Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure

Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Parker on October 05, 2015, 05:11:09 AM

Title: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 05, 2015, 05:11:09 AM
So, what do you all think? Does it help or hurt women? Since many on here may practice "body shaming", should said women also be shamed for being "promiscuous"? 
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/04/living/amber-rose-slutwalk-feat/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/04/living/amber-rose-slutwalk-feat/index.html)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Papper on October 05, 2015, 06:16:55 AM
If they dress like sluts I view them more as sluts

It does not have the opposite effect, which shouldn't be too hard to grasp even for a dumb slut
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 05, 2015, 06:22:47 AM
If they dress like sluts I view them more as sluts

It does not have the opposite effect, which shouldn't be too hard to grasp even for a dumb slut
The argument is that it's their body, so that they can dress how they want. And be free of judgment or shame. Yet wear XYZ to function to call attention to themselves. And when they ar judged...hands go up.
Now, Amber has said that she was first slut shamed at 14. I believe she started stripping around 15 or so (IIRC). Now, this may have something to do with how she grew up.

Odd, how we all want to do what we want, and be free of judgment (be that any act, man or woman), yet we don't want the consequences of our actions, unless the consequences are positive feedback (Phil Heath as an example).
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Hulkotron on October 05, 2015, 06:38:58 AM
This idea of "judging" and it being a globally bad/demeaning/unfair thing seems to be unique to the "female" psyche.

Call a spade a spade, if it looks like a duck/quacks like a duck etc.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Papper on October 05, 2015, 07:39:05 AM
The argument is that it's their body, so that they can dress how they want. And be free of judgment or shame. Yet wear XYZ to function to call attention to themselves. And when they ar judged...hands go up.
Now, Amber has said that she was first slut shamed at 14. I believe she started stripping around 15 or so (IIRC). Now, this may have something to do with how she grew up.

Odd, how we all want to do what we want, and be free of judgment (be that any act, man or woman), yet we don't want the consequences of our actions, unless the consequences are positive feedback (Phil Heath as an example).

Seriously, I think it's the wrong way to go about it

As soon as you stop viewing yourself as a victim you care less about people judging you. This is just portraying women as a victim group - again
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: phreak on October 05, 2015, 07:47:21 AM
They are detached from the real world, not realising that Utopia cannot exist. Yes, you will be treated differently based on how you look. Is that right? Yes, frankly. Does it make you deserve rape? No. But people will be people, and given the chance SOME will not follow the law. Getting raped for dressing provocatively is wrong, but knowingly putting yourself in a situation where it is more likely to happen does put some of the responsibility on the victim. I could walk around the ghetto waving my cash and flashing my Rolex and SHOULD remain unmolested, but I take responsibility for my own actions, and so do not recklessly endanger myself by that sort of behaviour. You cannot work off of theories on how people SHOULD behave, you base your actions on how people DO behave.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: BigCyp on October 05, 2015, 07:49:46 AM
They are detached from the real world, not realising that Utopia cannot exist. Yes, you will be treated differently based on how you look. Is that right? Yes, frankly. Does it make you deserve rape? No. But people will be people, and given the chance SOME will not follow the law. Getting raped for dressing provocatively is wrong, but knowingly putting yourself in a situation where it is more likely to happen does put some of the responsibility on the victim. I could walk around the ghetto waving my cash and flashing my Rolex and SHOULD remain unmolested, but I take responsibility for my own actions, and so do not recklessly endanger myself by that sort of behaviour. You cannot work off of theories on how people SHOULD behave, you base your actions on how people DO behave.

True man, people want laws passed that are based on pure ideology.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Papper on October 05, 2015, 07:54:12 AM
(http://thefappening.so/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Amber-Rose-Naked-000.jpg)

Shes just a classic attention whore

Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: phreak on October 05, 2015, 08:01:21 AM
(http://thefappening.so/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Amber-Rose-Naked-000.jpg)

Shes just a classic attention whore


I'd put a wig on it and pump away for a few minutes. With prior written and notarised consent of course.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Azure on October 05, 2015, 08:07:00 AM
Hoes are gonna get hoe treatment and of course some idiot will try to wife them because they are willing to follow them everywhere. These women bring nothing to table except pretty faces, great bodies, and banging sex.

Then the men get tired of them and are mad when they lose money on the deal

Amber Rose is an idiot. Being a hoe is not something you want to promote. Old hoes in their 60's and 70's are a sad bunch. Women need to work on developing themselves all around. Besides that women who actually are sexually liberated don't care what others think and do whatever they want. They aren't hoes. Hoes have nothing else going on except being sex objects
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: phreak on October 05, 2015, 08:09:24 AM
Hoes are gonna get hoe treatment and of course some idiot will try to wife them because they are willing to follow them everywhere. These women bring nothing to table except pretty faces, great bodies, and banging sex.

Then the men get tired of them and are mad when they lose money on the deal

Amber Rose is an idiot. Being a hoe is not something you want to promote. Old hoes in their 60's and 70's are a sad bunch. Women need to work on developing themselves all around. Besides that women who actually are sexually liberated don't care what others think and do whatever they want. They aren't hoes. Hoes have nothing else going on except being sex objects

Undermining your entire argument in one sentence... ;D
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Azure on October 05, 2015, 08:24:00 AM
Undermining your entire argument in one sentence... ;D

LOL!!

But that gets old after a while and it's on to the next hoe.  Dude the stuff I used to hear about from pro athletes was just mind boggling. After a while they just wanted someone who wanted to be there for them and then these girls would lie and make them think they were really down and then 2 or 3 years later and meal tickets aka kids later...it was over
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: andreisdaman on October 05, 2015, 08:47:01 AM
At the risk of sounding professorial, I think we men have got to accept two things:

That this is a patriarchal society and that men created rules whereby we could do whatever we wanted and women could not.  Women have the right to have sex with as many guys as they can handle......we men put social rules in place to control women and to control their bodies and sexuality........women are starting to kick our asses in the workplace and in academia and they no longer want to be bound by these rules.....

second of all, women have ALWAYS been promiscuous....its just that they are so much better than us at hiding it.....just watch the Maury show :D..we men are pretty much open about what we do 8)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 05, 2015, 08:59:59 AM
They can't have their cake and eat it too. They only want to be noticed by whoever they find attractive and want to talk too, yet when you dress like this, you are open to judgement of everyone within viewing range. If you wear shot like that, prepare to take the good with the bad. That said, anyone who rapes a woman because of how she's dressed should be liquidated.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: andreisdaman on October 05, 2015, 09:16:13 AM
They can't have their cake and eat it too. They only want to be noticed by whoever they find attractive and want to talk too, yet when you dress like this, you are open to judgement of everyone within viewing range. If you wear shot like that, prepare to take the good with the bad. That said, anyone who rapes a woman because of how she's dressed should be liquidated.

I agree with everything said here
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Azure on October 05, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
They can't have their cake and eat it too. They only want to be noticed by whoever they find attractive and want to talk too, yet when you dress like this, you are open to judgement of everyone within viewing range. If you wear shot like that, prepare to take the good with the bad. That said, anyone who rapes a woman because of how she's dressed should be liquidated.

