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Getbig Female Info Boards => Figure, Bikini and Fitness Info and Discussions => Topic started by: NPCOK on March 08, 2006, 04:38:59 AM
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What happened to the 20% less muscularity. Jen Hendershott was very hard last year when she won her titles and she looked to have toned in down this year at the Arnold. Adela was jacked in comparison and she won....Davana was JACKED at the Olympia and won even though she looked more like Joanna Thomas than a figure competitor. The men are also supposed to meet this new criteria for asthetics as well and we have seen no change. When you pick a winner you are setting a standard..you are telling all of the other athletes: this is what we want you to look like..this is what we consider perfect. Why release judging criteria if you are not going to follow it? Women's bodybuilding, and figure/fitness will soon meet in the middle as the bb's are toning it down and the figure girls are jacking it up!
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one more thing....Mary Lado vs. Monica Brant??? What did Monica do wrong....who did she piss off and why isn't she given her dues? No disrespect to Mary, but I think she has a very average physique..I have seen random girls in bikini's on the beach with more impressive body's...just my opinion. I guess she is in with the right people ???
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What happened to the 20% less muscularity. Jen Hendershott was very hard last year when she won her titles and she looked to have toned in down this year at the Arnold. Adela was jacked in comparison and she won..
I could not agree more and thought this same thing. Jen was toned down, as was Tracy Greenwood, and Julie Palmer. Acutally all the girls were toned down except Adela??? I also saw the score sheets and Adela won the 2 minute routine?? I think Adela is a great competitor and has always had a phenomenal physique, but everyone knows Jen Hendershott should win any routine round any time, especially with girls like Kelly and Stacy Hylton no longer competing. It appears JMP Management is back in effect.
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"It appears JMP Management is back in effect."
Uhmmm, when have they not been? I think at the Arnold's and the Pittsburg's they just tend to be more blatant.
NPCOK I could not agree with you more; I would have reversed the order of 1st and 2nd place. I too have wondered about why Mary has continued to place over IMO better competitors. Truthfully, I had no expectation Monica B. would win, no matter how much better she is. Manion will not ever let that happen. I also feel that Monica G. should have switched places with Christine P.. Maybe Manion doesn't like the name Monica or something. ::)
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thank goodness someone finally said something -
i love adela and all - but COME ON HERE....
there is no consistency present whatsoever in the judging / placing -
JEN wins the 45 second - but not the night routine ! ?? ???
AND FIGURE - you can NEVER understand what they are looking
for - BUT Mary looks pretty and all - but like a pencil - straight
up and down - no shape - no symmetry from top to bottom - looks
like a Fitness America WINNER, not IFBB (nothing against Mary - just
not an amazing Figure look ) ??? :-\
HELP - what the heck are you looking for ??????? ??? ::) ??? ::)
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It really is pathetic that you are given spots because of being with JMP. Nothing again Adela or Mary it's not their fault they were given the nod, but seriously do you have to appear in somebody's "fitness competitor comic book (project diva) to win a show"...how fucking weird is that shit anyways. They talk about the sport having a bad rep..yet the girls who pose for porn (shemuscle) or appear in a weird ass comic book series are given the nod. No wonder there are no big time sponsors in the sport!
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I agree with most of the posts and I really think they should've given 1st to Monica...unfortunately she does things the IFBB doesn't like (like working with other organizations) and I think they punish her for it. Figure and Fitness girls aren't getting rich and I think it is horrible they can't promote themselves outside the IFBB without repurcussions. With that being said, maybe you were all at the show too but I thought Adela'a night routine was great. Jen's was too but I think Adela had more skills and Jen's had more dancing. Both girls had the cleanest routines out of the mix-I think it could've gone either way. Also, I didn't see the short routine so I can't compare but Adela's routine really wowed me. As far as why Mary is moving ahead to be the nexy Jenny Lynn...I don't know-I don't see the lines with her as I do with some other girls. She looks good and is a pretty girl but I am lost as to what the judge want (and why Monica will never have "it").
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As far as Adela winning the 2 min round over Jen Hendershott... I would have thought this was crap too - if I was not there. Adela's routine was the best I have ever seen it. Her flexibility seems to have improved significantly, and her routine was far neater and polished than usual. Combining this with the fact that her routines have always been packed with tons of strength moves, made for an outstanding routine.
