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http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/
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I feel safer already ::), and I bet POTUS is going to say no one on that list should be able to buy firearms.
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same number of virgins waiting for them in heaven
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I feel safer already ::), and I bet POTUS is going to say no one on that list should be able to buy firearms.
Banning those on the terrorist watch list is a democrat position.
Republicans believe those on the list Shoul continue to be able to buy guns, until after they actually commit a crime.
Not joking. Surprised me too.
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Watching his live address now... I get the feeling it is going to end with a message on how "our own guns" were used in San Bernardino. Clever way to tie terror to gun control.
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I called it. From first few moments could see where the speec was going. Can't say I agree or disagree.
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I called it. From first few moments could see where the speec was going. Can't say I agree or disagree.
What president, Republican or Democrat would not say that? Captain Obvious. ::)
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Hmmmm a 15 minute speech on why muslims are OK, but our rights as Americans aren't. What an assclown
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Hmmmm a 15 minute speech on why muslims are OK, but our rights as Americans aren't. What an assclown
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"There are some who don't want gun safety at all" this line, he's so full of propaganda shit of a lie.
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True Adonis, do you have any regrets voting for Obama?
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What president, Republican or Democrat would not say that? Captain Obvious. ::)
Really? Show me one speech, ONE, from another president tying international terrorism to domestic gun laws. GBW sure as fuck didn't do it. Clinton got the AR 15 ban but no more. Bush Sr and Reagan sure as fuck didn't and wouldn't say it. Tell me. Who else said it captain retard? Tell me.
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I feel safer already ::), and I bet POTUS is going to say no one on that list should be able to buy firearms.
If you're on a no fly list, what the hell are you doing in the country in the first place?
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If you're on a no fly list, what the hell are you doing in the country in the first place?
That's the point .gov makes the list, maintains the list and there is no way to appeal you being on it. talk about a back door way to shit on the 2nd amendment.
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That's the point .gov makes the list, maintains the list and there is no way to appeal you being on it. talk about a back door way to shit on the 2nd amendment.
I thought that would shit on the right to due process...
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True Adonis, do you have any regrets voting for Obama?
No. His administration has killed and stopped more terrorists and plots than any in history.
Domestically, he was heavily more Republican, more than John McCain in some instances and Romney of course. This is due to having a tough time in Congress.
Overall the economy recovered and healthcare remained the same with just a few elements that are better (extremely minor as Obamacare is nothing but a Republican wet dream plan where Insurance companies continue to dictate healthcare)
Other than that, I feel confident we did not regress in any major areas.
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That's the point .gov makes the list, maintains the list and there is no way to appeal you being on it. talk about a back door way to shit on the 2nd amendment.
I'm not talking about 2nd Amendment.
If the police or government can't trust you to get on an airplane, why the hell aren't we deporting you that very same day?
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Really? Show me one speech, ONE, from another president tying international terrorism to domestic gun laws. GBW sure as fuck didn't do it. Clinton got the AR 15 ban but no more. Bush Sr and Reagan sure as fuck didn't and wouldn't say it. Tell me. Who else said it captain retard? Tell me.
Who did that?
You must have watched a different speech there, genius.
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I'm not talking about 2nd Amendment.
If the police or government can't trust you to get on an airplane, why the hell aren't we deporting you that very same day?
Deport to where? Guantanamo? Many on that list were born in America. Where do you deport them to? ???
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I thought that would shit on the right to due process...
Now that you mention it, the 5th amendments gets cleveland steamer as well
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Who did that?
You must have watched a different speech there, genius.
He cited the San Bernardino shooting, then mentioned the threat of international terror and how it has evolved from largescale assaults like 9/11 to smaller scale assaults. He then mentioned the fact that distance is nullified due to the internet and terrorist ideology can be spread without borders and guns are widely available in USA.
Do I need to draw pictures for you to understand? It was a boring, elongated speech, and he looked as convincing as someone confessing to having an affair while fucking their mistress, but that's what he said.
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No. His administration has killed and stopped more terrorists and plots than any in history.
Domestically, he was heavily more Republican, more than John McCain in some instances and Romney of course. This is due to having a tough time in Congress.
Overall the economy recovered and healthcare remained the same with just a few elements that are better (extremely minor as Obamacare is nothing but a Republican wet dream plan where Insurance companies continue to dictate healthcare)
Other than that, I feel confident we did not regress in any major areas.
Right.....no major areas:
Government spending
National debt
Ending the war
Bringing troops home
Closing Gitmo
U.S. Standing in the world
Immigration
Race relations
Healthcare
Crime
Education
Trust in the government
Just minor stuff.....
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No. His administration has killed and stopped more terrorists and plots than any in history.
Domestically, he was heavily more Republican, more than John McCain in some instances and Romney of course. This is due to having a tough time in Congress.
Overall the economy recovered and healthcare remained the same with just a few elements that are better (extremely minor as Obamacare is nothing but a Republican wet dream plan where Insurance companies continue to dictate healthcare)
Other than that, I feel confident we did not regress in any major areas.
You would never admit it anyway.
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Right.....no major areas:
Government spending
National debt
Ending the war
Bringing troops home
Closing Gitmo
U.S. Standing in the world
Immigration
Race relations
Healthcare
Crime
Education
Trust in the government
Just minor stuff.....
(http://www.cps-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bush-vs-obama-deficit.jpg)
Race relations? WHAT? ???
You think blacks and whites don't like each other because???????? Obama.
You really are dumb as fuck. Only if it were that easy. ::)
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Deport to where? Guantanamo? Many on that list were born in America. Where do you deport them to? ???
Guantanamo was closed wasn't it.....Obozo promised that in 2008?
If you can't be trusted to fly due to terrorist activities against the U.S., then you should be in jail. You have forfeited your rights as a citizen
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Right.....no major areas:
Government spending
National debt
Ending the war
Bringing troops home
Closing Gitmo
U.S. Standing in the world
Immigration
Race relations
Healthcare
Crime
Education
Trust in the government
Just minor stuff.....
Bad president, but handed a shitty situation (economy, war in Iraq etc)... the economy is booming again (for now, will drop soon), but he has been too partisan and stifled by Republicans to acheive much. His foreign policy has been atrocious.
