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instead of buying meat from local producers with good ethics
particularly those who have been exposed to mass production meat and dairy, the black twins, dana bailey husband, etc
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i would buy my pork from these hillbillies instead of eating tofu
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Because they are followers.
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Because they are followers.
This. Sheep.
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Because they suddenly realize that killing those who are weaker then them simply for their pleasure is wrong and cowardly, and that real mean stand up and protect those who are weaker than them and others from selfish cowards who et pleasure from bullying them and harming them.
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Ego
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Ego
True.
It's a great way to take yourself too seriously.
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I don't give a shit unless they lecture me. There are ads here now, everywhere, with a picture of a baby pig that looks like Babe and says "You would not harm him... govegan.ie"
Where the fuck did that leap come from? First off i could stop eating meat and be a vegetarian, but i am straight and have all my teeth. Secondly, i do not care what my food looks like before i eat it, i care how it tastes and how much there is. I believe in sustainable eating, why eat what you like out of existence, but don't tell me how to choose my diet by trying to guilt me. I don't care and it won't work.
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Lost people need direction.
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I don't give a shit unless they lecture me. There are ads here now, everywhere, with a picture of a baby pig that looks like Babe and says "You would not harm him... govegan.ie"
Where the fuck did that leap come from? First off i could stop eating meat and be a vegetarian, but i am straight and have all my teeth. Secondly, i do not care what my food looks like before i eat it, i care how it tastes and how much there is. I believe in sustainable eating, why eat what you like out of existence, but don't tell me how to choose my diet by trying to guilt me. I don't care and it won't work.
Fuck em.
You eat what you want. It's your body.
Why do people give a shit what you put in your body.
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Fuck em.
You eat what you want. It's your body.
Why do people give a shit what you put in your body.
I get health campaigns/public awareness. Let people know trans-fats are bad, eating a balanced diet is good, and then leave it to health insurance/medical costs to fuck you over for transgressing these.
Otherwise, let people drink paint and, as happens, eat cars to get in Guinness book of world records. Let them die, I don't care, they can be stupid, same as people can drink whey and you can say it does not work or will harm kidneys (bollox) just don't tell me...
If being a vegan is good for you, and beneficial for the earth (let's say) why do you need to guilt people? It is a tired and shitty way of swaying opinion and does not work.
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I get health campaigns/public awareness. Let people know trans-fats are bad, eating a balanced diet is good, and then leave it to health insurance/medical costs to fuck you over for transgressing these.
Otherwise, let people drink paint and, as happens, eat cars to get in Guinness book of world records. Let them die, I don't care, they can be stupid, same as people can drink whey and you can say it does not work or will harm kidneys (bollox) just don't tell me...
If being a vegan is good for you, and beneficial for the earth (let's say) why do you need to guilt people? It is a tired and shitty way of swaying opinion and does not work.
It's their sanctimoniousness, not the diet. Nobody gives a crap what anyone puts in the mouth and poops out.
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I agree with both of you.
I hate that shit.
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It's their sanctimoniousness, not the diet. Nobody gives a crap what anyone puts in the mouth and poops out.
I had to think back recently to any vegans I knew and last I knew (openly) was my old physics/maths teacher. He was a great teacher, I did well in all his classes and he mentioned it as an aside cos he talked to me but never bitched or preached about it. Always smelled of alchohol but that's potatoes for you eh? ;D
Like most things, say what you think/believe just don't try convert/guilt everyone... (like people here re hell - hint: that does not mean anything to atheists).
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Eating meat helped the modern human brain evolve. Perhaps they want to de-evolve.
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I had to think back recently to any vegans I knew and last I knew (openly) was my old physics/maths teacher. He was a great teacher, I did well in all his classes and he mentioned it as an aside cos he talked to me but never bitched or preached about it. Always smelled of alchohol but that's potatoes for you eh? ;D
Like most things, say what you think/believe just don't try convert/guilt everyone... (like people here re hell - hint: that does not mean anything to atheists).
I have the same criticism of anyone who attempts to externalize personal beliefs. Worship a Flying Spaghetti Monster if it flats your boat, just STFU about it.
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I have the same criticism of anyone who attempts to externalize personal beliefs. Worship a Flying Spaghetti Monster if it flats your boat, just STFU about it.