Jen's routines cannot be anything less than wonderful, but this was not her best showing. A great routine yes - but Adela's was actually comparable in this particular show.
Figure is wildly subjective that I don't really get into the judging, but like many others I would love to see Monica win a show.
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Also - sorry to repost - was I the only one at the show who noticed one of the routines was totally awful? A whole pile of sloppy moves, her 'high' kicks barely reached her waist - I repeat her waist - and the whole thing was pretty much a mess.
A few people around me were laughing :-\
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Yeah, I am with you there...my friend kept saying "she is a pro???" I can do that better, why am I not Pro. I actually thought most of the routines were lacking...but I am just a Figure girl so it hard for me to put down any of those Fitness girls.
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but everyone knows Jen Hendershott should win any routine round any time, especially with girls like Kelly and Stacy Hylton no longer competing. It appears JMP Management is back in effect.
Just out of curiosity, did you see the night show?
thank goodness someone finally said something -
i love adela and all - but COME ON HERE....
there is no consistency present whatsoever in the judging / placing -
JEN wins the 45 second - but not the night routine ! ?? ???
They are 2 different routines. Perhaps Jen's 45 sec routine was best and Adela's 2 min routine was best.
. With that being said, maybe you were all at the show too but I thought Adela'a night routine was great. Jen's was too but I think Adela had more skills and Jen's had more dancing. Both girls had the cleanest routines out of the mix-I think it could've gone either way. Also, I didn't see the short routine so I can't compare but Adela's routine really wowed me.
Good post
As far as Adela winning the 2 min round over Jen Hendershott... I would have thought this was crap too - if I was not there. Adela's routine was the best I have ever seen it. Her flexibility seems to have improved significantly, and her routine was far neater and polished than usual. Combining this with the fact that her routines have always been packed with tons of strength moves, made for an outstanding routine.
Jen's routines cannot be anything less than wonderful, but this was not her best showing. A great routine yes - but Adela's was actually comparable in this particular show.
Good post.
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Yeah, I am with you there...my friend kept saying "she is a pro???" I can do that better, why am I not Pro. I actually thought most of the routines were lacking...but I am just a Figure girl so it hard for me to put down any of those Fitness girls.
Yeah.
I compete in fitness at the IFBB amatuer world level and I can tell you it was bad. I talked to alot of other fitness girls there and they were totally astounded by it too. Not only was the routine done very badly - but she did not even have any hard moves it in. With all the great fitness competitors out there I have no idea how she got an invite.
Btw Jennifer- I saw you at the Pride booth and was waiting to introduce myself to you, but some guy was chatting away and I did not want to interrupt. You looked nice :)
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Yeah.
I compete in fitness at the IFBB amatuer world level
pics ?? :P
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Just out of curiosity, did you see the night show?
Saw a video from a friend who snuck a camera in. Adela did do a great routine, but the problem is, on the routine scoring, is you, and the judges say that Hendershott's routine was not as good as some of the others she has done. Well, it was still the best that night and should have been scored that way.
Did you see the score sheets? They tied Kim Klein with Hendershott for 2nd and Kim has done that exact same routine two or three times in a row now?? What is up with that?
I also thought Tracy Greenwood did awesome, as she is another girl that has an awesome physique but has trouble in the routine rounds. She gets better every show, so why did she not get scored high as Adela did?
These girls all work so hard and I think they should just be fairly scored on ALL rounds and that did not happen here with several of the girls.
One of the new girls Allison Daughtery, had a great physique, and a decent routine, especially for a newbie and was scored last place of all the girls??? Come on, I saw 6 or 7 other competitors that she should have been placed ahead of.
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Yeah.
I compete in fitness at the IFBB amatuer world level and I can tell you it was bad. I talked to alot of other fitness girls there and they were totally astounded by it too. Not only was the routine done very badly - but she did not even have any hard moves it in. With all the great fitness competitors out there I have no idea how she got an invite.
Btw Jennifer- I saw you at the Pride booth and was waiting to introduce myself to you, but some guy was chatting away and I did not want to interrupt. You looked nice :)
I wish you would've said hi! I felt a little uncomfortable in our outfits (not sure which day you went) but in the sports bra I didn't feel lean enough to be front of thousands! Espcially next to the Sans girls...not that they have better bodies, just different "assets."
