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http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/stories/5134/most-influential-presidents?utm_medium=cm&utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=ao.cm.ob.dt.5134&utm_term=dt#30-Barack-Obama
proof of Obama's effectiveness in terms of getting things done....He gets called out about issuing executive orders but has only issued 298..well below average for presidents......some presidents have issued over a thousand
More proof that Obama critics are Bullshitters
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http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/stories/5134/most-influential-presidents?utm_medium=cm&utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=ao.cm.ob.dt.5134&utm_term=dt#30-Barack-Obama
proof of Obama's effectiveness in terms of getting things done....He gets called out about issuing executive orders but has only issued 298..well below average for presidents......some presidents have issued over a thousand
More proof that Obama critics are Bullshitters
I honestly think his presidency would have been special had right wing racism not ratcheted up to slavery levels.
Now whether what he was trying to accomplish was positive or negative is another argument. He faced unprecedented resistance during a great recession.
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I honestly think his presidency would have been special had right wing racism not ratcheted up to slavery levels.
Now whether what he was trying to accomplish was positive or negative is another argument. He faced unprecedented resistance during a great recession.
Very good analysis.....I agree 100%....I think there was a lot of unconscious and conscious racism =due to the Republicans losing their minds over a black person actually being president....probably something they never thought they would see in their lifetimes....and you are absolutely right, Obama faced UNPRECEDENTED resistance to his agenda...a lot of it hysterical......I can't remember in recent history the opposition voting in absolute unison over all of Obama's proposals
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Very good analysis.....I agree 100%....I think there was a lot of unconscious and conscious racism =due to the Republicans losing their minds over a black person actually being president....probably something they never thought they would see in their lifetimes....and you are absolutely right, Obama faced UNPRECEDENTED resistance to his agenda...a lot of it hysterical......I can't remember in recent history the opposition voting in absolute unison over all of Obama's proposals
credit where credit is due. He had the most obstinate group of rightwingers in history, historic levels of inactivity, shutting down the government over things that have been routine etc. All while going through a great recession.
He will be remembered like Clinton or better.
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credit where credit is due. He had the most obstinate group of rightwingers in history, historic levels of inactivity, shutting down the government over things that have been routine etc. All while going through a great recession.
He will be remembered like Clinton or better.
Agreed....in terms of pushing his agenda and getting it done along with the obstacles he faced, he may go down in the top 10 ...especially if Obama care works out the way he thinks it will.....notice even the tea party has been quiet lately....I guess they too like gas at under $3 a gallon and unemployment at 5.6%, which is basically FULL EMPLOYMENT in economic terms :D
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Thats pretty crazy especially considering the republicans and FOX constantly trying to sabotage everything.
If you wish for a republican president at this point, you basically have a desire to see America fail.
Or you are just an imbecil like that village idiot Coach.
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someone like trump have a perfect effect on this country...he has democratic foreign policy views and military views...but he is economically more savvy and he's not controlled by lobbyists and the federal reserve
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someone like trump have a perfect effect on this country...he has democratic foreign policy views and military views...but he is economically more savvy and he's not controlled by lobbyists and the federal reserve
I do like his "can do" attitue...it makes him appealing compared to the career politicians who are so careful and won't commit to anything..but I think Trump would be frustrated by being in government....people don't just jump and do what you tell them to like he's used to.....
Although his wife as first lady would be absolutely amazing
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Thats pretty crazy especially considering the republicans and FOX constantly trying to sabotage everything.
If you wish for a republican president at this point, you basically have a desire to see America fail.
Or you are just an imbecil like that village idiot Coach.
agreed...the Republicans have absolutely NOTHING to show for during the last seven years...they've gotten so caught up in fighting Obama because he's black, that they have lost perspective..Obama was the black boogey man they had always feared who would redistribute their wealth and give blacks and other minorities total equality...that didn't happen of course but the Tea Party and Repubs became so hysterical about it they lost their minds
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agreed...the Republicans have absolutely NOTHING to show for during the last seven years...they've gotten so caught up in fighting Obama because he's black, that they have lost perspective..Obama was the black boogey man they had always feared who would redistribute their wealth and give blacks and other minorities total equality...that didn't happen of course but the Tea Party and Repubs became so hysterical about it they lost their minds
Wrong, the republicans has shown that even by trying to fuck up everything, a liberal POTUS is still a success.
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Wrong, the republicans has shown that even by trying to fuck up everything, a liberal POTUS is still a success.
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My first reaction when seeing this was to laugh out loud. Then I decided to click the link and read the article or analysis to see whether it would change my mind. This is the sum total of the analysis from the link:
"The current POTUS still has time to rank higher (or lower) on this list. To date, he has issued 208 executive orders, well below average for U.S. presidents. However, he's had a serious impact overseas, with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."
I feel sorry for you Obamabots. :-\
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My first reaction when seeing this was to laugh out loud. Then I decided to click the link and read the article or analysis to see whether it would change my mind. This is the sum total of the analysis from the link:
"The current POTUS still has time to rank higher (or lower) on this list. To date, he has issued 208 executive orders, well below average for U.S. presidents. However, he's had a serious impact overseas, with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."
I feel sorry for you Obamabots. :-\
Yep he had serious impact with the wars he didnt start. Do you read what you write before you post?
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Yep he had serious impact with the wars he didnt start. Do you read what you write before you post?
Yes he had a tremendous impact in Iraq, with ISIS running rampant throughout the country, giving up a substantial amount of the progress before he took office. Absolute failure.
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Iran has 4 hostages... and they make a deal giving iran 150 billion dollars when they're gonna have nuclear weapons in under 10 years anyway supplied by russia...And they don't even mention the hostages in the deal...But Iran mentions that the only way we'll get them back is if we give back 20 of theirs and many other things lol...Sounds like terrible negotiating to me....But what do you expect? When Obama has talks with other presidents he always ends up looking like the fool....One of the conditions is that if Iran is attacked by Israel that the US has to defend Iran...Iran has publicly boasted about getting everything they want from the Iran deal and wanting death to Israel and America...These past 2 presidencies of Obama have been the worst two EVER....It's simple...Nobody cares about you guys being able to smoke weed or the radical feminist agenda you liberals love....It's time for more important stuff....This is why i vote republican and this is why i will vote for Trump...He is the only one running in either party that is not controlled by the lobbyists and federal reserve....Nobody wants a president owned by the 1%....i.e Hilary and Bernie and Jeb bush and Rubio
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My first reaction when seeing this was to laugh out loud. Then I decided to click the link and read the article or analysis to see whether it would change my mind. This is the sum total of the analysis from the link:
"The current POTUS still has time to rank higher (or lower) on this list. To date, he has issued 208 executive orders, well below average for U.S. presidents. However, he's had a serious impact overseas, with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."
I feel sorry for you Obamabots. :-\
Actually I really feel sorry for you Obama haters who have been destroyed by this president even though you and others wish for him to be viewed in a negative light......you and others try to pretend like you are being fair but you constantly twist logic and truth so as to make him look bad then when confronted with the documented and truthful reality, you curl up in the fetal position and cry about "Obamabots.... 8)
you and others have cried about him being an "emperor" due to issuing multiple exec orders.....so when I confront you with the reality that in fact his issuance of such orders ranks below average and other presidents have issued 600-1000 exec orders, instead of saying "my bad, I was wrong" you torture logic and bend over backwards to disallow the proof that's documented in front of your eyes...just like the Tea Party and Republican congress....... 8)
I've destroyed you left and right on this issue constantly.....but you'll just keep going on down the same path and losing what credibility you have left, which aint much...just like the Republican Party 8)
Also he has definitely had an impact on foreign affairs...he basically has ended two wars and kept us out of another in Iran
signed the first treaty with Iran, normalized relations with Cuba..all major major achievements....except to the hysterical haters like you
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Actually I really feel sorry for you Obama haters who have been destroyed by this president even though you and others wish for him to be viewed in a negative light......you and others try to pretend like you are being fair but you constantly twist logic and truth so as to make him look bad then when confronted with the documented and truthful reality, you curl up in the fetal position and cry about "Obamabots.... 8)
you and others have cried about him being an "emperor" due to issuing multiple exec orders.....so when I confront you with the reality that in fact his issuance of such orders ranks below average and other presidents have issued 600-1000 exec orders, instead of saying "my bad, I was wrong" you torture logic and bend over backwards to disallow the proof that's documented in front of your eyes...just like the Tea Party and Republican congress....... 8)
I've destroyed you left and right on this issue constantly.....but you'll just keep going on down the same path and losing what credibility you have left, which aint much...just like the Republican Party 8)
Also he has definitely had an impact on foreign affairs...he basically has ended two wars and kept us out of another in Iran
signed the first treaty with Iran, normalized relations with Cuba..all major major achievements....except to the hysterical haters like you
You are unquestionably a legend in your own mind.
The man is horrible and has the record to prove it, particularly in foreign affairs (see my comments above about Iraq). The next president will have a heck of a mess to clean up.
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Iran has 4 hostages... and they make a deal giving iran 150 billion dollars when they're gonna have nuclear weapons in under 10 years anyway supplied by russia...And they don't even mention the hostages in the deal...But Iran mentions that the only way we'll get them back is if we give back 20 of theirs and many other things lol...Sounds like terrible negotiating to me....But what do you expect? When Obama has talks with other presidents he always ends up looking like the fool....One of the conditions is that if Iran is attacked by Israel that the US has to defend Iran...Iran has publicly boasted about getting everything they want from the Iran deal and wanting death to Israel and America...These past 2 presidencies of Obama have been the worst two EVER....It's simple...Nobody cares about you guys being able to smoke weed or the radical feminist agenda you liberals love....It's time for more important stuff....This is why i vote republican and this is why i will vote for Trump...He is the only one running in either party that is not controlled by the lobbyists and federal reserve....Nobody wants a president owned by the 1%....i.e Hilary and Bernie and Jeb bush and Rubio
If you really followed politics you would find that when the Israelis do hostage exchanges, they often give back hundreds of hostages for two or three guys in return..this sort of thing is NORMAL...we are always at a disadvantage because we are civilized and care about human life whereas our adversaries don't.....Obama looks like a fool to you because you are biased and don't know what the hell you are talking about ....you choose to drink the Kool-Aid from the Republicans who have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the last seven years....PLEASE NAME AN ACCOMPLISHMENT......Amer ican presidents ALWAYS appear to look weak because THEY ARE REASONABLE and have to answer to congress and voters whereby other country's presidents often don't....as for nuclear weapons, they probably will have them in 10-15 years...but they would have had it within two years if not for the negotiations
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You are unquestionably a legend in your own mind.
The man is horrible and has the record to prove it, particularly in foreign affairs (see my comments above about Iraq). The next president will have a heck of a mess to clean up.
you are amazing......what happened in Iraq was the fault of the Iraqis who did not settle their political differences as they should have....Maliki (who was voted in by the Iraqis and approved by Bush), set this up by denying the Sunnis a say in government..and he klcked us out of the country to boot....Ray Ordierno, the general who was in charge there confirmed all of this when he retired three months ago.....I GUESS YOU KNOW MORE THAN HIM...
