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Title: This is why we lose
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 17, 2015, 12:01:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-san-bernardino-shooters-buried-quiet-funeral-following-003855115.html (http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-san-bernardino-shooters-buried-quiet-funeral-following-003855115.html)

these monsters were buried on American soil and given the 'proper Islamic funeral rites' and processes...

WTF??? they should have been boiled in a vat of left over bacon grease from McDonalds and dropped into the ocean from a helicopter whilst strapped to pig carcasses with a bible and a torah stapled to each hand and a penis drawn on their foreheads!!!

by the way Tashfeen malik or whatever... Scottie Pippen called, he wants his nose back
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: whork on December 17, 2015, 12:53:12 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-san-bernardino-shooters-buried-quiet-funeral-following-003855115.html (http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-san-bernardino-shooters-buried-quiet-funeral-following-003855115.html)

these monsters were buried on American soil and given the 'proper Islamic funeral rites' and processes...

WTF??? they should have been boiled in a vat of left over bacon grease from McDonalds and dropped into the ocean from a helicopter whilst strapped to pig carcasses with a bible and a torah stapled to each hand and a penis drawn on their foreheads!!!

by the way Tashfeen malik or whatever... Scottie Pippen called, he wants his nose back

You are not losing calm down.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 17, 2015, 04:34:33 PM
don't forget, he used the "gunshow loophole" to get the guns used in the terrorist massacre attack.

he didn't want the guns "in his name", so he had a buddy buy them, and then he purchased them from his friend in a PRIVATE SALE with NO BACKGROUND CHECK OR RECORD.   

But like coach says, it's "only" 1.4% of shootings proven to use loophole guns, so no biggie, right?


seriously, guys... this terrorist was scared to have guns in his name.  Remove the legality of the private sale, and his buddy (who left the terror game and went legal because he was scared of getting caught...) maybe never sells him the guns in the first place.

Think about that.   
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: headhuntersix on December 17, 2015, 04:42:48 PM
He also bought stuff to make bombs....and your blaming guns! How exactly would u stop a straw purchase. How often have you purchased a gun 240?


This is the problem..no muslims.....
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 17, 2015, 04:47:58 PM
don't forget, he used the "gunshow loophole" to get the guns used in the terrorist massacre attack.

he didn't want the guns "in his name", so he had a buddy buy them, and then he purchased them from his friend in a PRIVATE SALE with NO BACKGROUND CHECK OR RECORD.   

But like coach says, it's "only" 1.4% of shootings proven to use loophole guns, so no biggie, right?


seriously, guys... this terrorist was scared to have guns in his name.  Remove the legality of the private sale, and his buddy (who left the terror game and went legal because he was scared of getting caught...) maybe never sells him the guns in the first place.

Think about that.   

So your solution is to screw law abiding citizens because of what might happen? Hell you might say something that offends me, maybe we should put restrictions on that. .gov has already shit all over the 2nd and 4th amendments, whats next? People die everyday for all kinds of different reasons, not giving up my rights for what ifs.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 17, 2015, 04:52:08 PM
He also bought stuff to make bombs....and your blaming guns! How exactly would u stop a straw purchase. How often have you purchased a gun 240?

where did I blame guns?

I blamed private, anonymous sales of guns.   THis prick was scared to get one in his name.  buyer prick was scared to break the law.  If private sales without ID are banned, then buyer prick doesn't buy these guns for shooter prick.  And shooter prick was too scared to get it in his name.

There's a chance that without this loophole letting buyer prick sell without ID, then shooter never gets these guns.

The guns are fine... just buy them legally.  Just run a doggone background check.  I can't vote without ID, cause that'd be too messed up... but dude can buy 2 AR-15s without ID?  Hmmm
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 17, 2015, 04:59:58 PM
where did I blame guns?

I blamed private, anonymous sales of guns.   THis prick was scared to get one in his name.  buyer prick was scared to break the law.  If private sales without ID are banned, then buyer prick doesn't buy these guns for shooter prick.  And shooter prick was too scared to get it in his name.

There's a chance that without this loophole letting buyer prick sell without ID, then shooter never gets these guns.

The guns are fine... just buy them legally.  Just run a doggone background check.  I can't vote without ID, cause that'd be too messed up... but dude can buy 2 AR-15s without ID?  Hmmm

Hmmmmm fucking what? Read the constitution, shall not be infringed.

