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After seeing the new Buick and Lincoln at the LA auto show, I believe American luxury cars are improving. What do you think?
2017 Buick LaCrosse
COLORED TRI-SHIELD, ASSEMBLEEEEE!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O0nji3YCZgk/VkzPY3Ao-sI/AAAAAAABPN8/wj9oqJUCVkA/s1600/2017-Buick-LaCrosse-006.jpg)
2017 Lincoln MKZ
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2017 XT5
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2017 CT6
(http://gas2.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/cadillac-ct6.jpg)
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2017 MKZ
(http://image.automobilemag.com/f/91914186+w1000+h667+q80+re0/2017-lincoln-mkz-reveal-front-three-quarters-03.jpg)
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I'd say so. Four door Cadillacs are now faster than Ferraris.
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i think they're going after a younger market with all he boomers dying off
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Tesla is revolutionary. The Germans and japanese have nothing like it.
This frustrates many arrogant germans, as I read german car mags every week: when it doesn't come from germany, it automatically s*cks they think. They can't stand that Tesla is years ahead of them, so they speak negatively about the company
And with the recent massive VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat fraud scandal, they are even more sour than usual.....
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Cadillac built over-sized, too heavy, poor handling, mushy suspension, chunks of low grade pig iron because that is what the WWII generation wanted.
They didn't see the change coming in automotive driving tastes. They thought the desire for fun, sprightly, well handling GT style cars was just a temporary California based fad. They thought as the children of the WWII generation aged they would start to want cars like their dad's.
They did not see the success of the 1964 Pontiac GTO, Mustang, Volkswagen GTI, Corvair (If they had bothered to engineer it better) as being a harbinger of things to come.
Can you believe that GM was so stupid to keep Buick, but kill Pontiac? The division most associated with GT style cars.
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Cadillac might as well be a different company compared to their offerings from 20 years ago. The CTS-V is a world class performance sedan with a sledgehammer engine.
Lincoln is a farce. Their offerings at the LA auto show are too little, too late. Current lineup is a bunch of tarted up Fords with extra chrome and fake wood.
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Tesla is revolutionary. The Germans and japanese have nothing like it.
This frustrates many arrogant germans, as I read german car mags every week: when it doesn't come from germany, it automatically s*cks they think. They can't stand that Tesla is years ahead of them, so they speak negatively about the company
And with the recent massive VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat fraud scandal, they are even more sour than usual.....
BMW is a big status symbol in the US but I don't get it. Boring cars that are in the shop for expensive repairs and maintenance.
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BMW is a big status symbol in the US but I don't get it. Boring cars that are in the shop for expensive repairs and maintenance.
Read this article
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a26967/10-legendary-cars-that-prove-bmw-peaked-in-the-1990s/ (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a26967/10-legendary-cars-that-prove-bmw-peaked-in-the-1990s/)
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I drive a Dodge Stratus!
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Tesla is revolutionary. The Germans and japanese have nothing like it.
This frustrates many arrogant germans, as I read german car mags every week: when it doesn't come from germany, it automatically s*cks they think. They can't stand that Tesla is years ahead of them, so they speak negatively about the company
And with the recent massive VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat fraud scandal, they are even more sour than usual.....
After the decline of their cars and all the corruption and scandals they still think they're the best?
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Cadillac ATS is probably the lightest car in its class ???
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The new caddy concept is sick
(http://mayday411.com/app/uploads/2015/05/cadillac_100359805_h-800x600.jpg)
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After the decline of their cars and all the corruption and scandals they still think they're the best?
They make good quality cars, but Germans are certainly not the best when it comes to reliability, value for money, and warranties...
Many germans think that if their "premium" brands don't have it, the technology isn't ready for production or sale yet.
I dislike their arrogance.
VW is now suddenly going electric. It's not because they want to, they have to. They have no vision, no inner desire to make a better world or help solve something like global warming. And they will cheat if they can....
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After the decline of their cars and all the corruption and scandals they still think they're the best?
It's Germany---German car manufacturers. Of course they think that they are the best. German engineering used mean bank vault like solidity and reliability. Now it means putting all the latest electronics in their high end models, just because they can, so that they can show off and use the consumer as a guinea pig.
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It's Germany---German car manufacturers. Of course they think that they are the best. German engineering used mean bank vault like solidity and reliability. Now it means putting all the latest electronics in their high end models, just because they can, so that they can show off and use the consumer as a guinea pig.
In the 70s and mid-late 80s they made very solid (probably over-engineered) and reliable cars. After that, with a few minor exceptions, not so much. They still have a long way to go before they reach the level of the 70s and 80s again. From a reliability standpoint they don't seem to be doing very well.
