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Bodybuilding has always been a niche following to begin with, but with Kai seemingly M.I.A., an uncharismatic reigning champion, and a thin talent pool in the pro ranks, have we seen the final nail in the coffin?
Will there even be a Mr. Olympia contest (as we know it now) in 5 years?
Will the Arnold overtake the Olympia as bodybuilding's premier contest?
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What's your opinion?
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What's your opinion?
I believe it has. Obviously the majority of the people in bodybuilding feel that the physiques have spiraled out of control in the past 15-20 years, but I believe the quality and the likeability of your average pro has gone way down as well.
You will never again see the characters and physiques that the 70's-90's bodybuilders had. Maybe social media is partly to blame for oversaturating bodybuilder's to nauseating levels.
Look at this years Olympia lineup. It has to be the worst in the IFBB's history.
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Bodybuilding has always been a niche following to begin with, but with Kai seemingly M.I.A., an uncharismatic reigning champion, and a thin talent pool in the pro ranks, have we seen the final nail in the coffin?
Will there even be a Mr. Olympia contest (as we know it now) in 5 years?
Will the Arnold overtake the Olympia as bodybuilding's premier contest?
As opposed to all the charisma we got from previous champs? Not that I disagree with your premise.
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If the open ranks do truly die, there will be a new crop of bodybuilders in a few years. If the judges changed their actions it can be built up again.
I can't see the Olympia going anywhere with the popularity of MPD, womens divisions and this new classic class.
I believe the Arnold is already the show to look forward to in some people's eyes. I actually enjoy the amateur Arnold more than the recent O's.
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Look at this competitors list for the 2015 Olympia. Minus a handful of guys (being generous) do you see a lineup of pros that peak your interest?
Now go back 20 years to the 1995 Olympia, and look at the difference.
2015 Mr. Olympia (qualified competitors)
1. Fouad Abiad (Canada)
2. Mohamad Ali Bannout (Lebanon)
3. William Bonac (Netherlands)
4. Maxx Charles (USA)
5. Justin Compton (USA)
6. Brandon Curry (USA)
7. Jonathan Delarosa (USA)
8. Mamdouh Elssbiay (Egypt)
9. Kai Greene (USA)
10. Phil Heath (USA)
11. Dexter Jackson (USA)
12. Johnny Jackson (USA)
13. Abdelaziz Jellali (Morocco)
14. Steve Kuclo (USA)
15. Michael Lockett (USA)
16. Victor Martinez (Domincan Republic)
17. Dallas McCarver (USA)
18. Cedric McMillan (USA)
19. Juan Morel (USA)
20. Essa Obaid (UEA)
21. Robert Piotrkoqicz (Poland)
22. Shawn Rhoden (USA)
23. Ronny Rockel (Germany)
24. Brad Rowe (USA)
25. Fred Smalls (USA)
26. Branch Warren (USA)
27. Roelly Winklaar (Curacao)
28. Dennis Wolf (Germany)
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When a bloke who fucks fresh produce and let's men darkies suck his cock under a towel refuses to compete in your competition I think it's time to call it quits.
Garbage
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When a bloke who fucks fresh produce and let's men darkies suck his cock under a towel refuses to compete in your competition I think it's time to call it quits.
Garbage
Hahahaha, fair point.
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It all comes down to the judges. They let it get out of hand by rewarding the likes of Jay Cutler, Branch Warren, etc.
There was no need for a new "Classic" bodybuilding grouping, the judges should have never strayed from the original judging criteria. It's bad when the Teenage Mutant Hebrew Turtle, Dexter, is consider aesthetic on the Olympia stage... :-X
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what do you suggest as a remedy to the situation?
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As opposed to all the charisma we got from previous champs? Not that I disagree with your premise.
I am not saying that all of our past Olympians were on the level of Arnold in terms of recognition and likeability, but it seems that most people could care less about Phil Heath.
Many non Olympians of yesteryear were far more popular and interesting, then today's crop of pros. But I don't want to make this about Phil Heath, as much as to use him as an example to prove the lack of interest in the current state of bodybuilding.
People actually wanted to see the results of contests that Arnold, Haney, Yates, and Coleman competed in.
The top 10-15 in the Olympia used to always contain great pros with fantastic physiques, that actually battled it out for positioning.
