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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: obsidian on September 20, 2015, 09:20:06 AM
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Phil is obviously not 100% Hebrew. Original Hebrews from Africa are much darker and have different facial features - like Kai, Bolt, Ronnie etc.
I am thinking he is either part Caucasian and maybe Native American or Hispanic?? He is definitely not black. He does have the huge, wide nose though...
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he's father is from Narrowlandia and mother from Cheatland therefore he's NarrowCheat
I don't care if he's from a gypsy beggar family.. as long as he's not a cheat/cocky/arrogant/narrowminded/pretentious/obnoxious/asshole/c'unt
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he's father is from Narrowlandia and mother from Cheatland therefore he's NarrowCheat
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I was about to post the same.
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You are like 5 yrs behind in this discussion. He said on here I believe that both his parents are black.
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You are like 5 yrs behind in this discussion. He said on here I believe that both his parents are black.
What a stupid thread. :(
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You are like 5 yrs behind in this discussion. He said on here I believe that both his parents are black.
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Always weird when people speculate what black people are supposed to look like. Just google Africans from East, West, North and South Africa and they don't look much like each other. The Jamaican and other blacks from the islands were originally from the west coast of Africa which is why they resemble them but saying that all blacks should be coal black is just plain ignorant. Google is your friend.
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stepdad in the photos but P1 is black also.
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You are like 5 yrs behind in this discussion. He said on here I believe that both his parents are black.
The parents must be mixed race. He does not look 100% black.
Anyone know the ethnicity of his biological father? Any pics of him?
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What a stupid thread. :(
Shut your pie hole old man - time to change your depends ;)
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(http://www.phillipheath.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Young-Phil-Basketball.jpg)
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Phil is 100% Hebrew. Our genes express themselves in various ways. Phil has recessive genes. Thus, the light skin, light eyes.
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The parents must be mixed race. He does not look 100% black.
Anyone know the ethnicity of his biological father? Any pics of him?
"...I know this so I point at Q-Tip
And he states, 'Black is Black'"
WTF, the majority of black Americans are of mixed ancestry. Where do you think he got those light eyes? He is not 100% African.
And yes Wes, this is a stupid thread.
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What a stupid thread. :(
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(http://www.phillipheath.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Young-Phil-Basketball.jpg)
Yes looks 100% hebrew here - lol!
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"...I know this so I point at Q-Tip
And he states, 'Black is Black'"
WTF, the majority of black Americans are of mixed ancestry. Where do you think he got those light eyes? He is not 100% African.
And yes Wes, this is a stupid thread.
Ahh, ok, you see where I am going with this. Obama is not the first black president, and Phil is not another black Mr. Olympia.
You may as well call Obama a white president - same with Phil.
And Parker, please stop referring to yourself as "black". You're not black. There's not a black person on this planet. You're "brown".
Or are you color blind??
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Obsidians a spastic, i wouldn't even bother explaining anything to do with biology, or geography etc. He'll probably relate it all to a Jewish conspiracy somehow. Absolute mong.
Whatever CamptonFreedom ;D ;D
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I believe he is a "Chocolate Face".
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(http://www.phillipheath.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Young-Phil-Basketball.jpg)
Is this from high school? Good shoulders there.
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You probably have boxes of those tampons at home, obsidian. They are a lot like conspiracy theories...they get swallowed up by c unts.
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Wow, you are fucking stupid.
Stars convert hydrogen to helium, and later in life more massive stars create heavier elements. All known elements were created in stars during and at the end of their lives. They are your parents. They are Phil's parents. They are my parents. We are all related. You're related to Hitler.
Yet you think humans are not capable of conspiring given all that background info? If you can accept everything that has happened and will occur in the Universe you should accept that conspiracies do in fact exist. Just deal with it. Take a breath and take it all in.
You are giving way too much credit to humans and governments thinking they are immune to corruption and conspiracies. Humans are not really very important in the scheme of things. If the Earth and our Solar System dissappeared today not a single fuck would be given in the rest of the Universe.
Stop being so god damn self important!! For fucks sake!
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Obsidian believes in the chemtrail conspiracy. This should give you an idea as to the levels of his spasticity.
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Phil is 100% Hebrew. Our genes express themselves in various ways. Phil has recessive genes. Thus, the light skin, light eyes.
I think not. He has blue eyes. Blue eyes is a recessive genetic trait as you say- it means both alleles are for blue eyes. But blue eyes is NOT "hebrew"- it is northern/mid european AFAIK.
To me, he looks like he could be at least 50% caucasian.
NN
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Is this from high school? Good shoulders there.
University of Denver.
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Obsidian believes in the chemtrail conspiracy. This should give you an idea as to the levels of his spasticity.
Another moron. The term is Stratospheric sulfate aerosols (geoengineering).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering))
And weather modification has been used in warfare as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_warfare)
Don't be a gullible fucking idiot. Oh I get it, humans have never seeded clouds with airplanes or retrofitted commercial airliners so they can spray liquids or gases. Damn, you're a gullible child. Go play with your toys boy. The grownups will take care of you....
(https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/contrailscience.com_skitch_Photos__Boeing_777_240_LR_Aircraft_6406cd04eab7f09728d63232fd45344c.jpg)
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Another moron. The term is Stratospheric sulfate aerosols (geoengineering).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering))
And weather modification has been used in warfare as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_warfare)
Don't be a gullible fucking idiot. Oh I get it, humans have never seeded clouds with airplanes or retrofitted commercial airliners so they can spray liquids or gases. Damn, you're a gullible child. Go play with your toys boy. The grownups will take care of you....
(https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/contrailscience.com_skitch_Photos__Boeing_777_240_LR_Aircraft_6406cd04eab7f09728d63232fd45344c.jpg)
Ropo took you, and that other degenerate: muscleman, to task on this horseshit. No need to revisit such nonsense.
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I don't know what he is I just know he's an ugly kent
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Thanks for the mindblowing science lesson, Dorkins. How have you managed to come to the conclusion that due to our currently limited understanding of the universe, it must therefore follow that "conspiracies do in fact, exist"?
This! The great paradox inherent in the conspiracy nonsense, is that the advocates really show an incredible selective faith in the abilities of the goverment. While they bitch and moan about all the things the goverment do wrong or badly, they believe that the same goverment has the ability to implement amazing feats of technology, perfectly hidden from public knowledge, seemingly with unlimited resources that do not show up on budgets etc.
NN
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This! The great paradox inherent in the conspiracy nonsense, is that the advocates really show an incredible selective faith in the abilities of the goverment. While they bitch and moan about all the things the goverment do wrong or badly, they believe that the same goverment has the ability to implement amazing feats of technology, perfectly hidden from public knowledge, seemingly with unlimited resources that do not show up on budgets etc.
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Right. The USA government was so incompetent they could not create the Manhattan project and devise Atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima or Nagasaki! By your own words it sounds like you say the government is not able to implement amazing feats of technology. Or keep it a secret. And history proves you wrong.
Another fucking moron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project)
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Ropo took you, and that other degenerate: muscleman, to task on this horseshit. No need to revisit such nonsense.
Ropo did nothing of the sort. All he did was yell, scream, have his period, call names and shit like that. Ropo is out of his league when it comes to debating.
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hahaha, meltdown.
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Thanks for the mindblowing science lesson, Dorkins. How have you managed to come to the conclusion that due to our currently limited understanding of the universe, it must therefore follow that "conspiracies do in fact, exist"?
Please also expand on what you mean by the universe not giving a fuck, if our solar system was to disappear? Are you meaning it in some sort of vague, anthropomorphic way, like it would just shrug it's shoulders? Or do you mean that there would be no, potentially catastrophic chain of events to follow? Please enlighten us!
Let's stop for a second. Do you believe there are no conspiracies on the planet? Are you saying humans do not conspire against others and not capable of it? First answer that.
What I mean by the Universe not giving a fuck is the scale is so immense that if all the atoms making up our solar system vanished it would have no effect on the Universe or our Galaxy. Stars and their Solar Systems would still spiral around the Milky Way's black hole, Andromeda would still be approaching the Milky Way. It will be business as usual.
The only difference is CamponFreedom would not be changing his tampons anymore and humans would stop conspiring. ;)
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He's from this island.
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Shut your pie hole old man - time to change your depends ;)
He`s black you stupid fuck!
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Right. The USA government was so incompetent they could not create the Manhattan project and devise Atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima or Nagasaki! By your own words it sounds like you say the government is not able to implement amazing feats of technology. Or keep it a secret. And history proves you wrong.
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So you DO have faith in your goverment... My bad.
But apart from that- the comparison is bad, because the A-bomb was used almost as soon as it was constructed and then it
A) Certainly was no secret
B) Had a clear military and political purpose
C) Was grounded in well known physics- Heisenberg in Germany was very close to make an A-bomb also
The chemtrail nonsense meets none of these criteria- I see no clear purpose, I see secrecy that is total, I see no clear scientfic grounding for such projects.
NN
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He's black. This is a pic of his late biological father.
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Yes looks 100% hebrew here - lol!
10 years ago Hebrews were saying Tiger Woods was black. Now that he sucks, he's Asian in their eyes...
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CNN's Don Lemon today
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CNN's Don Lemon a few years ago.lol
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People have been calling him out for whitening his skin for years now...Not only is Don Lemon making his skin whiter, of course he came out recently as homo...The day he came out, he supposedly got a 250 grand raise for doing so.lol
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Whether Phil is a mix breed or not, he looks the part. And on almost every channel you turn to, the mix breed light skinned people are the ones moving up the media hierarchy...Globalist want these people to be the face of the New World...
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he's father is from Narrowlandia and mother from Cheatland therefore he's NarrowCheat
I don't care if he's from a gypsy beggar family.. as long as he's not a cheat/cocky/arrogant/narrowminded/pretentious/obnoxious/asshole/c'unt
how the fuck do you cheat in a pageant?
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However,Bryant Gumble is white or very confused...............p ompous ass if there ever was one.
I hate Bryant Gumble but his brother is so much more down to Earth.
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I'm white.
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He`s black you stupid fuck!
This is black you old fart. Phillippe is a light brown mulatto...
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he's father is from Narrowlandia and mother from Cheatland therefore he's NarrowCheat
I don't care if he's from a gypsy beggar family.. as long as he's not a cheat/cocky/arrogant/narrowminded/pretentious/obnoxious/asshole/c'unt
His mom is prolly white and his dad = is a non-white ????
his mom's parents forced her to give him up for adoption. Note the massive attitude and eternal insecurity.