I am a woman and I approve this message
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: f450 on October 05, 2015, 09:20:31 AM
At the risk of sounding professorial, I think we men have got to accept two things:

That this is a patriarchal society and that men created rules whereby we could do whatever we wanted and women could not.  Women have the right to have sex with as many guys as they can handle......we men put social rules in place to control women and to control their bodies and sexuality........women are starting to kick our asses in the workplace and in academia and they no longer want to be bound by these rules.....

second of all, women have ALWAYS been promiscuous....its just that they are so much better than us at hiding it.....just watch the Maury show :D..we men are pretty much open about what we do 8)

WOW. incredible how you get so much wrong in a few short sentences. First, society has always been set up to protect women especially from themselves... There has never been a time when men did whatever they wanted and women could not. Only the Elite ( and that included women) could do whatever they wanted . The average man was nothing but  a worker drone. The vast majority didnt have a say in how society was run..couldnt vote except they had land etc...

Women are not kicking mens asses in anything.NOTHING. The schools have been redesigned to favor women and turn the boys into pseudo females. Boys are not designed to sit down for hours on end and listen to some woman babble about some topic, Even the way testing is done has been redesigned to favor women precisely because men are just better and harder working. Yes they graduate at a higher rate but with a bunch of shitty degrees and go to do nothing jobs in HR departments and business offices while the men continue to innovate, build and maintain society like we've always done.

Now once you get out into the real world...hell even higher education where those constraints are removed and boys can return to being boys, They destroy the women.. In the subjects and fields that matter ( STEM), not fucking social work and gender studies. If women are kicking mens asses why are the ratios of nobel prize winners in the mathematics and sciences so skewed towards men that women are pretty much invisible?

You've been drinking the kool-aid... they got to you. You need to purge brother. Get that shit out of your system.

you're right about one thing though. Women have always been whores but society (men ) kept them in check because a whorish female is a no good piece of trash and is worthless to the progress of society and civilization. Remove those checks and look what happens... Take a look at the matriarchal community in America which is the African American community. Just a sad state of affairs. Breeding criminal males in record numbers, Fatherless homes, single mothers, poverty etc ... thats what happens when you give women unrestricted freedom. Same shit that would happen if you gave a kid no restrictions. A fucking Disaster.

Look at the feminist controlled European countries and what is happening right now... I could go on and on and on.

Rant over.

On topic Amber Rose is a fine ass hoe. I'd hit it once or twice with no hesitation. :)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: TheGrinch on October 05, 2015, 09:57:36 AM
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: andreisdaman on October 05, 2015, 09:59:18 AM
WOW. incredible how you get so much wrong in a few short sentences. First, society has always been set up to protect women especially from themselves... There has never been a time when men did whatever they wanted and women could not. Only the Elite ( and that included women) could do whatever they wanted . The average man was nothing but  a worker drone. The vast majority didnt have a say in how society was run..couldnt vote except they had land etc...

Women are not kicking mens asses in anything.NOTHING. The schools have been redesigned to favor women and turn the boys into pseudo females. Boys are not designed to sit down for hours on end and listen to some woman babble about some topic, Even the way testing is done has been redesigned to favor women precisely because men are just better and harder working. Yes they graduate at a higher rate but with a bunch of shitty degrees and go to do nothing jobs in HR departments and business offices while the men continue to innovate, build and maintain society like we've always done.

Now once you get out into the real world...hell even higher education where those constraints are removed and boys can return to being boys, They destroy the women.. In the subjects and fields that matter ( STEM), not fucking social work and gender studies. If women are kicking mens asses why are the ratios of nobel prize winners in the mathematics and sciences so skewed towards men that women are pretty much invisible?

You've been drinking the kool-aid... they got to you. You need to purge brother. Get that shit out of your system.

you're right about one thing though. Women have always been whores but society (men ) kept them in check because a whorish female is a no good piece of trash and is worthless to the progress of society and civilization. Remove those checks and look what happens... Take a look at the matriarchal community in America which is the African American community. Just a sad state of affairs. Breeding criminal males in record numbers, Fatherless homes, single mothers, poverty etc ... thats what happens when you give women unrestricted freedom. Same shit that would happen if you gave a kid no restrictions. A fucking Disaster.

Look at the feminist controlled European countries and what is happening right now... I could go on and on and on.

Rant over.

On topic Amber Rose is a fine ass hoe. I'd hit it once or twice with no hesitation. :)

WOW..I don't even know where to begin here....

I disagree that I got anything wrong......we are just looking at two sides of the same coin......so in your opinion..we set up rules to protect women "from themselves"..yet we men kill each other (and women), and have sex with any woman we want when we want, with men and women and thats fine....because we're men.....we set up social barriers to prevent women from being truly free....you know that..all your chauvinist observations not withstanding....and yes my friend, woman ARE beginning to kick our asses in certain areas...they are graduating more female doctors and lawyers and I doubt as you say that those schools of practice were "changed" to suit women.... you are right that boys are becoming pseudo females as you put it but its because we are more involved in child-rearing and housework whicb we should be......but also due to sitting around playing video games all day and working in jobs where we can play with toys and avoid real work like the Apple store ;D

We have more Nobel Prizes due to men traditionally being more into science and math than women and because for a long time we held women back and discriminated against them so that they did not go into science.....at one point it was very hard for women to be aqccepted for Master's Degrees or doctorates due to discrimination...it doesnt make us less of a man to admit that.....but as the years go by you will see more women winning those awards because more and more are entering the field.....thats like saying white guys are better at baseball than black guys because they used to win all the awards and still today win plenty of them....that was due to discrimination not because whites were TRULY better....

you talk about women breeding criminal males as if WOIMEN ARE ABLE TO BREED THESE MEN ON THEIR OWN....a lot of men fathered them...which is my point....men can do that and face no societal guilt-trips
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Necrosis on October 05, 2015, 10:28:23 AM
In terms of intellect, men are generally more extreme or polarized then woman. This is a fact, look at the bell curve. there are far more avg intelligence woman then men, however, in terms of genius, men outnumber woman significantly, this is why sciences are skewed. We evolved differently, makes sense.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: andreisdaman on October 05, 2015, 10:30:40 AM
In terms of intellect, men are generally more extreme or polarized then woman. This is a fact, look at the bell curve. there are far more avg intelligence woman then men, however, in terms of genius, men outnumber woman significantly, this is why sciences are skewed. We evolved differently, makes sense.

I'm not an expert of course but maybe genius is correlatd with extreme thinking.....I don't know.....but traditional discrimination does in fact play some role...just for example why there aren't more men in nursing.....social expectations play a part ;D
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: _bruce_ on October 05, 2015, 10:52:51 AM
They are detached from the real world, not realising that Utopia cannot exist. Yes, you will be treated differently based on how you look. Is that right? Yes, frankly. Does it make you deserve rape? No. But people will be people, and given the chance SOME will not follow the law. Getting raped for dressing provocatively is wrong, but knowingly putting yourself in a situation where it is more likely to happen does put some of the responsibility on the victim. I could walk around the ghetto waving my cash and flashing my Rolex and SHOULD remain unmolested, but I take responsibility for my own actions, and so do not recklessly endanger myself by that sort of behaviour. You cannot work off of theories on how people SHOULD behave, you base your actions on how people DO behave.

Good to know that there are still people out there with a working brain.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: NelsonMuntz on October 05, 2015, 11:00:19 AM
If women want to go protest shit they don't like about men, then at least have the balls to go to a country like one of these islamic ones and give them shit.