Now it seems like it is a show of attrition, with the winner being labeled "The guy who looks the least like shit."
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It died when Cutler won in 07 over Martinez or when Branch gets anything better than last place.
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Bodybuilding has always been a niche following to begin with, but with Kai seemingly M.I.A., an uncharismatic reigning champion, and a thin talent pool in the pro ranks, have we seen the final nail in the coffin?
Will there even be a Mr. Olympia contest (as we know it now) in 5 years?
Will the Arnold overtake the Olympia as bodybuilding's premier contest?
You have to distinguish between bodybuilding competitions at the very top and their business model
And bodybuilding/working out in general for the masses.
Bodybuilding competitions at the top level are going through a massive re-adjustment period due to the decline of print publication in general being swamped and replaced by the internet and social media.
But bodybuilding for the masses, gym memberships and the rise in the obesity epidemic (which unfortunately you suffer from) means more people are actually working out than ever and there are big gaps in the market to be filled with new and innovative products.
Online bodybuilding competitions and seminars and subscription sites are the way forward and need to appeal to the general masses like the physique competitors do.
Bodybuilding will never die, it will just get replaced by something better or that people want.
Needs someone like myself with clear business head and vision and direction to sort it out.
But I can't be bothered
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phil heath has a better personality than
coleman or yates or cutler
I love the way he says fuck you to the haterz
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what do you suggest as a remedy to the situation?
I'm not sure there is one.
At the very least, there needs to be a dramatic change in the judging criteria. Mass should only be rewarded if the bodybuilder shows great aesthetics, symmetry, and is properly conditioned.
Someone like Branch Warren should not be placing top 5 (probably not even top 10) in any IFBB contest.
Maybe Arnold should start putting the squeeze on the IFBB. Hire his own judges for the Arnold, jack up the prize money (he can afford it) and make the Olympia contest an afterthought in comparison.
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I am not saying that all of our past Olympians were on the level of Arnold in terms of recognition and likeability, but it seems that most people could care less about Phil Heath.
Many non Olympians of yesteryear were far more popular and interesting, then today's crop of pros. But I don't want to make this about Phil Heath, as much as to use him as an example to prove the lack of interest in the current state of bodybuilding.
People actually wanted to see the results of contests that Arnold, Haney, Yates, and Coleman competed in.
The top 10-15 in the Olympia used to always contain great pros with fantastic physiques, that actually battled it out for positioning.
Now it seems like it is a show of attrition, with the winner being labeled "The guy who looks the least like shit."
Haney was closest; no one since, really. Been a quarter century.
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I'm not sure there is one.
At the very least, there needs to be a dramatic change in the judging criteria. Mass should only be rewarded if the bodybuilder shows great aesthetics, symmetry, and is properly conditioned.
Someone like Branch Warren should not be placing top 5 (probably not even top 10) in any IFBB contest.
Maybe Arnold should start putting the squeeze on the IFBB. Hire his own judges for the Arnold, jack up the prize money (he can afford it) and make the Olympia contest an afterthought in comparison.
I agree just decapitate the top of the IFBB and bring in some arnold cronies who are somewhat professional.
it's a bunch of clowns running the show right now
period dot
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phil heath has a better personality than
coleman or yates or cutler
I love the way he says fuck you to the haterz
This isn't about Phil Heath. He can't help the era he competes in, but he would just be another pro in the golden era of bodybuilding.
The golden era of bodybuilding (in my opinion) 1970-1999
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phil heath has a better personality than
coleman or yates or cutler
I love the way he says fuck you to the haterz
There is no such thing as "better" or "worse"personalities those attributes are all subjective.
There is such a thing as marketing appeal, ratings and hits.
Phil Heath scores very low on all those things because he is boring in comparison to guys like Arnold and Lou or Hulk Hogan or the Ultimate Warrior.
Its like the Joon account love or hate me I am a ratings sensation and pull in the crowd.
Whenever I post my threads and post get more replies than anyone else by a long shot.
Why?
Cos I understand marketing and how to play the masses.
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Its like the Joon account love or hate me I am a ratings sensation and pull in the crowd.
Whenever I post my threads and post get more replies than anyone else by a long shot.
Why?
Cos I understand marketing and how to play the masses.
Having 75% of the responses telling you they hate you does not equal success.
Epic shizzonian logic.
But, hey, it's your free time.