Definition - act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on

People have to get a drivers license, but they still drive drunk even though it is illegal.

Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 17, 2015, 11:06:01 PM
People have to get a drivers license, but they still drive drunk even though it is illegal.

and if they break the law, they go to jail.

selling AK47s or AR15s to these 2 shooters?   Private sales without ID are legal, unfortunately.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: TuHolmes on December 18, 2015, 04:32:21 AM
and if they break the law, they go to jail.

selling AK47s or AR15s to these 2 shooters?   Private sales without ID are legal, unfortunately.

You don't think people who shoot up places go to jail?

Or die?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 18, 2015, 06:11:59 AM
and if they break the law, they go to jail.

selling AK47s or AR15s to these 2 shooters?   Private sales without ID are legal, unfortunately.

You argument is non sense, If I sell a car to someone privately I don't ask them for a drivers license or make sure a back ground check is done. For all I know they have 10 dui's or no license at all. They could go out and plow into a crowd at 80 mph, should I blame the car? Besides driving is not a constitutional right, it is a state regulated privilege.

Your argument falls apart because people are the problem, not inanimate objects. So your answer is, since whatever % of people might do something, penalize everyone. Fuck that, .gov does not get to decide how I protect myself and my family from those that would do me harm.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 18, 2015, 06:41:04 AM
You argument is non sense, If I sell a car to someone privately I don't ask them for a drivers license or make sure a back ground check is done. For all I know they have 10 dui's or no license at all. They could go out and plow into a crowd at 80 mph, should I blame the car? Besides driving is not a constitutional right, it is a state regulated privilege.

Your argument falls apart because people are the problem, not inanimate objects. So your answer is, since whatever % of people might do something, penalize everyone. Fuck that, .gov does not get to decide how I protect myself and my family from those that would do me harm.

they never have any answer for this. when you start applying their 'logic' about guns to other things, they have nothing to say because they realize how stupid it sounds
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 18, 2015, 06:42:31 AM
don't forget, he used the "gunshow loophole" to get the guns used in the terrorist massacre attack.

he didn't want the guns "in his name", so he had a buddy buy them, and then he purchased them from his friend in a PRIVATE SALE with NO BACKGROUND CHECK OR RECORD.   

But like coach says, it's "only" 1.4% of shootings proven to use loophole guns, so no biggie, right?


seriously, guys... this terrorist was scared to have guns in his name.  Remove the legality of the private sale, and his buddy (who left the terror game and went legal because he was scared of getting caught...) maybe never sells him the guns in the first place.

Think about that.   

it was a straw purchase, already illegal.

and if they couldn't get them though legit sources, they could have just got them from the same back-channel people who gave them $28,000 and pipe bomb materials  ::)
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 18, 2015, 08:09:10 AM
he COULD get the gun thru legit sources.  He had no criminal record.

He just didn't want the gun in his name.  (some getbiggers have said they do the same thing to keep guns out of their names)
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 18, 2015, 08:12:33 AM
he COULD get the gun thru legit sources.  He had no criminal record.

He just didn't want the gun in his name.  (some getbiggers have said they do the same thing to keep guns out of their names)

And?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 18, 2015, 09:01:39 AM
And?

Buyer was scared to attack anyone.
Shooter was scared to buy a gun thru a dealer.

Without the loophole, there's a chance that shooter doesn't get those rifles.  Sure it was a strawman, but they did use the pvt sale loophole to get the terrorists the guns.  Buyer was scared to break any laws, he thought it was legal. (he admitted strawman sale because he didn't lawyer up - if he had lawyered up, with shooter dead, he could have just said it was a private sale)

I know, everyone wants to hide their guns. 
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 18, 2015, 11:00:20 AM
Buyer was scared to attack anyone.
Shooter was scared to buy a gun thru a dealer.

Without the loophole, there's a chance that shooter doesn't get those rifles.  Sure it was a strawman, but they did use the pvt sale loophole to get the terrorists the guns.  Buyer was scared to break any laws, he thought it was legal. (he admitted strawman sale because he didn't lawyer up - if he had lawyered up, with shooter dead, he could have just said it was a private sale)

I know, everyone wants to hide their guns. 