Exactly.
In this cae this was especially true. He taught physics and his brother worked in a nuclear power plant even though he was morally opposed to anything that could lead to nuclear weapons (fair enough). Never let his beliefs intrude on teaching and laughed off any time we would take piss (it was a semi-informal relationship with him for the better students, I was his favourite ;D ).
Being Vegan is so extreme - no leather bound books, no wool, no eggs, no milk, no meat (obv), no cashmere scarves designed by Gucci. Bar the taking piss at last part, that is half my lifestyle gone. Also limits choice of cars.
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Exactly.
In this cae this was especially true. He taught physics and his brother worked in a nuclear power plant even though he was morally opposed to anything that could lead to nuclear weapons (fair enough). Never let his beliefs intrude on teaching and laughed off any time we would take piss (it was a semi-informal relationship with him for the better students, I was his favourite ;D ).
Being Vegan is so extreme - no leather bound books, no wool, no eggs, no milk, no meat (obv), no cashmere scarves designed by Gucci. Bar the taking piss at last part, that is half my lifestyle gone. Also limits choice of cars.
I think those that can be this strict, its pretty impressive and i commend them for going all the way. Much more impressive than the coworker or family member we all know who loves saying how she/he is christian, awkwardly drills you about your beliefs in innapropriate settings like work, but decides when and how far to go with their own christianity based on how conveienent it is for them. You know the type; complains about gay people getting married, while they cheat, lie, gossip, all day long.
I didnt even think about the stuff you mentioned when it comes to being vegan, which makes it that much harder now lol. I try real hard to only eat meat if and when i know where its from, which is impossible when u eat out or see friends. So , i have been eating as vegan/vegetarian as possible. I never even tell people about it, its not important. The vegans and veges i know, never really mention it either so i have no experience with the talking vegan head who preaches. That would indicate a sociopath, and i dont know any of them (luckily).
However, where i live, i DO hear all day everyday how "christian" someone is. They loooove talking about that.
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Eating meat helped the modern human brain evolve. Perhaps they want to de-evolve.
Not true.
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I get health campaigns/public awareness. Let people know trans-fats are bad, eating a balanced diet is good, and then leave it to health insurance/medical costs to fuck you over for transgressing these.
Otherwise, let people drink paint and, as happens, eat cars to get in Guinness book of world records. Let them die, I don't care, they can be stupid, same as people can drink whey and you can say it does not work or will harm kidneys (bollox) just don't tell me...
If being a vegan is good for you, and beneficial for the earth (let's say) why do you need to guilt people? It is a tired and shitty way of swaying opinion and does not work.
Why you need to guilt people? Well obviously if they are doing bad stuff to others and seem to show no apparent guilt then you need to make them realise what they are doing is wrong. Whether is raping kids or killing animals for pleasure etc. None of it is nice and it need to be pointed out and stopped.
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I think it's just the latest hipster fad.
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Why you need to guilt people? Well obviously if they are doing bad stuff to others and seem to show no apparent guilt then you need to make them realise what they are doing is wrong. Whether is raping kids or killing animals for pleasure etc. None of it is nice and it need to be pointed out and stopped.
You just compared eating sustenance to raping children and killing animals for fun.
Way to go off the rails quick
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I catch and eat fish, that's my main source of protein.
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I eat at least one chicken per day.
I have for the past 10 years.
So that means I have eaten 3650 chickens.
That's pretty cool.
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You just compared eating sustenance to raping children and killing animals for fun.
Way to go off the rails quick
They are both hurting others for your pleasure. What's the difference?
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They are both hurting others for your pleasure. What's the difference?
One is a physiological requirement that has been passed through time. the other is for "fun".
They are not even close.
Really. Neither is "fun", but one keeps you alive and the other is fucking sick.
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I reckon I could do a vegan diet for a month but I'd get meat cravings after that. Nine times out of ten, dishes that contain meat will be more appetizing than those that don't.
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They are both hurting others for your pleasure. What's the difference?
Your a fucking idiot, no wonder every fucker hates vegetarians and thinks they are pathetic pieces of shit.
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I like making mushroom burgers.
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Just another fucking fad.....I`m gonna` have a bacon cheeseburger later today in their honor.
