Edomites aka Jewish people.
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Yates pre heavy slin & gh.... More than a match for anyone
That's badass. I'mo, Dorian at the same weight of Arnold crushed Arnold on the extreme conditioning. Dorian will always crush Arnold on conditioning.
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Peak arnold trumps dorian imo, balanced, bigger and better arms, whole body flows better and looked good from all angles, midsection much shallower and lighter but with thicker and bigger chest, arnolds bdb was sick, like a roadmap back there, he never hit the lat spread properly but width was impressive. Dorian takes him on ham and glutes definition but both had the longer leg look but arnolds cuts were better, dorians looked blobby
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Some of these early 90's pics of Dorian are exceptional
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Some of these early 90's pics of Dorian are exceptional
That version of Dorian would destroy Arnold.
But, as said, comparing the eras is difficult, because nobody really knows what would happen if modern methods were applied to the old school, and vice versa.
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Almost any Mr O of say 20 years following another past champion could say what Dorian said.
Not sure I like Dorian as he's a true racist it seems. Not the way we do it on the boards to provoke and joke around, but real life racist.
Not so sure about that dude...
We're talking about bodybuilding here. What does race/racism have to do with it? People will never get far in life with a victim mentality.
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Dorian seems to be big on conspiracy theories these days, some of which are popular with groups associated with the far right.
I don't think he's a racist though. Not to any extreme level at least.
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We're talking about bodybuilding here. What does race/racism have to do with it? People will never get far in life with a victim mentality.
I really like this post
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Yeh at his 1st pro show, after around 5 yrs training... Arnie lost to Zane in his 1st did he not?
Regarding the waist, yates pre gh/slin kills him in waist and taper, armies waist from the front was quite wide, altho he did hit a good vacuum... He did lots of twisting shots because I this..
At the same age(28) Arnold was already retired undefeated with the record of 6 x mr.Olympia.He lost to Zane when he was still a kid.
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He was a pro when he lost to Zane, likewise as he lost to Sergio...
He started competing in his teens, yates didn't start till his early 20's...
Anything else cupcake ?
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He was a pro when he lost to Zane, likewise as he lost to Sergio...
He started competing in his teens, yates didn't start till his early 20's...
Anything else cupcake ?
He was a pro in NABBA which had slightly different criteria than IFBB(NABBA accentuated more on size while IFBB on conditioning).The only pro IFBB contest at the time was Mr.Olympia therefore his IFBB pro debut and only loss was at the 1969 Mr.Olympia when he lost to Sergio at the age of 22.After that he was undefeated.
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Yeh at his 1st pro show, after around 5 yrs training... Arnie lost to Zane in his 1st did he not?
Regarding the waist, yates pre gh/slin kills him in waist and taper, armies waist from the front was quite wide, altho he did hit a good vacuum... He did lots of twisting shots because I this..
Smaller waist yes but not better taper, Arnold had an amazing flowing taper with great lats insertions... Yates was also narrower, Arnold had larger clavicles, and a wider waist, but very tight and looked right on him...
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Smaller waist yes but not better taper, Arnold had an amazing flowing taper with great lats insertions... Yates was also narrower, Arnold had larger clavicles, and a wider waist, but very tight and looked right on him...
Your not trying to compare backs are you.... Arnold had him on pecs and biceps, end of discussion.
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Smaller waist yes but not better taper, Arnold had an amazing flowing taper with great lats insertions... Yates was also narrower, Arnold had larger clavicles, and a wider waist, but very tight and looked right on him...
I just had to highlight this to show your poor bodybuilding knowledge...
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Your not trying to compare backs are you.... Arnold had him on pecs and biceps, end of discussion.
Absolutely not, just responded on what you said regarding waist and taper... Yes, arms and pecs go to Arnold, structure too, not much else... But apples and oranges, different times...
I just had to highlight this to show your poor bodybuilding knowledge...
So Arnold didn't have wider clavicles? Are you serious?