And the bottom line is people again.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 18, 2015, 11:11:46 AM
And the bottom line is people again.

what?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 18, 2015, 11:14:21 AM
what?

People are the problem, not the tool. Maybe it's time to pour a little clorox in the gene pool.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 19, 2015, 12:46:09 AM
People are the problem, not the tool. Maybe it's time to pour a little clorox in the gene pool.

maybe we should kill off stupid people?  is that what you're saying?

of course, i never said guns kill people.  BUT I do agree if you're not willing to put your name on the gun, well, there's a good chance you're a felon, a terrorist, or up to something shady.

This shooter specifically didn't want his name coming up with an AR15 was used to shoot 50 people.  IF IF he got away with it, there'd be no record of him buying it.  A record of it would get him caught quick and convicted immediately.  BUT he wanted to use that loophole to buy it witohut any record, so he could kill and get away with it.

not a great rallying cry for the pro-loophole crowd.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: TuHolmes on December 19, 2015, 01:07:43 AM
maybe we should kill off stupid people?  is that what you're saying?

of course, i never said guns kill people.  BUT I do agree if you're not willing to put your name on the gun, well, there's a good chance you're a felon, a terrorist, or up to something shady.

This shooter specifically didn't want his name coming up with an AR15 was used to shoot 50 people.  IF IF he got away with it, there'd be no record of him buying it.  A record of it would get him caught quick and convicted immediately.  BUT he wanted to use that loophole to buy it witohut any record, so he could kill and get away with it.

not a great rallying cry for the pro-loophole crowd.

So you are ok with the Government having a single database of ALL guns in the US and who owns them?

What if someone unsavory gets that list? What potential damage could be done with it? Perhaps knowing whose door to break down first?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 19, 2015, 06:18:26 AM
maybe we should kill off stupid people?  is that what you're saying?

of course, i never said guns kill people.  BUT I do agree if you're not willing to put your name on the gun, well, there's a good chance you're a felon, a terrorist, or up to something shady.

This shooter specifically didn't want his name coming up with an AR15 was used to shoot 50 people.  IF IF he got away with it, there'd be no record of him buying it.  A record of it would get him caught quick and convicted immediately.  BUT he wanted to use that loophole to buy it witohut any record, so he could kill and get away with it.

not a great rallying cry for the pro-loophole crowd.

Or maybe you are looking for specific gun that you can't buy anymore from a gun store.

Now you are all over the road, he goes in kills a bunch of people, and gets away with it, but because his name is attached to the gun he will get caught. How exactly is that going to happen, other than him leaving the weapon at the scene, I think you have seen to many episodes of NCIS.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: bears on December 19, 2015, 11:26:15 AM
Buyer was scared to attack anyone.
Shooter was scared to buy a gun thru a dealer.

Without the loophole, there's a chance that shooter doesn't get those rifles.  Sure it was a strawman, but they did use the pvt sale loophole to get the terrorists the guns.  Buyer was scared to break any laws, he thought it was legal. (he admitted strawman sale because he didn't lawyer up - if he had lawyered up, with shooter dead, he could have just said it was a private sale)

I know, everyone wants to hide their guns. 


I think this is a case where you are technically correct, but realistically incorrect.

without the loophole, there's a small, tiny, miniscule, chance that the guy wouldn't get the rifles. 

if a guy wants to kill people with a gun in order to win his eternal salvation.............he's getting a fucking gun.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 19, 2015, 01:23:06 PM
Or maybe you are looking for specific gun that you can't buy anymore from a gun store.

Now you are all over the road, he goes in kills a bunch of people, and gets away with it, but because his name is attached to the gun he will get caught. How exactly is that going to happen, other than him leaving the weapon at the scene, I think you have seen to many episodes of NCIS.

why is this continually going in weird direction of "blame the guns" and "blame a specific gun".

Cause the simple argument - it's LEGAL in 2/3 of the states to sell guns out of your trunk to anyone without an ID - is one that is a little tough for you to defend?

A felon can walk out of prison, go to a gun show, and use his prison earnings to buy ten AK-47s, new in box, an hour later.  No background check, no criminal check, nothing... that bothers me.

And terrorists can buy their long arms and use them and remain UNTRACED because their names aren't on the list of people in that area who have them.  They knew that - they had a buddy buy them, so if/when they go away, nobody would even LOOK at them for it.  imagine that. 
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 19, 2015, 02:29:21 PM
why is this continually going in weird direction of "blame the guns" and "blame a specific gun".

