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http://news.yahoo.com/personal-trainers-sweat-washington-d-c-readies-rules-110445263.html
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Ridiculous.
What are they gonna do, have a test to see if the trainer can count to ten?
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Ridiculous.
What are they gonna do, have a test to see if the trainer can count to ten?
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I recently confronted a PT with his BS claim that he was able to burn 70 pounds of pure fat in only 3 months, so yeah, some regulation makes sense...
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Ridiculous.
What are they gonna do, have a test to see if the trainer can count to ten?
Well, most professions have governing boards (dentists, medical doctors, physical therapists, social work/psychology, nursing, occupational therapy, speech/language pathology, etc). Governing boards are useful for handling, as the article says, issues of sexual misconduct or injury. Without a governing board, who is regulating personal trainers that do unethical things toward their clients? If a personal trainer does something unethical, who do they answer to? I mean, not every ethical issue is severe enough to be handled by the cops, but still needs attention brought to a governing board. Maybe I am wrong about this. Perhaps someone here who works with athletes on a daily basis can provide me with information about this. It is obviously not my strongsuit.
The governing board should only be used when dealing with areas of gross negligence and regulating specific unethical practices. Other than that, it should "lay low."
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It shouldnt be regulated,people just should do their researchand not be so stupid.
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I've yet to see any clients of any personal trainers in my gym that have improved.
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The governing board should only be used when dealing with areas of gross negligence and regulating specific unethical practices. Other than that, it should "lay low."
That's what insurance if for.
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That's what insurance if for.
That's where elementary school is for..
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It shouldnt be regulated,people just should do their researchand not be so stupid.
But then why are other professions regulated? Why regulated medical doctors and dentists, etc?
The issue with people doing the research is that it fails to take into account the accountability of the actual professional. No matter what doctor I go to, I am under the assumption that a medical doctor is going to do right by me. You can't apply the notion of "buyer beware" to medical professionals. The patient is not to blame when a doctor fucks up. Buyer beware is applicable when youre buying a piece of furniture or a car. Not when going to a doctor. Of course youre going to go and try to find the best doctor you can, but doctors (and people in other professions) take an oath to do "no harm." The point is that people are stupid when it comes to medicine, thus why we put so much hope in doctors to do the right thing. Again, if you go to a doctor who fucks up, the notion of "buyer beware" should not apply, and it doesn't, which is why when a doctor fucks up, they are held accountable (lose their license, jailed or pay a fine). Again, this applies to most other professions (dentists, occupational therapists, social workers, nurses, etc.).
Might I add that governing boards do a lot more than just look at unethical issues. They ensure that universities are maintaining a certain standard of education and practice, i.e., if a school wants to be accredited, they can't teach whatever they want. Well, they can, they just wont be accredited. Its their choice.
Why shouldn't it apply to personal trainers? I am not saying it should, but I am asking why it shouldn't.
Just playing devils advocate.
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Why if thif even an iffue? Yef, perfonal trainerf fhould be regulated. Do infurance policief impofe fanctionf on deviouf and otherwife unemployable fwindlerf?
I see what you did there!!! LMAO!!! ;D ;D
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Why if thif even an iffue? Yef, perfonal trainerf fhould be regulated. Do infurance policief impofe fanctionf on deviouf and otherwife unemployable fwindlerf?
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That's where elementary school is for..
Are you saying you can do my job with you're current knowledge? lol
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That's what insurance if for.
Typical. You mess someone up with training gimmicks and let someone else pay for the damages.
This regulation is a great idea. Will keep people from being injured and fleeced by incompetent buffoons.
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Typical. You mess someone up with training gimmicks and let someone else pay for the damages.
Go back to your moms basement and shut the fuck up or make yourself known....pussy.
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Are you saying you can do my job with you're current knowledge? lol
You have to be trolling, right, Coach? ;D ;D
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Are you saying you can do my job with you're current knowledge? lol
Anyone could. I think I have a spare tire down in the garage. Knowledge ::)
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I've never not worked out at a place where half the trainers were sleezy pervs. They're spot on about sexual misconduct in that industry...
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It shouldnt be regulated,people just should do their researchand not be so stupid.
A lot of women that have never worked out before go into the gym and get a trainer. These little pricks are asking them out and shit...That happens in a doctors office and doctor won't last too long. But in this industry, the woman just leaves the gym and never comes back. PErsonal trainers have been out of control for some time now. They need to reel that shit in along with the supp industry.
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A lot of women that have never worked out before go into the gym and get a trainer. These little pricks are asking them out and shit...That happens in a doctors office and doctor won't last too long. But in this industry, the woman just leaves the gym and never comes back. PErsonal trainers have been out of control for some time now. They need to reel that shit in along with the supp industry.
Which is why I said this above:
But then why are other professions regulated? Why regulated medical doctors and dentists, etc?
