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U.S. jobless claims have reached a 42 year low according to the Labor Dept. state unemployment claims have dropped to levels not seen since 1973..we are now basically at FULL EMPLOYMENT with the UE rate at 5.0% 8)
More info which will make the Obama haters cry :'(
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/u-jobless-claims-near-42-135654454.html
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From Forbes
Since Barack Obama entered the Oval Office in January of 2009,the percentage of the working age population actually part of the labor force (either working or looking for work) has plummeted by 3 percentage points – to 62.7%. Not since early 1978 has such a low proportion of the working-age population been in the labor force. In effect, the labor force is 7.4 million smaller than it otherwise would have been had people either not stopped looking for work or, particularly with the case of younger Americans, simply failed to start looking for work. In effect, nearly as many Americans have either left the work force – or never entered – in this recovery than have found a job. That’s a very distressing trend. It also explains the big dive in the official unemployment rate to 5.9%.
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From Forbes
Since Barack Obama entered the Oval Office in January of 2009,the percentage of the working age population actually part of the labor force (either working or looking for work) has plummeted by 3 percentage points – to 62.7%. Not since early 1978 has such a low proportion of the working-age population been in the labor force. In effect, the labor force is 7.4 million smaller than it otherwise would have been had people either not stopped looking for work or, particularly with the case of younger Americans, simply failed to start looking for work. In effect, nearly as many Americans have either left the work force – or never entered – in this recovery than have found a job. That’s a very distressing trend. It also explains the big dive in the official unemployment rate to 5.9%.
First off..this is an old article..UE is now 5.0....second, I guess its now Obama's fault that people don't want to work???????????????????????
Also the labor participation rate in this country has been going down for the last 50 years and will continue to go down after Obama leaves pofice....so why is this his fault????????????????????????????????????
I WONDER WHY SOME PEOPLE JUST CANT GIVE OBAMA CREDIT???????..... he;s destroying all the haters left and right
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acutally if you count workers who have given up unempolyment is 25-35%
Obama an dems just count thing differently!
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acutally if you count workers who have given up unempolyment is 25-35%
Obama an dems just count thing differently!
Again.....laughter over here over your comment...Obama and the Dems DO NOT COUNT ANYTHING...the dept. of Labor compiles the stats and they are independent of government.......they count the same under the Dems that they do under the Repubs
SORRY
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If you think the Dept of Labor is independent of Obama's shitbags then...well I guess they're as independent as the IRS was when they weren't targeting the Tea Party...really dude you're an idiot.
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If you think the Dept of Labor is independent of Obama's shitbags then...well I guess they're as independent as the IRS was when they weren't targeting the Tea Party...really dude you're an idiot.
wow...the things you guys think Obama is responsible for and can control is scary......I now truly believe that there is essentially no reasoning with you guys......Obama has you guys paranoid...which maybe is a good thing....Obama is destroying you guy's minds!!! ;D
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Americantism is strong in this thread
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wow...the things you guys think Obama is responsible for and can control is scary......I now truly believe that there is essentially no reasoning with you guys......Obama has you guys paranoid...which maybe is a good thing....Obama is destroying you guy's minds!!! ;D
I watched Lois Lerner go after the tea party..I watched the DOJ go after a small town cop outside of St Louis...they went after Dinesh D'Souza for absolutely nothing...because he did a doco that ol barry didn't like...that's 3. The guy is a thin skinned piece of shit. To be honest you wouldn't need to post this crap if things were really all that good. Its some kind of mental exercise of self affirmation that you supported a guy cause he was black, has failed, made things worse and you just can't deal with it.
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I watched Lois Lerner go after the tea party..I watched the DOJ go after a small town cop outside of St Louis...they went after Dinesh D'Souza for absolutely nothing...because he did a doco that ol barry didn't like...that's 3. The guy is a thin skinned piece of shit. To be honest you wouldn't need to post this crap if things were really all that good. Its some kind of mental exercise of self affirmation that you supported a guy cause he was black, has failed, made things worse and you just can't deal with it.
this is so pitiful.......please go to the nearest Vet hospital and get checked out
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this is so pitiful.......please go to the nearest Vet hospital and get checked out
it is like reading the writings of a lunatic, he literally thinks the POTUS is selectively targeting people specifically, lolol. The IRS thing was in fact correct, the IRS properly scrutinized the tea party groups, who were in actuality scamming.
It had nothing to do with Obama.
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it is like reading the writings of a lunatic, he literally thinks the POTUS is selectively targeting people specifically, lolol. The IRS thing was in fact correct, the IRS properly scrutinized the tea party groups, who were in actuality scamming.
It had nothing to do with Obama.
You really have to be a special kinda stupid to believe there was no targeting by the IRS. Lois Lerner's behavior, scrubbing hard drives, physically damaging hard drives, emails amongst alias accounts, etc. The list really goes on, and any one person not honest enough to acknowledge something is off there truly has their head up their ass. I made you look pretty stupid on the other thread, but I have to say this is probably the dumbest thing you've ever posted on this forum, and that is saying a lot given your list.
That is in no way blaming obama. It was specifically addressing your comment about the IRS's behavior being correct.
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it is like reading the writings of a lunatic, he literally thinks the POTUS is selectively targeting people specifically, lolol. The IRS thing was in fact correct, the IRS properly scrutinized the tea party groups, who were in actuality scamming.
It had nothing to do with Obama.
exactly...by his reasoning, that means Barack Obama told the FBI to go after Hillary :D
Also ANYTIME the IRS goes after someone that can be construed as "targeting" :D
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exactly...by his reasoning, that means Barack Obama told the FBI to go after Hillary :D
Also ANYTIME ther IRS goes after someone that an be construed as "targeting" :D
Hush now. You have to allow him some delusions to keep his tears at bay.
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Hush now. You have to allow him some delusions to keep his tears at bay.
you know, you're absolutely right.,....my bad
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this is so pitiful.......please go to the nearest Vet hospital and get checked out
How about you libs go fuck yourselves. Do you not watch the news....why exactly did lerner take the 5th...hmmm. Obama is a piece of shit and you all just can't deal with it
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How about you libs go fuck yourselves. Do you not watch the news....why exactly did lerner take the 5th...hmmm. Obama is a piece of shit and you all just can't deal with it
RAMADI FELL TODAY!!!!....The Iraqi army took back Ramadi with U.S. help and training....surely as a military man this is good news for you??? :D :D :D
THANKS OBAMA!!!!!!!!!
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OH its great.....2 years later. A good buddy of mine got blown up in there in 2007. An Iranian EFP blew him out of his M1 hatch and roasted his crew. He lost both his legs...you know....the Iranians...same guys Obama just made a big nuke deal with. I shit on all of you Obama lovers.
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You really have to be a special kinda stupid to believe there was no targeting by the IRS. Lois Lerner's behavior, scrubbing hard drives, physically damaging hard drives, emails amongst alias accounts, etc. The list really goes on, and any one person not honest enough to acknowledge something is off there truly has their head up their ass. I made you look pretty stupid on the other thread, but I have to say this is probably the dumbest thing you've ever posted on this forum, and that is saying a lot given your list.
That is in no way blaming obama. It was specifically addressing your comment about the IRS's behavior being correct.
you making me look stupid would be impossible, so that's a non-starter. I forgot who you were for a second there lol.
as usual you are completely wrong.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/22/donna-brazile/donna-brazile-no-conspiracy-here-irs-targeted-libe/
"The only lie here is to lie that I think conservatives are telling and saying that somehow another this was a conspiracy against conservatives," Brazile said. "(The IRS) also investigated liberal groups, groups that have progressive in their name, groups that had Israel in its name. So the IRS was basically looking at everybody because they were trying to figure out where all of this fake, phony, secretive money was flowing in the last election cycle."
So Obama targets right wing groups using his singular control, meanwhile just as many left leaning groups were scrutinized, this was evidence of not control by Obama, but that he is lazy and missed these items as usual.
This sums up your intellect
"But now, almost two months later, we know that in fact the IRS targeted lots of different kinds of groups, not just conservative ones; that the only organizations whose tax-exempt statuses were actually denied were progressive ones; that many of the targeted conservative groups legitimately crossed the line; that the IG’s report was limited to only Tea Party groups at congressional Republicans’ request; and that the White House was in no way involved in the targeting and didn’t even know about it until shortly before the public did.
This is all a lie of course ::) and obama is a muslim.
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you making me look stupid would be impossible, so that's a non-starter. I forgot who you were for a second there lol.
as usual you are completely wrong.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/22/donna-brazile/donna-brazile-no-conspiracy-here-irs-targeted-libe/
"The only lie here is to lie that I think conservatives are telling and saying that somehow another this was a conspiracy against conservatives," Brazile said. "(The IRS) also investigated liberal groups, groups that have progressive in their name, groups that had Israel in its name. So the IRS was basically looking at everybody because they were trying to figure out where all of this fake, phony, secretive money was flowing in the last election cycle."
So Obama targets right wing groups using his singular control, meanwhile just as many left leaning groups were scrutinized, this was evidence of not control by Obama, but that he is lazy and missed these items as usual.
This sums up your intellect
"But now, almost two months later, we know that in fact the IRS targeted lots of different kinds of groups, not just conservative ones; that the only organizations whose tax-exempt statuses were actually denied were progressive ones; that many of the targeted conservative groups legitimately crossed the line; that the IG’s report was limited to only Tea Party groups at congressional Republicans’ request; and that the White House was in no way involved in the targeting and didn’t even know about it until shortly before the public did.
This is all a lie of course ::) and obama is a muslim.
After the full blown meltdown you had and your thread dedicated to me, everyone knows you know exactly who I am.
You need to read the bottom of the article you posted. I know I spook you when I post, but you should read the entirety of the article to see if it supports your case before posting it
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OH its great.....2 years later. A good buddy of mine got blown up in there in 2007. An Iranian EFP blew him out of his M1 hatch and roasted his crew. He lost both his legs...you know....the Iranians...same guys Obama just made a big nuke deal with. I shit on all of you Obama lovers.
Aren't you proud of him for putting your tax dollars to good use?
Grunts are made for dying. That's the military. That's war.
America. Fuck yeah.
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After the full blown meltdown you had and your thread dedicated to me, everyone knows you know exactly who I am.
You need to read the bottom of the article you posted. I know I spook you when I post, but you should read the entirety of the article to see if it supports your case before posting it
No, I honestly completely forgot, you and dario, and tony etc all run together on me, you are a right wing nutter, that's all I need to know.