Cause the simple argument - it's LEGAL in 2/3 of the states to sell guns out of your trunk to anyone without an ID - is one that is a little tough for you to defend?

A felon can walk out of prison, go to a gun show, and use his prison earnings to buy ten AK-47s, new in box, an hour later.  No background check, no criminal check, nothing... that bothers me.

And terrorists can buy their long arms and use them and remain UNTRACED because their names aren't on the list of people in that area who have them.  They knew that - they had a buddy buy them, so if/when they go away, nobody would even LOOK at them for it.  imagine that. 

I don't need to fucking defend anything, read the constitution. And if you want .gov to have a "list" of people who have guns, you are dumber than a box of fucking rocks. They already have a super secret no fly list, that is working out well, Ted Kennedy was on it, but he was still in congress...........
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 19, 2015, 03:45:16 PM
read the constitution.

where in the constitution do they mention "right to sell arms to felons"?

Or is this magically a "well, if the constitution doesn't point out something exactly, then it's legal inherently" ?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 19, 2015, 04:37:33 PM
where in the constitution do they mention "right to sell arms to felons"?

Or is this magically a "well, if the constitution doesn't point out something exactly, then it's legal inherently" ?


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Don't see anywhere it says a gun has to be purchased in a gun store.
Don't see anywhere it says I need to provide identification.
Don't see anywhere is say I need a background check.
Don't see anywhere .gov gets to make a "list" of who has guns.

Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 19, 2015, 04:56:21 PM
The constitution doesn't say I cannot have rocket launchers. 

Can I?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: TuHolmes on December 19, 2015, 05:00:58 PM
The constitution doesn't say I cannot have rocket launchers. 

Can I?

Yes. You should.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 19, 2015, 06:08:48 PM
Yes. You should.

ya ever play goldeneye on the N64?

in battle mode, they had remote control rocket launchers... you launched the rocket then could steer it.  I really wish more games at it.  Me and my bro would battle on the "Streets" game board and you could steer a rocket from one side of the block to the other, it was epic.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: TuHolmes on December 19, 2015, 06:14:11 PM
ya ever play goldeneye on the N64?

in battle mode, they had remote control rocket launchers... you launched the rocket then could steer it.  I really wish more games at it.  Me and my bro would battle on the "Streets" game board and you could steer a rocket from one side of the block to the other, it was epic.

Loved that game.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 19, 2015, 06:17:54 PM
Loved that game.

i've flirted with battlefield on PS4 and COD on xbox360.   
son is begging for the new star wars game on xbox one. 

nothing has the attraction of goldeneye on the N64.  I'd buy that game today on any of those platforms if I could find something comparable.  :(
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 19, 2015, 07:04:11 PM
The constitution doesn't say I cannot have rocket launchers. 

Can I?

You do realize the first cannons used in the revolutionary war were privately owned? We should be able to have any weapon the US army has, the whole point of the 2nd amendment is for "we the people" to get rid of a tyrannical government.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 19, 2015, 09:44:18 PM
We should be able to have any weapon the US army has,

think that through. 

Imagine the san bernadino shooters, armed with 50 calibers mounted to their SUV, a handful of grenades, and perhaps some C4...

Oh, and they bought it all legally from the trunk of a car, because that's legal too, no ID needed.

Do ya think the 51 people shot that day were more worried about obama confiscation, or the bad guys with untraceable guns lighting the place up?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: whork on December 20, 2015, 04:46:41 AM
You do realize the first cannons used in the revolutionary war were privately owned? We should be able to have any weapon the US army has, the whole point of the 2nd amendment is for "we the people" to get rid of a tyrannical government.

Why arent you shooting by now? The GOP denied healthcare to the first responders because they would rather use the money for loopholes (for foreign Companies no less).

Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 20, 2015, 06:11:32 AM
think that through. 

Imagine the san bernadino shooters, armed with 50 calibers mounted to their SUV, a handful of grenades, and perhaps some C4...

Oh, and they bought it all legally from the trunk of a car, because that's legal too, no ID needed.

