Amber Rose's Slutwalk Sparks Debate

[CalvinH]

So where are the pics of sluts walking

[Irongrip400]

I was actually going to reference this clip in my post. Killing Them Softly was one of the funniest stand up acts I've ever seen.

[Al Doggity]

This idea of "judging" and it being a globally bad/demeaning/unfair thing seems to be unique to the "female" psyche.

Call a spade a spade, if it looks like a duck/quacks like a duck etc.

It's the double standard that a lot of women who think like this object to. Why shouldn't women enjoy sex? Why shouldn't women be able to have fully formed sexual identities without being considered some sort of moral failing? Why do so many people (men and women alike) buy into the idea that women have to separate any sort of sexual desire/activity from any other aspect of their life?

[andreisdaman]

It's the double standard that a lot of women who think like this object to. Why shouldn't women enjoy sex? Why shouldn't women be able to have fully formed sexual identities without being considered some sort of moral failing? Why do so many people (men and women alike) buy into the idea that women have to separate any sort of sexual desire/activity from any other aspect of their life?

agreed...same thing I said

[phreak]

It's the double standard that a lot of women who think like this object to. Why shouldn't women enjoy sex? Why shouldn't women be able to have fully formed sexual identities without being considered some sort of moral failing? Why do so many people (men and women alike) buy into the idea that women have to separate any sort of sexual desire/activity from any other aspect of their life?

I think most men are fine with women enjoying sex. But what about the other double standard? A man who wakes up next to a pig will sneak out and lie to his friends. A woman who wakes up next to an ugly guy can cry 'rape' and be taken somewhat seriously.

[andreisdaman]

I think most men are fine with women enjoying sex. But what about the other double standard? A man who wakes up next to a pig will sneak out and lie to his friends. A woman who wakes up next to an ugly guy can cry 'rape' and be taken somewhat seriously.

women don't usually cry rape on ugly guys..... ...its the guys they actually WANT and can't have that they accuse of rape out of spite

[Hulkotron]

So where are the pics of sluts walking

x2 thread sucks

[Melkor]

"Slutwalk"  . Are the mentally stable, i.e. those who make rational, logical decisions, in the minority nowadays? What would the male equivalent of a slutwalk be?

Clearly the decision for a woman to partake in such an event is an emotional one. But I can't help but think that after sleeping on it for a couple of nights even the most ardent feminist, attention seeking, egomaniacal woman would reconsider her involvement in this deranged spectacle...

[Melkor]

women don't usually cry rape on ugly guys..... ...its the guys they actually WANT and can't have that they accuse of rape out of spite

Not true. It's usually when a girl has sex with a guy that she later regrets (either because she thought he was ugly or an asshole etc.) that the rape accusation is thrown about. This is the case for many university "campus" sexual assaults.

[Parker]

It's the double standard that a lot of women who think like this object to. Why shouldn't women enjoy sex? Why shouldn't women be able to have fully formed sexual identities without being considered some sort of moral failing? Why do so many people (men and women alike) buy into the idea that women have to separate any sort of sexual desire/activity from any other aspect of their life?

No one said that a woman should not enjoy sex. This is not about that. Moderation is the key to all. Sex is enjoyable, but the reason for sex is not enjoyment, one can say that is a byproduct so that you'd want to have sex and reproduce.
This about being judged negatively about our (or rather women's) actions. Everybody judges.
Fact is Amber Rose is/was a stripper, her friend Black Chyna is a stripper. They look good. Men get after them for one thing, and that is what they sell or are about. And they don't want to be judged for that. But, how did they judge the the men who they stripped for? That they only saw them for $$$? We all judge.

There is no real double standard. Women give consent that men need. Women have that power. Two things run this world, money and women. We'd do anything for both. So, what happens when anybody makes themselves available? They don't get respected. They don't get appreciated. We all want what is not available to us. And so, if women make themselves available to men with no requirements, the quality of men goes down. And since women want the attention, and men want women, men must accept what women do, in order to get "that". So the quality of women goes down as well.

Also, when women collectively allow themselves to be available sexually, they become more of a commodity. You can easily get it. Women choose to remove the power and absolve themselves of the responsibility that comes with it. And there are consequences.
Like Corey Holcolm had said , "No sex for you tonight!! No, no sex FROM you tonight!"