DESTROYED AGAIN>>>>>>>your arrogance is absolutely amazing..you are truly living in a reality of your own creation
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If you really followed politics you would find that when the Israelis do hostage exchanges, they often give back hundreds of hostages for two or three guys in return..this sort of thing is NORMAL...we are always at a disadvantage because we are civilized and care about human life whereas our adversaries don't.....Obama looks like a fool to you because you are biased and don't know what the hell you are talking about ....you choose to drink the Kool-Aid from the Republicans who have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the last seven years....PLEASE NAME AN ACCOMPLISHMENT......Amer ican presidents ALWAYS appear to look weak because THEY ARE REASONABLE and have to answer to congress and voters whereby other country's presidents often don't....as for nuclear weapons, they probably will have them in 10-15 years...but they would have had it within two years if not for the negotiations
We care about life?? lol??? Americans care about life??? Why don't you open up a history book from ANY COUNTRY other than the US...Even our buddies from across the pond?? It will tell you very differently...This recent drone strike has killed more innocent people than ANY school shooting in history...But what does liberal media decide to cover? We're the only country to ever use atomic bombs and MULTIPLE on the battlefield...Truman was a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT...You have been brainwashed...All innocent people we've killed...America has made it's fortune and we're able to enjoy the freedoms we do today because of the killings of INNOCENT PEOPLE...Don't you ever forget that...And don't you ever blame Republicans for not being politically correct and pointing that out....That is what makes us prosperous...All the terrorist organizations we've funded...To fight the soviet union...You remember that one right? That was in American history books at least. We don't want to get our hands dirty so we throw billions at monkeys who have killed for less to do the work for us...And then we pretend that we're civil and are pro-life??? Are you joking? Oh it doesn't matter to you...Because these are just foreigners right? If you don't care....Then why do you liberals love illegal immigrants so much? I love the justifications of "everyone was an immigrant at one point" well in that case, why even have a border, lol?? The whole liberal agenda is skewed and full of retarded followers...They want all the luxuries of being in peace and having what they want...But don't wanna follow through with what gets you there...They don't wanna give up any of their fortune for the betterment of the country...In fact they want more for doing even less...People like Obama have LEAD this ideal and now we're at a record high in self-entitled lazy people across this country....People like you are the problem
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you are amazing......what happened in Iraq was the fault of the Iraqis who did not settle their political differences as they should have....Maliki (who was voted in by the Iraqis and approved by Bush), set this up by denying the Sunnis a say in government..and he klcked us out of the country to boot....Ray Ordierno, the general who was in charge there confirmed all of this when he retired three months ago.....I GUESS YOU KNOW MORE THAN HIM...
DESTROYED AGAIN>>>>>>>your arrogance is absolutely amazing..you are truly living in a reality of your own creation
What happened in Iraq was Obama failed to negotiate a new SOFA, pulled all of our troops out, failed to ensure we could leave behind a stabilizing force as our military folks recommended and as we had done in Germany and South Korea, which then resulted in ISIS taking over large portions of the country. Failure.
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We care about life?? lol??? Americans care about life??? Why don't you open up a history book from ANY COUNTRY other than the US...Even our buddies from across the pond?? It will tell you very differently...This recent drone strike has killed more innocent people than ANY school shooting in history...But what does liberal media decide to cover? We're the only country to ever use atomic bombs and MULTIPLE on the battlefield...Truman was a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT...You have been brainwashed...All innocent people we've killed...America has made it's fortune and we're able to enjoy the freedoms we do today because of the killings of INNOCENT PEOPLE...Don't you ever forget that...And don't you ever blame Republicans for not being politically correct and pointing that out....That is what makes us prosperous...All the terrorist organizations we've funded...To fight the soviet union...You remember that one right? That was in American history books at least. We don't want to get our hands dirty so we throw billions at monkeys who have killed for less to do the work for us...And then we pretend that we're civil and are pro-life??? Are you joking? Oh it doesn't matter to you...Because these are just foreigners right? If you don't care....Then why do you liberals love illegal immigrants so much? I love the justifications of "everyone was an immigrant at one point" well in that case, why even have a border, lol?? The whole liberal agenda is skewed and full of retarded followers...They want all the luxuries of being in peace and having what they want...But don't wanna follow through with what gets you there...They don't wanna give up any of their fortune for the betterment of the country...In fact they want more for doing even less...People like Obama have LEAD this ideal and now we're at a record high in self-entitled lazy people across this country....People like you are the problem
WOW..you always give me nice material to destroy you with....History has basically acknowledged that had America not dropped the bomb on Japan, that the battle for Japan's mainland would have been bloody with us losing an additional million men......that being the case Truman SAVED millions of lives by dropping the bomb...the Japanese were NEVER going to give up unless met with an overwhelming force....
Obama has destroyed and killed hundreds of terrorists including their leaders with drones....I'm definitely NOT going to apologize for that...it proves to terrorist leaders that they are not safe no matter where they are...people get killed in wars....when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan we killed Zarkawi's wife and two daughters....they didn't care when they killed our sons and daughters on 9/11...
I do agree with you about laziness in our nation...that people are dependent on government and collecting checks to stay home.....however that's been going on since the 60's...how is that Obama's fault??????????????????..also the government gives money to the rich all the time in the form of tax breaks and subsidies....funny you're not concerned with that
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WOW..you always give me nice material to destroy you with....History has basically acknowledged that had America not dropped the bomb on Japan, that the battle for Japan's mainland would have been bloody with us losing an additional million men......that being the case Truman SAVED millions of lives by dropping the bomb...the Japanese were NEVER going to give up unless met with an overwhelming force....
Obama has destroyed and killed hundreds of terrorists including their leaders with drones....I'm definitely NOT going to apologize for that...it proves to terrorist leaders that they are not safe no matter where they are...people get killed in wars....when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan we killed Zarkawi's wife and two daughters....they didn't care when they killed our sons and daughters on 9/11...
I do agree with you about laziness in our nation...that people are dependent on government and collecting checks to stay home.....however that's been going on since the 60's...how is that Obama's fault??????????????????..also the government gives money to the rich all the time in the form of tax breaks and subsidies....funny you're not concerned with that
You didn't destroy me at all because i agree with you on that first part. Those are my views too. It was justifiable in a sense, but many innocent died when it happened and there is no hiding that. Many more would have died on both sides...But the demographic is what i talk about...Soldiers would have died...The innocents lives were sacrificed for the further prosperity of both countries as a whole, no? That's what it looks like when you put it in perspective....
I'm not concerned with the tax breaks?? Why do you think i support Trump, lol? He totally hates that the rich are not paying much but getting paid in lump some....He is including himself in this and will further help help circulate the money through the country by his tax policy propositions (his description of it is almost 60 minutes long, VERY SPECIFIC) that is what he excels at...Oppose to someone like Bernie Sanders who will just print money and devalue the US dollar....Trump will actually circulate the money that already exists throughout the public because he's an economic genius..This is what he does...Turned 200 million into 10+ billion....Bernie will devalue the economic potential of college students earning for short term loan reliefs....This is not good....Peoples earning potential is much higher right now....By making the colleges free you're essentially making it so your long-term earning potential after you get that job is much lower..But the short term is higher...Which is not good....The reason it doesn't look like that right now and it looks all messed up is not because people aren't making enough money...THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THEIR OWN MONEY...They're never taught in school...Devaluing US dollar is not the answer....Trump will circulate the money so that the wealth gap isn't as much...So that the middle class can AFFORD college all while there isn't another cent printed more than normal...Which means oil trade will continue being in the US dollar as well and we will be more stable than ever which sets up the debt ceiling to be smaller and smaller....Bernies proposed tax plan is 20 TRILLION dollars....I don't know how anyone could even vote for that communist...He's the opposite of what the American dream is....Truth be told he would probably die or get dementia (which is already setting in) before he even finished his first term
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What happened in Iraq was Obama failed to negotiate a new SOFA, pulled all of our troops out, failed to ensure we could leave behind a stabilizing force as our military folks recommended and as we had done in Germany and South Korea, which then resulted in ISIS taking over large portions of the country. Failure.
GENERAL ORDIERNO SAID THAT THE PULLOUT THING WAS ALREADY NEGOTIATED BY BUSH, AND SAID IT WAS OBAMA'S FAULT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ....I think I believe him more than I believe you.....The Iraqis wouldn't budge when we told them that we needed to stay.......OBAMA HONORED THE AGREEMENT AND LEFT.....if we had stayed, our troops would have been subject to summary prosecution and could have been jailed and executed for any perceived "war crime"....and you KNOW this...you're arguing because you've got absolutely nothing left and you figure I'll quit...but I won't..you are telling a bold faced lie and again you are losing so much credibility in this thread its amazing
Also you constantly bring up south Korea and Germany but we were basically running those countries....Japan as well..Japan and Germany were totally broken as countries....and we were occupying them with hundreds of thousands of troops and were able to shape those countries in our image......there was no appetite for occupying Iraq because the Arab world would have viewed us as infidels and they didnt want us there
if you said we shouldn't have trusted Maliki I would agree with that.....but that's not Obama's problem
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GENERAL ORDIERNO SAID THAT THE PULLOUT THING WAS ALREADY NEGOTIATED BY BUSH, AND SAID IT WAS OBAMA'S FAULT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ....I think I believe him more than I believe you.....The Iraqis wouldn't budge when we told them that we needed to stay.......OBAMA HONORED THE AGREEMENT AND LEFT.....if we had stayed, our troops would have been subject to summary prosecution and could have been jailed and executed for any perceived "war crime"....and you KNOW this...you're arguing because you've got absolutely nothing left and you figure I'll quit...but I won't..you are telling a bold faced lie and again you are losing so much credibility in this thread its amazing
Also you constantly bring up south Korea and Germany but we were basically running those countries....Japan as well..Japan and Germany were totally broken as countries....and we were occupying them with hundreds of thousands of troops and were able to shape those countries in our image......there was no appetite for occupying Iraq because the Arab world would have viewed us as infidels and they didnt want us there
if you said we shouldn't have trusted Maliki I would agree with that.....but that's not Obama's problem
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Wrong. Obama was supposed to negotiate a new SOFA. He didn't want too, because he wanted to keep his campaign promise of ending the war in Iraq. He sent Biden to negotiate, which ended in failure. He then claimed credit for ending the war in Iraq. When it blew up in his face and was questioned, he claimed he didn't have a choice. Incredibly dishonest man. If he left behind a stabilizing force like the military (and common sense) recommended, ISIS would not be in control of large portions of Iraq today. One of the president's many foreign policy failures.