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Because Reagan said it doesn't make it right, or constitutional for that matter.
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(http://::)http://www.cps-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bush-vs-obama-deficit.jpg)
Race relations? WHAT? ???
You think blacks and whites don't like each other because???????? Obama.
You really are dumb as fuck. Only if it were that easy. ::)
Adonis....you are one of the stupidest fucks on this board, and not YouTube video is needed to prove it
You dicksuck Obozo as he goes down in history as the worst POTUS of all time.
And.....the most racially divisive administration of all time.
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Bad president, but handed a shitty situation (economy, war in Iraq etc)... the economy is booming again (for now, will drop soon), but he has been too partisan and stifled by Republicans to acheive much. His foreign policy has been atrocious.
I love when people say he was handed a shitty situation, he was in congress, he choose to run for POTUS, he knew what he was getting into.
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Because Reagan said it doesn't make it right, or constitutional for that matter.
The point is that not only democrats (as has been alleged here) wanna "take yur guns so yu cn be oppressed".
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Bad president, but handed a shitty situation (economy, war in Iraq etc)... the economy is booming again (for now, will drop soon), but he has been too partisan and stifled by Republicans to acheive much. His foreign policy has been atrocious.
How is the economy booming if you adjust for inflation?
This president has accomplished nothing. Stop with all this bullshit about reviving the economy. He spent trillions of dollars for what has basically been sweet fuck all.
And eight years later the brain dead lib crowd are still trying to blame George Bush
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The point is that not only democrats (as has been alleged here) wanna "take yur guns so yu cn be oppressed".
Dem, Rep both equally useless. No the government doesn't want the populous armed, it impedes their ability to fuck us over.
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I love when people say he was handed a shitty situation, he was in congress, he choose to run for POTUS, he knew what he was getting into.
Oh, I am not excusing him. I said he was a bad president. He came with bells and rings attached and most of Europe thought he shit gold for fuck sake. Look at when he first went to Germany after being elected. People equated a black president being elected after an economic crash with some notion that suddenly the world was different...
Now it isn't Obama's fault that race relations are shit in America, you can argue about the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan (Afghanistan gets forgotten - it has improved a lot)... but on the Arab Spring, on Qaddafi, on Egypt, on Assad - he made terrible misjudgments.
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Adjusting for inflation? LOL. Have you seen interest rate sand inflation rates?
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I love when people say he was handed a shitty situation, he was in congress, he choose to run for POTUS, he knew what he was getting into.
It is questionable that he knew anything.
Never had a job and never accomplished anything. Rode skin color thru school and into politics.
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Adjusting for inflation? LOL. Have you seen interest rate sand inflation rates?
I know that the stock market has been pumped full of quantitative easing free money
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Adjusting for inflation? LOL. Have you seen interest rate sand inflation rates?
You cannot continue to use debt spending to artificially depress interest rates and inflation forever.
The government is playing roulette with your retirement.
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It is questionable that he knew anything.
Never had a job and never accomplished anything. Rode skin color thru school and into politics.
Point taken, Obama is all smoke and mirrors
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It is questionable that he knew anything.
Never had a job and never accomplished anything. Rode skin color thru school and into politics.
Can you not take a somewhat objective stance? He is well educated and very intelligent. A bad politician, but not a dumbass.
Being intelligent does not mean you always make the right decision or the best decision, nor does it mean you can convince people you are doing what is best. That is where he falls down.
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Can you not take a somewhat objective stance? He is well educated and very intelligent. A bad politician, but not a dumbass.
Being intelligent does not mean you always make the right decision or the best decision, nor does it mean you can convince people you are doing what is best. That is where he falls down.
I know this was not directed at me, but I am from Illinois, I remember all the crooked shit that went on that basically gave Obama the Senate seat.
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Adonis....you are one of the stupidest fucks on this board, and not YouTube video is needed to prove it
You dicksuck Obozo as he goes down in history as the worst POTUS of all time.
And.....the most racially divisive administration of all time.
Whats Donald Trump like on "race relations"
Do the blacks like him? The mexicans? How would he improve them? (not that its even the presidents job to do stupid shit like that)
hahahaha@you thinking Donald Trump is a "race relations" expert when they all hate him.
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(http://www.cps-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bush-vs-obama-deficit.jpg)
Race relations? WHAT? ???
You think blacks and whites don't like each other because???????? Obama.
You really are dumb as fuck. Only if it were that easy. ::)
This moron posts a graph showing Bush versus Obama deficit....and doesn't even realize the Obozo numbers for 2011-2013 are not real......they are estimated.
If you're going to try to make a point shitbrain - post actual numbers.
Get a fucking clue you dumbo eared shitbag.
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Whats Donald Trump like on "race relations"
Do the blacks like him? The mexicans? How would he improve them? (not that its even the presidents job to do stupid shit like that)
hahahaha@you thinking Donald Trump is a "race relations" expert when they all hate him.
Where was Trump mentioned ever in this thread? You just come out of left field with non sense, in some attempt to make a point.
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Another thread successfully derailed. Im outta here. Choo choo.
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Can you not take a somewhat objective stance? He is well educated and very intelligent. A bad politician, but not a dumbass.
Being intelligent does not mean you always make the right decision or the best decision, nor does it mean you can convince people you are doing what is best. That is where he falls down.
Who says he is intelligent?
He got into school by affirmative action and his grandmother's personal relationships.
If he's so smart....why are his grades not being released to the public?
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Whats Donald Trump like on "race relations"
Do the blacks like him? The mexicans? How would he improve them? (not that its even the presidents job to do stupid shit like that)
hahahaha@you thinking Donald Trump is a "race relations" expert when they all hate him.
What does Trump have to do with the current POTUS's abject failure?
Donald trump is a businessman and holds no political office - but nice try dummy
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Who says he is intelligent?
He got into school by affirmative action and his grandmother's personal relationships.
If he's so smart....why are his grades not being released to the public?
It's all perception, people make the assumption because he went to Harvard that he is intelligent.
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Where was Trump mentioned ever in this thread? You just come out of left field with non sense, in some attempt to make a point.
He is quite stupid isn't he....