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Having 75% of the responses telling you they hate you does not equal success.
Epic shizzonian logic.
But, hey, it's your free time.
Yes it does, its the same philosophy Ric Flair used to use when wrestling in the WWF.
70,000 people booing him in the WWF every other event didn't mean they didn't pay for the privilege.
You guys just do it with the keyboard.
Principle holds true either way
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I obviously consider Yates and Coleman to be great champions, but they also have to take some of the blame for the decline as well. People looked at them as the gold standard, and just kept upping the ante, and blowing up like balloons.
Its a shame that guys with all-time great physiques like Shawn Ray, were not properly awarded at least a few times.
Shawn Ray type physiques are what the judges need to start rewarding. Even mass monsters like Dillett, had wasp waists compared to most of today's pros.
P.S. a second tier pro of the 90's like Gunter Schlierkamp, would wipe the floor with a supposed top tier Branch Warren.
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I obviously consider Yates and Coleman to be great champions, but they also have to take some of the blame for the decline as well. People looked at them as the gold standard, and just kept upping the ante, and blowing up like balloons.
Its a shame that guys with all-time great physiques like Shawn Ray, were not properly awarded at least a few times.
Shawn Ray type physiques are what the judges need to start rewarding. Even mass monsters like Dillett, had wasp waists compared to most of today's pros.
P.S. a second tier pro of the 90's like Gunter Schlierkamp, would wipe the floor with a supposed top tier Branch Warren.
It kinda parallels MLB's Mac/Sosa era for me. I was over the moon at the time - totally renewed my interest in both. Hindsight paints a different picture, though.
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It kinda parallels baseball's McGwire/Sosa era for me. I was over the moon at the time, totally renewed my interest in both. Hindsight paints a different picture, though.
Its a prime example of why pushing the limits, may get you something that looks valuable, but has the true value of fool's gold.
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Its a prime example of why pushing the limits, may get you something that looks valuable, but has the true value of fool's gold.
Careful what you wish for?
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The other day I tried to figure out what the "IFBB pro league" was. I was unable to do so. Is it a non-profit entity? who owns its? does it have a constitution and so on...The way it operates is like a private corporation so I assume that's what it is. Like the WWE which is a theatrical production where the outcome of the events are scripted but the audience doesn't care.
Hopefully someone can assist and clarify this matter! 8)
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They ought to mark down points for the distended guts,and also for out of proportion bodyparts.
Posing correctly should be a prerequisite also,and start scoring calves or lack thereof.
Maybe weight classes are needed to keep the competitors sane looking instead of looking like bloated oompa loompas.
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Bodybuilding has always been a niche following to begin with, but with Kai seemingly M.I.A., an uncharismatic reigning champion, and a thin talent pool in the pro ranks, have we seen the final nail in the coffin?
Will there even be a Mr. Olympia contest (as we know it now) in 5 years?
Will the Arnold overtake the Olympia as bodybuilding's premier contest?
Kai is not really MIA. He's going to compete.
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It all comes down to the judges. They let it get out of hand by rewarding the likes of Jay Cutler, Branch Warren, etc.
There was no need for a new "Classic" bodybuilding grouping, the judges should have never strayed from the original judging criteria. It's bad when the Teenage Mutant Hebrew Turtle, Dexter, is consider aesthetic on the Olympia stage... :-X
Best post.
Jay is popular now but he wasn't charismatic and he didn't look good as Mr Olympia. Phil has charisma but needs to get it together and stop the nonsense on social media.
Nobody goes to the Olympia for bikini or mpd. Women's physique and figure are interesting. I bet classic physique will end up being Very popular but we shouldn't have to even have a division they is what bodybuilding is supposed to look like
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It all comes down to the judges. They let it get out of hand by rewarding the likes of Jay Cutler, Branch Warren, etc.
There was no need for a new "Classic" bodybuilding grouping, the judges should have never strayed from the original judging criteria. It's bad when the Teenage Mutant Hebrew Turtle, Dexter, is consider aesthetic on the Olympia stage... :-X
They let it get out of hand with Coleman.
When Jay almost beat him, it instantly became bigger bigger bigger and everyone just fell over for the mass.
The same thing happened regarding FBB when they started letting the biggest female win the show.
It's always been the judges fault... ALWAYS.