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You didn't destroy me at all because i agree with you on that first part. Those are my views too. It was justifiable in a sense, but many innocent died when it happened and there is no hiding that. Many more would have died on both sides...But the demographic is what i talk about...Soldiers would have died...The innocents lives were sacrificed for the further prosperity of both countries as a whole, no? That's what it looks like when you put it in perspective....
I'm not concerned with the tax breaks?? Why do you think i support Trump, lol? He totally hates that the rich are not paying much but getting paid in lump some....He is including himself in this and will further help help circulate the money through the country by his tax policy propositions (his description of it is almost 60 minutes long, VERY SPECIFIC) that is what he excels at...Oppose to someone like Bernie Sanders who will just print money and devalue the US dollar....Trump will actually circulate the money that already exists throughout the public because he's an economic genius..This is what he does...Turned 200 million into 10+ billion....Bernie will devalue the economic potential of college students earning for short term loan reliefs....This is not good....Peoples earning potential is much higher right now....By making the colleges free you're essentially making it so your long-term earning potential after you get that job is much lower..But the short term is higher...Which is not good....The reason it doesn't look like that right now and it looks all messed up is not because people aren't making enough money...THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THEIR OWN MONEY...They're never taught in school...Devaluing US dollar is not the answer....Trump will circulate the money so that the wealth gap isn't as much...So that the middle class can AFFORD college all while there isn't another cent printed more than normal...Which means oil trade will continue being in the US dollar as well and we will be more stable than ever which sets up the debt ceiling to be smaller and smaller....Bernies proposed tax plan is 20 TRILLION dollars....I don't know how anyone could even vote for that communist...He's the opposite of what the American dream is....Truth be told he would probably die or get dementia (which is already setting in) before he even finished his first term
;D ;D
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Wrong. Obama was supposed to negotiate a new SOFA. He didn't want too, because he wanted to keep his campaign promise of ending the war in Iraq. He sent Biden to negotiate, which ended in failure. He then claimed credit for ending the war in Iraq. When it blew up in his face and was questioned, he claimed he didn't have a choice. Incredibly dishonest man. If he left behind a stabilizing force like the military (and common sense) recommended, ISIS would not be in control of large portions of Iraq today. One of the president's many foreign policy failures.
The SOFA was already negotiated by Bush......and again who is to be believed???????...ORDIERNO...war hero and commander of Iraqi forces ........................ .......OR............... ...Dos Equis ....getbig poster
I rest my case
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The SOFA was already negotiated by Bush......and again who is to be believed???????...ORDIERNO...war hero and commander of Iraqi forces ........................ .......OR............... ...Dos Equis ....getbig poster
I rest my case
Your case is full of holes.
Did you watch the clip?
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Your case is full of holes.
Did you watch the clip?
I did....and he did.....end of story...and its not mY story...ITS THE TRUTH ACCORDING TO ODIERNO....its his story...so you are telling us here that you HAVE MORE CREDIBILITY THAN GEN, ORDIERNO....??????
you're really demented now
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I did....and he did.....end of story...and its not mY story...ITS THE TRUTH ACCORDING TO ODIERNO....its his story...so you are telling us here that you HAVE MORE CREDIBILITY THAN GEN, ORDIERNO....??????
you're really demented now
Are you that much of a true believer that you didn't see how incredibly dishonest he was? He was bragging about ending the war in Iraq, then when it fell apart, claimed the war ended because he didn't have a choice. I guess I don't really expect you to see it for what it is, because Obamabots don't really care about the facts, but it is plain as day.
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Are you that much of a true believer that you didn't see how incredibly dishonest he was? He was bragging about ending the war in Iraq, then when it fell apart, claimed the war ended because he didn't have a choice. I guess I don't really expect you to see it for what it is, because Obamabots don't really care about the facts, but it is plain as day.
wow..now you're reaching...which proves you've completely run out of steam....now you're claiming that an honorable man, war hero, commander of U.S. forces is a liar.......WOW
is that what you are NOW claiming after I totally destroyed your arguments??????????
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wow..now you're reaching...which proves you've completely run out of steam....now you're claiming that an honorable man, war hero, commander of U.S. forces is a liar.......WOW
is that what you are NOW claiming after I totally destroyed your arguments??????????
I know you have a lot invested in the Messiah, like most of his true believers, but you cannot change the facts. You cannot change history. Both disagree with you.
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This thread is GOLD JERRY GOLD!!!!!
Holyshit you lefties are deluded idiots. The world is on fire because of Obama...directly because of Obama, not despite of him, not because of Bush...because of Ol Barry. We have beaten this horse to death...you people can't win with facts. Its comedy gold....
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I know you have a lot invested in the Messiah, like most of his true believers, but you cannot change the facts. You cannot change history. Both disagree with you.
uh huh.,,....just because you say so???.......all of your blustering and posturing isn't going to get you over this time.....you're dead wrong and you know it...move on...you've lost all credibility and now I've reduced you to making up your own facts now.....I expect stuff like that from Soul Crusher who I drove off the board many months ago....but now you've officially stepped into his category
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This thread is GOLD JERRY GOLD!!!!!
Holyshit you lefties are deluded idiots. The world is on fire because of Obama...directly because of Obama, not despite of him, not because of Bush...because of Ol Barry. We have beaten this horse to death...you people can't win with facts. Its comedy gold....
Yep.
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This thread is GOLD JERRY GOLD!!!!!
Holyshit you lefties are deluded idiots. The world is on fire because of Obama...directly because of Obama, not despite of him, not because of Bush...because of Ol Barry. We have beaten this horse to death...you people can't win with facts. Its comedy gold....
Agreed...we're laughing at you and the Republicans daily
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uh huh.,,....just because you say so???.......all of your blustering and posturing isn't going to get you over this time.....you're dead wrong and you know it...move on...you've lost all credibility and now I've reduced you to making up your own facts now.....I expect stuff like that from Soul Crusher who I drove off the board many months ago....but now you've officially stepped into his category
I made up that clip of Obama?
You drove Soul Crusher off the board? Oh good grief. lol You sound like a friggin screwball. lol . . . .
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I made up that clip of Obama?
You drove Soul Crusher off the board? Oh good grief. lol You sound like a friggin screwball. lol . . . .
lmao this was just worded very funny hahahah
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I made up that clip of Obama?
You drove Soul Crusher off the board? Oh good grief. lol You sound like a friggin screwball. lol . . . .
you used to be a respected poster...what happened to you???I guess Obama drove you nuts like he did the rest of the Tea Party
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you used to be a respected poster...what happened to you???I guess Obama drove you nuts like he did the rest of the Tea Party
You were never a respected poster, so it really isn't your job to judge the quality of others posting history. Yet another thread where you whine about racism....I'm shocked. Where were you to assess racism when Obama attended Jeremiah wright's racist anti-American church; or when he quickly gets involved with every black criminal being killed/arrested without knowing the facts. But then again that is your thing, you cry about racism without proof, all the while you have a hatred and resentment for whitey. People like you will never accomplish anything because you always make excuses as to why you are an incompetent piece of shit.
In the future, can you just start a recurring "andreisdaman racism accusation" thread. It's the common theme in your postings anyhow
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While I'm at it, what is your opinion of Obama associating himself with a well known racist/race baiter, al sharpton. Afterall, if we are going to complain about racism, I think it would only be fair to request that the person you are claiming to be the victim should have clean hands on the issue of racism himself.
And if you can't admit to sharpton being a racist, or if you deny obama' association with him, you are just dishonest. Any rational person, be it black, white, etc should question the professionalism of that relationship.
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While I'm at it, what is your opinion of Obama associating himself with a well known racist/race baiter, al sharpton. Afterall, if we are going to complain about racism, I think it would only be fair to request that the person you are claiming to be the victim should have clean hands on the issue of racism himself.
And if you can't admit to sharpton being a racist, or if you deny obama' association with him, you are just dishonest. Any rational person, be it black, white, etc should question the professionalism of that relationship.
Don't forget that a NYC businessman who was white was jailed for owing less than half of the taxes that Sharpton does....While Al can walk in and out of the whitehouse with no problems and be alongside the mayor of Baltimore....Pathetic
The liberals have made it so the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting black people because they're afraid that the uneducated masses are going to wreak havoc on the towns if they imprison them...Funny thing is these people know nothing about the cases nor follow them even though they're publicly televised...
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Let me be clear, I have a disdain for any form of racism, and if these guys actually had proof of Republicans opposing Obama as a result of race, I would be all for exposing everyone involved. The reality is they don't have any real proof, just baseless accusations. It has always been the nature of political parties to oppose the other party, regardless of the issue. Yet, andre here automatically chalks it up to racism because he has likely been doing that his entire life with his own shortcomings.
In contrast, Obama continues to find himself involved with toxic racially motivated people, yet andre is quiet.
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Don't forget that a NYC businessman who was white was jailed for owing less than half of the taxes that Sharpton does....While Al can walk in and out of the whitehouse with no problems and be alongside the mayor of Baltimore....Pathetic
The liberals have made it so the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting black people because they're afraid that the uneducated masses are going to wreak havoc on the towns if they imprison them...Funny thing is these people know nothing about the cases nor follow them even though they're publicly televised...
Yep no black people is imprisoned in the US. Good point.
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Yep no black people is imprisoned in the US. Good point.
Nice way to try and manipulate what he said. If you think fear hasn't affected law enforcement's handling of black rioters in Ferguson, Baltimore and other recent areas, you are in pure denial. All of that was allowed to happen as a result of liberal pressure and fear of being labeled racist
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Yep no black people is imprisoned in the US. Good point.
wanna know why they're imprisoned? Because they commit many crimes. I'm not racist either it's just a statistical overwhelming fact. I know you liberals will blame the court system and the police but NOTHING can justify those overwhelming statistics. Also, there would be MANY MORE and BIG NAMES if the judicial system wasn't affected by the radical public. There are many personalities that get let off Scott free because of their power in the black community and their following. People say they're sick of the constant arrests...we can't say we are sick of them constantly breaking the law? Since when is arresting people for constant crime a boring burden to society all of a sudden? They justify committing 50% of the homicides in the country and only taking up about 10% of the population by saying it's the polices fault that they're stereotyped? please....a girl kills herself in jail after an arrest for a minor offense and then the cop is called a murderer by millions because she is emotionally unstable and a coward?? He gets so depressed he quits his job he has a family and nobody cares? Your life and following is backwards
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You were never a respected poster, so it really isn't your job to judge the quality of others posting history. Yet another thread where you whine about racism....I'm shocked. Where were you to assess racism when Obama attended Jeremiah wright's racist anti-American church; or when he quickly gets involved with every black criminal being killed/arrested without knowing the facts. But then again that is your thing, you cry about racism without proof, all the while you have a hatred and resentment for whitey. People like you will never accomplish anything because you always make excuses as to why you are an incompetent piece of shit.
