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I think I am entering unknown territory my friends. The depth of my pain seems bottomless. :'(
Got a lot of shit going on at the minute and starting to buckle under the pressure.
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I think I am entering unknown territory my friends. The depth of my pain seems bottomless. :'(
Got a lot of shit going on at the minute and starting to buckle under the pressure.
Has the situation evolved? You said you had siblings? Any help on that side?
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I think I am entering unknown territory my friends. The depth of my pain seems bottomless. :'(
Got a lot of shit going on at the minute and starting to buckle under the pressure.
Bud, go get some help. Seriously...
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Don't try and 'get through this' by yourself.
There are people out there who will do their best to help you. Find them and ask them to help. Sometimes whatever 'it' is, is more than one person can deal with.
Good luck mate.
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Don't try and 'get through this' by yourself.
There are people out there who will do their best to help you. Find them and ask them to help. Sometimes whatever 'it' is, is more than one person can deal with.
Good luck mate.
This, even if only temporarily.
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abstain from orgasms for a while and meditate.
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I think I am entering unknown territory my friends. The depth of my pain seems bottomless. :'(
Got a lot of shit going on at the minute and starting to buckle under the pressure.
Don't be afraid to seek out professional help. Regardless of what you are going through, you are truly never alone.
Sharing with us can be a good start (sans the shitty comments). We can certainly chime in with our opinions and provide you with a slightly more objective view of reality.
Hang in there,
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There are over 7 billion people in the world.
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Stay alive for your family dont be shellfish. Dont put family through pain because u given up!, keepbusy with life weather the storm
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Stay alive for your family dont be shellfish.
Agreed. I stay away from them.
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abstain from orgasms for a while and meditate.
+1
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This is what I am going through. Good article.
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http://in5d.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soul/ (http://in5d.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soul/)
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This is what I am going through. Good article.
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http://in5d.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soul/ (http://in5d.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soul/)
Sounds like New Age woo woo, but I wish you peace. And truly sorry about Pop.
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That article is a bunch of nonsense. If you are going through a hard time there is no need to define it with esoteric psycho-babble.. The truth is that tough times are just that - TOUGH times. Getting through them will make you stronger, but you don't need to pretend it's some silly journey. Happiness is a CHOICE. Period. Once you fully understand this you will control your happiness. There does not have to be a constant ebb and flow of our emotions. Will you feel better some days than others? Of course. But when you learn that you can CHOOSE each day to be happy you will never have to have miserable days again. Circumstances do not define our happiness - things that happen in our lives do not either. We have the incredible power to simply CHOOSE to be happy each and every day.
I do hope that you feel better man - i will definitely say a prayer for you.
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This is what I am going through. Good article.
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http://in5d.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soul/ (http://in5d.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soul/)
that is the kinda of website that has so far caused 30% of internet users to use adblockers
As far as what you are experiencing , almost everyone regardless if they admit it or not is going thru something. Many people hide their life drama well hence we see so many suicides by people everyone thought are doing great.
My only advice to you is, reflect on your life and remember the darkest of times that you felt you are done, then remember how that passed. Obviously for new drama to hurt it must be greater than the last.
There is a good chance that In a year from now you will laugh at your current situation.
MOST IMPORTANT! Whatever you do, do not turn to no religion or god or prayer. These things just lead people into bottomless pits hence the world is so full of misery. DO not read no bible do not go to churches or pray or ask anyone to pray. Just do whatever you can within your power and do not involve any god or gods nor anyone who believes in that.
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We co-regulate each other. Talk to anyone (a friend, family member, etc.).
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I think I am entering unknown territory my friends. The depth of my pain seems bottomless. :'(
Got a lot of shit going on at the minute and starting to buckle under the pressure.
What is causing the pain? Keep the answer short - Maximum 10 sentenses!
Thoughts? Life on this planet? Traped in a environment u dont like? No friend? Love? Or something else?
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Bipolar? One day concur the word, other day kill yourself?
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Bipolar? One day concur the word, other day kill yourself?
I concur.
Word.
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I think I am entering unknown territory my friends. The depth of my pain seems bottomless. :'(
Got a lot of shit going on at the minute and starting to buckle under the pressure.
Hang in there, I have been there before. Like OMR said try to get some professional help. At the very least friends and or family you can talk to.