I did read the article, are you perhaps suggesting the bottom of the first article which is then debunked by the follow up posted right below it, the one in which I quoted for you directly, I will do it for you again.
"But now, almost two months later, we know that in fact the IRS targeted lots of different kinds of groups, not just conservative ones; that the only organizations whose tax-exempt statuses were actually denied were progressive ones; that many of the targeted conservative groups legitimately crossed the line; that the IG’s report was limited to only Tea Party groups at congressional Republicans’ request; and that the White House was in no way involved in the targeting and didn’t even know about it until shortly before the public did.
This is in reference to the part you are referring to, how embarrassing, only one idiot enjoys this type of beatdown.
You are a glutton for punishment, claiming obama is a muslim, now claiming that the IRS was used by Obama LOL. I said specifically targeting,I know comprehension is an issue. Your post LOL.
"You really have to be a special kinda stupid to believe there was no targeting by the IRS. Lois Lerner's behavior, scrubbing hard drives, physically damaging hard drives, emails amongst alias accounts, etc. The list really goes on, and any one person not honest enough to acknowledge something is off there truly has their head up their ass. I made you look pretty stupid on the other thread, but I have to say this is probably the dumbest thing you've ever posted on this forum, and that is saying a lot given your list.
LOLOLOL
"that the only organizations whose tax-exempt statuses were actually denied were progressive ones; that many of the targeted conservative groups legitimately crossed the line; that the IG’s report was limited to only Tea Party groups at congressional Republicans’ request; and that the White House was in no way involved in the targeting and didn’t even know about it until shortly before the public did."
The only orgs were LEFT leaning yet you believe that the IRS targeted right wing groups, and that this is somehow relate to Obama?
Obama the muslim jihadist that uses the IRS as his personal tool, lol.
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No, I honestly completely forgot, you and dario, and tony etc all run together on me, you are a right wing nutter, that's all I need to know.
I did read the article, are you perhaps suggesting the bottom of the first article which is then debunked by the follow up posted right below it, the one in which I quoted for you directly, I will do it for you again.
"But now, almost two months later, we know that in fact the IRS targeted lots of different kinds of groups, not just conservative ones; that the only organizations whose tax-exempt statuses were actually denied were progressive ones; that many of the targeted conservative groups legitimately crossed the line; that the IG’s report was limited to only Tea Party groups at congressional Republicans’ request; and that the White House was in no way involved in the targeting and didn’t even know about it until shortly before the public did.
This is in reference to the part you are referring to, how embarrassing, only one idiot enjoys this type of beatdown.
You are a glutton for punishment, claiming obama is a muslim, now claiming that the IRS was used by Obama LOL. I said specifically targeting,I know comprehension is an issue. Your post LOL.
"You really have to be a special kinda stupid to believe there was no targeting by the IRS. Lois Lerner's behavior, scrubbing hard drives, physically damaging hard drives, emails amongst alias accounts, etc. The list really goes on, and any one person not honest enough to acknowledge something is off there truly has their head up their ass. I made you look pretty stupid on the other thread, but I have to say this is probably the dumbest thing you've ever posted on this forum, and that is saying a lot given your list.
LOLOLOL
"that the only organizations whose tax-exempt statuses were actually denied were progressive ones; that many of the targeted conservative groups legitimately crossed the line; that the IG’s report was limited to only Tea Party groups at congressional Republicans’ request; and that the White House was in no way involved in the targeting and didn’t even know about it until shortly before the public did."
The only orgs were LEFT leaning yet you believe that the IRS targeted right wing groups, and that this is somehow relate to Obama?
Obama the muslim jihadist that uses the IRS as his personal tool, lol.
As I stated before, comprehension is a problem for you. The last excerpt was the liberal's opinion. They didn't state it was fact. They just provided her response. That it is why it's in quotation marks. You know these little things "". They in no way agreed with her assertion.
Again with your literacy problem. I never claimed Obama was a muslim but you failed to grasp that the first time. I also never claimed Obama was responsibile for targetting, only that you have to be a special kinda stupid to deny it doesn't exist.....which you are.
Don't do this to yourself again. Maybe you are just having problems reading through the tear stains because I made your socially retarded ass look like a full-on retard in front of the only forum you feel safe to talk because your disability doesn't allow you to debate in public/person.
Go smoke your Marijuana and try to develop real social skills and you won't take me making you look stupid so seriously. You only got your ass kicked on the net, not in real life
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I love me some iwantmass...
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I love me some iwantmass...
He loses any small amount of crediibitly he had when he acts as if he forgot about his tantrum he threw, pertaining to me. He started a thread trying to get a mod banned, thinking It was me.
Now he is childish enough to act like he forgot the whole thing. I'll agree that he isn't very smart but he isn't stupid enough to forget that. He had a fullblown meltdown and even his liberal buddies can't deny that.
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I love me some iwantass... :-X
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As I stated before, comprehension is a problem for you. The last excerpt was the liberal's opinion. They didn't state it was fact. They just provided her response. That it is why it's in quotation marks. You know these little things "". They in no way agreed with her assertion.
There are no quotations
Again with your literacy problem. I never claimed Obama was a muslim but you failed to grasp that the first time. I also never claimed Obama was responsibile for targetting, only that you have to be a special kinda stupid to deny it doesn't exist.....which you are.
::) ::) ::)
Don't do this to yourself again. Maybe you are just having problems reading through the tear stains because I made your socially retarded ass look like a full-on retard in front of the only forum you feel safe to talk because your disability doesn't allow you to debate in public/person.
Not sure what this means, the only groups denied were progressive, explain this to me genius, you stated that the IRS targetted right wing groups specifically, then gave evidence, meanwhile....
Go smoke your Marijuana and try to develop real social skills and you won't take me making you look stupid so seriously. You only got your ass kicked on the net, not in real life
LOL, calm down tuff boi, you are a boon to this board with your constant off topic remarks, derailing and personal attacks, Im sorry I forgot who you were, don't take it so personal, you just don't stand out, your ordinary.
So you claim the IRS targeted right wing groups, yet left wing groups were also scrutinized and the end result was a correct overview in which only progressive groups were denied, aka no tea party groups.
Just going to try being an adult with you for a second, tea party is a very specific thing, a political group or a chlids game, thus it's easy to scrutinize, it's clearly political. The IRS is looking for money scams, hidden money, tea party groups make sense, progressive as well but less so since it could be many things, not necessarily a political group.
Try to stick to the thread, did the IRS do as you stated?
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So you claim the IRS targeted right wing groups, yet left wing groups were also scrutinized and the end result was a correct overview in which only progressive groups were denied, aka no tea party groups.
Just going to try being an adult with you for a second, tea party is a very specific thing, a political group or a chlids game, thus it's easy to scrutinize, it's clearly political. The IRS is looking for money scams, hidden money, tea party groups make sense, progressive as well but less so since it could be many things, not necessarily a political group.
Try to stick to the thread, did the IRS do as you stated?
You need to actually do research and stop repeating the words of a democratic strategist. That is what you are using as evidence, the word of a democratic strategist. The doj and fbi both agree that conservative groups were targeted, they just claim there is no evidence of intent, rather they claim it is mismanagement. Conservative groups were targeted, this isn't up for the debate unless you are a completely biased idiot.....wait that's you.
At no point were liberal groups denied/delayed near to the amount of conservative groups, rather they were declined at a normal rate. That is what you are trying to cite as evidence, a normal rate of decline that both liberal and conservative groups both see. Then again, we both know you did zero research because you are referencing a democratic strategist's word as evidence eventhough your very own fact finding cite disagrees with her.
You must be a strong believer In coincidence for Lois lerner's tone towards conservatives in her email, her magically lost email, multiple crashed servers and hard drives, and specifically scrutinized conservative terms to all mean nothing.
You are literally one of the few remaining people left to deny targetting to occur. The link you posted has been refuted and proven false multiple times if you bother to do an ounce of resesrch.
Every government agency all the way up to obama himself have admitted that conservative groups were placed under unfair scrutiny. They just like to refer to it as misguided management.
There, did I stick to the thread well enough for you? I'm not going treat you like an adult because you don't act like one. You lie, omit facts, and cherry pick evidence to your liking. That isn't the behavior of an adult.
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You need to actually do research and stop repeating the words of a democratic strategist. That is what you are using as evidence, the word of a democratic strategist. The doj and fbi both agree that conservative groups were targeted, they just claim there is no evidence of intent, rather they claim it is mismanagement. Conservative groups were targeted, this isn't up for the debate unless you are a completely biased idiot.....wait that's you.
No they were not, many groups were targeted, namely political ones, left and right.
At no point were liberal groups denied/delayed near to the amount of conservative groups, rather they were declined at a normal rate. That is what you are trying to cite as evidence, a normal rate of decline that both liberal and conservative groups both see. Then again, we both know you did zero research because you are referencing a democratic strategist's word as evidence eventhough your very own fact finding cite disagrees with her.
Are you aware of the temporal nature of existence? the first was rebutted by the second due to the second being months later, #commonsense
You must be a strong believer In coincidence for Lois lerner's tone towards conservatives in her email, her magically lost email, multiple crashed servers and hard drives, and specifically scrutinized conservative terms to all mean nothing.
More circumstantial bullshit, left wing terms were used also, are you completely biased and unable to accept this fact. The GOP ASKED to leave out the other references, to make it appear they were the only one\s targeted, what facts do you have?
You are literally one of the few remaining people left to deny targetting to occur. The link you posted has been refuted and proven false multiple times if you bother to do an ounce of resesrch.
Sure it has, so many links you can't provide even one?
Every government agency all the way up to obama himself have admitted that conservative groups were placed under unfair scrutiny. They just like to refer to it as misguided management.
Admitted that the IRS specifically targeted right wing groups only? bullshit.
There, did I stick to the thread well enough for you? I'm not going treat you like an adult because you don't act like one. You lie, omit facts, and cherry pick evidence to your liking. That isn't the behavior of an adult.
No, you are literally patently wrong.