Nobody Knows 4 sure
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Let’s stop for a second? why? I would have assumed that an intellectual heavyweight such as yourself, wouldn't need to try dodge the question posted to him. You claim that conspiracies are true, and human beings are capable of conspiring, because “stars convert hydrogen to helium”, therefore we should accept conspiracies as truth, because the universe is complex??
I’m struggling to see your line of reasoning here, please simplify it for a layman like me. What has the life of the universe, and the apparent insignificance of our solar system dying, got to do with “governments being immune to corruption and conspiracies”?
Sure, some conspiracies have occasionally been proven to be true, and no one would deny the Machiavellian behaviour of governments around the world, but the problem with fucking morons like yourself, is that you make claims with authority when you have absolutely no understanding of any of the concepts you speak of (see your last post for a prime example), you deny all logic and evidence that refutes your claims, and you’ll swallow up any bullshit given to you that appeals to your credulous, half-witted nature. Hence why, every single event on earth, somehow links back to Zionist agendas or some other stupid, nonsensical belief that the government is out to get you.
No, my response is to not automatically scoff at all conspiracy theories out there. The complexity and strangeness of the Universe is used as a point of reference to show you that anything is possible - as hard as it may be to accept. Some people simply cannot wrap their heads around the idea that 911 could be a conspiracy for example. Yet this idea is not nearly as strange or crazy as the fairly recent knowledge that we came to existence after hypernova explosions which generated the atoms in our bodies or cars. SO just open your mind - anything is possible.
And you speak of conspiracy facts - The Gulf of Tonkin for example. So let's get this straight. The government faked this event, admitted they faked it, and 282,000 allied soldiers died as a consequence. The total death toll of the war was estimated at 1,313,000. But the government is not out to get people - they can be trusted and are good guys. Are you fucking gullible or what?! They lied about the reason to go to war - why believe any of their motives and agendas? Why would you believe anything Kerry has to say about Syria? What reasons has he given you to trust his word??
And it is a fact that Jews are promoting Multiculturalims throughout Europe and the USA. I can provide many many examples. This is a major crime being committed and I advise that you understand the severity of this accusation and the consequences that will follow. For you to scoff at this means you are condoning it. You should well remember the "Jews" were also scoffed at in WW2. The cultures of Europe are thousands of years old, who do these Fake Jewish Social engineers think they are to threaten these nations??? Fuck them.
https://www.destroyzionism.com/2013/01/13/how-and-why-sweden-became-multicultural/ (https://www.destroyzionism.com/2013/01/13/how-and-why-sweden-became-multicultural/)
"The answer to the question why Jews seem to have a predilection for multiculturalism in the host countries they reside in, is that they as a seemingly invisible minority among lots of other more visible and apparently problematic minorities no more appear as a social category, and thus they can undisturbed continue to exercise their power by promoting their ethnic group interests at the expense of the indigenous peoples. The aim is to destroy the traditional Western culture and weaken its civilization; to divide and weaken the northern European-derived populations, break down their ethnic consciousness and national cohesion, so that they never again will have the opportunity to organize an ethnically conscious and collectivist movement like the German National Socialism of the 1930s."
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This is black you old fart. Phillippe is a light brown mulatto...
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You`re an idiot,plain and simple.
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Obviously caucasoid in there somewhere, hence the light eyes. Race anyway, at least as defined here in America, is a social construct, not a biological definition.
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Obviously caucasoid in there somewhere, hence the light eyes. Race anyway, at least as defined here in America, is a social construct, not a biological definition.
Yes other than things like sickle cell.
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So you DO have faith in your goverment... My bad.
But apart from that- the comparison is bad, because the A-bomb was used almost as soon as it was constructed and then it
A) Certainly was no secret
B) Had a clear military and political purpose
C) Was grounded in well known physics- Heisenberg in Germany was very close to make an A-bomb also
The chemtrail nonsense meets none of these criteria- I see no clear purpose, I see secrecy that is total, I see no clear scientfic grounding for such projects.
NN
They could have kept it a secret for longer. The project had a short timeline and immediate goal. But up and till the time the bomb was detonated the world's public had no knowledge of it.
And btw, there is not total secrecy regarding aerosol spraying and weather modification / weather warfare. This has been going on since the 40s and well researched by Academia. Not sure why you think this is all secret or have no scientific grounding?? And I believe a few pilots have spoken about aerosol spraying that they witnessed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering))
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You`re an idiot,plain and simple.
Hey, you're the dumb old fuck who said he was black. Many other posters here agree he has some Caucasian in him.
But why does this topic make you so butt hurt old man??? Is it because I called you an old fart??
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Phil is half nose and half manbag.
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I think not. He has blue eyes. Blue eyes is a recessive genetic trait as you say- it means both alleles are for blue eyes. But blue eyes is NOT "hebrew"- it is northern/mid european AFAIK.
To me, he looks like he could be at least 50% caucasian.
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He's got green eyes. Plenty of African Americans with them. Sure there is some Caucasian down the line in there.
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Obviously his mom taught him how to do his BDB pose.
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Haternicity?
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Obviously his mom taught him how to do his BDB pose.
i feel such sadness for his parents
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Some white mixture in there. There's no pure blacks with green eyes, nor such light skin.
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Pure blacks of Congo
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African americans often have some white mixture, just like blacks in Brazil.
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Hey, you're the dumb old fuck who said he was black. Many other posters here agree he has some Caucasian in him.
But why does this topic make you so butt hurt old man??? Is it because I called you an old fart??
I`m not butt hurt by any means........just a stupid thread in general...........anyone with eyes can see that he is an Afro American.
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I`m not butt hurt by any means........just a stupid thread in general...........anyone with eyes can see that he is an Afro American.
Everyone trying to talk about semantics.
Anywhere in the world, Phil is black.
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Everyone trying to talk about semantics.
Anywhere in the world, Phil is black narrow.
Fixed
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Fixed
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As for all your constant anti-Jewish rhetoric you continue to spew, just look at the fucking sources you provide lol. You link a website called “destroyZionism” which is nothing more than the rant’s of white supremacists, “national socialists” and holocaust deniers.
Here are just two examples of anti-White rhetoric coming from fake jews. You are being judged by your deed's and actions. Don't run away now after you started the fight. These assholes are openly wishing the extinction of white people. But all we hear from you is holocaust this holocaust that. There was no real holocaust.
If there was you would not be here to complain about it. Everywhere you look there are fake jews. You weren't wiped out and you know it. The biggest losers of the Second World War were white people - not fake jews. At most 150,000 - 500,000 fake jews died in camps. A small number compared to white deaths throughout Europe in WW2.
The fake jewish media has been playing their sob story on tv and the movies for decades now. Show me a video of a white politician or professor spewing anti-jewish hatred like these two scum below! Do you denounce these cockroaches?
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obsidian might appear extreme but he's not too far off imho.
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Let's take your 9/11 example to begin with. It’s already been debated to death, and i have no wish to ignite another one, but just think about it logically. You’re believing that an administration who couldn't even manage to fake WMD's in Iraq, managed to pull off the largest mass murder in US history, against it's own people, that would have required a HUGE logistical effort involving hundreds if not more, patriotic and dedicated military and intelligence personnel, who all managed to come to terms with the ethics involved and keep it covered up, and prevent it from reaching the eyes of the wider intelligence community, as well as the various hostile one’s who dedicate their lives to knowing the business of U.S, and would kill for the chance to prove that this was a false flag operation. The more people you involve in a conspiracy, the more likely it is to fall apart; You could fill both towers with the amount of people who would have known about this one.
The intelligence was out for a while that an event like this was being planned. It was known that certain groups were looking at doing this so America wouldn't even have needed to do it themselves, merely wait for it to happen. At BEST, you can perhaps make a case that certain individuals may have intentionally turned a blind eye.
Let’s not even get into the sheer amount of science which shows why the towers would not have needed to be brought down by a controlled demolition.
The Academia will not touch 9/11 with a ten foot pole. Why is this? Why no papers at Universities debunking the theories with facts and research??
http://911inacademia.com/ (http://911inacademia.com/)
How could WTC7 collapse without a direct impact or massive fires? It collapsed demolition style indicating all columns failed simultaneously. How did this happen?
What about those police officers and other witnesses that saw a "plane" fly over the gas station before an explosion occurred at the Pentagon? The flight path they witnessed is different from the government's claimed path.
The taxi driver's interview was very interesting.
The security video does not show an object the size of an airliner crashing into the Pentagon. The grass is not disturbed either. Etc. etc.
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/videos/lloyde-england-eyeofthestorm (http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/videos/lloyde-england-eyeofthestorm)
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We can go on and on. You claim the government or elite would be too incompetent to pull of such an attack. Yet you believe 19 arabs were smart enough instead?
Have you not heard of Compartmentalization? It is possible to pull off an event and not have everyone know the big picture or the roll they are playing in said event. And you don't need that many people as you think to pull off something like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(information_security) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(information_security))
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels
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Xenomorphic paleotelengical negrocausian
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::) Jesus Christ, obsidian, you really have been brainwashed beyond any help. Shout about how there was no holocaust all you like, but the fact is that the official Nazi documents, including large orders for Zyklon B and blueprints for gas chambers, eyewitness testimonies, not only from those in the camps, but the thousands of allied soldiers who freed them, the survivor accounts, the diary’s, the confessions from the Nazi’s who ADMITTED to “just following orders” during the Nuremberg trials; the photographs,videos, even the camps themselves...they refute every claim made by you morons.
For you to argue that millions of people, from all around the world, are manipulated by a few Jewish lobbyists, who have coordinated all of the events we see unfolding, to promote a Zionist agenda, only shows how deeply misinformed and ignorant you are.
Stop deluding yourself that you are involved in some sort of fight...you don't even know what the fight is or who it is against! All that you achieve by spreading this nonsense, is to denigrate any potential legitimate arguments made against Zionism in Israel, as well as our current issues with immigration.
"Holocaust" comes from the the Greek word holokauston, itself a translation of the Hebrew olah, meaning "completely burnt offering to God," Those jews that died in the camps were casualties of war that the jewish bankers found acceptable to implement their agenda. It allowed them to claim ultimate victim status and help create Israel. It has also been used as an effective means of silencing protests and objections to mass immigration into Europe by white people. "You are a racist or Nazi if you oppose this".
Fact is Germany was pushed into despair after the First World War. Hitler (with his jewish dna) was financed by western bankers and offerred as a solution to Germany. More Germans probably died in the bombing of Dresden alone than jews did in WW2.