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Bipolar? One day concur the word, other day kill yourself?
yep
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That article is a bunch of nonsense. If you are going through a hard time there is no need to define it with esoteric psycho-babble.. The truth is that tough times are just that - TOUGH times. Getting through them will make you stronger, but you don't need to pretend it's some silly journey. Happiness is a CHOICE. Period. Once you fully understand this you will control your happiness. There does not have to be a constant ebb and flow of our emotions. Will you feel better some days than others? Of course. But when you learn that you can CHOOSE each day to be happy you will never have to have miserable days again. Circumstances do not define our happiness - things that happen in our lives do not either. We have the incredible power to simply CHOOSE to be happy each and every day.
I do hope that you feel better man - i will definitely say a prayer for you.
good post words i live by
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Hang in there, I have been there before. Like OMR said try to get some professional help. At the very least friends and or family you can talk to.
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Stay strong buddy............you`ll make it through.
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Sounds like New Age woo woo, but I wish you peace. And truly sorry about Pop.
I notice a few getbiggers dismissed this article, I wonder if they even read it. It describes the process of the so called 'Dark Night of the Soul.' If you have never been through a similar experience you wont be able to identify with what is written in that article. But if you are in the throes of the dark night, every word of that article is spot on. The Dark Night of the Soul isn't often discussed, but it ha long been known to be a well known path to spiritual wisdom, albeit a painful one. You can experience several of them over the course of a lifetime, this is the third time it has happened to me, the most powerful one yet. Those who live a superficial life will have no idea what I am talking about, most people are asleep.
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I notice a few getbiggers dismissed this article, I wonder if they even read it. It describes the process of the so called 'Dark Night of the Soul.' If you have never been through a similar experience you wont be able to identify with what is written in that article. But if you are in the throes of the dark night, every word of that article is spot on. The Dark Night of the Soul isn't often discussed, but it ha long been known to be a well known path to spiritual wisdom, albeit a painful one. You can experience several of them over the course of a lifetime, this is the third time it has happened to me, the most powerful one yet. Those who live a superficial life will have no idea what I am talking about, most people are asleep.
You need God's wisdom to guide your life , you need to find a good woman and have kids.
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You need God's wisdom to guide your life , you need to find a good woman and have kids.
You're an idiot.
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You're an idiot.
I'm really sorry , I was just trying to help .
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I'm really sorry , I was just trying to help .
Oh OK. People mean well, but such cliche advice in my circumstances just seems banal and absurd. If you apply your logic to my life it doesn't really look like a fairytale. I am 42, never married, not had any kids, currently single and all the woman available to a man like me are dragging kids and emotional baggage a mile long behind them. No, I am beyond needing such things, such a thing would only burden and imprison me. I am serious about my spiritual growth, and sometimes a family and children can be a burden to such endeavours. I know I am on the verge of a breakthrough, emotionally, physically, spiritually. It is just tough, that is all. If you have ever experienced such troubling times you will know what I mean, if you haven't yet experienced such things, I wish you luck for when you inevitably do.
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something seems fishy...radical plato was lambasting anything even remotely spiritual as woo woo not long ago, now hes likening his current tribulations to a dark night of the soul?
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something seems fishy...radical plato was lambasting anything even remotely spiritual as woo woo not long ago, now hes likening his current tribulations to a dark night of the soul?
not uncommon to see people lambasting things they are secretly curious about or engaged in
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something seems fishy...radical plato was lambasting anything even remotely spiritual as woo woo not long ago, now hes likening his current tribulations to a dark night of the soul?
I never lambasted anything even remotely spiritual, only woo woo spirituality, which there is countless variants of. This may come as a surprise to you Bigro, but I have researched religion from the age of 12, I have never stopped investigating such matters. I actually latched unto buddhism in my late teens and early twenties, and was pretty much right into it, meditation the whole bit. That's why I mock you, you're now where I was in my late teens, swept away with the seductive lure of the mystic eastern traditions and telling anyone who will listen. When I read your posts I know exactly what you are going through, because I have been through it and came out the other side and realised there was a lot more to it than meets the eye. My first dark night of the soul shook me out of my idealistic take on Buddhism and I realised it was the dark path that would lead me to the light. Everyone thinks spirituality is all about finding happiness and peace and contentment, people forget the other side, the dark paths that few travellers dare ever confront.
