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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SaintAnger on September 08, 2015, 12:40:32 PM
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Actually, this seems like a good idea. Build the dying "sport" of mens pro bodybuilding back up through a bigger mens physique division. Makes sense. There are more genetically gifted bodybuilders in mens physique than in any other class.
But, it won't take long for the judges panel to fuck it all up. They'll reward the most drugged up guys on stage and then there goes the neighborhood. :-\
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Same people calling the shots, you're going to end up with the same shitty results.
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We all knew that this would be a plan. The competitors in men's physique division would get bigger, and they would be the basis for a re-vitalized men's bodybuilding.
Just like they had women's bodybuilding. And then came up with fitness, and then when they got bigger and more defined, then figure came about, especially for the women who were not ex-gymnasts. And then when they got bigger and more defined, bikini was developed.
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so basically what Classic Bodybuilding (sometimes called Athletic class) has been in Europe for a while, with height/weight ratios.
NAC:
• up to and including 170 cm:
height - 100 + 2 kg = maximum weight
• 171 cm up to and including 180 cm:
height - 100 + 3 kg = maximum weight
• over 180 cm:
height - 100 + 4 kg = maximum weight
IBFA:
H/P -173 - 0 kg
H/P + 173 - 0kg
H/P -173 + 4 kg
H/P + 173 + 6 kg
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Same people calling the shots, you're going to end up with the same shitty results.
Like trying to root for a few honest folk in a corrupt government. Move on.
The fact that they refuse to point the finger at themselves is the issue.
Same with FBB.
It's the judges who say who wins and who loses. If you don't want the freaks, then put them last.
Fuck people, it's not that hard.
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So how long are the shows going to be now?
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So how long are the shows going to be now?
SO LONG...
by the time mens bbers from sitting around all day/nite will shrink into classic bbeing look
classic guys will turn into mens physique
mens physique will whither into female figure competitors..
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So the NPC brings out a new division for quite a few of the competitors that think the Men's Physique class is not as muscular as they want to be, and that bodybuilding is too muscular. This new divisions, complete with shorts and posings, looks to be the answer that will satisfy quite a few competitors out there.
http://npcnewsonline.com/npc-announces-new-mens-division-classic-physique/218682/
(http://npcnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/news21.jpg)
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"This is more than just the announcement of NPC & IFBB Pro Classic Physique but also the changes being brought back to NPC & IFBB Pro Men's Physique, Women's Physique & Figure beginning January 1, 2016. Watch the video & read the rules"
As one competitor just wrote
With all the recently released NPC News, Will I FIT the 2016 criteria for Classic Physique? I have felt "small" for bodybuilding and Men's Physique really never interested me to the point of LOVING it!!
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Men's physique is a disgrace with a bunch of prima donna homos that spend more time in front of the mirror plucking thier eyebrows and contemplating on which man purse to carry than your average Orange County blonde girl
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I'd like to see what this turns into.
I think the men's physique division is not too bad. We want bodybuilding with classic lines that make people look better.
Bob Paris would probably be a very good example of a "classic physique" competitor based on the new NPC standards:
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(http://npcnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/news21.jpg)
I think this is what the "sport" needs. They need to go back to the look that appeals to the masses. I know people enjoy the cult-like following that pro-bodybuilding gets. But, let's be honest, if profits are starting to take a hit, these competitions will soon be phased out.
You make this appealing to the general masses and you will have a rebirth of professional bodybuilding.
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Wow, I literally was thinking about this last night. This is a great category. Its basically muscle mania but in the NPC/IFBB.
I'd expect the people in it to competing around 190-220 lbs depending on their height.
Basically the bodybuilders who are aesthetic with a thin waist, but not genetically gifted enough to pack on the muscle needed to make it to mens bodybuilding.
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Basically the bodybuilders who are aesthetic with a thin waist, but not genetically gifted enough to pack on the muscle needed to make it to mens bodybuilding.
Which is the way every bodybuilder should be like, aesthetic and with a thin waist.
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I'd like to see what this turns into. I think the men's physique division is not too bad. We want bodybuilding with classic lines that make people look better. Bob Paris would probably be a very good example of a "classic physique" competitor based on the new NPC standard
Correct - the physique in those pics should match out the classic division. Old school.
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Correct - the physique in those pics should match out the classic division. Old school.
I can't wait!
This is the type of bodybuilding that I grew up with. The type of bodybuilding that made me a fan of the industry.
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so basically what Classic Bodybuilding (sometimes called Athletic class) has been in Europe for a while, with height/weight ratios.