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In the 70s and mid-late 80s they made very solid (probably over-engineered) and reliable cars. After that, with a few minor exceptions, not so much. They still have a long way to go before they reach the level of the 70s and 80s again. From a reliability standpoint they don't seem to be doing very well.
there have been articles written on the facility of "German Engineering" today. And what that really means---unreliable, cool looking, and tons of electronics---Lane departure, infrared collision avoidance, heads up displays, mood lighting, heated steering wheels, butt massagers, heated gear shift, puddle lighting with emblem that displays, etc
Just take a look at the interior of this brand new BMW 750, especially the night pics. This is "German engineering" in a nutshell
http://www.7post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1195276 (http://www.7post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1195276)
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BMW is a big status symbol in the US but I don't get it. Boring cars that are in the shop for expensive repairs and maintenance.
whether BMW looses their values after 60k miles or not, you'll still pull more pussy on a 2015 BMW 335i than a $60,000 Hyundai Genesis....ANYTIME
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there have been articles written on the facility of "German Engineering" today. And what that really means---unreliable, cool looking, and tons of electronics---Lane departure, infrared collision avoidance, heads up displays, mood lighting, heated steering wheels, butt massagers, heated gear shift, puddle lighting with emblem that displays, etc
Just take a look at the interior of this brand new BMW 750, especially the night pics. This is "German engineering" in a nutshell
http://www.7post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1195276 (http://www.7post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1195276)
Not a fan of "newer" (2000+) BMWs. The interior with this ambient lighting looks cheesy like a party limo. The hand gesture recognition system is a nice touch.
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And as a heads up that new Lincoln MKZ is 400 HP
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Lincoln is a farce. Their offerings at the LA auto show are too little, too late. Current lineup is a bunch of tarted up Fords with extra chrome and fake wood.
Lincoln's motto used to be "What a Luxury car should be". I think they should change it to "Lincoln, we are the new Mercury". But, which is the bigger farce, Lincoln or Acura? Is a tarted up Escape, Fusion, Accord, Civic, or CR-V really a luxury car?
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Lincoln's motto used to be "What a Luxury car should be". I think they should change it to "Lincoln, we are the new Mercury". But, which is the bigger farce, Lincoln or Acura? Is a tarted up Escape, Fusion, Accord, Civic, or CR-V really a luxury car?
At least Acura has the NSX....and impeccable, if not boring engineering and reliability.
Honda is the most stubborn company in the automotive world. Their absolute refusal to build a V8 engine for the Acura lineup is an enormous mistake. Toyota/Lexus is every bit Honda/Acura's engineering equal. Toyota is MORE than willing to build both V8 and V10 motors for their cars/trucks/SUVs...Toyota has a willingness to cater to North American demand for 8+ cylinder engine architecture. Honda steadfastly refuses to cave to consumer demand which is why the Acura lineup has never shared the success of Lexus. Acura's lack of RWD platforms certainly doesn't help either.
Lincoln is just junk.
For the record, Honda's HRC motorcycle division is absolutely second to none. If only Honda would set their collective mind to building a 32v V8.....the whole automotive world would be better off due to the increased competition.
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I drive a Dodge Stratus!
I can do 100 push-ups in twenty minutes!
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Lincoln's motto used to be "What a Luxury car should be". I think they should change it to "Lincoln, we are the new Mercury". But, which is the bigger farce, Lincoln or Acura? Is a tarted up Escape, Fusion, Accord, Civic, or CR-V really a luxury car?
I believe I read a few yrs back that Lincoln was doing worse at that time than Mercury was doing before they killed it off.
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Saw a blacked out 2015 Z06 vette w/ a Blackstone Labs sticker on the rear window this morning. It didn't look like PJ or Aaron, but since i was also driving a 2015 vette, I opted for the thumbs up instead of the bicep flex since my 17" pipe cleaners would likely leave him more than less impressed.
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corvettes are nice
the luxury cars from the US , as much a i want to like them it's just kind of blah meh whatever...
the el miraj concept car was cool,
like just make a nice GT coupe for fuck sakes. maybe they don't know how?
I remember the lincoln mark7 or mark8 it was cool 8)
(https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/lincoln/mark-viii/1993/oem/1993_lincoln_mark-viii_coupe_base_fq_oem_1_500.jpg)
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I believe I read a few yrs back that Lincoln was doing worse at that time than Mercury was doing before they killed it off.
Alan Mullally (Former Ford CEO) wanted to kill both Lincoln and Mercury and Mark Fields asked if he could try and save Lincoln.
In my opinion, too many American brands have been discontinued.
Oldsmobile
Pontiac
Plymouth
Mercury
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Tesla is revolutionary.
still ugly
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After seeing the new Buick and Lincoln at the LA auto show, I believe American luxury cars are improving. What do you think?
2017 Buick LaCrosse
COLORED TRI-SHIELD, ASSEMBLEEEEE!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O0nji3YCZgk/VkzPY3Ao-sI/AAAAAAABPN8/wj9oqJUCVkA/s1600/2017-Buick-LaCrosse-006.jpg)
2017 Lincoln MKZ
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cars for senior citizens
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just make a gt
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After seeing the new Buick and Lincoln at the LA auto show, I believe American luxury cars are improving. What do you think?