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Oh OK. People mean well, but such cliche advice in my circumstances just seems banal and absurd. If you apply your logic to my life it doesn't really look like a fairytale. I am 42, never married, not had any kids, currently single and all the woman available to a man like me are dragging kids and emotional baggage a mile long behind them. No, I am beyond needing such things, such a thing would only burden and imprison me. I am serious about my spiritual growth, and sometimes a family and children can be a burden to such endeavours. I know I am on the verge of a breakthrough, emotionally, physically, spiritually. It is just tough, that is all. If you have ever experienced such troubling times you will know what I mean, if you haven't yet experienced such things, I wish you luck for when you inevitably do.
A lot of crazy people post on GB. Where's Cephissus?
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Agreed. I stay away from them.
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lolz
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I never lambasted anything even remotely spiritual, only woo woo spirituality, which there is countless variants of. This may come as a surprise to you Bigro, but I have researched religion from the age of 12, I have never stopped investigating such matters. I actually latched unto buddhism in my late teens and early twenties, and was pretty much right into it, meditation the whole bit. That's why I mock you, you're now where I was in my late teens, swept away with the seductive lure of the mystic eastern traditions and telling anyone who will listen. When I read your posts I know exactly what you are going through, because I have been through it and came out the other side and realised there was a lot more to it than meets the eye. My first dark night of the soul shook me out of my idealistic take on Buddhism and I realised it was the dark path that would lead me to the light. Everyone thinks spirituality is all about finding happiness and peace and contentment, people forget the other side, the dark paths that few travellers dare ever confront.
Sorry there is a lot less to it than meets the eye, all BS
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Don't be afraid to seek out professional help. Regardless of what you are going through, you are truly never alone.
Sharing with us can be a good start (sans the shitty comments). We can certainly chime in with our opinions and provide you with a slightly more objective view of reality.
Hang in there,
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This and never ever act (self harm, send hateful messages etc) at night/when emotional. I literally just texted a mate who is owed money by a friend the same advice. Sleep and then think.
It is not unusual to feel overcome with burdens. All adults experience it. Failed relationships, money problems, addiction, feeling like shit. You arent a headcase and it is tough to deal with. For anyone. Id say some bollox like time heals but for now just know that as omr said a problem shared is a problem halved. No shame in it.
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This and never ever act (self harm, send hateful messages etc) at night/when emotional. I literally just texted a mate who is owed money by a friend the same advice. Sleep and then think.
It is not unusual to feel overcome with burdens. All adults experience it. Failed relationships, money problems, addiction, feeling like shit. You arent a headcase and it is tough to deal with. For anyone. Id say some bollox like time heals but for now just know that as omr said a problem shared is a problem halved. No shame in it.
Thanks.
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Thanks.
No probs man, you elevated yourself above most people by opening up.
It is hard but wait, wait, wait and the shitty internal criticism will disspiate.
You are probably your own worst critic now; you can't silence that, just learn to argue against it and win. Again, that takes time. Do some real exercise (walk in nature), it really helps.
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I think I am entering unknown territory my friends. The depth of my pain seems bottomless. :'(
Got a lot of shit going on at the minute and starting to buckle under the pressure.
i know you don't believe in God, but there is a saying, "God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle".
You'll get through it, you can handle it. And you'll find that you will come out stronger than you were before.
Think of those who are going through far worse, in term of physical, emotional, and mental torment.
Have some faith in your ability. But, don't be afraid to seek help or guidance in the matter.
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i know you don't believe in God, but there is a saying, "God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle".
You'll get through it, you can handle it. And you'll find that you will come out stronger than you were before.
Think of those who are going through far worse, in term of physical, emotional, and mental torment.
Have some faith in your ability. But, don't be afraid to seek help or guidance in the matter.
Not the place for it, so I'll just say thus: Man, what a complete crock of shit. You've honestly never seen examples proving the ridiculousness here?
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i know you don't believe in God, but there is a saying, "God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle".
You'll get through it, you can handle it. And you'll find that you will come out stronger than you were before.
Think of those who are going through far worse, in term of physical, emotional, and mental torment.
Have some faith in your ability. But, don't be afraid to seek help or guidance in the matter.
"there is a saying, "God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle".