The issue with people doing the research is that it fails to take into account the accountability of the actual professional. No matter what doctor I go to, I am under the assumption that a medical doctor is going to do right by me. You can't apply the notion of "buyer beware" to medical professionals. The patient is not to blame when a doctor fucks up. Buyer beware is applicable when youre buying a piece of furniture or a car. Not when going to a doctor. Of course youre going to go and try to find the best doctor you can, but doctors (and people in other professions) take an oath to do "no harm." The point is that people are stupid when it comes to medicine, thus why we put so much hope in doctors to do the right thing. Again, if you go to a doctor who fucks up, the notion of "buyer beware" should not apply, and it doesn't, which is why when a doctor fucks up, they are held accountable (lose their license, jailed or pay a fine). Again, this applies to most other professions (dentists, occupational therapists, social workers, nurses, etc.).
Might I add that governing boards do a lot more than just look at unethical issues. They ensure that universities are maintaining a certain standard of education and practice, i.e., if a school wants to be accredited, they can't teach whatever they want. Well, they can, they just wont be accredited. Its their choice.
Why shouldn't it apply to personal trainers? I am not saying it should, but I am asking why it shouldn't.
Just playing devils advocate.
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Oh brother ::)
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Anyone could. I think I have a spare tire down in the garage. Knowledge ::)
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Personally, if youre in any profession where you are directly working with patients/clients/participants, there should be some regulation or oversight.
I still don't know why its expected of every other profession except personal trainers. ??? ???
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Go back to your moms basement and shut the fuck up or make yourself known....pussy.
Proverbs 29:11 - A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.
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;D ;D
Personally, if youre in any profession where you are directly working with patients/clients/participants, there should be some regulation or oversight.
I still don't know why its expected of every other profession except personal trainers. ??? ???
And what are they going to regulate genius? Everything they intend to regulate is covered in most insurance policies. All the way from child molestation to sexual harassment.
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Proverbs 29:11 - A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.
;D ;D
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Coach: Why are you so opposed to them trying to protect people from being RIPPED OFF? Everyone on this board knows the deal.
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Coach: Why are you so opposed to them trying to protect people from being RIPPED OFF? Everyone on this board knows the deal.
Governing board do a lot of different things to regulate professional fields.
Further, are insurance companies allowed to revoke peoples certifications or licenses for misconduct? Even if an insurance company handles a lawsuit against a personal trainer, are insurance companies allowed to revoke the PT's certificate, so they can't practice any more? Governing boards are allowed to do so.
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Coach: Why are you so opposed to them trying to protect people from being RIPPED OFF? Everyone on this board knows the deal.
Because the majority of them are good trainers, obide by good ethical standards and the majority of trainers that are certified by reputable organizations must keep up with their CEU's in order to stay certified. Even Dr. Are required to do a certain about of CEU's either each year or every couple of years to retain their own certs.
I remember Eric Cressy saying with the about of education out their regarding training he wouldn't have wasted $200k on a formal education. Good certifications are worth more than any formal degree in this field. That's just a fact.
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Because the majority of them are good trainers, obide by good ethical standards and the majority of trainers that are certified by reputable organizations must keep up with their CEU's in order to stay certified. Even Dr. Are required to do a certain about of CEU's either each year or every couple of years to retain their own certs.
I remember Eric Cressy saying with the about of education out their regarding training he wouldn't have wasted $200k on a formal education. Good certifications are worth more than any formal degree in this field. That's just a fact.
You think a certification is worth more than a Ph.D or an actual MD?
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You think a certification is worth more than a Ph.D or an actual MD?
Really depends on the degree. For what you just mentioned, of course not but even they have to keep up with continuing education (like I said).
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Really depends on the degree. For what you just mentioned, of course not but even they have to keep up with continuing education (like I said).
That's fair.
I can see where a certification and experience could easily equate and, in fact ,often be better than a bachelors degree in something like exercise and sports physiology.
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Good because most personal trainers are shit. They follow outdated principles that don't give good results and work with clients who have zero motivation and they have no clue how to motivate them.
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Hey Coach? Do you not believe that there should be a governing body of trainers? Not necessarily government, but just a governing group?
Similarly to the BAR or Medical board?
Trainers can cause a lot of damage to the human body and hurt people if they are not good.
What do you think?
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That's fair.
I can see where a certification and experience could easily equate and, in fact ,often be better than a bachelors degree in something like exercise and sports physiology.
Pre-requisites for some degrees have become nothing more than a revenue stream for universities. Now a days they require you obtain a doctorate before you become a physical therapist. In this artical that I posted it mentioned that they appoint a board of physical therapists to educate trainers (or something like that) but the problem is most physical therapists aren't trainers or strength and conditioning coaches. Each year (I'm doing another one in January) I do a presentation for about 3-4 local physical therapy offices teaching programming and proper movement. If the physical therapist (many are strength coaches who have no clue on how to program) don't know how to program based on the sciences they've learned then what good is it? Same with Kinisiology and Ex Sci graduates or interns. They don't know how to apply programming to coinside with the sciences they've been taught.