In the future, can you just start a recurring "andreisdaman racism accusation" thread. It's the common theme in your postings anyhow
OH WOW...thank you SO much Mr. 53 posts.....
You need to stay out of other people's feuds if you don't understand the history and don't know what you're talking about....I've been here ten years...you just got here an hour ago.....and if you are so blindfolded that you can't see that oftentimes Obama's treatment is tied to his race then you should stop posting here and stay in the explicit sex thread where you can be with like-minded people and mastubate all day
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While I'm at it, what is your opinion of Obama associating himself with a well known racist/race baiter, al sharpton. Afterall, if we are going to complain about racism, I think it would only be fair to request that the person you are claiming to be the victim should have clean hands on the issue of racism himself.
And if you can't admit to sharpton being a racist, or if you deny obama' association with him, you are just dishonest. Any rational person, be it black, white, etc should question the professionalism of that relationship.
I'm not a Sharpton fan but to just paint him as a "racist" is mising the point....I've followed Sharpton for a long time since he has a big history here in NY and he is a rabblerouser, not a racist.....when people are assaulted or murdered by police they need someone who has a media following to get their point out to the media...Sharpton fulfills that role...BUT.....people call him and ask him to to do that....and he charges a fee for that.....I DON'T LIKE SHARPTON BUT HE DOES FIGHT FOR THE LITTLE GUY (WHILE ENRICHING HIMSLEF)...as for Obama's association with him, there is no big time association as you are trying to imply, but thats politics......its the same whereby Republicans have associations with racist organizations like the "(white) Citizen's Councils all across the south
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Don't forget that a NYC businessman who was white was jailed for owing less than half of the taxes that Sharpton does....While Al can walk in and out of the whitehouse with no problems and be alongside the mayor of Baltimore....Pathetic
The liberals have made it so the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting black people because they're afraid that the uneducated masses are going to wreak havoc on the towns if they imprison them...Funny thing is these people know nothing about the cases nor follow them even though they're publicly televised...
you're really going overboard...I see no such "fear" as you put it by the judicial system seeing that blacks all over the US are being sent to long prison terms on a daily basis...that "fear" in in your own mind...what this has to do with Obama destroying Republicans is beyond me
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Nice way to try and manipulate what he said. If you think fear hasn't affected law enforcement's handling of black rioters in Ferguson, Baltimore and other recent areas, you are in pure denial. All of that was allowed to happen as a result of liberal pressure and fear of being labeled racist
you're amazing.....riots are seldom reacted to with commensurate force....look at all the riots by white people when pro sports and college teams win ..especialy hockey teams...they loot, set fires, turn over cars, smash things..etc....does the law comedown harshly on them???????....NO...this is normal police procedure not to be tough on rioters....
everything in your mind is a liberal plot......get help dude
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Let me be clear, I have a disdain for any form of racism, and if these guys actually had proof of Republicans opposing Obama as a result of race, I would be all for exposing everyone involved. The reality is they don't have any real proof, just baseless accusations. It has always been the nature of political parties to oppose the other party, regardless of the issue. Yet, andre here automatically chalks it up to racism because he has likely been doing that his entire life with his own shortcomings.
In contrast, Obama continues to find himself involved with toxic racially motivated people, yet andre is quiet.
All I did was point out certain things and put them in context......you act as if racism is something that can constyantly be proved.....it can't....no one is going to be so impolite as to say it out loud....also racism can be perpetrated by persons who are unaware they are treating someione unfairly due to race...if you aren't conscious of it how can you know thats why you're behaving that way?
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wanna know why they're imprisoned? Because they commit many crimes. I'm not racist either it's just a statistical overwhelming fact. I know you liberals will blame the court system and the police but NOTHING can justify those overwhelming statistics. Also, there would be MANY MORE and BIG NAMES if the judicial system wasn't affected by the radical public. There are many personalities that get let off Scott free because of their power in the black community and their following. People say they're sick of the constant arrests...we can't say we are sick of them constantly breaking the law? Since when is arresting people for constant crime a boring burden to society all of a sudden? They justify committing 50% of the homicides in the country and only taking up about 10% of the population by saying it's the polices fault that they're stereotyped? please....a girl kills herself in jail after an arrest for a minor offense and then the cop is called a murderer by millions because she is emotionally unstable and a coward?? He gets so depressed he quits his job he has a family and nobody cares? Your life and following is backwards
This is really amazing...you are ACTUALLY talking about people getting off scott free due to their color and power in their community.......I guess you aren't referring to whites who NEVER do this ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
and you talk about cops being called murderers???...how many black and white guys have been set free due to being framed by police and prosecutors when it showed that their DNA did not match some crime commited 20-25 years ago??????????
There are more innocent people in jail for murder than all the cops being called a murderer in the history of the world
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I don't think I will stay outta this thread if I feel the need to comment. You may not know how this works, but it's a public forum which means you open yourself up for rebuttle. I live in the south where racism is still alive and thumping against blacks, so I don't have a problem identifying it. What I do find farfetched is that you think a group of politicians is directly opposing all of his policies as a result of his color. But people like you are gullible and look for excuses, which is why hillary is already playing the sexist card. Do I think that Congress is free of racist, absolutely not; nor do I think major decisions are made on the sole decision of race.
Secondly, you always seem to have a fascination with my post count. At least you aren't calling me a gimmick anymore, which I suppose is an upgrade in your book. In the end, my post count doesn't discount the subject matter of my post.
And sorry, sharpton is a racist. Blacks always have a problem calling their own kind a racist. Any afilliation Obama has with sharpton is too much of an one. When I see a rebel flag on the back of a redneck truck, I don't think the guy cares about his culture and history, I think he is a racist. There again, I'm an honest person without skewed perception and a victim mentality. You clearly are the opposite
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You were never a respected poster, so it really isn't your job to judge the quality of others posting history. Yet another thread where you whine about racism....I'm shocked. Where were you to assess racism when Obama attended Jeremiah wright's racist anti-American church; or when he quickly gets involved with every black criminal being killed/arrested without knowing the facts. But then again that is your thing, you cry about racism without proof, all the while you have a hatred and resentment for whitey. People like you will never accomplish anything because you always make excuses as to why you are an incompetent piece of shit.
In the future, can you just start a recurring "andreisdaman racism accusation" thread. It's the common theme in your postings anyhow
This is true. He constantly plays the race card. It's a copout. A way to avoid addressing the real issues, including the colossal failure of our president.
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The SOFA was already negotiated by Bush......and again who is to be believed???????...ORDIERNO...war hero and commander of Iraqi forces ........................ .......OR............... ...Dos Equis ....getbig poster
I rest my case
We're back to this...really....??? No dumbass he could do whatever he wanted but refused to go along with the troop numbers palatable to the Irai government, so we had to pull out.
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Nice way to try and manipulate what he said. If you think fear hasn't affected law enforcement's handling of black rioters in Ferguson, Baltimore and other recent areas, you are in pure denial. All of that was allowed to happen as a result of liberal pressure and fear of being labeled racist
Where do you see the manipulation?
He said: The liberals have made it so the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting black people
Black people is overrepresented in the jail system, so i highly doubt the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting them.
If i believe fear has affected the law enforcements handling of the situation? Probably.
But fear was also what started this whole mess, when police shoot an unarmed man because they feared for their safety.
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wanna know why they're imprisoned? Because they commit many crimes. I'm not racist either it's just a statistical overwhelming fact. I know you liberals will blame the court system and the police but NOTHING can justify those overwhelming statistics. Also, there would be MANY MORE and BIG NAMES if the judicial system wasn't affected by the radical public. There are many personalities that get let off Scott free because of their power in the black community and their following. People say they're sick of the constant arrests...we can't say we are sick of them constantly breaking the law? Since when is arresting people for constant crime a boring burden to society all of a sudden? They justify committing 50% of the homicides in the country and only taking up about 10% of the population by saying it's the polices fault that they're stereotyped? please....a girl kills herself in jail after an arrest for a minor offense and then the cop is called a murderer by millions because she is emotionally unstable and a coward?? He gets so depressed he quits his job he has a family and nobody cares? Your life and following is backwards
Of course its because they commit crimes nobody said otherwise.
But the fact that so many is inprisoned tells you that the juicidal system in not afraid to prosecute them. You need to read the post i responded to as well to get the full Picture.
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Where do you see the manipulation?
He said: The liberals have made it so the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting black people
Black people is overrepresented in the jail system, so i highly doubt the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting them.
If i believe fear has affected the law enforcements handling of the situation? Probably.
But fear was also what started this whole mess, when police shoot an unarmed man because they feared for their safety.
What do you mean by stating they are over represented? Are they randomly throwing innocent blacks in jail all while allowing all the criminal white element to run free. I would say they are represented as a direct comparison of crimes committed. It may not fit your liberal perception of the world that they make up such a small percentage of this country yet committed such a majority of the crime, but that is why the numbers are what they are.
Do I believe that lack of income and inability to afford decent legal representation contributes to some blacks receiving harsher senteces, as well as their overall economic situation? Yep, absolutely.
As it stands now, the climate against police intervention against blacks is changing. In spite of what the media and people like you portray, studies suggest police are more reluctant to shoot blacks versus white as a result of being perceived a racist. They literally hesitate to shoot in those cases.
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This is true. He constantly plays the race card. It's a copout. A way to avoid addressing the real issues, including the colossal failure of our president.
come on Dos...I've destroyed you already...you're still here?????..I thought you'd be hiding under your bed by now ;)
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I don't think I will stay outta this thread if I feel the need to comment. You may not know how this works, but it's a public forum which means you open yourself up for rebuttle. I live in the south where racism is still alive and thumping against blacks, so I don't have a problem identifying it. What I do find farfetched is that you think a group of politicians is directly opposing all of his policies as a result of his color. But people like you are gullible and look for excuses, which is why hillary is already playing the sexist card. Do I think that Congress is free of racist, absolutely not; nor do I think major decisions are made on the sole decision of race.
Secondly, you always seem to have a fascination with my post count. At least you aren't calling me a gimmick anymore, which I suppose is an upgrade in your book. In the end, my post count doesn't discount the subject matter of my post.
And sorry, sharpton is a racist. Blacks always have a problem calling their own kind a racist. Any afilliation Obama has with sharpton is too much of an one. When I see a rebel flag on the back of a redneck truck, I don't think the guy cares about his culture and history, I think he is a racist. There again, I'm an honest person without skewed perception and a victim mentality. You clearly are the opposite
I never said that all Republican opposition is due to Obama's race...are you willing to admit that at least some of it is?..thats my point
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Where do you see the manipulation?
He said: The liberals have made it so the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting black people
Black people is overrepresented in the jail system, so i highly doubt the judicial system is afraid of prosecuting them.
If i believe fear has affected the law enforcements handling of the situation? Probably.
But fear was also what started this whole mess, when police shoot an unarmed man because they feared for their safety.