2017 Buick LaCrosse
COLORED TRI-SHIELD, ASSEMBLEEEEE!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O0nji3YCZgk/VkzPY3Ao-sI/AAAAAAABPN8/wj9oqJUCVkA/s1600/2017-Buick-LaCrosse-006.jpg)
2017 Lincoln MKZ
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In general, the difference between the high end and the middle is less. In other words, there isn't as much status associated with a high end car, these days, as the middle is perfectly fine.
Is that car really that much better than the middle of the road Camry?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/65d0688ece05e9e4e2198ce297fa7c0b_zpsvptwucn7.jpg)
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cars for senior citizens
Your criticism is valid and probably the most important anyone one could give of Buick and Lincoln. American car companies have had incompetent management for decades. Former luxury car brads like Buick, Cadillac, Lincoln, and Chrysler have been severely damaged and that's why I created this thread. I want to know if people believe they're making the necessary changes.
What do people think of when you say Lincoln? A 75 year old driving a Lincoln Town Car and that is perfectly valid and a hundred percent Fords own fault. Notice the low ball tactic of using Matthew McConaughey in their commercials in an attempt to lure ignorant females into buying tarted up Ford Escapes.
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In general, the difference between the high end and the middle is less. In other words, there isn't as much status associated with a high end car, these days, as the middle is perfectly fine.
Is that car really that much better than the middle of the road Camry?
This is a completely unfair comparison. You're comparing an Impala and Fusion to a Camry. ;D
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Alan Mullally (Former Ford CEO) wanted to kill both Lincoln and Mercury and Mark Fields asked if he could try and save Lincoln.
In my opinion, too many American brands have been discontinued.
Oldsmobile
Pontiac
Plymouth
Mercury
what's the point of all these brands if the cars are simply re-badged versions of something else?
same wine new bottle. watered down wine at that.
I think the younger generation have caught on to this rouse.
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what's the point of all these brands if the cars are simply re-badged versions of something else?
same wine new bottle. watered down wine at that.
I think the younger generation have caught on to this rouse.
The point is you can tailor the cars to a particular customers. For example, Plymouth used to be the third best selling brand in America right behind Chevrolet and Ford. Plymouth was always the value brand meaning you always got a lot for your money. So Chrysler could take four thousand dollars of the cost of a 200C and sell a de-premium version as a Plymouth and would probably outsell the 200C three to one.
Oldsmobile sold the best selling car in America in 1975 and it gave customers more style than the Chevrolet. I always thought Oldsmobile's were significantly better than Chevrolet's
Pontiac started the muscle car trend with the GTO. I used to work with a guy who was a life long Pontiac fan having driven a 79 Trans Am and currently driving G8. He is still FURIOUS at GM for killing Pontiac. He once said if he met that douche bag Elon Musk he would punch him in the face. He could tell you at length why Pontiac needed to be saved. I've never been a fan of Pontiac and just remember a bunch of body cladding on Grand Ams.
Mercury used to be what Lincoln is today, just a slightly more premium Ford. Had Ford kept Mercury it would have allowed Lincoln to go after the higher end premium market. I understand why they did what they did. Lincoln was too damaged by decades of Town Cars to do this.
My point is that all of these brands if managed properly could still be selling well today. Unfortunately, American car companies have had incompetent management for decades.
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just make a gt
this Big Body Caddy needs to have been made, pronto.
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The point is you can tailor the cars to a particular customers. For example, Plymouth used to be the third best selling brand in America right behind Chevrolet and Ford. Plymouth was always the value brand meaning you always got a lot for your money. So Chrysler could take four thousand dollars of the cost of a 200C and sell a de-premium version as a Plymouth and would probably outsell the 200C three to one.
Oldsmobile sold the best selling car in America in 1975 and it gave customers more style than the Chevrolet which people were willing to pay for. I always thought Oldsmobile's were significantly better than Chevrolet's
Pontiac started the muscle car trend with the GTO. I used to work with a guy who was a life long Pontiac fan having driven a 79 Trans Am and currently driving G8. He is still FURIOUS at GM for killing Pontiac. He once said if he met that douche bag Elon Musk he would punch him in the face. He could tell you at length why Pontiac needed to be saved. I've never been a fan of Pontiac and just remember a bunch of body cladding on Grand Ams.
My point is that all of these brands if managed properly could still be selling well today.
The Pontiac guys are crazy. The trans am and the gto were somewhat unique cars, they also built this thing called the aztec which was one of the most bizarre creations ever. I think a lot of people were mad at that decision. You can't please everybody.
My recollection is that GM started this concept of multi branding products under a single larger corporate umbrella, which was wildly successful (for reasons you stated) and unique. This established the model of the modern corporation.