Really? What kinda BS is this
Also the fact that others are dealing with situations that are worse should not matter, thinking about that leads to laziness and bs
People need to refrain from offering nice sweet little BS sayings when people are in need, speak the truth and help a fellow human for real
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"there is a saying, "God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle".
Really? What kinda BS is this
Also the fact that others are dealing with situations that are worse should not matter, thinking about that leads to laziness and bs
People need to refrain from offering nice sweet little BS sayings when people are in need, speak the truth and help a fellow human for real
The type of BS that came from a people who were brought over to the New World to work as slaves and to keep hope up that they would someday be out of bondage.
Ther is a certain type of "internal strength" that one needs or has developed to deal with situations in life. To keep it going.
Many of the situations that we all go through, are ones that people have gone through before, and they didn't crack or break. And they discovered they changed due to that---for better or worse.
You can either look at that plate and say "I can't handle it", or you can look at it and say, "I got this, but I am going need some time."
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This and never ever act (self harm, send hateful messages etc) at night/when emotional. I literally just texted a mate who is owed money by a friend the same advice. Sleep and then think.
It is not unusual to feel overcome with burdens. All adults experience it. Failed relationships, money problems, addiction, feeling like shit. You arent a headcase and it is tough to deal with. For anyone. Id say some bollox like time heals but for now just know that as omr said a problem shared is a problem halved. No shame in it.
All kidding aside, this is actually a pretty intelligent post.
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i know you don't believe in God, but there is a saying, "God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle".
You'll get through it, you can handle it. And you'll find that you will come out stronger than you were before.
Think of those who are going through far worse, in term of physical, emotional, and mental torment.
Have some faith in your ability. But, don't be afraid to seek help or guidance in the matter.
this
also.. real men don't share their sorrows with other dudes on the internet. Just bury that stuff deep inside and never visit it again!!!!
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i know you don't believe in God, but there is a saying, "God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle".
You'll get through it, you can handle it. And you'll find that you will come out stronger than you were before.
Think of those who are going through far worse, in term of physical, emotional, and mental torment.
Have some faith in your ability. But, don't be afraid to seek help or guidance in the matter.
God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle? Biggest load of shit ever. So he knows just the right amount to put on your plate? Is it one scoop of shit, or two? How about God isn't controlling anything, he isn't sitting up there on his perch pulling the strings here and there. Just a way to justify shitty things happening is all.
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All kidding aside, this is actually a pretty intelligent post.
Speaking from experience.
I never had a "higher power" I could relate to, and thinks won't get easy. You learn to deal with them better.
I have to repeat it again, do not act rashly late at night/when upset/drunk/high/angry. That's a temporary urge so ride it out (do whatever to sleep just get a night's sleep) then think/react. I had an operation on larynx in April, lost voice in July 2014; was a major catalyst in change because I couldn't shout.
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This is what I am going through. Good article.
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http://in5d.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soul/ (http://in5d.com/getting-through-the-dark-night-of-the-soul/)
Good read.
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Stay strong buddy............you`ll make it through.
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And dont be afraid to seek out help, whether medically or through peer/community groups or all for that matter
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I never lambasted anything even remotely spiritual, only woo woo spirituality, which there is countless variants of. This may come as a surprise to you Bigro, but I have researched religion from the age of 12, I have never stopped investigating such matters. I actually latched unto buddhism in my late teens and early twenties, and was pretty much right into it, meditation the whole bit. That's why I mock you, you're now where I was in my late teens, swept away with the seductive lure of the mystic eastern traditions and telling anyone who will listen. When I read your posts I know exactly what you are going through, because I have been through it and came out the other side and realised there was a lot more to it than meets the eye. My first dark night of the soul shook me out of my idealistic take on Buddhism and I realised it was the dark path that would lead me to the light. Everyone thinks spirituality is all about finding happiness and peace and contentment, people forget the other side, the dark paths that few travellers dare ever confront.
Please read....
CHAPTER ELEVEN
LOVE IS THE LAW OF GOD MIRDAD DIVINES ESTRANGEMENT BETWEEN TWO COMPANIONS, CALLS FOR HARP AND SINGS HYMN OF THE NEW ARK
MIRDAD: Love is the Law of god. You live that you may learn to love. You love that you may learn to live. No other lesson is required of Man. And what is it to love but for the lover to absorb forever the beloved so that the twain be one?