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Absolutely not, just responded on what you said regarding waist and taper... Yes, arms and pecs go to Arnold, structure too, not much else... But apples and oranges, different times...So Arnold didn't have wider clavicles? Are you serious?
.So Arnold didn't have wider clavicles? Are you serious?
You could only really tell if they were side-by-side and their bests
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Smaller waist yes but not better taper, Arnold had an amazing flowing taper with great lats insertions... Yates was also narrower, Arnold had larger clavicles, and a wider waist, but very tight and looked right on him...
Arnold has a generally bigger frame:taller,wider hips,wider clavicles and bigger rib cage.
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They're completely different eras. How can you even judge? They trained to appeal to different judging standard. Even if that wasn't the case, it barely makes sense to compare guys competing during the same era. You can find pics of Paul Dillet that look way better than Dorian, but Paul was never a threat for the title.
Not for nothin,someone said it a little earlier in the thread, but once Dorian bf% rose above 7% he looked like a sack of shit. And those were the good years.
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Arnold has a generally bigger frame:taller,wider hips,wider clavicles and bigger rib cage.
Exactly...You could only really tell if they were side-by-side and their bests
Sure... Arnold had wider clavicles and bigger rib cage, Yates was not narrow of course, lol, just compared to Arnold, in my honest opinion...
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They're completely different eras. How can you even judge?
You can't.
It's a stupid thing for Dorian to say and he knows it.
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Some of these early 90's pics of Dorian are exceptional
That's is just insane. He look like one of those bulls with a myostatyn deficiency
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Exactly...Sure... Arnold had wider clavicles and bigger rib cage, Yates was not narrow of course, lol, just compared to Arnold, in my honest opinion...
arnold even past his prime looks like a big guy even next to the likes of ronnie, all you have to do is picture him with prime mass to realise these bodyweights thrown around don't mean much when structures/frame size and bone thickness all contribute.
Can't find any pics of arnold and dorian together for comparison but here you can see arnolds frame size is superior to ronnies
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Dorian era is about 20 yrs ago.....imagine that. :-\
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You are living in the past man.
You're hung up on some lifter from the 60's man.
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You are living in the past man.
You're hung up on some lifter from the 60's man.
Seinfeld reference.
Bozo the clown
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haha, look at that mock up pic of dorian on arnolds book, he's like smashed arseholes, wider waist, smaller fucked up arms, thinner chest, thighs not as separated, no flow, it's not even funny
In reality Arnold wouldn't have stood a chance against The Shadow.
A few shots from the same contest:
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Here's Arnold at the age of 53...Same age as Dorian today. LMFAO. Dorian is a fukcing mess...
(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/arnold_schwarzenegger_2000_11_03.jpg)(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01414/2000-schwarzenegge_1414470i.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LJxpz_wa0N4/hqdefault.jpg)
I agree that picture of Arnold is amazing! (5% Homo) But not everyone ages like that - I love Samir, here's a picture of him at 53...
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2009/10/54300945-1.jpg)
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arnold even past his prime looks like a big guy even next to the likes of ronnie, all you have to do is picture him with prime mass to realise these bodyweights thrown around don't mean much when structures/frame size and bone thickness all contribute.
Can't find any pics of arnold and dorian together for comparison but here you can see arnolds frame size is superior to ronnies
Jeez, does Ronnie make his own suits or something..?
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Jeez, does Ronnie make his own suits or something..?
And Arnold is rumoured to be 6ft, not 6ft 2" and he's making Ronnie look like a midget in both pics. LOL
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exactly so give arnold his prime height and mass and imagine the difference, wouldn't also think arnolds 17 years older either.
And Arnold is rumoured to be 6ft, not 6ft 2" and he's making Ronnie look like a midget in both pics. LOL
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Meanwhile back in the real world Dorian will be at his booth at the ARNOLD classic selling fart powders while Arnold flies in on his Gulfstream 5 private jet. Even though I am a dorian fan, lets keep it real. Arnold is the best ever.Too bad he knows it.