NAC:
• up to and including 170 cm:
height - 100 + 2 kg = maximum weight
• 171 cm up to and including 180 cm:
height - 100 + 3 kg = maximum weight
• over 180 cm:
height - 100 + 4 kg = maximum weight
IBFA:
H/P -173 - 0 kg
H/P + 173 - 0kg
H/P -173 + 4 kg
H/P + 173 + 6 kg
Several European countries have IFBB sanctioned classic bb classes as well.
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Just hope it doesn't diminish the sport though with all of these divisions. You kind of lose sense of any accomplishment when there is a 212 olympia champion, a mens bodybuilding champion, a physique champion, and a classic bodybuilding champion. And in the NPC with all these different weight classes for each division. It becomes a point when winning doesn't really mean much because 6 other people won too. You don't feel like you are the absolute best person in the building.
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(http://www.frankzane.com/images/cover_c.jpg)
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ronnies vacuum pose
(http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/593066/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL)
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I think Sadik competes at 190 or so. He can add a few pounds and enter CB.
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Branch will move down and dominate this new division
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So, how does Sev's nemesis Simeon Panda compete in this?
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The fact that they refuse to point the finger at themselves is the issue.
Same with FBB.
It's the judges who say who wins and who loses. If you don't want the freaks, then put them last.
Fuck people, it's not that hard.
agreed
they should fire themsleves
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So, how does Sev's nemesis Simeon Panda compete in this?
In theory, we could see a head-to-head matchup between the two :o
Sev's last show was in Classic.
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Yeah, the European weight to height ratio thing will be the only way to ensure that it just doesn't become another round of "up the dose" to win. Should probably go to the classic Greek neck to bicep to calve ratio or something to make it pleasing to your average Joe Schmoe...
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more fees for Dad and the Fat Son.
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In theory, we could see a head-to-head matchup between the two :o
Sev's last show was in Classic.
Awwwww...it will be Pandemonium!!!
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The NPC won`t get the judging criteria correct for years.
Then they`ll fuck it up by rewarding size eventually anyfuckingway.
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They should restructure the division's by the gear usage. Lightweight (Physique) = 500mg-1g/week Middleweight (Classic) = 1-3G/week Heavyweight (Pro) 4g+/week
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It is a step in the right direction and will be interesting to see how this new category works and how the judging will be.
This is how I imagine most current pros would look like if they tried to drop weight based on the classic bodybuilding class height/weight formula:
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We will not see the likes of Bob Paris any time soon. Board shorts pageants look silly because they lack legs and by that I mean proportional legs, not the grossly oversized inverted turnips of beings like Phil and Kai or even Wolf.
Let alone their guts.
I am a physical culturist.
Schmoes and the judges of today are more "physical vulturists" and size queens. Disgusting creatures.
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According to the classic formula for my height, the weight limit is 207 pounds. All I need to do now is lose 30 pounds of fat and put on 25 pounds of muscle and I am ready!
Using the Joon Formula, I will "bulk" over the winter on 2g+ and then "cut" in the spring and boom! It's showtime!
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The NPC won`t get the judging criteria correct for years.
Then they`ll fuck it up by rewarding size eventually anyfuckingway.
And they will create another new division
It's really getting silly. THAT is what mens bb should look like
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Appears to be an ideal opportunity for Sergi Constance and a few others presently competing outside of the NPC/IFBB.
I forecast that Constance will dominate this new division initially.
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ronnies vacuum pose
(http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/593066/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL)
The vacuum's full and needs to be emptied. :-X
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Men's physique seems to be morphing into this class anyway, the guys are gradually upping the dose and getting bigger without getting bloated. This new class will simply strip those dude of their board shorts in favor of classic trunks and reward those who have proportional calf & leg development. Hoping gut control and vacuum poses will be key elements in the new Classic class.
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Will be interesting to see this progress. Good prize money will spark more interest from competitors.
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love how the original post and others have been tuned up to exclude any unfavorable comment toward manion
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This is so awesome. It made my day.
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This is so awesome. It made my day.
It made my day too.
FACT!!!
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Is it going to be height and weight? Gotta get the manlets under control...
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It's about time. Now they just need to get rid about 4 other divisions to replace it. Sitting through an 8 hour prejudging (exaggerated a little....maybe) is just stupid.
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I hope they make the vacuum pose mandatory. That would be a good yardstick to judge by. If a competitor can't perform one, they get bumped to the slin division.
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http://npcnewsonline.com/classic-physique/ (http://npcnewsonline.com/classic-physique/)
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They're going to have to change the weight requirements. Much too low.