You literally posted nothing, no quotes, no links, nothing to even support your position, you are a loser who obama owns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy
"Initial reports described the selections as nearly exclusively of conservative groups with terms such as "Tea Party" in their names. According to Republican lawmakers, liberal-leaning groups and the Occupy movement had also triggered additional scrutiny, but not at nearly the same rate as conservative groups.[8] The Republican majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a report which concluded that although some liberal groups were selected for additional review, the scrutiny that these groups received did not amount to targeting when compared to the greater scrutiny received by conservative groups; however, the report was criticized by the committee's Democratic minority which argued that the report ignored evidence that the IRS used keywords to identify both liberal and conservative groups.[9][10]
In January 2014, the FBI told Fox News that its investigation had found no evidence so far warranting the filing of federal criminal charges in connection with the scandal, as it had not found any evidence of "enemy hunting", and that the investigation continued.[11] On October 23, 2015, the Justice Department declared that no criminal charges will be filed.[12][13]
Ya let's trust the same morons that purposely doctored emails to only include tea party groups, how insane is that, are you a toddler?
So on to your lois lerner bullshit, theDOJ looked at the same evidence you did and concluded
|DOJ investigation
In October 2015, the Justice Department notified Congress that there would be no charges against the former IRS official Lois Lerner or against anyone else in the IRS. The investigation found no evidence of illegal activity or the partisan targeting of political groups and found that no IRS official attempted to obstruct justice. The DOJ investigation did find evidence of mismanagement and Lerner's poor judgement in using her IRS account for personal messages but said "...poor management is not a crime."[167][168][169]"
THE ONLY ORG stripped of tax exempt status was left leaning, this destroys your whole 9/11 truther non sense.
Tea party groups should have been scrutinized, you are wrong as usual.
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You literally posted nothing, no quotes, no links, nothing to even support your position, you are a loser who obama owns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy
"Initial reports described the selections as nearly exclusively of conservative groups with terms such as "Tea Party" in their names. According to Republican lawmakers, liberal-leaning groups and the Occupy movement had also triggered additional scrutiny, but not at nearly the same rate as conservative groups.[8] The Republican majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a report which concluded that although some liberal groups were selected for additional review, the scrutiny that these groups received did not amount to targeting when compared to the greater scrutiny received by conservative groups; however, the report was criticized by the committee's Democratic minority which argued that the report ignored evidence that the IRS used keywords to identify both liberal and conservative groups.[9][10]
In January 2014, the FBI told Fox News that its investigation had found no evidence so far warranting the filing of federal criminal charges in connection with the scandal, as it had not found any evidence of "enemy hunting", and that the investigation continued.[11] On October 23, 2015, the Justice Department declared that no criminal charges will be filed.[12][13]
Ya let's trust the same morons that purposely doctored emails to only include tea party groups, how insane is that, are you a toddler?
So on to your lois lerner bullshit, theDOJ looked at the same evidence you did and concluded
|DOJ investigation
In October 2015, the Justice Department notified Congress that there would be no charges against the former IRS official Lois Lerner or against anyone else in the IRS. The investigation found no evidence of illegal activity or the partisan targeting of political groups and found that no IRS official attempted to obstruct justice. The DOJ investigation did find evidence of mismanagement and Lerner's poor judgement in using her IRS account for personal messages but said "...poor management is not a crime."[167][168][169]"
THE ONLY ORG stripped of tax exempt status was left leaning, this destroys your whole 9/11 truther non sense.
Tea party groups should have been scrutinized, you are wrong as usual.
Look at your own words, dumbshit. The justice department didn't deny targeting, they only said it was mismanagment and not intentional. They know they were targeted, they just couldn't prove it.
Wow, the democratic minority didn't want to admit to targeting republicans. Is that what you call evidence and why you underlined it? I criticize you and call you an anti-social retard that has to debate on the net because he is afraid of human confrontation unless he smokes his marijuana. I guess it's true by your standard.
No enemy hunting doesn't imply no targeting. They just credited the targetingto poorly managed business practices.
I'm not gonna provide links for you as you readily skipped over all of it on your Wikipedia page there.
No, the tea party shouldn't have been scrutinized to the degree they were and the link you cited readily agrees with that, you just failed to post those.
Stop saying the only organizations stripped of tax exempt status was left leaning, and while you are at it stop ignoring the fact that a huge amount of the conservative groups were delayed for unusual long periods of time. Someone like you tries to not count 18 month delays as denied to support your numbers. That only works in your simple brain.
This is the exact reason you threw a temper tantrum last time. You post the same stuff over and over, you cherry pick the parts you like and you just fail to comprehend it. I don't want you to go into a rage again and have another meltdown, but given that you are posting a democratic strategist and the democratic minority's opinion as your major evidence all while ignoring the other 95% of both your links, it looks like a necrosis meltdown is inevitable.
Didn't I already educate you on the value of opinion as evidence anyhow?
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Look at your own words, dumbshit. The justice department didn't deny targeting, they only said it was mismanagment and not intentional. They know they were targeted, they just couldn't prove it.
Wow, the democratic minority didn't want to admit to targeting republicans. Is that what you call evidence and why you underlined it? I criticize you and call you an anti-social retard that has to debate on the net because he is afraid of human confrontation unless he smokes his marijuana. I guess it's true by your standard.
No enemy hunting doesn't imply no targeting. They just credited the targetingto poorly managed business practices.
I'm not gonna provide links for you as you readily skipped over all of it on your Wikipedia page there.
No, the tea party shouldn't have been scrutinized to the degree they were and the link you cited readily agrees with that, you just failed to post those.
Stop saying the only organizations stripped of tax exempt status was left leaning, and while you are at it stop ignoring the fact that a huge amount of the conservative groups were delayed for unusual long periods of time. Someone like you tries to not count 18 month delays as denied to support your numbers. That only works in your simple brain.
This is the exact reason you threw a temper tantrum last time. You post the same stuff over and over, you cherry pick the parts you like and you just fail to comprehend it. I don't want you to go into a rage again and have another meltdown, but given that you are posting a democratic strategist and the democratic minority's opinion as your major evidence all while ignoring the other 95% of both your links, it looks like a necrosis meltdown is inevitable.
Didn't I already educate you on the value of opinion as evidence anyhow?
Look, if you are this stupid, I am sorry, I can no longer respond. Clearly they were targeted, they were not targeted unjustly and were not specifically targeted, liberal groups were also.
Not one thing has come from it yet you still believe in it? lol.
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Look, if you are this stupid, I am sorry, I can no longer respond. Clearly they were targeted, they were not targeted unjustly and were not specifically targeted, liberal groups were also.
Not one thing has come from it yet you still believe in it? lol.
No, liberal groups were not targeted in the same fashion . Just because you keep repeating that doesn't make it so, and you can't provide any facts to support that because they don't exist. I understand repeating yourself over and over may work for your pet iguana, but those of us with actual social skills don't consider that relevant debate. We require proof.
Well, I guess that solves it. If they weren't convicted of a crime in a court, they must be innocent. That is pretty poor logic even by your simple standards. our legal system isn't exactly flawless. It was erroneous targeting, not just targeting; even obama has admitted that. No one other than yourself is saying they were fairly targeted. They just can't establish deliberation behind the unfair targeting.
You haven't provided one iota of evidence supporting your case, except the political rhetoric of a democratic strategist or.the democratic minority. In both the srticle and Wikipedia page you produced, the unfair targeting is the major subject matter yet you completely ignore it due to your comprehension issues. I don't even have to provide evidence when I can read what you provided and it works just fine.
This is exactly what you did last time. You provide zero evidence and supplement it instead with retarded logic such as :
If they weren't convicted of a crime, then they were innocent.
Sorry, that isn't the way it works. The political and wealthy have a history of getting off in this country. If you need an example, go read the g&o thread about the affluenza case.
The first link you provided makes mention of the fact that plenty of conservative groups were stalled through the process for 18 months and in a few extremes 3 years. You are trying not to count those case, because it doesn't support your narrative. Your Wikipedia page covers this as well, you just chose to read the 1 line that says the democratic minority disagrees with it.
For such a fan of the scientific method as you presented yourself in the previous thread, you continue to have a low bar for establishing facts/evidence when the word of a democratic strategist is good enough for you in a case potentially involving democratic wrong doing. Not to mention lois lerner's written disdain for conservatives, and this all happened on her watch. Oh, and the planted question for her that made all this come to light 2 days before she was due to be called out on it.
I'll stick to my first suggestion at the beginning of this page, you have to be a special kinda stupid to.claim unfair targeting didn't take place. I do agree you should leave the thread, as you don't know how to argue or present yourself with others. I thought it only afflicted you in real.life, but apparently it affects you here too.
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No, liberal groups were not targeted in the same fashion . Just because you keep repeating that doesn't make it so, and you can't provide any facts to support that because they don't exist. I understand repeating yourself over and over may work for your pet iguana, but those of us with actual social skills don't consider that relevant debate. We require proof.
Well, I guess that solves it. If they weren't convicted of a crime in a court, they must be innocent. That is pretty poor logic even by your simple standards. our legal system isn't exactly flawless. It was erroneous targeting, not just targeting; even obama has admitted that. No one other than yourself is saying they were fairly targeted. They just can't establish deliberation behind the unfair targeting.
You haven't provided one iota of evidence supporting your case, except the political rhetoric of a democratic strategist or.the democratic minority. In both the srticle and Wikipedia page you produced, the unfair targeting is the major subject matter yet you completely ignore it due to your comprehension issues. I don't even have to provide evidence when I can read what you provided and it works just fine.
Thus is exaxtly what you did last time. You provide zero evidence and supplement it instead with retarded logic such as :
If they weren't convicted of a crime, then they were innocent.
Sorry, that isn't the way it works. The political and wealthy have a history of getting off in this country. If you need an example, go read the g&o thread about the affluenza case.
The first link you provided makes mention of the fact that plenty of conservative groups were stalled through the process for 18 months and in a few extremes 3 years. You are trying not to count those case, because it doesn't support your narrative. Your Wikipedia page covers this as well, you just chose to read the 1 line that says the democratic minority disagrees with it.
For such a.fan of the scientific method as you presented yourself in the previous thread, you continue to have a low bar for establishing facts/evidence when the word of a democratic strategist is good enough for you in a case potentially involving democratic wrong doing. Not to mention lois lerner's written disdain for conservatives, and this all happened on her watch. Oh, and the planted question for her that made all this come to light 2 days before she was due to be called out on it.
I'll stick to my first suggestion at the beginning of this page, you have to be a special kinda stupid to.claim unfair targeting didn't take place. I do agree you should leave the thread, as you don't know how to argue or present yourself with others. I thought it only afflicted you in real.life, but apparently it affects you here too.
DOJ,FEDS and common sense disagree with you. I did not read this, you are not worth my time. All you have are thoughts of lois lerner not liking the GOP and nothing happened to lerner despite investigation.