Agreed.... 8)
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What do you mean by stating they are over represented? Are they randomly throwing innocent blacks in jail all while allowing all the criminal white element to run free. I would say they are represented as a direct comparison of crimes committed. It may not fit your liberal perception of the world that they make up such a small percentage of this country yet committed such a majority of the crime, but that is why the numbers are what they are.
Do I believe that lack of income and inability to afford decent legal representation contributes to some blacks receiving harsher senteces, as well as their overall economic situation? Yep, absolutely.
As it stands now, the climate against police intervention against blacks is changing. In spite of what the media and people like you portray, studies suggest police are more reluctant to shoot blacks versus white as a result of being perceived a racist. They literally hesitate to shoot in those cases.
Highly doubt this
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What do you mean by stating they are over represented? Are they randomly throwing innocent blacks in jail all while allowing all the criminal white element to run free. I would say they are represented as a direct comparison of crimes committed. It may not fit your liberal perception of the world that they make up such a small percentage of this country yet committed such a majority of the crime, but that is why the numbers are what they are.
Do I believe that lack of income and inability to afford decent legal representation contributes to some blacks receiving harsher senteces, as well as their overall economic situation? Yep, absolutely.
As it stands now, the climate against police intervention against blacks is changing. In spite of what the media and people like you portray, studies suggest police are more reluctant to shoot blacks versus white as a result of being perceived a racist. They literally hesitate to shoot in those cases.
Are you using one statement to create this hypothesis?
I have heard of this once and only once.
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I never said that all Republican opposition is due to Obama's race...are you willing to admit that at least some of it is?..thats my point
I think plenty of old white politicians are racist and probably oppose Obama just as tiger Woods was opposed by old regimes at the golf course. Unfortunately, ignorant people don't like change nor do they like to relinquish their power. That being said, while I question the decision making of almost all politicians, I don't think any major decision of opposition is made as an entirety as a result of his race.
It's really simple for me. Republicans act like jackasses to democrats and Democrats act like jackasses to republicans. There happens to be a sensitivity to every criticism Obama takes because he is black and he will quickly play that card
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Are you using one statement to create this hypothesis?
I have heard of this once and only once.
If you can't see police reluctant to respond in riot situations and you don't see the plausibility in police being reluctant to shoot blacks as a result of the scrutiny they will undergo, you are in pure denial as well
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What do you mean by stating they are over represented? Are they randomly throwing innocent blacks in jail all while allowing all the criminal white element to run free. I would say they are represented as a direct comparison of crimes committed. It may not fit your liberal perception of the world that they make up such a small percentage of this country yet committed such a majority of the crime, but that is why the numbers are what they are.
Do I believe that lack of income and inability to afford decent legal representation contributes to some blacks receiving harsher senteces, as well as their overall economic situation? Yep, absolutely.
As it stands now, the climate against police intervention against blacks is changing. In spite of what the media and people like you portray, studies suggest police are more reluctant to shoot blacks versus white as a result of being perceived a racist. They literally hesitate to shoot in those cases.
Then we are basically saying the same thing.......racism = less opportunity = jail.........simple equation
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I think plenty of old white politicians are racist and probably oppose Obama just as tiger Woods was opposed by old regimes at the golf course. Unfortunately, ignorant people don't like change nor do they like to relinquish their power. That being said, while I question the decision making of almost all politicians, I don't think any major decision of opposition is made as an entirety as a result of his race.
It's really simple for me. Republicans act like jackasses to democrats and Democrats act like jackasses to republicans. There happens to be a sensitivity to every criticism Obama takes because he is black and he will quickly play that card
you are making the point I have been making but you just choose not to side with me....even you said above that you don't think the opposition has to do with race in its entirety......so by saying this, you are saying that what I said...that race DOES play a role somewhat but not in its entirety....
SAME THING
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If you can't see police reluctant to respond in riot situations and you don't see the plausibility in police being reluctant to shoot blacks as a result of the scrutiny they will undergo, you are in pure denial as well
Police shouldn't want to just shoot people. That's the exact opposite of what they should want to do.
Again, are you using the one article that was posted recently about a police officer being reluctant to shoot black people as the entirety of your argument?
I'm not sure what planet you live on, but if you think a police officer doesn't feel that his life is more important than any citizens, then your thinking is off. Using one instance to prove your point doesn't prove your point.
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Then we are basically saying the same thing.......racism = less opportunity = jail.........simple equation
Unfair circumstances or lack of opportunity are not a linear relationship to racism. Sorry, less oppurtunity does not equal racism. Racism is a deliberate act.
Just because I make more money than plenty of blacks doesn't mean I have any I'll will or disdain for them.
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What do you mean by stating they are over represented? Are they randomly throwing innocent blacks in jail all while allowing all the criminal white element to run free. I would say they are represented as a direct comparison of crimes committed. It may not fit your liberal perception of the world that they make up such a small percentage of this country yet committed such a majority of the crime, but that is why the numbers are what they are.
Do I believe that lack of income and inability to afford decent legal representation contributes to some blacks receiving harsher senteces, as well as their overall economic situation? Yep, absolutely.
As it stands now, the climate against police intervention against blacks is changing. In spite of what the media and people like you portray, studies suggest police are more reluctant to shoot blacks versus white as a result of being perceived a racist. They literally hesitate to shoot in those cases.
Actually.......YES....if you look at the United States as a whole, Blacks are arrested far more often for minor infractions that whites don't get arrested for....things like trespassing, traffic summonses, disorderly conduct, etc...statistics show this......
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Police shouldn't want to just shoot people. That's the exact opposite of what they should want to do.
Again, are you using the one article that was posted recently about a police officer being reluctant to shoot black people as the entirety of your argument?
I'm not sure what planet you live on, but if you think a police officer doesn't feel that his life is more important than any citizens, then your thinking is off. Using one instance to prove your point doesn't prove your point.
It's a study. It's not 1 incident. And why don't you practice what you preach. The police officers you see in the news are in the small minority of officers involved in questionable incidents. Don't assume the police force as a whole to be represented by what you watch on worldstarhiphop.
You seek to be a bit anti- police. Maybe I'm suggesting that prematurely
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Unfair circumstances or lack of opportunity are not a linear relationship to racism. Sorry, less oppurtunity does not equal racism. Racism is a deliberate act.
Just because I make more money than plenty of blacks doesn't mean I have any I'll will or disdain for them.
That's not exactly true... institutional racism does exist.
Unfair housing practices historically among other things.
There's a lot more you should research if you believe this to be true.
That's not to say that the black community doesn't have their own issues, they certainly do. They need to work harder in taking care of their families... less babies mommas and what not. More building up the community and not tearing it down.
Racism and problems in the black community are not exclusive. There is more than one issue.
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Unfair circumstances or lack of opportunity are not a linear relationship to racism. Sorry, less oppurtunity does not equal racism. Racism is a deliberate act.
Just because I make more money than plenty of blacks doesn't mean I have any I'll will or disdain for them.
it doesn't mean you discriminate against blacks but you have benefitted from the discrimination of your ancestors......and yes denying opportunity to others based on race as the Jim Crow laws did in the U.S. is RACISM.....the impact of that does not just go away ....it lingers for generations
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It's a study. It's not 1 incident. And why don't you practice what you preach. The police officers you see in the news are in the small minority of officers involved in questionable incidents. Don't assume the police force as a whole to be represented by what you watch on worldstarhiphop.
You seek to be a bit anti- police. Maybe I'm suggesting that prematurely
no one is anti-police....and actually the amount of police officers who are pointed out for questionable behavior is quite small....which destoys your argument that they are picked on.....the absolute vast majority of police shootings against blacks are not even questioned by the black community...blacks know when shootings are justified and respond accordingly...they don't protest ALL police shootings of blacks....they know some deserve to be shot
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That's not exactly true... institutional racism does exist.
Unfair housing practices historically among other things.
There's a lot more you should research if you believe this to be true.
That's not to say that the black community doesn't have their own issues, they certainly do. They need to work harder in taking care of their families... less babies mommas and what not. More building up the community and not tearing it down.
Racism and problems in the black community are not exclusive. There is more than one issue.
All good points and true
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it doesn't mean you discriminate against blacks but you have benefitted from the discrimination of your ancestors......and yes denying opportunity to others based on race as the Jim Crow laws did in the U.S. is RACISM.....the impact of that does not just go away ....it lingers for generations
Lack of opportunity and denial of oppurtunity aren't the same thing. A single mother with 5 kids to 5 different dads, living I section 8 housing isn't being denied oppurtunity. She lacks oppurtunity as a result of her poor decision making and a culture that doesn't value education
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It's a study. It's not 1 incident. And why don't you practice what you preach. The police officers you see in the news are in the small minority of officers involved in questionable incidents. Don't assume the police force as a whole to be represented by what you watch on worldstarhiphop.
You seek to be a bit anti- police. Maybe I'm suggesting that prematurely
I'm quite in the middle actually. I have many police friends, and I know them personally, so I know where they are coming from as individuals.
I don't buy into the "All police this, or all police that."
What I will say, and this is just me... I know that there is a thin blue line and police back each other about 85-90% even if their co-worker on the force is in the wrong about a given thing.
While I'm using my experience both as a police officer and my friends and former co-workers as an example, it does not negate what I have seen with my own two eyes.
Certainly not all police are bad, but they are a brotherhood and they do have each others backs... Just like you would have your friends back even if they are in the wrong. You convince yourself that your friend is your friend and that they are good people.
We all do this... The problem is that if I do that for my friends, typically it doesn't take away someone else liberties or lives in the process.
That's all.
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I never said that all Republican opposition is due to Obama's race...are you willing to admit that at least some of it is?..thats my point
I'd say it's almost as high as a number of people who didn't follow any of the presidential debates or the presidential run...but voted for him because he was black and they wanted "change" and it would somehow "better their lives" if he was the president...many blacks are sick of Obama because the exact opposite happened...the racial tension this past year was more than any year in bushes presidency...and there is no denying that...if happiness and crime rate directly correlate to income and living situations like liberals use to justify crimes...then Obama didn't help to create many good jobs after all...which explains why liberal news stations lie about the unemployment numbers...
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I'd say it's almost as high as a number of people who didn't follow any of the presidential debates or the presidential run...but voted for him because he was black and they wanted "change" and it would somehow "better their lives" if he was the president...many blacks are sick of Obama because the exact opposite happened...the racial tension this past year was more than any year in bushes presidency...and there is no denying that...of happiness and crime rate directly correlate to income and living situations like liberals use to justify crimes...then Obama didn't help to create many good jobs after all...which explains why liberal news stations lie about the unemployment numbers...
Good point. While andre here is attacking racism against obama, he certainly gives 2 shits about the racial bias that helped elect obama. Blacks showed up in record numbers to vote for him, and it wasn't because of his political stance. But racism against whites and a pro-black attitude is acceptable.