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Reality.
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Arnold does not have wide clavicles - as well as the ability to build muscle on his delts what disguises this is, just like with his subtle waist twist, that he was a master at hiding them via hitching up his shoulders to give a wider, squarer look
But at moments of true relaxing (as well as scaled down mass) it can be seen that his clavicles are no more than average for a tall guy
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wMQrCkjmGvk/hqdefault.jpg)
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Excellent post, I was pointing this out earlier in the thread...
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Arnold does not have wide clavicles - as well as the ability to build muscle on his delts what disguises this is, just like with his subtle waist twist, that he was a master at hiding them via hitching up his shoulders to give a wider, squarer look
But at moments of true relaxing (as well as scaled down mass) it can be seen that his clavicles are no more than average for a tall guy
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wMQrCkjmGvk/hqdefault.jpg)
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He had even as a kid.Here he is taller,wider with actually smaller hips than the guys next to him.
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A comparison how Dorian and Arnold looked when they stood relaxed next to Lou Ferrigno.
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A comparison how Dorian and Arnold looked when they stood relaxed next to Lou Ferrigno.
Lou was over 300lbs when he stood next to an undersized Yates and Lou who stood next to Arnold was 265lbs
I would say by pure virtue Arnold had wider clavicles than Dorian simply because he was 6'1" and Dorian 5'10" but neither man had exceptionally wide or narrow clavicles like Wolf & Heath
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Lou was over 300lbs when he stood next to an undersized Yates and Lou who stood next to Arnold was 265lbs
I would say by pure virtue Arnold had wider clavicles than Dorian simply because he was 6'1" and Dorian 5'10" but neither man had exceptionally wide or narrow clavicles like Wolf & Heath
I can't be the only 6ft tall GetBigger that has shook hands with both these guys and looked just slightly downwards?? Come on? OK Dorian is slightly smaller but just by a hair - they are both under 6ft people!!!
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Bodybuilding is completely subjective, but as i said before, Arnold to me always looked like the guy with bigger frame and wider than Yates, just that... And they are actually close in height, in my opinion Arnold was never 6' foot, peak around 5'11-5'11.5, nothing more, Yates being around 5'10...
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Reality.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=579213.0;attach=647235;image)
Better than Kai:
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/8/3/830d0_ORIG-kai.jpg)
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Better than Kai:
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/8/3/830d0_ORIG-kai.jpg)
I'd imagine our very own Vince would look like this at 5%
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it's not easy to judge like that though, i'm 5'10 and can appear 2 inches shorter standing a certain way, everyone could. I've stood close to arnold and he was roughly 2-3 inches taller so i was told. I know a guy in his 60's who's around 6'1, when i speak to him i feel like we are eye level but when i catch a glimpse in a reflection notice he's easily 2 inches taller but he's got a stooping stance at times being older.
Musclemag and basile both measured arnold over 6'1", easily possible in his prime where he towered over most people he was pictured with. If he dwarfed eveyone in his peak at 5'10-11 all the guys at the 80 O need to have a few inches shaved off too.
I couldn't give a shit if arnolds 5ft but there's no way he was under 6ft peak
I can't be the only 6ft tall GetBigger that has shook hands with both these guys and looked just slightly downwards?? Come on? OK Dorian is slightly smaller but just by a hair - they are both under 6ft people!!!
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I can't be the only 6ft tall GetBigger that has shook hands with both these guys and looked just slightly downwards?? Come on? OK Dorian is slightly smaller but just by a hair - they are both under 6ft people!!!
Stop it Arnold was 6'1" 1/2 they rounded it off to 6'2"
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You can see there his shoulders are wide, he's stood with good posture and hasn't got the trap development of later which can make the shoulders look narrower because of the slope. If the other guys stood like arnold you can see they still aren't nearly as wide.