You are literally arguing against every official report, the only groups denied were progressive, only group stripped progressive.
Why would I keep arguing with you? you have nothing and are saying that all the investigations are wrong.
Keep following me around and telling yourself that you owned me lol, I forgot who you were for fuck sakes, I have a real life you full time loser.
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DOJ,FEDS and common sense disagree with you. I did not read this, you are not worth my time. All you have are thoughts of lois lerner not liking the GOP and nothing happened to lerner despite investigation.
You are literally arguing against every official report, the only groups denied were progressive, only group stripped progressive.
Why would I keep arguing with you? you have nothing and are saying that all the investigations are wrong.
Keep following me around and telling yourself that you owned me lol, I forgot who you were for fuck sakes, I have a real life you full time loser.
Wrong again. They said there was no evidence that deliberation was involved in the unfair targeting. Both the doj and feds agreed they were unfairly targeted, they just could not ascertain the motive to be criminal. That's what I keep telling you about your comprehension issue.
I don't ever comment on owning people on the internet. I will leave that to people lIke you that have a "social" disability that doesn't allow them to own people in real life
Don't be such a drama queen again... no one is following you. Outside of the thread that you attacked me in, and your meltdown thread dedicated to me, this is the only time I've ever responded to you. I often only respond to posters like you that make outlandish lies. If you remain honest, you will likely never see me respond to you.
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Wrong again. They said there was no evidence that deliberation was involved in the unfair targeting. Both the doj and feds agreed they were unfairly targeted, they just could not ascertain the motive to be criminal. That's what I keep telling you about your comprehension issue.
I don't ever comment on owning people on the internet. I will leave that to people lIke you that have a "social" disability that doesn't allow them to own people in real life
Don't be such a drama queen again... no one is following you. Outside of the thread that you attacked me in, and your meltdown thread dedicated to me, this is the only time I've ever responded to you. I often only respond to posters like you that make outlandish lies. If you remain honest, you will likely never see me respond to you.
what are you going on about? social disability? lol who are you? clearly a gimmick, the fact that you are following me around and got upset when I forgot who you were is hilarious.
I wouldn't own people in real life, only a person with a social disability would say something like that, I help people for a living, not own them. Maybe when I was a teenager I thought like that, but when you grow up and become a professional (it will happen, keep going!) your views might change.
you are immune to facts, I literally posted conclusions from all investigations that disagree with you, those are the facts,your conclusions or inferences are not, those are opinion, you seem to think Lois lerner was hiding things? don't think either investigation found that, how can you completely disagree with the investigations?
Just like you think Obama going to church 10 times a year versus 30 means he is a muslim, it's non-sequitor , you are nuts.
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what are you going on about? social disability? lol who are you? clearly a gimmick, the fact that you are following me around and got upset when I forgot who you were is hilarious.
I wouldn't own people in real life, only a person with a social disability would say something like that, I help people for a living, not own them. Maybe when I was a teenager I thought like that, but when you grow up and become a professional (it will happen, keep going!) your views might change.
you are immune to facts, I literally posted conclusions from all investigations that disagree with you, those are the facts,your conclusions or inferences are not, those are opinion, you seem to think Lois lerner was hiding things? don't think either investigation found that, how can you completely disagree with the investigations?
Just like you think Obama going to church 10 times a year versus 30 means he is a muslim, it's non-sequitor , you are nuts.
You know exactly what I'm talking about. Just keep taking your meds. You should be careful what you discuss on these boards as someone will remember it.
The investigations found no conclusion of criminality, not the nonesixstence of unfair targeting. Stop trying to tie the 2 together, as they aren't 1 in the same. You keep ignoring that point.
I'm not immune to facts, you just seem to think opinions are facts.
These are examples of facts:
Lerner voiced her disdain for conservatives via email as she also voiced the need to be careful of the content of email as there was a likelyhood of review
Hard drives and servers were destroyed
An audience plant was in place to question lerner before she was to testify before a committee
Doj, obama, feds all agree unfair targeting took place. Their words, not mine
These are not facts:
A democratic strategist suggestion that liberal groups were targeted at the same rate
Elijah Cummings suggesting there is nothing here to see.
You aren't a professional, so don't act like 1. You are a person that lies on the internet and barely comprehends the articles you try to cite as.evidence
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You know exactly what I'm talking about. Just keep taking your meds. You should be careful what you discuss on these boards as someone will remember it.
The investigations found no conclusion of criminality, not the nonesixstence of unfair targeting. Stop trying to tie the 2 together, as they aren't 1 in the same. You keep ignoring that point.
I'm not immune to facts, you just seem to think opinions are facts.
These are examples of facts:
Lerner voiced her disdain for conservatives via email as she also voiced the need to be careful of the content of email as there was a likelyhood of review
Hard drives and servers were destroyed
An audience plant was in place to question lerner before she was to testify before a committee
Doj, obama, feds all agree unfair targeting took place. Their words, not mine
These are not facts:
A democratic strategist suggestion that liberal groups were targeted at the same rate
Elijah Cummings suggesting there is nothing here to see.
You aren't a professional, so don't act like 1. You are a person that lies on the internet and barely comprehends the articles you try to cite as.evidence
meltdown, that was all over the place, try to collect your thoughts and stick to one point at a time, you are rambling.
targeting took place, but it was just fine, left leaning groups were as well, the report the right concocted, leaves out anything but tea party, that makes sense!!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
what was unfair about it? that the name tea party is clearly political while progressive could be a car company, in fact they often have the best rates, have you switched to progressive?
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meltdown, that was all over the place, try to collect your thoughts and stick to one point at a time, you are rambling.
targeting took place, but it was just fine, left leaning groups were as well, the report the right concocted, leaves out anything but tea party, that makes sense!!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
what was unfair about it? that the name tea party is clearly political while progressive could be a car company, in fact they often have the best rates, have you switched to progressive?
;D ;D ;D
Awesome
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meltdown, that was all over the place, try to collect your thoughts and stick to one point at a time, you are rambling.
targeting took place, but it was just fine, left leaning groups were as well, the report the right concocted, leaves out anything but tea party, that makes sense!!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
what was unfair about it? that the name tea party is clearly political while progressive could be a car company, in fact they often have the best rates, have you switched to progressive?
Sorry buddy, the meltdown is your business. You have your own meltdown thread, remember?
At this point I question if you have even researched this or just glanced at liberal talking points. Many other groups other than those with the name.tea party were targeted as well as extensively questioned.
As badly as you are coming off here by repeating liberal groups were targeted at near the same rate, I would like to give you credit for trolling but that isn't the case.
Try and go debate this point in person today and see if you can do it without stuttering and becoming flustered without your meds and marijuana
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;D ;D ;D
Awesome
Except that he is wrong, and you know it as well. You just want to side with someone because I consistently make you look like an idiot. Your only argument is that I haven't 2k post or that you destroyed me.
Don't side with this guy. He has a full meltdown thread that you have already read. As well, I'm being truthful about him being a social retard which is why he isn't acknowledging it. He is medicated for his inferiority as he has admitted in the past
That is why he is so passionate about this board,Because it is his safe space.
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Except that he is wrong, and you know it as well. You just want to side with someone because I consistently make you look like an idiot. Your only argument is that I haven't 2k post or that you destroyed me.
Don't side with this guy. He has a full meltdown thread that you have already read. As well, I'm being truthful about him being a social retard which is why he isn't acknowledging it. He is medicated for his inferiority as he has admitted in the past
That is why he is so passionate about this board,Because it is his safe space.
lol,lol.
Wait didn't you join recently ::)
Think about it, you are calling me a social retard who needs to medicate himself (don't drink coffee, it's medicinez!!1) yet you are melting down with constant random personal insults and are using a gimmick, lol.
do you need some money or help or something? I have extra if you need some
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didn't obama decide not to count those not actively looking? cuuting down the #
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didn't obama decide not to count those not actively looking? cuuting down the #
NOPE Obama DID NOT DECIDE THIS.....this is the way the UE rate has always been counted since the dawn of time.......but the fact that you thought that Obama said that is very telling about your knowledge of how the government works and your bias against Obama
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Except that he is wrong, and you know it as well. You just want to side with someone because I consistently make you look like an idiot. Your only argument is that I haven't 2k post or that you destroyed me.
Don't side with this guy. He has a full meltdown thread that you have already read. As well, I'm being truthful about him being a social retard which is why he isn't acknowledging it. He is medicated for his inferiority as he has admitted in the past
That is why he is so passionate about this board,Because it is his safe space.
Okay....again you are coming after me because you need my attention...I didn't want to weigh in on your debate with Necrosis because of my ban on engaging with you due to your prior irrationality.......howe ver, you've succeeded in getting my attention......I wasn't siding with Necrosis, only responding to his joke on you about progressive car insurance....but I read the article he posted with Donna Brazile's comments and in my opinion his findings concerning the facts of the article are accurate....
The Inspector General for Tax basically AGREED with Ms. Brazile.....he admitted that yes in fact other groups were targeted as well.....progressive groups and other groups......and that this was left out of the congressional report.....I will admit that all that stuff with Ms. Lerner and her lost emails and crashed servers is very disconcerting......and looks suspicious on the surface...but STILL the Inspector General said there was no evidence to suggest that only Tea Party and conservative groups were investigated....although he did also suggest that the intensity of the investigations may have been greater for the conservative groups.....but the original premise that conservative groups were singled out appears unsubstantiated at this time based on the testimony of the Inspector General who I assume is beyond reproach in this situation. So in my opinion, Necrosis' argument has merit.....not "taking his side" as you say.....its what the facts of the article force us to conclude.....
Also keep in mind that the Republicans have had an annoying habit of calling for congressional hearings on matters which later turn out to have no merit or conclude with no findings....and all of these accusations seem to attempt to link these supposed scandals to Obama..REMEMBER:
Republicans accused Obama of covering up Benghazi................ .........NOT TRUE
Republicans accused Obama of targeting conservative groups through the IRS..........NOT TRUE
Republicans accused Obama of a coverup and knowing about the VA scandal..........NOT TRUE
also don't forget the Republican rantings that Obama was jeopardizing the security of the United states by not handling the crisis correctly and not cancelling flights to the US from Africa during the EBOLA scare and that thousands would die as a result...meanwhile ONE person died and that's because by the time he got the U.S. for treatment he was already half dead........
and remember the Republicans said that Obama was a Muslim and not a citizen..the republicans get you guys pumped up and then leave you hanging later when its found that their accusations are baseless
so now that that's over, you really need to stop ranting and you need to admit when you are wrong....newcomers to getbig like yourself sometimes make the mistake of wanting to jump into the fray when they are not ready.......which is why I suggested you go to the sex board for awhile and build up your post count there...and as I pointed out you would have the added benefit of being able to masturbate as well......