Were you working the Arnold or just having fun? When are your next shows? Oh, and what does IFAA amatuer world level mean?
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IFBB amateur worlds is the equivalent of NPC nationals in the US, correct?
As for the judging, I wish it were a sign of what the judges are looking for and moving towards - a bit more separation between the fitness and figure physiques. Fitness being harder and figure a little softer and natural looking. But I doubt this was the case, and we'll be left to not knowing again and just playing it by ear. Not that it matters much because the NPC guidelines are totally different! *sigh*
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IFBB amatuer world level is similar to the US national level yes - winners get pro status like your nationals. Difference is it is open to all countries around the world [you have to win/place high in your nation to qualify] and it is heavily drug tested...for ephedra and excessive caffeine also.
Jennifer - You looked fine...in ways better. Practically every girl has great big implants, you looked nice and athletic.
Allissa -I meant to pm you... Huge congrats on your placing at nationals. Saw you on the PPV and you looked great. I was very impressed by the commentators comments on you. Next year = pro card for you :)
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Valerie Waugaman in 8th place?
Are you kidding me??
What. A. Joke.
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Valerie Waugaman in 8th place?
Are you kidding me??
What. A. Joke.
Not a joke - where she belonged at this show. I've praised Val since the first time I saw her at NPC JR USAs. She was way off at this show.
LIFT
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If the judges want harder (i.e. adela) then they need to award all the harder type of bodies in that round of judging.
I don't think any of the athletes care HOW (meaning hard or soft) it is judged as long as it is consistent. When the two newest girls on stage both finish dead last by over 70 points from 11th place (they were 12-13), yet they had different bodies, one being very lean and one softer, then it has to make you wonder what is going on.
Look at the score sheets, 60 points or so between 3rd and 4th. Regardless of who placed where is there really THAT much difference between those girls? Same for the bottom 2.
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especially with girls like Kelly and Stacy Hylton no longer competing.
Stop the presses.
Stacy Hylton is no longer competing in the IFBB? Since when, and WHY?
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It really is pathetic that you are given spots because of being with JMP. Nothing again Adela or Mary it's not their fault they were given the nod, but seriously do you have to appear in somebody's "fitness competitor comic book (project diva) to win a show"...how fucking weird is that shit anyways. They talk about the sport having a bad rep..yet the girls who pose for porn (shemuscle) or appear in a weird ass comic book series are given the nod. No wonder there are no big time sponsors in the sport!
Hold on, brother. Don't diss the comic - that's cool stuff and is a lot more 'mainstream' (which a high percentage of people in this business are so ga-ga over becoming) than anything you'll find in Flex Magazine.
With respect to Shemuscle, hey, it's not everyone's flavor, but I liked its edginess. I was a member about a year ago and felt I got good value for my money and I didn't see anything pornographic about it. Maybe that's changed, but it had a nice NC-17 rating during the time I was a member.
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Folks, the primary reason for the judging in fitness not being legitimate is that the same set of people typically 'judge' both the physique rounds and fitness routine rounds.
The secondary reason is that the 45-second round - despite all their best efforts to the contrary - sets up as nothing more than a 'who-do-we-want-to-place-higher-today' round.
I hear lots of moaning and groaning about the scoring of the two-minute routines, but even the most critical observers have to admit that they contain a *lot* for the 'judges' to absorb, evaluate, and compare to other performers. I'm not saying that they (judges) should not be held to a high standard of excellence in performing their task, but they should receive some leeway on this particular round.
As for you conspiracy theorists out there, the best solution is to tell all your non-JMP friends not to enter the International or Pittsburgh Pro events anymore. There - problem solved. I'd love to hear the placement arguments after a show like that. ;)
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Anyone find it odd that Savell doesn't hardly place in the top 10 at Team U, signs on as a JM girl, then wins a show, places fairly at the O and then gets third at the arnold?
I pity these girls. Most just love standing on stage. They ruin their bodies half the time for nothing. The sooner they realize there is no money in this crap the better off they are.
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Anyone find it odd that Savell doesn't hardly place in the top 10 at Team U, signs on as a JM girl, then wins a show, places fairly at the O and then gets third at the arnold?