Can you say "sheeple" ?
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Just another fucking fad.....I`m gonna` have a bacon cheeseburger later today in their honor.
Can you say "sheeple" ?
But weren't you all sheeple when you were on GH15's board? Just sayin' :D :D ;D ;D
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But weren't you all sheeple when you were on GH15's board? Just sayin' :D :D ;D ;D
Don`t make me have to pull out my gun bro! :D
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Don`t make me have to pull out my gun bro! :D
Calm down, Wes. Take your gf (below) out for a nice dinner.
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One is a physiological requirement that has been passed through time. the other is for "fun".
They are not even close.
Really. Neither is "fun", but one keeps you alive and the other is fucking sick.
The point is that eating other's flesh and killing innocent lives is not in fact needed to keep you alive. Rather, whether you admit it or not, you are harming others to eat them because it gives you pleasure. Pleasure derived from harming others. Just like a poedifile who claims he "needs" to rape little boys and girls ...
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The point is that eating other's flesh and killing innocent lives is not in fact needed to keep you alive. Rather, whether you admit it or not, you are harming others to eat them because it gives you pleasure. Pleasure derived from harming others. Just like a poedifile who claims he "needs" to rape little boys and girls ...
You are smoking crack.
Hope this helps.
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Stupid comment. And no that response is of no help to the many beings that you cause to suffer, you idiot coward.
Tell us, why do you think it's right to hurt others so you can derive pleasure in eating their flesh?
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I followed the advices of marty champions
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They are both hurting others for your pleasure. What's the difference?
Eating is a need first, a pleasure second.
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Eating is a need first, a pleasure second.
Yes. But eating others and hurting and killing them - for humans that is a choice, not a need.
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Yes. But eating others and hurting and killing them - for humans that is a choice, not a need.
I can't get too many calories eating leaves if I am in a jungle or the plains. I evolved from that so I like meat cos it is high calorie and nutritious. I could be a vegetarian, possibly, and supplement my diet cos it would be unnatural.
Why is eating meat an issue? Do you lecture lions or dolphins who eat fish? Chimps are omnivores, lecture them.
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True.
It's a great way to take yourself too seriously.
I just ate some lettuce and suddenly feel the urge to upload a video.
Maybe some superfluous rant about how crunchy it was..
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People tell themselves it's healthier when it's not.
And people always want to look younger and more fresh. It's means by survival to look attractive to the opposite sex. Finding a partner and reproduce.
/Naturalman
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I just ate some lettuce and suddenly feel the urge to upload a video.
Maybe some superfluous rant about how crunchy it was..
Well, where's the vid???
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How to post this link properly? It's worth watching. Explains much more than can be typed here.
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How to post this link properly? It's worth watching. Explains much more than can be typed here.
That guy has man boobs from too many nuts.
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Stupid comment. And no that response is of no help to the many beings that you cause to suffer, you idiot coward.
Tell us, why do you think it's right to hurt others so you can derive pleasure in eating their flesh?
Evolution.
I can eat meat AND plants and get every nutrient needed.
You will inevitably need a vitamin supplement if you are Vegan.
You are saying that only killing things with flesh is wrong.
Like plants are not also living things?
They have been proven to show something similar to pain in studies. So it's ok to harm living plants but not things of meat.
I get it.
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I've cut out animal products from my diet out of health concerns.
The environmental argument is a little compelling, don't know how accurate the propaganda is though.
Its only normal for people to react to an alternate principle with hostility (see 90% of the responses in thus thread). I used to react the same way, now I'd rather just see for myself. Beats making braindead arguments about 'evolution' and 'vitamin supplements' anyway.
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I've cut out animal products from my diet out of health concerns.
The environmental argument is a little compelling, don't know how accurate the propaganda is though.
Its only normal for people to react to an alternate principle with hostility (see 90% of the responses in thus thread). I used to react the same way, now I'd rather just see for myself. Beats making braindead arguments about 'evolution' and 'vitamin supplements' anyway.
Jesus fuck Christ, what do you "think" is wrong with you now? ???
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Jesus fuck Christ, what do you "think" is wrong with you now? ???
Dont worry, i know its not rational :D
I planned to switch back several times (most recently at the end of the year), but I keep deciding to push it back.