It's easy to treat N. American and European men like shit and blame us for all the ills and victimizations of women because our society and media is emasculating males through shaming(how fucking ironic) yet if they went to one of these 3rd world Islamic shitholes or even rich ones like Saudi Arabia they would find out very quickly how much they are not as victimized and unfairly treated as they think they are here
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 05, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Seriously, I think it's the wrong way to go about it

As soon as you stop viewing yourself as a victim you care less about people judging you. This is just portraying women as a victim group - again
Exactly. Many of these women (and people who profess victimhood) want to be Victor and victim all in the same time. You want to be protected and use the system against men, yet you want equality to men. Well, that means that the "protection" ends. Or men get the same "protection". This is somewhat of a backdoor acknowledgment of wanting equality only when you want it. Equality is unconditional.

Quote
« Reply #5 on: Today at 07:47:21 AM »
Reply with quoteQuote
They are detached from the real world, not realising that Utopia cannot exist. Yes, you will be treated differently based on how you look. Is that right? Yes, frankly. Does it make you deserve rape? No. But people will be people, and given the chance SOME will not follow the law. Getting raped for dressing provocatively is wrong, but knowingly putting yourself in a situation where it is more likely to happen does put some of the responsibility on the victim. I could walk around the ghetto waving my cash and flashing my Rolex and SHOULD remain unmolested, but I take responsibility for my own actions, and so do not recklessly endanger myself by that sort of behaviour. You cannot work off of theories on how people SHOULD behave, you base your actions on how people DO behave.

Quite true. I agree with you.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: andreisdaman on October 05, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
If women want to go protest shit they don't like about men, then at least have the balls to go to a country like one of these islamic ones and give them shit.

It's easy to treat N. American and European men like shit and blame us for all the ills and victimizations of women because our society and media is emasculating males through shaming(how fucking ironic) yet if they went to one of these 3rd world Islamic shitholes or even rich ones like Saudi Arabia they would find out very quickly how much they are not as victimized and unfairly treated as they think they are here

I think Millenials and hipsters are emasculating themselves by playing video games all day every day, staring at their phones all day, and working in Apple stores..the things the media shames us on like picking up after ourselves, helping out with the baby, and cleaning up are well deserved
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: CalvinH on October 05, 2015, 11:22:47 AM
So where are the pics of sluts walking ???
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 05, 2015, 11:46:10 AM


I was actually going to reference this clip in my post. Killing Them Softly was one of the funniest stand up acts I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 05, 2015, 12:16:31 PM
This idea of "judging" and it being a globally bad/demeaning/unfair thing seems to be unique to the "female" psyche.

Call a spade a spade, if it looks like a duck/quacks like a duck etc.
It's the double standard that a lot of women who think like this object to. Why shouldn't women enjoy sex? Why shouldn't women be able to have fully formed sexual identities without being considered some sort of moral failing? Why do so many people (men and women alike) buy into the idea that women have to separate any sort of sexual desire/activity from any other aspect of their life?
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: andreisdaman on October 05, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
It's the double standard that a lot of women who think like this object to. Why shouldn't women enjoy sex? Why shouldn't women be able to have fully formed sexual identities without being considered some sort of moral failing? Why do so many people (men and women alike) buy into the idea that women have to separate any sort of sexual desire/activity from any other aspect of their life?

agreed...same thing I said
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: phreak on October 05, 2015, 12:50:59 PM
It's the double standard that a lot of women who think like this object to. Why shouldn't women enjoy sex? Why shouldn't women be able to have fully formed sexual identities without being considered some sort of moral failing? Why do so many people (men and women alike) buy into the idea that women have to separate any sort of sexual desire/activity from any other aspect of their life?
I think most men are fine with women enjoying sex. But what about the other double standard? A man who wakes up next to a pig will sneak out and lie to his friends. A woman who wakes up next to an ugly guy can cry 'rape' and be taken somewhat seriously.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: andreisdaman on October 05, 2015, 12:54:59 PM
I think most men are fine with women enjoying sex. But what about the other double standard? A man who wakes up next to a pig will sneak out and lie to his friends. A woman who wakes up next to an ugly guy can cry 'rape' and be taken somewhat seriously.

women don't usually cry rape on ugly guys..... ;D...its the guys they actually WANT and can't have that they accuse of rape out of spite
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Hulkotron on October 05, 2015, 12:57:07 PM
So where are the pics of sluts walking ???

x2 thread sucks
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Melkor on October 05, 2015, 01:00:20 PM
"Slutwalk"  ::). Are the mentally stable, i.e. those who make rational, logical decisions, in the minority nowadays? What would the male equivalent of a slutwalk be?

Clearly the decision for a woman to partake in such an event is an emotional one. But I can't help but think that after sleeping on it for a couple of nights even the most ardent feminist, attention seeking, egomaniacal woman would reconsider her involvement in this deranged spectacle...
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Melkor on October 05, 2015, 01:03:34 PM
women don't usually cry rape on ugly guys..... ;D...its the guys they actually WANT and can't have that they accuse of rape out of spite

Not true. It's usually when a girl has sex with a guy that she later regrets (either because she thought he was ugly or an asshole etc.) that the rape accusation is thrown about. This is the case for many university "campus" sexual assaults.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 05, 2015, 01:13:16 PM
It's the double standard that a lot of women who think like this object to. Why shouldn't women enjoy sex? Why shouldn't women be able to have fully formed sexual identities without being considered some sort of moral failing? Why do so many people (men and women alike) buy into the idea that women have to separate any sort of sexual desire/activity from any other aspect of their life?
No one said that a woman should not enjoy sex. This is not about that. Moderation is the key to all. Sex is enjoyable, but the reason for sex is not enjoyment, one can say that is a byproduct so that you'd want to have sex and reproduce.
This about being judged negatively about our (or rather women's) actions. Everybody judges.
Fact is Amber Rose is/was a stripper, her friend Black Chyna is a stripper. They look good. Men get after them for one thing, and that is what they sell or are about. And they don't want to be judged for that. But, how did they judge the the men who they stripped for? That they only saw them for $$$? We all judge.

There is no real double standard. Women give consent that men need. Women have that power. Two things run this world, money and women. We'd do anything for both. So, what happens when anybody makes themselves available? They don't get respected. They don't get appreciated. We all want what is not available to us. And so, if women make themselves available to men with no requirements, the quality of men goes down. And since women want the attention, and men want women, men must accept what women do, in order to get "that". So the quality of women goes down as well.

Also, when women collectively allow themselves to be available sexually, they become more of a commodity. You can easily get it. Women choose to remove the power and absolve themselves of the responsibility that comes with it. And there are consequences.
Like Corey Holcolm had said , "No sex for you tonight!! No, no sex FROM you tonight!"
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 05, 2015, 01:14:40 PM
I think most men are fine with women enjoying sex. But what about the other double standard? A man who wakes up next to a pig will sneak out and lie to his friends. A woman who wakes up next to an ugly guy can cry 'rape' and be taken somewhat seriously.