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It's all perception, people make the assumption because he went to Harvard that he is intelligent.
Why aren't his grades being released?
What did he accomplish at Harvard?
How did someone with his beyond weak undergrad get into Harvard?
This "smartest guy in the room" crap is pure political bullshit
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He is quite stupid isn't he....
It's the same with him all the time, if not something completely unrelated to the topic, its a quick cut and paste of some shit he was able to google. I don't believe has ever had an original thought
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What does Trump have to do with the current POTUS's abject failure?
Donald trump is a businessman and holds no political office - but nice try dummy
Has there been any Republican that improved race relations? ???
Why is it the job of a President to do so? Would your true love Trump improve them? How, when they hate him?
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Why aren't his grades being released?
What did he accomplish at Harvard?
How did someone with his beyond weak undergrad get into Harvard?
This "smartest guy in the room" crap is pure political bullshit
He can speak eloquently, and he is a true believer leftist. He never really comes right out and says anything, it's all implied.
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Has there been any Republican that improved race relations? ???
Why is it the job of a President to do so? Would your true love Trump improve them? How, when they hate him?
First of all why would a politician of either party want to improve race relations?
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Has there been any Republican that improved race relations? ???
Why is it the job of a President to do so? Would your true love Trump improve them? How, when they hate him?
I think Lincoln took a step that way.
@Kazan: He can speak but it means and carries nothing. Look at his speech tonight. Compare it to Churchill (also a bad politician but a great wartime leader and excellent speech writer) who said he spent hours preparing off the cuff remarks.
I won't comment on the content of his speech, he is not my president, but look at his eyes. Vacant, no fire, no intent. Same as his tone. Always tries to sound reasonable when sometimes you should be angry or upset.
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"There are some who don't want gun safety at all" this line, he's so full of propaganda shit of a lie.
Some fun owner demand Zero change to any law. Even those which stop trunk sales to people from Syria without id, which is perfectly legal.
You should read up on the issue.
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First of all why would a politician of either party want to improve race relations?
Ask Dumbass Walter Somecock, he is the one that brought it up.
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Some fun owner demand Zero change to any law. Even those which stop trunk sales to people from Syria without id, which is perfectly legal.
You should read up on the issue.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I don't think selling guns to a foreigner is legal to begin with.
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I think Lincoln took a step that way.
@Kazan: He can speak but it means and carries nothing. Look at his speech tonight. Compare it to Churchill (also a bad politician but a great wartime leader and excellent speech writer) who said he spent hours preparing off the cuff remarks.
I won't comment on the content of his speech, he is not my president, but look at his eyes. Vacant, no fire, no intent. Same as his tone. Always tries to sound reasonable when sometimes you should be angry or upset.
Lincoln? Are you out of your mind? He wanted to send them all back to Africa.
(http://mccluresmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/lincoln-racist.jpg)
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Ask Dumbass Walter Somecock, he is the one that brought it up.
Well I'm asking you....... What advantage would there be to politicians? None, gotta keep the peons fighting among themselves, so they don't see what the man behind the curtain is doing.
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I think Lincoln took a step that way.
@Kazan: He can speak but it means and carries nothing. Look at his speech tonight. Compare it to Churchill (also a bad politician but a great wartime leader and excellent speech writer) who said he spent hours preparing off the cuff remarks.
I won't comment on the content of his speech, he is not my president, but look at his eyes. Vacant, no fire, no intent. Same as his tone. Always tries to sound reasonable when sometimes you should be angry or upset.
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Well I'm asking you....... What advantage would there be to politicians? None, gotta keep the peons fighting among themselves, so they don't see what the man behind the curtain is doing.
I don't think its their job, but Walter Somecock seems to think it is, yet he can't answer for it at all.
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Lincoln? Are you out of your mind? He wanted to send them all back to Africa.
(http://mccluresmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/lincoln-racist.jpg)
I know what Lincoln said, but I also know he was a pragmatist...
You can't achieve a massive change in one go. He probably believed what he said, I can't say, but he did start the way for change by stopping slavery... LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act (I think) but you still had Jim Crow and years of blatant discrimination in the south.
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I know what Lincoln said, but I also know he was a pragmatist...
You can't achieve a massive change in one go. He probably believed what he said, I can't say, but he did start the way for change by stopping slavery... LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act (I think) but you still had Jim Crow and years of blatant discrimination in the south.
Lincoln did not stop slavery.
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I know what Lincoln said, but I also know he was a pragmatist...
You can't achieve a massive change in one go. He probably believed what he said, I can't say, but he did start the way for change by stopping slavery... LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act (I think) but you still had Jim Crow and years of blatant discrimination in the south.
The first slave owner in America was a black man. Some of the slaveowners with the most slaves were black. Blacks were not treated as bad as you think in the South compared to the north where they could not own property or practice any trade. Most times "slaves" were basically part of the white families. Do you think Thomas Jefferson treated them horribly or anyone with wealth for that matter (the majority of people in the South DID NOT own slaves).
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Some fun owner demand Zero change to any law. Even those which stop trunk sales to people from Syria without id, which is perfectly legal.
You should read up on the issue.
Why should there be a change in the laws when the laws (strict) laws have already been set?
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The first slave owner in America was a black man. Some of the slaveowners with the most slaves were black. Blacks were not treated as bad as you think in the South compared to the north where they could not own property or practice any trade. Most times "slaves" were basically part of the white families. Do you think Thomas Jefferson treated them horribly or anyone with wealth for that matter (the majority of people in the South DID NOT own slaves).
Post your train of thought, word for word, linking where you said no republican did squat for race relations to where i suggested Lincoln (abolishing slavery) did. Then how you got to this point here....You are assuming you know what I think and believe....
Like I said... the Civil Rights act did not stop discrimination overtly... it gave a basis to act on. Same as civil war.
@coach you cannot call gun laws strict when someone who dresses as batman or muslim extremists have an arsenal of weapons.
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Please, please, please, let's not turn this into another Civil War debate thread. The walls of bold red font, cut and pasted over and over, gets rather exhausting. :-\
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I don't think selling guns to a foreigner is legal to begin with.
the 'gunshow loophole' allows you to sell a gun to a person - without even looking at their ID.