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From what I've seen it doesn't produce the kind of physiques that you are all lusting after... Its usualy the runts who havnt got the genes to do open classes
If they got rid of the men's bikini class and replaced it with this it would make more sense
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cautiously excited about this.
does this mean that all the youtube and instagram "stars" are all pros now?
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6ft.1 = 225LBS?
LOL I'm 6ft.1 and after years of training naturally I would need to be in the 180s to be 6% bodyfat. This is going to be the low dosages division, still impossible to compete naturally, maybe now Men's physique will become the viable division for naturals if they force them to slim down. I think with another 2 years serious training I may be able to get to a natural limit of 195lbs at 6% bodyfat but that would still be 30lbs of solid muscle under the classic physique division.
They should add a weight/height limit to physique and make it 30lbs lower.
The only shitty thing about this is that you will have guys who will weigh 250lbs+ on show day but will cut water before the weigh in... they should weigh them before they start their posing routine on stage.
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6ft.1 = 225LBS?
LOL I'm 6ft.1 and after years of training naturally I would need to be in the 180s to be 6% bodyfat. This is going to be the low dosages division, still impossible to compete naturally, maybe now Men's physique will become the viable division for naturals if they force them to slim down. I think with another 2 years serious training I may be able to get to a natural limit of 195lbs at 6% bodyfat but that would still be 30lbs of solid muscle under the classic physique division.
They should add a weight/height limit to physique and make it 30lbs lower.
Bodybuilding at the competitive level was never and will never be about being natural. If your desire is to compete natural then you probably should have forgot about the NPC shortly after you learned about it.
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http://npcnewsonline.com/classic-physique/ (http://npcnewsonline.com/classic-physique/)
Nubret would make the cut 6'0" @ 200 but Zane wouldn't 5'9" @ 187
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Classic bodybuilding is gone because they were only using steroids with hard training and dieting. A certain look is developed from the drugs you use so unless people stop using GH and insulin they would all look smooth as babies asses
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classic bodybuilding is gone because they were only using steroids with hard training and dieting. a certain look is developed from the drugs you use so unless people stop using GH and insulin they would all look smooth as babies asses
Maybe.
But the judges reward it.
It's not like bodybuilders are going up to judges and calling the shots.
I mean shit, even the fans don't like it. Bodybuilding has been on the decline for decades now. :'(
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From what I've seen it doesn't produce the kind of physiques that you are all lusting after... Its usualy the runts who havnt got the genes to do open classes. If they got rid of the men's bikini class and replaced it with this it would make more sense
these guys seem to have the genetics.
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could be something great hopefully.
no lat spread post front or back, no most muscular and side tricep poses as mandatory either.
as said it's front double bicep, rear double bicep, abs and thigh, side chest and classic pose of choice.
plus old style spandex trunks to hide glutes.
definitely going for the golden era feel.
i think we'll see guys like Sergio Oliva Jr, Calum Von Moger, maybe Ulisses Williams jr and Jaco Bruyn too.
but i think a lot of the ifbb amateur worlds competitors will enter this.
hope it takes off and rivals the men's open, need to turn bodybuilding back into an artform rather than a freak show!
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could be something great hopefully.
no lat spread post front or back, no most muscular and side tricep poses as mandatory either.
as said it's front double bicep, rear double bicep, abs and thigh, side chest and classic pose of choice.
plus old style spandex trunks to hide glutes.
definitely going for the golden era feel.
i think we'll see guys like Sergio Oliva Jr, Calum Von Moger, maybe Ulisses Williams jr and Jaco Bruyn too.
but i think a lot of the ifbb amateur worlds competitors will enter this.
hope it takes off and rivals the men's open, need to turn bodybuilding back into an artform rather than a freak show!
Sergio's way to big.
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yeah, just seen his contest weight is around 250 at 6'0.
thought it was around 230
he'd have to over 30lbs.
they should increase the weight restrictions a bit i think and just put more emphasis on the judging criteria.
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Which is the way every bodybuilder should be like, aesthetic and with a thin waist.
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100% and i agree Bob Paris was and is an ideal role model.
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Men's Bodybuilding has always been muscularity vs. symmetry. It is hard to accomplish both, although quite a few bodybuilders did it (aka Flex Wheeler)
But, we have a ton of fans that want to mass monsters, aka the Mr. Olympia. A lot of fans that believe that these guys are the ultimate form of bodybulders. Markus Ruhl, Dennis Wolf, Phil Heath, Kai Greene. These are the guys that draw the hardcore fans.