I also wonder where this magical rounded off 6 million number comes from? How could they possibly know this?? The numbers have gone up over the decades. If you study the layout of the concentration camps and the number of ovens installed you will realize it is impossible to cremate millions of people in the time interval in which the concentration camps existed.
http://www.cwporter.com/bild3.htm (http://www.cwporter.com/bild3.htm)
(http://www.cwporter.com/SCAN%2040/beeld-93.jpg)
This three-dimensional diagram (93) was drawn by the Canadian geologist and air-photo specialist John C. Ball (see also chapter 10). The diagram is based on US air reconnaissance photos taken in 1944 as well as his own on-– the-spot investigations in 1993.
Photos 94 to 99 show building 8 of figure 93. First, it is obvious that the building (the alleged ‘gas chamber’) is clearly visible and accessible from all sides, while the camp itself is protected from curious onlookers on two sides by a wall. If the building had been used for the purpose of mass murder, the murderers would certainly have chosen a well-hidden spot or at least walled it in. the building, partly surrounded by a hill of dirt, was originally perhaps a munitions warehouse. The building was modified into a crematorium with adjacent morgue by the Germans. Later, after the rearrangement of the crematorium, the building was used as an air-raid bunker. Figures 110, 111 and 112 show the various conversions of this building.
According to the defenders of the genocide theory, mass murders were committed in the morgue starting at the end of 1941.
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(94) The main entrance to the north was visible to thousands of inmates on their way to work outside the camp every day (see figure 93). To the left of the crematorium is the SS hospital (see number 7 in figure 93), the road is at the top. Escaping cyanide gas could easily penetrate the SS hospital, as occurred at Bophal (66). That the SS could have used Zyklon B in this building is therefore out of the question. The chimney in the background does not date back to the war, but was ‘reconstructed’ after the liberation.
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Obsidian, I'm clearly talking to a brick wall here. As i said, i have no wish to engage in another long winded and platitudinous 9/11 debate. Go and re-read what i've said. Look again at your sources, Look at the motivations behind the people you get your information from.
Have a think about your argument based on compartmentalization and see if you can spot why it doesn't make sense. Naturally, planning something like that would be done so with the strictest security imaginable, but i've explained to you why it would still involve huge amounts of people, who even if they were unaware of their exact role at the time, they sure as hell wouldn't have been afterwards. Go and search for the huge amount of scientific papers out there which debunk the conspiracy theory bullshit with facts and research, and have a read up on the history of Islamic terrorism too, as you GREATLY underestimate the capabilities and resources of these groups.
Show me an example of an independent peer reviewed scientific paper on 911 that debunk's any of the conspiracy theories.
How about the NIST computer model for WTC7?
FAQ #11: Does the NIST WTC 7 computer animation of the collapse prove that the skyscraper came down by fire?
No. The NIST WTC 7 computer animation of the collapse does not even remotely resemble the observations and actual video footage of the destruction in three main ways. A scientifically valid explanation of any phenomenon must account for the key observations. Moreover, a computer simulation does not constitute an explanation. It is merely a tool for determining and visualizing what might have happened if various assumptions are true.
NIST has refused to disclose the computer inputs of its mathematical models. This makes it impossible for anyone to check their work.
http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/faqs/733-faq-11-does-the-nist-wtc-7-computer-animation-of-the-collapse-prove-that-the-skyscraper-came-down-by-fire.html (http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/faqs/733-faq-11-does-the-nist-wtc-7-computer-animation-of-the-collapse-prove-that-the-skyscraper-came-down-by-fire.html)
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Fact is Germany was pushed into despair after the First World War. Hitler (with his jewish dna) was financed by western bankers and offerred as a solution to Germany.
True.
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True.
Thanks. Oh and to add more fuel to the "fire"...
http://www.mintpressnews.com/911-truth-movement-proposes-honoring-victims-by-questioning-official-narrative/209574/ (http://www.mintpressnews.com/911-truth-movement-proposes-honoring-victims-by-questioning-official-narrative/209574/)
Independent scientific inquiry in the 9/11 Truth movement
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth have presented a body of evidence which they say proves the presence of nano-thermite, a military grade incendiary capable of assisting in a controlled demolition, in the dust of the twin towers of the World Trade Center.
They are joined by other researchers, including physicist Steven Jones and theologian David Ray Griffin, who say there is ample evidence to convince an independent panel of investigators that the impact of the planes or the spilled jet fuel that melted the steel beams aren’t what ultimately caused the buildings to collapse. Rather, they say, the evidence points to the use of incendiary devices within the buildings’ internal steel columns to cause a uniform collapse, similar to what one might see when a building is brought down by controlled demolition.
In presentation after presentation, Richard Gage, a member of the American Institute of Architects and founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, has attempted to bring the attention of his colleagues, the media, and the public to discrepancies between what the National Institutes of Standards and Technology claims was the cause of the collapse of the buildings and what can be observed by studying video of the collapsing structures.
Gage and over 2,300 architects and engineers have signed a petition stating that the government’s scientific explanations do not add up and that the buildings could not have fallen at the speed they did without the uniform removal of the support structures from the lower half of the building.
Gage has been touring the country for years working to change the conversation on the science behind the collapse of the buildings.
“I want to encourage everybody to do something. We are all subject to the call of action by our conscience,” Gage told MintPress News on the sidelines of the events in New York. “It doesn’t take much to send out emails, and blog, and call your congressman.”
Gage and Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth point to acceleration at or nearly free-fall speed, eyewitness accounts of explosions in the basements and lobbies of the buildings, the presence of thermite incendiaries in the dust of the building, as well as video which shows air being forced out of the building as it collapses. In a documentary titled “9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out,” Gage claims that the air escaping is the result of “squibs,” or miniature explosive devices, placed throughout the building. “Videos show clouds of debris pulverized in mid-air and isolated explosive ejections, as many as 60 stories below the so-called ‘crush zone,’” Gage says in one clip.
The organization focuses on the collapse of the twin towers as well the collapse of World Trade Center 7, the 47-story building that fell later in the day despite not being hit by a plane.
Indeed, much of the 9/11 Truth community sees the collapse of Building 7 as the smoking gun which reveals the presence of explosives used to bring the buildings down. According to NIST, the building collapsed due to fires that spread throughout it. The 9/11 Truth community disputes the claims that fires were raging through the building, pointing to dark, black smoke which signals oxygen-starved fires.
‘Firefighters, Architects, Engineers: Expose the Myths of 9/11’
On Friday, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth partnered with the recently revived Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity for the debut of a documentary presentation called “Firefighters, Architects, Engineers: Expose the Myths of 9/11.” Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity is made up of former and current firefighters from fire departments around the nation who question the official version of events.
Erik Lawyer, the firefighter who founded the group in 2008, told MintPress that it was difficult to question the official narrative at first.
“I was having a hard time connecting to people. I felt like I couldn’t go anywhere, there was so much apathy around me,” Lawyer said. “I became a survivalist, started to shut down. I began a downward spiral so I stepped away from the Truth movement.”
He stepped away from the organization for five years, and during this time he says he had a “spiritual transformation.” Lawyer uses the fire department as a metaphor for building a conscious movement of critical thinkers. He aims to create “fire departments” that can address “fires” of the mind and help create solutions to the world’s problems, including uncovering the truth of 9/11.
“When I was invited to come back into the Truth movement I was only interested in doing so if we could focus on what we are for, and creating systems and uniting people,” Lawyer said.
Lawyer hosts monthly synchronized prayer events, as well as documentary screenings about his journey into the world of 9/11 Truth and the evidence for the controlled demolition theory.
The new documentary features the former firefighter giving a presentation on how he used the National Fire Protection Association’s own guidebook to prove that NIST’s investigation was incomplete. The NFPA 921: Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigation sets the national standard for how a fire investigation should be conducted. “Based on the damage we saw and the witness testimony, there should have been tests for explosives. NIST refused to test for explosives,” Lawyer told MintPress.
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Thanks. Oh and to add more fuel to the "fire"...
http://www.mintpressnews.com/911-truth-movement-proposes-honoring-victims-by-questioning-official-narrative/209574/ (http://www.mintpressnews.com/911-truth-movement-proposes-honoring-victims-by-questioning-official-narrative/209574/)
Independent scientific inquiry in the 9/11 Truth movement
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth have presented a body of evidence which they say proves the presence of nano-thermite, a military grade incendiary capable of assisting in a controlled demolition, in the dust of the twin towers of the World Trade Center.
They are joined by other researchers, including physicist Steven Jones and theologian David Ray Griffin, who say there is ample evidence to convince an independent panel of investigators that the impact of the planes or the spilled jet fuel that melted the steel beams aren’t what ultimately caused the buildings to collapse. Rather, they say, the evidence points to the use of incendiary devices within the buildings’ internal steel columns to cause a uniform collapse, similar to what one might see when a building is brought down by controlled demolition.
In presentation after presentation, Richard Gage, a member of the American Institute of Architects and founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, has attempted to bring the attention of his colleagues, the media, and the public to discrepancies between what the National Institutes of Standards and Technology claims was the cause of the collapse of the buildings and what can be observed by studying video of the collapsing structures.
Gage and over 2,300 architects and engineers have signed a petition stating that the government’s scientific explanations do not add up and that the buildings could not have fallen at the speed they did without the uniform removal of the support structures from the lower half of the building.
Gage has been touring the country for years working to change the conversation on the science behind the collapse of the buildings.
“I want to encourage everybody to do something. We are all subject to the call of action by our conscience,” Gage told MintPress News on the sidelines of the events in New York. “It doesn’t take much to send out emails, and blog, and call your congressman.”
Gage and Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth point to acceleration at or nearly free-fall speed, eyewitness accounts of explosions in the basements and lobbies of the buildings, the presence of thermite incendiaries in the dust of the building, as well as video which shows air being forced out of the building as it collapses. In a documentary titled “9/11: Explosive Evidence – Experts Speak Out,” Gage claims that the air escaping is the result of “squibs,” or miniature explosive devices, placed throughout the building. “Videos show clouds of debris pulverized in mid-air and isolated explosive ejections, as many as 60 stories below the so-called ‘crush zone,’” Gage says in one clip.
The organization focuses on the collapse of the twin towers as well the collapse of World Trade Center 7, the 47-story building that fell later in the day despite not being hit by a plane.
Indeed, much of the 9/11 Truth community sees the collapse of Building 7 as the smoking gun which reveals the presence of explosives used to bring the buildings down. According to NIST, the building collapsed due to fires that spread throughout it. The 9/11 Truth community disputes the claims that fires were raging through the building, pointing to dark, black smoke which signals oxygen-starved fires.