I'm not saying that this assumption is right or wrong, but couldn't it be that she made improvements to her physique? Also, she got 7th at Team U...not too bad and if you compare the physique she brought to both shows, she is definitely harder and tighter at the Arnold (and her color is much different.)
team U... http://www.hardfitness.com/competitions/teamu2005/profigure/amandasavell/twopiece/images/DSC_0586.jpg
arnold... http://www.hardfitness.com/competitions/arnold2006/profigure/amandasavell/twopiece/images/DSC_1944.jpg
I pity these girls. Most just love standing on stage. They ruin their bodies half the time for nothing. The sooner they realize there is no money in this crap the better off they are.
Isn't this a contradiction...if these woman love standing on stage, then the money isn't the issue for them. Obviously it is nice to be rewarded for hard work but I don't understand why you "pity them," they made the choice to be up there and they like what they are doing. How many times has Monica been shafted in the past years and she still gets on stage...she does it for herself and because, and I quote "the fans make it worth it."
Is it somewhat annoying to think that politics plays a major role in this "industry?" Of course...but I think most competitors realize this early on and deal with it (not dwell on it). I do this because I want to make myself better and do something 99% of the population can't do-I don't do it for the money (ha ha ha-I pay to do it) I do it because, like you said-I love being on stage...I love pushing myself to be better...I love meeting others that feel as I do. Save your pity for those who don't choose to put themselves in situations-as for me and my fellow competitors we don't want it.
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Anyone find it odd that Savell doesn't hardly place in the top 10 at Team U, signs on as a JM girl, then wins a show, places fairly at the O and then gets third at the arnold?
I pity these girls. Most just love standing on stage. They ruin their bodies half the time for nothing. The sooner they realize there is no money in this crap the better off they are.
Whoa whoa there, tiger.
I don't care who she's 'with' - she's hot and has a darn great physique.
Does she or does she not look like someone you'd buy sports supplements from?
I don't know (or care) what she 'puts in her body', but she looks fantastic and it seems to have worked really well for her.
I've never met her, but she gets a thumbs-up in my book.
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Save your pity for those who don't choose to put themselves in situations-as for me and my fellow competitors we don't want it.
I don't know you, but I LIKE YOU!
In addition to your attitude, I'm down with any woman who refers to herself as "The Beast". :D
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I will agree with one thing YouAreKidding said. The pity thing, but only for some girls. Having dated a fitness model for 2 years, there is a lot of expense that goes into a show. I seriously doubt most of these athletes could do this without some source of outside income. It is my personal opinion that a lot of NPC athletes feel there will be money in this "sport" once they turn pro. That just isn't true. Very few women in this sport have been successful from a money standpoint. Most that have been, didn't compete that much or win the events.
The extreme nature of the sport takes its toll on a person's body. I know a lot of people in this industry who are in there mid 30's and look mid 40's. A lot of people will just listen to a "guru" diet person who ends up screwing them up. They trust people who turn around and stab them in the back.
Another thing that drives me nuts are "photographers". Just because you own a camera doesn't make you a photographer. At nationals I had a very attractive woman working my booth. She hadn't been exposed to our industry. I didn't mark my booth, I just had random stuff sitting on the table. Few know what I look like, so I sat back the whole weekend and watched in awe. Guys coming up claiming how they would be able to make this girl the next big thing. She walked away that weekend with over 30 business cards. After looking through them, 2 of them were ones that were actual legit people. I could go on and on, but I'm really hungry and need to eat :).
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Ya, if Jenny H was a Manion girl, she would of won.... Jenny H kicked ass and there was no question about it. How can they justify that her 2 min. routine tied w/ Kim's same routine she did at the Olympia. If anything they should of taken away points from Kim for not being creative enough to think of a new routine:)
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Ya, if Jenny H was a Manion girl, she would of won....
Do you think she was temporarily a Manion girl last year for the Arnold AND the O?
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I don't know you, but I LIKE YOU!
In addition to your attitude, I'm down with any woman who refers to herself as "The Beast". :D
Thank you very much!
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Hey Jennifer good attitude, you have to do it for yourself. Life isn't always fair so you can't expect everything else to be either and I think you get that.