Do ya think the 51 people shot that day were more worried about obama confiscation, or the bad guys with untraceable guns lighting the place up?
There is nothing to think through, I will not give up rights for the illusion of safety. The fucking mentality of people, call the police and wait, hope your turn to be executed does come before they arrive. Yeah the cops got the shooters, after the damage was already done.

Or they could go buy a bunch of fertilizer and some solvent and blow up a building. Or hijack a plane and crash it into buildings, or any thousand other ways to cause death and destruction.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 20, 2015, 07:28:40 AM
We should be able to have any weapon the US army has

What about nuclear bombs?   Should the people have access to this weapon, since the Army does?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 20, 2015, 07:33:21 AM
What about nuclear bombs?   Should the people have access to this weapon, since the Army does?

Sure if they can afford it, why not. How about you stay on target, instead of trying to introduce some ridiculous tangent.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: TuHolmes on December 20, 2015, 07:33:24 AM
What about nuclear bombs?   Should the people have access to this weapon, since the Army does?
i wish.

With failsafes and codes and all of the other stuff that the Feds have. It wouldn't be "less safe".
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: chaos on December 20, 2015, 08:41:44 AM


Cause the simple argument - it's LEGAL in 2/3 of the states to sell guns out of your trunk to anyone without an ID - is one that is a little tough for you to defend?
 
Don't know the exact number, but pretty sure this is bullshit. I know in the state of California, where San Bernardino is, legally you have to take your gun to an FFL for private party transfers. So the fact that those two had the guns anyways was already illegal.

Since you have nothing better to do, you can go here and count the states.
http://smartgunlaws.org/category/state-private-sales-of-guns/

Point being, no matter the law, legal or not, if someone wants to sell/buy a gun, it's VERY easy to do outside of the law. More laws won't change that.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: TuHolmes on December 20, 2015, 10:33:55 AM
Don't know the exact number, but pretty sure this is bullshit. I know in the state of California, where San Bernardino is, legally you have to take your gun to an FFL for private party transfers. So the fact that those two had the guns anyways was already illegal.

Since you have nothing better to do, you can go here and count the states.
http://smartgunlaws.org/category/state-private-sales-of-guns/

Point being, no matter the law, legal or not, if someone wants to sell/buy a gun, it's VERY easy to do outside of the law. More laws won't change that.

Quoted for correctness.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: chaos on December 20, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
Quoted for correctness.
LOL @ Laws ;D
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 20, 2015, 12:55:18 PM
Don't know the exact number, but pretty sure this is bullshit. I know in the state of California, where San Bernardino is, legally you have to take your gun to an FFL for private party transfers. So the fact that those two had the guns anyways was already illegal.

Since you have nothing better to do, you can go here and count the states.
http://smartgunlaws.org/category/state-private-sales-of-guns/

Point being, no matter the law, legal or not, if someone wants to sell/buy a gun, it's VERY easy to do outside of the law. More laws won't change that.

6 states require ID for private sale.  Twelve others have certain restrictions, I think.

laws WILL change it because some sellers don't want to go to prison.

SOME sellers won't do it because they fear ATF traps that will land them in prison.  Many of those selling them at gun shows are rich, successful upper middle class dudes that will NOT sell them to strangers anymore, because they have family, mortgage, etc
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: chaos on December 20, 2015, 01:03:48 PM
6 states require ID for private sale.  Twelve others have certain restrictions, I think.

laws WILL change it because some sellers don't want to go to prison.

SOME sellers won't do it because they fear ATF traps that will land them in prison.  Many of those selling them at gun shows are rich, successful upper middle class dudes that will NOT sell them to strangers anymore, because they have family, mortgage, etc
Are you retarded? Seriously?
1-2 phone calls and theoritically I could have any number of guns I want. It's already the law in California and it didn't stop the muzzies in San Bernardino. And you can't sell them at guns shows in CA without a background check and 10 day wait. So that already proves that the law doesn't work, let's add more laws? LOL
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: TuHolmes on December 20, 2015, 01:33:14 PM
More laws like not killing people?

How's that whole murder law thing working on criminals?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 20, 2015, 01:37:50 PM
Are you retarded? Seriously?
1-2 phone calls and theoritically I could have any number of guns I want. It's already the law in California and it didn't stop the muzzies in San Bernardino. And you can't sell them at guns shows in CA without a background check and 10 day wait. So that already proves that the law doesn't work, let's add more laws? LOL

I go to gun shows all the time.  There are dozens of dudes at every gun show, walking around with signs "Ar-15 for sale, $1500".   If you approach them, they lead you to their car (Or they're already carrying it".   They hand it to you, you had them 15 one-hundred dollar bills, and you walk your separate ways.