You can meet them at a walmart, sell anyone a gun (criminal, illegal alien, etc) and it's LEGAL. You don't have to ask in a private sale. They can be wearing their prison blues or ISIS mankini... does not matter. it's legal. And I don't like that law.
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Why should there be a change in the laws when the laws (strict) laws have already been set?
are you familiar with the gun show loophole? It's a HUGE technicality that many want to change. I'm one of them.
LEGALLY, I can purchase ten AK-47s at my local gun store for ten grand$.
I can drive straight to the gun show, and put on a sign that says "Ten Aks for sale, $20,000" and I can legally sell them to the first person that shows me 20 grand. I can lead them to my car, accept their cash, no receipt, no ID, no background, no govt involvement... and I can give them the ten weapons and tell them happy hunting.
They can be felons, illegals, on the terror list. They can be on the FBI top ten list. They can have warrants. They can have mental adjudication because they threatened to buy ten AKs and set shit off.
DOesn't matter. It's legal. It's a LOOPHOLE. There's no background check. I do NOT like this law. Close it and make them buy guns so terrorists/felons/warranted people will have a harder time getting them.
(Most people - once this is explained - realize the gun show loophole is a bad idea. Most people)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
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Post your train of thought, word for word, linking where you said no republican did squat for race relations to where i suggested Lincoln (abolishing slavery) did. Then how you got to this point here....You are assuming you know what I think and believe....
Like I said... the Civil Rights act did not stop discrimination overtly... it gave a basis to act on. Same as civil war.
@coach you cannot call gun laws strict when someone who dresses as batman or muslim extremists have an arsenal of weapons.
Again, Lincoln DID NOT abolish slavery. President did not have the power to do that. It would take an amendment to the Constitution which had to be ratified by the states.
He died well before the 13th amendment happened, genius.
Furthermore, his Emancipation did not free all of the slaves at all.
Maybe Obama can help you Understand the Emancipation Proclamation.
Start at 1:40
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I don't think selling guns to a foreigner is legal to begin with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
I can legally buy 50 rifles.
I can legally sell them to anyone I meet, in a private sale. Federally protected.
The customer can be freshly shaved, wearing an ISIS t-shirt, muttering about revenge. And I have ZERO legal requirement to do anything but hand over the 50 rifles and laugh all the way to the bank. I don't even have to ask for an ID.
(granted, I'd beat the piss out of someone making such a sale - in NO way would I ever do that).
It's a small loophole which could lead to MAJOR problems. Every gun show, you see dudes walking around gun show, wearing an AR-15, saying "FOR SALE $1800" and every show, it sells. He goes back to his car, wears in another AR, and walks around until someone willing to overpay a grand will pay him for it. Over and over. who pays double for a gun? Someone who wants it anonymous or who cannot buy one legally!!!
I hate it. I'd like to close this loophole. They almost did in the 90s, but the senate defeated it.
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are you familiar with the gun show loophole? It's a HUGE technicality that many want to change. I'm one of them.
LEGALLY, I can purchase ten AK-47s at my local gun store for ten grand$.
I can drive straight to the gun show, and put on a sign that says "Ten Aks for sale, $20,000" and I can legally sell them to the first person that shows me 20 grand. I can lead them to my car, accept their cash, no receipt, no ID, no background, no govt involvement... and I can give them the ten weapons and tell them happy hunting.
They can be felons, illegals, on the terror list. They can be on the FBI top ten list. They can have warrants. They can have mental adjudication because they threatened to buy ten AKs and set shit off.
DOesn't matter. It's legal. It's a LOOPHOLE. There's no background check. I do NOT like this law. Close it and make them buy guns so terrorists/felons/warranted people will have a harder time getting them.
(Most people - once this is explained - realize the gun show loophole is a bad idea. Most people)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
1.4%
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/the-truth-about-the-gun-show-loophole/
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1.4%
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/the-truth-about-the-gun-show-loophole/
What would the effects of such a law be? According to Senator Ted Cruz’s research, 1.4% of all firearms used in crimes come from a gun show.
You just proved my point. Nationally, that's a lot of friggin guns. And if someone you love is murdered by a felon, an ISIS, a nutjob, who happened to buy the gun thru the loophole, the small % wouldn't really matter, would it?
I guess what I'm asking is - WHY do you want this loophole to exist? Even if it stopped ONE murder a year, instead of the 200 or so that it would stop... WHY would you oppose it?
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What would the effects of such a law be? According to Senator Ted Cruz’s research, 1.4% of all firearms used in crimes come from a gun show.
You just proved my point. Nationally, that's a lot of friggin guns. And if someone you love is murdered by a felon, an ISIS, a nutjob, who happened to buy the gun thru the loophole, the small % wouldn't really matter, would it?
I guess what I'm asking is - WHY do you want this loophole to exist? Even if it stopped ONE murder a year, instead of the 200 or so that it would stop... WHY would you oppose it?
I proved nothing would happen if that loophole changed. It's a left talking point. Useless. Like global warming.
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I proved nothing would happen if that loophole changed. It's a left talking point. Useless. Like global warming.
What? You proved 1.4% of gun crimes are caused by loophole guns.
1.4% isn't "nothing" when you think about it on a national level. Do you know the word MACRO?
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Ask Dumbass Walter Somecock, he is the one that brought it up.
This president and attorney general holder ruled over the most racist and racially divisive administration ever.
Obozo is dishonest and not trustworthy on his best day. And this was going to be the most transparent administration ever.
Hey Bitchtits, do you still have that men's size medium Obozo t-shirt?
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What? You proved 1.4% of gun crimes are caused by loophole guns.
1.4% isn't "nothing" when you think about it on a national level. Do you know the word MACRO?
You're going to focus on 1.4% to make a point and ignore the other 98.6%?
Good lord....
You want to focus on something.....tonight the president of the United States openly lied, and was purposely dishonest to the people of this country. For no other reasons than: (1) he is a liar and (2) to promote a political agenda.
Forget this gun ban smokescreen. This POTUS is not capable of protecting the citizens of the U.S.
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You're going to focus on 1.4% to make a point and ignore the other 98.6%?
I never said I want to ignore the other 98.6%.