People only put on the size and sculpt what gets awarded. Otherwise, they would not bother.
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Also the IFBB is extremely poorly run. I mean it is completely unprofessional and it shows
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Also the IFBB is extremely poorly run. I mean it is completely unprofessional and it shows
It does seem that people can get placed favorably, due to connections in the industry, rather then soley based on the quality of the physique they bring to the stage.
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It does seem that people can get placed favorably, due to connections in the industry, rather then soley based on the quality of the physique they bring to the stage.
can I ask you a serious question?
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can I ask you a serious question?
"Lenore?"
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can I ask you a serious question?
Go ahead.
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Go ahead.
Wrong answer.
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Go ahead.
OK thanks. Here is my question
Why are you such a cu nt?
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Is the O coming up here soon?
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I think that decades ago, people still bought into the myths propagated by schmoe Weider and the supplement companys, that bodybuilding was about healthy living and hard training. Guys were led to believe that if they followed the same weights routines and consumed all the crap sold in stores, that they could look like a bodybuilder too; without the pathological lying, insane amounts of drug abuse and risking your life all for the sake of "defeating" another man in a male beauty pageant.
Let's be honest, No matter how many fist pumps, pained expression's and "war cry's" that Branch Warren makes,
He's always going to be an angry, insecure elf, that's standing on a stage in nothing but a sparkly thong, performing a choreographed set of moves in front of a crowd of salivating, predominantly homosexual men; as are all the others. Nobody want's to shame their families like that any more.
Nowadays, anyone with any genetic gifts will usually go down the route of taking part in a real sport and aim to make a decent living. Pro bodybuilding is dying fucking stupid!
LMAO this post deserves a plastic trophy :D, I read it twice and it gave me weird feeling of happiness
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OK thanks. Here is my question
Why are you such a cu nt?
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Good thread topic and post by Shizzo! :D
Like 'em or not, Ben and Joe Weider were 100% bodybuilding.
A few years ago, Weider sold his publishing business and rights to the Olympia contest for 300 million to AMI- CEO David Pecker.
Mr Pecker * (* I couldn't make this name up) made his millions in the gossip magazine industry most famously with " The National Enquirer" . Thus, David Pecker's roots are NOT in bodybuilding .
With the final passing of Ben and Joe due to old age, a new era pro bodybuilding has begun.
Gone are the days of serious , classic physiques and posing like Arnold and the pumping iron gang.
Gone are the Lee Haney's and new age freaks like Dorian Yates.
Sure, we have a few muscle freaks left like Phil, Kai and big Rammy, but it just seems different now.
The IFBB and NPC are now dominated by the female bikini division in the biggest contests.
The NPC national pro qualifiers have aprox 500 bikini, 100 figure, 100-200 MPD, 50 WPD and 100-150 male bodybuilders entered in the show. Thus, at least 80% of the official entrants are NOT bodybuilders.
Make no mistake that the negative image of steroids and extreme muscle mass plays into this .
NBC-sn had made an initial agreement to broadcast the 50th Olympia last years and even showed up with a full production crew to cover the event. For reasons unclear to me, NBC-sn never aired the contest and those who work in the industry said little/nothing about it? Hmmmmmm?
Now we learn that Flex on line will have a webcast of this years Olympia.
Considering that AMI is the publishing company of Flex , Muscle & Fitness and owns the rights for the Olympia, this is no surprise to me. I'm grateful it was picked up by the promoting company as I'll get to watch it on the webcast.
Ok , so here's my 2 cents on the OP thread topic. Hardcore men's bodybuilding is the "mall anchor store" for the IFBB and NPC contest promotion industry. This is why the prize $$ for Mr O is a LOT more then what Ms bikini gets.
David Pecker and the AMI insiders know this despite all the negative image with hardcore bodybuilders.
I suspect AMI would love to do a reality TV format with a fitness body twist. MPD and bikini are custom made for this , but that doesn't line up with majority of the IFBB's most ardent fans.
I suspect AMI will begin to launch some sex gossip, eye candy , romance scandals revolving around the top bikini contestants and tie in the more popular MPD guys for various products promotions????
They can leave the pro men's BB as is and hope to fabricate more drama between the top pros like Phil and Kai.
Sadly, the last thing I expect to see is a move promoting serious, hardcore bodybuilding as a legit sport.