Sit around the snack area at any gun show, you see that shit nonstop.   A person can make a good living that way... buy 100 rifles for 100,000.   Sell them all over the next few weeks for 150,000... (just a markup from 1000 to 1500), and VOILA, the dude just legally made $50k per year.  Just for selling on the weekends. 

What kind of people are willing to pay 50% markup on a gun they can buy legally?  ;)

yes, maybe some getbiggers can "hop on the cell" and get their hands on ten AK-47s without using the loophole law, lol, maybe we all know major arms dealers.  but I don't lol.   
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: chaos on December 20, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
I go to gun shows all the time.  There are dozens of dudes at every gun show, walking around with signs "Ar-15 for sale, $1500".   If you approach them, they lead you to their car (Or they're already carrying it".   They hand it to you, you had them 15 one-hundred dollar bills, and you walk your separate ways.

Sit around the snack area at any gun show, you see that shit nonstop.   A person can make a good living that way... buy 100 rifles for 100,000.   Sell them all over the next few weeks for 150,000... (just a markup from 1000 to 1500), and VOILA, the dude just legally made $50k per year.  Just for selling on the weekends. 

What kind of people are willing to pay 50% markup on a gun they can buy legally?  ;)

yes, maybe some getbiggers can "hop on the cell" and get their hands on ten AK-47s without using the loophole law, lol, maybe we all know major arms dealers.  but I don't lol.   

You don't need to know major arms dealers. I bet you could ask 3 of your friends and within a day or two you could get your hands on a gun.
How many of those gunshow loophole guns are used in crimes? I know several people that would pay more for guns just so they don't have to register them, not surprising to me. What surprises me is someone like you who claims to support gun rights, yet constantly looks to add more and stricter gun laws that would only create more law breakers out of honest, law abiding people and do absolutely nothing to increase safety.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 20, 2015, 04:08:02 PM
You don't need to know major arms dealers. I bet you could ask 3 of your friends and within a day or two you could get your hands on a gun.

on "a" gun?   maybe a shit 32 from a kid on a corner?

Under the loophole - I'm able to anonymously buy ten AK47s at Sunday's gun show... IF I have the cash. 

coach posted it... Nationally, 1.4% of gun crimes are traced back to loophole sales.  Who knows how many actually, since most shootings are unsolved with few leaving gun at scene.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: chaos on December 20, 2015, 05:16:46 PM
on "a" gun?   maybe a shit 32 from a kid on a corner?

Under the loophole - I'm able to anonymously buy ten AK47s at Sunday's gun show... IF I have the cash. 

coach posted it... Nationally, 1.4% of gun crimes are traced back to loophole sales.  Who knows how many actually, since most shootings are unsolved with few leaving gun at scene.
If you're looking for a shit 32...
I notice you completely ignored the second half of my post, truth hurt?

How do you think more laws will reduce shootings?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: absfabs on December 20, 2015, 05:24:43 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-san-bernardino-shooters-buried-quiet-funeral-following-003855115.html (http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-san-bernardino-shooters-buried-quiet-funeral-following-003855115.html)

these monsters were buried on American soil and given the 'proper Islamic funeral rites' and processes...

WTF??? they should have been boiled in a vat of left over bacon grease from McDonalds and dropped into the ocean from a helicopter whilst strapped to pig carcasses with a bible and a torah stapled to each hand and a penis drawn on their foreheads!!!

by the way Tashfeen malik or whatever... Scottie Pippen called, he wants his nose back

Preach on brother JOHN!
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 20, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
How do you think more laws will reduce shootings?

More than a decade ago, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold opened fire on their classmates at Columbine High School using a semiautomatic rifle, pistol and shotguns they purchased through acquaintances who had visited a local gun show. There was no required record of the sale and no background check; just an exchange of cash and a handshake.