I'm saying we can close 1.4% of gun violence with something very easy which won't affect us legal gun buyers in one bit. 18 states have closed it already. Close it, and smile, cause 1.4% just closed. Now, attack the remaining %.
I have some ideas for the other 98.6%. Triple the prison time for gun crime offenders. Make it so they KNOW they use a gun in an argument or a crime, they WILL get 20 years of prison time. End the repeat offenders by locking them up early for longer. Double police presence in Chicago and other urgan high-crime areas, body cameras on everyone to ensure police follow procedure and to make sure charges stick. Tough to deny you had a gun, when the body camera shows the cop taking it from you ;) (Other ideas too, just sharing this one to demonstrate the loophole isn't the ONLY thing I'd support)
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I proved nothing would happen if that loophole changed. It's a left talking point. Useless. Like global warming.
"Nothing" does not equal 1.4% of 8000 gun crimes annually. It's a small %, but if you're a person getting a loophole gun stuck in your face at a red light, that 1.4% matters a lot ;)
I do not understand the mentality on this thread. A small adjustment that 18 states have done already which stops illegals and felons from buying guns from the trunk at your local Walmart. And you oppose because?
What % of gun crimes stopped WOULD you support, coach? 2.4%? 3.4%? 30%? At what magic number do you decide it's "worth it" to stop felons and illegals from buying guns without an ID? (LOL at people who demand voter ID, but not handgun purchase ID)
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Their not that hard to spot,
John Wilkinson
Micheal Anderson
Tony Pearson
Rashid Mustafa
Clint Jones
Muhammad Hassan
Joe Plumber
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Has the middle class shrunk or grown under Obama?
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http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/
lets see how true this really is....remember, back in the day McCarthy claimed to have a list of 205 communist working in the state department....and that all ended up being bullshit..
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(http://www.cps-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bush-vs-obama-deficit.jpg)
What Crayola box did you pull this shit out of.... fuck, man...
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the 'gunshow loophole' allows you to sell a gun to a person - without even looking at their ID.
You can meet them at a walmart, sell anyone a gun (criminal, illegal alien, etc) and it's LEGAL. You don't have to ask in a private sale. They can be wearing their prison blues or ISIS mankini... does not matter. it's legal. And I don't like that law.
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"Nothing" does not equal 1.4% of 8000 gun crimes annually. It's a small %, but if you're a person getting a loophole gun stuck in your face at a red light, that 1.4% matters a lot ;)
I do not understand the mentality on this thread. A small adjustment that 18 states have done already which stops illegals and felons from buying guns from the trunk at your local Walmart. And you oppose because?
What % of gun crimes stopped WOULD you support, coach? 2.4%? 3.4%? 30%? At what magic number do you decide it's "worth it" to stop felons and illegals from buying guns without an ID? (LOL at people who demand voter ID, but not handgun purchase ID)
a ban on mind controlling drugs such as seroquel would make more of a change than gun laws...when you actively decide to take away or modify constitutional rights or use morality as a governing tool to create laws for your citizens, you have failed your country
Public safety is not even a relevant arguement...it is a tired excuse..criminals do NOT obey laws...so more laws wont mean dick.
the people of paris, and california gave up their right to self defense......hows being an easy target going for them now?
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lets see how true this really is....remember, back in the day McCarthy claimed to have a list of 205 communist working in the state department....and that all ended up being bullshit..
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My guess is that they weren't waking up in the morning with intent to literally blow up Americans. Most are stupid but not that stupid.
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(http://media.makeameme.org/created/yeahIm-gonna-have.jpg)
Actually, he's spot on. In the majority of states in the USA, it really is that easy. I do firearm transactions like this all the time. Email seller and tell him I want to buy his firearm, pick a place to meet (walmart, burger king, etc.) drive to location, inspect gun, hand him cash, and leave with gun. There is no paperwork, and it's 100% legal in the majority of states.
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My guess is that they weren't waking up in the morning with intent to literally blow up Americans. Most are stupid but not that stupid.
except it was the cold war and we were looking at "massive retaliation" from Dulles as our only form of foreign policy, and mutually assured destruction was literally the only outcome. The stakes were much higher then...
I am not disagreeing with you...I am saying to be objective about this...be a student of history, or be its victim..I'm sure there are people who wish to do this country harm within our government...but pandering with fear and no baseline will only make America's own citizens resent their own country and feel disenfranchised
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Actually, he's spot on. In the majority of states in the USA, it really is that easy. I do firearm transactions like this all the time. Email seller and tell him I want to buy his firearm, pick a place to meet (walmart, burger king, etc.) drive to location, inspect gun, hand him cash, and leave with gun. There is no paperwork, and it's 100% legal in the majority of states.
THANK YOU. I know, the loophole sounds ridiculous... but it is fact. I posted the WIKI article. Most people don't know it exists.
It's 100% legal to sell ten AK-47s to a syrian refugee with arrest warrants who is on the terror watch list. No ID needed.
It's crazy, and those hating on me refuse to read the wiki link to see it's actually true.
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I'm not hating or trolling. I think if you realized it was true - illegals on the terror list, people with warrants, people who just got out of prison, people on expired visas from Iran or wherever... they CAN buy a gun without an ID or background check, from a car trunk in a walmart parking lot. LEGALLY!
I think if you saw it was true, you'd say it was a TERRIBLE idea. Even if it only gives us 1.4% of gun crimes, it's still a LOT nationally. And most gun crimes dont leave serial numbers around for us to analyze.
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I'm not hating or trolling. I think if you realized it was true - illegals on the terror list, people with warrants, people who just got out of prison, people on expired visas from Iran or wherever... they CAN buy a gun without an ID or background check, from a car trunk in a walmart parking lot. LEGALLY!
I think if you saw it was true, you'd say it was a TERRIBLE idea. Even if it only gives us 1.4% of gun crimes, it's still a LOT nationally. And most gun crimes dont leave serial numbers around for us to analyze.
I stand corrected, my appologies
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I stand corrected, my appologies
The reason many repubs get hated on, when it comes to the issue, is that they allow for ZERO flexibility. They want to keep these sales open. I don't get it. When coach's only defense is "well, it's ONLY a few hundred, or 1.4%, of gun murders each year..."