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Really, "obide." That's a very queer QWERTY you got there. The O is even close to the A on mine. Come on, Coach. :-[
Spell check. Whatever.
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Good because most personal trainers are shit. They follow outdated principles that don't give good results and work with clients who have zero motivation and they have no clue how to motivate them.
That's because 99% on here go to a box gym where they employ 18 year old kids and neither know any better.
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Are you saying you can do my job with you're current knowledge? lol
Most can be learned when the motivation is there. At least I can speak English to my clients.
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Most can be learned when the motivation is there. At least I can speak English to my clients.
I usually get stupid responses like this when the poster (you) can't answer the question. If you think motivation is all it takes then you're one of the reasons why trainers get a bad rap.
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I usually get stupid responses like this when the poster (you) can't answer the question. If you think motivation is all it takes then you're one of the reasons why trainers get a bad rap.
That's just an assumption based on... nothing. Motivation however, is one of the key principles to master something, since willpower is the best predictor to success.
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Typical. You mess someone up with training gimmicks and let someone else pay for the damages.
Are you saying Coach is rabidly backing socialist policies?
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That's just an assumption based on... nothing. Motivation however, is one of the key principles to master something, since willpower is the best predictor to success.
I was referring to you commenting on my spelling error. Anyway motivation is great how ever we're not paid to be cheerleaders we're paid to get results without injuring the client.
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Are you saying Coach is rabidly backing socialist policies?
Biggest socialist on this board. Don't be fooled by his rhetoric. Oh, he will promote capitalism for everyone else, but wants his government guaranteed.
Just like this thread, everyone else can obtain degrees of education, endure apprenticeship or internship, work your way up the corporate latter, serve in the military, run a regulated business, etc. Putting in the work is for the rest of us.
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But then why are other professions regulated? Why regulated medical doctors and dentists, etc?
The issue with people doing the research is that it fails to take into account the accountability of the actual professional. No matter what doctor I go to, I am under the assumption that a medical doctor is going to do right by me. You can't apply the notion of "buyer beware" to medical professionals. The patient is not to blame when a doctor fucks up. Buyer beware is applicable when youre buying a piece of furniture or a car. Not when going to a doctor. Of course youre going to go and try to find the best doctor you can, but doctors (and people in other professions) take an oath to do "no harm." The point is that people are stupid when it comes to medicine, thus why we put so much hope in doctors to do the right thing. Again, if you go to a doctor who fucks up, the notion of "buyer beware" should not apply, and it doesn't, which is why when a doctor fucks up, they are held accountable (lose their license, jailed or pay a fine). Again, this applies to most other professions (dentists, occupational therapists, social workers, nurses, etc.).
Might I add that governing boards do a lot more than just look at unethical issues. They ensure that universities are maintaining a certain standard of education and practice, i.e., if a school wants to be accredited, they can't teach whatever they want. Well, they can, they just wont be accredited. Its their choice.
Why shouldn't it apply to personal trainers? I am not saying it should, but I am asking why it shouldn't.
Just playing devils advocate.
The problem here is that medicine is both science and an art. Diagnosing patients is often inaccurate. We all know this. Sometimes we go get a second opinion. Occasionally they don't get it right. What we do assume is that the doctors are properly trained and are competent. Even here we often have doubts when we present to doctors trained outside the country we reside in.
In Australia fitness professionals are regulated. There are minimum requirements and instructors have to take extra courses to remain registered. At the moment there are no regulations for gym owners. However, anyone who instructs others in a gym or fitness facility must be properly trained. In the past when these regulations started they had a grandparenting scheme where long time gym instructors could get accredited. Now everyone has to take courses.
Has the level of instruction improved in recent years because we have these rules? Perhaps. I prefer to hire people who have done bodybuilding over those who merely took courses.
Someone in the government formulates rules and often those giving courses for instructors get involved re making the rules. I honestly don't think most courses for instructors are long enough or thorough enough.
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Biggest socialist on this board. Don't be fooled by his rhetoric. Oh, he will promote capitalism for everyone else, but wants his government guaranteed.
Just like this thread, everyone else can obtain degrees of education, endure apprenticeship or internship, work your way up the corporate latter, serve in the military, run a regulated business, etc. Putting in the work is for the rest of us.
What the fuck does that even mean gimmick? Explain it.
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The problem here is that medicine is both science and an art. Diagnosing patients is often inaccurate. We all know this. Sometimes we go get a second opinion. Occasionally they don't get it right. What we do assume is that the doctors are properly trained and are competent. Even here we often have doubts when we present to doctors trained outside the country we reside in.
In Australia fitness professionals are regulated. There are minimum requirements and instructors have to take extra courses to remain registered. At the moment there are no regulations for gym owners. However, anyone who instructs others in a gym or fitness facility must be properly trained. In the past when these regulations started they had a grandparenting scheme where long time gym instructors could get accredited. Now everyone has to take courses.