As time went on, I feel that it's easy to become complacent when there's a lack of competition. Their products just weren't as good as the imports, which could be produced much more cheaply and ate away at that dominance. We know how the story ends...Post bankruptcy, I think they probably reasoned that a haircut was needed to return to the core values that produced success, which is sensible. I would imagine they started with a much smaller number of brands and products.
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The Pontiac guys are crazy. The trans am and the gto were somewhat unique cars, they also built this thing called the aztec which was one of the most bizarre creations ever. I think a lot of people were mad at that decision. You can't please everybody.
My recollection is that GM started this concept of multi branding products under a single larger corporate umbrella, which was wildly successful (for reasons you stated) and unique. This established the model of the modern corporation.
As time went on, I feel that it's easy to become complacent when there's a lack of competition. Their products just weren't as good and the imports, which could be produced much more cheaply and ate away at that dominance. We know how the story ends...Post bankruptcy, I think they probably reasoned that a haircut was needed to return to the core values that produced success, which is sensible. I would imagine they started with a much small number of brands and products.
the different brands had different engines as well. I remember that there was a lawsuit because somebody or a group of people thought that their Pontiacs still had unique engines to themselves, but again phased that concept out.
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this Big Body Caddy needs to have been made, pronto.
very handsome car, great lines
i love these stretched out coupes
(http://www.topcarrating.com/maybach/2005-maybach-exelero-6.jpg)
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the different brands had different engines as well. I remember that there was a lawsuit because somebody or a group of people thought that their Pontiacs still had unique engines to themselves, but again phased that concept out.
exactly, like the cats out of the bag right? people really thought that they were getting a different product hahaha,
with the internet now people research the hell out of everything.
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In general, the difference between the high end and the middle is less. In other words, there isn't as much status associated with a high end car, these days, as the middle is perfectly fine.
Is that car really that much better than the middle of the road Camry?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/65d0688ece05e9e4e2198ce297fa7c0b_zpsvptwucn7.jpg)
Good. Now you realize that all three are shit.
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Pontiac started the muscle car trend with the GTO. I used to work with a guy who was a life long Pontiac fan having driven a 79 Trans Am and currently driving G8. He is still FURIOUS at GM for killing Pontiac. He once said if he met that douche bag Elon Musk he would punch him in the face. He could tell you at length why Pontiac needed to be saved. I've never been a fan of Pontiac and just remember a bunch of body cladding on grand ams.
How GM spared Buick and axed Pontiac is beyond comprehension.
Pontiac certainly had their fair share of abortions and their reliance on body cladding was revolting. However, Pontiac had far more heritage value and potential to pull out of the nosedive. Buick on the other hand, has abandoned their blue hair loyalists and no longer offers a true "full sized" car. I work closely with several high volume GMC/Buick stores and behind closed doors each one is highly disparaging of the Buick lineup and dislikes how GM is trying to position the brand. Buick will never be the aspirational marque that GM fantasizes it should be.
As far as the Aztek goes, believe it or not it was ahead of its time....look at the CUV craze that now represents the fastest growing segment. Multiple brands have incorporated these awkward looking half SUV, half car shitboxes into their offerings....including luxury models. The demographic they aim for is the upwardly mobile female professional/soccer mom.
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It would be amazing to go back in time, and be able to knock boots in the back of one of these!!!
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Good stuff.
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Good stuff.
Thanks just got it.
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the different brands had different engines as well. I remember that there was a lawsuit because somebody or a group of people thought that their Pontiacs still had unique engines to themselves, but again phased that concept out.
I think it was Buick or Oldsmobile with Chevrolet engines.
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The two main problems with Tesla are:
- 1) The cost of the thing.
- 2) The range on a single charge.
Number one I am not addressing here. Number two is more problematical.
Chemical batteries are limited in their energy density...The amount of charge that it can hold is a function of what the electrolyte and the electrodes are made of.
The problem of range can be looked at two ways:
- A) How efficient is the drive train at converting the stored energy into motion.
- B) How much energy can the batteries hold.
Now Tesla may indeed have a very efficient drive train, but the energy density of the batteries are determined by chemistry and the choice of electrodes and electrolytes...you cannot make it "take more".
He once said if he met that douche bag Elon Musk he would punch him in the face.
The problem with Elon Musk is that when an engineer, technician, or automotive journalist who is not employed by Elon Musk says things that he doesn't want to hear...He goes ballistic...Think Jeremy Clarkson and Top Gear's Technical staff. (I would have bought tickets to see Clarkson and Musk that day.)
Tesla is revolutionary. The Germans and japanese have nothing like it.
This frustrates many arrogant germans, as I read german car mags every week: when it doesn't come from germany, it automatically s*cks they think. They can't stand that Tesla is years ahead of them, so they speak negatively about the company
It will be revolutionary only when another way is found to provide the current other than storage batteries...
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The two main problems with Tesla are:
- 1) The cost of the thing.
- 2) The range on a single charge.
Number one I am not addressing here. Number two is more problematical.