So I'm asking you once again to PLEASE ADHERE TO MY 2000 post rule and to not engage with me until you have reached 2000 posts....hopefully by then you will have gained some maturity and learned to be humble when proven wrong (which happens a lot)
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Okay....again you are coming after me because you need my attention...I didn't want to weigh in on your debate with Necrosis because of my ban on engaging with you due to your prior irrationality.......howe ver, you've succeeded in getting my attention......I wasn't siding with Necrosis, only responding to his joke on you about progressive car insurance....but I read the article he posted with Donna Brazile's comments and in my opinion his findings concerning the facts of the article are accurate....
The Inspector General for Tax basically AGREED with Ms. Brazile.....he admitted that yes in fact other groups were targeted as well.....progressive groups and other groups......and that this was left out of the congressional report.....I will admit that all that stuff with Ms. Lerner and her lost emails and crashed servers is very disconcerting......and looks suspicious on the surface...but STILL the Inspector General said there was no evidence to suggest that only Tea Party and conservative groups were investigated....although he did also suggest that the intensity of the investigations may have been greater for the conservative groups.....but the original premise that conservative groups were singled out appears unsubstantiated at this time based on the testimony of the Inspector General who I assume is beyond reproach in this situation. So in my opinion, Necrosis' argument has merit.....not "taking his side" as you say.....its what the facts of the article force us to conclude.....
Also keep in mind that the Republicans have had an annoying habit of calling for congressional hearings on matters which later turn out to have no merit or conclude with no findings....and all of these accusations seem to attempt to link these supposed scandals to Obama..REMEMBER:
Republicans accused Obama of covering up Benghazi................ .........NOT TRUE
Republicans accused Obama of targeting conservative groups through the IRS..........NOT TRUE
Republicans accused Obama of a coverup and knowing about the VA scandal..........NOT TRUE
also don't forget the Republican rantings that Obama was jeopardizing the security of the United states by not handling the crisis correctly and not cancelling flights to the US from Africa during the EBOLA scare and that thousands would die as a result...meanwhile ONE person died and that's because by the time he got the U.S. for treatment he was already half dead........
and remember the Republicans said that Obama was a Muslim and not a citizen..the republicans get you guys pumped up and then leave you hanging later when its found that their accusations are baseless
so now that that's over, you really need to stop ranting and you need to admit when you are wrong....newcomers to getbig like yourself sometimes make the mistake of wanting to jump into the fray when they are not ready.......which is why I suggested you go to the sex board for awhile and build up your post count there...and as I pointed out you would have the added benefit of being able to masturbate as well......
So I'm asking you once again to PLEASE ADHERE TO MY 2000 post rule and to not engage with me until you have reached 2000 posts....hopefully by then you will have gained some maturity and learned to be humble when proven wrong (which happens a lot)
Just because you choose to post your longwinded tangent thoughts that have almost zero to do with the issue at hand, I'll still take the time to read it and respond accordingly. I didn't accuse obama of any of those things. In fact, in my first post on this thread, I stated obama wasn't at fault but unfair targeting did take place.....so, that makes me still right.
The length of your answer doesn't make it anymore right. AND let's get one thing straight, you choose not to engage me because I make you look like a biased jackass. It has nothing to do with my post count
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lol,lol.
Wait didn't you join recently ::)
Think about it, you are calling me a social retard who needs to medicate himself (don't drink coffee, it's medicinez!!1) yet you are melting down with constant random personal insults and are using a gimmick, lol.
do you need some money or help or something? I have extra if you need some
My post history isn't relevant to you being a social retard. A meltdown is what you had when you started a thread dedicated to me
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My post history isn't relevant to you being a social retard. A meltdown is what you had when you started a thread dedicated to me
I think it was dedicated to me.
No, wait, I forgot we are the same person. :)
Has Necrosis quit like he promised to do?
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Necrosis and iwantmass going at it again. ;D
Looking at your posts and rhetoric you guys are actually somewhat similar, allthough you have conflicting opinions.
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My post history isn't relevant to you being a social retard. A meltdown is what you had when you started a thread dedicated to me
LOL.
yes I forgot about your existence and you keep addressing me in any thread I post, sounds like someone who won a debate. Just like here, you are getting your ass handed to you.
The first sentence of your post is nonsensical, how you got there I will never know.
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I think it was dedicated to me.
No, wait, I forgot we are the same person. :)
Has Necrosis quit like he promised to do?
He cites a democratic strategist as evidence.. he even used Wikipedia as a reference. Even under that premise, neither of those sided with his argument. I didn't even have to provide evidence. In his mind if someone isn't convicted in court, they are innocent. I wonder if he would have the same opinion if the offender were a Republican
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Necrosis and iwantmass going at it again. ;D
Looking at your posts and rhetoric you guys are actually somewhat similar, allthough you have conflicting opinions.
lol, I honestly forgot who he was, no kidding.This dude takes this shit real serious.
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I think it was dedicated to me.
No, wait, I forgot we are the same person. :)
Has Necrosis quit like he promised to do?
Oh look the guy who believes in talking snakes and that god is his personal prayer machine chiming in, his boyfriend must have notified him.
You mean the thread I ran you out of because you were made to eat your words?
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He cites a democratic strategist as evidence.. he even used Wikipedia as a reference. Even under that premise, neither of those sided with his argument. I didn't even have to provide evidence. In his mind if someone isn't convicted in court, they are innocent. I wonder if he would have the same opinion if the offender were a Republican
You are unable to argue, immune to facts, what is your claim?
You jump from thing to think I am not even sure what your point is anymore?
Obama used teh IRS? NO
IRS schemed against GOP?NO
IRS targeted only conservative groups? NO
Were left wing groups also targeted? YES
Did any groups get stripped? YES, only a progressive group.
So your argument is that the IRS went after only the tea party (nope) or did so with more scrutiny(maybe, the initial report was clearly a hack job)? no kidding, tea party is a political name or a children's game, this is a nuance, I know things need to be black and white for you. So if the IRS is looking for hidden monies in these groups, ones with tea party make perfect sense.
Obama goes to a christian chruch? Yes, IWANTMASS "ya but how often?", 10 times a year, IWANTMASS "I rest my case he is a muslim"
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lol, I honestly forgot who he was, no kidding.This dude takes this shit real serious.
Someone that makes a thread dedicated to having another person banned doesn't get to comment on the seriousness of other posters. I enjoy Pissing you off and making you look like an idiot when you lie and I have free time. If you were more honest you would never hear from me
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You are unable to argue, immune to facts, what is your claim?
You jump from thing to think I am not even sure what your point is anymore?
Obama used teh IRS? NO
IRS schemed against GOP?NO
IRS targeted only conservative groups? NO
Were left wing groups also targeted? YES
Did any groups get stripped? YES, only a progressive group.
So your argument is that the IRS went after only the tea party (nope) or did so with more scrutiny(maybe, the initial report was clearly a hack job)? no kidding, tea party is a political name or a children's game, this is a nuance, I know things need to be black and white for you. So if the IRS is looking for hidden monies in these groups, ones with tea party make perfect sense.
Obama goes to a christian chruch? Yes, IWANTMASS "ya but how often?", 10 times a year, IWANTMASS "I rest my case he is a muslim"
As always you are lying again. I never said obama was to blame for targeting. Check page one. I actually said he wasn't to blame.
Some liberal groups were rejected status under the normal function of the IRS just as some conservative groups were. Those aren't the issue. We are talking about the massive other amounts of conservative groups that were targeted outside of the normal rejection rate. Stop saying they just targeted conservative groups with tea party in their name. It demonstrates your lack of education on the subject matter.
I'm not gonna rehash the other thread. It's still there is you wanna feel like an idiot all anew. We both know I never said obama was a muslim, you just failed to comprehend it as you are with this thread.
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Someone that makes a thread dedicated to having another person banned doesn't get to comment on the seriousness of other posters. I enjoy Pissing you off and making you look like an idiot when you lie and I have free time. If you were more honest you would never hear from me
Lol, I can troll you all day long, no pissing me off remember? I am socially retarded. You are barking up the wrong tree if you are trying to upset me, that's what I do, hence you following me around. You are upset, I am sorry I embarrassed you in the other thread, even using your own words to rebut your posts, lol. Then your lover boi hops in the ring (he knows better) and gets outed for thinking he can ride dinosaurs and that harry potter is non-fiction.
He is your peer, let that sink in, that's your lot in life, that's your ilk.
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Lol, I can troll you all day long, no pissing me off remember? I am socially retarded. You are barking up the wrong tree if you are trying to upset me, that's what I do, hence you following me around. You are upset, I am sorry I embarrassed you in the other thread, even using your own words to rebut your posts, lol. Then your lover boi hops in the ring (he knows better) and gets outed for thinking he can ride dinosaurs and that harry potter is non-fiction.
He is your peer, let that sink in, that's your lot in life, that's your ilk.
You started a meltdown thread. No one believes you embarrassed anyone. This board is your life, you aren't trolling anyone.
Somewhere along the way someone told you that you could be anything you wantes, and you chose to attempt to.be intelligent. It didn't work out well because you aren't genetically prone to it. You should stick to being a liar as you are great at that.
Trolls don't start crybaby threads to have ppl banned .
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Oh look the guy who believes in talking snakes and that god is his personal prayer machine chiming in, his boyfriend must have notified him.
You mean the thread I ran you out of because you were made to eat your words?
I gotta give you props for sticking around. I'm not sure any poster on this board has ever made a bigger fool of himself than you did.
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Some liberal groups were rejected status under the normal function of the IRS just as some conservative groups were. Those aren't the issue. We are talking about the massive other amounts of conservative groups that were targeted outside of the normal rejection rate. Stop saying they just targeted conservative groups with tea party in their name. It demonstrates your lack of education on the subject matter.
I'm not gonna rehash the other thread. It's still there is you wanna feel like an idiot all anew. We both know I never said obama was a mslim, yiu just failed to comprehend it as you are with this thread.
WHOA calm down that last sentence was verging on mania, slow down and hit each key bro. Many groups were targeted, political leaning names left and right, I stated this, tea party was said to be unfairly scrutinized over a relative term progressive. The argument is then are the names indicative of hidden money (political money), you seem to suggest that the IRS targeted right wing groups due to some ulterior motive (partisanship ), not one investigation found that, if they did it would be a massive story, but it's not. It's just another bullshit Benghazi.