Has the level of instruction improved in recent years because we have these rules? Perhaps. I prefer to hire people who have done bodybuilding over those who merely took courses.
Someone in the government formulates rules and often those giving courses for instructors get involved re making the rules. I honestly don't think most courses for instructors are long enough or thorough enough.
So, if a personal trainer harms a client via sexual harassment or physical injury, is there license removed? What happens to them?
If there is no governing board to revokes licenses/certifications due to unethical behavior or misconduct, then who is regulating these trainers? Are they allowed to continue training and potentially hurting other clients? As stated, in medicine, if you display unethical behavior, your license may be removed (depending on what you did) and you can't practice medicine any more. Is this the same for personal trainers in Australia? If not, should it be? Or should we adhere to the idea of "buyer beware" when it comes to choose a personal trainer? Or should there be a governing body who decides who is fit to be a personal trainer and who isn't, based on past behavior?
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Coach we have a guy in our city who runs a gym. No qualifications in any field, he claims to be a bodybuilder yet finished deadlast in the beginners category in his only show last year. I'll post a pic when I'm on the laptop, just on the phone posting now
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Coach we have a guy in our city who runs a gym. No qualifications in any field, he claims to be a bodybuilder yet finished deadlast in the beginners category in his only show last year. I'll post a pic when I'm on the laptop, just on the phone posting now
Admittedly you see that crap everywhere. Just see Instagram. You have these "fitness" chicks that are probably all of 20 years old with online training businesses that regurgitate magazine meal plans and sell them to young girls who want to look like them. But here's my feeling on it. Most of the certs are legit (NCSA, NASM, ACE, NSCA CSCS, etc) Bottom line it doesn't matter if you're a personal trainer, strength coach, Doctor or contractor, if you get your licence suspended or revoked it's not going to stop that person from practicing. It'll stop when you get caught. It ruins reputations and that alone will put you out of business. If it's sexual harassment, rape, child molestation you're going to jail anyway.
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I was referring to you commenting on my spelling error. Anyway motivation is great how ever we're not paid to be cheerleaders we're paid to get results without injuring the client.
Pay attention, I wasn't talking about motivating a client. in order to develop certain skills, YOU as a professional need motivation.
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Has anyone actually been to a government office, recently?
The waist of a typical government employee is about 50", and they're gonna regulate the fitness industry.
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Bottom line it doesn't matter if you're a personal trainer, strength coach, Doctor or contractor, if you get your licence suspended or revoked it's not going to stop that person from practicing. It'll stop when you get caught. It ruins reputations and that alone will put you out of business.
What an idiotic statement. A medical doctor practicing medicine without a license is subject to very serious criminal charges. Some barely educated physical trainer "practicing" (that's laughable in itself) his craft without a "cert" (also laughable) is not subject to any censure at all, other than perhaps having to move to another Planet Fitness if exposed. Few industries have more useless conmen than the physical training business.
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Here's a photo of him. Piece of lying shit
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Comparing degrees and certs for PT is a complete red herring if discussing fitness industry regulation.
Of course there should be some level of oversight and accountability within the personal training industry.
In general it is a shite, everyman for himself, low grade human being, cut corners, zero loyalty, no career progression industry.
Anything that ultimately raises standards, improves trust, rewards ethical companies whilst also punishing those who ruin what could be a great profession should be praised.
Coach, you should know all of this.
If you're wary just because you expect the State to completely balls it up, then of course I agree with you.
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What an idiotic statement. A medical doctor practicing medicine without a license is subject to very serious criminal charges. Some barely educated physical trainer "practicing" (that's laughable in itself) his craft without a "cert" (also laughable) is not subject to any censure at all, other than perhaps having to move to another Planet Fitness if exposed. Few industries have more useless conmen than the physical training business.
This. Medical doctors who have their licenses suspended are not practicing int he USA. Most American doctors who get their license removed, and want to continue practicing, move out of the USA to practice. Those that continue to practice in the USA, are taking a huge risk. The AMA keeps a pretty close eye on this stuff, so I highly doubt that there are many doctors practicing without a license.
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What an idiotic statement. A medical doctor practicing medicine without a license is subject to very serious criminal charges. Some barely educated physical trainer "practicing" (that's laughable in itself) his craft without a "cert" (also laughable) is not subject to any censure at all, other than perhaps having to move to another Planet Fitness if exposed. Few industries have more useless conmen than the physical training business.
I'm fully aware of that but it happens all the time. That's why I said WHEN they get caught. If I remember correctly Michael Jackson's and Joan Rivers Doctors had something going on with their licenses but I can't remember the violations.
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Comparing degrees and certs for PT is a complete red herring if discussing fitness industry regulation.
Of course there should be some level of oversight and accountability within the personal training industry.
In general it is a shite, everyman for himself, low grade human being, cut corners, zero loyalty, no career progression industry.