On the last page, you said that a woman who  dresses provocatively should take some responsibility if she's raped. (At least, that's what I got out of it, maybe you meant something different). The whole idea that sexually attractive women are evil vixens and men can't control themselves if their skirts are too short is wrong to me.  Society, as a whole, is not fine with women enjoying sex. Men, as individuals, want their partner to be rocked when we fuck ém, but every other bitch who has ever had sex is a slut. Every girl who posts a selfie on instagram is a thot.  
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 05, 2015, 01:18:15 PM
No one said that a woman should not enjoy sex. This is not about that. Moderation is the key to all. Sex is enjoyable, but the reason for sex is not enjoyment, one can say that is a byproduct so that you'd want to have sex and reproduce. There is no real double standard. Women give consent that men need. Women have that power. Two things run this world, money and women. We'd do anything for both. So, what happens when anybody makes themselves available? They don't get respected. They don't get appreciated. We all want what is not available to us. And so, if women make themselves available to men with no requirements, the quality of men goes down. And since women want the attention, and men want women, men must accept what women do, in order to get "that". So the quality of women goes down as well.
Also, when women collectively allow themselves to be available sexually, they become more of a commodity. You can easily get it. Women choose to remove the power and absolve themselves of the responsibility that comes with it. And there are consequences.
Like Corey Holcolm had said , "No sex for you tonight!! No, no sex FROM you tonight!"

It's not just about women who make themselves sexually available to men. It's about women having any sort of sexual identity at all. I've seen so many fitness guys on instagram talking about how women who post up selfies are sluts and bottom of the barrel bitches, even though they are posting literally the same type of pics.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 05, 2015, 01:26:21 PM
It's not just about women who make themselves sexually available to men. It's about women having any sort of sexual identity at all. I've seen so many fitness guys on instagram talking about how women who post up selfies are sluts and bottom of the barrel bitches, even though they are posting literally the same type of pics.
How did you ge that? You are taking on an extreme. Men and women live in two different worlds. The men you mention who talk like that are yes, hypocrites, but one could say that the men and women are both one in the same, hor d'oeuvres of attention.
And you know what the sad thing is? Many same women that they criticize will sleep with them, and the men will deny said criticism (because that is what we men do, deny and lie), because of the low self esteem and the supposed belief that said men are telling the truth, and the want to be desired and the attention. Think about that.
There are no easy answers.

Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: visualizeperfection on October 05, 2015, 01:34:17 PM
x2 thread sucks

Lets ungay this thread.

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/eb0274e0de72e375e8ccad64101bd2f2/tumblr_mysti9c3c11qhwp7ho1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 05, 2015, 01:36:06 PM
How did you ge that? You are taking on an extreme. Men and women live in two different worlds. The men you mention who talk like that are yes, hypocrites, but one could say that the men and women are both one in the same, hor d'oeuvres of attention.
And you know what the sad thing is? These same women that they criticize will sleep with them, because of the low self esteem and the want to be desired and the attention. Think about that.



How am I taking on an extreme?  ??? The double standard between how sexually active men and women are viewed is pretty clear. There is not an expectation of moderation for men. There is no character value attached to men's clothing.  If a guy is unmarried but has children, there's no expectation that he should no longer have a sex life, or even have a reserved sex life.

Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 05, 2015, 01:43:32 PM
They should walk through the Muslim parts of London like that...
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Papper on October 05, 2015, 01:59:06 PM
Exactly. Many of these women (and people who profess victimhood) want to be Victor and victim all in the same time. You want to be protected and use the system against men, yet you want equality to men. Well, that means that the "protection" ends. Or men get the same "protection". This is somewhat of a backdoor acknowledgment of wanting equality only when you want it. Equality is unconditional.

Sure you can do your part in being as fair/equal but that will not change the fact that a large number of women just "want" to be victims of all sorts of things. The right way to go about it should start with raising your daughter best as you can, when she is out walking the street in skimpy clothes and viewing herself as a poor victim of sexism it is basically too late.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: SF1900 on October 05, 2015, 02:04:44 PM
There is a facebook page called "Women against feminism."

They posted this picture:

(http://s18.postimg.org/ez9bbp8q1/12144929_402707186605192_3550156232736413973_n.jpg)

1915: Old school/real feminists who truly desired change. Want equal rights for women.

2015: New school/fake feminists. Man haters. Don't want men to be equal; want men to be inferior. Hate equality.

Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: The_Punisher on October 05, 2015, 02:12:55 PM
So, what do you all think? Does it help or hurt women? Since many on here may practice "body shaming", should said women also be shamed for being "promiscuous"? 
 http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/04/living/amber-rose-slutwalk-feat/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/04/living/amber-rose-slutwalk-feat/index.html)


Amber Rose is every Striper's wildest dream......come on, I remember seeing Lola and Blac Chyna at sinsationals working the poles , they all been around the Block In PG's strip joints a few years ago and they're living the dream now.....Amber is just getting free publicity for her "new reality show" with her home Biatch Blac Chyna. it will work just perfectly.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Nails on October 05, 2015, 02:14:28 PM
she is more of a whore then a slut but ok
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 05, 2015, 02:34:26 PM
How am I taking on an extreme?  ??? The double standard between how sexually active men and women are viewed is pretty clear. There is not an expectation of moderation for men. There is no character value attached to men's clothing.  If a guy is unmarried but has children, there's no expectation that he should no longer have a sex life, or even have a reserved sex life.


There are legitimately two standards as Women give consent. Men need opportunity. You understand that right? It is easier for a woman to get or have sex than a man. You cannot apply the same standard when men and women are different. It cannot work. Now, I as I said before moderation is the key. Excess in any direction is wrong. Just look at bodybuilding for example. It has gotten to the point where excess has created a stagnation in quality.

And that is what has happened to men and women. The bigger picture in all of this Women are men's quality control. And as such women are held to a HIGHER standard than men. Because they have the POWER in this regard.
And that is what it boils down to. Power and control. When you have power there comes the responsibility with that.
If a man is unmarried and has kids, there used to be a greater expectation that he takes care of them. Today, due to women not wanting to use their responsibility of keeping said men in check, they allow themselves to be available to said man. Again, women have the power to say yes or no. So who is the man having sex with?
The constant is the woman. Less women available means less sex for men, which means women can require men to take care of the kids, get a job, etc.

As far as no character value attached to men's clothes. Yes there is. Remember the saying "the clothes make the man"? Think about it.

Ask yourself this, if someone gave you free ____ (insert name of goods) that you liked, would you take them? The answer would probably be "yes". Now, if you constantly were given those free goods, it would lose it specialness, correct? There is no desire to want something as much because you don't have to work for it, and it loses its power to hold your attention. In your eyes it has lost it's value. And you have lost something yourself as well.

That is the bigger picture.
Quality. Power. Control.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 05, 2015, 02:49:24 PM
So, once again, how am I taking on an extreme? You literally just posted that it is women's responsibility to make sure men control behave themselves, ignoring that neither sex makes decisions by committee. What extreme am I taking on?  You are using extreme examples, but the points I am making are evident no matter what part of the scale you land on.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Azure on October 05, 2015, 02:51:22 PM
There are legitimately two standards as Women give consent. Men need opportunity. You understand that right? It is easier for a woman to get or have sex than a man. You cannot apply the same standard when men and women are different. It cannot work. Now, I as I said before moderation is the key. Excess in any direction is wrong. Just look at bodybuilding for example. It has gotten to the point where excess has created a stagnation in quality.