But, Classic Bodybuilding is the days of classic poses, where symmetry ruled, not muscularity. There are fans for both.
Funny, when I am backstage sometimes, and I ask some of the modern bodybuilders (usually amateurs) to give me a classic pose, many of them have a hard time on it, as they don't practice on them. (Think of Arnold poses)
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Men's Bodybuilding has always been muscularity vs. symmetry. It is hard to accomplish both, although quite a few bodybuilders did it (aka Flex Wheeler)
But, we have a ton of fans that want to mass monsters, aka the Mr. Olympia. A lot of fans that believe that these guys are the ultimate form of bodybulders. Markus Ruhl, Dennis Wolf, Phil Heath, Kai Greene. These are the guys that draw the hardcore fans.
But, Classic Bodybuilding is the days of classic poses, where symmetry ruled, not muscularity. There are fans for both.
Funny, when I am backstage sometimes, and I ask some of the modern bodybuilders (usually amateurs) to give me a classic pose, many of them have a hard time on it, as they don't practice on them. (Think of Arnold poses)
The Vacuum ...even big guys like Pearl did a great one back in the Day...
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It's a good idea and will be very successful.
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To everyone who has referenced Bob Paris as a perfect example of classic bodybuilding- please turn off your computer and go back to bed, you're clearly dreaming.
Bob Paris had a once-in-a-lifetime, completely unobtainable physique. He never won a single IFBB Pro show and his last victory was in July, 1983- yet he is still talked about daily.
Nobody, and I mean nobody can look like Bob Paris other than... Bob Paris.
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To everyone who has referenced Bob Paris as a perfect example of classic bodybuilding- please turn off your computer and go back to bed, you're clearly dreaming.
Bob Paris had a once-in-a-lifetime, completely unobtainable physique. He never won a single IFBB Pro show and his last victory was in July, 1983- yet he is still talked about daily.
Nobody, and I mean nobody can look like Bob Paris other than... Bob Paris.
he was at his peak close to 230/240 onstage and as low one mro o 218 or 220 and looked flat/small,,he was still pretty big by far with as u said unattainable look/build/shape...a friend of mine said he saw him in cali and what struck him was his calves looked like footballs were sewn in.
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To everyone who has referenced Bob Paris as a perfect example of classic bodybuilding- please turn off your computer and go back to bed, you're clearly dreaming.
Bob Paris had a once-in-a-lifetime, completely unobtainable physique. He never won a single IFBB Pro show and his last victory was in July, 1983- yet he is still talked about daily.
Nobody, and I mean nobody can look like Bob Paris other than... Bob Paris.
Great post Tommy...he was even called the new Steve Reeves. I think that says it all .
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:)
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http://npcnewsonline.com/classic-physique/ (http://npcnewsonline.com/classic-physique/)
Height and weight should have been done along time ago. Would have helped keep shit under control.
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Height and weight should have been done along time ago. Would have helped keep shit under control.
AAU HAD IT RUNNING WELL/NABBA TOO,AND HAD SOME AWESOME 80/90'S PHYSIQUES TO SHOW FOR IT...
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They're going to have to change the weight requirements. Much too low.
Nope...That's where the problems start. Those weights will keep drug use to a moderate amount in a lot of cases...It should also keep the balloon legs in check and will keep the belly in check...
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AAU HAD IT RUNNING WELL/NABBA TOO,AND HAD SOME AWESOME 80/90'S PHYSIQUES TO SHOW FOR IT...
Wasn't the AAU just height?
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Wasn't the AAU just height?
YEAH ,BUT STILL YOU HAD DIFFERENT LOOKS/BUILDS ..
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It'll turn into another clown parade, no doubt.
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It'll turn into another clown parade, no doubt.
And they will create yet another division. Most people I know think this ie great and I do too but I think this is what the open bodybuilding should look like. People keep saying everyone wants to see mass monsters. Who would that be? The people who come to the Olympia? Other than that unless there's an NPC event going on, other than the Arnold which pro bodybuilding show are a sell out and highly attended
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To everyone who has referenced Bob Paris as a perfect example of classic bodybuilding- please turn off your computer and go back to bed, you're clearly dreaming.
Bob Paris had a once-in-a-lifetime, completely unobtainable physique. He never won a single IFBB Pro show and his last victory was in July, 1983- yet he is still talked about daily.
Nobody, and I mean nobody can look like Bob Paris other than... Bob Paris.
You are right he was great.