Anything that ultimately raises standards, improves trust, rewards ethical companies whilst also punishing those who ruin what could be a great profession should be praised.
Coach, you should know all of this.
If you're wary just because you expect the State to completely balls it up, then of course I agree with you.
I'm very aware. The oversight should come within the industry by the companies that offer the certs. Most know what the reputable ones are. There are also colleges that offer I think two year programs for trainers who wish to make careers out it. This include internships which we do all the time. I'm all in favor of this type of regulation but whatever regulations there are, the government has to stay out of it.
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yes it's true we need to rein in the scamming trainers
bring the fist of government down and smite them
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Unless that person is on the Seattle Seahawks.
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/d/a/Seattle-Seahawks
assault, kidnapping, choking women... Culture of Sexual Deviants.
You're seriously getting really fucking irritating trolling every thread I post. You're legit troll. Not even close to kidding.
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You're seriously getting really fucking irritating trolling every thread I post. You're legit troll. Not even close to kidding.
you need to step up your pm reply game :( 8) :-X
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you need to step up your pm reply game :( 8) :-X
Hahaha, I'm still at work trying to close up. I'll answer. I always do.
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Hahaha, I'm still at work trying to close up. I'll answer. I always do.
just busting your balls--youve been great for the advice for me
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http://news.yahoo.com/personal-trainers-sweat-washington-d-c-readies-rules-110445263.html
It never ceases to amaze me that people feel a need for a personal trainer. How pathetic have modern people become? How hard is it to move your fucking body and control what you eat. Jeezus fucking Christ I swear I was born on another planet.
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It never ceases to amaze me that people feel a need for a personal trainer. How pathetic have modern people become? How hard is it to move your fucking body and control what you eat. Jeezus fucking Christ I swear I was born on another planet.
Well, its quite obvious youre just more brilliant than everyone else on this planet!!!!
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Well, its quite obvious youre just more brilliant than everyone else on this planet!!!!
Brilliant! Really? You mean you see the natural inclination to move and eat enough calories to do so as brilliance. Fuck, what has this world come to. Do you need a hand wiping your own arse?
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the main function of the trainer is to induce enough guilt to motivate a client to arrive at the gym
people tend to show up if they've paid someone else to meet them there
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Brilliant! Really? You mean you see the natural inclination to move and eat enough calories to do so as brilliance. Fuck, what has this world come to. Do you need a hand wiping your own arse?
Yes, you are absolutely brilliant. Everyone is beneath you. You are so far ahead of everyone else. We can only stare in great awe at your magnificence.
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the main function of the trainer is to induce enough guilt to motivate a client to arrive at the gym
people tend to show up if they've paid someone else to meet them there
Is that a blanket statement for all trainers and coaches?
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Brilliant! Really? You mean you see the natural inclination to move and eat enough calories to do so as brilliance. Fuck, what has this world come to. Do you need a hand wiping your own arse?
Again, is that a blanket statement for all trainers and coaches that work with all demographics?
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Well, there are two professions you can learn in 30 min. Personal trainer and prostitute.
Maybe they are one in the same. ???
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Again, is that a blanket statement for all trainers and coaches that work with all demographics?
Yes, Personal trainers are just one of the many pointless and unnecessary occupations that make up this crazy world. I am sick and tired of seeing these morons crowd gyms and get in the way of those who have no problem with motivating themselves to train. What is it they do exactly? They are like the golf caddies of the bodybuilding world, passing the weights to their clients who obviously have too much money for their own good. Oh, I forgot, they say ridiculous, meaningless dribble in between their dumbbell re-racking service. To be a personal trainer is humiliating and embarrassing, do these people have no shame?
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Is that a blanket statement for all trainers and coaches?
yes I find it to be generally true for all trainers and coaches
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Well, there are two professions you can learn in 30 min. Personal trainer and prostitute.
Maybe they are one in the same. ???
You're too fucking stupid plus you're a coward to even think about entering this thread with any insight. That being said. Speak when you're spoken to and shut the fuck up.
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yes I find it to be generally true for all trainers and coaches
People I this thread are extremely naive. Both you and Radical Plato do some research and get back to me, and if you're that closed minded this may take a while.......a looooooong while.
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People I this thread are extremely naive. Both you and Radical Plato do some research and get back to me, and if you're that closed minded this may take a while.......a looooooong while.
That's the main thing I hate about personal trainers, there unashamed sense of self satisfaction, as if what they do actually means something. Your a plaything for morons who have to much money for there own good. I get it, you have to pretend your clients aren't complete morons and that you aren't taking advantage of their pathetic wretchedness, but we both know better don't we.
And WTF with the naive comment, you would have to be naive to think you need a trainer to get you in shape. Anybody who is so dependent is destined to fail, as it needs to be a lifetime commitment. If you can't pull that shit of on your own, you are doomed to fail and repeat the sad pathetic personal trainer cycle.