And whom, or what, is one to love? Is one to choose a certain leaf upon the Tree of Life and pour upon it all one’s heart? What of the branch that bears the leaf? What of the stem that holds the branch? What of the bark that shields the stem? What of the roots that feed the bark, the stem, the branches and the leaves? What of the soil embosoming the roots? What of the sun, and sea, and air that fertilize the soil?
You say,’ But there be leaves and leaves upon a single tree. Some are healthy, some are sick; some are beautiful, some, ugly; some are giant, some are dwarfs. How can we help but pick and choose?’
I say to you, Out of the paleness of the sick proceeds the freshness of the healthy. I further say to you that ugliness is Beauty’s palette, paint and brush; and that the dwarf would not have been a dwarf had he not given of his stature to the giant.
You are the Tree of Life. Beware of fractioning yourselves. Set not a fruit against a fruit, a leaf against a leaf, a bough against a bough; nor set the stem against the roots; nor set the tree against the mother-soil. That is precisely what you do when you love one part more than the rest, or to the exclusion of the rest.
You are the Tree of Life. Your roots are everywhere. Your boughs and leaves are everywhere. Your fruits are in every mouth. What ever be the fruits upon that tree; whatever be its boughs and leaves; whatever be its roots, they are your fruits; they are your leaves and boughs; they are your roots; if you would have the tree bear sweet and fragrant fruit, if you would have it ever strong and green, see to the sap wherewith you feed the roots.
Love is the sap of Life. While hatred is the pus of Death. But Love, like blood, must circulate unhindered in the veins. Repress the blood, and it becomes a menace and a plague. And what is Hate but Love repressed, or Love withheld, therefore becoming such a deadly poison both to the feeder and the fed; both to the hater and to that he hates?
A yellow leaf upon your tree of life is but a Love weaned leaf. Blame not the yellow leaf. A withered bough is but a Love-starved bough. Blame not the withered bough.
A putrid fruit is but a Hatred-suckled fruit. Blame not the putrid fruit. But rather blame your blind and stingy heart that would dole out the sap of life to few and would deny it to many, thereby denying it to itself.
No love is possible except the love of self. No self is real save the all-embracing Self. Therefore is God all Love, because he loves Himself.
So long as you are pained by Love, you have not found your real self, nor have you found the golden key of Love. Because you love an ephemeral self, you love is ephemeral.
The love of man for woman is not love. It is thereof a very distant token. The love of parent for the child is but the threshold to Love’s holy temple. Till every man be every woman’s lover , and the reverse; till every child be every parent’s child, and the reverse, let men and women brag of flesh and bone clinging to flesh and bone, but never speak the sacred name of Love. For that is blasphemy.
You have no friends so long you can count a single man as foe. The heart that harbors enmity how can it be a safe abode for friendship?
You do not know the joy of Love so long as there is hatred in your hearts. Were you to feed all things the sap of Life except a certain tiny worm, that certain tiny worm alone would embitter your life. For in loving anything, or anyone, you love in truth but yourselves. Likewise, in hating anything, or anyone, you hate in truth but yourselves. For that which you hate is bound up inseparably with that which you love, like the face and the reverse of the same coin. If you would be honest with yourselves, then must you love what you hate and what hates you before you love what you love and what loves you.
Love is not a virtue. Love is a necessity; more so than bread and water; more so than light and air.
Let no one pride himself on loving. But rather breathe in love and breathe it out just as unconsciously and freely as your breathe in the air and breathe it out.
For Love needs no one to exalt it. Love will exalt the heart that it finds worth of itself.
Love neither lends nor borrows; Love neither buys nor sells; but when it gives, it gives it s all; and when it takes, it takes its all. Its very taking is a giving. Its very giving is a taking. Therefore is it the same to-day, to-morrow and forevermore.
Just as a mighty river emptying itself in the sea is e’er replenished by the sea, so must you empty yourselves in Love that you may be ever filled with Love. The pool that would withhold the sea-gift from the sea becomes a stagnant pool. There is nor ‘more’ nor ‘less’ in Love . The moment you attempt to grade and measure Love it slips away leaving behind it bitter memories. Nor is there ‘now’ and ‘then’ , nor ‘here’ and ‘there’ in Love . All seasons are Love seasons. All spots are fit abodes for Love.
Love knows no boundaries or bars. A love whose course is checked by any obstacle whatever is not yet worthy of the name of Love.