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Evolution.
I can eat meat AND plants and get every nutrient needed.
You will inevitably need a vitamin supplement if you are Vegan.
You are saying that only killing things with flesh is wrong.
Like plants are not also living things?
They have been proven to show something similar to pain in studies. So it's ok to harm living plants but not things of meat.
I get it.
If you eat a balanced diet you won't need any supplement. But even if you did, you could buy a multivitamine tablet.
Plants don't have feelings. They don't have a sense of consciousness. It's idiotic to use a belief that "plants have feeling too" to justify the abuse, torture, exploitation and murder of animals. Come on and think sensibly...
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How vegans think.
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If you eat a balanced diet you won't need any supplement. But even if you did, you could buy a multivitamine tablet.
Plants don't have feelings. They don't have a sense of consciousness. It's idiotic to use a belief that "plants have feeling too" to justify the abuse, torture, exploitation and murder of animals. Come on and think sensibly...
Try yelling and cursing at a plant for 1 week. And see what happens.
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I've cut out animal products from my diet out of health concerns.
The environmental argument is a little compelling, don't know how accurate the propaganda is though.
Its only normal for people to react to an alternate principle with hostility (see 90% of the responses in thus thread). I used to react the same way, now I'd rather just see for myself. Beats making braindead arguments about 'evolution' and 'vitamin supplements' anyway.
I did it out of moral concerns, realizing that there was no way I could justify continuing to hurt others.
But the health benefits have been great. Lost around 5kg initially but that stabilised. Energy levels and strength went through the roof and overall wellbeing is great.
Unlike some vegans who are "grossed out" by dead animal flesh, much like a poedifile trying to suppress his urges but not act on them, I still actually do enjoy the taste of meat - a good steak etc. But morally it cannot be justified (unless the animal has been accidentally killed). Sometimes is someone has meat left over I might eat that, justifying it by knowing that it would otherwise have been thrown away.
From a health perspective it's beyond argument the we eat, as a society much much much more than is "needed" (and quite arguable that it's not needed at all).
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I did it out of moral concerns, realizing that there was no way I could justify continuing to hurt others.
But the health benefits have been great. Lost around 5kg initially but that stabilised. Energy levels and strength went through the roof and overall wellbeing is great.
Unlike some vegans who are "grossed out" by dead animal flesh, much like a poedifile trying to suppress his urges but not act on them, I still actually do enjoy the taste of meat - a good steak etc. But morally it cannot be justified (unless the animal has been accidentally killed). Sometimes is someone has meat left over I might eat that, justifying it by knowing that it would otherwise have been thrown away.
From a health perspective it's beyond argument the we eat, as a society much much much more than is "needed" (and quite arguable that it's not needed at all).
So you are a hypocrite.
Got it.
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I did it out of moral concerns, realizing that there was no way I could justify continuing to hurt others.
But the health benefits have been great. Lost around 5kg initially but that stabilised. Energy levels and strength went through the roof and overall wellbeing is great.
Unlike some vegans who are "grossed out" by dead animal flesh, much like a poedifile trying to suppress his urges but not act on them, I still actually do enjoy the taste of meat - a good steak etc. But morally it cannot be justified (unless the animal has been accidentally killed). Sometimes is someone has meat left over I might eat that, justifying it by knowing that it would otherwise have been thrown away.
From a health perspective it's beyond argument the we eat, as a society much much much more than is "needed" (and quite arguable that it's not needed at all).
The Inca's and other mesoamericans had a diet that revolved around maize. This caused health issues due to carbs/sugar. I believe Indians (from India) have diabetic issues due to the carbs/sugar from their mostly vegan type diets. Correct me if I am wrong.
Pure carnivorism and pure veganism are extremes, and extremism is bad. What is good is moderation, the middle.
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So you are a hypocrite.
Got it.
No. I'm being honest.
But please explain how is this being a hypocrite?
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No. I'm being honest.
But please explain how is this being a hypocrite?
You are saying how eating meat is a moral choice and you choose to not do it, but yet you do it anyway and convince yourself that it's ok because it would go to waste.
If you have to convince yourself that something wrong is ok, that's hypocritical as hell.
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It's not about not eating meat. It's about not harming others to fulfill this desire.