Chemical batteries are limited in their energy density...The amount of charge that it can hold is a function of what the electrolyte and the electrodes are made of.
It will be revolutionary only when another way is found to provide the current other than storage batteries...
Solid post, SP.
This has always been the problem.
The answer is to make a bigger battery, but, that makes the car heavier, requiring more energy to move it.
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It would be amazing to go back in time, and be able to knock boots in the back of one of these!!!
You actually were able to do that? Those had very little room in them. Nice velvety seats. Anemic gagged Windsor engines.
And the 85 mph speedos
On September 1, 1979, in a regulation that also regulated speedometer and odometer accuracy, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) required speedometers to have special emphasis on the number 55 and a maximum speed of 85 mph (135 km/h). However, on October 22, 1981, NHTSA proposed eliminating speedometer and odometer rules because they were "unlikely to yield significant safety benefits" and "[a] highlighted '55' on a speedometer scale adds little to the information provided to the driver by a roadside speed limit sign."[37][38][39]
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Solid post, SP.
This has always been the problem.
The answer is to make a bigger battery, but, that makes the car heavier, requiring more energy to move it.
Afraid not, it has to be something other than a chemical storage battery...
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2016 Cadillac CTS-V - Jay Leno's Garage
Cadillac kicking some serious ass it seems. Outstanding, who would guess, create a racing department and bring such technology to you commercial vehicles, kinda like BMW did with their M series and Mercedes AMG do through their F1 departments, who would guess.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1101087_2016-cadillac-cts-v-visits-jay-lenos-garage-video?fbfanpage
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I'd say so. Four door Cadillacs are now faster than Ferraris.
I agree. Amurican cars are quite good and steadily improving.
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I agree. Amurican cars are quite good and steadily improving.
to bad they are ugly (the sedans)
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Cadillac built over-sized, too heavy, poor handling, mushy suspension, chunks of low grade pig iron because that is what the WWII generation wanted.
They didn't see the change coming in automotive driving tastes. They thought the desire for fun, sprightly, well handling GT style cars was just a temporary California based fad. They thought as the children of the WWII generation aged they would start to want cars like their dad's.
They did not see the success of the 1964 Pontiac GTO, Mustang, Volkswagen GTI, Corvair (If they had bothered to engineer it better) as being a harbinger of things to come.
Can you believe that GM was so stupid to keep Buick, but kill Pontiac? The division most associated with GT style cars.
Here's another famous example of automotive executives not trying to understand what the public wants. I didn't realize this, but the Edsel wasn't just a car, it was another brand similar to Mercury, intended to give Ford owners more choice when moving to the intermediate market. Apparently GM had a 75 percent retention rating when owners traded up vs only 26 percent for Ford owners trading up to Mercury. The rest would defect to GM products.
Everyone knows what a flop Edsel was, but what's unbelievable is the market manager blamed the American consumer for being to fickle.
By Richard Feloni
J.C. Doyle, an Edsel marketing manager, even went so far as blaming the American public for the failed launch. He tells Brooks that he was flabbergasted that the American consumer dared to be so fickle.
"What they'd been buying for several years encouraged the industry to build exactly this kind of car," he says. "We gave it to them, and they wouldn't take it. Well, they shouldn't have acted like that ... And now the public wants these little beetles. I don't get it!"
http://www.businessinsider.com/lessons-from-the-failure-of-the-ford-edsel-2015-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/lessons-from-the-failure-of-the-ford-edsel-2015-9)
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The two main problems with Tesla are:
- 1) The cost of the thing.
- 2) The range on a single charge.
Number one I am not addressing here. Number two is more problematical.
Chemical batteries are limited in their energy density...The amount of charge that it can hold is a function of what the electrolyte and the electrodes are made of.
The problem of range can be looked at two ways:
- A) How efficient is the drive train at converting the stored energy into motion.
- B) How much energy can the batteries hold.
Now Tesla may indeed have a very efficient drive train, but the energy density of the batteries are determined by chemistry and the choice of electrodes and electrolytes...you cannot make it "take more".
The problem with Elon Musk is that when an engineer, technician, or automotive journalist who is not employed by Elon Musk says things that he doesn't want to hear...He goes ballistic...Think Jeremy Clarkson and Top Gear's Technical staff. (I would have bought tickets to see Clarkson and Musk that day.)
It will be revolutionary only when another way is found to provide the current other than storage batteries...
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ONLY OneMoreRep could debate you on this, IMHO... ;D
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The Continental is supposed to get the same 400 hp 3.0 twin turbo engine as the MKZ. This car and the CT6 give me the most hope for American luxury cars.
(http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/03/LincolnContinentalConcept_02_Profile.jpg)
(http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/03/LincolnContinentalConcept_01_Front.jpg)
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The Continental is supposed to get the same 400 hp 3.0 twin turbo engine as the MKZ. This car and the CT6 give me the most hope for American luxury cars.