After the initial report is released that is doctored, aka lacking anything other then the right wing search terms, it becomes quite clear the objective, clearly no one looking for the truth would omit half the story..... but obama is a muslim, his poor treatment of jews is evidence of this.
Which groups? this is your turn to post something rather then conjecture,
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I gotta give you props for sticking around. I'm not sure any poster on this board has ever made a bigger fool of himself than you did.
Lol, we were literally hurling insults back and forth for 100 replies, do you really think anything I said was meant to do anything other then upset you? LOL.
You still haven't learned have you?
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Lol, we were literally hurling insults back and forth for 100 replies, do you really think anything I said was meant to do anything other then upset you? LOL.
You still haven't learned have you?
There were not 100 replies from me. Your comments speak for themselves. Anyone reading them who is reasonably intelligent can see you clearly made a fool of yourself. I'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for you.
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You started a meltdown thread. No one believes you embarrassed anyone. This board is your life, you aren't trolling anyone.
Somewhere along the way someone told you that you could be anything you wantes, and you chose to attempt to.be intelligent. It didn't work out well because you aren't genetically prone to it. You should stick to being a liar as you are great at that.
Trolls don't start crybaby threads to have ppl banned .
Lol, you are really intense on my childhood and life etc.. lol I must have really scared you, you are trying to tear my soul apart HAHAHAH. you are such a beta, keep following me around, we can keep score. Have you ever heard of projection? lol, you are oozing reaction formation like a bitch, should see a therapist. Did you need money for the visit? I have extra, and we both know drugs aren't the answer, you have been down that road.
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There were not 100 replies from me. Your comments speak for themselves. Anyone reading them who is reasonably intelligent can see you clearly made a fool of yourself. I'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for you.
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You left the thread after being owned to death, you literally posted a smiley face and said good job lol.
Beach, you believe in talking snakes, a 6000 year old earth (so ridiculous you tried to lie asking me to find evidence, which I did lol), you can stop with trying to upset me by commenting on intelligence (you and Iwantmass literally sound the same, it\s all you do), it's like jason genova trying to insult ronnie coleman's physique, it does not compute.
Keep trying to tell yourself that. Ozmo figured it out quite quick, you seem to be slow.
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You left the thread after being owned to death, you literally posted a smiley face and said good job lol.
Beach, you believe in talking snakes, a 6000 year old earth (so ridiculous you tried to lie asking me to find evidence, which I did lol), you can stop with trying to upset me by commenting on intelligence (you and Iwantmass literally sound the same, it\s all you do), it's like jason genova trying to insult ronnie coleman's physique, it does not compute.
Keep trying to tell yourself that. Ozmo figured it out quite quick, you seem to be slow.
Iwantmass is correct: you are not very smart and you don't tell the truth. I feel sad for you. :-\
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Iwantmass is correct: you are not very smart and you don't tell the truth. I feel sad for you. :-\
That's all you have ::)? that I am not smart and don't tell the truth, this coming from a man that thinks god has answered every one of his prayers. God is ignoring the dying children as he is hyperfocused on beach bum, like a hypervigalant parent.
Why don't you just call me a dumb idiot face and run away?
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That's all you have ::)? that I am not smart and don't tell the truth, this coming from a man that thinks god has answered every one of his prayers. God is ignoring the dying children as he is hyperfocused on beach bum, like a hypervigalant parent.
Why don't you just call me a dumb idiot face and run away?
Very sad. :-\ Go smoke your daily enormous amount of marijuana. Maybe it will make you feel better.
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Very sad. :-\ Go smoke your daily enormous amount of marijuana. Maybe it will make you feel better.
You guys sound eerily similar, you jump in to defend him once he is owned into oblivion. Both harping on intellect, drugs and social stuff lol.
You may have major depression if you are this upset, your empathy seems a little too high, only two classes of people have these traits, woman and pedo's which are you?
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Just because you choose to post your longwinded tangent thoughts that have almost zero to do with the issue at hand, I'll still take the time to read it and respond accordingly. I didn't accuse obama of any of those things. In fact, in my first post on this thread, I stated obama wasn't at fault but unfair targeting did take place.....so, that makes me still right.
The length of your answer doesn't make it anymore right. AND let's get one thing straight, you choose not to engage me because I make you look like a biased jackass. It has nothing to do with my post count
sigh...................P LEASE ADHERE TO MY 2000 POST RULE
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You guys sound eerily similar, you jump in to defend him once he is owned into oblivion. Both harping on intellect, drugs and social stuff lol.
You may have major depression if you are this upset, your empathy seems a little too high, only two classes of people have these traits, woman and pedo's which are you?
;D ;D...hilarious!!!
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You guys sound eerily similar, you jump in to defend him once he is owned into oblivion. Both harping on intellect, drugs and social stuff lol.
You may have major depression if you are this upset, your empathy seems a little too high, only two classes of people have these traits, woman and pedo's which are you?
:D
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I don't know who exactly he feels he has owned. In our previous thread, he resorted to calling for Dos equis's ban because I made him have a meltdown. Starting a thread to have a member banned absolutely qualifies as a meltdown. Now he tries the reverse psychology approach of an 8 year old and hopes everyone forgets that thread and instead accuses me.of taking it personally. I'm winning just like I was last time. His social retard syndrome may not be pertinent to the argjment but it is 100% true and the only reason he tries to act tough on here. It's documented on this very board. Notice how he doesn't deny it and rather tries to downplay it....
As fAR as this thread, his logic assumes if someone is not convicted a crime, they are innocent. He has literally ignored every other act in the articles he posted and cites the 2 pieces that are opinion. As much as andre has a disdain for me, he knows I'm right and almost admitted as much.
Necrosis is a babbling idiot. He doesn't know what evidence is. The reality is he is an emotional sissy with a social disorder that he is medicated for. That has nothing to do with his childhood. That is current.
Whork, I guess you hitch your wagon to donkies if you agree with this guy. I really don't know how to respond to someone when they claim opinion to represent fact and they claim lack of criminality in court equates to innocence.
It's one thing for andre and whork to dislike me because im an asshole. It makes you 2 look like idiots when you agree with necrosis's logic.
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Necrosis is full of shit .....ol "doc" melts down daily with his defense of Barry and his bullshit.
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I don't know who exactly he feels he has owned. In our previous thread, he resorted to calling for Dos equis's ban because I made him have a meltdown. Starting a thread to have a member banned absolutely qualifies as a meltdown. Now he tries the reverse psychology approach of an 8 year old and hopes everyone forgets that thread and instead accuses me.of taking it personally. I'm winning just like I was last time. His social retard syndrome may not be pertinent to the argjment but it is 100% true and the only reason he tries to act tough on here. It's documented on this very board. Notice how he doesn't deny it and rather tries to downplay it....
As fAR as this thread, his logic assumes if someone is not convicted a crime, they are innocent. He has literally ignored every other act in the articles he posted and cites the 2 pieces that are opinion. As much as andre has a disdain for me, he knows I'm right and almost admitted as much.
Necrosis is a babbling idiot. He doesn't know what evidence is. The reality is he is an emotional sissy with a social disorder that he is medicated for. That has nothing to do with his childhood. That is current.
Whork, I guess you hitch your wagon to donkies if you agree with this guy. I really don't know how to respond to someone when they claim opinion to represent fact and they claim lack of criminality in court equates to innocence.
It's one thing for andre and whork to dislike me because im an asshole. It makes you 2 look like idiots when you agree with necrosis's logic.
it's that time to just shut up again... hold this L
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it's that time to just shut up again... hold this L
You've never had the courage to tell anyone to shut up in real life so don't try it on here.
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You've never had the courage to tell anyone to shut up in real life so don't try it on here.
tough guy watch out!!! being macho make you feel a lil better baby boi?
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tough guy watch out!!! being macho make you feel a lil better baby boi?
Again with the comprehension issues. The tough guy would be the one telling others to shut up on the internet.
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Again with the comprehension issues. The tough guy would be the one telling others to shut up on the internet.
:'( :'(
time to shut up tough guy.
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:'( :'(
time to shut up tough guy.
I can play this game all day. I made you start a meltdown thread last time, and this time I've made you resort to telling people to shut up because you can't win a debate. I call that winning
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Iwantmass is correct: you are not very smart and you don't tell the truth. I feel sad for you. :-\
DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE???...if we stick to the topic, Necrosis was not wrong....I read the article and came to the same conclusion he did..Iwantdick is totally wrong and he just doesn't admit it hence his idiotic rantings
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DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE???...if we stick to the topic, Necrosis was not wrong....I read the article and came to the same conclusion he did..Iwantdick is totally wrong and he just doesn't admit it hence his idiotic rantings
http://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stocks-set-to-close-year-with-a-whimper-1451552749
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I can play this game all day. I made you start a meltdown thread last time, and this time I've made you resort to telling people to shut up because you can't win a debate. I call that winning
Andre summed it up, I know you can play this game all day, you are a jobless boi.
You are wrong, the thread is over, just like last time, it's time to shut up
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Andre summed it up, I know you can play this game all day, you are a jobless boi.
You are wrong, the thread is over, just like last time, it's time to shut up
You act is if you are a grown person yet you call someone "boi" on the internet. I'm not gonna pull a Navy mike and show you my paycheck. Nice try though. You've resorted to calling others boi and telling them to shut up. Andre doesn't agree with you, he onlyhates me. He is also one of the least intelligent members on this board so you 2 make a good pair. He also shows admiration for every cock on the sex board while ignoring the vaginas and tits.
In the world I come from, where we aren't afraid to engage other people in conversation, I actually win an argument via debate, not by telling them to shut up. Then again, I've produced all the facts in this thread and you've provided 2 opinions, so I can understand your frustrations.