In case you haven't seen it I've got a few pix of you from the after party on our expo/party report:
http://www.genexmagazine.com/genex/buzz/06/arnold.htm
;)
gene
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Hold on, brother. Don't diss the comic - that's cool stuff and is a lot more 'mainstream' (which a high percentage of people in this business are so ga-ga over becoming) than anything you'll find in Flex Magazine.
With respect to Shemuscle, hey, it's not everyone's flavor, but I liked its edginess. I was a member about a year ago and felt I got good value for my money and I didn't see anything pornographic about it. Maybe that's changed, but it had a nice NC-17 rating during the time I was a member.
They have acutal (porn stars) on there now...where is says.."amatuer fitness" or "pro figure" or whatever...there are "porn stars" and girls "rebecca rush etc.." licking each other and female bodybuilders fingering thereselves...I don't know what it used to be, but it's porn now.
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Hey Jennifer good attitude, you have to do it for yourself. Life isn't always fair so you can't expect everything else to be either and I think you get that.
In case you haven't seen it I've got a few pix of you from the after party on our expo/party report:
http://www.genexmagazine.com/genex/buzz/06/arnold.htm
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gene
I didn't get it last year but I gave myself quite a few months to reflect and realize life won't always go my way...and I have to do the things that make me happy and feel good about myself. Thanks for the kind words.
I wish I would've had the chance to meet you at the Arnold...oh and I am glad to see that picture is more tame then I remember the night being :-\
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I wish I would've had the chance to meet you at the Arnold...oh and I am glad to see that picture is more tame then I remember the night being :-\
LOL.....I'm gonna have to ask about this......
;D
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Also - sorry to repost - was I the only one at the show who noticed one of the routines was totally awful? A whole pile of sloppy moves, her 'high' kicks barely reached her waist - I repeat her waist - and the whole thing was pretty much a mess.
A few people around me were laughing :-\
Please at least give a hint as to which competitor you are speaking of? I saw the routines on a video, and a small screen, and saw a few bad ones, but did not notice this majorly pathetic one?? Just a hint?
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IFBB amatuer world level is similar to the US national level yes - winners get pro status like your nationals. Difference is it is open to all countries around the world [you have to win/place high in your nation to qualify] and it is heavily drug tested...for ephedra and excessive caffeine also.
Jennifer - You looked fine...in ways better. Practically every girl has great big implants, you looked nice and athletic.
Allissa -I meant to pm you... Huge congrats on your placing at nationals. Saw you on the PPV and you looked great. I was very impressed by the commentators comments on you. Next year = pro card for you :)
Thanks CQ! I didn't hear what they said, but I'm glad it was good. Hopefully this will be my year.
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Please at least give a hint as to which competitor you are speaking of? I saw the routines on a video, and a small screen, and saw a few bad ones, but did not notice this majorly pathetic one?? Just a hint?
She was a 'newbie'.If you get the DVD later you will definitely be able to pick her out :-\
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My intention with this thread was not to talk down on any of the girls that are placed well or to be a conspiracy thoerist. I train competitors and it is hard to bring them into a show when you do not know what the judges are looking for...there is no "stardard" it changes from one show to the next. When you give a woman first place you are saying "this is what you need to look like to win". If that is always a different look altogether it's very hard to meet. When you say tone down muscularity 20% and then award a girl who is "jacked" then the competitors don't know which was to go. If you want the girl more muscular and hard thats fine if you want them a little softer and more "feminine" thats fine. Its just hard to train and bring in competitors when you don't know how they are supposed to look. My other comments about the comics and porn sites come from the fact that I work with these girls, I am married to one of these girls "fitness competitor"....all time you hear people talking about fintess/figure girls they are referred to as: industry whores, fitness sluts etc.... The reason being you have pro "athletes" licking each other topless all over the web. Sexy is one thing pornographic is another...I guess its a fine line but sometimes clearly crossed. Fitness/Figure girls are some of the hardest working athletes I have ever worked with. It's sad they are generally given a bad image. Most of them are not coke whores who burn bodies in the trunk of their cars...yet the ones in the industry that do partake in this stuff give all the girls a bad image. You wonder why there is zero money in the sport...hey random large corporation with an image to uphold...would you like to sponsor this fitness competitor/porn star...she will really boost the image of your company:) As far as the comic book thing...no harm there really I just thought it was kind of weird. You don't see the top "stars" in other "sports" doing things like that. If some people have an obsession with super hero's then thats thing...not my particular brand of protein shake but hey...whatever
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I think it is a valid point to make that the standard for figure does seem to be different according to the show and according to the girls who show up. I think that's the nature of the beast, unfortunately, since there isn't a specific rubric of judging criteria with set percentage ranges given to muscularity, conditioning (those two are different and yet get mixed up by some fans and competitors), symmetry, suits, poise, and beauty (I hate to admit it, but figure is somewhat of a glorified, muscular beauty contest...there's just no getting around that; we are judged on our looks from head to toe).