(http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/03/LincolnContinentalConcept_02_Profile.jpg)
(http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/03/LincolnContinentalConcept_01_Front.jpg)
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Did you ever get to drive the previous one? The ecoboost version was fast as hell, and yes I got to drive one but they are hella expensive!!
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The Continental is supposed to get the same 400 hp 3.0 twin turbo engine as the MKZ. This car and the CT6 give me the most hope for American luxury cars.
(http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/03/LincolnContinentalConcept_02_Profile.jpg)
(http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/03/LincolnContinentalConcept_01_Front.jpg)
I don't see the market for this type of car. Couples and Families with money are probably gonna go for an SUV, or a German make. Seems like this car is for a generation that's dying out and not being replaced. People are more casual, these days.
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Here's another famous example of automotive executives not trying to understand what the public wants. I didn't realize this, but the Edsel wasn't just a car, it was another brand similar to Mercury, intended to give Ford owners more choice when moving to the intermediate market. Apparently GM had a 75 percent retention rating when owners traded up vs only 26 percent for Ford owners trading up to Mercury. The rest would defect to GM products.
Everyone knows what a flop Edsel was, but what's unbelievable is the market manager blamed the American consumer for being to fickle.
By Richard Feloni
J.C. Doyle, an Edsel marketing manager, even went so far as blaming the American public for the failed launch. He tells Brooks that he was flabbergasted that the American consumer dared to be so fickle.
"What they'd been buying for several years encouraged the industry to build exactly this kind of car," he says. "We gave it to them, and they wouldn't take it. Well, they shouldn't have acted like that ... And now the public wants these little beetles. I don't get it!"
http://www.businessinsider.com/lessons-from-the-failure-of-the-ford-edsel-2015-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/lessons-from-the-failure-of-the-ford-edsel-2015-9)
Front of the car / grille looked like a vagina. Big problem in the 1950's.....
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very handsome car, great lines
i love these stretched out coupes
(http://www.topcarrating.com/maybach/2005-maybach-exelero-6.jpg)
Didn't Quincy Jones buy that thing? He had no drivers licence btw :-)
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The two main problems with Tesla are:
- 1) The cost of the thing.
- 2) The range on a single charge.
Number one I am not addressing here. Number two is more problematical.
Chemical batteries are limited in their energy density...The amount of charge that it can hold is a function of what the electrolyte and the electrodes are made of.
The problem of range can be looked at two ways:
- A) How efficient is the drive train at converting the stored energy into motion.
- B) How much energy can the batteries hold.
Now Tesla may indeed have a very efficient drive train, but the energy density of the batteries are determined by chemistry and the choice of electrodes and electrolytes...you cannot make it "take more".
The problem with Elon Musk is that when an engineer, technician, or automotive journalist who is not employed by Elon Musk says things that he doesn't want to hear...He goes ballistic...Think Jeremy Clarkson and Top Gear's Technical staff. (I would have bought tickets to see Clarkson and Musk that day.)
It will be revolutionary only when another way is found to provide the current other than storage batteries...
In Germany a Model S costs about the same as a porsche panamera
Tesla states that range will improve 5% per year
The cost per kwh of lithium ion is dropping faster than expected
Range of a Model S (85) when driven normally and max say 70 mph is about 400 km or 250 miles
Add in their supercharger network and the other public fast loading stations and it should be enough for most people I think
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I don't see the market for this type of car. Couples and Families with money are probably gonna go for an SUV, or a German make. Seems like this car is for a generation that's dying out and not being replaced. People are more casual, these days.
You're right, the market for this type of car isn't very big, but they're discontinuing the MKS this year, which leaves them with only one car and three SUV's.
This car would compete with the Chrysler 300, Charger, Impala, and LaCrosse. So, there is an existing market, but it's shrinking fast, which is a big problem for all three domestic car companies. Large cars were their third pillar of profits right behind Pickups and SUV's. That's why Lincoln made the Town Car for so long. Even though it gave Lincoln the geriatric image, it was very profitable.
GM has made the right decision to completely separate Cadillac from GM's other brands and move the headquarters to New York. One example of why this is an important move is the ATS, which has been a failure. The ATS was originally designed to be the Pontiac G6 replacement. At one point Cadillac offered a four cylinder engine from the Malibu as a base engine. Customers may not know these facts, but they can perceive them.
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You're right, the market for this type of car isn't very big, but they're discontinuing the MKS this year, which leaves them with only one car and three SUV's.
This car would compete with the Chrysler 300, Charger, Impala, and LaCrosse. So, there is an existing market, but it's shrinking fast, which is a big problem for all three domestic car companies. Large cars were their third pillar of profits right behind Pickups and SUV's. That's why Lincoln made the Town Car for so long. Even though it gave Lincoln the geriatric image, it was very profitable.
GM has made the right decision to completely separate Cadillac from GM's other brands and move the headquarters to New York. One example of why this is an important move is the ATS, which has been a failure. The ATS was originally designed to be the Pontiac G6 replacement. At one point Cadillac offered a four cylinder engine from the Malibu as a base engine. Customers may not know these facts, but they can perceive them.