He was already doing his shoulder hitch thing, even from the get go- that is not him standing natural, that's him pretending to stand natural but aiming to look a lot bigger (and succeeding)
True relaxed shots show his shoulder frame looked nothing like that, note the slope of the traps
(http://www.schwarzenegger.com/index.php?ACT=52&fid=18&aid=1015_E9kWCq759xhSyUzg24rf&thumb=1&board_id=1)
(http://www1.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Arnold+Schwarzenegger+Leaving+Yoga+Class+2soqKMwlTwvl.jpg)
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Only on getbig will you see internet fights about a mans clavicle length. :D
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Lou was over 300lbs when he stood next to an undersized Yates and Lou who stood next to Arnold was 265lbs
I would say by pure virtue Arnold had wider clavicles than Dorian simply because he was 6'1" and Dorian 5'10" but neither man had exceptionally wide or narrow clavicles like Wolf & Heath
I agree with that.The comparisons with Lou were just to see their frames not muscle development.
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He was already doing his shoulder hitch thing, even from the get go- that is not him standing natural, that's him pretending to stand natural but aiming to look a lot bigger (and succeeding)
True relaxed shots show his shoulder frame looked nothing like that
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528496.0;attach=647135;image)
When trying to find out clavicle width don't look at posture(which can be sometimes good,sometimes bad) or the development of the deltoid muscle but rather look at the insertions where the traps are joining the shoulders.And an indicator for ribcage size is the width of the pecs.You can't have wide pecs on a small ribcage and vice versa.Just look at Phil Heath for proof.
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Here is a quote from Wayne DeMilia when he answers a question whether Ronnie is the greatest of all time.Source: Muscular Development December 2005:
"I couldn't answer that with a yes or no for the same reason I couldn't tell you whether Barry Bonds is better than Babe Ruth or vice a versa.It's different eras.It's different times,which means different training,different nutrition,different supplementation etc.To me Ronnie is the best in his era,just like Lee Haney was in his and Arnold before him.That's the only way you could look at it....It makes you wonder if Haney had access to all the nutritional knowledge that Ronnie has today,would he have been even better?THE SAME GOES FOR ARNOLD,WHO WAS ACTUALLY A PHYSICALLY BIGGER MAN THAN EITHER LEE OR RONNIE.HE WAS TALLER AND WIDER."(End of quote)
We know that Wayne was a IFBB chairman for many years so obviously he's seen them many times in person and next to each other.
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DeMillia talking like Arnolds dead there i past tense :-[
But yea he's spot on
Here is a quote from Wayne DeMilia when he answers a question whether Ronnie is the greatest of all time.Source: Muscular Development December 2005:
"I couldn't answer that with a yes or no for the same reason I couldn't tell you whether Barry Bonds is better than Babe Ruth or vice a versa.It's different eras.It's different times,which means different training,different nutrition,different supplementation etc.To me Ronnie is the best in his era,just like Lee Haney was in his and Arnold before him.That's the only way you could look at it....It makes you wonder if Haney had access to all the nutritional knowledge that Ronnie has today,would he have been even better?THE SAME GOES FOR ARNOLD,WHO WAS ACTUALLY A PHYSICALLY BIGGER MAN THAN EITHER LEE OR RONNIE.HE WAS TALLER AND WIDER."(End of quote)
We know that Wayne was a IFBB chairman for many years so obviously he's seen them many times in person and next to each other.
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Here is a quote from Wayne DeMilia when he answers a question whether Ronnie is the greatest of all time.Source: Muscular Development December 2005:
"I couldn't answer that with a yes or no for the same reason I couldn't tell you whether Barry Bonds is better than Babe Ruth or vice a versa.It's different eras.It's different times,which means different training,different nutrition,different supplementation etc.To me Ronnie is the best in his era,just like Lee Haney was in his and Arnold before him.That's the only way you could look at it....It makes you wonder if Haney had access to all the nutritional knowledge that Ronnie has today,would he have been even better?THE SAME GOES FOR ARNOLD,WHO WAS ACTUALLY A PHYSICALLY BIGGER MAN THAN EITHER LEE OR RONNIE.HE WAS TALLER AND WIDER."(End of quote)
We know that Wayne was a IFBB chairman for many years so obviously he's seen them many times in person and next to each other.