‘Firefighters, Architects, Engineers: Expose the Myths of 9/11’
On Friday, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth partnered with the recently revived Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity for the debut of a documentary presentation called “Firefighters, Architects, Engineers: Expose the Myths of 9/11.” Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity is made up of former and current firefighters from fire departments around the nation who question the official version of events.
Erik Lawyer, the firefighter who founded the group in 2008, told MintPress that it was difficult to question the official narrative at first.
“I was having a hard time connecting to people. I felt like I couldn’t go anywhere, there was so much apathy around me,” Lawyer said. “I became a survivalist, started to shut down. I began a downward spiral so I stepped away from the Truth movement.”
He stepped away from the organization for five years, and during this time he says he had a “spiritual transformation.” Lawyer uses the fire department as a metaphor for building a conscious movement of critical thinkers. He aims to create “fire departments” that can address “fires” of the mind and help create solutions to the world’s problems, including uncovering the truth of 9/11.
“When I was invited to come back into the Truth movement I was only interested in doing so if we could focus on what we are for, and creating systems and uniting people,” Lawyer said.
Lawyer hosts monthly synchronized prayer events, as well as documentary screenings about his journey into the world of 9/11 Truth and the evidence for the controlled demolition theory.
The new documentary features the former firefighter giving a presentation on how he used the National Fire Protection Association’s own guidebook to prove that NIST’s investigation was incomplete. The NFPA 921: Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigation sets the national standard for how a fire investigation should be conducted. “Based on the damage we saw and the witness testimony, there should have been tests for explosives. NIST refused to test for explosives,” Lawyer told MintPress.
I appreciate your efforts but you won't change the opinion of anyone reading this.
For those using their brain the case is clear already.
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Phil is obviously not 100% Hebrew. Original Hebrews from Africa are much darker and have different facial features - like Kai, Bolt, Ronnie etc.
I am thinking he is either part Caucasian and maybe Native American or Hispanic?? He is definitely not black. He does have the huge, wide nose though...
(http://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/312/large/1555245.jpg)
his ethnicity is "Narrow", originating for the tribe "Narrower Than", originally they were though to be extinct in bodybuilding but obvious not. They can be seen pressing 4 plates on a smith machine to show their dominance. When threatened they are known to grab their gucci man purse and run. Another trait of the "Narrower than" tribe is ability to step beyond the white line when all others won't.
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his ethnicity is "Narrow", originating for the tribe "Narrower Than", originally they were though to be extinct in bodybuilding but obvious not. They can be seen pressing 4 plates on a smith machine to show their dominance. When threatened they are known to grab their gucci man purse and run. Another trait of the "Narrower than" tribe is ability to step beyond the white line when all others won't.
And the ability to ascend.
Despite all the heavy oil.
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Obsidian, I don’t give a fuck what the original word “holocaust” supposedly means, please stop spamming with these brutal copy and paste jobs at least attempt to refute points made with your own opinions, if for no other reason than the comedy value it provides. What you have written here, is the ramblings of a madman. The bombing of Dresden, as terrible as it was, does not come even remotely close in terms of numbers, to the Jewish civilian deaths in world war two.
“Those jews that died in the camps were casualties of war that the jewish bankers found acceptable to implement their agenda”.
Do you actually read any of this incomprehensible bullshit you type? Those Jews, were men, women and children whose only crime was to be be of a race of people condemned to death through an industrialised process of genocide, by men that you idolise, defend, and seek to return to power, so that they can do it all over again. Your beliefs are every bit as divisive, dangerous and flawed as the islamic fundamentalists we fight today, and you should be fought just as hard. It's just a shame i'm constrained to do so verbally here.
You react to evidence in the same manner that a slug reacts to salt, and as i said earlier, your links are nothing more than demonstrably false articles, produced by Neo-Nazi demagogues who are promoting an agenda to diminish the poisonous nature of Nazism. Take your example of the “air-photo specialist” John C. Ball. The man was found in court, to be nothing of the sort and was rejected as a witness because he was found to be not suitably qualified in any way, as an “aerial photo specialist”. He had no academic credentials to make such claims, and was subsequently exposed as a fraud, yet you cite this man as an authority, whose theories can somehow nullify the eyewitness testimonies of everyone who was actually there, both victims and perpetrators.
The rest of the bullshit in your link, has already been so comprehensively debunked, that no rational individual without an agenda, could possible cling to such a ridiculously untenable position with regards to the holocaust being faked. Rather than sticking rigidly to the propagandised bullshit in the links you read, go and read up on all the evidence there is refuting it from sources which don't try and promote white supremacy, as it saves me having to spam with pages and pages of text.
I mentioned earlier how you make claims with authority, regarding matters which you have zero expertise in, such as the capabilities of crematoriums, or the properties of the gasses used to exterminate the jews and your response to this is to simply keep repeating them!
Claims that the 52 Auschwitz furnaces could not have had the capacity to burn thousands corpses per day because modern commercial crematoriums don't have such a capacity, have been falsified many times now by experts, Who have pointed out that there's no comparison between ordinary commercial crematoriums and those built in the camps, for a variety of reasons - e.g. coffins were not used, one can cremate more than one corpse at a time, etc.
The number of between 5 and 6 million killed in the concentration camps and German occupied countries has been established through years of careful research by various historians and officials who have examined a variety of unbiased sources such as pre-war/postwar censuses (which have been falsified many times by deniers so fuck off with posting them); names of victims, Nazi documents containing data on the deportations and murders, as well as the fact that We've seen the pictures of the mountains of bodies, we've seen the footage of the extermination process, as well as the mass graves that resulted from it. We've heard the testimonies from SS officials, allied soldiers and survivors of the camps. Open your fucking eyes and see what’s right in front of you. Even the infamous revisionist, David Irving, has stated that as many as four million Jews may have died in the concentration camps.
“in the late 1930's the Nazis killed thousands of handicapped Germans by lethal injection and poisonous gas. After the German invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, mobile killing units following in the wake of the German Army began shooting massive numbers of Jews and Roma (Gypsies) in open fields and ravines on the outskirts of conquered cities and towns. Eventually the Nazis created a more secluded and organized method of killing enormous numbers of civilians -- six extermination centres were established in occupied Poland where large-scale murder by gas and body disposal by cremation were systematically conducted. Victims were deported to these centre's from Western Europe and from the ghettos in Eastern Europe which the Nazis had established. In addition, millions died in the ghettos and concentration camps as a result of forced labour, starvation, exposure, brutality, disease and execution.” (humanitas-international)
Starving them, gassing them, shooting them, working them to death; the goal was to wipe them out by any means necessary and there isn't one method any less unjustifiable than any other; the ballpark figures on the deaths are accurate.
You also conflate the event’s of the holocaust and world war two, with the current issue’s of Israel and Palestine because you’re a moron who hasn't bothered to learn anything about the history of the topics you take such a forceful stance on.
Repatriations paid to Israel after world war two, under the Luxembourg agreement in 1952, were agreed as part of a compensation plan for the huge loss of life and property belonging to the Jews, and huge amounts of Jewish people were vehemently opposed to the idea, as they viewed the acceptance of it as the equivalent of forgiving the Nazi’s for their crimes.
It is clear that Israel obviously benefited economically from this, but the establishment of an Israeli state would have been accomplished without world war two, and if anything, the War and the Holocaust were events which actually forced a suspension in the Zionists fight for Independence. The issues between Israel and Palestine began long before world war two, and for you to point the finger solely at “Jewish bankers” shows that you have no understanding of Britain’s role, and the United Nations in all of this, amongst various other factors.. Rather than trying to re-write history, why don’t you go and study it?
If you want to know true history, you should read the history of the losers of wars. "History" is written by the victor and not always true.
The Dresden Bombings was horrendous and the true casualties will never be admitted. Some estimates put it at over 500,000. Of course the official causalties as declared by the "victors" will be much less - 40,000 or lower. Because it does not play into their narative of portaying Germans as evil Nazis. Germans can't be victims. Look at the terrible anti-German Brad Pitt movies to get an idea how hollywood wishes to portray Germany. And now they want to wipe them out via mass immigration. The German people really are the victims. Not fake jews.
Here are some pictures of Germans that were killed in the Dresden bombings.
Dresden, before and after
(http://www.whale.to/b/800px-Dresden_photochrom2.jpg)
(http://www.whale.to/b/777px-Wesel_1945.jpg)
(http://victortravelblogdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/frauenkirche-after-firebombing-dresden-germany-161.jpg?w=780)
(https://share.ehs.uen.org/sites/default/files/images/US07Dresden.001.png)
(http://www.whale.to/b/dresden_leichen.jpg)
(http://www.whale.to/b/dresden_leichen2.jpg)
(http://www.trionfopublishing.com/images/DresdenBombVictims.jpg)
(http://atruthsoldier.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/dresden-fire-bombing-victims-2.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F34CLuha_So/VKshdGfcQEI/AAAAAAAAUGM/FgI3NIvE1T4/s1600/dresden-bombing-holocaust-victims.jpg)
The number of German civilians killed in WW2 greatly exceeds fake jews killed.
I don't believe that bullshit 5-6 million figure for a second. It was fabricated. The World Almanac numbers were revised afterwards by fake jews to play into their narrative.
Yes sure, some jews suffered in the war and died in concentration camps. As did Germans, Russians, Americans, English men etc.. Stop playing this victim "holocaust" card. You weren't the only victim and many more white Europeans died than jews did. And if the fake jews succeed in their social engineering agenda the White Europeans will be abdicated in their own homelands where they've lived for thousands of years.
These social engineers are the ultimate evil scumbags. Do you condone what they are trying to achieve???
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You also conflate the event’s of the holocaust and world war two, with the current issue’s of Israel and Palestine because you’re a moron who hasn't bothered to learn anything about the history of the topics you take such a forceful stance on.
Repatriations paid to Israel after world war two, under the Luxembourg agreement in 1952, were agreed as part of a compensation plan for the huge loss of life and property belonging to the Jews, and huge amounts of Jewish people were vehemently opposed to the idea, as they viewed the acceptance of it as the equivalent of forgiving the Nazi’s for their crimes.
It is clear that Israel obviously benefited economically from this, but the establishment of an Israeli state would have been accomplished without world war two, and if anything, the War and the Holocaust were events which actually forced a suspension in the Zionists fight for Independence. The issues between Israel and Palestine began long before world war two, and for you to point the finger solely at “Jewish bankers” shows that you have no understanding of Britain’s role, and the United Nations in all of this, amongst various other factors.. Rather than trying to re-write history, why don’t you go and study it?