Strong post. You know your cars:
For a "Point A to B" economical car, I'd go with a Camry.
SUVs, I like the Nissan Murano, or a Rogue if money is an issue.
The only American make I'd buy? See below:
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/d448363cf27579dbeb539d461c495634_zpstad6e7eh.jpg)
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You're right, the market for this type of car isn't very big, but they're discontinuing the MKS this year, which leaves them with only one car and three SUV's.
This car would compete with the Chrysler 300, Charger, Impala, and LaCrosse. So, there is an existing market, but it's shrinking fast, which is a big problem for all three domestic car companies. Large cars were their third pillar of profits right behind Pickups and SUV's. That's why Lincoln made the Town Car for so long. Even though it gave Lincoln the geriatric image, it was very profitable.
GM has made the right decision to completely separate Cadillac from GM's other brands and move the headquarters to New York. One example of why this is an important move is the ATS, which has been a failure. The ATS was originally designed to be the Pontiac G6 replacement. At one point Cadillac offered a four cylinder engine from the Malibu as a base engine. Customers may not know these facts, but they can perceive them.
Odd thing about the ATS is that it th best handling car of its class. This class is stacked too. The ATS competes with the 3 series, C Class, IS, A4, Q60. People have suggested that it is a combo of things. The Caddy's CUE infotainment system, the base 4 cylinder engine is course, the stick shift, and oh yeah, the perception thing. It doesn't help Cadillac that it's dealerships tend to be attached to other GM dealerships, and the customer service is not Lexus-like.
The ATS-V should be flying off the shelves. And apparently, it is better than the standard bearer, the M3, in certain aspects.
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You actually were able to do that? Those had very little room in them. Nice velvety seats. Anemic gagged Windsor engines.
And the 85 mph speedos
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I was only 160lb when I was in the Military, so yes- and multiple times!!
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(http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/cq5dam.web_.1280.1280-366x550.jpeg)
By Ronnie Schreiber
In an interview held at Cadillac’s new business headquarters in New York City’s trendy SoHo district with Fortune, Melody Lee, ‘director of brand and reputation strategy’ for General Motors’ luxury brand, had some interesting things to say about the move to NYC, about the brand, and about herself. Other than to say that it’s just quite possible that outstanding product is a little bit more important to a company’s success than Ms. Lee seems to think, I’m not going to comment on her remarks because I think they speak for themselves and, frankly, I think they don’t bode well for the brand. You can read them and offer your own commentary after the jump. The engineers and designers at GM have given Cadillac the best products that it has had in decades, but automotive history has many examples of fine vehicles that were crippled in the marketplace by the very people trying to market them.
Thus spake Melody Lee:
“I’ll often say, ‘Well, do you want a millennial’s perspective?’ You have one right here.”
“Everyone in New York is always just a little bit ahead of everyone else and we need to be the brand that stands for that.”
“I don’t buy products, I buy brands. I don’t use Apple computers because they are the best computers, I use them because Apple is cool. We need to show drivers what the Cadillac lifestyle is all about.”
“We want to be a global luxury brand that happens to sell cars. We don’t want to be an automotive brand.”
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/11/cadillacs-director-brand-reputation-strategy-dont-want-automotive-brand/ (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/11/cadillacs-director-brand-reputation-strategy-dont-want-automotive-brand/)
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Morons buy brands for the brand. Intelligent people buy what they want.
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Morons buy brands for the brand. Intelligent people buy what they want.
The Volkswagen phaeton was a superb automobile based on the Bentley Continental Flying spur. It was an abysmal failure because it had a VW emblem on it. Why? because brands matter. Just ask Hyundai why they're creating Genesis.
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(http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/cq5dam.web_.1280.1280-366x550.jpeg)
By Ronnie Schreiber
In an interview held at Cadillac’s new business headquarters in New York City’s trendy SoHo district with Fortune, Melody Lee, ‘director of brand and reputation strategy’ for General Motors’ luxury brand, had some interesting things to say about the move to NYC, about the brand, and about herself. Other than to say that it’s just quite possible that outstanding product is a little bit more important to a company’s success than Ms. Lee seems to think, I’m not going to comment on her remarks because I think they speak for themselves and, frankly, I think they don’t bode well for the brand. You can read them and offer your own commentary after the jump. The engineers and designers at GM have given Cadillac the best products that it has had in decades, but automotive history has many examples of fine vehicles that were crippled in the marketplace by the very people trying to market them.
Thus spake Melody Lee:
“I’ll often say, ‘Well, do you want a millennial’s perspective?’ You have one right here.”
“Everyone in New York is always just a little bit ahead of everyone else and we need to be the brand that stands for that.”
“I don’t buy products, I buy brands. I don’t use Apple computers because they are the best computers, I use them because Apple is cool. We need to show drivers what the Cadillac lifestyle is all about.”