[Al Doggity]

I think most men are fine with women enjoying sex. But what about the other double standard? A man who wakes up next to a pig will sneak out and lie to his friends. A woman who wakes up next to an ugly guy can cry 'rape' and be taken somewhat seriously.

On the last page, you said that a woman who  dresses provocatively should take some responsibility if she's raped. (At least, that's what I got out of it, maybe you meant something different). The whole idea that sexually attractive women are evil vixens and men can't control themselves if their skirts are too short is wrong to me.  Society, as a whole, is not fine with women enjoying sex. Men, as individuals, want their partner to be rocked when we fuck ém, but every other bitch who has ever had sex is a slut. Every girl who posts a selfie on instagram is a thot.  

[Al Doggity]

No one said that a woman should not enjoy sex. This is not about that. Moderation is the key to all. Sex is enjoyable, but the reason for sex is not enjoyment, one can say that is a byproduct so that you'd want to have sex and reproduce. There is no real double standard. Women give consent that men need. Women have that power. Two things run this world, money and women. We'd do anything for both. So, what happens when anybody makes themselves available? They don't get respected. They don't get appreciated. We all want what is not available to us. And so, if women make themselves available to men with no requirements, the quality of men goes down. And since women want the attention, and men want women, men must accept what women do, in order to get "that". So the quality of women goes down as well.
Also, when women collectively allow themselves to be available sexually, they become more of a commodity. You can easily get it. Women choose to remove the power and absolve themselves of the responsibility that comes with it. And there are consequences.
Like Corey Holcolm had said , "No sex for you tonight!! No, no sex FROM you tonight!"

It's not just about women who make themselves sexually available to men. It's about women having any sort of sexual identity at all. I've seen so many fitness guys on instagram talking about how women who post up selfies are sluts and bottom of the barrel bitches, even though they are posting literally the same type of pics.

[Parker]

It's not just about women who make themselves sexually available to men. It's about women having any sort of sexual identity at all. I've seen so many fitness guys on instagram talking about how women who post up selfies are sluts and bottom of the barrel bitches, even though they are posting literally the same type of pics.

How did you ge that? You are taking on an extreme. Men and women live in two different worlds. The men you mention who talk like that are yes, hypocrites, but one could say that the men and women are both one in the same, hor d'oeuvres of attention.
And you know what the sad thing is? Many same women that they criticize will sleep with them, and the men will deny said criticism (because that is what we men do, deny and lie), because of the low self esteem and the supposed belief that said men are telling the truth, and the want to be desired and the attention. Think about that.
There are no easy answers.

[visualizeperfection]

x2 thread sucks

Lets ungay this thread.

[Al Doggity]

How did you ge that? You are taking on an extreme. Men and women live in two different worlds. The men you mention who talk like that are yes, hypocrites, but one could say that the men and women are both one in the same, hor d'oeuvres of attention.
And you know what the sad thing is? These same women that they criticize will sleep with them, because of the low self esteem and the want to be desired and the attention. Think about that.

How am I taking on an extreme?   The double standard between how sexually active men and women are viewed is pretty clear. There is not an expectation of moderation for men. There is no character value attached to men's clothing.  If a guy is unmarried but has children, there's no expectation that he should no longer have a sex life, or even have a reserved sex life.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

They should walk through the Muslim parts of London like that...

[Papper]

Exactly. Many of these women (and people who profess victimhood) want to be Victor and victim all in the same time. You want to be protected and use the system against men, yet you want equality to men. Well, that means that the "protection" ends. Or men get the same "protection". This is somewhat of a backdoor acknowledgment of wanting equality only when you want it. Equality is unconditional.

Sure you can do your part in being as fair/equal but that will not change the fact that a large number of women just "want" to be victims of all sorts of things. The right way to go about it should start with raising your daughter best as you can, when she is out walking the street in skimpy clothes and viewing herself as a poor victim of sexism it is basically too late.

[SF1900]

There is a facebook page called "Women against feminism."

They posted this picture:



1915: Old school/real feminists who truly desired change. Want equal rights for women.

2015: New school/fake feminists. Man haters. Don't want men to be equal; want men to be inferior. Hate equality.

[The_Punisher]

So, what do you all think? Does it help or hurt women? Since many on here may practice "body shaming", should said women also be shamed for being "promiscuous"? 
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/04/living/amber-rose-slutwalk-feat/index.html

Amber Rose is every Striper's wildest dream......come on, I remember seeing Lola and Blac Chyna at sinsationals working the poles , they all been around the Block In PG's strip joints a few years ago and they're living the dream now.....Amber is just getting free publicity for her "new reality show" with her home Biatch Blac Chyna. it will work just perfectly.