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Good point. While andre here is attacking racism against obama, he certainly gives 2 shits about the racial bias that helped elect obama. Blacks showed up in record numbers to vote for him, and it wasn't because of his political stance. But racism against whites and a pro-black attitude is acceptable.
Certainly not. It's not acceptable at all.
Absolutely Black people showed up for Obama... At least the first time... Colin Powell admitted so himself. (A Republican) What explains the second time though? If I recall correctly, Obama crushed Romney and black people didn't show up near as much as they did in 2008.
What happened there?
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Certainly not. It's not acceptable at all.
Absolutely Black people showed up for Obama... At least the first time... Colin Powell admitted so himself. (A Republican) What explains the second time though? If I recall correctly, Obama crushed Romney and black people didn't show up near as much as they did in 2008.
What happened there?
I'll stick to the topic of perceived racism, as this thread started with that. The topic of weak and out of date republican candidates is an entire topic unto itself
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I'll stick to the topic of perceived racism, as this thread started with that. The topic of weak and out of date republican candidates is an entire topic unto itself
That's fair, I will just state that for any racism Obama got towards the positive, he certainly gets just as much to the negative.
It's probably a wash to be honest in regards to Obama himself.
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What do you mean by stating they are over represented? Are they randomly throwing innocent blacks in jail all while allowing all the criminal white element to run free. I would say they are represented as a direct comparison of crimes committed. It may not fit your liberal perception of the world that they make up such a small percentage of this country yet committed such a majority of the crime, but that is why the numbers are what they are.
Do I believe that lack of income and inability to afford decent legal representation contributes to some blacks receiving harsher senteces, as well as their overall economic situation? Yep, absolutely.
As it stands now, the climate against police intervention against blacks is changing. In spite of what the media and people like you portray, studies suggest police are more reluctant to shoot blacks versus white as a result of being perceived a racist. They literally hesitate to shoot in those cases.
By over represented i mean there are more black people in prison relative to their numbers in society, than say white and asian. So the juicidal system is not afraid to prosecute black people, nor should they be.
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That's fair, I will just state that for any racism Obama got towards the positive, he certainly gets just as much to the negative.
It's probably a wash to be honest in regards to Obama himself.
I would agree with you completely there. And still I am of the opinion that any opposition obama has dealt with is a result of jackass career politicians, not his race. Excuse me if I find it a bit farfetched to believe that the racist tendencies of a few influenced an entire half of Congress on their decision making. Until I see proof otherwise, I'll remain of that opinion and not label everyone as a racist as liberals tend to do
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Good point. While andre here is attacking racism against obama, he certainly gives 2 shits about the racial bias that helped elect obama. Blacks showed up in record numbers to vote for him, and it wasn't because of his political stance. But racism against whites and a pro-black attitude is acceptable.
Just like the racial bias that American history is built on.....so record numbers of blacks showed up to vote for Obama...why does that bother you so bad???...its normal...record numbers of Catholics showed up to vote for Kennedy....record numbers of Greeks showed up to vote for Dukakis....and historically, whites have always voted for whites and wouldn't allow other races or whites sympathetic to other races to run....
weird how THAT doesn't seem to bother you
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Certainly not. It's not acceptable at all.
Absolutely Black people showed up for Obama... At least the first time... Colin Powell admitted so himself. (A Republican) What explains the second time though? If I recall correctly, Obama crushed Romney and black people didn't show up near as much as they did in 2008.
What happened there?
exactly.....and Obama doesn't get elected if he doesn't win almost 40% of the white vote and almost 80% of Hispanics...no matter HOW MANY blacks showed up
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exactly.....and Obama doesn't get elected if he doesn't win almost 40% of the white vote and almost 80% of Hispanics...no matter HOW MANY blacks showed up
Many republicans just didn't even bother to show up and vote as well...Romney focused on the wrong things in his debates....Obama was about 60/40 winning those head-to-head debates going into the election...Now knowing what we know it's more like 70/30 Romney but i digress...
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Just like the racial bias that American history is built on.....so record numbers of blacks showed up to vote for Obama...why does that bother you so bad???...its normal...record numbers of Catholics showed up to vote for Kennedy....record numbers of Greeks showed up to vote for Dukakis....and historically, whites have always voted for whites and wouldn't allow other races or whites sympathetic to other races to run....
weird how THAT doesn't seem to bother you
America's pastt treatment of blacks does bother me as it has also bothered many other Americans, thus the progress we have made in race relations. However, I can't change the past nor do I demonstrate racism in the present.
My problem is blacks like you cling to race in regards to every subject matter and all of your short comings are race related. You claim to have a problem with whites opposing Obama due to his color in congress, which is pure speculation on your part, yet you have no problem with blacks clearly voting for Obama solely because he is black.
Almost every thread you start is racially motivated and as I've said before, at the very least you are a race baiter, at the worst you are a racist.
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America's pastt treatment of blacks does bother me as it has also bothered many other Americans, thus the progress we have made in race relations. However, I can't change the past nor do I demonstrate racism in the present.
My problem is blacks like you cling to race in regards to every subject matter and all of your short comings are race related. You claim to have a problem with whites opposing Obama due to his color in congress, which is pure speculation on your part, yet you have no problem with blacks clearly voting for Obama solely because he is black.
Almost every thread you start is racially motivated and as I've said before, at the very least you are a race baiter, at the worst you are a racist.
white guys always call black guys racist when they discuss race.....its the pot literally calling the kettle black....and not all of my threads are racist as you say or even race related....actually you guys bring that up first usually and I respond..then ALL OF A SUDDEN I'm a racist...look at the thread title...
I rest my case
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white guys always call black guys racist when they discuss race.....its the pot literally calling the kettle black....and not all of my threads are racist as you say or even race related....actually you guys bring that up first usually and I respond..then ALL OF A SUDDEN I'm a racist...look at the thread title...
I rest my case
You continually prove that literacy is one of your many weak points. Your 2nd post was a response in 100% agreement with one of your other race baiters that racism has plagued obama' presidency. And that's fine, I'm okay with you having that opinion so long as you hold obama to the same standard. He attended an openly racist church and has put himself into multiple racial hot boxes without knowing the facts. I can recite each one if you would like, but you will deny any wrong doing on his part.
White people actually rarely openly refer to blacks as racist in fear of being labeled racist themselves. What world are you living in where it's white people that always play the race card. For instance, it wasn't all white millionaires that claimed chip kelly was racist and shipped all the black players out. How ludicrous is that. Black people throw out claims of racism whenever they can to see what sticks
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You continually prove that literacy is one of your many weak points. Your 2nd post was a response in 100% agreement with one of your other race baiters that racism has plagued obama' presidency. And that's fine, I'm okay with you having that opinion so long as you hold obama to the same standard. He attended an openly racist church and has put himself into multiple racial hot boxes without knowing the facts. I can recite each one if you would like, but you will deny any wrong doing on his part.
White people actually rarely openly refer to blacks as racist in fear of being labeled racist themselves. What world are you living in where it's white people that always play the race card. For instance, it wasn't all white millionaires that claimed chip kelly was racist and shipped all the black players out. How ludicrous is that. Black people throw out claims of racism whenever they can to see what sticks
Well..again..you prove my point by saying I RESPONDED to someone else's post about race...I did not bring it up myself.....so thanks...again, Mr. 60 posts, you haven't been here long enough to judge me in totality.....again...as I pointed out, politicians many times attend groups who have racist ideologies.....again..I point you to republicans who regularly attend "citizen's councils" all across the south...
I know you like discussing race with me but stick to thread title
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Well..again..you prove my point by saying I RESPONDED to someone else's post about race...I did not bring it up myself.....so thanks...again, Mr. 60 posts, you haven't been here long enough to judge me in totality.....again...as I pointed out, politicians many times attend groups who have racist ideologies.....again..I point you to republicans who regularly attend "citizen's councils" all across the south...
I know you like discussing race with me but stick to thread title
I don't equate someone's choice in theology/church to a city council meeting organized to get voted. Further, city council meeting is kinda vague. Could you provide specifics. I didn't know city council meetings were arranged solely to attack blacks. I always thought it was politics. Obama openly attended that church for multiple years and even treated wright as somewhat of a mentor figure....until his sermons were released to the public. I can understand where you will sugar coat that and compare it to a city council meeting, seeing as you think whitey is always the devil and blacks can't be racist. The reality is he chose a church that practiced hatred for whites and America, until it didn't fit bis political goals.
Sorry to go off topic with my 60 posts, but you opened the door
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I don't equate someone's choice in theology/church to a city council meeting organized to get voted. Further, city council meeting is kinda vague. Could you provide specifics. I didn't know city council meetings were arranged solely to attack blacks. I always thought it was politics. Obama openly attended that church for multiple years and even treated wright as somewhat of a mentor figure....until his sermons were released to the public. I can understand where you will sugar coat that and compare it to a city council meeting, seeing as you think whitey is always the devil and blacks can't be racist. The reality is he chose a church that practiced hatred for whites and America, until it didn't fit bis political goals.
Sorry to go off topic with my 60 posts, but you opened the door
well as usual you went in the wrong direction.....I said "citizen's" councils...which are white only citizen's organizations all over the south which have a racist history of basically being wanting segregation and resisting black equal opportunity
again...why not stick around for a few years before you start taking people on,.....
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well as usual you went in the wrong direction.....I said "citizen's" councils...which are white only citizen's organizations all over the south which have a racist history of basically being wanting segregation and resisting black equal opportunity
again...why not stick around for a few years before you start taking people on,.....
Well as usual you are citing past atrocities. No such organizations are currently prevalent in the south. What's next, are you going to cite sitting in the back of the bus? We are talking about current times.
And I'm glad you didn't at least deny the part about reverend wright's church. You ignored it, but you certainly didn't deny it.
You are as much a biased half wit as is coach. You just sling mud from the different side of the table. Taking you on is soemthing a monkey that just learned it's abc's could do
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Well as usual you are citing past atrocities. No such organizations are currently prevalent in the south. What's next, are you going to cite sitting in the back of the bus? We are talking about current times.
And I'm glad you didn't at least deny the part about reverend wright's church. You ignored it, but you certainly didn't deny it.