I hope and pray I'm wrong... :'(
excellent comment
another thing to consider regarding the steroid issue is that we've had to deal with decades of draconian legal shenanigans. Bodybuilders didn't get a break under the democrats since the US vice president has a pet peeve with steroids! Biden is considered the architect of the 1990 and 2004 steroids control act that harshly criminalized possession.
It's not just a stigma , in fact it's been getting progressively more illegal to be a bodybuilder since the 1990's.
THANKS OBAMA!
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Good thread topic and post by Shizzo! :D
Like 'em or not, Ben and Joe Weider were 100% bodybuilding.
A few years ago, Weider sold his publishing business and rights to the Olympia contest for 300 million to AMI- CEO David Pecker.
Mr Pecker * (* I couldn't make this name up) made his millions in the gossip magazine industry most famously with " The National Enquirer" . Thus, David Pecker's roots are NOT in bodybuilding .
With the final passing of Ben and Joe due to old age, a new era pro bodybuilding has begun.
Gone are the days of serious , classic physiques and posing like Arnold and the pumping iron gang.
Gone are the Lee Haney's and new age freaks like Dorian Yates.
Sure, we have a few muscle freaks left like Phil, Kai and big Rammy, but it just seems different now.
The IFBB and NPC are now dominated by the female bikini division in the biggest contests.
The NPC national pro qualifiers have aprox 500 bikini, 100 figure, 100-200 MPD, 50 WPD and 100-150 male bodybuilders entered in the show. Thus, at least 80% of the official entrants are NOT bodybuilders.
Make no mistake that the negative image of steroids and extreme muscle mass plays into this .
NBC-sn had made an initial agreement to broadcast the 50th Olympia last years and even showed up with a full production crew to cover the event. For reasons unclear to me, NBC-sn never aired the contest and those who work in the industry said little/nothing about it? Hmmmmmm?
Now we learn that Flex on line will have a webcast of this years Olympia.
Considering that AMI is the publishing company of Flex , Muscle & Fitness and owns the rights for the Olympia, this is no surprise to me. I'm grateful it was picked up by the promoting company as I'll get to watch it on the webcast.
Ok , so here's my 2 cents on the OP thread topic. Hardcore men's bodybuilding is the "mall anchor store" for the IFBB and NPC contest promotion industry. This is why the prize $$ for Mr O is a LOT more then what Ms bikini gets.
David Pecker and the AMI insiders know this despite all the negative image with hardcore bodybuilders.
I suspect AMI would love to do a reality TV format with a fitness body twist. MPD and bikini are custom made for this , but that doesn't line up with majority of the IFBB's most ardent fans.
I suspect AMI will begin to launch some sex gossip, eye candy , romance scandals revolving around the top bikini contestants and tie in the more popular MPD guys for various products promotions????
They can leave the pro men's BB as is and hope to fabricate more drama between the top pros like Phil and Kai.
Sadly, the last thing I expect to see is a move promoting serious, hardcore bodybuilding as a legit sport.
I hope and pray I'm wrong... :'(
Howard, the Weider's ran the sport of bodybuilding, the bodybuilding mags, the contests, the judges, and the supplement industry like a communist country. If you didn't do what they said or competed in another Org, they would go to the end of the earth to ruin your career.
But the Weiders didn't have to contend with the Internet.
Now every bodybuilder has access to social media and exposure to the public.
And the public has realized they're drug addicted, lying, narcissistic idiots with nothing to add to society. And with that.....the interest in the sport is dying.
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The information age has lifted the aura and allure of competitive bodybuilding. People have now been exposed to the harsh realities, and most realize the risk vs reward is too great.
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It is certainly reeling. Not exactly a great summer for the bodybuilding industry as a whole:
*Gary Udit $1,500 press pass tariff for his NPC shows
*IFBB Europa limiting media - unless they paid for a title sponsorship, that is.
*Kai - easily the most popular pro in the circuit - likely sitting out the Olympia
*DLB, the most popular female pro, also not competing
*Ultimate Nutrition pays over 625,000 for exclusive title sponsorship for the O and now are suing the promoters for bringing other companies in for prominent sponsor positioning
And this doesn't include the usual complaints that have been consistent for years.
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It is certainly reeling. Not exactly a great summer for the bodybuilding industry as a whole:
*Gary Udit $1,500 press pass tariff for his NPC shows
*IFBB Europa limiting media - unless they paid for a title sponsorship, that is.