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DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE???...if we stick to the topic, Necrosis was not wrong....I read the article and came to the same conclusion he did..Iwantdick is totally wrong and he just doesn't admit it hence his idiotic rantings
No need to refer to me as Iwantdick, that is your thing. It would take any sane person about 3 minutes of reading your cock worship on the random sex thread to acknowledge that. I understand you are in the closet because your people aren't accepting of the homosexual culture and would disown you, maybe even say soemthing like "ah that guy on the down low, he got Dat dick sickness, he a full blooded punk". I say you embrace your homosexuality, maybe even find a nice crosseyed white man like vissy, and it will ease your hatred of whites. Hell, you can even find a white fella with one of those big ol' dicks you worship on the sex thread nonstop
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No need to refer to me as Iwantdick, that is your thing. It would take any sane person about 3 minutes of reading your cock worship on the random sex thread to acknowledge that. I understand you are in the closet because your people aren't accepting of the homosexual culture and would disown you, maybe even say soemthing like "ah that guy on the down low, he got Dat dick sickness, he a full blooded punk". I say you embrace your homosexuality, maybe even find a nice crosseyed white man like vissy, and it will ease your hatred of whites. Hell, you can even find a white fella with one of those big ol' dicks you worship on the sex thread nonstop
PLEASE RESPECT AND ADHERE TO MY 2000 POST RULE....THANK YOU
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PLEASE RESPECT AND ADHERE TO MY 2000 POST RULE....THANK YOU
Most of your posts come from dick worship. It will take me a bit longer to get there than it did you
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Most of your posts come from dick worship. It will take me a bit longer to get there than it did you
He has "joked" several times on the board about raping male posters:
Im gonna bang you after you pass out, idiot 8)
when I'm done with you, you'll swing that way....the BBC has a habit of being very convincing
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He has "joked" several times on the board about raping male posters:
It isn't a joke. He is very pro-black and knows he would be disowned if he came out of the closet. Thus, he frequents the sex threads and comments on every single dick and what he would do if he had it in him
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I can play this game all day. I made you start a meltdown thread last time, and this time I've made you resort to telling people to shut up because you can't win a debate. I call that winning
;D
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He has "joked" several times on the board about raping male posters:
Sigh..you're still totally butthurt over my continued destroyings of you so you try to take quotes I've said to others out of context to prove some retarded gay point of yours....you are really stooping to a brand new low
also aligning yourself with an idiot like Iwantdick does not help your credibility.
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Most of your posts come from dick worship. It will take me a bit longer to get there than it did you
PLEASE RESPECT AND ADHERE TO MY 2000 POST RULE 8)
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It's funny when retards on the right talk about "real unemployment", it's never when a Republican is in office. They also never mention how those numbers often include recent retiree's.
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It's funny when retards on the right talk about "real unemployment", it's never when a Republican is in office. They also never mention how those numbers often include recent retiree's.
Agreed..and that's always been my point,,,,when unemployment was at 10%, the idiots on the right did not question the numbers AT ALL...they just heaped criticism on Obama..now that the numbers favor him, they claim Obama cooks the numbers an the numbers are fake....and the scary thing is that they do not even recognize their own HYPOCRISY
AMAZING
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We never had 10% on the "right" we had a housing bubble caused by idiot wall street bankers giving even bigger idiot minorities loans they could not afford. Then we got Obame who crushed small businesses with his Obamacare bullshit and then he played golf.....what are your questions.
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We never had 10% on the "right" we had a housing bubble caused by idiot wall street bankers giving even bigger idiot minorities loans they could not afford. Then we got Obame who crushed small businesses with his Obamacare bullshit and then he played golf.....what are your questions.
sigh....unfortunately you're so predictable......blaming minorities is always your fallback......there were a whole lot of whites who lost their houses due to getting loans "they could not afford"...(Las Vegas was the epicenter of the housing bust...HOW MANY MINORITIES LIVE THERE??????????)
Also since you mentioned Wall St. I HOPE you will give Obama credit for cleaning up Wall St. and imposing restrictions and re-regulation g the banks which stemmed the tide of housing bust
Further, according to Fareed Zakaria of CNN, Wall St. income has compounded 14% PER YEAR FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS under Obama...an amazing run...bigger than at any time in history
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yeah...Acorn and all the rest of the shit under Clinton...housing redevelopment act etc. Yup plenty of whites did as well sure....but a lot of loans were forced down the throats of the banks and I suspect they figured they could just do it to anybody as long as the feds were forcing them to make loans to people they knew could never pay it back. Obama hasn't cleaned up shit...they're all back doing the same thing. If you think things are good here...well since I'm sure your not prepared for anything bad to really happen as you voted for and put faith in a half black anti-American commie...don't whine when you and your lib shitbags are out in the cold. I can't imagine voting for or against somebody based on race but you idiots do it all the time.
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and let me guess..your giddy about voting for the wife of a serial rapist?
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yeah...Acorn and all the rest of the shit under Clinton...housing redevelopment act etc. Yup plenty of whites did as well sure....but a lot of loans were forced down the throats of the banks and I suspect they figured they could just do it to anybody as long as the feds were forcing them to make loans to people they knew could never pay it back. Obama hasn't cleaned up shit...they're all back doing the same thing. If you think things are good here...well since I'm sure your not prepared for anything bad to really happen as you voted for and put faith in a half black anti-American commie...don't whine when you and your lib shitbags are out in the cold. I can't imagine voting for or against somebody based on race but you idiots do it all the time.
you always reveal yourself.....you can't help it...Thanks again for proving what I say about you is true
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that I'm racist.....yeah I'm racist. I hate you libs with an undying passion. As for everybody else...ain't go no issues man. I think you fucks forget that the military is about the only truly unsegregated thing that works in this country.
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that I'm racist.....yeah I'm racist. I hate you libs with an undying passion. As for everybody else...ain't go no issues man. I think you fucks forget that the military is about the only truly unsegregated thing that works in this country.
I doubt that any soldiers would want to be in a foxhole with you if they knew your TRUE views
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Yup..your right..almost 25 years in the military...commanding all colors and creeds...but I'm racist and hid it all these years. I'm sorry that you can't see beyond color there guy...you voted for a man because of the color of his skin...he sucks..you can't get past that...and you have nowhere to run. Next you will vote solely on gender...and that will suck as well. You libs have a sick fascination with trivial qualifications instead of experience and actual ability.
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Yup..your right..almost 25 years in the military...commanding all colors and creeds...but I'm racist and hid it all these years. I'm sorry that you can't see beyond color there guy...you voted for a man because of the color of his skin...he sucks..you can't get past that...and you have nowhere to run. Next you will vote solely on gender...and that will suck as well. You libs have a sick fascination with trivial qualifications instead of experience and actual ability.
you're mentally ill, Headsucker......everythi ng in your mind is libs this and libs that......you use racist language all the time and then say that I'm racist......you say Obama sucks and then when I show you stats and evidence to the contrary you still continue on your rants.....
you need to see a psych
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jobless claims are not at 42 low
if anything higher than ever
take in to account most jobs are government jobs aka simple welfare non producing job, and anti white at that
and you have insane real unemployment hidden by government
21T debt :) up from 8T obama 13t T!!! obama 13T debt and shit economy and massive new welfare costs coming on line!!!
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jobless claims are not at 42 low
if anything higher than ever
take in to account most jobs are government jobs aka simple welfare non producing job, and anti white at that
and you have insane real unemployment hidden by government
21T debt :) up from 8T obama 13t T!!! obama 13T debt and shit economy and massive new welfare costs coming on line!!!
Read the article.....your word means nothing...and what the fuck is an anti=white job???..you guys can't help being racist
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and let me guess..your giddy about voting for the wife of a serial rapist?
Most of clintons mistresses were all to happy to blow a married man on the down low.
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Most of clintons mistresses were all to happy to blow a married man on the down low.
you beat me to it....how is Bubba a rapist???????..where does that come from????...oh right...its just another example of angry conservatives overreaching with their rhetoric AGAIN
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In staggering turnaround for U.S. auto industry, car sales hit record high in 2015
The news that 17.5 million cars and trucks were sold last year has been hailed as a victory for Obama, who hammered out an $80 billion agreement to bailout GM and Chrysler in 2009.
By Drew Harwell and Steven Mufson
Drivers in the United States bought more cars last year than ever before, a staggering turnaround for an auto industry fighting for its life half a decade ago, as low gas prices and a strengthening economy marked a banner year on American roads.
About 17.5 million cars and trucks were sold last year, automakers said Tuesday, overtaking the 17.3 million sales in 2000 and far outpacing the 10.4 million sales in 2009, when taxpayers paid billions to bail out the bedrock of America’s automotive might.
Car buyers last year were energized by several economic sparks: the improving wages and confidence of a more robust job market; easy credit and cheap gas; and the pent-up demand of a driving public whose cars, on average, are more than 11 years old.
And the explosive results could prove more than a blip, with some analysts projecting that a strong economy could yield another car-lot record in 2016. Last year’s estimated $437 billion in car sales capped a six-year growth streak, the industry’s first since World War II.
The record-setting year has squashed recession-era worries that the industry would never recover and given fuel to the Obama administration’s argument that the auto bailout helped carmakers survive.
But because so much of buyers’ money went toward larger, gas-gulping trucks and SUVs, the sales boom also conflicts with another administration campaign, designed to encourage more efficient engines and less use of gasoline.
It was also a year in which trust in car companies was severely tested by headline-grabbing scandals, including Volkswagen’s cheating on engine-emissions tests, and devastating defects, such as the Takata air-bag flaw now tied to eight American deaths and the largest auto recall in history.
For Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, whose brands include Jeep and Dodge, U.S. sales rose 7 percent last year, giving the automaker its best year in a decade, the company said. The other automakers in Detroit’s “Big Three,” Ford and General Motors, reported 5 percent gains in sales.
“It’s truly remarkable that the auto industry is finishing off its best year ever just six years after the depths of the Great Recession,” said Jessica Caldwell, the director of industry analysis for Edmunds.com.
Buyers nationwide were boosted by gas prices that dropped by year’s end to an average of $2.03 a gallon, down 28 cents from the same time in 2014, and the cheapest since the recession. The trade group AAA predicts that gas prices this year will remain low, averaging about $2.25 a gallon, 15 cents cheaper than last year.
Cheap gas and an improving housing market pushed contractors and other drivers to buy larger trucks and SUVs: The Big Three sold more than 2 million full-size pickups last year, more than double their sales in 2009.
Sales of slimmer passenger cars fell 2 percent last year compared with 2014, while sales of light trucks and SUVs soared 13 percent, estimates from industry researcher Autodata show. A familiar name remained king: The Ford F-150 pickup truck was America’s best-selling vehicle for the 34th year in a row.
Analysts said buyers’ long delay since their most recent purchase of a new car finally drove some to make a deal, particularly as widely available cut-rate credit deals helped many secure easy financing. Auto lenders have used low interest rates and longer payback terms to shrink buyers’ monthly costs, even if it means many drivers will still be paying off a new car when it is seven years old.