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That's the main thing I hate about personal trainers, there unashamed sense of self satisfaction, as if what they do actually means something. Your a plaything for morons who have to much money for there own good. I get it, you have to pretend your clients aren't complete morons and that you aren't taking advantage of their pathetic wretchedness, but we both know better don't we.
And WTF with the naive comment, you would have to be naive to think you need a trainer to get you in shape. Anybody who is so dependent is destined to fail, as it needs to be a lifetime commitment. If you can't pull that shit of on your own, you are doomed to fail and repeat the sad pathetic personal trainer cycle.
Again, for what demographic? I'll agree that their are some bad trainers that just do it for the money. But I could name many that can teach everyone on here a few things. BTW, it's just not about moving and eating less. That's a ridiculous statement in itself.
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That's the main thing I hate about personal trainers, there unashamed sense of self satisfaction, as if what they do actually means something. Your a plaything for morons who have to much money for there own good. I get it, you have to pretend your clients aren't complete morons and that you aren't taking advantage of their pathetic wretchedness, but we both know better don't we.
And WTF with the naive comment, you would have to be naive to think you need a trainer to get you in shape. Anybody who is so dependent is destined to fail, as it needs to be a lifetime commitment. If you can't pull that shit of on your own, you are doomed to fail and repeat the sad pathetic personal trainer cycle.
The small percentage of good trainers who are out there maximise efficiency for their clients.
Wealthy and successful people, who typically are reasonably intelligent and have above average judgement, pay a premium for that as it means they don't need to waste time. You may think they can do this by themselves but that's not the case and good PTs provide a great service.
You can't judge all PTs by the shit that you see 99% of the time in 99% of the gyms across the world. The industry is full of dross, and Coach is IMO wrong if he thinks certifying bodies can police it. It needs root and branch reform, and even then most PTs will be substandard because the overall quality of personnel attracted to the profession is extremely low.
Right across all aspects of the fitness industry - PTs, gym managers, therapists, f*ckwit nutritionists who were too dumb to get into the worst Med School - the standards are too low and will remain so until more regulation comes in and it becomes a better controlled and respected industry with more solid companies leading the way. It's the wild west and everyone in it is held back as a result.
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You're too fucking stupid plus you're a coward to even think about entering this thread with any insight. That being said. Speak when you're spoken to and shut the fuck up.
ENTERING THREAD!!! :-*
The government 100% needs to get involved in the PT. Fees should be collected and tests given for an annual license. Financial responsibility or insurance of adequate level should also be required.
In other words, Obama's going to stick it straight in your dumb ass.
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ENTERING THREAD!!! :-*
The government 100% needs to get involved in the PT. Fees should be collected and tests given for an annual license. Financial responsibility or insurance of adequate level should also be required.
In other words, Obama's going to stick it straight in your dumb ass.
Oh shut the fuck up you government dependant troll. The government can't even govern themselves. There is plenty of coverage for PT's that covers everything you're supposedly concerned with. Very few unless they're a shady operation with hire or even hire as independent contractors with out adequate coverage. I personally pay over $3k a year for $5mil in coverage. Independant PT's working in a private club pay less.
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I've tried talking to trainers on a few occasions. It tends to follow a certain pattern with a lot of strong emotion and unsupportable claims delivered by the "trainer". It's unfortunate that these people are allowed to pollute the gym with their unreasonable and dangerous methods.
Indeed it would be a great benefit if they were eliminated completely.
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The government 100% needs to get involved in the PT. Fees should be collected and tests given for an annual license. Financial responsibility or insurance of adequate level should also be required.
In other words, Obama's going to stick it straight in your dumb ass.
Personal Training should be banned, it's a ridiculous concept for ridiculous people and only interferes with those who have the proper will and desire to train without external stimuli. I fucking hate personal trainers, when I started training 27 years ago there was no such thing, anybody who acted in such a way was considered a wanker, because that's what they are. Just shut the fuck up and train, if you can't do that without someone holding your hand, go play golf or tennis you pretentious yuppy fucks. Gyms used to be where MEN went to work hard and blow of steam, Now they are full of beta fags and office workers and ditzy women swanning around trying to look beautiful. Gym's becoming mainstream ruined everything, you see the same fag developments happening in the UFC right now, they are turning what used to be a masculine endeavor into a laughing stock.