That turns off a lot of moderate voters who wonder why 1.4% of shootings are A-okay.
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I'm not hating or trolling. I think if you realized it was true - illegals on the terror list, people with warrants, people who just got out of prison, people on expired visas from Iran or wherever... they CAN buy a gun without an ID or background check, from a car trunk in a walmart parking lot. LEGALLY!
I think if you saw it was true, you'd say it was a TERRIBLE idea. Even if it only gives us 1.4% of gun crimes, it's still a LOT nationally. And most gun crimes dont leave serial numbers around for us to analyze.
You're missing my point.
Is a person is an illegal on a terror list, on a no-fly list because of plotting against the U.S., or on an expired visa from Iran.....what the hell are they doing in the country in the first place?
Get rid of the problem at the source and stop trying to claim an inanimate object is responsible for anything
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Has the middle class shrunk or grown under Obama?
MC has shrunk.
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MC has shrunk.
In some regions of the country it has all but disappeared.
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That's why keep these refugees out... US cant deal what they have now, how are they supposed to screen many thousands more?
Ain't gonna happen...
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In some regions of the country it has all but disappeared.
X2
Yet all the stupid FUCKWITS can think about are guns.
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You're missing my point.
Is a person is an illegal on a terror list, on a no-fly list because of plotting against the U.S., or on an expired visa from Iran.....what the hell are they doing in the country in the first place?
Get rid of the problem at the source and stop trying to claim an inanimate object is responsible for anything
I'm all for many other measures to keep them out in the first place. In no way did I exclude those.
I'm saying, for the douchebag illegals, criminals, felons, and terror-listers that are ALREADY HERE, and want a gun they cannot buy legally - - we may as well remove that option from them. That's all.
This is the 2nd time someone has accused me of ignoring other means and choosing ONLY this. I'm all for tripling gun crime sentences, booting their asses, and many other measures. But I like this one TOO.
Every argument against it so far has been "it's only a small %" and "why not do other things". NONE of them have told us why it's okay to allow dozens of guns to be sold from car trunks to strangers without ID, for cash, with zero background check, in the USA in 2015.
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I'm all for many other measures to keep them out in the first place. In no way did I exclude those.
I'm saying, for the douchebag illegals, criminals, felons, and terror-listers that are ALREADY HERE, and want a gun they cannot buy legally - - we may as well remove that option from them. That's all.
This is the 2nd time someone has accused me of ignoring other means and choosing ONLY this. I'm all for tripling gun crime sentences, booting their asses, and many other measures. But I like this one TOO.
Every argument against it so far has been "it's only a small %" and "why not do other things". NONE of them have told us why it's okay to allow dozens of guns to be sold from car trunks to strangers without ID, for cash, with zero background check, in the USA in 2015.
Yet they are all concerned about "voter fraud" and having an ID for that even though Voter Fraud happens Literally Less Likely Than Being Hit By Lightning.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/08/voter-fraud-literally-less-likely-being-hit-lightning
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Yet they are all concerned about "voter fraud" and having an ID for that even though Voter Fraud happens Literally Less Likely Than Being Hit By Lightning.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/08/voter-fraud-literally-less-likely-being-hit-lightning
(http://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_voter_fraud_percent_0.jpg)
Retarded non-sequitur.
Like redefining the definition of unemployed so the POTUS doesn't look like the one of, if not, the worst job creation president of all time
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Retarded non-sequitur.
Like redefining the definition of unemployed so the POTUS doesn't look like the one of, if not, the worst job creation president of all time
240 said this:
"every argument against it so far has been "it's only a small %" and "why not do other things"
So yes, its the exact same principle as to why or why not to do something, (at least for dumbasses such as yourself)
You people are so fucking paranoid about everything its insane. Your lives must be horrible if all you do is fear this, fear that.
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240 said this:
"every argument against it so far has been "it's only a small %" and "why not do other things"
So yes, its the exact same principle as to why or why not to do something, (at least for dumbasses such as yourself)
You people are so fucking paranoid about everything its insane. Your lives must be horrible if all you do is fear this, fear that.
Jesus fuck you are stupid. I mean you are seriously brain fucking dead!
It is fitting that you're a closet phaggot liberal.
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Jesus fuck you are stupid. I mean you are seriously brain fucking dead!
It is fitting that you're a closet phaggot liberal.
I think anyone reading this easily comes to the conclusion that you are the one of a much lesser intelligence. You can't help it though, its the way you were born.
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I think anyone reading this easily comes to the conclusion that you are the one of a much lesser intelligence. You can't help it though, its the way you were born.
I'm highly suspicious that you have a university degree. In fact, I don't think you do, or at least you don't have one in a useful curriculum of study.
You really have very little grasp of how the world really works.
You are the typical Obozo low IQ supporter.....except for the bowl haircut and elf ears.
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I'm highly suspicious that you have a university degree. In fact, I don't think you do, or at least you don't have one in a useful curriculum of study.
You really have very little grasp of how the world really works.
You are the typical Obozo low IQ supporter.....except for the bowl haircut and elf ears.
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good call TA... I posted 2 days ago this exact thing...
repubs scream about voter ID, but don't want people to need an ID to buy an AK47 rifle.
Let them think about that for a bit.
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Every argument against it so far has been "it's only a small %" and "why not do other things". NONE of them have told us why it's okay to allow dozens of guns to be sold from car trunks to strangers without ID, for cash, with zero background check, in the USA in 2015.
I will tell you why, because private unregistered sales are what stop the government from having a list of all gun owners. Once any sale has to be licensed and recorded it is a small step to a big database with who owns guns and where those guns are. Gun owners do not want that ever, especially the NRA because it will make confiscation much easier. Mad at Glocks, we'll check the list. Saturday night specialist? Check the list. Not on the list? That's a crime.
This is the argument.
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I will tell you why, because private unregistered sales are what stop the government from having a list of all gun owners. Once any sale has to be licensed and recorded it is a small step to a big database with who owns guns and where those guns are. Gun owners do not want that ever, especially the NRA because it will make confiscation much easier. Mad at Glocks, we'll check the list. Saturday night specialist? Check the list. Not on the list? That's a crime.