[Nails]

she is more of a whore then a slut but ok

[Parker]

How am I taking on an extreme?   The double standard between how sexually active men and women are viewed is pretty clear. There is not an expectation of moderation for men. There is no character value attached to men's clothing.  If a guy is unmarried but has children, there's no expectation that he should no longer have a sex life, or even have a reserved sex life.

There are legitimately two standards as Women give consent. Men need opportunity. You understand that right? It is easier for a woman to get or have sex than a man. You cannot apply the same standard when men and women are different. It cannot work. Now, I as I said before moderation is the key. Excess in any direction is wrong. Just look at bodybuilding for example. It has gotten to the point where excess has created a stagnation in quality.

And that is what has happened to men and women. The bigger picture in all of this Women are men's quality control. And as such women are held to a HIGHER standard than men. Because they have the POWER in this regard.
And that is what it boils down to. Power and control. When you have power there comes the responsibility with that.
If a man is unmarried and has kids, there used to be a greater expectation that he takes care of them. Today, due to women not wanting to use their responsibility of keeping said men in check, they allow themselves to be available to said man. Again, women have the power to say yes or no. So who is the man having sex with?
The constant is the woman. Less women available means less sex for men, which means women can require men to take care of the kids, get a job, etc.

As far as no character value attached to men's clothes. Yes there is. Remember the saying "the clothes make the man"? Think about it.

Ask yourself this, if someone gave you free ____ (insert name of goods) that you liked, would you take them? The answer would probably be "yes". Now, if you constantly were given those free goods, it would lose it specialness, correct? There is no desire to want something as much because you don't have to work for it, and it loses its power to hold your attention. In your eyes it has lost it's value. And you have lost something yourself as well.

That is the bigger picture.
Quality. Power. Control.

[Al Doggity]

So, once again, how am I taking on an extreme? You literally just posted that it is women's responsibility to make sure men control behave themselves, ignoring that neither sex makes decisions by committee. What extreme am I taking on?  You are using extreme examples, but the points I am making are evident no matter what part of the scale you land on.

[Azure]

There are legitimately two standards as Women give consent. Men need opportunity. You understand that right? It is easier for a woman to get or have sex than a man. You cannot apply the same standard when men and women are different. It cannot work. Now, I as I said before moderation is the key. Excess in any direction is wrong. Just look at bodybuilding for example. It has gotten to the point where excess has created a stagnation in quality.

And that is what has happened to men and women. The bigger picture in all of this Women are men's quality control. And as such women are held to a HIGHER standard than men. Because they have the POWER in this regard.
And that is what it boils down to. Power and control. When you have power there comes the responsibility with that.
If a man is unmarried and has kids, there used to be a greater expectation that he takes care of them. Today, due to women not wanting to use their responsibility of keeping said men in check, they allow themselves to be available to said man. Again, women have the power to say yes or no. So who is the man having sex with?
The constant is the woman. Less women available means less sex for men, which means women can require men to take care of the kids, get a job, etc.

Ask yourself this, if someone gave you free ____ (insert name of goods) that you liked, would you take them? The answer would probably be "yes". Now, if you constantly were those free goods, it would lose it specialness, correct? There is no desire to want something as much because you don't have to work for it, and it loses its power to hold your attention. In your eyes it has lost it's value. And you have lost something yourself as well.

That is the bigger picture.
Quality. Power. Control.

Good post as usual

It's definitely about quality power and control.

men tend to date the same type of woman until they actually learn the lesson. You don't partner with a woman like Amber Rose or black China. The men who do quickly tire of them

Interestingly enough in my experience having your own life and your own ability to say no works in your favor. I remember when it first started I was completely different from the ex wife and all the exes. For one thing I wasn't willing to give up my own life and interests. Plus I think I was more interesting than someone who just got wrapped up in the man.

I think men don't get enough credit for actually having brains outside of penises. I actually have proof that men like it when you treat them like human beings!

these women are stupid if they think this is the way to go about things

[Skorp1o]

I actually joined the slut walk group on facebook when I had an account thinking it was some sort of pan-sexual group that throws sex parties around the world...with sluts being an abundant ingredient.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm overly optimistic in this world.

[Skeletor]