Why are jews in Israel in the first place? That's the land of Palestinians. Those Ashkenazi jews in Israel can go back to Georgia where they originated from before converting to "Judaism".
Fake jews are not victims - they are aggressors. Stop trying to fool the world. Many people realize this is all a scam.
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Oh cry me a river. What about the millions of Ukrainians killed and starved to death by "Jews" in the 1930s?
http://holodomorinfo.com/ (http://holodomorinfo.com/)
Holodomor means "to inflict death by hunger, kill or drive to death by hunger, exhausting work". The neologism "Holodomor" is given in the modern, two-volume dictionary of the Ukrainian language as "artificial hunger, organised in vast scale by the criminal regime against the country's population." Sometimes the expression is translated into English as "murder by hunger or starvation."
(http://arhiv.ukranok.hu/holod/holod_foto/holodomor%2067.jpg)
(http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CF%5CA%5CFamine_Genocide%20of%201932_3%20victims.jpg)
(http://img.desmotivaciones.es/201201/holodomor3.jpg)
http://globalfire.tv/nj/09en/jews/holodomor.htm (http://globalfire.tv/nj/09en/jews/holodomor.htm)
It all begun in 1917: "Every ordinary Russian faced a Jew as his judge and as his exe-cutioner. Where ever the Russian went, he met a Jew in a superior position to him." (Sonja Margolina, "Das Ende der Lügen" The End of the Lies, Siedler Publishing House, Berlin 1992, page 60) "The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish planning and Jewish dissatisfaction. Our Plan is to have a New World Order. What worked so wonderfully in Russia is going to become Reality for the whole world." (The American Hebrew Magazine, New York, Sep. 10, 1920) More than 50 Million people were murdered during this era under Jewish commissars. However, when nowadays timid Goyim try to bring these crimes, universally unique, to justice, Jews squeal "this is unfair, it incites interethnic hatred." However, forcing a 90 year-old innocent man (John Demjanjuk) on a stretcher into a stooge court-room in Germany, that is perfectly all right. Read on:
Jewish group objects to "Great Famine" case
June 15, 2009
KIEV, Ukraine (JTA) -- A Jewish group in Ukraine is objecting to a criminal case brought over the "Great Famine" committed in the 1930s.
The nation's security service is pressing the case against a list of former Soviet officials accused of committing the Holodomor, which caused the deaths of millions in Ukraine in 1932-33. Most of the names on the list were Jewish.
Ukrainian lawmaker Aleksandr Feldman, leader of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, said last week that it was "a farce" to press the case.
"All organizers of the Great Famine are dead," he said.
Last July, the Ukrainian Security Service released a list of high-ranking Soviet state and Communist Party officials -- as well as officials from NKVD, the police force of Soviet Russia -- that essentially blamed Jews and Latvians responsible for perpetrating and executing the famine because most of the names on the list were Jewish.
The Ukrainian Jewish Committee called on the secret service to revise the list, which incited interethnic hatred, in order to clear up the "inaccuracy."
Feldman believes there is a danger that the "Holodomor Affair" materials are being used for political purposes.
In late May, security service head Valentin Nalivaychenko claimed at a meeting with representatives of the World Congress of Ukrainians that "Ukraine has collected enough evidence to bring a criminal case regarding the famine, which was artificially created by the Bolshevik regime and caused mass death of citizens."
Through the World Congress of Ukrainians, Nalivaychenko turned to leading foreign lawyers with a request to help find out the circumstances connected with preparing and committing the genocide.
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Claims that the 52 Auschwitz furnaces could not have had the capacity to burn thousands corpses per day because modern commercial crematoriums don't have such a capacity, have been falsified many times now by experts, Who have pointed out that there's no comparison between ordinary commercial crematoriums and those built in the camps, for a variety of reasons - e.g. coffins were not used, one can cremate more than one corpse at a time, etc.
The numbers are bullshit.
Auschwitz - Myths & Facts
By Mark Weber
IHR.org
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Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime concentration camp where many prisoners -- most of them Jewish -- were reportedly exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is widely regarded as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The camp's horrific reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the facts.
Scholars Challenge Holocaust Story
Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers have been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These "revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there, particularly of typhus and other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present shows that Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the story of mass killings in "gas chambers" is a myth.
The Auschwitz Camps
The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now south-central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there between 1942 and mid-1944.
The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted to the war economy.
Four Million Victims?
At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for example. [1]
Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one million people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither institution would say how many of these people were killed, nor were any estimates given of the numbers of those supposedly gassed. [2] One prominent Holocaust historian, Gerald Reitlinger, has estimated that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews perished at Auschwitz. More recently, Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has estimated that about 800,000 persons -- of whom 630,000 were Jewish -- perished at Auschwitz. While even such lower figures are incorrect, they show how the Auschwitz story has changed drastically over the years. [3]
Bizarre Tales
At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet eyewitness report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February 1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an "electric conveyor belt on which hundreds of persons could be electrocuted simultaneously [and] then moved on into furnaces. They were burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage fields." [4]
And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [5] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales.
The Höss 'Confession'
A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the U.S. prosecution at the main Nuremberg trial. [6]
Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was obtained by torture.
Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant Bernard Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers tortured the former commandant to obtain his "confession." Höss himself privately explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two and half million Jews. I could just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not." [7]
Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story now acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Höss "affidavit" are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now claims that anything like two and a half or three million people perished in Auschwitz.
The Höss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being exterminated by gas in the summer of 1941 at three other camps: Belzec, Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek" camp mentioned by Höss is a total invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer mentioned in Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by those who believe in the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did not begin at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.
No Documentary Evidence
Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.
Many Jewish Inmates Unable to Work
For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young, sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.
But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. [8]
This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on "security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom "approximately 15,000 are unable to work." [9]
These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz extermination story.
The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment to other camps. That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, who also says that this was the reason for the unusually high death rate there. [10]
Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish, acknowledges in a recent book about the "final solution" that more Jews perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural" causes than were executed. [11]
Anne Frank
Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known around the world for her famous diary. But few people know that thousands of Jews, including Anne and her father, Otto Frank, "survived" Auschwitz.
The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands to Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of the advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other Jews to the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March 1945.
Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews who were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945, shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in Switzerland in 1980.
If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they would not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was, cannot be reconciled with the extermination story.
Allied Propaganda
The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any evidence of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.
Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [12]
Survivor Testimony
Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination at Auschwitz.
An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz.
Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and quite a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. [13]
A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing stories only later. [14]
Inmates Released
Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have released inmates who "knew" what was happening in the camp. [15]
Himmler Orders Death Rate Reduced
In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially typhus, the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm counter-measures.
The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated Dec. 28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps." Furthermore, it ordered:
The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp commandants ... The camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as possible.
Finally, the directive stressed that "the Reichsfhrer SS [Heinrich Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced." [16]
German Camp Regulations
Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an extermination center. They ordered: [17]
New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical examination, and if there is any doubt [about their health], they must be sent to quarantine for observation.
Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the camp physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the prisoners to a hospital for professional treatment.
The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding the preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply. Any deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp commandant.
Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in order not to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.
Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be brought before the camp physician for medical examination.
Telltale Aerial Photos
Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys or masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly alleged, and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz had been the extermination center it is said to have been. [18]
Absurd Cremation Claims
Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.
For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even 20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 in crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond the realm of reality," he declared under oath. [19]
Gassing Expert Refutes Extermination Story
America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter, carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and concluded that the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically impossible.
Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of gas chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals. For example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state penitentiary.
In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which are either still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn testimony to a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter described every aspect of his investigation.
He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing facilities could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among other things, he pointed out that the so-called "gas chambers" were not properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also killing German camp personnel. [20]
Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by the Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that the Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a careful on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I have come to the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully killed with Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider it absolutely impossible." [21]
Summary
The Auschwitz extermination story originated as wartime propaganda. Now, more than 60 years after the end of the Second World War, it is time to take another, more objective look at this highly polemicized chapter of history. The Auschwitz legend is the core of the Holocaust story. If hundreds of thousands of Jews were not systematically killed there, as alleged, one of the great myths of our time collapses.
Artificially maintaining the hatreds and passions of the past prevents genuine reconciliation and lasting peace. Revisionism promotes historical awareness and international understanding. That is why the work of the Institute for Historical Review is so important and deserves your support.
Notes
1. Nuremberg document 008-USSR. IMT blue series, Vol. 39, pp. 241, 261.; NC
and A red series, vol. 1, p. 35.; C.L. Sulzberger, "Oswiecim Killings Placed
at 4,000,000," New York Times, May 8, 1945, and, New York Times, Jan. 31, 1986,
p. A4.
2. Y. Bauer, "Fighting the Distortions," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Sept. 22,
1989; "Auschwitz Deaths Reduced to a Million," Daily Telegraph (London), July
17, 1990; "Poland Reduces Auschwitz Death Toll Estimate to 1 Million," The
Washington Times, July 17, 1990.
3. G. Reitlinger, The Final Solution (1971); J.-C. Pressac, Le Crématoires
d'Auschwitz: La Machinerie du meurtre de mass (Paris: CNRS, 1993). On Pressac's
estimates, see: L'Express (France), Sept. 30, 1993, p. 33.
4. Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, pp. 2, 35. (United Press
dispatch from Moscow).
5. IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946).
6. Nuremberg document 3868-PS (USA-819). IMT blue series, Vol. 33, pp.
275-279.
7. Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235; R. Faurisson,
The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.
8. Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document
No. 128, in: H. Eschwege, ed., Kennzeichen J (East Berlin: 1966), p. 264.
9. Nuremberg document NO-021. NMT green series, Vol. 5. pp. 384-385.
10. Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Costa Mesa, Calif.), p.
124.
11. Arno Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in
History (Pantheon, 1989), p. 365.
12. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT green series, Vol. 8, p. 606.
13. Testimony in Toronto District Court, March 28, 1988. Toronto Star, March
29, 1988, p. A2.
14. Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: 1981), pp.
188-191.
15. Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret (Boston: 1981), p. 169.
16. Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2. NC&A red series, Vol. 4, pp.
833-834.
17. "Rules and Regulations for the Concentration Camps." Anthology, Inhuman
Medicine, Vol. 1, Part 1 (Warsaw: International Auschwitz Committee, 1970), pp.
149-151.; S. Paskuly, ed., Death Dealer: the Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at
Auschwitz (Buffalo: 1992), pp. 216-217.