And that is what has happened to men and women. The bigger picture in all of this Women are men's quality control. And as such women are held to a HIGHER standard than men. Because they have the POWER in this regard.
And that is what it boils down to. Power and control. When you have power there comes the responsibility with that.
If a man is unmarried and has kids, there used to be a greater expectation that he takes care of them. Today, due to women not wanting to use their responsibility of keeping said men in check, they allow themselves to be available to said man. Again, women have the power to say yes or no. So who is the man having sex with?
The constant is the woman. Less women available means less sex for men, which means women can require men to take care of the kids, get a job, etc.

Ask yourself this, if someone gave you free ____ (insert name of goods) that you liked, would you take them? The answer would probably be "yes". Now, if you constantly were those free goods, it would lose it specialness, correct? There is no desire to want something as much because you don't have to work for it, and it loses its power to hold your attention. In your eyes it has lost it's value. And you have lost something yourself as well.

That is the bigger picture.
Quality. Power. Control.

Good post as usual

It's definitely about quality power and control.

men tend to date the same type of woman until they actually learn the lesson. You don't partner with a woman like Amber Rose or black China. The men who do quickly tire of them

Interestingly enough in my experience having your own life and your own ability to say no works in your favor. I remember when it first started I was completely different from the ex wife and all the exes. For one thing I wasn't willing to give up my own life and interests. Plus I think I was more interesting than someone who just got wrapped up in the man.

I think men don't get enough credit for actually having brains outside of penises. I actually have proof that men like it when you treat them like human beings!

these women are stupid if they think this is the way to go about things

Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Skorp1o on October 05, 2015, 03:20:00 PM
I actually joined the slut walk group on facebook when I had an account thinking it was some sort of pan-sexual group that throws sex parties around the world...with sluts being an abundant ingredient.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm overly optimistic in this world.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Skeletor on October 05, 2015, 03:42:22 PM
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/636/026/cbe.jpg)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on October 05, 2015, 03:47:03 PM
(http://thefappening.so/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Amber-Rose-Naked-000.jpg)

Shes just a classic attention whore




OH MY !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Hulkotron on October 05, 2015, 04:03:58 PM
Parker is speaking many truths.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Palumboism on October 05, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
So where are the pics of sluts walking ???

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQaBNMbWoAA7pre.jpg)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Red Hook on October 05, 2015, 04:43:19 PM
Lets ungay this thread.

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/eb0274e0de72e375e8ccad64101bd2f2/tumblr_mysti9c3c11qhwp7ho1_500.gif)

umm.. where can I watch the rest of this educational video?
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Irongrip400 on October 05, 2015, 05:24:48 PM
So many walls of text in this thread. Someone just post up nudes of the bald whore please.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: visualizeperfection on October 05, 2015, 05:32:54 PM
umm.. where can I watch the rest of this educational video?

Ill pull the rest of the footage from Hulkotrons living room CCTV.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: SuperTed on October 06, 2015, 04:20:11 AM
(http://thefappening.so/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Amber-Rose-Naked-000.jpg)

Shes just a classic attention whore



WOW! :o :P
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: phreak on October 06, 2015, 05:10:09 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQaBNMbWoAA7pre.jpg)

5,4,7,3,1,2,6
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Voice of Doom on October 06, 2015, 05:17:55 AM
Don't judge me for my lifestyle! 

But make sure to buy what I'm selling...
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 06, 2015, 05:26:29 AM

Amber Rose is every Striper's wildest dream......come on, I remember seeing Lola and Blac Chyna at sinsationals working the poles , they all been around the Block In PG's strip joints a few years ago and they're living the dream now.....Amber is just getting free publicity for her "new reality show" with her home Biatch Blac Chyna. it will work just perfectly.
I think Lola dropped off, she got the fake booty and blew up in Smooth Magazine, after that, what is doing now?
And I agree with your assessment of Amber. One thing is about her, due to her stripper background, she has an end game that many women who haven't been in the "life" don't see.

I also suspect that she will be stealing attention from these women at these functions due to her looks. Let's face it, Amber Rose is no average looking woman with an average body. So, when Amber comes on the scene, these women I suspect will start feeling envious and then will start making snide remarks on social media.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Immortal_Technique on October 06, 2015, 05:32:54 AM
There is a facebook page called "Women against feminism."

They posted this picture:

(http://s18.postimg.org/ez9bbp8q1/12144929_402707186605192_3550156232736413973_n.jpg)

1915: Old school/real feminists who truly desired change. Want equal rights for women.

2015: New school/fake feminists. Man haters. Don't want men to be equal; want men to be inferior. Hate equality.



Complete twaddle
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 06, 2015, 07:33:20 AM
Don't judge me for my lifestyle! 

But make sure to buy what I'm selling...

Honestly, I think there's a difference between "don't judge me" and "I don't give a shit IF you judge me."
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: SF1900 on October 06, 2015, 07:41:18 AM
Complete twaddle


What is? ??? ???
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: phreak on October 06, 2015, 07:42:51 AM
Honestly, I think there's a difference between "don't judge me" and "I don't give a shit IF you judge me."

True. But this cumsucker wants to be judged. Her business model depends on it. She cares very greatly about being seen in a certain light, she would be sucking off hobo's for a shot of Robitussin if men did not see her as meat.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Purge_WTF on October 06, 2015, 07:46:58 AM
WOW. incredible how you get so much wrong in a few short sentences. First, society has always been set up to protect women especially from themselves... There has never been a time when men did whatever they wanted and women could not. Only the Elite ( and that included women) could do whatever they wanted . The average man was nothing but  a worker drone. The vast majority didnt have a say in how society was run..couldnt vote except they had land etc...

Women are not kicking mens asses in anything.NOTHING. The schools have been redesigned to favor women and turn the boys into pseudo females. Boys are not designed to sit down for hours on end and listen to some woman babble about some topic, Even the way testing is done has been redesigned to favor women precisely because men are just better and harder working. Yes they graduate at a higher rate but with a bunch of shitty degrees and go to do nothing jobs in HR departments and business offices while the men continue to innovate, build and maintain society like we've always done.

Now once you get out into the real world...hell even higher education where those constraints are removed and boys can return to being boys, They destroy the women.. In the subjects and fields that matter ( STEM), not fucking social work and gender studies. If women are kicking mens asses why are the ratios of nobel prize winners in the mathematics and sciences so skewed towards men that women are pretty much invisible?

You've been drinking the kool-aid... they got to you. You need to purge brother. Get that shit out of your system.

you're right about one thing though. Women have always been whores but society (men ) kept them in check because a whorish female is a no good piece of trash and is worthless to the progress of society and civilization. Remove those checks and look what happens... Take a look at the matriarchal community in America which is the African American community. Just a sad state of affairs. Breeding criminal males in record numbers, Fatherless homes, single mothers, poverty etc ... thats what happens when you give women unrestricted freedom. Same shit that would happen if you gave a kid no restrictions. A fucking Disaster.

Look at the feminist controlled European countries and what is happening right now... I could go on and on and on.

Rant over.

On topic Amber Rose is a fine ass hoe. I'd hit it once or twice with no hesitation. :)

 Aside from that last sentence, 18-karat truth.

 Many psychologists consider Penis Envy to be more than just a catchphrase; it's what fuels many third-wave Feminists. They're jealous of us as men because we've been endowed by our Creator with the testosterone that allows us to create, procreate and annihilate when He calls on us to do those things. They want it and can't have it, which is why they laugh and cheer so loudly when one of us is mutilated sexually. (Search for Catherine Kieu on YouTube.)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 06, 2015, 07:56:14 AM
True. But this cumsucker wants to be judged. Her business model depends on it. She cares very greatly about being seen in a certain light, she would be sucking off hobo's for a shot of Robitussin if men did not see her as meat.