*Kai - easily the most popular pro in the circuit - likely sitting out the Olympia
*DLB, the most popular female pro
*Ultimate Nutrition pays over 625,000 for exclusive title sponsorship for the O and now are suing the promoters for bringing other companies in for prominent sponsor positioning
And this doesn't include the usual complaints that have been consistent for years.
Ick. Perhaps we should just pull the plug.
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Bodybuilding has always been a niche following to begin with, but with Kai seemingly M.I.A., an uncharismatic reigning champion, and a thin talent pool in the pro ranks, have we seen the final nail in the coffin?
Will there even be a Mr. Olympia contest (as we know it now) in 5 years?
Will the Arnold overtake the Olympia as bodybuilding's premier contest?
If the Arnold takes over the Mr.O, then is the Olympia that is on life support, not bodybuilding ...
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHH
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Bodybuilding has always been a niche following to begin with, but with Kai seemingly M.I.A., an uncharismatic reigning champion, and a thin talent pool in the pro ranks, have we seen the final nail in the coffin?
Will there even be a Mr. Olympia contest (as we know it now) in 5 years?
Will the Arnold overtake the Olympia as bodybuilding's premier contest?
Shizzo, how many times have you attended the Olympia, the Arnold Classic, or any Pro bodybuilding show?
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If the Arnold takes over the Mr.O, then is the Olympia that is on life support, not bodybuilding ...
WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHH
The Olympia is still THE show and the men's bodybuilding is still THE premiere event. I don't see that changing. People aren't flying out to Vegas for bikini or physique
I see phil competing for at least another year or two. The category is in transition and maybe with guys retiring some of these up and comers can make the mark
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Mr olympia is on dialysis.
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People aren't flying out to Vegas for bikini or physique
Is that why there are like 200 competitors in those categories? ???
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Is that why there are like 200 competitors in those categories? ???
Doesn't matter if the high falutin' big wheels like Goodrum and Shizzo stay home.....
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Is that why there are like 200 competitors in those categories? ???
There are 200 competitors in those categories because it is easier to attain and because it's become a marketing gimmick for trainers at the local NPC level.
Most people who are fans of Bodybuilding cannot name 5 MPD PRos or 5 Bikini People.
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Regardless of what clowns like Bob Chick and Co say, Pro BB is on life support compared to the meteoric rise of new divisions. Contracts for mens pro are drying up. It's obvious something is wrong.
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There are 200 competitors in those categories because it is easier to attain and because it's become a marketing gimmick for trainers at the local NPC level.
Most people who are fans of Bodybuilding cannot name 5 MPD PRos or 5 Bikini People.
Are you kidding? Name like any of the YouTube fitness celebrities, same type of physiques.
They are far more popular than the top 5 Olympian bodybuilders, especially since Kai is out.
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Are you kidding? Name like any of the YouTube fitness celebrities, same type of physiques.
They are far more popular than the top 5 Olympian bodybuilders, especially since Kai is out.
YouTube people may have the same type of physiques but they are not competitors. People aren't flying out to vegas to see the bikini o. Many people go for the weekend and the expo which includes the physique competitions.
The serious bodybuilding fans are there to see the mr Olympia. The ones that blow their money and vacation time for the weekend are there for MENS bodybuilding
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I believe it has. Obviously the majority of the people in bodybuilding feel that the physiques have spiraled out of control in the past 15-20 years, but I believe the quality and the likeability of your average pro has gone way down as well.
You will never again see the characters and physiques that the 70's-90's bodybuilders had. Maybe social media is partly to blame for oversaturating bodybuilder's to nauseating levels.
Look at this years Olympia lineup. It has to be the worst in the IFBB's history.
I used to really look forward to the Olympia. Now I couldn't give two shits. And it saddens me. Hopefully the new "classic" division will evolve to become the standard and move bodybuilding back in the direction it should be going.
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I used to really look forward to the Olympia. Now I couldn't give two shits. And it saddens me. Hopefully the new "classic" division will evolve to become the standard and move bodybuilding back in the direction it should be going.
I think this will happen because it's still bodybuilding without the yuck factor and they train legs. Give it s few years and if they luck out with charismatic people and some good rivalries they will be a prime spot