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You know how to paraphrase it :)
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Here is a quote from Wayne DeMilia when he answers a question whether Ronnie is the greatest of all time.Source: Muscular Development December 2005:
"I couldn't answer that with a yes or no for the same reason I couldn't tell you whether Barry Bonds is better than Babe Ruth or vice a versa.It's different eras.It's different times,which means different training,different nutrition,different supplementation etc.To me Ronnie is the best in his era,just like Lee Haney was in his and Arnold before him.That's the only way you could look at it....It makes you wonder if Haney had access to all the nutritional knowledge that Ronnie has today,would he have been even better?THE SAME GOES FOR ARNOLD,WHO WAS ACTUALLY A PHYSICALLY BIGGER MAN THAN EITHER LEE OR RONNIE.HE WAS TALLER AND WIDER."(End of quote)
We know that Wayne was a IFBB chairman for many years so obviously he's seen them many times in person and next to each other.
Arnold on today's drugs would look similar to Gunter. They both had the same wide waist. Arnold's chest may or may not dominate.
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arnold would beat all of them
he simply had the drive work and will power to do it
look at what he accomplished after his career was over, ronnie sells fart powder
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Dorian Yates says he would beat Arnold in a contest
How is this even a thing? Of course Dorian would beat Arnold! It wouldn't even be close.
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Arnold on today's drugs would look similar to Gunter. They both had the same wide waist. Arnold's chest may or may not dominate.
Gunter with Arnold's muscle bellies,mind and willpower would be dangerous.
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Arnold on today's drugs would look similar to Gunter. They both had the same wide waist. Arnold's chest may or may not dominate.
But what does that mean if it were true? Gunter did beat Ronnie
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Here is a quote from Wayne DeMilia when he answers a question whether Ronnie is the greatest of all time.Source: Muscular Development December 2005:
"I couldn't answer that with a yes or no for the same reason I couldn't tell you whether Barry Bonds is better than Babe Ruth or vice a versa.It's different eras.It's different times,which means different training,different nutrition,different supplementation etc.To me Ronnie is the best in his era,just like Lee Haney was in his and Arnold before him.That's the only way you could look at it....It makes you wonder if Haney had access to all the nutritional knowledge that Ronnie has today,would he have been even better?THE SAME GOES FOR ARNOLD,WHO WAS ACTUALLY A PHYSICALLY BIGGER MAN THAN EITHER LEE OR RONNIE.HE WAS TALLER AND WIDER."(End of quote)
We know that Wayne was a IFBB chairman for many years so obviously he's seen them many times in person and next to each other.
Yes because nutrition has changed SOOOO much...lol
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Fair points on the ribcage, not questioning that
But to say that the man in the pic below was blessed with wide clavicles is somewhat of a stretch, regardless of posture
As a means of reference look at his mutant half son who definitely does
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Schwarzenegger%2BArnold%2BSchwarzenegger%2BMalibu%2BSJMEIt1pP7Kl.jpg)
(http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-buys-son-joseph-baena-a-complete-home-gym-for-his-16th-birthday__oPt.jpg)
Keep posting pictures from bad angles of Arnold walking on the street completely relaxed ;D
There are other much better examples don't you think?
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I knew that Arnold at 68 reminded me of someone, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Then, in a sudden wave of nostalgia it all came flooding back to me.
Los del Rio - Macarena (Original Video) [HD]
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Schwarzenegger getting his ass kicked by Mike Mentzer in 1980. Mentzer was the true winner of that contest.