Maybe, but that's not really counter to what I said.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 06, 2015, 01:00:27 PM
Aside from that last sentence, 18-karat truth.

 Many psychologists consider Penis Envy to be more than just a catchphrase; it's what fuels many third-wave Feminists. They're jealous of us as men because we've been endowed by our Creator with the testosterone that allows us to create, procreate and annihilate when He calls on us to do those things. They want it and can't have it, which is why they laugh and cheer so loudly when one of us is mutilated sexually. (Search for Catherine Kieu on YouTube.)
That desire to be men. So you emasculate your own men.

Also, none of the feminists are talking about the ex-pornstar Cytherea's rape. It's ignored. And that should be talked about at these "walks".
And that is why i say that eventually, due to the fact that Amber is attractive and was/is a stripper, that the feminist will come out and attack her.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Papper on October 06, 2015, 01:26:13 PM

OH MY !!!!!!!!!!!

Her mouth is saying one thing but her naked fat ass up in the air tells another story
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 07, 2015, 01:11:33 PM
That desire to be men. So you emasculate your own men.

Also, none of the feminists are talking about the ex-pornstar Cytherea's rape. It's ignored. And that should be talked about at these "walks".
And that is why i say that eventually, due to the fact that Amber is attractive and was/is a stripper, that the feminist will come out and attack her.

Women of all different stripes identify themselves as feminists these days, so it's not really accurate to say that a)they think or act as a group and b)all (or even most) of their ideologies hinge on their feelings about other women's looks.


I had no idea what the cytherea thing you were talking about was, so i looked it up to see why you thought it should be a feminist cause. The first thing you notice about the story is that she has never spoken about or confirmed it. The only thing I could find was a youtube video thanking her fans for support with vague allusions to the assault. Most reputable media outlets don't identify rape victims by name and feminiist groups definitely wouldn't. None of the reputable outlets that covered that story identified her by name, they only identified her as a las vegas woman. Only certain blogs revealed her identity.

Which brings up another point. Half of the results for "cytherea rape" are blog posts asking why feminists are ignoring this story ( I just told you why.) I figured this was probably the case when you brought it up- that this was less about a rape being ignored and more about a political talking point. These blogs aren't just reporting on the story, they're juxtaposing the story against political boilerplate to further an agenda. If the bloggers writing about her rape think it deserves attention, why aren't they talking/writing about it more? Why is their coverage limited to a misguided attempt to shame "feminists" into action?
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 07, 2015, 03:19:54 PM
(http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/55b6a62ab7b3d.png)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2015, 04:21:51 PM
Women of all different stripes identify themselves as feminists these days, so it's not really accurate to say that a)they think or act as a group and b)all (or even most) of their ideologies hinge on their feelings about other women's looks.


I had no idea what the cytherea thing you were talking about was, so i looked it up to see why you thought it should be a feminist cause. The first thing you notice about the story is that she has never spoken about or confirmed it. The only thing I could find was a youtube video thanking her fans for support with vague allusions to the assault. Most reputable media outlets don't identify rape victims by name and feminiist groups definitely wouldn't. None of the reputable outlets that covered that story identified her by name, they only identified her as a las vegas woman. Only certain blogs revealed her identity.

Which brings up another point. Half of the results for "cytherea rape" are blog posts asking why feminists are ignoring this story ( I just told you why.) I figured this was probably the case when you brought it up- that this was less about a rape being ignored and more about a political talking point. These blogs aren't just reporting on the story, they're juxtaposing the story against political boilerplate to further an agenda. If the bloggers writing about her rape think it deserves attention, why aren't they talking/writing about it more? Why is their coverage limited to a misguided attempt to shame "feminists" into action?
Many identify as feminist as a fad or anti male. Masculinity is undermined.

As far as Cytherea, she acknowledges it, and she even said that she was going to do an inter-racial scene to say "eff them"  (the three rapists were black males---the oldest one was 18. They range in age from 18, 17, 16. They burglarize her home, while her kids and man were there) There is a case against the perps.

Blogs like Jezebel, which covers many of these issues, will not touch it. Even if mentioned to them.
Could it be that the case involves black males and a sex worker? And that many feminists are middle-upper middle class white women who spend time talking about "male patriarchy"?

Here is Mercedes Carrera talking about it



Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 07, 2015, 04:45:52 PM
http://downtrend.com/vsaxena/cytherea-raped-by-gang-of-teen-thugs

(http://3m12dd41gw8bqlgg62dfsvyl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Gang-Of-Teens-620x360.jpg)

The three teens pictured above – 18-year-old Qumaire Rainey, 17-year-old Edward London and 16-year-old Casey Franks – raped Las Vegas resident and pornstar ‘Cytherea’ on January 19, reports News 3 KSNV:

The attacks and robbery began about 7:30 p.m. when four male teens kicked in the door of the home in the southwest Las Vegas Valley, grabbed a male victim, forced him to the floor and pointed a gun to his head. As some of the men began ransacking the house, another suspect held a knife to the victim’s throat.

Three of the teen thugs eventually made their way upstairs, where they found and raped ‘Cytherea.’ The rape stopped when the fourth teen, the apparent leader, found them raping her and told them to stop:

“This isn’t why we’re here. If you wanna get your rocks off, we can call one our bitches or hoes.” He then helped the woman off the floor and apologized.

However, after he left, one of the other three returned to rape ‘Cythera’ yet again.

One of the victims [then] called 911. Neighbors told officers they heard the suspects yelling that they had to leave because the police were on the way. They fled in a waiting car.

The teens went on to perform yet another home invasion. This time they stole a car that happened to have a tracker on it. The police subsequently used the victim’s iPhone locator to find the car and arrest the thugs.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 07, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
Many identify as feminist as a fad or anti male. Masculinity is undermined.

A woman identifying as a feminist doesn't undermine masculinity. And whatever reasons they call themselves feminist doesn't mean they will stop just because they don't want to support a sexy girl. I think your idea of feminists is kind of narrow. There are plenty of black feminists. There are plenty of men who understand that it's not a battle to destroy the idea of masculinity.  Even though it makes anything they say easier to dismiss, it doesn't come down to trend-followers and manhaters.


Quote

As far as Cytherea, she acknowledges it, and she even said that she was going to do an inter-racial scene to say "eff them"  (the three rapists were black males---the oldest one was 18. They range in age from 18, 17, 16. They burglarize her home, while her kids and man were there, and did the act via gun point). There is a case against the perps.

Blogs like Jezebel, which covers many of these issues, will not touch it. Even if mentioned to them.
Could it be that the case involves black males and a sex worker? And that many feminists are middle-upper middle class white women who spend time talking about "male patriarchy"?

Here is Mercedes Carrera talking about it





Mercedes Carrera is not Cytherea. If Cytherea acknowledges it, it's not easy finding any info on her actually talking about it. Googling "cytherea talks about rape" or "cytherea confirms rape" don't turn up anything on the first page.  Other than the video I talked about in the previous post, I didn't see anything about her trying to get her story out there and being ignored. I can't imagine one of the Vegas news channels or Jezebel declined an interview with her.  Reputable media sources generally don't identify rape victims, especially if the victim herself is not being public about the crime.  Even if there is a concerted effort by the feminist press to bury this, there are plenty of anti-feminist blogs talking about this. Why aren't they doing interviews with her? Why aren't they talking about this other than to ask why feminists aren't talking about it?




Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
A woman identifying as a feminist doesn't undermine masculinity. And whatever reasons they call themselves feminist doesn't mean they will stop just because they don't want to support a sexy girl. I think your idea of feminists is kind of narrow. There are plenty of black feminists. There are plenty of men who understand that it's not a battle to destroy the idea of masculinity.  Even though it makes anything they say easier to dismiss, it doesn't come down to trend-followers and manhaters.

 
Mercedes Carrera is not Cytherea. If Cytherea acknowledges it, it's not easy finding any info on her actually talking about it. Googling "cytherea talks about rape" or "cytherea confirms rape" don't turn up anything on the first page.  Other than the video I talked about in the previous post, I didn't see anything about her trying to get her story out there and being ignored. I can't imagine one of the Vegas news channels or Jezebel declined an interview with her.  Reputable media sources generally don't identify rape victims, especially if the victim herself is not being public about the crime.  Even if there is a concerted effort by the feminist press to bury this, there are plenty of anti-feminist blogs talking about this. Why aren't they doing interviews with her? Why aren't they talking about this other than to ask why feminists aren't talking about it?





Maybe she can't talk about it because it's an ongoing criminal case and she is a state's witness.
But here is a snippet of an interview she did. Go to 8:05 to start off.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 07, 2015, 08:47:55 PM
Maybe she can't talk about it because it's an ongoing criminal case and she is a state's witness.
But here is a snippet of an interview she did. Go to 8:05 to start off.


When have you ever heard of a CRIME VICTIM not speaking to the media for fear of jeopardizing the case? Criminals won't speak for fear of jeopardizing the case. Civil litigants won't speak for fear of accidentally saying something incriminating. When crime victims don't speak to the media, it's usually to maintain privacy. I've never heard of a crime victim who wanted to publicize their case not speaking because it might hurt the case.

I have no idea where to see the whole version of the video snippet in your link, but the trend of commentators only speaking about this as part of some sort of anti-feminist propaganda continues. None of these commentators who are so concerned can figure out a way to cover the story beyond that one angle? 

And what should the feminists be doing or saying? Generally, stories that become causes are stories that evolve. If the guys were caught and almost certainly going to be prosecuted, what should the feminists be doing or saying? It's like when people ask "Where's Jesse and Al? "  when a white person is the victim of a crime.


Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 08, 2015, 04:15:26 AM
When have you ever heard of a CRIME VICTIM not speaking to the media for fear of jeopardizing the case? Criminals won't speak for fear of jeopardizing the case. Civil litigants won't speak for fear of accidentally saying something incriminating. When crime victims don't speak to the media, it's usually to maintain privacy. I've never heard of a crime victim who wanted to publicize their case not speaking because it might hurt the case.

I have no idea where to see the whole version of the video snippet in your link, but the trend of commentators only speaking about this as part of some sort of anti-feminist propaganda continues. None of these commentators who are so concerned can figure out a way to cover the story beyond that one angle? 

And what should the feminists be doing or saying? Generally, stories that become causes are stories that evolve. If the guys were caught and almost certainly going to be prosecuted, what should the feminists be doing or saying? It's like when people ask "Where's Jesse and Al? "  when a white person is the victim of a crime.



Actually it's quite common for victims to not want to speak out. Especially for the serious crimes--rapes, murders, attempted murders, serious assaults. This is often due to fear of retaliation. And many women don't want to retell the rape over and over again, reliving the traumatic event.

Watch the whole vid, Tommy Sotomayor had said that there is a link underneath the vid in the description box where you can go see more of the interview.

Also, popula feminist blog sites like Jezebel will cover and talk about cases like these not when they have "evolved". One begins to think that these sites don't talk about it, is because she is a sex worker, and not just some random middle class white woman. So, in effect, their silence condones the act, not condemning it. Especially when they are so vocal about rapes, that turned out to be false (The Rolling Stones interview, etc). And that is hypocritical. Especially when you have the whole reason for the Slutwalk.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: phreak on October 08, 2015, 04:56:16 AM
Actually it's quite common for victims to not want to speak out. Especially for the serious crimes--rapes, murders, attempted murders, serious assaults. This is often due to fear of retaliation. And many women don't want to retell the rape over and over again, reliving the traumatic event.

Watch the whole vid, Tommy Sotomayor had said that there is a link underneath the vid in the description box where you can go see more of the interview.

Also, popula feminist blog sites like Jezebel will cover and talk about cases like these not when they have "evolved". One begins to think that these sites don't talk about it, is because she is a sex worker, and not just some random middle class white woman. So, in effect, their silence condones the act, not condemning it. Especially when they are so vocal about rapes, that turned out to be false (The Rolling Stones interview, etc). And that is hypocritical. Especially when you have the whole reason for the Slutwalk.

<slow clap GIF>

This. The feminist community is slut shaming by omission, which is immensely hypocritical.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 08, 2015, 09:03:10 AM
Actually it's quite common for victims to not want to speak out. Especially for the serious crimes--rapes, murders, attempted murders, serious assaults. This is often due to fear of retaliation. And many women don't want to retell the rape over and over again, reliving the traumatic event.

YES, MAN! This is true! Which goes to what I have been saying about reputable media not identifying rape suspects. You said that Cytherea wasn't speaking to the media because it was an ongoing case and she was a witness, and that's why feminists should be publicizing this case. Now you are saying that it's possible that she's afraid of retaliation and reliving the pain of the event and THAT is why feminists should be publicizing this case. If she's afraid of retaliation and reliving the event, WHY WOULD ANY DECENT PERSON PUBLICIZE THIS CASE AGAINST HER WILL? How would that be helping her? It can't be both reasons.


Quote
Watch the whole vid, Tommy Sotomayor had said that there is a link underneath the vid in the description box where you can go see more of the interview.

The video says that there is a link in the description box, but the link takes you to a link of the Mercedes Carrera video. Obviously there's some video out there, but this just goes to show how hard it is to find any info from Cytherea herself about this case. If she wanted her side out there, she could have easily posted a vid up on her youtube channel. If she doesn't want her story out there, no reputable media and no decent person (feminist or otherwise) would make it political boilerplate without her consent.


Quote
Also, popula feminist blog sites like Jezebel will cover and talk about cases like these not when they have "evolved".

That's exactly how any media outlet works, covering stories that have multiple angles and evolving issues. Do you remember any of the details of the alleged UVA rape case? The author of the story alleged that the school mishandled the investigation and none of the supsects were arrested after more than 3 years.  In the Cytherea case, suspects were apprehended in a matter of weeks with some solid evidence. They are different types of stories. The whole purpose of the UVA Rolling Stone story (even though it turned out to be false) was that the alleged victim wasn't getting justice. How is that the case if suspects are arrested and likely going to be convicted?
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 08, 2015, 10:57:34 AM
(http://www1.theladbible.com/images/content/55b6a62ab7b3d.png)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Parker on October 08, 2015, 11:24:49 AM
YES, MAN! This is true! Which goes to what I have been saying about reputable media not identifying rape suspects. You said that Cytherea wasn't speaking to the media because it was an ongoing case and she was a witness, and that's why feminists should be publicizing this case. Now you are saying that it's possible that she's afraid of retaliation and reliving the pain of the event and THAT is why feminists should be publicizing this case. If she's afraid of retaliation and reliving the event, WHY WOULD ANY DECENT PERSON PUBLICIZE THIS CASE AGAINST HER WILL? How would that be helping her? It can't be both reasons.