In March 2010, John Patrick Bedell strolled up to the Pentagon and started shooting at two police officers with a semiautomatic handgun. Months before the attack, he tried to buy a gun in California but was denied, after a background check showed he had a documented history of mental illness. So Bedell instead went to neighboring Nevada, where gun laws are more lenient, and bought a 9mm handgun from a private seller who didn't have to check out his history.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: chaos on December 20, 2015, 09:09:19 PM
More than a decade ago, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold opened fire on their classmates at Columbine High School using a semiautomatic rifle, pistol and shotguns they purchased through acquaintances who had visited a local gun show. There was no required record of the sale and no background check; just an exchange of cash and a handshake.

In March 2010, John Patrick Bedell strolled up to the Pentagon and started shooting at two police officers with a semiautomatic handgun. Months before the attack, he tried to buy a gun in California but was denied, after a background check showed he had a documented history of mental illness. So Bedell instead went to neighboring Nevada, where gun laws are more lenient, and bought a 9mm handgun from a private seller who didn't have to check out his history.
Hahaa!
Thanks for proving my point
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 21, 2015, 09:37:16 AM

A felon can walk out of prison, go to a gun show, and use his prison earnings to buy ten AK-47s, new in box, an hour later.  No background check, no criminal check, nothing... that bothers me.


COMPLETE CRAP...seriously????seriously???? this is the Dem talking point that has been debunked 1884854985348959 times, anyone repeating this crap has zero credibility anymore and needs to have a 'Ready for Hillary' sticker forcefully put on their car
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 21, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
COMPLETE CRAP...seriously????seriously???? this is the Dem talking point that has been debunked 1884854985348959 times, anyone repeating this crap has zero credibility anymore and needs to have a 'Ready for Hillary' sticker forcefully put on their car

1) you said it's complete crap.  Why is it crap?

2) you say this is a dem talking point... in order to discredit it?  Tell me WHAT is inaccurate about what I said.  A felon CAN buy multiple high-end guns quickly, no paperwork, no ID, to background check, using the loophole.  True or false?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Option D on December 21, 2015, 12:11:43 PM
He also bought stuff to make bombs....and your blaming guns! How exactly would u stop a straw purchase. How often have you purchased a gun 240?


This is the problem..no muslims.....
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

shaq is a muslim...
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Dos Equis on December 21, 2015, 12:19:41 PM
shaq is a muslim...

He isn't a part of Radical Islam and hasn't murdered anyone.  Not all Muslims are terrorists. 
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: whork on December 21, 2015, 12:58:31 PM
He isn't a part of Radical Islam and hasn't murdered anyone.  Not all Muslims are terrorists. 

But all terrorists are muslim ;D

Well almost all.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 21, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
1) you said it's complete crap.  Why is it crap?

2) you say this is a dem talking point... in order to discredit it?  Tell me WHAT is inaccurate about what I said.  A felon CAN buy multiple high-end guns quickly, no paperwork, no ID, to background check, using the loophole.  True or false?

background checks are still done at gun shows.

what you are talking about-private sales between individuals- can apply to absolutely anything, not just guns, and there is no possible way to 'regulate' or stop it (see drug dealers for example, drugs and all transactions are already totally illegal) and has nothing whatsoever inherently to do with 'gun shows'.

ive bought lots of guns at gun shows and they have run the standard check on all of them. if you find some guy who will sell his gun in a private transaction with no check, the fact that it is in the building hosting a gunshow is completely arbitrary as the same exact deal could be made anywhere outside the building, parking lot, house, apartment, street corner, parking garage, back yard, park, anywhere on earth.
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 21, 2015, 01:02:09 PM
shaq is a muslim...

I doubt he is and if so, he isn't a real muslim (not orthodox, does not actually follow and live his life according to islam)
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: 240 is Back on December 21, 2015, 02:32:23 PM
He isn't a part of Radical Islam and hasn't murdered anyone.  Not all Muslims are terrorists. 

what % of the 1.6 billion muslims have committed terrorist acts?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Dos Equis on December 21, 2015, 02:47:03 PM
what % of the 1.6 billion muslims have committed terrorist acts?

I have no idea.  What difference does that make?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: chaos on December 21, 2015, 06:50:47 PM
what % of the 1.6 billion muslims have committed terrorist acts?
What % of guns owners have shot someone?
Title: Re: This is why we lose
Post by: Kazan on December 21, 2015, 06:52:50 PM
what % of the 1.6 billion muslims have committed terrorist acts?

Don't know but even if it was 1% that would about 16 million