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Personal Training should be banned, it's a ridiculous concept for ridiculous people and only interferes with those who have the proper will and desire to train without external stimuli. I fucking hate personal trainers, when I started training 27 years ago there was no such thing, anybody who acted in such a way was considered a wanker, because that's what they are. Just shut the fuck up and train, if you can't do that without someone holding your hand, go play golf or tennis you pretentious yuppy fucks. Gyms used to be where MEN went to work hard and blow of steam, Now they are full of beta fags and office workers and ditzy women swanning around trying to look beautiful. Gym's becoming mainstream ruined everything, you see the same fag developments happening in the UFC right now, they are turning what used to be a masculine endeavor into a laughing stock.
laughing aloud
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Personal Training should be banned, it's a ridiculous concept for ridiculous people and only interferes with those who have the proper will and desire to train without external stimuli. I fucking hate personal trainers, when I started training 27 years ago there was no such thing, anybody who acted in such a way was considered a wanker, because that's what they are. Just shut the fuck up and train, if you can't do that without someone holding your hand, go play golf or tennis you pretentious yuppy fucks. Gyms used to be where MEN went to work hard and blow of steam, Now they are full of beta fags and office workers and ditzy women swanning around trying to look beautiful. Gym's becoming mainstream ruined everything, you see the same fag developments happening in the UFC right now, they are turning what used to be a masculine endeavor into a laughing stock.
Of course, what you say is true. Personal Trainers are a disgrace to themselves, their families and society as a whole. We know that. It's a self-evident truth, but, no one is forcing anyone to hire one of these tools. In fact, if you're dumb enough to do so, you deserve to get worked. Let the buyer beware.
There's no need to add another inefficient department to an already bloated overextended government.
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Here's a photo of him. Piece of lying shit
You should really be more troubled by his nonsensical run-ons.
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The small percentage of good trainers who are out there maximise efficiency for their clients.
Wealthy and successful people, who typically are reasonably intelligent and have above average judgement, pay a premium for that as it means they don't need to waste time. You may think they can do this by themselves but that's not the case and good PTs provide a great service.
You can't judge all PTs by the shit that you see 99% of the time in 99% of the gyms across the world. The industry is full of dross, and Coach is IMO wrong if he thinks certifying bodies can police it. It needs root and branch reform, and even then most PTs will be substandard because the overall quality of personnel attracted to the profession is extremely low.
Right across all aspects of the fitness industry - PTs, gym managers, therapists, f*ckwit nutritionists who were too dumb to get into the worst Med School - the standards are too low and will remain so until more regulation comes in and it becomes a better controlled and respected industry with more solid companies leading the way. It's the wild west and everyone in it is held back as a result.
Reasons could be that..
1. They didn't want too
2. It's too expensive
3. other reasons besides what you described
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Personal Training should be banned, it's a ridiculous concept for ridiculous people and only interferes with those who have the proper will and desire to train without external stimuli. I fucking hate personal trainers, when I started training 27 years ago there was no such thing, anybody who acted in such a way was considered a wanker, because that's what they are. Just shut the fuck up and train, if you can't do that without someone holding your hand, go play golf or tennis you pretentious yuppy fucks. Gyms used to be where MEN went to work hard and blow of steam, Now they are full of beta fags and office workers and ditzy women swanning around trying to look beautiful. Gym's becoming mainstream ruined everything, you see the same fag developments happening in the UFC right now, they are turning what used to be a masculine endeavor into a laughing stock.
Of course there were. Funny how you people that think they know everything about training when in reality you don't know beyond what you've read in a magazine are so closed minded. You really think PT is just limited to commercial gyms. Your perception is narrow at best. lol
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Of course there were. Funny how you people that think they know everything about training when in reality you don't know beyond what you've read in a magazine are so closed minded. You really think PT is just limited to commercial gyms. Your perception is narrow at best. lol
I agree, they do not work in the Fitness industry but know it all. I see Fitness as a tool for Rehab and for young and old people/sport enhancement. the pumper mentality is OK but you have to keep an open mind to weight training. It has so many avenues.
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Oh shut the fuck up you government dependant troll. The government can't even govern themselves. There is plenty of coverage for PT's that covers everything you're supposedly concerned with. Very few unless they're a shady operation with hire or even hire as independent contractors with out adequate coverage. I personally pay over $3k a year for $5mil in coverage. Independant PT's working in a private club pay less.
$3K for $5 million in coverage? That policy probably has so many exclusions it's useless. Hopefully, you'll never find out. However, if you do, you can hire Harley to sue your broker and insurance company for selling you a worthless policy.
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I agree, they do not work in the Fitness industry but know it all. I see Fitness as a tool for Rehab and for young and old people/sport enhancement. the pumper mentality is OK but you have to keep an open mind to weight training. It has so many avenues.
Have you ever harmed or threatened anyone with violence?
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Have you ever harmed or threatened anyone with violence?
I have never been charged with or been in court for threatening or Violent offences.
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$3K for $5 million in coverage? That policy probably has so many exclusions it's useless. Hopefully, you'll never find out. However, if you do, you can hire Harley to sue your broker and insurance company for selling you a worthless policy.
It's facility insurance + We work with athlete agents that require us to carry extra coverage. Being that we work with agents it's a solid policy and they set the requirements.
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I have never been charged with or been in court for threatening or Violent offences.
so you never got caught? did you get caught doing anything else? :D
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It's facility insurance + We work with athlete agents that require us to carry extra coverage. Being that we work with agents it's a solid policy and they set the requirements.
Does facility insurance cover injuries such as a frayed steel belting caused puncture wound?