I also think it's a valid point to make that all of us work hard. I don't know that one girl works harder than another. There are too many factors to take into account in order to quantify such an intangible statement. Maybe the work is done differently, but unless a person steps into the competitor's shoes on an hour-by-hour and a day-by-day basis, one cannot say who works harder than the next. Effort simply isn't a factor in the judging process. Figure, fitness, and bodybuilding are their own distinct animals...separate and apart from the general sport/athletic community, where effort and skill truly play huge roles in garnering success.
It all adds up to this: compete for yourself. You can make a goal to win a show or to earn a trophy or pro card, but that goal is based upon such subjectivity that I don't see it as being a realistic or healthy one. I know because I spent years trying to attain such goals. Instead, turn achievements within and decide for yourself what physique you wish to bring to the stage. Once you set yourself free of reaching others' expectations and instead concentrate on your own, it becomes a much healthier battle within.
I'm still trying to learn this.
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Amanda is one of the hardest working, intelligent, caring people I have ever met. She has become a close friend and I am both proud of her as a competitor and as a person. It is an honor that she considers me a friend.
Does that make me bias? Maybe, maybe not. But I don't think so. I've told her when I thought she looks great and I've told her when I thought she looked off her game. Of course, as far as her placings, whether I am bias is a little irrelevant. I am not a judge and I certainly don't have any influence over any judges.
Amanda's first show was the Orange county in April of 2005. She started working on her plan, her dream, in mid 2004. Just her, her family and her friends... people who have been a never ending supply of support and encouragement. And she hasn't stop working to her max since then. Her focus and her commitment has been unwavering.
You know.... I have a shit load more to say... but I imagine most of it will fall on the deaf ears of those they are intended for. I hope at some point you can get off the bitter bandwagon and deal with the fact that this woman has earned everything she has received.
I will close with this:
Amanda's contests and placing since that first show.
Apr 23 Orange County - Overall Winner
Apr 29-30 Emerald Cup - 1st Place E division
July 29-30 USA's - 1st Place E class (qualified for Pro Card)
Aug 5-6 NY Figure Pro - 7th Place
Sept 16-17 Europa Super Show - 1st Place overall (qualifies for 2005 Olympia)
October 05 Figure Olympia - 8th Place
Oct 21-21 San Francisco Pro - 7th Place
Mar 3-4 Arnold Classic - 3rd Place (qualifies for 2006 Olympia)
Deal with the hard work and commitment this took.
P.S. Yes, Amanda is WAY hot!
a shitload more to say?? ... you didnt say anything relevant in the first place ... all the competitors are hard working, and her being "intelligent, caring" and having a "supportive family" really has nothing to do with the point "youarejoking" was bringing up....
anyone who doesnt see a connection between jm girls and inordinate placings is either a fucking idiot or afraid to speak their mind
and thats real :D
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She was a 'newbie'.If you get the DVD later you will definitely be able to pick her out :-\
CQ, do you have a link for the DVD? Thanks :)
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Jennifer, I saw how much fun you were having, I am just saving those shots for blackmail. Luckily Susan was being a good friend to ya! :)
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CQ, do you have a link for the DVD? Thanks :)
Sorry no, I don't believe it is even out yet.
As far as the figure judging goes, I think Jodi makes valid points. Figure judging takes 'subjective' to the next level. In fitness the judging is somewhat easier to comprehend as even an untrained eye can distinguish between the top routines and a not so good routine. In BB, where size and conditioning matter, one can see why a larger, more shredded person places higher than a smaller, less conditioned person. There is no such thing as a bodybuilder being too shredded or too large [assuming they are proportional] and in fitness there is no such thing as a routine that is too good.