“We want to be a global luxury brand that happens to sell cars. We don’t want to be an automotive brand.”
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/11/cadillacs-director-brand-reputation-strategy-dont-want-automotive-brand/ (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/11/cadillacs-director-brand-reputation-strategy-dont-want-automotive-brand/)
Someone needs to muzzle this bitch. Smug. The whole "buying Apple" metaphor is vomit inducing.
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The Volkswagen phaeton was a superb automobile based on the Bentley Continental Flying spur. It was an abysmal failure because it had a VW emblem on it. Why? because brands matter. Just ask Hyundai why they're creating Genesis.
Stalone's Phaeton
(http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/article-1368253-0b40dd2800000578-512_468x516.jpg)
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You could have put a Ferrari badge on it and nobody would have bought it, genius.
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It would be amazing to go back in time, and be able to knock boots in the back of one of these!!!
gotta love those garage door mechanical light covers
pretty sure my grandfather drove one of these
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gotta love those garage door mechanical light covers
pretty sure my grandfather drove one of these
Those light covers opened by engine vacuum…After a while when the vacuum system became leaky from tubing rot, they would sometimes just droop half open as if the car had Myasthenia Gravis. Some people just jammed the covers open permanently.
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American cars are shit
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Those light covers opened by engine vacuum…After a while when the vacuum system became leaky from tubing rot, they would sometimes just droop half open as if the car had Myasthenia Gravis. Some people just jammed the covers open permanently.
nothing says deluxe like popup headlights or headlight covers ... super nifty and great for impressing the ladies
something thing tells me they won't be coming back anytime soon
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After seeing the new Buick and Lincoln at the LA auto show, I believe American luxury cars are improving. What do you think?
2017 Buick LaCrosse
COLORED TRI-SHIELD, ASSEMBLEEEEE!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O0nji3YCZgk/VkzPY3Ao-sI/AAAAAAABPN8/wj9oqJUCVkA/s1600/2017-Buick-LaCrosse-006.jpg)
2017 Lincoln MKZ
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/370/966/4/S3709664/slug/l/03-2017-lincoln-mkz-la-1.jpg)
J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study is showing that american cars are getting better. IMO, you can't better Japanese luxury cars tho.
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American cars are shit
Nah, I love my Jeep Wrangler. nothing like driving with the top down and my hair blowing in the wind on a nice summer day 8)
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Odd thing about the ATS is that it th best handling car of its class. This class is stacked too. The ATS competes with the 3 series, C Class, IS, A4, Q60. People have suggested that it is a combo of things. The Caddy's CUE infotainment system, the base 4 cylinder engine is course, the stick shift, and oh yeah, the perception thing. It doesn't help Cadillac that it's dealerships tend to be attached to other GM dealerships, and the customer service is not Lexus-like.
The ATS-V should be flying off the shelves. And apparently, it is better than the standard bearer, the M3, in certain aspects.
I just saw an advertisement for a $260 a month ATS lease. Even with those low lease rates, the ATS is still dead last in sales for it's class and the CTS is selling even worse.
After the release of the XT5 and CT6, there won't be another Cadillac coming out for two years. The Escalade, CT6, and XT5 will have to carry Cadillac until then.
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American cars are shit
better then benz tho
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better then benz tho
I know for a damn fact that this is not true...Not that I would ever spend all that much for a car...
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nothing says deluxe like popup headlights or headlight covers ... super nifty and great for impressing the ladies
something thing tells me they won't be coming back anytime soon
I have to admit I wish that headlights were still sealed beams...Lamp interiors wouldn't get trashed with moisture.
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American cars are shit
Are you including pickups and SUV's? List four American cars you've driven to make this assessment.
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I went through first page and then last page (sorry 2 and 3)... but where the fuck has luxury been mentioned? I remember being in a brand new 1996 Merc SL 600 my mate's dad had and thinking "wow this is good". Also was in, and drove, a Bentley Continental in 2005. Had same feeling. This car is comfy, has all gadgets and I feel like a boss.
Never been in a Phantom or similar but the feeling of luxury is like when you go to a 5 star hotel and think "wow". Not that it has this engine or looks like that - that is an afterthought. When you go to a 5 star hotel, get taken to your room, some guy takes your bags, art is good, and open the door and see room and say "yeah, that's fucking nice - cool, champagne..." that's luxury.
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You could have put a Ferrari badge on it and nobody would have bought it, genius.
was it poor quality?
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was it poor quality?
Not at all.
Its just not something people were willing to spend the money on at the time. Its a VERY high quality car actually.
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I know for a damn fact that this is not true...Not that I would ever spend all that much for a car...
Really? How you " know" if you never owned one? ??? ::)
I have, sedan was shit. My mom's suv, electronical nightmare. My sister's slk? Was in the shop all the time, it was basically a lemon. My sisters new suv? Pos.
So take it from a person's that knows , Benz is junk.