I often hear you say that Love is blind, meaning that it can see no fault in the beloved. That kind of blindness is the height of seeing. Would you were always so blind as to behold no fault in anything. Nay, clear and penetrating is the eye of Love. Therefore, it sees no fault. When Love has purged your sight, then would you see nothing at all unworthy of your Love? Only a loveshorn, faulty eye is ever busy finding faults. Whatever fault it finds are only its own faults.
Love integrates. Hatred disintegrates. This huge and ponderous mass of earth and rock which you call Altar Peak would quickly fly asunder were it not held together by the hand of Love. Even your bodies, perishable as they seem, could certainly resist disintegration did you but love each cell of them with equal zeal.
Love is peace athrob with melodies of Life. Hatred is war agog with fiendish blasts of Death. Which would you: Love and be at everlasting peace? Or hate and be at everlasting war?
The whole earth is alive in you. The heavens and their hosts are alive in you. So love the Earth and all her suckling if you would love yourselves. And love the Heavens and all their tenants if you would love yourselves.
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and this....
CHAPTER TEN
ON JUDGMENT AND THE JUDGMENT DAY
MIRDAD: There is no judgment in my mouth, but Holy Understanding. I am not come to judge the world, but rather to unjudge it. For Ignorance alone likes to be decked in wig and robe and to propound the law and mete out penalties.
The most unsparing judge of Ignorance is Ignorance itself. Consider Man. Has he not, in ignorance, cloven himself in twain thereby inviting death upon himself and all the things that make up his divided world?
I say to you, there is not God and Man. But there is God-Man or Man-god. There is the One . However multiplied, however divided, it is forever One.
God’s oneness is god’s everlasting law. It is a self-enforcing law. Nor courts nor judges does it need to publish it abroad or to uphold its dignity and force. The Universe – the visible of it and the invisible – is but a single mouth proclaiming it to all who have but ears to hear. Is not the Sea- though vast and deep – a single drop? Is not the Earth – though flung so far – a single sphere? Are not the sphere – though numberless – a single universe?
Likewise is mankind but a single Man. Likewise is Man, with all his worlds, a singleness complete. God’s oneness, my companions, is the only law of being. Another name for it is Love. To know it and abide by it is to abide in Life. But to abide by any other law is to abide in nonbeing, or Death.
Life is gathering in. Death is a scattering out. Life is a binding together. Death is a falling away. Therefore is Man – the dualist – suspended ‘twixt the two. For he would gather in, but only through scattering out. And he would bind, but only by unbinding. In gathering and binding, he is in keeping with the Law; and Life is his reward. In scattering and unbinding he sins against The Law; and Death is his bitter prize.
Yet you, the self-condemned, would sit in judgment over men who are, like you, already selfcondemned. How horrible the judges and the judgment!
Less horrible, indeed, would be two gallows-birds each sentencing the other to the gallows.
Less laughable two oxen in one yoke each saying to the other, ‘I would yoke you’.
Less hideous two corpses in one grave exchanging condemnations to the grave.
Less pitiful two stone-blind men each plucking out the other’s eyes.
Shun every judgment seat, my companions. For to pronounce a judgment on anyone, or anything, you must not only know The Law and live comfortably thereto, but hear the evidence as well. Whom shall you hear as witness in any case at hand?
Shall you summon the wind into the court? For the wind aids and abets in any happening beneath the sky.
Or shall you cite the stars? For they are privy to all things that take place in the world?
Or shall you send subpoena to the dead from Adam till this day? For all the dead are living in the living.
To have an evidence complete in any given case the cosmos must needs be the witness. When you can hail the cosmos into court, you would require no courts. You would descend from judgment seat and let the witness be the judge.
When you know all, you would judge none. When you can gather in the worlds, you would condemn not even one of those who scatter out. For you would know that scattering condemned the scatterer. And rather than condemn the self-condemned, you would than strive to lift his condemnation.
Too overburdened now is Man with burdens self-imposed . Too rough and crooked is his road. Each judgment is an added burden, alike to the judge and the judged. If you would have your burdens light, refrain from judging any man. If you would have them vanish of themselves, sink and be lost forever in the Word. Let Understanding guide your steps if you would have your pathway straight and smooth.