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Fair points on the ribcage, not questioning that
But to say that the man in the pic below was blessed with wide clavicles is somewhat of a stretch, regardless of posture
As a means of reference look at his mutant half son who definitely does
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Schwarzenegger%2BArnold%2BSchwarzenegger%2BMalibu%2BSJMEIt1pP7Kl.jpg)
(http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-buys-son-joseph-baena-a-complete-home-gym-for-his-16th-birthday__oPt.jpg)
Do you think his son inherited his clavicles from the maid?
We can find pictures of almost anyone looking narrow.Do you think Ferrigno or Moeller didn't have wide clavicles as well because of pictures like that?
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If Dorian used the same drug protocol as Arnold did, Dorian wouldn't come close to beating Arnold. And lets add that Dorian is one ugly mofo...
(http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac240/kennykola/KennyKola-DorianYatesGIF6000-COMPLETE.gif)
Fuck, he still got those lats.
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Arnold clearly has the clavicles to build good wide shoulders, his traps were very wide, check rear relaxed shots to see the volume of the traps. Ronnie and phil both have narrow clavicles which gives their traps a sort of pinched look
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Arnold on today's drugs would look similar to Gunter. They both had the same wide waist. Arnold's chest may or may not dominate.
Arnold shape & muscle attachments are nothing like Gunter's
The only thing that they have in common is they can both speak German
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Arnold clearly has the clavicles to build good wide shoulders, his traps were very wide, check rear relaxed shots to see the volume of the traps. Ronnie and phil both have narrow clavicles which gives their traps a sort of pinched look
Yates had wide clavicles
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Schwarzenegger getting his ass kicked by Mike Mentzer in 1980. Mentzer was the true winner of that contest.
Mentzer wasn't even close to being the winner and he spent the rest of his life whinging about it.
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Yates had wide clavicles
Compared to Ronnie ;D
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yea yates had good shoulder structure and wide traps but what was odd about them was the tie-ins, his most muscular didnt flow atall, the traps didn't look right.
Yates had wide clavicles
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Let's settle things: if they would have competed in the same era....Arnold would have destroyed Yates. 8)
Arnold would have been 300+
Get real ya folks........
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Standards have changed. People would rather look like Arnold....BUT his shallow legs would cost him dear today. How any 6'2 guys do well these days? There's a reason. Plus Arnold's delts next to Yates delts... Plus Hams and glutes.... '93 Yates would kill him.
To walk around a supermarket withy shirt off , doing the pec dance next to Danny Devito however ... I'd choose Arnold's physique every day!
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Great comparisons, look at the relaxed for example, arms, shoulders, chest all go down in size for yates and midsection increases. Dorians back double bi looks awkward, arms are smaller and biceps missing, arnold looks refined and flows perfect unlike yates
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what have Arnold given back to the bodybuilding world you can not even come close you pathetic little wanna be.show some respect cunnnnnnt.
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Great comparisons, look at the relaxed for example, arms, shoulders, chest all go down in size for yates and midsection increases. Dorians back double bi looks awkward, arms are smaller and biceps missing, arnold looks refined and flows perfect unlike yates
Arnold is a superior genectic being
For fair comparision you have to Imagine him at 320 lbs on stage with same condition than dorian
That s fact, gunter schlierkamp and ferrignos showings in the 90s are proving the Progress pf muscularity due to drugs
At least + 50-60 pounds and striated glutes just to effect of hgh tren and slin
Dorian still top 4 with Haney Coleman Arnold
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cool comparisons,,,some go to yates,some arnold,some close,,,arnold had unique structure/shape,and chest/bi's /back which on a tall man didn't exist then,only lou had same volume/thickness plus delts in 70's with shape too,,,yates signature poses were impressive ..
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Great job ARNIE1947.
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LOVED those comparison shots.
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LOVED those comparison shots.
Imagine Arnold 30+ lbs heavier and more leaned out......then you got a real comparison.
I don't know about back, but otherwise Arnold would have destroyed Yates.
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LOVED those comparison shots.
I bet you did. :-X