18. Dino A. Brugioni and Robert C. Poirier, The Holocaust Revisited
(Washington, DC: Central Intelligence Agency, 1979).
19. Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), April 14, 1988, p. 6.
20. The Leuchter Report: An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution Gas
Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek (Toronto: 1988). Available for
$17.00, postpaid, from the IHR.
21. The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3
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About the Author
Mark Weber is director of the Institute for Historical Review. He studied
history at the University of Illinois (Chicago), the University of Munich,
Portland State University and Indiana University (M.A., 1977). For nine years he
served as editor of the IHR's Journal of Historical Review.
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The numbers are bullshit.
I bet you believe that 9/11 was all BS too
Based on your post history you seem to always bash Jews. I find it interesting that it is well documented that over 6 million Jewish died between 1939-1945. 35% of them under the age of 22. This is documented by the Germans themselves.
About 70 million humans died in WWII, again well documented.
You are a disgrace to the human race, it is people like you that cause all current and future genocides.
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I bet you believe that 9/11 was all BS too
Based on your post history you seem to always bash Jews. I find it interesting that it is well documented that over 6 million Jewish died between 1939-1945. 35% of them under the age of 22. This is documented by the Germans themselves.
About 70 million humans died in WWII, again well documented.
You are a disgrace to the human race, it is people like you that cause all current and future genocides.
Where's the proof? I'd like to see a list of over 6 million names. That number has been all over the place. Now you claim over 6 million. That number is bullshit. The Germans have been systematically beaten down like a dog. They have even been brainwashed to accept their own genocide. And I am sure many Germans do not agree with that number. They also don't agree with the claimed death toll at Dresden.
I showed you photographs of German children melted in Dresden. This does not create any emotion or sympathy with you. All I hear from you is the poor jews. Fuck off with your fake morals.
It's people like these that are the cause of genocides...
Why don't you denounce them??
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I bet you believe that 9/11 was all BS too
Based on your post history you seem to always bash Jews. I find it interesting that it is well documented that over 6 million Jewish died between 1939-1945. 35% of them under the age of 22. This is documented by the Germans themselves.
About 70 million humans died in WWII, again well documented.
You are a disgrace to the human race, it is people like you that cause all current and future genocides.
The official story of 9/11 is bullshit. Go do some research. You really think 19 backward Arabs pulled that off? Wow, how fucking gullible and stupid can you be???? hahaha!!
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Where's the proof? I'd like to see a list of over 6 million names. That number has been all over the place. Now you claim over 6 million. That number is bullshit. The Germans have been systematically beaten down like a dog. They have even been brainwashed to accept their own genocide. And I am sure many Germans do not agree with that number. They also don't agree with the claimed death toll at Dresden.
I showed you photographs of German children melted in Dresden. This does not create any emotion or sympathy with you. All I hear from you is the poor jews. Fuck off with your fake morals.
It's people like these that are the cause of genocides...
Why don't you denounce them??
Here you go over 7 million names all searchable all with family testimonies and the majority of them have backup data that the germans kept!
http://www.yadvashem.org/
I was like you, I use to doubt the number, then in 2011 I was on a 3 week tour in europe, you see the massive camps still standing, you see the lists, you see with your own eyes things that reminds you how low humanity can go. This was before the mass ISIS beheadings etc.
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You have to laugh at obsidian, he submits evidence from known charlatans as proof of his claims:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_A._Leuchter
The problem is: he so wants there to be conspiracies, he can no longer look at things objectively.
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You have to laugh at obsidian, he submits evidence from known charlatans as proof of his claims:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_A._Leuchter
The problem is: he so wants there to be conspiracies, he can no longer look at things objectively.
Being a charlatan in Wikipedia could actually mean you are telling the truth.
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Being a charlatan in Wikipedia could actually mean you are telling the truth.
;)
Are you a radical muslim scumbag?
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Are you a radical muslim scumbag?
Nope and f.uck y.ou
Just pointing at Wikipedia's lies, censorship and misinformation.
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Nope and f.uck y.ou
Just pointing at Wikipedia's lies, censorship and misinformation.
so everything is a lie except what you hear from people who are trying to sell you canned food, gold and dvd's about the end of the world?
You need serious rehab in a country like north korea, you radical muslim scumbag, you keep repeating what these radicals preach, no Holocaust and 9/11 was faked so america can invade their shitholes.
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so everything is a lie except what you hear from people who are trying to sell you canned food, gold and dvd's about the end of the world?
You need serious rehab in a country like north korea, you radical muslim scumbag, you keep repeating what these radicals preach, no Holocaust and 9/11 was faked so america can invade their shitholes.
Sorry man.
Not on this level.
Have a nice day.
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What was the first thing i said to you, obsidian? the FIRST thing!! lol, STOP fucking spamming with pages and pages of copy and paste jobs and try to construct something coherent, rather than clinging to clearly falsified propaganda that you've selected due to your extreme confirmation bias. I genuinely believe you are mentally ill at this point, and any further discussion with you would be futile, but at least it’s been made clear now that you and your kind do not have the ability to rationalise your indefensible revisionism of history, nor do you have the intellect to ever deceive and manipulate enough people into believing the bullshit you spew, so you’re effectively toothless.
I began by acknowledging the bombing of Dresden was awful, and resulted in a huge amount of civilian casualties; widely accepted at around 25,000, by the Germans too. You then go on to post a bunch of pictures which have absolutely no relevance at all, because there’s no dispute that the bombing happened, or that it resulted in huge devastation, and claim that the figure is nearer half a million...far more than the number of casualties from both Hiroshima AND Nagasaki!
I give you clear examples of how the numbers from the Holocaust were calculated, from a wide variety of unbiased sources, including testimonies of all the allied soldiers that were there and seen it, SS statements, huge amounts and documentation, and pre-war/post war census reports. Your response?
“I don't believe that bullshit 5-6 million figure for a second. It was fabricated. The World Almanac numbers were revised afterwards by fake Jews to play into their narrative”
To anyone other than you, it’s blindingly obvious that you’re so deeply in denial, that you will disregard anything that proves you wrong. I’d just said to you how there were many examples of revisionists who attempted to manipulate census reports and were exposed for it, then you immediately launch your “ the Jews faked it” rant, as though you haven’t even read a word i've just wrote.
I tell you that there’s no need to go around copy and pasting the “real meaning of the word holocaust” because i don’t give a fuck and it’s irrelevant, so you move on to copy and pasting the definition of the Holodomor, which i am already fully aware of, along with another revised and propagandised version of events, in which you ignore Stalin’s Regime and instead blame it on the Jews again lol. You are a joke!
and it is an aside to the topic we are discussing anyway. You've merely put it there because you haven’t a clue what it is you’re arguing about, which is what i addressed earlier when i said you keep conflating various different topics in order to try and link it all back to what you WISH was the root of the problem.
The purpose of the two videos i linked, was not an appeal to emotion, it was so you might actually watch them and see the fucking evidence which is right in front of you. We know what starving people look like, the point is, that you refuse to accept what went on in these camps, you disregard all the quantitative and qualitative evidence, even when it’s clearly coming from unbiased sources, because you’re a retard who can’t seem to come to terms with the fact that he’s wrong. Watch it and learn about the realities of the camps, the facts uncovered when the camps were liberated, and how huge amounts of proof was used in court when the trials began afterwards.
I point out the fact that all your information is coming from racist, white supremacists with an agenda, and you respond with MORE links from the same people, with another wall of text written by a prominent and open white supremacist, who is an advocate of racial segregation, and who has gone on to admit, like the other noted revisionist, Irving, that millions of Jews did in fact die during the holocaust. The only favourable opinion of this asshole is the one he wrote himself for his own website.
You allow your own misguided prejudices and ridiculous beliefs to skew reality and block you from looking at issues objectively. I'm white and British, i have no allegiance to the Jews or any wish to align myself to either side of the political spectrum; i only care about the truth of something. If something is demonstrably false, and i've found myself to be wrong, i change my point of view. You are incapable of this because you’re a brainwashed idiot who’s been indoctrinated into a cult of morons. I explained to you a little bit about why you shouldn't conflate the issue of Israel and Palestine with the cause of the holocaust, i guided you to do a bit of reading with regards to it’s history, the Balfour declaration, and the U.N; you respond with “why are Jews in Israel in the first place?….this is all a scam”. See what i mean about talking to a brick wall?
Criticism of Israel in regards to its current stance with Palestine, i can completely accept you referring to them as aggressors, i disagree with a lot of their current tactics now, although i criticise the actions of certain Palestinian groups too. Where you go wrong, and why you are rightfully regarded as a mongchild, is because you confuse all these different issues and try to mould them all together into one simplified version of history and current events that fits into your narrative. Please….PLEASE! no more walls of copy and pastes, just accept that you've been dealt a shit hand in life, with regards to your cognitive abilities, and have a strong think about killing yourself at the earliest opportunity.
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Here you go over 7 million names all searchable all with family testimonies and the majority of them have backup data that the germans kept!
http://www.yadvashem.org/
I was like you, I use to doubt the number, then in 2011 I was on a 3 week tour in europe, you see the massive camps still standing, you see the lists, you see with your own eyes things that reminds you how low humanity can go. This was before the mass ISIS beheadings etc.
7 million? Not even the official number is that much. You won't have much credibility if you inflate the official number another million! And just because you can search for names on the site link you posted does not mean there are 6 million names. That site is sympathetic to the "holocaust" cause and therefore biased. Of course they are going to support the 6 million figure - lmao!
I don't even believe the Wikipedia numbers below, but just for the heck of it, the numbers (to be taken with a grain of salt) don't even add up there either.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/holofour.php (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/holofour.php)
According to Wikipedia, 3.8 million people died in the following "extermination camps...80 to 90% were Jews or half of the Jews killed in the Holocaust":
Auschwitz 1.4 million deaths X 85% or 1.2 million Jews
Treblinka 870,000 deaths X 85% or 740,000 Jews
Belzek 600,000 deaths X 85% or 510,000 Jews
Jasenovak 600,000 deaths X 85% or (Few Jews)
Chelmno 320,000 deaths X 85% or 272,000 Jews
Majdanek 360,000 deaths X 85% or 306,000 Jews
Sobibor 250,000 deaths X 85% or 212,000 Jews
But when you read the Wikipedia articles on the individual camps, significant discrepancies begin to emerge, as shown in the following abstracts:
In 1989 Auschwitz corrected its monuments and reduced the number of deaths from 4 million to 1.1 million yet the 6 million total never changed (the savings at Auschwitz were picked up in other camps). Also, the International Red Cross and detailed German death records indicate that only about 150,000 died at Auschwitz of whom 30,000 were Jews. Wikipedia ignores or dismisses such records. (Compare with 1.2 million above.)