For drivers upgrading after a long spell with an older car, analysts said, the technological upgrades — from better gas mileage to backup cameras — can seem too compelling to pass up.
“Cars on the roads today are the oldest they’ve ever been . . . and if people are employed, they feel more comfortable taking on loans for a car,” said Michelle Krebs, a senior analyst at AutoTrader.com. Drivers care about “technology features even more than they care about the color of the car, and they’re willing to pay for them.”
The sales record has been hailed as a victory for President Obama, who hammered out an $80 billion bailout agreement that rescued GM and Chrysler at the depths of the financial crisis in early 2009. A year ago, the president told workers at a Ford plant in Wayne, Mich., that “betting on you was the right thing to do. . . . And that bet has paid off for America because the American auto industry is back.”
Said Brandi Hoffine, a White House assistant press secretary: “The continued strength of the American auto industry would not have been possible without the grit of American workers who persevered through tough times and the bold steps the president took to rescue the auto industry from the brink. It’s clear the president’s strategy worked.”
But some auto experts worry that part of Obama’s achievement is in danger. The bailout package coincided with a separate agreement between the administration and industry executives to increase passenger-vehicle fuel efficiency to an average of 54.5 miles a gallon by 2025. Yet, the average fuel efficiency of new vehicles sold declined in 2015, to 25 miles a gallon, and U.S. consumption of gasoline rose 3 percent in 2015.
“The good news is that the bailout of the auto industry saved their industry, saved their tailpipe,” said Dan Becker, founder and director of the Safe Climate Campaign. “The bad news is it’s resulting in more gas-guzzling trucks, pickups, SUVs and vans that pollute the atmosphere and which will eventually drive gas prices back up again.”
U.S. automakers, Becker said, are using less-advanced technology than their European and Asian competitors, who make more fuel-efficient vehicles.
“The industry is making the same set of mistakes it made before,” he added. “Poorly competing against foreign competition and becoming dependent on sales of gas-guzzlers and hoping that gas prices stay low — which they won’t forever.”
But others, such as Public Citizen president emeritus Joan Claybrook, say Obama is doing everything he can. “Obama has absolutely taken the lead in pressing for fuel economy,” Claybrook said. “He is the driving force.”
The sales records last year were particularly remarkable, analysts said, because the industry seemed to bounce from one crisis of confidence to the next.
Volkswagen, one of the world’s largest automakers, admitted in September to installing “defeat devices” that could trick emissions tests in several of its more popular diesel-powered models.
The Justice Department on Monday filed a civil lawsuit against the German automaker, saying the devices were installed in about 600,000 cars in the United States. Justice Department officials added that “recall discussions with the company have not produced an acceptable way forward.”
More than 19 million Fords, Hondas and other vehicles have been recalled after air bags from Takata, the Japanese auto-supply giant, were found to explode and spray shrapnel, a defect tied to a rash of gruesome deaths and more than 100 injuries.
Federal regulators imposed a $70 million fine on Takata in November, although the nationwide recall is ongoing and millions more cars could be affected. By last month, only about one-quarter of the recalled driver- and passenger-side air bags had been replaced, regulators said.
Claybrook said the recalls showed that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration — especially under its new director, Mark Rosekind — was getting tough in enforcing regulations.
“The thing that’s going to sell cars is if laws are tough and being enforced and so that consumers don’t have to take it as their own responsibility,” Claybrook said. “People like a free-market system that’s trustworthy. And the auto industry was losing the public trust.”
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you beat me to it....how is Bubba a rapist???????..where does that come from????...oh right...its just another example of angry conservatives overreaching with their rhetoric AGAIN
half of today's "conservatives" were living sin lifestyles and voting Clinton back then.
it's easier for them to call him a rapist than to admit they were part of bringing him to power.
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In staggering turnaround for U.S. auto industry, car sales hit record high in 2015
The news that 17.5 million cars and trucks were sold last year has been hailed as a victory for Obama, who hammered out an $80 billion agreement to bailout GM and Chrysler in 2009.
By Drew Harwell and Steven Mufson
Drivers in the United States bought more cars last year than ever before, a staggering turnaround for an auto industry fighting for its life half a decade ago, as low gas prices and a strengthening economy marked a banner year on American roads.
About 17.5 million cars and trucks were sold last year, automakers said Tuesday, overtaking the 17.3 million sales in 2000 and far outpacing the 10.4 million sales in 2009, when taxpayers paid billions to bail out the bedrock of America’s automotive might.
Car buyers last year were energized by several economic sparks: the improving wages and confidence of a more robust job market; easy credit and cheap gas; and the pent-up demand of a driving public whose cars, on average, are more than 11 years old.
And the explosive results could prove more than a blip, with some analysts projecting that a strong economy could yield another car-lot record in 2016. Last year’s estimated $437 billion in car sales capped a six-year growth streak, the industry’s first since World War II.
The record-setting year has squashed recession-era worries that the industry would never recover and given fuel to the Obama administration’s argument that the auto bailout helped carmakers survive.
But because so much of buyers’ money went toward larger, gas-gulping trucks and SUVs, the sales boom also conflicts with another administration campaign, designed to encourage more efficient engines and less use of gasoline.
It was also a year in which trust in car companies was severely tested by headline-grabbing scandals, including Volkswagen’s cheating on engine-emissions tests, and devastating defects, such as the Takata air-bag flaw now tied to eight American deaths and the largest auto recall in history.
For Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, whose brands include Jeep and Dodge, U.S. sales rose 7 percent last year, giving the automaker its best year in a decade, the company said. The other automakers in Detroit’s “Big Three,” Ford and General Motors, reported 5 percent gains in sales.
“It’s truly remarkable that the auto industry is finishing off its best year ever just six years after the depths of the Great Recession,” said Jessica Caldwell, the director of industry analysis for Edmunds.com.
Buyers nationwide were boosted by gas prices that dropped by year’s end to an average of $2.03 a gallon, down 28 cents from the same time in 2014, and the cheapest since the recession. The trade group AAA predicts that gas prices this year will remain low, averaging about $2.25 a gallon, 15 cents cheaper than last year.
Cheap gas and an improving housing market pushed contractors and other drivers to buy larger trucks and SUVs: The Big Three sold more than 2 million full-size pickups last year, more than double their sales in 2009.
Sales of slimmer passenger cars fell 2 percent last year compared with 2014, while sales of light trucks and SUVs soared 13 percent, estimates from industry researcher Autodata show. A familiar name remained king: The Ford F-150 pickup truck was America’s best-selling vehicle for the 34th year in a row.
Analysts said buyers’ long delay since their most recent purchase of a new car finally drove some to make a deal, particularly as widely available cut-rate credit deals helped many secure easy financing. Auto lenders have used low interest rates and longer payback terms to shrink buyers’ monthly costs, even if it means many drivers will still be paying off a new car when it is seven years old.
For drivers upgrading after a long spell with an older car, analysts said, the technological upgrades — from better gas mileage to backup cameras — can seem too compelling to pass up.
“Cars on the roads today are the oldest they’ve ever been . . . and if people are employed, they feel more comfortable taking on loans for a car,” said Michelle Krebs, a senior analyst at AutoTrader.com. Drivers care about “technology features even more than they care about the color of the car, and they’re willing to pay for them.”
The sales record has been hailed as a victory for President Obama, who hammered out an $80 billion bailout agreement that rescued GM and Chrysler at the depths of the financial crisis in early 2009. A year ago, the president told workers at a Ford plant in Wayne, Mich., that “betting on you was the right thing to do. . . . And that bet has paid off for America because the American auto industry is back.”
Said Brandi Hoffine, a White House assistant press secretary: “The continued strength of the American auto industry would not have been possible without the grit of American workers who persevered through tough times and the bold steps the president took to rescue the auto industry from the brink. It’s clear the president’s strategy worked.”
But some auto experts worry that part of Obama’s achievement is in danger. The bailout package coincided with a separate agreement between the administration and industry executives to increase passenger-vehicle fuel efficiency to an average of 54.5 miles a gallon by 2025. Yet, the average fuel efficiency of new vehicles sold declined in 2015, to 25 miles a gallon, and U.S. consumption of gasoline rose 3 percent in 2015.
“The good news is that the bailout of the auto industry saved their industry, saved their tailpipe,” said Dan Becker, founder and director of the Safe Climate Campaign. “The bad news is it’s resulting in more gas-guzzling trucks, pickups, SUVs and vans that pollute the atmosphere and which will eventually drive gas prices back up again.”
U.S. automakers, Becker said, are using less-advanced technology than their European and Asian competitors, who make more fuel-efficient vehicles.
“The industry is making the same set of mistakes it made before,” he added. “Poorly competing against foreign competition and becoming dependent on sales of gas-guzzlers and hoping that gas prices stay low — which they won’t forever.”
But others, such as Public Citizen president emeritus Joan Claybrook, say Obama is doing everything he can. “Obama has absolutely taken the lead in pressing for fuel economy,” Claybrook said. “He is the driving force.”
The sales records last year were particularly remarkable, analysts said, because the industry seemed to bounce from one crisis of confidence to the next.
Volkswagen, one of the world’s largest automakers, admitted in September to installing “defeat devices” that could trick emissions tests in several of its more popular diesel-powered models.
The Justice Department on Monday filed a civil lawsuit against the German automaker, saying the devices were installed in about 600,000 cars in the United States. Justice Department officials added that “recall discussions with the company have not produced an acceptable way forward.”
More than 19 million Fords, Hondas and other vehicles have been recalled after air bags from Takata, the Japanese auto-supply giant, were found to explode and spray shrapnel, a defect tied to a rash of gruesome deaths and more than 100 injuries.
Federal regulators imposed a $70 million fine on Takata in November, although the nationwide recall is ongoing and millions more cars could be affected. By last month, only about one-quarter of the recalled driver- and passenger-side air bags had been replaced, regulators said.
Claybrook said the recalls showed that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration — especially under its new director, Mark Rosekind — was getting tough in enforcing regulations.
“The thing that’s going to sell cars is if laws are tough and being enforced and so that consumers don’t have to take it as their own responsibility,” Claybrook said. “People like a free-market system that’s trustworthy. And the auto industry was losing the public trust.”
and I WONDER JUST WHO SHOULD GET CREDIT FOR THIS ABOVE????????????...just WHO WAS THAT GUY that saved the auto industry back in 2009?????......trying to remember ihis name.....I know his initials are B and O.................. 8)