You are as much a biased half wit as is coach. You just sling mud from the different side of the table. Taking you on is soemthing a monkey that just learned it's abc's could do
WOW...you see???...I asked you to get some more experience before commenting on things and taking me on....NOW I HAVE TO DESTROY YOU YET AGAIN!!!!!!.....I am not citing past atrocities as you put it...the White Citizen's Council, Now known as the Conservative Citizen's Council or Council of Conservative Citizen's (they dropped the word "white" since it called attention to their racism)..is still active in 2015 all over the south and politicians still meet with them , often in secret, and they still have an influence over GOP politics and politicians......
please look at the links below so I can help you understand ONCE AGAIN how wrong you are.........these are respected sources, not someones blog..even Dylan Roof, who shot those peole in the church in South Carolina cited them as an influence.....many modern politicians such as Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum have met with them and taken money from them..many politicians including Obama have their hands dirty in this type of thing
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/politics/views-on-race-and-gop-ties-define-group-council-of-conservative-citizens.html?_r=0#
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/22/gops_extremist_contributions_exposed_leader_of_group_linked_to_charleston_shooter_gave_to_cruz_santorum_paul/
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/racist-group-lurks-behind-thin-political-veil-469691971967
I AM SO GODDAMNED TIRED OF DESTROYING YOU<>>>>>THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IN THIS THREAD ALONE.....please read the above so you will be better informed, then either apologize or exit the thread
and please don't take me on again until you have reached at least 2000 posts :D..this is becoming really embarrassing for you even by GetBig standards
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WOW...you see???...I asked you to get some more experience before commenting on things and taking me on....NOW I HAVE TO DESTROY YOU YET AGAIN!!!!!!.....I am not citing past atrocities as you put it...the White Citizen's Council, Now known as the Conservative Citizen's Council or Council of Conservative Citizen's (they dropped the word "white" since it called attention to their racism)..is still active in 2015 all over the south and politicians still meet with them , often in secret, and they still have an influence over GOP politics and politicians......
please look at the links below so I can help you understand ONCE AGAIN how wrong you are.........these are respected sources, not someones blog..even Dylan Roof, who shot those peole in the church in South Carolina cited them as an influence.....many modern politicians such as Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum have met with them and taken money from them..many politicians including Obama have their hands dirty in this type of thing
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/politics/views-on-race-and-gop-ties-define-group-council-of-conservative-citizens.html?_r=0#
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/22/gops_extremist_contributions_exposed_leader_of_group_linked_to_charleston_shooter_gave_to_cruz_santorum_paul/
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/racist-group-lurks-behind-thin-political-veil-469691971967
I AM SO GODDAMNED TIRED OF DESTROYING YOU<>>>>>THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IN THIS THREAD ALONE.....please read the above so you will be better informed, then either apologize or exit the thread
and please don't take me on again until you have reached at least 2000 posts :D..this is becoming really embarrassing for you even by GetBig standards
And this is exactly why I question your literacy. If you think Dylan roof is the equivalent of oprah, Obama and many other powerful blacks attending reverend wright's church, you are an idiot. I said they weren't "prevalent" in the south. Do you even know what that word means? What you are citing is a very small minority of extremists. You aren't citing a massive majority. You certainly aren't citing well know racists groups Like the new black panthers and Louis farrakhan.
The difference between the new black panthers and these councils you speak of is the participation . In general, 99% of all whites would denounce your councils. In contrast many blacks agree with new black panthers, black lives matter, or whatever new racist agent blacks are pushing.
And stop saying you are destroying someone. You aren't 12. You notice how I actually concede Points to you and tu Holmes even if it doesn't agree with my viewpoint. That is what you call unbiased, whereas you pushing your consta nt racial rhetoric is clearly not. You cherry pick, ignore points that don't support your on, and In some cases you flat out lie.
Is this where I'm supposed to say I destroyed you or gave you a sick burn? I don't know protocol on all that
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And this is exactly why I question your literacy. If you think Dylan roof is the equivalent of oprah, Obama and many other powerful blacks attending reverend wright's church, you are an idiot. I said they weren't "prevalent" in the south. Do you even know what that word means? What you are citing is a very small minority of extremists. You aren't citing a massive majority. You certainly aren't citing well know racists groups Like the new black panthers and Louis farrakhan.
The difference between the new black panthers and these councils you speak of is the participation . In general, 99% of all whites would denounce your councils. In contrast many blacks agree with new black panthers, black lives matter, or whatever new racist agent blacks are pushing.
And stop saying you are destroying someone. You aren't 12. You notice how I actually concede Points to you and tu Holmes even if it doesn't agree with my viewpoint. That is what you call unbiased, whereas you pushing your consta nt racial rhetoric is clearly not. You cherry pick, ignore points that don't support your on, and In some cases you flat out lie.
Is this where I'm supposed to say I destroyed you or gave you a sick burn? I don't know protocol on all that
Hey hey hey.. No need to bring me up.
I'm also unbiased and have to bow out of threads at times when it gets to be too much. I hate pretty much all of the politicians in the US and favor revolution, but would settle for term limits in all political positions and campaign finance reform as a start.
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And this is exactly why I question your literacy. If you think Dylan roof is the equivalent of oprah, Obama and many other powerful blacks attending reverend wright's church, you are an idiot. I said they weren't "prevalent" in the south. Do you even know what that word means? What you are citing is a very small minority of extremists. You aren't citing a massive majority. You certainly aren't citing well know racists groups Like the new black panthers and Louis farrakhan.
The difference between the new black panthers and these councils you speak of is the participation . In general, 99% of all whites would denounce your councils. In contrast many blacks agree with new black panthers, black lives matter, or whatever new racist agent blacks are pushing.
And stop saying you are destroying someone. You aren't 12. You notice how I actually concede Points to you and tu Holmes even if it doesn't agree with my viewpoint. That is what you call unbiased, whereas you pushing your consta nt racial rhetoric is clearly not. You cherry pick, ignore points that don't support your on, and In some cases you flat out lie.
Is this where I'm supposed to say I destroyed you or gave you a sick burn? I don't know protocol on all that
Dude, the argument was about Obama seeking support from racist organizations....I simply pointed out that the Republicans seek out such support from thinly disguised white hate groups as well....I even conceded your point about Obama having his hands dirty in this type of politiking as well....I never said they were "prevalent"..of course their not..neither are racist black churches....I am not cherry picking but I just cannot respond to every single point of contention you make....I would have to have a post a page long......
As for destroying you, I definitely and most certainly have.... you said I started a racist thread..I did not and suggested that you look at the thread title.....you said that Obama got support from a racist black church...ok...but I showed you that Repubs have done the same and this is normal politicking....you stated that there were no longer any such thing as white councils and I showed you that they certainly still exist and are giving money and support to Repubs.....how much more do you want me to destroy you? ;)
Also please keep in mind my 2000 post rule......but I'll be generous and show you that i have a forgiving heart and knock it down to 1000 :D
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I guess he left......good choice 8)
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WOW...you see???...I asked you to get some more experience before commenting on things and taking me on....NOW I HAVE TO DESTROY YOU YET AGAIN!!!!!!.....I am not citing past atrocities as you put it...the White Citizen's Council, Now known as the Conservative Citizen's Council or Council of Conservative Citizen's (they dropped the word "white" since it called attention to their racism)..is still active in 2015 all over the south and politicians still meet with them , often in secret, and they still have an influence over GOP politics and politicians......
please look at the links below so I can help you understand ONCE AGAIN how wrong you are.........these are respected sources, not someones blog..even Dylan Roof, who shot those peole in the church in South Carolina cited them as an influence.....many modern politicians such as Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum have met with them and taken money from them..many politicians including Obama have their hands dirty in this type of thing
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/politics/views-on-race-and-gop-ties-define-group-council-of-conservative-citizens.html?_r=0#
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/22/gops_extremist_contributions_exposed_leader_of_group_linked_to_charleston_shooter_gave_to_cruz_santorum_paul/
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/racist-group-lurks-behind-thin-political-veil-469691971967
I AM SO GODDAMNED TIRED OF DESTROYING YOU<>>>>>THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IN THIS THREAD ALONE.....please read the above so you will be better informed, then either apologize or exit the thread
and please don't take me on again until you have reached at least 2000 posts :D..this is becoming really embarrassing for you even by GetBig standards
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Why (as you pointed out) is it considered "racist" for the conservative counsel to have the word white in it - YET - no one seems to find is offensive that there is a "Congressional BLACK caucus"?????????? That seems racist as hell to me...
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Why (as you pointed out) is it considered "racist" for the conservative counsel to have the word white in it - YET - no one seems to find is offensive that there is a "Congressional BLACK caucus"?????????? That seems racist as hell to me...
Believe me..I don't like these black/white labels either.....but I think due to the history, WHITE has signified "only us"....BLACK has signified "banding together because we have no power in any other way except as a group"..... ;)
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I guess he left......good choice 8)
Don't worry, I'm still here. I am travelling for relocation, but I'll take the time to respond. White councils would vote for white politicians, because they are racist and well....they only like white ppl. Obama was a member of a church congregation that practiced an anti-white ideology. It wasn't a matter of him receiving votes from black racist. He actually participates in the ideology.
In the future, you shouldn't declare destruction of someone yourself. Leave that to another member to observe the destruction and compliment you on it. You are like the defensive lineman that gets a sack in the 4th quarter, while his team is losing 40-7. You thump your chest even though no one else understands what your celebrating
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Don't worry, I'm still here. I am travelling for relocation, but I'll take the time to respond. White councils would vote for white politicians, because they are racist and well....they only like white ppl. Obama was a member of a church congregation that practiced an anti-white ideology. It wasn't a matter of him receiving votes from black racist. He actually participates in the ideology.
In the future, you shouldn't declare destruction of someone yourself. Leave that to another member to observe the destruction and compliment you on it. You are like the defensive lineman that gets a sack in the 4th quarter, while his team is losing 40-7. You thump your chest even though no one else understands what your celebrating
lol. I've told him that several times. Wise people let other folks praise them.
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Don't worry, I'm still here. I am travelling for relocation, but I'll take the time to respond. White councils would vote for white politicians, because they are racist and well....they only like white ppl. Obama was a member of a church congregation that practiced an anti-white ideology. It wasn't a matter of him receiving votes from black racist. He actually participates in the ideology.
In the future, you shouldn't declare destruction of someone yourself. Leave that to another member to observe the destruction and compliment you on it. You are like the defensive lineman that gets a sack in the 4th quarter, while his team is losing 40-7. You thump your chest even though no one else understands what your celebrating
I have to declare you destroyed because you don't quit when I catch you in a gaffe and you wont apologize when you're wrong....destruction is what it is....I don't need anyone else to recognize it...but you need to know when to back down when you are wrong
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lol. I've told him that several times. Wise people let other folks praise them.
I don't need anyone's acknowledgement.....comi ng from you, a person I obliterate on a regular basis, is really funny 8) ;D
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Confirmed that the department of defense has stopped training Syrian refugees. Probably in fear that Putin will just kill them ::)
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Confirmed that the department of defense has stopped training Syrian refugees. Probably in fear that Putin will just kill them ::)
it was a worthy try....but a failure...time to move on
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I have to declare you destroyed because you don't quit when I catch you in a gaffe and you wont apologize when you're wrong....destruction is what it is....I don't need anyone else to recognize it...but you need to know when to back down when you are wrong
Have you ever been considered intelligent in your entire life? I'm certain the answer is no. I don't know why you would find it any different here. Ever single one of your posts omit facts and have almost as much a bias as coach or 240. But as long as you are happy. I'm not going to declare you destroyed. I'm going to declare you incompetent, maybe even the bad kinda special
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By the way, I await your comment on Obama' participation in a church that practiced anti-white ideology.