In Treblinka, The Höfle Telegram listed 713,555 Jews killed up to the end of December 1942. With the addition of 1943 transports listed in Yitzhak Arad's book, one may arrive at the figure 800,000. (Compare with 740,000 above.)
At Belzek, at least 434,500 Jews were killed. (Compare with 510,000 above.)
The Jasenovac Memorial Area keeps a list of 69,842 names of Jasenovac victims: 39,580 Serbs, 14,599 Roma, 10,700 Jews, 3,462 Croats as well as people of some other ethnicities. ("The world's eminent authority on Holocaust victims, Yad Vashem Center, claims 600,000.")
In the Chelmno camp, at least 152,000 people were killed, mainly Jews from the Lódz Ghetto. (Compare with 272,000 above.)
According to the official Majdanek State Museum about 300,000 inmates passed through the camp, over 40% Jews. The most recent research by the Majdanek Museum indicates that there were 78,000 victims, 59,000 of whom were Jews. (Compare with 306,000 above.)
At least 250,000 people were killed in Sobibór. The victims were mostly Jews from Poland.
The deaths listed for the remaining sites do not come close to another 3.8 million, much less 80 to 90% Jews. Some samples are:
The total number of deaths at Buchenwald is estimated at 56,545 with little mention of Jews.
At Bergen-Belsen, an estimated 50,000 people died there, up to 35,000 of them dying of typhus in the first few months of 1945.
Of the roughly 30,000 wartime victims at Sachsenhausen, most were Russian prisoners of war.
At Maly Trostenets Yad Vashem currently estimates the number killed as 65,000 while German historian Christian Gerlach estimates the number to be in the range of 40,000-60,000, mostly Jews from Minsk.
At Ravensbruk, about 30,000 to 40,000 women and children perished there, mostly Polish, few Jews.
Various historians place the total death toll in the four main camps of Mauthausen, Gusen I, Gusen II and Gusen III at between 55,000 and 60,000.
Over 200,000 prisoners were housed in Dachau of which nearly one-third were Jews; 32,099 prisoners are believed to have died in the camp and almost another 10,000 in its subcamps, primarily from disease.
At Dachau signs now read that the facilities were never used as gas chambers to murder anyone. In fact, there's no evidence that any "death camps" used poison gas, gas chambers or gas ovens to kill. Yet Wikipedia lists millions of Jews murdered in every camp in poison gas chambers that could hold thousands of people at a time. This is necessary to account for the number of deaths, "75% of all European Jews".
Wikipedia also states that 11 million people died in the "death camps", almost the same number of non-Jews as Jews. How does this fit with the claim that 80 to 90% of the deaths in the principal "death camps" were Jews. Millions of non-Jews have just disappeared. Finally, Wikipedia states that the first credible news of the "death camps" arrived in the West around D-Day, June, 1944, yet the Holocaust Industry is still trying to collect reparations from America for its failure to intervene at an earlier date in the European War on behalf of the Jews.
An important objective study, which is suppressed, is the 1948 report by the International Red Cross, covering its activities during World War II (1942-1945) in the camps maintained by the German authorities. They were allowed to deliver over one million parcels of food, clothing and medicine to the inmates. It stated their efforts were hindered not by the Germans but by the Allied blockade of Germany and the dire situation in Germany during the final months of the war was due to "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (carpet bombing). It also states that large numbers of "the three million or so European Jews avoided internment altogether". Did they say 3 million? (It seems there was a massive migration of Jews out of Europe in the 1930's to America and in the 1940's to Israel.) There is no mention whatsoever of genocide, gas chambers, death showers, poison gas, etc.; quite the contrary.
In lengthy books about World War II written by Churchill and Eisenhower, there is not a single mention of Jews being genocided in Nazi "death camps".
Qualified engineers inspected the "death camps" and stated that the facilities were showers and could not be used as gas chambers and that the alleged deaths were "impossible". They were imprisoned.
There is ample testimony of eyewitness inmates which belie the existence of "death camps". They are suppressed or imprisoned.
The Nuremberg trials were hate theater orchestrated by the Zionists under the London Agreement. Testimony was obtained by torture. German generals were castrated by constant kicks to the groin.
In 1933 Samuel Untermeyer said there were 14 million Jews in the world. By 1940 this exploded to 17 million (an astonishing racial fecundity) and then imploded to 11 million in 1945 due to the Holocaust. But in an article in 1948, Hanson Baldwin, the war expert of the New York Times, said there were then 15 to 17 million Jews in the world, almost the same number as 1940.
Earlier demographers said that there were 14 to 15 million Jews during the period of the "Holocaust". Today there are less than 14 million, about the same number as in 1933. Almost half are now in the United States, twice the number of 1920.
Here's how Wikipedia explains the discrepancies:
"Deniers often use the 'Four Million Variant' as a stepping stone to leap...to the idea that the Holocaust was a hoax perpetrated by a [Zionist] conspiracy. They hope to discredit historians by making them seem inconsistent. One must wonder which historians they speak of, as most have been remarkably consistent in their estimates of a million or so dead. In short, all of the denier's blustering about the 'Four Million Variant' is a specious attempt to envelope the reader into their web of deceit, and it can be discarded after the most rudimentary examination of published histories."
Then why are Zionists still using the 6 million number, knowing it is "specious"? Millions of non-Jews died, too. The numbers don't make sense. Do Zionists fear any inquiries will prove there was no Holocaust at all and thus "stone wall" all inquiries? It's like the Protocols. In the 1930's they had a Swiss judge (Meyer) declare the Protocols a forgery but this was reversed on appeal. Yet Zionism still claims the Protocols are a proven forgery. The "web of deceit" is clearly Zionist.
According to one article, "The carnage of World War II surpassed that of World War I. German war losses alone were estimated at 7 million, about half of whom died in battle. Ruined, defeated, and divided into zones of occupation, a much smaller Germany emerged in 1945 with a population about the same as in 1910." (Russian losses were immeasurable; it bore the brunt of the German Army.)
After the war, millions more Germans died by starvation and disease in a ruined society, and 1.5 million German soldiers died in Eisenhower's Andersonville-like death camps, under the infamous and barbarous Morganthau Baruch Plans. American soldiers were then, as in World War I and today, the unwitting rapiers of Zionist hatred and greed. Note the commanders of the Allied Army in Europe, Eisenhower and Clark, were Jews.
Apparently, Zionists will stop at nothing to crush all inquiries of the Holocaust by every possible means. Their reach and fanaticism is awesome. They have a "million eyes" watching everything and everybody (cf. the Protocols). What are they afraid of? Is the Holocaust a "house of cards"? If it falls, so does Zionism, Israel and the lucrative Holocaust Industry. And, despite the conditioning of the Zionist media monopoly, people everywhere are waking up to its deceptions.
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You have to laugh at obsidian, he submits evidence from known charlatans as proof of his claims:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_A._Leuchter
The problem is: he so wants there to be conspiracies, he can no longer look at things objectively.
By who's standards? Is he the Charlatan? Sometimes the losers of war have the more honest version. Official History is written by the "Victors" - who have more to lose and therefore cleanse their own version of events.
The fact that Leuchter's career was destroyed and criminal charges brought against him tells you something about the establishment that tried to discredit and silence him and any questioning of the "holocaust".
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/wolzek/1988_LeuchterReport.htm (http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/wolzek/1988_LeuchterReport.htm)
Background
FROM APPROXIMATELY 1979 through 1988, Fred Leuchter had worked with most of the states in the United States that carried out capital punishment. He specialized in the design and manufacture of execution equipment including electrocution systems, lethal injection equipment, gallows, and gas chamber hardware. The year 1988 would forever change the life of Fred Leuchter.
In 1988, Ernst Zündel, a German-Canadian publisher found himself on trial for violating a false news law in Canada. Mr. Zündel had published a work by Richard Harwood entitled, Did Six Million Really Die? The Zündel defense team, needing to support the views of the Harwood work followed the recommendation of Prof. Robert Faurisson that a gas chamber expert be located who could evaluate the alleged gas chambers in Poland and report on their efficacy for execution purposes. Bill Armontrout, Warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary named Fred Leuchter as the only consultant in the United States in the design, operation, and maintenance of gas chambers during his testimony at the Zündel Trial. Leuchter was a perfect choice, he was the only expert on execution gas chambers in the United States and he believed in the Nazi Genocide of the Jews. Mr. Leuchter writes, " Like all American children born during and after World War II, I was taught about the genocide perpetrated by the Nazi's on the Jews. By the time I had reached college, I had no reason to disbelieve any of my education." (Leuchter Report: The How and Why p. 133, hereafter LR:H&W)
Leuchter was asked by the Defense team to go to Poland and undertake a physical inspection and forensic analysis of the alleged execution gas chambers. On February 25, 1988 Leuchter set out to Poland to examine the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek. Leuchter examined the buildings believed in the literature to be gas chambers. He also conducted a forensic examination in which physical samples of brick and mortar were removed and returned to the United States for chemical analysis. The results of Leuchter's findings, a 196 page report were submitted to the Court in Canada. (Various condensed editions of The Leuchter Report have been sold around the world) Leuchter has written, "Categorically, none of the facilities examined at Auschwitz, Birkenau or Lublin could have supported, or in fact did support, multiple executions utilizing hydrogen cyanide, carbon monoxide or any other allegedly or factually lethal gas." (LR:H&W p. 138). Leuchter writes in his famous report, "the author finds no evidence that any of the facilities normally alleged to be execution gas chambers were ever used as such and finds, further, that because of the design and fabrication of these facilities, they could not have been utilized for execution gas chambers." (The Leuchter Report: Focal Point Edition p.10)
Judge Ron Thomas decided that Leuchter was qualified as an expert in the design, construction, maintenance, and operation of gas chambers.
Leuchter was allowed to give his opinions on the operation and suitability of the various facilities to function as execution gas chambers. The Report itself was not allowed to be filed. Defense counsel was instructed not to refer to The Leuchter Report during the in-chief examination. Although the Report was not accepted by the court, it had a staggering effect. Many would become skeptical of the establishment version of the Holocaust story based on this report.