If a being has already been killed then rather than having its body parts thrown away I think it's ok to make use of them. But I don't think it's right to kill others in the first place simply to satisfy the totally selfish desire of eating them.
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So by your logic, it's ok to eat the meat because I get it at the grocery store and it's already dead.
Don't want it to go to waste after all.
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So by your logic, it's ok to eat the meat because I get it at the grocery store and it's already dead.
Don't want it to go to waste after all.
Classic example of a stupid person trying to make an intelligent argument. I'll let you think about it a little and work it out ...
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Classic example of a stupid person trying to make an intelligent argument. I'll let you think about it a little and work it out ...
So you have no response except "Well you're stupid."
I'll take that.
You see your false logic, but you won't admit it. It's cool.
Enjoy your vegan lifestyle.
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I'll give you a little clue to help work it out...
Supply and demand.
Stop the demand and then supply will stop also.
This applies whether it's elephant ivory, Japanese whale killings, monkey laboratory experiments, animal butchery.
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Please don't.
You are not going to convince enough people to not eat meat to stop the demand for the supply so your "point" that you are trying so hard to make is ridiculous.
In the US, vegans are 1.9% of the population. So please please tell me you are going to get that number up to double digits sometime.
Meat is going to always be eat. To try to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
Again, you're just convincing yourself you aren't a hypocrite, but really, you are. Sorry man, but that's just reality.
If you were truly completely as good as you claim, you wouldn't eat it no matter what.
I have a friend, she's a Vegan.
She NEVER eats meat. She's also not an uptight bitch about it. We eat PB&Js and tomato soup when we grab lunch. It's fine, but she knows I would never do that on a regular basis.
Also, please stop trying to compare pedophilia to eating meat. It completely renders your point moot because on NO level is even remotely the same... no matter how much you wish it was.
I worry about someone who can actually compare the two actually. It's a bit off.
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Please don't.
You are not going to convince enough people to not eat meat to stop the demand for the supply so your "point" that you are trying so hard to make is ridiculous.
In the US, vegans are 1.9% of the population. So please please tell me you are going to get that number up to double digits sometime.
Meat is going to always be eat. To try to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
Again, you're just convincing yourself you aren't a hypocrite, but really, you are. Sorry man, but that's just reality.
If you were truly completely as good as you claim, you wouldn't eat it no matter what.
I have a friend, she's a Vegan.
She NEVER eats meat. She's also not an uptight bitch about it. We eat PB&Js and tomato soup when we grab lunch. It's fine, but she knows I would never do that on a regular basis.
Also, please stop trying to compare pedophilia to eating meat. It completely renders your point moot because on NO level is even remotely the same... no matter how much you wish it was.
I worry about someone who can actually compare the two actually. It's a bit off.
Sorry man. Just because you have a vegan as a friend, it doesn't make it any more right morally for you to eat meat. That's a bit like saying it's ok to be racist as I have a black friend.
Nor does the fact that many people in the US eat meat make it morally right do to so. That's a but like nazies in Germany saying that because the majority supported killing Jews it was right to do so.
And just because you say you couldn't never stop eating meat on regular basis does not make it morally right either. That's like a poedifile justifying his rapes because he "could never stop".
Let me ask you, on what basis do you think it's right to kill others for your selfish pleasure? Don't you think us big tough get bigges should be standing up for the weak and try to prevent abuse of those weaker than ourselves? (Whether it's animals, kids, the elderly etc).
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Sorry man. Just because you have a vegan as a friend, it doesn't make it any more right morally for you to eat meat. That's a bit like saying it's ok to be racist as I have a black friend.
Nor does the fact that many people in the US eat meat make it morally right do to so. That's a but like nazies in Germany saying that because the majority supported killing Jews it was right to do so.
And just because you say you couldn't never stop eating meat on regular basis does not make it morally right either. That's like a poedifile justifying his rapes because he "could never stop".
Let me ask you, on what basis do you think it's right to kill others for your selfish pleasure? Don't you think us big tough get bigges should be standing up for the weak and try to prevent abuse of those weaker than ourselves? (Whether it's animals, kids, the elderly etc).
Seriously man... comparing eating meat with pedophilia is quite disturbing.