You are quick to accuse republicans of going against obama due to being racist, with zero proof. Here we actually have obama regularly attending a racist church for years until the sermons hit national tv. Hell, even reverend wright said obama knew damn well what was being preached in that church after obama tried to say he never attended a racist or anti-American sermon and threw wright under the bus
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Have you ever been considered intelligent in your entire life? I'm certain the answer is no. I don't know why you would find it any different here. Ever single one of your posts omit facts and have almost as much a bias as coach or 240. But as long as you are happy. I'm not going to declare you destroyed. I'm going to declare you incompetent, maybe even the bad kinda special
MY POSTS OMIT FACTS??????????????..you are absolutely amazing.....I even gave you legitimate links to back up my points.....you're insane....but this is part of my destruction of you....you're still going on and on and on and I have already proven your arguments false
GIVE IT A REST
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By the way, I await your comment on Obama' participation in a church that practiced anti-white ideology.
You are quick to accuse republicans of going against obama due to being racist, with zero proof. Here we actually have obama regularly attending a racist church for years until the sermons hit national tv. Hell, even reverend wright said obama knew damn well what was being preached in that church after obama tried to say he never attended a racist or anti-American sermon and threw wright under the bus
I never defended Obama and conceded your point about him attending that church for all those years while that preacher was saying racist stuff..HOWEVER...was the preacher being racist?...or simply telling historical truths???..I wasn't there..and I never really heard the sermons..But nonetheless I DO concede your point....but again I showed you that the repubs do the same as well and that this is normal politicking
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I never defended Obama and conceded your point about him attending that church for all those years while that preacher was saying racist stuff..HOWEVER...was the preacher being racist?...or simply telling historical truths???..I wasn't there..and I never really heard the sermons..But nonetheless I DO concede your point....but again I showed you that the repubs do the same as well and that this is normal politicking
If you can find me am example of a current republican candidate attending a racist church or other ideological fsction, I would love to see it. I don't care about extremists that vote for them. I'm talking about Jeb bush, etc. I don't care about the 50's. I care about now.
If a white candidate for presidency attended anything of that nature and it came known to the public , his career would be over
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it was a worthy try....but a failure...time to move on
yes fund Isis and walk away
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yes fund Isis and walk away
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If you can find me am example of a current republican candidate attending a racist church or other ideological fsction, I would love to see it. I don't care about extremists that vote for them. I'm talking about Jeb bush, etc. I don't care about the 50's. I care about now.
If a white candidate for presidency attended anything of that nature and it came known to the public , his career would be over
Dude, candidates KNOW BETTER NOW than to actually meet with them however some candidates HAVE taken money from them such as Santorum, Ted Cruz, etc....and I wasn't talking about the 50's when GOP candidates were meeting with the White Citizens Council...this was going on up until 2012...with prominent members of the GOP meeting with them , taking money from them , etc.....again, concede the point and move on.......you keep coming back with another fence for me to jump over and I keep jumping that fence and making you look bad.....
Steve Scalise, a Republican rep from Louisiana spoke at a white supremacist convention in 2002.....
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/laura-chapin/2015/01/02/gop-will-stand-by-scalise-despite-2002-speech-to-white-supremacist-group
other prominent Republicans have met with them as well ion the past including Trent Lott who used to be house speaker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/22/the-odd-political-success-of-the-white-supremacist-council-of-conservative-citizens-explained/
This will be my fifth destruction of you in this thread alone.....when will it stop??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
and again, please observe my aforementioned 1000 post rule concerning you challenging me
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Dude, candidates KNOW BETTER NOW than to actually meet with them however some candidates HAVE taken money from them such as Santorum, Ted Cruz, etc....and I wasn't talking about the 50's when GOP candidates were meeting with the White Citizens Council...this was going on up until 2012...with prominent members of the GOP meeting with them , taking money from them , etc.....again, concede the point and move on.......you keep coming back with another fence for me to jump over and I keep jumping that fence and making you look bad.....
Steve Scalise, a Republican rep from Louisiana spoke at a white supremacist convention in 2002.....
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/laura-chapin/2015/01/02/gop-will-stand-by-scalise-despite-2002-speech-to-white-supremacist-group
other prominent Republicans have met with them as well ion the past including Trent Lott who used to be house speaker
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/22/the-odd-political-success-of-the-white-supremacist-council-of-conservative-citizens-explained/
This will be my fifth destruction of you in this thread alone.....when will it stop??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
and again, please observe my aforementioned 1000 post rule concerning you challenging me
So again, you can't cite a reference of any white candidate in our current Era attending a church or other ideologically racist organization. Yet obama did. He was a practicing member for years.
You can't be as dense as you portray. If you think donations to a political campaign are in the same ballpark as attending a racist church, you must have a small grasp of religion. Some would argue that a person's choice in theology is as important as the person they chose to marry. Obama attended that church and I can only assume he practiced the values that the church preached.
You don't like it because no modern day political candidate has demonstrated near the association obama has with a racist church/organization
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Sorry for your delusion that only whitey can be racist. Obama' s campaign reeks of racial bias.
And actually obama being a racist or at the very least demonstrating a racial bias is just fine with me. It's up to people to vote for him.
My problem is that you are one of the quickest people on this forum to point out racism against a black, even when it lacks merit. Yet we have obama sitting In the white house participating in a racist church for years, and the best you can say is you never listened to the sermon or maybe it wasn't racist, it was just history.
I'm still trying to figure out what your version of destruction is because all you do is back peddle, ignore, or distort the truth
I think I'm gonna start saying I destroyed you after each post so we can both look like dumbasses by saying it. I might even say BOOM just to add my own touch to it
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I love this guy....
Obama would have belonged to the church of satan if their voting block was big enough. Odd that Ol Rev Wright lives all nestled in with white folks and not with his south side brothers.
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So again, you can't cite a reference of any white candidate in our current Era attending a church or other ideologically racist organization. Yet obama did. He was a practicing member for years.
You can't be as dense as you portray. If you think donations to a political campaign are in the same ballpark as attending a racist church, you must have a small grasp of religion. Some would argue that a person's choice in theology is as important as the person they chose to marry. Obama attended that church and I can only assume he practiced the values that the church preached.
You don't like it because no modern day political candidate has demonstrated near the association obama has with a racist church/organization
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Sorry for your delusion that only whitey can be racist. Obama' s campaign reeks of racial bias.
And actually obama being a racist or at the very least demonstrating a racial bias is just fine with me. It's up to people to vote for him.
My problem is that you are one of the quickest people on this forum to point out racism against a black, even when it lacks merit. Yet we have obama sitting In the white house participating in a racist church for years, and the best you can say is you never listened to the sermon or maybe it wasn't racist, it was just history.
I'm still trying to figure out what your version of destruction is because all you do is back peddle, ignore, or distort the truth
I think I'm gonna start saying I destroyed you after each post so we can both look like dumbasses by saying it. I might even say BOOM just to add my own touch to it
I gave you the links.....I guess you chose not to read them......so I guess you will just continue your idiocy for the length of the thread.....I've destroyed you many times over already...I'm done...you can talk to yourself from now on....
ONLY ON GETBIG
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I gave you the links.....I guess you chose not to read them......so I guess you will just continue your idiocy for the length of the thread.....I've destroyed you many times over already...I'm done...you can talk to yourself from now on....
ONLY ON GETBIG
You gave me links showing racists donated to republicans and they spoke at functions that were hosted by a racist. That doesn't mean they knew racists gave them money, although I wouldn't be shocked if they did. Nor does it mean that because they took money from racists that they promoted a Racist Agenda with said money. I wonder who the new black panthers or groups of that kind donate to. That is the nature of donations .
As far as speaking at an event hosted by a racist. It's a real stretch to say they knew that before speaking at the event. If they were waving rebel flags and wearing klan masks, then I say that politician needs to be out of politics. However, we both know that just because racists attended an event doesn't mean it was racist in nature, nor do we know if the agenda was racist.
You provided piss poor examples and I had hoped i didnt need to explain that to you. It is in no way any comparison to attending a racist church for 10 or more years of your life.
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You gave me links showing racists donated to republicans and they spoke at functions that were hosted by a racist. That doesn't mean they knew racists gave them money, although I wouldn't be shocked if they did. Nor does it mean that because they took money from racists that they promoted a Racist Agenda with said money. I wonder who the new black panthers or groups of that kind donate to. That is the nature of donations .
As far as speaking at an event hosted by a racist. It's a real stretch to say they knew that before speaking at the event. If they were waving rebel flags and wearing klan masks, then I say that politician needs to be out of politics. However, we both know that just because racists attended an event doesn't mean it was racist in nature, nor do we know if the agenda was racist.
You provided piss poor examples and I had hoped i didnt need to explain that to you. It is in no way any comparison to attending a racist church for 10 or more years of your life.
PLEASE OBSERVE MY 1000 POST RULE....THANK YOU
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PLEASE OBSERVE MY 1000 POST RULE....THANK YOU
You are a no one on this board, and while you place high value on your post count, none of them have been any sort of relevant contribution. So long as you continue to respond to me or start racist threads, I will take 10 seconds to respond back.
I can say that if I was as dumb as you appear, I would constantly reference post count as a last hope to winning an argument too. I just wonder what you do in real life as a debate, as you can't reference post count when someone makes you look like a dumbass.
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You are a no one on this board, and while you place high value on your post count, none of them have been any sort of relevant contribution. So long as you continue to respond to me or start racist threads, I will take 10 seconds to respond back.
I can say that if I was as dumb as you appear, I would constantly reference post count as a last hope to winning an argument too. I just wonder what you do in real life as a debate, as you can't reference post count when someone makes you look like a dumbass.
PLEASE OBSERVE MY 1000 POST RULE PLEASE
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PLEASE OBSERVE MY 1000 POST RULE PLEASE
I can do this all day. If you weren't such a coward and just owned up to being a racist I would let you be. Sadly, people like you will practice your racist beliefs in anonymity yet high five every white person that helps do your job for you since you since you are too incompetent to rotate the oldest stock to the front.
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I can do this all day. If you weren't such a coward and just owned up to being a racist I would let you be. Sadly, people like you will practice your racist beliefs in anonymity yet high five every white person that helps do your job for you since you since you are too incompetent to rotate the oldest stock to the front.
you are really delusional.....PLEASE OBSERVE MY 1000 POST RULE PLEASE
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you are really delusional.....PLEASE OBSERVE MY 1000 POST RULE PLEASE
Will do. My response to you will eventually help me reach your 1k post milestone. So, in a sense, yiu getting your ass stomped and acting like a 5 year old helps us both out.
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Will do. My response to you will eventually help me reach your 1k post milestone. So, in a sense, yiu getting your ass stomped and acting like a 5 year old helps us both out.
Please observe Andre's 1000 POST RULE.