Best-selling British historian David Irving writes, "Shown this evidence for the first time when called as an expert witness a the Zündel trial in Toronto in April 1988, the laboratory reports were shattering." Irving goes on, "No significant trace [of cyanide compounds] whatsoever was found in the buildings... labeled as the camp's infamous gas chambers. Nor, as the reports' gruesomely expert author makes plain, could the design and construction of those buildings have made their use as mass gas-chambers feasible under any circumstances." (Leuchter Report: Focal Point Edition p. 6)
This, however, was not the end of story for Fred Leuchter. Leuchter, who was universally acknowledged for his expertise in the area of execution equipment, was now under attack for his testimony. Leuchter appeared on various television shows including Prime Time Live in which he was called, "the country's reigning expert on execution." He was featured in The Atlantic Quarterly regarding the issue of capital punishment. He was even featured on the front page of The New York Times in 1991. The caption beneath his picture reads, "Fred A. Leuchter Jr. a consultant to 16 states on execution, holding a helmet used in electrocutions." Although none of these appearances or articles were in regard to The Leuchter Report, The New York Times briefly mentioned Leuchter's testimony in the article claiming, "The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith revealed that Mr. Leuchter, testifying for a neo-Nazi group in a Canadian trial, had called Hitler's extermination of Jews in gas chambers a myth. Mr. Leuchter says he is no Nazi sympathizer and was simply speaking as an expert witness."
The attack had begun.
Fred Leuchter explained the attack as follows, "A five pronged-attack has been initiated against me...depriving me of my civil rights and the right to make a living at my chosen profession. This had consisted of the following:
Political threats to prison officials who choose to deal with me.
Vilification by private contacts as well as in newsprint and on television.
Legislation to prohibit my working at my profession.
Criminal prosecution for working at my profession.
Lies spread by public officials, both officially and privately." (Witch Hunt in Boston p.455)
The situation only worsened for Leuchter. In his speech given to the Eleventh IHR conference in October of 1992 he told of his imprisonment by the German government. But still, with lack of funds, lack of work, a slandered name, Leuchter would not renounce his study, " Although my findings will ultimately be accepted by all, I still have no contracts, have been unable to find work and have no income." Is there life after Persecution? p.444)
PARTIAL BIBLIOGRAPHY
The Complete Leuchter Report (Court Document, 1988 Trial of Ernst Zündel)
The Leuchter Report: The First Forensic Examination of Auschwitz (Focal Point Publications - 81 Duke Street, London W1M 5DJ
The Second Leuchter Report: Dachau, Mauthausen, Hartheim
The Third Leuchter Report: A Technical Report on the Execution Gas Chamber - Mississippi State Penitentiary Parchman, Mississippi
The Fourth Leuchter Report: An Engineering Evaluation of Jean-Claude Pressac's Book "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers"
The Leuchter Congress- (Events of March 23, 1991 - Munich, Germany)
The Leuchter Report: The How and the Why (Journal of Historical Review Vol. IX, No.2 Summer 1989)
Witch Hunt in Boston (Journal of Historical Review Vol. X , No. 4 Winter 1990-91)
Is There Life after Persecution? (Journal of Historical Review Vol. XII, No. 4 Winter 1992-93)
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Here you go over 7 million names all searchable all with family testimonies and the majority of them have backup data that the germans kept!
http://www.yadvashem.org/
I was like you, I use to doubt the number, then in 2011 I was on a 3 week tour in europe, you see the massive camps still standing, you see the lists, you see with your own eyes things that reminds you how low humanity can go. This was before the mass ISIS beheadings etc.
You have still not denounced Ignatiev, Spectre or Gysi. I posted the videos, and no word from you on the anti-white hatred positions they take??? hmmmmm....
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so everything is a lie except what you hear from people who are trying to sell you canned food, gold and dvd's about the end of the world?
You need serious rehab in a country like north korea, you radical muslim scumbag, you keep repeating what these radicals preach, no Holocaust and 9/11 was faked so america can invade their shitholes.
And the minority controlled media is not trying to sell canned food? Whom to believe - the assholes who make money off a lie, or those that are seeking the truth and being swamped in their own countries? Hmm, I guess you'll go with those that have money to lose - wtf??! Nice logical choice dumbass. Or maybe you have a dog in the fight?? Yep!
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What was the first thing i said to you, obsidian? the FIRST thing!! lol, STOP fucking spamming with pages and pages of copy and paste jobs and try to construct something coherent, rather than clinging to clearly falsified propaganda that you've selected due to your extreme confirmation bias. I genuinely believe you are mentally ill at this point, and any further discussion with you would be futile, but at least it’s been made clear now that you and your kind do not have the ability to rationalise your indefensible revisionism of history, nor do you have the intellect to ever deceive and manipulate enough people into believing the bullshit you spew, so you’re effectively toothless.
I began by acknowledging the bombing of Dresden was awful, and resulted in a huge amount of civilian casualties; widely accepted at around 25,000, by the Germans too. You then go on to post a bunch of pictures which have absolutely no relevance at all, because there’s no dispute that the bombing happened, or that it resulted in huge devastation, and claim that the figure is nearer half a million...far more than the number of casualties from both Hiroshima AND Nagasaki!
I give you clear examples of how the numbers from the Holocaust were calculated, from a wide variety of unbiased sources, including testimonies of all the allied soldiers that were there and seen it, SS statements, huge amounts and documentation, and pre-war/post war census reports. Your response?
“I don't believe that bullshit 5-6 million figure for a second. It was fabricated. The World Almanac numbers were revised afterwards by fake Jews to play into their narrative”
To anyone other than you, it’s blindingly obvious that you’re so deeply in denial, that you will disregard anything that proves you wrong. I’d just said to you how there were many examples of revisionists who attempted to manipulate census reports and were exposed for it, then you immediately launch your “ the Jews faked it” rant, as though you haven’t even read a word i've just wrote.
I tell you that there’s no need to go around copy and pasting the “real meaning of the word holocaust” because i don’t give a fuck and it’s irrelevant, so you move on to copy and pasting the definition of the Holodomor, which i am already fully aware of, along with another revised and propagandised version of events, in which you ignore Stalin’s Regime and instead blame it on the Jews again lol. You are a joke!
and it is an aside to the topic we are discussing anyway. You've merely put it there because you haven’t a clue what it is you’re arguing about, which is what i addressed earlier when i said you keep conflating various different topics in order to try and link it all back to what you WISH was the root of the problem.
The purpose of the two videos i linked, was not an appeal to emotion, it was so you might actually watch them and see the fucking evidence which is right in front of you. We know what starving people look like, the point is, that you refuse to accept what went on in these camps, you disregard all the quantitative and qualitative evidence, even when it’s clearly coming from unbiased sources, because you’re a retard who can’t seem to come to terms with the fact that he’s wrong. Watch it and learn about the realities of the camps, the facts uncovered when the camps were liberated, and how huge amounts of proof was used in court when the trials began afterwards.
I point out the fact that all your information is coming from racist, white supremacists with an agenda, and you respond with MORE links from the same people, with another wall of text written by a prominent and open white supremacist, who is an advocate of racial segregation, and who has gone on to admit, like the other noted revisionist, Irving, that millions of Jews did in fact die during the holocaust. The only favourable opinion of this asshole is the one he wrote himself for his own website.
You allow your own misguided prejudices and ridiculous beliefs to skew reality and block you from looking at issues objectively. I'm white and British, i have no allegiance to the Jews or any wish to align myself to either side of the political spectrum; i only care about the truth of something. If something is demonstrably false, and i've found myself to be wrong, i change my point of view. You are incapable of this because you’re a brainwashed idiot who’s been indoctrinated into a cult of morons. I explained to you a little bit about why you shouldn't conflate the issue of Israel and Palestine with the cause of the holocaust, i guided you to do a bit of reading with regards to it’s history, the Balfour declaration, and the U.N; you respond with “why are Jews in Israel in the first place?….this is all a scam”. See what i mean about talking to a brick wall?
Criticism of Israel in regards to its current stance with Palestine, i can completely accept you referring to them as aggressors, i disagree with a lot of their current tactics now, although i criticise the actions of certain Palestinian groups too. Where you go wrong, and why you are rightfully regarded as a mongchild, is because you confuse all these different issues and try to mould them all together into one simplified version of history and current events that fits into your narrative. Please….PLEASE! no more walls of copy and pastes, just accept that you've been dealt a shit hand in life, with regards to your cognitive abilities, and have a strong think about killing yourself at the earliest opportunity.
I'd take a copy paste over any of the bullshit you just wrote. Damn mate, go change your tampons CamponFreedom, before we start calling you CaptainBleedom! haha
Were you alive during the Second World War? Did you spend time in a concentration camp? Then how the fuck do you know how it went down, other that what you have been told. Which is just another form of "copy and paste" - moron! Those history books and tv shows you watched were all "copy and paste" jobs. You have been brainwashed. And you are being replaced in your own country, CaptainCuckold! I guess you deserve it - I will not give two shits if every last pub closes and you lose your identity - if every fucking Brit thinks like you do then adious bitch! Nature demands survival of the fittest and you have rolled over - bye!
Look at what the fake jewish milliband brothers have been doing to the UK:
http://counterjihadreport.com/2015/04/16/former-uk-cabinet-minister-labours-mass-immigration-policy-was-designed-to-rub-the-rights-nose-in-diversity/ (http://counterjihadreport.com/2015/04/16/former-uk-cabinet-minister-labours-mass-immigration-policy-was-designed-to-rub-the-rights-nose-in-diversity/)
(https://counterjihadnews.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/david-miliband-ed-miliband.jpg?w=584&h=302)
David Miliband (left) wants the US to take in 65,000 mostly Muslim Syrians into the country before the end of 2016. He and brother Ed (right) helped bring economically and socially destructive mass immigration to the UK.
"Former UK cabinet minister: Labour’s mass immigration policy was designed to “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”
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Phil is 100% Hebrew. Our genes express themselves in various ways. Phil has recessive genes. Thus, the light skin, light eyes.
Paying taxes, avoiding jail, being a non-predator in general, are all recessive Hebrew genes.
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Jews demand: “Europe MUST become multicultural whether Whites like it or not”
(https://www.nordfront.se/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Rosenberg2.png)
The church of Sweden invited the subversive Jewish leader Göran Rosenberg to hold a speech to Swedish politicians in an opening ceremony for the government. In his genocidal speech, the Jew openly celebrates the extermination of the Aryan race:
“…Multiculturalism is the destiny and challenge for Europe whether the Europeans want it or not…”
Jew Göran Rosenberg is an illegal occupant of Sweden. As an uninvited foreign guest, he has shown his gratitude to the Swedish people, by enthusiastically lobbying for the replacement and extermination of the original native population through ‘immivasion’.