However, we simply don't see anything close to that on stage today because the judges would never even give that person a pro card. The person who wants to look like this would give up bodybuilding before abusing their body to the point where they could mutate into a mass monster.
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Branch will move down and dominate this new division
ha ha ha ;D
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I think GOKU is pretty damn accurate concerning Calum Von Moger, Ulisses Williams jr, and Jaco Bruyn., but definitely not Oliva, Jr.
And add to that 'lineup" Panda and definitely Sergi Constance.
I would not be too damn surprised if this this new division was initiated due to their popularity.
It's interesting to note that a European friend said that the biggest lineup at one of the major fitness expos was for the likes of Constance and Jeff Seid.
I realize that there is a lot of 'dis-like' for Jeff, but my only concern is ... "Why is he held in such high esteem within the Physique empire?"
I am not familiar this "height" and "weight" requirement and have no knowledge regarding the height and weight of the above named individuals but it would be interesting if some knowledgeable GetBigger (WIGGS???!!!) could do some Height and weight research and name those individuals within the game who could decently represent that criteria..... Namely Ulysses, Panda, Constance, Van Bruyn, and Von Moger.
And any other up and coming new division threat.
Thanks.
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COACH, You complained about sitting through an 8 hour prejudging session .... and I would agree if I had to do so ....
BUT ....There ain't too many stay that long. Even the judges take a break.
Most of the fans, gym and family members only stay during the event that they are interested in seeing, so most would only be sitting there for two hours max.
Once that event is over, they get up and leave and new fans, etc., fill those seats.
I don't have any stats to prove this but I have a strong feeling that the audience is actually a 2X to 3X turnover which definitely is ideal for the promoter.
The important thing here is that the promoter should make every effort to let one and all (competitors and audience alike) know the approximate times each prejudging class/event will start.
That's harder said than done but if computed accurately ... it would be of great benefit for one and all.
And no one would have to sit on their ass for 8 hours waiting for the fat lady to sing.
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TOMMY WB, I totally agree with you concerning PARIS but I think we are starting to see some great physiques that have never been seen before .
In other word 'History being made!"
By the way, years ago we took Bob and threw him into the DOLPHIN POOL (voluntarily) and Bob did not want to come out saying that he was actually communicating with the animal.
They might have exchanged telephone numbers!
And shortly after Bob, we did the same with Cory Everson and the animals refused to let her out.
They loved her way too much and did not want her to leave the tank.
Two interesting occurrences. And both very true.
If you see either of them, just ask.
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And they will create yet another division. Most people I know think this ie great and I do too but I think this is what the open bodybuilding should look like. People keep saying everyone wants to see mass monsters. Who would that be? The people who come to the Olympia? Other than that unless there's an NPC event going on, other than the Arnold which pro bodybuilding show are a sell out and highly attended
If the Snake oil supp companies give sponsorship to the classic guys and drop all the mass monsters, that's when you'll see change. Also drop prize money for the open and give the largest prize to the classic and you will see change. Like people have said, the real genetics are with the fruity mens division(no homo)...The open is basically just manlets with massive amounts of drugs...
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no one has come close to zane and he won 3 olympias.
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more fees for Dad and the Fat Son.
great and accurate post
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They're going to have to change the weight requirements. Much too low.
That's what I was thinking!
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so basically what Classic Bodybuilding (sometimes called Athletic class) has been in Europe for a while, with height/weight ratios.
NAC:
• up to and including 170 cm:
height - 100 + 2 kg = maximum weight
• 171 cm up to and including 180 cm:
height - 100 + 3 kg = maximum weight
• over 180 cm:
height - 100 + 4 kg = maximum weight
IBFA:
H/P -173 - 0 kg
H/P + 173 - 0kg
H/P -173 + 4 kg
H/P + 173 + 6 kg
Yup. This is a doping free class of the bodybuilding...or it is meant to be, but it is not. In fact there isn't such thing, because they have tested these classic competitors, fitness etc. competitors, and many of them have been giving a positive sample. You can't get gear out from the sport, period. Not until you test everybody once a week trough the year..
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Yup. This is a doping free class of the bodybuilding...or it is meant to be, but it is not. In fact there isn't such thing, because they have tested these classic competitors, fitness etc. competitors, and many of them have been giving a positive sample. You can't get gear out from the sport, period. Not until you test everybody once a week trough the year..
Its got nothing to do with testing and being drug free, .... No steroid=no bodybuild......
Altho talking to a few old faces in the gym I used to compete against years ago, we were joking on about a 2ml a week class, or a £50 a month ( drug bill ) class