Also, case in point. The consumer had to tell you how much/what type insurance coverage was needed? ::) You were not responsible enough to have adequate coverage for your clients? ::) This is why the government needs to step in and regulate.
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so you never got caught? did you get caught doing anything else? :D
I am a Man who reacts to situations like a Man. Do you do the same?
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I am a Man who reacts to situations like a Man. Do you do the same?
no I don't threaten or physically assault people
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Does facility insurance cover injuries such as a frayed steel belting caused puncture wound?
Also, case in point. The consumer had to tell you how much/what type insurance coverage was needed? ::) You were not responsible enough to have adequate coverage for your clients? ::) This is why the government needs to step in and regulate.
This is why I think you're about 15. You're a very stupid person gimmick or not.
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no I don't threaten or physically assault people
So what is your point??
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I agree, they do not work in the Fitness industry but know it all. I see Fitness as a tool for Rehab and for young and old people/sport enhancement. the pumper mentality is OK but you have to keep an open mind to weight training. It has so many avenues.
Exactly.
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Exactly.
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This is why I think you're about 15. You're a very stupid person gimmick or not.
I quote [b
It's facility insurance + We work with athlete agents that require us to carry extra coverage. Being that we work with agents it's a solid policy and they set the requirements.][/b]
They told you what insurance to have, because you didn't have enough coverage. Now the government will tell you, because you were irresponsible. Get it? ???
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So what is your point??
working in the fitness industry does not automatically provide any level of authority on this topic.
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I quote [b
It's facility insurance + We work with athlete agents that require us to carry extra coverage. Being that we work with agents it's a solid policy and they set the requirements.][/b]
They told you what insurance to have, because you didn't have enough coverage. Now the government will tell you, because you were irresponsible. Get it? ???
Not the entire policy you moron. They require certain policy amendments to protect their athlete.
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working in the fitness industry does not automatically provide any level of authority on this topic.
Depends on how serious you take the industry as a whole. People that have made a career out of it, do the right things and have time out in gives them quite a bit of authority to speak on it. How many trainers do you suppose are on this site?
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working in the fitness industry does not automatically provide any level of authority on this topic.
What is your opinion on trainers who train Olympic athletes?
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Ridiculous.
What are they gonna do, have a test to see if the trainer can count to ten?
No way they'd do THAT. How bad would it look to put 1000 trainers like coach out of work...c'mon ::)
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What is your opinion on trainers who train Olympic athletes?
it's probably fair to assume they are generally well qualified. There's some specialized knowledge there for sure.
That's another topic though.
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Depends on how serious you take the industry as a whole. People that have made a career out of it, do the right things and have time out in gives them quite a bit of authority to speak on it. How many trainers do you suppose are on this site?
people are employed in fields for years with abominable records. the general public is highly confused because the fitness industry only wants to sell powders and bullshit quick fix gimmicks. It's great business but it gets annoying having the same conversation with people over and over trying to debunk all the bullshit. A bit of regulation is ok.
who knows the most about olympic lifting? The russians and it's because it was a 100% government run program.
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Of course there were. Funny how you people that think they know everything about training when in reality you don't know beyond what you've read in a magazine are so closed minded. You really think PT is just limited to commercial gyms. Your perception is narrow at best. lol
I have no idea why you assume I think Personal training is limited to commercial gyms, which probably indicates your narrow perception. I get it, they are a diverse range of people who are not just training stay at home Mums. I understand some, like yourself might train fighters and athletes and the like. But I still find it an absurd industry, that I doubt has any proven efficacy from a scientific perspective. I even imagine many PT's damage the clients potential to achieve their goals. Look I just fucking hate the whole hand holding concept, it seems gay, emasculating and absurd. Plus I just want these silly fuckers to stop lingering around gyms with their fat useless unmotivated clients hogging multiple pieces of equipment and doing ridiculous ineffective exercises while saying stupid shit. If given the option of training in peace as opposed to listening to some arrogant moron talk nonsense to his even greater moron of a client, guess what option I am going to go with.
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working in the fitness industry does not automatically provide any level of authority on this topic.
well thing is here you have to be qualified and even then itīs about trust.. people like you or donīt as a trainer. People talk to you and show respect if you are a good trainer.
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people are employed in fields for years with abominable records. the general public is highly confused because the fitness industry only wants to sell powders and bullshit quick fix gimmicks. It's great business but it gets annoying having the same conversation with people over and over trying to debunk all the bullshit. A bit of regulation is ok.
who knows the most about olympic lifting? The russians and it's because it was a 100% government run program.
Yes, the Russians are quite obsessive about their Olympics.
The Barbell War: How the Soviets Ousted American Weightlifting
http://breakingmuscle.com/olympic-weightlifting/the-barbell-war-how-the-soviets-ousted-american-weightlifting
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You'd think the Russian Government could apply this expertise to other areas.
I can't remember the last time I saw anyone driving a Russian car. ;)