How you can even make that connection says a lot about you.
It's not my job to protect anyone but my family.
Comparing people to wild animals is just simply not the same. No matter how much you wish it to be.
My point in mentioning my Vegan friend isn't to act like I'm cool be cause I have one or not be "racist" as you say... It's to simply say that she would think you're a preachy lunatic.
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Seriously man... comparing eating meat with pedophilia is quite disturbing.
How you can even make that connection says a lot about you.
It's not my job to protect anyone but my family.
Comparing people to wild animals is just simply not the same. No matter how much you wish it to be.
My point in mentioning my Vegan friend isn't to act like I'm cool be cause I have one or not be "racist" as you say... It's to simply say that she would think you're a preachy lunatic.
Wtf?? These people are fucking weirdos!! :o
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Meat is going to always be eat. To try to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
I wouldn't be so sure. While I don't think vegans will ever change anything, synthetic food is already pretty much interchangeable with 'the real thing' in many contexts. Farming cows and stuff is a pretty ridiculously convoluted task. I think we'll have more efficient processes in place soon, and on a large scale. Hell, the 'meat crumbles' I ate tonight were cheaper than some types of ground beef, and I'm willing to bet the average person wouldn't know the difference in a prepared dish.
I wouldn't be surprised if eating real meat became something of a hobby for eccentrics/rich in the near-ish future.
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I wouldn't be so sure. While I don't think vegans will ever change anything, synthetic food is already pretty much interchangeable with 'the real thing' in many contexts. Farming cows and stuff is a pretty ridiculously convoluted task. I think we'll have more efficient processes in place soon, and on a large scale. Hell, the 'meat crumbles' I ate tonight were cheaper than some types of ground beef, and I'm willing to bet the average person wouldn't know the difference in a prepared dish.
I wouldn't be surprised if eating real meat became something of a hobby for eccentrics/rich in the near-ish future.
The problem with veganism at the moment is that since it's only followed by a small percentile, not many places cater properly for it. If vegan alternatives were more easily accessible and mainstream, I think many (including myself) would make the switch.
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instead of buying meat from local producers with good ethics
particularly those who have been exposed to mass production meat and dairy, the black twins, dana bailey husband, etc
Vegans rarely take reality and priorities into consideration.
Majority of them are suburban upper class kids that have the time and money (parents money) to be filling their pantries with meat alternative's and pounding out their own nut butter, just so they can laud over everyone else for the most part.
Make the vegan lifestyle as cheap and convenient as the mainstay, garuntee the veg and fruit isn't being stolen, mass produced by underpaid third world slaves that get their land polluted and i'd have no problem converting.
There is no positive without negative, we have a responsibility to our kind and our families before chickens and sheep.
We're all totally fucked at the end of the day anyway.
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I don`t care to see the slaughter,but still I eat the meat! ;)
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instead of buying meat from local producers with good ethics
particularly those who have been exposed to mass production meat and dairy, the black twins, dana bailey husband, etc
some people go vegan after inhaling a lot of paint fumes and taking weed from strippers mixed with PCP
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So you have no response except "Well you're stupid."
I'll take that.
You see your false logic, but you won't admit it. It's cool.
Enjoy your vegan lifestyle.
Yeah, his argument makes absolutely no sense. If he's so extreme in comparing pedophiles to meat eaters his argument basically comes out to saying cannibilism is wrong but if the body is lying there I guess I'll eat it so it doesn't go to waste. Probably takes home leftovers of his friends at restaurants and freezes them, then takes them out for a treat once on awhile.
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I wouldn't be so sure. While I don't think vegans will ever change anything, synthetic food is already pretty much interchangeable with 'the real thing' in many contexts. Farming cows and stuff is a pretty ridiculously convoluted task. I think we'll have more efficient processes in place soon, and on a large scale. Hell, the 'meat crumbles' I ate tonight were cheaper than some types of ground beef, and I'm willing to bet the average person wouldn't know the difference in a prepared dish.
I wouldn't be surprised if eating real meat became something of a hobby for eccentrics/rich in the near-ish future.
I agree.
I would LOVE synthetic meat, lab grown. You could have the most perfect cut of beef on demand without any harm to animals. The problem though is it would harm rural America because their economies are built on farming.