The video says that there is a link in the description box, but the link takes you to a link of the Mercedes Carrera video. Obviously there's some video out there, but this just goes to show how hard it is to find any info from Cytherea herself about this case. If she wanted her side out there, she could have easily posted a vid up on her youtube channel. If she doesn't want her story out there, no reputable media and no decent person (feminist or otherwise) would make it political boilerplate without her consent.


That's exactly how any media outlet works, covering stories that have multiple angles and evolving issues. Do you remember any of the details of the alleged UVA rape case? The author of the story alleged that the school mishandled the investigation and none of the supsects were arrested after more than 3 years.  In the Cytherea case, suspects were apprehended in a matter of weeks with some solid evidence. They are different types of stories. The whole purpose of the UVA Rolling Stone story (even though it turned out to be false) was that the alleged victim wasn't getting justice. How is that the case if suspects are arrested and likely going to be convicted?
I never said that she wasn't. I said that "maybe she can't." I also said it was common for those who victims of violent crimes not to speak out on them, due to being a state's witness or for fear of retaliation. Also, There are certain things about cases that you don't want to get out into public, so that the defense can use.
Whatever her reasons for not going indepth, I have never flip flopped. Many of these feminist blogs will go crazy about rapes, male patriarchy, etc. Yet when it comes to this case, nothing...as was said, they seemingly condone it by their omission.

And so are you in a backdoor way trying to deny that this happened to her? Because that is what it seems like. Like someone saying "The top 10 Pro IFBB bodybuilders use Drugs", and another person saying, "Do you know that the top 10 Pro bodybuilders use drugs? Have you asked them? Do you know them personally?"
So, with the line of questioning and your line of thought, it seems that you are skeptical that this happened to Cytherea, unless she comes out and says, 3 men raped me" and then started to talk about it in detail.
You have a snippet of an interview, you have other female pornstars talking about it. And raising awareness of it. And you say that you can't find anything on it?
Huh, can't find anything on it?

[/youtube]


 Again, as you said that is the way the media is suppose to work. But, many times in this piss poor quality of reporting that is the mainstay of today's media, it doesn't happen like that. Media outlets want to the be first with the news, and that usually means not waiting for the correct info.
Also, maybe you need to take a look at many of the feminist blogs, like Jezebel. They recently had an article on about a recent rape, they go hard on it.
 http://jezebel.com/why-would-police-arrest-a-19-year-old-girl-for-reportin-1733296948 (http://jezebel.com/why-would-police-arrest-a-19-year-old-girl-for-reportin-1733296948)
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 08, 2015, 12:36:13 PM
If the bloggers writing about her rape think it deserves attention, why aren't they talking/writing about it more? Why is their coverage limited to a misguided attempt to shame "feminists" into action?

http://downtrend.com/vsaxena/cytherea-raped-by-gang-of-teen-thugs

(http://3m12dd41gw8bqlgg62dfsvyl.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Gang-Of-Teens-620x360.jpg)

The three teens pictured above – 18-year-old Qumaire Rainey, 17-year-old Edward London and 16-year-old Casey Franks – raped Las Vegas resident and pornstar ‘Cytherea’ on January 19, reports News 3 KSNV:

The attacks and robbery began about 7:30 p.m. when four male teens kicked in the door of the home in the southwest Las Vegas Valley, grabbed a male victim, forced him to the floor and pointed a gun to his head. As some of the men began ransacking the house, another suspect held a knife to the victim’s throat.

Three of the teen thugs eventually made their way upstairs, where they found and raped ‘Cytherea.’ The rape stopped when the fourth teen, the apparent leader, found them raping her and told them to stop:

“This isn’t why we’re here. If you wanna get your rocks off, we can call one our bitches or hoes.” He then helped the woman off the floor and apologized.

However, after he left, one of the other three returned to rape ‘Cythera’ yet again.

One of the victims [then] called 911. Neighbors told officers they heard the suspects yelling that they had to leave because the police were on the way. They fled in a waiting car.

The teens went on to perform yet another home invasion. This time they stole a car that happened to have a tracker on it. The police subsequently used the victim’s iPhone locator to find the car and arrest the thugs.
Title: Re: Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate
Post by: Al Doggity on October 08, 2015, 02:32:25 PM
I never said that she wasn't. I said that "maybe she can't." I also said it was common for those who victims of violent crimes not to speak out on them, due to being a state's witness or for fear of retaliation. Also, There are certain things about cases that you don't want to get out into public, so that the defense can use.
Whatever her reasons for not going indepth, I have never flip flopped.

The simple fact of the matter is that she HAS NOT gone in depth. She has not attempted to make her story widely known. Why do you keep trying to overlook the fact that reputable journalists don't reveal rape victims' identities and the details of their crimes without their cooperation or consent. You can twist it and turn it anyway you like and offer up 1000 different maybes that don't work together, but that's the simple truth. No reputable outlet identified her by name or profession.

Quote
And so are you in a backdoor way trying to deny that this happened to her? Because that is what it seems like. Like someone saying "The top 10 Pro IFBB bodybuilders use Drugs", and another person saying, "Do you know that the top 10 Pro bodybuilders use drugs? Have you asked them? Do you know them personally?"
So, with the line of questioning and your line of thought, it seems that you are skeptical that this happened to Cytherea, unless she comes out and says, 3 men raped me" and then started to talk about it in detail.
You have a snippet of an interview, you have other female pornstars talking about it. And raising awareness of it. And you say that you can't find anything on it?
Huh, can't find anything on it?

No. In my last post, I quite clearly said that if she doesn't speak about it, no decent person is going to speak about it for her or identify her against her will. YOU are the one making the argument that this should be getting publicized, while at the same time claiming that she might not be talking because she's afraid of reliving the trauma or out of retaliation. The simple fact of the matter is that there is no conspiracy here, no matter how political you want to make it. This is how decent people treat rape victims. They allow them to heal at their own pace and share their story as they see fit. Even in the video clip you just posted (which took you awhile to find,), she does her best not to say rape or confirm any of the details of the night. This just underscores how little she has gone public with this.



Quote
Again, as you said that is the way the media is suppose to work. But, many times in this piss poor quality of reporting that is the mainstay of today's media, it doesn't happen like that. Media outlets want to the be first with the news, and that usually means not waiting for the correct info.
Also, maybe you need to take a look at many of the feminist blogs, like Jezebel. They recently had an article on about a recent rape, they go hard on it.
 http://jezebel.com/why-would-police-arrest-a-19-year-old-girl-for-reportin-1733296948 (http://jezebel.com/why-would-police-arrest-a-19-year-old-girl-for-reportin-1733296948)

So, let's look at the details of the story you just linked to:

1)Father rapes underage sister of his girfriend
2)Police pressure underage girl into filing charges then arrest her
3)Police arrest sister for obstruction of justice
4)Father gains custody of the son, despite a history of being accused of crimes ranging from murder to child molestation
5)Months after father gets custody, son is found dead in father's home


You really don't see how this is the type of story I described earlier?  ???  This fits everything I said in my last post.