Not judgment do I bring you in my mouth, but Holy Understanding. Bennoon: What of the Judgment Day? MIRDAD: Each day, Bennoon, is Judgment Day. Each creature’s accounts are balanced every twinkling of an eye. Nothing is hid. Nothing is left un-weighed.
There is no thought, no deed, no wish but are recorded in the thinker and the doer and the wisher. No though, no wish, no deed, go sterile in the world, but all beget after their kind and nature. Whatever is in keeping with God’s Law is gathered unto Life. Whatever is opposed is gathered unto Death.
Your days are not alike, Bennoon. Some are serene. They are the harvestings of hours rightly lived.
Some are beset with clouds. They are the gifts of hours half asleep in death and half awake in Life.
While others dash on you astride a storm, with lightning in their eyes, and thunder in their nostrils. They smite you from above, they whip you from below; they toss you right and left; they flatten you onto the earth and make you bite the dust and wish you were never born. Such days are the fruit of hours spent in willful opposition to the Law.
So is it with the world. The shadows already athwart the skies are not a whit less ominous than those which ushered in the Flood. Open your eyes and see.
When you observe the clouds riding the south wind northward, you say they bring your rain. Why are you not as wise in measuring the drift of human clouds? Can you not see how fast have men become entangled in their nets?
The day of disentanglement is at hand. And what a fearful day it is ! With heart and soul-veins have the nets of men been woven over the course of , lo, so many centuries. To tear men free of their nets , their very flesh must needs be torn; their very bone must needs be crushed. And men themselves shall do the tearing and the crushing.
When the lids are lifted – as surely they shall be – and when the pots give out whatever they contain – as surely they shall do – where would men hide their shame , and whither would they flee?
In that day the living shall have envy of the dead, and the dead shall curse the living. Men’s words shall stick within their throats and the light shall freeze upon their eyelids. Out of their hearts shall issue scorpions and vipers, and they shall cry in awe, ‘whence come these vipers and these scorpions’, forgetting that they lodged and reared them in their hearts.
Open your eyes and see. Right in this Ark, set as a beacon to a floundering world, there is more than you can muddle through. If the beacon have become a snare, how terrible must be the state of those at sea!
Mirdad will build you a new ark. Right in this nest shall he found it and rear it. Out of this nest shall you fly unto the world bearing not olive twigs to men, but Life inexhaustible. For that you must know The Law and keep it.
Zamora: How shall we know god’s Law and keep it?
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CHAPTER NINE
Start from here... and read whole book - will thank me later. It is not big... I read it in 2 days, once you will start you won't stop. ;) :)
THE WAY TO PAINLESS LIFE. COMPANIONS WOULD KNOW IF MIRDAD BE THE STOWAWAY
Micaster: show us the way. MIRDAD: This is the way to freedom from care and pain:
So think as if your every thought were to be etched in fire upon the sky for all and everything to see, for so, in truth, it is .
So speak as if the world entire were but a single ear intent on hearing what you say. And so, in truth , it is .
So do as if your every deed were to recoil upon your heads. And so, in truth, it does.
So wish as if you were the wish. And so, in truth, you are.
So live as if your god Himself had need of you His life to live. And so, in truth, He does.
Himbal: Declare yourself that we may know what ear to hear you with. If you be the stowaway, give us some proof.
Bennoon: The stowaway should come to judge the world, and we of the ark should sit with him in judgment. Shall we make ready for the Judgment Day?
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Read OSHO.... thank me later or don't :]
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Read OSHO.... thank me later or don't :]
I read a lot of his stuff about a decade ago, still have some of his books on the bookshelf. They are going in a big sale I am having at the moment. I got a lot out of OSHO at the time, but I have kind of moved on from the strangeness of OSHO's teachings. Didn't seem to be practical in the modern world.
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God doesn't put more on my plate than I can handle? Biggest load of shit ever. So he knows just the right amount to put on your plate? Is it one scoop of shit, or two? How about God isn't controlling anything, he isn't sitting up there on his perch pulling the strings here and there. Just a way to justify shitty things happening is all.
You are correct lilhawk1. God can't control the fact that you don't know how to use the quote function, which means quoting you would mess up my post, so therefore one has to go back and copy your post and then use the quote function with my post.
It is just a saying...you take it literally, when I take it in the figerative sense. And I sense a lot of emotions with you. The whole "oooohhhh, that's a load of shit...", a cry out for when you disagree with someone. Disagree and that's it.