This is the argument.
Then say it. I give you props for saying it. I want to hear Coach say it. Insead of "well, illegal guns don't kill THAT many people...", I want to hear him say he believes the govt will take them, and he wants to hide them from uncle sam.
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Let's take this to the extreme:
You are a man in the Arctic, wronged by your lover who fucked some stranger, and drunk. You are angry and react without thinking so punch the fuck out of him. People hold you back.
You are a man in the USA, drunk and pissed off about being laid off from work and your ex is seeing someone - you have (or easily buy) a gun. Fuck... it's a stupid... sleep on it... can't sleep... get drunk... decide the guy she is with is a dick too. Go to his apt and find 3 ppl, kill them with gun you have. Feel shitty. Shoot yourself in head.
A gun makes mass violence easier, accept it. Some dickhead with a knife can cause a lot of damage - I know - someone I know was stabbed 2 weeks ago in a stupid argument (over a girl ::) ) but no gun was involved. Now, the guy in question actually has a gun... but it is in a safe and legally owned... not on call for hot headed arguments. He is pressing criminal charges btw.
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Let's take this to the extreme:
You are a man in the Arctic, wronged by your lover who fucked some stranger, and drunk. You are angry and react without thinking so punch the fuck out of him. People hold you back.
You are a man in the USA, drunk and pissed off about being laid off from work and your ex is seeing someone - you have (or easily buy) a gun. Fuck... it's a stupid... sleep on it... can't sleep... get drunk... decide the guy she is with is a dick too. Go to his apt and find 3 ppl, kill them with gun you have. Feel shitty. Shoot yourself in head.
A gun makes mass violence easier, accept it. Some dickhead with a knife can cause a lot of damage - I know - someone I know was stabbed 2 weeks ago in a stupid argument (over a girl ::) ) but no gun was involved. Now, the guy in question actually has a gun... but it is in a safe and legally owned... not on call for hot headed arguments. He is pressing criminal charges btw.
And....if you were a jihadist you would go to the apartment with a suicide vest and level the building.
Stop with the silly hypothetical scenarios.
How many guns did the 9/11 terrorists use?
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And....if you were a jihadist you would go to the apartment with a suicide vest and level the building.
Stop with the silly hypothetical scenarios.
How many guns did the 9/11 terrorists use?
They took advantage of the naivety of US security thinking internal flights needed less security... and only needed stanley blades to overtake an aircraft.
If I were a Jihadi I would go to new year's ever in NY and just let go from a any room overlooking Time Square. I was in Time Square for new year's ever before. Might as well have been a sardine with a shooting gallery above.
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They took advantage of the naivety of US security thinking internal flights needed less security... and only needed stanley blades to overtake an aircraft.
If I were a Jihadi I would go to new year's ever in NY and just let go from a any room overlooking Time Square. I was in Time Square for new year's ever before. Might as well have been a sardine with a shooting gallery above.
Post forwarded to homeland security office....
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They took advantage of the naivety of US security thinking internal flights needed less security... and only needed stanley blades to overtake an aircraft.
If I were a Jihadi I would go to new year's ever in NY and just let go from a any room overlooking Time Square. I was in Time Square for new year's ever before. Might as well have been a sardine with a shooting gallery above.
I hope New Yorkers stay away from New Years Eve this year. I definitely wont be going.
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Let's take this to the extreme:
You are a man in the Arctic, wronged by your lover who fucked some stranger, and drunk. You are angry and react without thinking so punch the fuck out of him. People hold you back.
You are a man in the USA, drunk and pissed off about being laid off from work and your ex is seeing someone - you have (or easily buy) a gun. Fuck... it's a stupid... sleep on it... can't sleep... get drunk... decide the guy she is with is a dick too. Go to his apt and find 3 ppl, kill them with gun you have. Feel shitty. Shoot yourself in head.
A gun makes mass violence easier, accept it. Some dickhead with a knife can cause a lot of damage - I know - someone I know was stabbed 2 weeks ago in a stupid argument (over a girl ::) ) but no gun was involved. Now, the guy in question actually has a gun... but it is in a safe and legally owned... not on call for hot headed arguments. He is pressing criminal charges btw.
You can keep going with it to say one of the three had a gun, and disarmed or otherwise neutralized the threat. Perhaps neutralized before it began, due to knowledge the dude had about the armed status of the would-be victims.
With no news on it, maybe never even seen in the police report. How about that?
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I hope New Yorkers stay away from New Years Eve this year. I definitely wont be going.
I know you're joking but I'd never cower from going out unless there was a legit threat... The thing is... after 9/11 they up airplane security in USA. After subway attack other day they deploy more officers to London tube. You think anyone could have foreseen someone attacking a centre for training disabled people? They can pick childcare centres, shopping centres, boats, buses, whatever - upping security after won't help.
@Las Vegas armed people/possibly armed people doesn't seem to work when you have a mass shooting every day in USA. If someone taps me on shoulder I cannot preempt it.
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I know you're joking but I'd never cower from going out unless there was a legit threat... The thing is... after 9/11 they up airplane security in USA. After subway attack other day they deploy more officers to London tube. You think anyone could have foreseen someone attacking a centre for training disabled people? They can pick childcare centres, shopping centres, boats, buses, whatever - upping security after won't help.
@Las Vegas armed people/possibly armed people doesn't seem to work when you have a mass shooting every day in USA. If someone taps me on shoulder I cannot preempt it.
Look.....in the U.S. you can't call the president a pussy without reciprocity.
There you go. ;D
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But the "mass shooting" is what's reported on, while the other is not. That's the entire point of it.
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But the "mass shooting" is what's reported on, while the other is not. That's the entire point of it.
Radical Islam at war with the U.S.
18 trillion dollars in debt - 10 trillion of it Obozo's
Up to 30,000,000 illegals living here bankrupting our medical, educational, and social programs
And the president says global warming is the greatest threat to Americans.
Supreme stupidity
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Let's take this to the extreme:
You are a man in the Arctic, wronged by your lover who fucked some stranger, and drunk. You are angry and react without thinking so punch the fuck out of him. People hold you back.