In figure you could be too large, too small, too conditioned, too shredded, too soft, too whatever. That's why I never even begin to debate the placings.
Honestly even as someone who has followed figure since it's inception [fitness as well] I still don't even begin to get it. To me alot of it is personal choice. EG: a couple of the top girls physiques just don't cut it for me. A couple have what I call "extended backs" as in their glutes are so damn flat I can't distinguish where their back ends and their glutes begin. I do not in any manner find this to be a good thing, but that is just my tastes.
I can't really see any way to change this, so like Jodi said acceptance may be the key :)
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I would say the key is coming in the way YOU want to, and not following someone else's wants because at the end of the day only YOU have to live with the way you look.
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i didnt read that!
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Of course there's is a connection! J.M. is in a business person. As far as inordinate? Someobody would have to do some serious math to attemp to prove that. And I doubt anyone wants to spend the time.
As a business person J.M. needs revenue and he needs product to produce that revenue. He has an ability to look at the competitors (products) and have a good idea who is going to do well in the future. Not by if he CAN sign them but if he SHOULD sign them. It's called calculated risk. This determined by looking at their physiques, there presence and YES their marketability! So he knows if he signs that woman with his company he can have a fair expectation of return on his investment.
In turn, the women who sign with JM already had the tools and the drive to make it onstage because THAT is what brought them to J.M.' attention. THAT is why he wanted to sign them. So these women signed with JM can now make some money by getting deals brokered by J.M. with sponsors and get their pics and layouts in magazines.
You might want to review your intro to capitalism book, that's how it works. A business needs a product or service to sell and that product must be advertised and promoted.., Again, what J.M. does. Are there politics in business? Yeah, check your college text book business politics 101. I think it's chapter six.
When will people learn that "just keepin' it real" and "that's real" is almost always just another way of saying "I have no proof to back my statements or assumptions" so I'll just try to sound cool.
I'll close by saying I don't know J.M. Never met him, never chatted with him. No particualrl reason why, just never seemed to be in the same hall way or hotel lounge at the same time. I suspect we'll meet and chat someday. Hey, maybe I can pick up a business tip or two from him. Oh and Jim... if you read this... Is it J.M. or is it JM? I get that confused.
P.S. the ativan is starting to wear off so I think it's nap time.
Wow. ::)
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I love it when a person comes in screaming, only to not understand what they are talking about.
I have never said amanda didn't work hard, wasn't a nice person or any other derogatory comment about her. There are still certain facts that remain. The judging in this industry is ungodly bias. It takes nothing more than looking at the score sheet thats already been posted to see that. When new girls are automatically are given the worst possible scores you can score, when it is obvious they weren't the worst on stage. It stands to reason, that if that is how they are going to judge things, then ANY new girl competing in the arnold should be blackedballed as well. How odd that a girl that signed with JM just HAPPEN to sidestep all of that. Ask any girl within the industry what they expect when starting their first shows. They all know they will get bad placings. Amanda once again, wins won of her first shows after getting up with JM.
There is another figure girl that went to the top pretty quick, managed to piss off the wrong people right before the arnold, and wow she is near the bottom. Amazing how that happens.
If you don't seen an incredibly large problem with the fact that the head judges's son owns a company that manages women that HE judges, than you're just stupid. Once again, any person that gets up on that stage went through pure hell to get there. It's just a shame that the top 3 places at any show is decided prior to the athletes being put on that stage. Don't believe it? Look at the score cards yourself. Why would the top 3 be scored light years higher than everyone else? Just like the two newbies being scored equally as hard. This show is the first time I've ever seen a score card. It would be interesting if you could go back over 20 shows just to see if there is a pattern. I'd hate to even look at the ungodly rigged national level results. That is a whole different story.
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There is another figure girl that went to the top pretty quick, managed to piss off the wrong people right before the arnold, and wow she is near the bottom. Amazing how that happens.
If you don't seen an incredibly large problem with the fact that the head judges's son owns a company that manages women that HE judges, than you're just stupid.
Probably the best points made on this thread.