Ther are people in this world that go through a lot of things, far, far worse, and make lemonade out of the urine of problems that have been thrown at them. There was a woman from the recent Congo conflict who had been brutally raped by soldiers. She made it out, came here, got a degree, and I believed her Masters. This is not to say that she doesn't have residue issues that result from her ordeal, but it is a testament to her strength (nor is this to suggest that God intended for her to be raped, so don't even try that).
Let's not use this as the way to work in one's mantra that God does or doesn't exist, but use it as a way of developing a mantra of, "I will get through this, and I will learn from this". To take the negative situation and create a positive experience
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I read a lot of his stuff about a decade ago, still have some of his books on the bookshelf. They are going in a big sale I am having at the moment. I got a lot out of OSHO at the time, but I have kind of moved on from the strangeness of OSHO's teachings. Didn't seem to be practical in the modern world.
Understand.
The Book of Mirdad then...
and always love yourself
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Understand.
The Book of Mirdad then...
and always love yourself
Thx.
Looks like a good read.
http://joysom.com/Book%20of%20Mirdad.pdf (http://joysom.com/Book%20of%20Mirdad.pdf)
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After reading a couple of pages it seems the author is enlightened or at least points to it.
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Stay alive for your family dont be shellfish. Dont put family through pain because u given up!, keepbusy with life weather the storm
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I never lambasted anything even remotely spiritual, only woo woo spirituality, which there is countless variants of. This may come as a surprise to you Bigro, but I have researched religion from the age of 12, I have never stopped investigating such matters. I actually latched unto buddhism in my late teens and early twenties, and was pretty much right into it, meditation the whole bit. That's why I mock you, you're now where I was in my late teens, swept away with the seductive lure of the mystic eastern traditions and telling anyone who will listen. When I read your posts I know exactly what you are going through, because I have been through it and came out the other side and realised there was a lot more to it than meets the eye. My first dark night of the soul shook me out of my idealistic take on Buddhism and I realised it was the dark path that would lead me to the light. Everyone thinks spirituality is all about finding happiness and peace and contentment, people forget the other side, the dark paths that few travellers dare ever confront.
Humans tend to pride themselves on their struggles and wear them as a badge of honour.
Dark night of the soul was a phrase originally from St John of the Cross and refers to a highly advanced stage where the mind cant find anything to cling to for a long time and one has not received the full positive experience. It is not a debased self induced nihilism or something triggered by unfortunate life circumstances.
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Humans tend to pride themselves on their struggles and wear them as a badge of honour.
Dark night of the soul was a phrase originally from St John of the Cross and refers to a highly advanced stage where the mind cant find anything to cling to for a long time and one has not received the full positive experience. It is not a debased self induced nihilism or something triggered by unfortunate life circumstances.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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I've dealt with this in the past.
Do you have any purpose in life?
Seriously, I went through this until I discovered a love and passion for LIFE.
Fuck all the religious brain washing. Find something that gives you a passion for life. I think that's were all these "religion" "family" "children" comments are derived. People believe having these things keep you focused and grounded.
I'm like you, single, non-religious and intelligent. We don't need other people to lead us, we just need to find that passion and follow it; whether it's religion or hiking; you need to shake up your life.
Just trying to help, from one cynical being to another.
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I've dealt with this in the past.
Do you have any purpose in life?
Seriously, I went through this until I discovered a love and passion for LIFE.
Fuck all the religious brain washing. Find something that gives you a passion for life. I think that's were all these "religion" "family" "children" comments are derived. People believe having these things keep you focused and grounded.
I'm like you, single, non-religious and intelligent. We don't need other people to lead us, we just need to find that passion and follow it; whether it's religion or hiking; you need to shake up your life.
Just trying to help, from one cynical being to another.
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Best answer so far.
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Are you here looking for support to live or reasons to die?
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Are you here looking for support to live or reasons to die?
Funny how everyone thinks the dark night of the soul is about suicide. I'm on the cusp of serious breakthroughs, they are just a very painful to endure, that is all. Those who have been through this know what I mean.
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Funny how everyone thinks the dark night of the soul is about suicide. I'm on the cusp of serious breakthroughs, they are just a very painful to endure, that is all. Those who have been through this know what I mean.
ok, but as Johnny said. Don't be shellfish.