You are a man in the USA, drunk and pissed off about being laid off from work and your ex is seeing someone - you have (or easily buy) a gun. Fuck... it's a stupid... sleep on it... can't sleep... get drunk... decide the guy she is with is a dick too. Go to his apt and find 3 ppl, kill them with gun you have. Feel shitty. Shoot yourself in head.
A gun makes mass violence easier, accept it. Some dickhead with a knife can cause a lot of damage - I know - someone I know was stabbed 2 weeks ago in a stupid argument (over a girl ::) ) but no gun was involved. Now, the guy in question actually has a gun... but it is in a safe and legally owned... not on call for hot headed arguments. He is pressing criminal charges btw.
The biggest mistake was this man catching feelings in the first place.
don't put your heart into that shit, player.
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I will tell you why, because private unregistered sales are what stop the government from having a list of all gun owners. Once any sale has to be licensed and recorded it is a small step to a big database with who owns guns and where those guns are. Gun owners do not want that ever, especially the NRA because it will make confiscation much easier. Mad at Glocks, we'll check the list. Saturday night specialist? Check the list. Not on the list? That's a crime.
This is the argument.
Spot on
With Martial Law you can find a good hiding place for your guns. But if you're on a Gov list for having guns and they come a calling, you better give up all those guns or you'll find yourself sitting in a Fema camp...Fuck a list and fuck letting your neighbors know you have guns...
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If you can't be trusted to fly due to terrorist activities against the U.S., then you should be in jail. You have forfeited your rights as a citizen
I see the trolls are out in force... can you tell us - and be very specific - what the numerous toddlers under one year old (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/16/no_fly_list_grounds_some_unusual_young_suspects/), and several active and on-duty Air Marshals (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/30/air-marshals-grounded-in-list-mix-ups/) have done to not be trusted to fly and to, according to you, be jailed and forfeit the rights as citizens? We'll get to members of the Armed Forces and the Congress next.
And when you're done with that can you:
- (a) explain how one can end up in jail on account of being present on the no-fly list, considering the lax legal standard (by the government's own admission, it is below the "reasonable suspicion" bar) vis-à-vis due process as guaranteed by the Constitution? and
- (b) present a plausible legal theory that being added to a list by the Government means that you forfeit your rights.
Thanks!
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Are more Muslims Arab or Asian?
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I'm not hating or trolling. I think if you realized it was true - illegals on the terror list, people with warrants, people who just got out of prison, people on expired visas from Iran or wherever... they CAN buy a gun without an ID or background check, from a car trunk in a walmart parking lot. LEGALLY!
The two rifles used in the san bernadino massacre were bought... drum roll please... in a PRIVATE SALE.
The terr'ist didn't want the guns in his name, so he bought them from a buddy. A buddy who wanted to be a terr'ist, but decided to stop - BUT was willing to buy the guns for bad guy because he thought hey, it's just a private sale, it's legal.
If this loophole law is in place, this prick doesn't buy the guns for his friend and sell them in a PRIVATE SALE with no ID, no background check, and ZERO record that this prick now has two hi cap rifles.
You people still support private sales with zero ID or record?
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The two rifles used in the san bernadino massacre were bought... drum roll please... in a PRIVATE SALE.
The terr'ist didn't want the guns in his name, so he bought them from a buddy. A buddy who wanted to be a terr'ist, but decided to stop - BUT was willing to buy the guns for bad guy because he thought hey, it's just a private sale, it's legal.
If this loophole law is in place, this prick doesn't buy the guns for his friend and sell them in a PRIVATE SALE with no ID, no background check, and ZERO record that this prick now has two hi cap rifles.
You people still support private sales with zero ID or record?
For someone who claims to be so pro 2nd, you support implementing a lot of new restrictions. Maybe you shouldn't fly anymore, because hell a terrorist might hijack the plane. Maybe you shouldn't drive anymore because a drunk might hit you. For fuck sake, straw purchases are already illegal, didn't stop it. It's always the same shit, implement more laws, more restrictions, guess what criminals don't obey the fucking law. I think we should restrict your use of the keyboard so you stop posting bullshit, or you could just take a hammer and smash your fingers into dust and save us the trouble.
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The two rifles used in the san bernadino massacre were bought... drum roll please... in a PRIVATE SALE.
The terr'ist didn't want the guns in his name, so he bought them from a buddy. A buddy who wanted to be a terr'ist, but decided to stop - BUT was willing to buy the guns for bad guy because he thought hey, it's just a private sale, it's legal.
If this loophole law is in place, this prick doesn't buy the guns for his friend and sell them in a PRIVATE SALE with no ID, no background check, and ZERO record that this prick now has two hi cap rifles.
You people still support private sales with zero ID or record?
You're trolling right? You do realize that CA already has the loophole law in place. Any firearm sale between two parties who are not authorized dealers must be conducted by an FFL, and a background check must be performed. Private sales are already illegal in CA. Furthermore, the sale of assault weapons in CA are illegal as well. You can only sell to a Peace Officer. You can't even sell your assault rifle to a gun shop.
So, tell me again how well this law works? ???
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You're trolling right? You do realize that CA already has the loophole law in place. Any firearm sale between two parties who are not authorized dealers must be conducted by an FFL, and a background check must be performed. Private sales are already illegal in CA. Furthermore, the sale of assault weapons in CA are illegal as well. You can only sell to a Peace Officer. You can't even sell your assault rifle to a gun shop.
So, tell me again how well this law works? ???
The thing is you can talk about a CA law, or as is often argued here "CHICAGO HAS TOUGHER GUN LAWS AND X AMOUNT MURDERS SO WUT U TINK BOUT DAT?"...
It is an issue of proximity and borders. If you've no borders to police the movement of goods (guns etc) how can you enforce such a law or say it works/does not work? I doubt there are checkpoints around Chicago, yet if you drove a couple of hours you are in the mid west and could buy a cruise missile, an ex army ATV and a 50 caliber gun, no questions asked, and fuck the government if they dare question that transaction - for profit.
I am a realist - I think you should be able to have guns (and drugs etc - your choice, just don't harm others is my guideline, unless they try to harm you). However, you can't denegrate a law when it is made unenforceable by your constitution, state and national law. It is just writing on paper to appease people, not a law.